This is definitely a debatable discussion. I don't believe owning a bike with a lot of tech classifies someone as a poor/unskillful rider. Tons of seasoned riders buy newer bikes with these features and turn them off. The way I see it, it's good to have options. What I recommend anyone starting out is - learn the very basic, then develop a very good understanding of the do's and dont's.
How the hell is this debatable.Its baffling to me.They take nothing away from your riding expierience while providing you with safety.How can you say no to that?So you can feel a bit more manly?Is that it again?You think any chick in the world is gonna drop her panties down because you're riding with no ABS or traction controll?.Its laughable that you put your life up on the line for cheap thrills with minimal to no returns.Europe made ABS mandatory on every bike sold after 2017 because they estimate it will reduce accidents at up to a 1/3rd and i hope they do it with every single rider aid out there
I started riding at 23. I'm now 46. No rider aids on those bikes back then. I have a 2016 Ninja 1000 now and I like the rider aids. I ride a hell of a lot safer now than I used to on those old bikes. When I want to mess about I turn them off, but I mostly ride with them on at their lowest settings. I can ride fairly well, but everyone thinks they can ride fantastically. Everyone is a street rossi until they find out the truth by sliding down the road (I've learnt my lesson a couple of times). I think anything that helps you not put the bike down is a plus. Anything that keeps us alive and on two wheels is a positive thing. Just a couple of cents from an old fart! :) Ride safe Night Rider! ;)
Ninja Life Crisis true man .. everyone thinks they are street Rossi .. a 200 bhp bike has been deemed unsafe for streets by Moro gp riders themselves... I don't get these ppl who think they know a lot about bikes... taking a test ride here and there is different and owning Owning one is very different .. it starts with electronic aids are for a kids, then goes to helmet is worn by pussies,.. technically u shouldn't even wear a helmet then.. cause if u boast about being such a SKILLED RIDER u shouldn't be worrried at all then...
"Rider aids are there to help you not mess up" is an interesting way of saying "Rider aids are there to help you not kill yourself, kill someone else, end up a quadraplegic, or a vegetable"
I can admit this is why I bought the R1s and went from a 300 to a liter, felt more comfortable knowing I can build my confidence with the rider aids and then like you said turn down slowly and eventually off.
I personally think rider aids are a good thing. Cars have them too. I'd use them if my bike had them, just in case I hit oil in a curve or I have a tire blow out...you never know what could happen...and those aids could potentially be the difference between eating shit and staying up...skill level is key, but a little extra help when needed could never be a bad thing. I do get your point though. I think they can instill too much confidence, and that's disaster waiting to strike. If a guy wants a 1000cc super sport, but will only buy one IF it has those aids....that's a no no. Besides, what if the aids fail? If you can't handle a certain bike riding the way you normally would without the aids, you don't belong on that bike WITH the aids!
Yeah, you could be taking the same corner for years perfectly but then the time off you take from that corner an accident could have be spilt and you end up crashing. It's better as you can keep WOTing every corner w/o fear of spinning the rear while leaning.
I agree totally. These are designed to help avoid crashes. Even the best rider can get into trouble. If I had traction control on my Firebird I probably wouldn't have crashed. When the tires break traction you now have lost control and you are going for a ride at that point. I would rather a bike with traction control than not have it.
I'm 57, over a million miles on many bikes, 20 yrs of racing, racing in rain, street riding in rain, without electronic rider aids. If you watch one of the new Panigale S V4 reviews, you'll see the Ducati test rider turn everything off and back the bike into a turn. There are already people removing the ABS on the 2017 GSXR1000R because the ABS cannot be fine tuned and is worse, than your ABS being in your own hand. And TC is in your wrist. As far as Moto GP riders using them, they have them practically turn off or down so low, they're hardly on.
Interesting!! With what I ride, such things are non-issues. I have never ridden a 1000, so I admit my inability, but if I got one, I'd want a non-electronic version--or at least The ability to turn that off so I could learn what the bike was truly capable of and develop the skills needed to control that.
Maikeli7: Motovlogger Since 2007 The difference between an Ultra Classic and a 1000cc is EXTREME. Basically you can hit almost 80mph in first gear,100 in second,150 in third.At first ride it will seem impossible to tame or ride safely but it is.They can be ridden as slow and safe as a scooter.But it takes much skill to ride one well.
If I owned a 1000 REPSOL, I am sure I would get myself into trouble. I'd be too tempted not to speed. If I lived where there were a track nearby for superbike-style riding, I'd go there religiously, but around these parts, I don't think there are any. I'd never want to do extreme riding on regular roads for fear of hurting other people and myself.
I'm anti rider aids because I'm an engineer and I trust a cable over a servo. Throttle by wire, traction control, and launch control all rely on sensor/actuator loops that have multiple points of failure. Also I do a lot of my own wrenching. It is much easier to troubleshoot and repair systems with fewer points of failure. A throttle cable is either broke or it ain't. The addition of all the electronics also increases the dependency on the dealership for troubleshooting and repairs. And like you said, rider aids are NOT Jesus. No amount of fancy electronics is going to save you from the responsibility of learning to properly ride whatever bike you decide to get on.
A year late, but w/e, Imma call you out. I put 30k on my bike a year. I'm switching to a bike with abs and traction control by the end of next year. Rider aids aren't there for a clear dry day on good pavement. Good rider don't mean shit if you hit oil in a corner in the rain. Put on some miles in bad weather and then come back and tell us how much you don't want or need something to help keep you alive.
Gary Duncan I ride constantly in the rain with no TC and still haven't been down lol. And rider aids are for wet and dry conditions.....th-cam.com/video/C3YQ-a2iA2g/w-d-xo.html
I agree with you completely. Riders bashed me for getting my 2016 FZ 07 as a first bike, because the bike didn't have rider aids. I didn't want my first bike to handicap me with learning and developing my skills as a roder
Ya, Moto GP riders use them because they increase tire life and optimize fuel efficiency. Power modes are a nice feature to have if you want to skip buying a smaller bike as your first bike, even if you just use the lower power modes for the first couple of weeks of riding. But, I prefer the feel of the bike without the rider aids. Like wheelie control is a pretty dumb one, imo. Having said that, in the rain, I'll turn the traction control on, or at least choose a lower power mode, since, in the rain, I'm not trying to go anywhere fast, anyways.
I do agree to a point, I have a bike with abs and i hate it lol But my problem with this is that I/you could be the best rider in the world but the little old lady that somehow still has a license wont see you me all the same, I think the problem is the unpredictability of other people some people just shouldn't be on the roads... If I crash its my fault, But is someone hits me in an accident that (somehow could have been avoided by these rider aids) then I say why not... Going for a ride and somebody didn't cover there load properly some dirt fell off around a bend....... you see my point its just to unpredictable and a RISK WE take every day...
Agreed 100%. If the power of a liter bike scares you because you don't know how to respect it, you don't need to be riding. If you can't learn what throttle control is without electronics helping you, you don't need to be riding. If you never rode a motorcycle before and you buy a liter for your first bike, you're a moron and chances are you're gonna get hurt either way because the electronics won't help. Most new riders can't even handle a 600 properly let alone a 1000 because they don't understand the power to weight ratio. If that offends anyone, you're the exact type of person NR was talking about in this video.
Having ridden Harley's hard and then moving onto the MT-10 Yamaha I choose this bike because it only has 3 traction control and 3 power modes. Unlocked with a custom map it does 260 klms in 6th, very fast. I worked my way through the modes to now just turning them off. I still leave the least traction on because it wheelies very easily in 3 to 4 gears now. I also use the Standard mode when my daughter wants to ride with me. it's just a cruiser then and she feels comfortable and safe. If I do a early mountain run and just have have a cup of coffee. after the run I'm sick from all the G-force. Adrenaline, coffee and a very fast bike. Adds help hone your skills or you could just get a Harley, add a performance kit and beat most rider's on Sports bike. Learn to ride whatever bike you have. edge to edge and hang off even a Harley. I miss drifting on the Harley's. The Fatboy was the best.
They arent.More close to getting good bike tires.And how many people still get stuck in the snow because they suck at driving.The tires will only do so much.Rider aids wil only help so much.But depending on them will stunt your skill and give you a false sense of confidence.Make no mistake guys still crash
Night Rider It is analogous. Tires are a form of technology. They have improved much over the years. Accepting that improvement doesn't make one less skillful in itself. Same goes for other kinds of technology to improve safety like rider aides. Anyway, you don't want to ride with aides, that's cool. I don't ride with aides either. But if someone prefers to have them, that's cool too.
I agree to each his own.I just stating the obvious reason of their sudden demand.Simply put for example a rider who NEEDS them is less skilled than one who doesn't.
I dont want Biker Aids. But i do like a GPS. But when it comes to motorcycle safety aids, I dont need them, and dont want them, That stuff is for noob riders.
I do not have rider aids, but would gladly have a bike wih rider aids if the insurance industry thought they were safer and decreased insurance rates for supersports as a result. Cheaper insurance is the only advantage I see for me.
I agree with you. I have a 1992 ZX7 with a ZX9R engine, which means my bike has carbs...all rider control no aids. I may add a drag shifter just to keep up with newer bikes but that's the only aid I want. I feel that riding that helps me ride anything. The only reason I see the need for any rider aid is to help someone get used to a new bike up to the point they don't need it anymore. After that cut them off or disable them and learn to be a better rider.
I don't know if you watch bike reviews. But I think it's funny when professional testers get a bike with rider aids. And their first question is. Well can I turn it off?
I had a 2012 Busa and I loved every minute on it, but I'm a average rider at best. What save my skin was my respect for the bike and my limits. You have to know your limits and then grow with the bike. I would use the rider aids and I also see your point. Ride safe Night Rider.
I think some rider aids are good, abs is proven to be better and traction control can be helpful. But power modes and variable power shit, that's trash. Great topic.
2CLUTCH The real doesn't always provide you with optimal riding scenarios. When I've worked 15 hours and just want to get home intact, or it starts raining, it'd be nice to not have to worry as much about managing power. Having the option provides literally no downsides.
+Rev That Shit that true! Like having a sports car with modes. When I just wanna go home in one piece knowing the human error of being sleep or otherwise give me safety nets.
Rev That Shit It stunts your skills and makes u reliant on the bike.Riding in the rain isnt that hard.Just have good tires and take your time.Having learnedto ride my Hayabusa in all conditions in full power allows me to pretty much ride anything.
I strong agree..... I have a 2010 zx14 and it has no aids. its raw bike. and I love it. nothing in my way to reset when I upgrade and it makes me the rider increase my skill
+TY'S TAKES Yup.Unfortunately a lot of these new riders dont understand is that these aids only help so much.One day they will be curious to unleash their bike and it will bite them because they were too reliant on handicaps
GotDave? Yeah you see all the guys at the snake killing it with ZERO rider aids all day.Its funny to me how people act like they are an essential feature lol!
Exactly! Its funny, your thumbnail is the new R1 dash, & it reminded me of the first time I saw a dude with one of those brand new R1's crashed out in a turn up there & thought to myself, "I didn't think that could happen!"
You're exactly right! ...the salesmen feed that shit info to the noobs to sell bikes, then the fool goes out thinking the bike is crash-proof & balls it up!
I'm out riding having fun on my Fireblade not worrying about comparing myself with the latest shootout or rider aids. If your having a good time that's all you need is some good old fashion fun and that is something that will never be out dated.
The only thing I wanted my ZX-14 to have is ABS, if it had that, My brakes wouldn't have locked up I wouldn't have had my accident which eventually led me to having to sell it.
If you know how to operate the braking system on a motorcycle you don't need ABS. If you're inexperienced or lack the skill to operate a motorcycle with efficiency then yes I agree, ABS is needed because they will stop a newb faster than foolishly slamming on the breaks on a non-abs bike.
I've been down in ABS for a long time, but only because of everything I've researched and read about the systems in use. They interfere, interrupt, take away feel and control of a situation. Well, that's changing. As precise and accurate as traction control has been on high-end bikes now, even so far as allowing tail-out drifting on a track without hi/low sides, the ABS is starting to get as intelligent working through the front wheel. What TC has been in the back end, ABS is getting on the front end. That's a good thing, because it allows control at the limit without obnoxious interference and pulsation. But it's required IMU and other gizmos to give the system enough feedback about what's going on. Bottom line is all this stuff costs money for R&D, electronics, programming algorithms, and adds complexity that may, or may not increase breakdowns. Do we want that as a community? Well, things are going that way whether we like it or not. :\ What I fear more than anything, is that soon the motorcycling community will forget what many people got into riding for in the first place: having FUN. It's a sand-kicking war in a lot of ways.
Bowen Leigh lol.. imagine u driving at 80 kmph on street and dog all of a sudden cuts ur path..or u on a highway at 120kmph and some jerk in a car decides to cross paths .. and many more .. ABS is only and only to prevent wheel lock ups in emergency breaking.. I m not saying it's a boon.. even I switch my bikes ABS off on track days.. but for streets these days .. it's goood to know that it's there...
I would like to point out that almost all of the developmental work around rider aids has occurred in motogp, from the original simple wheel-speed based systems to the most advanced 6 axis IMU systems for slide control. Because they can also make you far faster. Rider aids are going to make an inexperienced rider safer and allow an experienced rider to come closer to skirting the edge of traction than human reflexes allow, you may not like it but given two people of equal skill, the one with rider aids is going to be faster.
From working at dealerships the only people that care about rider aids are overly cautious people. But there are alot more squids that don't care about them that ride out and wreck shortly after.
I ride a 99 transalp 600v. It's a bare bones 48hp trail bike. Of course I look with desire to the big sport 1000cc bikes. But the truth is I rarely use even the full power of my transalp on the street. And even so I'm often the faster vehicle on the road I'm in and I find myself always riding at illegal speeds! So what is the point in buying a bike with nearly 200hp and a bunch of electronics to make it easier to ride???
You're absolutely right when it comes to people who know how to ride turn off their rider aids. I have traction control on my bike but I only turn it ON when it's raining. You didn't mention that rider aids take a lot of fun out of the motorcycles.
I used to ride cruisers, know I ride a Kawasaki ninja 1000 with abs. Don't notice the abs cause I can handle the bike. I'm 42 and know what to do. I agree with you! 100 percent!
Interesting perspective night. I actually like rider aids. See I started on a 300 (balance) moved to a 750 (taught me about TC) then a 1000 (TAUGHT ME Wheelie control/throttle control/braking distance lol) but I went back down to a 650 to learn actual handling characteristics. When I started I was scared of big bikes mainly because I know myself. Even now I have a good amount of skill to operate my 650 at a high 90% I wish I had rider aids to hold that our 10 while I push through my barriers where mistakes get magnified. My next liter will be tracked and I know I don't have the skill off hand but it can be learned in a matter of summer commuting and track days. On a liter I consider riding aids because I been doing on one pushing with no safety net. I would like to learn with a safety net then turn it off. Then push my limits with the safety on until I'm comfortable with how the bike reacts. It beats another 10k totalled bike and 12k hospital bill.
Eh.. I do that on the 109 since it doesn't have any. That said, I hate riding the 109 in the rain. Tire slips out a lot easier. Can ride full throttle on the S1000 with TC on.
The Dunlop E3s are meh. I run a 250 Avon Cobra rear and Avon Viper on front. The 109 just isn't an easy bike to ride in the rain. That Dunlop is gonna be your worst nightmare, lol. It performs great on the highway, but it eventually flattens out and makes that rear push against you in a turn.
true, that H2 looks like its a ton of fun to ride, personally id be scared of wheelies because i'm new to riding but i agree if you cant ride without aids you cant ride. but they can make life easier for those who can.
In my opinion and I think you're right that the writer aids are for people who don't know how to ride it as well as possibly you or someone else I am getting ready to purchase a R 1 AM although I do ride a 1000 at this time FZ 1000 nothing like a R 1 AM I think for me the right aids will help me become a better safer rider that's just my Pinyan but I love your blogs thanks for sharing
You are absolutely right. And why start with big superbikes "small dicks?", start smaller, then gradually develop your skills. Then switching to high performance suberbike should not be so terrifying. I'll trust my own skills and bikes abilities when there is now electric gizmo to "help". I started again riding 2011, and started with slow as hell 500cc Royal Enfield. Now I also have Honda SevenFifty from 99. And I am fine that is old bike. If you crash it. I won't be expensive to repair and your learn riding skills again. No I am trusting this machine and I can take it to near to it's limits and be alive to tell next day. Now to changing to >100hp suberbikes is not a big deal. And I'll buy well maintained older bike without any driver aids. Because you should have to have real skills to ride those machines.
Not really any different than putting all that same tech on cars. The reality that many don't want to face is the fact that a computer is vastly superior to a human when operating machinery. Lots of cars come with driving aids like traction control or ABS and motorists are a lot safer because of it. Kind of the same thing with motorcycles. I can ride without ABS, traction control, wheelie control, electronic suspension and a quick shifter, but if the bike comes with it I'm not going to turn it all off or not use it so that I can go around thinking my skills are on par with a MotoGP rider... because they're not.
John Garner Its VERY different. 90% Of motorist are complete morons who cant chew bubble gum and walk at the same time.Nor are they driving for recreation or sport.Motorcycling is a completely different culture.The challenge of riding is part of the exhilaration.
I think it is more a government or insurance thing I had my fun on the sport bikes .. but now Ride a big harley .. and I hate that they have ABS etc .. Hell I am old school haha Take Care Got a sub . ( disagree with buy a sport bike video first .. haha Can't always agree with ya . )
What's good enough for Rossi is good enough for me! Lol. I sold my CBR1000 for 1199 and love the Ducati (aids and all) been riding for 10 years. If you want a ancient bike you should get a cafe racer or something. Times are changing, but I agree Launch control is gonna kill the drag racing scene
Night Rider true, I'm just excited to have something new and even if the aids are for noobs it's cool to have something to use the tach for. I mean you have to admit the tachometer on these new bikes are way cooler, though you shouldn't be dependent on aids to save your ass. I guess I'm just reinforcing what you said about getting a new bikes. (I only have road the 1199 100 miles since purchase) so I will update again later.
I think rider aids for beginners are actually a hindrance more than a help. Makes it so they become reliant on a computer to keep them upright. BUT, if I challenge you to a race, nightrider, I might have to throw on that launch control in attempt to get ahead of that BUSA lol
Yea I said the exact same thing an boy did I get alot of shity remarks. lol The truth really does hurt, or should I say the truth pisses people off? haha. LOVE this video! You dislikers need that finger snapped off cause ya know everything KR said is true! Keep on bringing it brother love the straight talk. PEACE!
Patrick Hatrick Thanks lol.Let them dislike all they want i dont care.They riding around with training wheels thinking they can ride lol.They are great to learn then wean off.
A couple of months ago, I watched a moto-vlogger test out a new 'busa. He pushed a button to put it into an "economy mode" (I think that's what he called it), but as he rode it, he seemed a bit, un-impressed. Then he put it into a "sport" mode and as he pulled off, he screamed like a little girly-man. I couldn't help to think that if this guy's "Bike Foo" was half way decent, maybe he shouldn't be talking about how "uncivilised" the bike was and start to adjust his skillz upward. Ah well...I too, give a thumbs down on rider aids.
Stephen Macon LOL yeah ive seen many do that.It has A B and C mode.Its completely possible to ride in all conditions in A mode.....unless you suck haha!
I must agree with you NR(Night Rider). They are also the justification for the extremely high prices(25K for a Kawasaki H2?) True video that will get you a lot of hate.
Rider aids are 100% a point of sale. Manufacturers want to entice new riders into buying more powerful bikes than they normally would because "it has traction contral, ABS, wheelie control, etc." and spend more money. I don't disagree with that necessarily because the more these companies make the more they expand and innovate. Although driving the prices up on a 2017 R6 because you ad 6-level traction control is kinda lame.
Good video for sure and what you said rang true. 10 years from now we will say, "back in my day we rode around on superbikes without so much as a steering stabalizer let alone all this electronic mumbo-jumbo." And these new riders will be all wide-eyed, "how on earth did you survive those trying times!?"
I agree but, when it comes to falling off a cliff or not falling of a cliff whether its my fault or not, well...I choose life thank you. Outside of that I totally agree with you.
Andrew Ball Yeah i know right lol.The funny part is when they tried to trash my hayabusa i would just send them the link to Hayabusa riders suck.Suckers wouldnt have much to say after that lol
The hyabusa riders suck was od funny af..said we fast going straight but in turn we have to go real slow haha.. but man if my sport bike only did 85mph I be cry baby too my kia forte is faster than that. After my 1st riding season I realized How overated that "what bike should I start on" really is us new riders need to ask questions like who has best protective gear how to corner and riding positions and handling ladies on the back
Want brag rights about a 200hp bike without killing themselves.... I'll stick to my 08 cbr1000rr.... she's a dominatrix.... whether you side the rear coming into a corner or light up the rear on exit, she puts you back in your place when you get carried away
I just got me a new 2016 speed triple r...first year of them putting traction control on it and put all these different "modes" to choose from on it....but I wanted it cause they made improvements to the engine for better mpg and more hp, and made it lighter...I love the fact it has abs and traction control, cause it's up to date....buuuuut first thing I do EVERY TIME I hop on is switch it to the customizable rider mode, where I have traction control turned OFF and abs turned OFF and the engine setting to "track" lmao I totally agree that all the electronic aids are for lesser riders. They're doing the same with cars, for when people swerve out of their lane and almost hit another car....like wtf were u doing swerving out of ur lane anyway. PAY ATTENTION DUMB ASSES!! 😂😂😂
Night Rider as u should lol and it's my first sport bike. Had an '02 triumph bonneville America before. So I more than doubled my hp, but I just keep in mind ur "stupid tricks" for getting ur dream bike instead of working up to it 😂 popped a little wheelie coming off a light turning green a couple days ago. I can't wait to gradually improve. I'm ready for an after market exhaust already lol safe riding man 💪🏼 hope to ride with u and many other motovloggers one day!
I am not at all upset about this, but I do disagree with you. I've had quite a few bikes -- several were the fastest of the day -- and never had rider aides. I have ridden year round and, thank God, am still in one piece. But I look at ABS like airbags in your car: with skill and luck you'll never need them but it's nice for them to be there if needed. ABS doesn't impair your performance and if it kicks in it means you pushed things too hard. On the other hand, if you need launch control you probably shouldn't be riding.
Well said bruv! Not to mention that EA gives the wrong ppl a false hope that they can ride a bike. Some ppl just don't belong on 2 wheels. Period. Clutchless bikes ? wtf..? Its like being a racing car enthusiast that prefer automatic transmission :/ gtfo.. 1k+ cc sportsbikes demand a certain respect. Its a language between you and the machine and the very thing that fuse you together in a weird biomechanical way. Now, give that language to an electronic box that translates it for you. What you have left ? Nothing! Imo the only good thing past years is ABS and only for street not track.
Damon Khan Very well said.People dont want to spend time practicing or building skill.They want a quick fix.But like u said it gives a false hope then they get in over their heads and still crash.
Damon Khan Except that almost all modern cars have abs, and almost all modern sports cars are going to have traction and stability control. A poor rider is going to lean on them not to crash, a good rider is going to use them to free up mental space to perfect lines, body positioning, etc.
Rev That Shit 1, Reread my comment about ABS 2, Same philosophy is used on cars. All those electronic is to save a driver that is above his head. 3, Throttle, bodyposition, riding the correct line, weight distribution, temperature of tyres etc is something you develop naturally along the way, IF you where born for it. 3, why do you think the NSX or Elise are still very respected sportscars ? Because the engineering is mechanical. You are part of the engineering on a bike, and guess what ? You are mechanical by nature. 4, Every time you try to justify EA, just ask yourself one question: Do you really need EA or are you just riding too fast ? 5, The more you ride the less is the use of TC and AW, trust me!
you come off as a bit biased here. I'd expect you of all people to appreciate the tech seeing as you started on a Hayabusa. Sure there may be people who are scared, and want to have the computer help them out, but why make that seem like a bad thing? I know you don't intend on putting those people down cause judging from your vids you respect all riders. Maybe someone wants to buy their dream bike as their first bike which may happen to be a balls off the wall 1000+cc model, but don't want to wait by having to start off with a 300 and work their way up, or buy it and wreck the first day cause they were overconfident. Yes, everything you are saying is true for most people, but again, why make it seem as a bad thing? that being said, your vids have inspired confidence, enough so that I got my sights on a HD Night Rod for my first bike.
Love you man but I have to disagree. If you are a road rider exclusively yes u r correct but if u ride track then this is the safest way to be fast and minimise your risk
Night Rider ok. Can I ask if u have ridden an r1m or s1000rr? I only assume u haven't because these things do need the technology that they come with in order to do quick lap times. Hey, believe me I support your concept, but for strictly track riding, technology is required for quick lap times. I ride an 07 zx10, the main reason being that it is a beast and it has no technology. But I have ridden newer bikes and am a lot quicker on them without much effort, hence I am faster and safer. Just my 2 cents. Keep on posting man, love the videos dude, and the accent LOL
stefano cioni No i haven't. I respectfully disagree though. you said you're faster "without" much effort.I like to put the forth the effort to learn to control it myself.Its possible to ride without them.Look at these guys riding an h2 and see the difference in skill...
I'm not that good of a rider, I mean I'm alright for having been riding for a little less than a year. I personally welcome rider aids, the more the better, for me personally it'll make up for my lack of skill. Traction control, abs, all that bullshit gimme gimme gimme. I'll continue to build my skills but I don't wanna get fucked up in the process Whichever of the new liter bikes is the least powerful is the one that I'm going to buy with ALL the rider aids on that joint. If they made the gixxer 750 with rider aids I'd just buy that, don't even need all the power of a 1000 but something stronger than a 600. Might just get the 959 panigale since it's not quite 1000 and pad my seat from the heat lol. I'm not that good of a rider and that's exactly why I want rider aids.......not offended btw
Night Rider You're right, like anything else you learn by doing. All the new liter bikes look so damn good, naturally you're gonna want one, being able to ride one is another story hahaha. I'm workin on it though my dude. Good video as usual
I think you are mad because you are proud of a lot of skills that will not matter in the future. People without those skills can ride modern bikes and they might be beating you soon.
Night Rider!!... What up from a Bruh in Japan!...a shout out! Yeah...you have a point but I think that you kinda sum it up by just stating that the move was done by manufacturers to "gain more market share along with improving the safety quotients for the company. Of course all makers want more sales and if you can get a percent of that increase by making most of your production line rideable to all then it should be put in place. As you advocated,..noobs are gonna want cool ass 1000cc bikes from jump street but fear there abilities so they would be interested in "riding aid equipped" bikes. So they can ride'em and check in with other riders/veterans..to catch up or be compatible so to speak. So this works well for the parties involved; makers and customers alike. So,..like the other commentators here,..like such an quipped bike??...great!!.. buy it,..ride it with it on or off...you reasons,..your choice. On the Moro GP tip tho'...that system is there to "assist" the rider's techniques and improve lap times and endurance/performance issues on parts during a race. It could also be said that,...the tech is "tested" there for benefits in production of future bikes thus sales. So that's my 2cents!!...keep up your blogs cause they do touch on good issues for the riding community worldwide!!...thumbs up Bruh!...(but do prepare your ego for debate tho')..👍🏾👨🏾
haha so rider aids on the track are about winning. but on the street they are for people who can't ride! can you not see the ignorance of the statement.
I would like to point out that almost all of the developmental work around rider aids has occurred in motogp, from the original simple wheel-speed based systems to the most advanced 6 axis IMU systems for slide control. Because they can also make you far faster. Rider aids are going to make an inexperienced rider safer and allow an experienced rider to come closer to skirting the edge of traction than human reflexes allow, you may not like it but given two people of equal skill, the one with rider aids is going to be faster.
Maybe a pro racer can shed more light on the subject! Check it out...tractioncontrolinmotogp.weebly.com/valentino-rossi.html
garry ermoloff Yeeeeup
This is definitely a debatable discussion. I don't believe owning a bike with a lot of tech classifies someone as a poor/unskillful rider. Tons of seasoned riders buy newer bikes with these features and turn them off. The way I see it, it's good to have options. What I recommend anyone starting out is - learn the very basic, then develop a very good understanding of the do's and dont's.
CLUTCH1st LOL i totally said that in this video lol🙄
CLUTCH1st I think that's what he's saying. It's ok to have, but if it's an absolute requirement for the bike you buy to have, you ride like ass.
Devisioned Fate yup
How the hell is this debatable.Its baffling to me.They take nothing away from your riding expierience while providing you with safety.How can you say no to that?So you can feel a bit more manly?Is that it again?You think any chick in the world is gonna drop her panties down because you're riding with no ABS or traction controll?.Its laughable that you put your life up on the line for cheap thrills with minimal to no returns.Europe made ABS mandatory on every bike sold after 2017 because they estimate it will reduce accidents at up to a 1/3rd and i hope they do it with every single rider aid out there
I started riding at 23. I'm now 46. No rider aids on those bikes back then. I have a 2016 Ninja 1000 now and I like the rider aids. I ride a hell of a lot safer now than I used to on those old bikes. When I want to mess about I turn them off, but I mostly ride with them on at their lowest settings. I can ride fairly well, but everyone thinks they can ride fantastically. Everyone is a street rossi until they find out the truth by sliding down the road (I've learnt my lesson a couple of times). I think anything that helps you not put the bike down is a plus. Anything that keeps us alive and on two wheels is a positive thing. Just a couple of cents from an old fart! :)
Ride safe Night Rider! ;)
Ninja Life Crisis true man .. everyone thinks they are street Rossi .. a 200 bhp bike has been deemed unsafe for streets by Moro gp riders themselves... I don't get these ppl who think they know a lot about bikes... taking a test ride here and there is different and owning Owning one is very different .. it starts with electronic aids are for a kids, then goes to helmet is worn by pussies,.. technically u shouldn't even wear a helmet then.. cause if u boast about being such a SKILLED RIDER u shouldn't be worrried at all then...
"Rider aids are there to help you not mess up" is an interesting way of saying "Rider aids are there to help you not kill yourself, kill someone else, end up a quadraplegic, or a vegetable"
I can admit this is why I bought the R1s and went from a 300 to a liter, felt more comfortable knowing I can build my confidence with the rider aids and then like you said turn down slowly and eventually off.
+Sivuhl Thats understandable
I personally think rider aids are a good thing. Cars have them too. I'd use them if my bike had them, just in case I hit oil in a curve or I have a tire blow out...you never know what could happen...and those aids could potentially be the difference between eating shit and staying up...skill level is key, but a little extra help when needed could never be a bad thing.
I do get your point though. I think they can instill too much confidence, and that's disaster waiting to strike. If a guy wants a 1000cc super sport, but will only buy one IF it has those aids....that's a no no. Besides, what if the aids fail? If you can't handle a certain bike riding the way you normally would without the aids, you don't belong on that bike WITH the aids!
+Prairie Boy77 PRECISELY.
Yeah, you could be taking the same corner for years perfectly but then the time off you take from that corner an accident could have be spilt and you end up crashing. It's better as you can keep WOTing every corner w/o fear of spinning the rear while leaning.
I agree totally. These are designed to help avoid crashes. Even the best rider can get into trouble. If I had traction control on my Firebird I probably wouldn't have crashed. When the tires break traction you now have lost control and you are going for a ride at that point. I would rather a bike with traction control than not have it.
@@cmj20002 if u knew how to corner,you probably wouldnt have crashed.
I'm 57, over a million miles on many bikes, 20 yrs of racing, racing in rain, street riding in rain, without electronic rider aids. If you watch one of the new Panigale S V4 reviews, you'll see the Ducati test rider turn everything off and back the bike into a turn. There are already people removing the ABS on the 2017 GSXR1000R because the ABS cannot be fine tuned and is worse, than your ABS being in your own hand. And TC is in your wrist. As far as Moto GP riders using them, they have them practically turn off or down so low, they're hardly on.
Interesting!! With what I ride, such things are non-issues. I have never ridden a 1000, so I admit my inability, but if I got one, I'd want a non-electronic version--or at least The ability to turn that off so I could learn what the bike was truly capable of and develop the skills needed to control that.
Maikeli7: Motovlogger Since 2007 The difference between an Ultra Classic and a 1000cc is EXTREME. Basically you can hit almost 80mph in first gear,100 in second,150 in third.At first ride it will seem impossible to tame or ride safely but it is.They can be ridden as slow and safe as a scooter.But it takes much skill to ride one well.
If I owned a 1000 REPSOL, I am sure I would get myself into trouble. I'd be too tempted not to speed. If I lived where there were a track nearby for superbike-style riding, I'd go there religiously, but around these parts, I don't think there are any. I'd never want to do extreme riding on regular roads for fear of hurting other people and myself.
I'm anti rider aids because I'm an engineer and I trust a cable over a servo. Throttle by wire, traction control, and launch control all rely on sensor/actuator loops that have multiple points of failure. Also I do a lot of my own wrenching. It is much easier to troubleshoot and repair systems with fewer points of failure. A throttle cable is either broke or it ain't. The addition of all the electronics also increases the dependency on the dealership for troubleshooting and repairs. And like you said, rider aids are NOT Jesus. No amount of fancy electronics is going to save you from the responsibility of learning to properly ride whatever bike you decide to get on.
Jondrea Smith this is a great reason to avoid them.
Correct
People who wear helmets cant ride. That's what you're saying.
Funny to hear that opinion from someone from USA where manual transmission is still the best car theft prevention device.
one reason i got into motorcycling was for the simplicity of the bike, so i stay away from rider aids.. i don't even like drive by wire
samuel lopes Yeah i love the connection with the rider and machine without interference
A year late, but w/e, Imma call you out. I put 30k on my bike a year. I'm switching to a bike with abs and traction control by the end of next year. Rider aids aren't there for a clear dry day on good pavement. Good rider don't mean shit if you hit oil in a corner in the rain. Put on some miles in bad weather and then come back and tell us how much you don't want or need something to help keep you alive.
Gary Duncan I ride constantly in the rain with no TC and still haven't been down lol. And rider aids are for wet and dry conditions.....th-cam.com/video/C3YQ-a2iA2g/w-d-xo.html
I agree with you completely. Riders bashed me for getting my 2016 FZ 07 as a first bike, because the bike didn't have rider aids. I didn't want my first bike to handicap me with learning and developing my skills as a roder
Ya, Moto GP riders use them because they increase tire life and optimize fuel efficiency. Power modes are a nice feature to have if you want to skip buying a smaller bike as your first bike, even if you just use the lower power modes for the first couple of weeks of riding. But, I prefer the feel of the bike without the rider aids. Like wheelie control is a pretty dumb one, imo. Having said that, in the rain, I'll turn the traction control on, or at least choose a lower power mode, since, in the rain, I'm not trying to go anywhere fast, anyways.
Cerebral Method Exactly .I think they are very useful as a stepping stone for beginners
I do agree to a point, I have a bike with abs and i hate it lol
But my problem with this is that I/you could be the best rider in the world
but the little old lady that somehow still has a license wont see you me all the same, I think the problem is the unpredictability of other people some people just shouldn't be on the roads...
If I crash its my fault, But is someone hits me in an accident that (somehow could have been avoided by these rider aids) then I say why not... Going for a ride and somebody didn't cover there load properly some dirt fell off around a bend....... you see my point its just to unpredictable and a RISK WE take every day...
Agreed 100%. If the power of a liter bike scares you because you don't know how to respect it, you don't need to be riding. If you can't learn what throttle control is without electronics helping you, you don't need to be riding. If you never rode a motorcycle before and you buy a liter for your first bike, you're a moron and chances are you're gonna get hurt either way because the electronics won't help. Most new riders can't even handle a 600 properly let alone a 1000 because they don't understand the power to weight ratio. If that offends anyone, you're the exact type of person NR was talking about in this video.
Having ridden Harley's hard and then moving onto the MT-10 Yamaha I choose this bike because it only has 3 traction control and 3 power modes. Unlocked with a custom map it does 260 klms in 6th, very fast. I worked my way through the modes to now just turning them off. I still leave the least traction on because it wheelies very easily in 3 to 4 gears now. I also use the Standard mode when my daughter wants to ride with me. it's just a cruiser then and she feels comfortable and safe. If I do a early mountain run and just have have a cup of coffee. after the run I'm sick from all the G-force. Adrenaline, coffee and a very fast bike. Adds help hone your skills or you could just get a Harley, add a performance kit and beat most rider's on Sports bike. Learn to ride whatever bike you have. edge to edge and hang off even a Harley. I miss drifting on the Harley's. The Fatboy was the best.
Rider aids don't counteract the laws of physics. That being said, when it's damp/wet, I turn my traction on.
I ride in full rain with it off
Snow tires on a car in the winter aren't necessary, but they sure as shit are a good idea. Rider aids are the same deal.
They arent.More close to getting good bike tires.And how many people still get stuck in the snow because they suck at driving.The tires will only do so much.Rider aids wil only help so much.But depending on them will stunt your skill and give you a false sense of confidence.Make no mistake guys still crash
th-cam.com/video/mSH3yN7-vc0/w-d-xo.html
Night Rider It is analogous. Tires are a form of technology. They have improved much over the years. Accepting that improvement doesn't make one less skillful in itself. Same goes for other kinds of technology to improve safety like rider aides. Anyway, you don't want to ride with aides, that's cool. I don't ride with aides either. But if someone prefers to have them, that's cool too.
I agree to each his own.I just stating the obvious reason of their sudden demand.Simply put for example a rider who NEEDS them is less skilled than one who doesn't.
I dont want Biker Aids.
But i do like a GPS.
But when it comes to motorcycle safety aids, I dont need them, and dont want them, That stuff is for noob riders.
To counter your argument, although I half agree, many bikes that come with the additional rider aids also come with higher quality parts to match
airton soares True i have an ebr 1190 rx with tc and showa forks
I do not have rider aids, but would gladly have a bike wih rider aids if the insurance industry thought they were safer and decreased insurance rates for supersports as a result. Cheaper insurance is the only advantage I see for me.
My dream bike was the CBR1000RR because it has not electronic rider aids....
Till 2017
I changed my mind, now my dream bike is CBR600RR.
I agree with you. I have a 1992 ZX7 with a ZX9R engine, which means my bike has carbs...all rider control no aids. I may add a drag shifter just to keep up with newer bikes but that's the only aid I want. I feel that riding that helps me ride anything. The only reason I see the need for any rider aid is to help someone get used to a new bike up to the point they don't need it anymore. After that cut them off or disable them and learn to be a better rider.
I don't know if you watch bike reviews. But I think it's funny when professional testers get a bike with rider aids. And their first question is. Well can I turn it off?
snipes503 Yup.They dont need them
I had a 2012 Busa and I loved every minute on it, but I'm a average rider at best. What save my skin was my respect for the bike and my limits. You have to know your limits and then grow with the bike. I would use the rider aids and I also see your point. Ride safe Night Rider.
I think some rider aids are good, abs is proven to be better and traction control can be helpful. But power modes and variable power shit, that's trash. Great topic.
2CLUTCH The real doesn't always provide you with optimal riding scenarios. When I've worked 15 hours and just want to get home intact, or it starts raining, it'd be nice to not have to worry as much about managing power. Having the option provides literally no downsides.
+Rev That Shit that true! Like having a sports car with modes. When I just wanna go home in one piece knowing the human error of being sleep or otherwise give me safety nets.
Rev That Shit It stunts your skills and makes u reliant on the bike.Riding in the rain isnt that hard.Just have good tires and take your time.Having learnedto ride my Hayabusa in all conditions in full power allows me to pretty much ride anything.
glad my suzuki came without any aids. teaches you not to be stupid with something that needs that much responsibility
Moto Mark PRECISELY
I strong agree..... I have a 2010 zx14 and it has no aids. its raw bike. and I love it. nothing in my way to reset when I upgrade and it makes me the rider increase my skill
+TY'S TAKES Yup.Unfortunately a lot of these new riders dont understand is that these aids only help so much.One day they will be curious to unleash their bike and it will bite them because they were too reliant on handicaps
Totally agree man! That's the reason I bought the RC8 for my first sport bike ...i wanted to learn how to ride a bike, not program it!
GotDave? Yeah you see all the guys at the snake killing it with ZERO rider aids all day.Its funny to me how people act like they are an essential feature lol!
Exactly! Its funny, your thumbnail is the new R1 dash, & it reminded me of the first time I saw a dude with one of those brand new R1's crashed out in a turn up there & thought to myself, "I didn't think that could happen!"
GotDave? Yeah a lot of people think that the aids make the bike crash proof then go out and ride past their skill levels
You're exactly right! ...the salesmen feed that shit info to the noobs to sell bikes, then the fool goes out thinking the bike is crash-proof & balls it up!
GotDave? Ive heard Rossi himself spew that crap too when they released the R1.People forget who writes his checks
I'm out riding having fun on my Fireblade not worrying about comparing myself with the latest shootout or rider aids. If your having a good time that's all you need is some good old fashion fun and that is something that will never be out dated.
The only thing I wanted my ZX-14 to have is ABS, if it had that, My brakes wouldn't have locked up I wouldn't have had my accident which eventually led me to having to sell it.
kyokushinkuma Man😢
exactly I hate abs but only when there isn't a option to turn it off (track) but in day to day why not. Same thing happened on my fz1
If you know how to operate the braking system on a motorcycle you don't need ABS. If you're inexperienced or lack the skill to operate a motorcycle with efficiency then yes I agree, ABS is needed because they will stop a newb faster than foolishly slamming on the breaks on a non-abs bike.
I've been down in ABS for a long time, but only because of everything I've researched and read about the systems in use. They interfere, interrupt, take away feel and control of a situation.
Well, that's changing. As precise and accurate as traction control has been on high-end bikes now, even so far as allowing tail-out drifting on a track without hi/low sides, the ABS is starting to get as intelligent working through the front wheel. What TC has been in the back end, ABS is getting on the front end. That's a good thing, because it allows control at the limit without obnoxious interference and pulsation. But it's required IMU and other gizmos to give the system enough feedback about what's going on.
Bottom line is all this stuff costs money for R&D, electronics, programming algorithms, and adds complexity that may, or may not increase breakdowns. Do we want that as a community? Well, things are going that way whether we like it or not. :\
What I fear more than anything, is that soon the motorcycling community will forget what many people got into riding for in the first place: having FUN. It's a sand-kicking war in a lot of ways.
Bowen Leigh lol.. imagine u driving at 80 kmph on street and dog all of a sudden cuts ur path..or u on a highway at 120kmph and some jerk in a car decides to cross paths .. and many more .. ABS is only and only to prevent wheel lock ups in emergency breaking.. I m not saying it's a boon.. even I switch my bikes ABS off on track days.. but for streets these days .. it's goood to know that it's there...
I would like to point out that almost all of the developmental work around rider aids has occurred in motogp, from the original simple wheel-speed based systems to the most advanced 6 axis IMU systems for slide control. Because they can also make you far faster.
Rider aids are going to make an inexperienced rider safer and allow an experienced rider to come closer to skirting the edge of traction than human reflexes allow, you may not like it but given two people of equal skill, the one with rider aids is going to be faster.
That's a good point.
Hooligan CONCEPTS The person who rides without aids will be able to ride anything anywhere
From working at dealerships the only people that care about rider aids are overly cautious people. But there are alot more squids that don't care about them that ride out and wreck shortly after.
tv321123 That sounds very accurate lol.
All I want to do on my bike is get from point a to point b.ill take a 1000cc with AIDS please
Is that a Trevor Noah reference lol?
Kelly d If all you want to do is get to point a to b why buy a street legal Race machine capable of 200mph?
why ride a 1000cc if you're afraid of its power?
I ride a 99 transalp 600v. It's a bare bones 48hp trail bike.
Of course I look with desire to the big sport 1000cc bikes. But the truth is I rarely use even the full power of my transalp on the street. And even so I'm often the faster vehicle on the road I'm in and I find myself always riding at illegal speeds!
So what is the point in buying a bike with nearly 200hp and a bunch of electronics to make it easier to ride???
Antonio Duarte Kinda contradictory aint it lol
Also motogp riders are constantly pegging 100+, so if you need traction control below 60, get the fuck off the motorcycle.
Devisioned Fate LOL
Them using the technology is just stunting their growth as a rider, no need for good riders to worry about it
Nick Conley Yup
Not a fan of rider aids.just them being on a bike makes me feel that I am being limited.
You're absolutely right when it comes to people who know how to ride turn off their rider aids. I have traction control on my bike but I only turn it ON when it's raining. You didn't mention that rider aids take a lot of fun out of the motorcycles.
Hooligan CONCEPTS Yeah this video had way more commentary but i had to keep the runtime down.Yes i agree.Part of the fun is the danger and challenge.
I used to ride cruisers, know I ride a Kawasaki ninja 1000 with abs. Don't notice the abs cause I can handle the bike. I'm 42 and know what to do. I agree with you! 100 percent!
Major Havok Thanks for the feedback.What you think of the 2017 zx10?
Night Rider I like the looks! But don't trust a computer to my instincts!
Non of the bikes i have owned in my life had traction control or abs for that matter.. ABS is also a electronic aid
FrankieMoto I give a little pass to abs.
So abs is not needed for new riders? Is it better to learn without it so you get better at controlling the brakes without an aid ?
John doe Abs isnt needed for anyone. That being said its a great feature.It is beneficial though to know how to ride without it.
I agree. My 1190 SX has nothing! It's just fast...
Juan Brito-Nina Is that the ebr??
Night Rider hell yea bro! 2014. The clutch is kinda heavy, but a great bike!
Juan Brito-Nina I looooooove ebr bikes.I want an 1190rx.But i cant have that AND a Busa
Interesting perspective night. I actually like rider aids. See I started on a 300 (balance) moved to a 750 (taught me about TC) then a 1000 (TAUGHT ME Wheelie control/throttle control/braking distance lol) but I went back down to a 650 to learn actual handling characteristics. When I started I was scared of big bikes mainly because I know myself. Even now I have a good amount of skill to operate my 650 at a high 90% I wish I had rider aids to hold that our 10 while I push through my barriers where mistakes get magnified. My next liter will be tracked and I know I don't have the skill off hand but it can be learned in a matter of summer commuting and track days. On a liter I consider riding aids because I been doing on one pushing with no safety net. I would like to learn with a safety net then turn it off. Then push my limits with the safety on until I'm comfortable with how the bike reacts. It beats another 10k totalled bike and 12k hospital bill.
Hmm.. my '16 S1000 has traction control. 3 levels, but I keep it at level 1. Level 3 when it rains.
Brandon Bicasso When it rains i just take it slow and ride in a higher gear when necessary
Eh.. I do that on the 109 since it doesn't have any. That said, I hate riding the 109 in the rain. Tire slips out a lot easier. Can ride full throttle on the S1000 with TC on.
Brandon Bicasso Yeah it TOTALLY sucks in rain.I think its the tire.Im going to change it to a dunlop i hear its a better tire for grip
The Dunlop E3s are meh. I run a 250 Avon Cobra rear and Avon Viper on front. The 109 just isn't an easy bike to ride in the rain. That Dunlop is gonna be your worst nightmare, lol. It performs great on the highway, but it eventually flattens out and makes that rear push against you in a turn.
Brandon Bicasso Thanks for the heads up
I'd have a few exceptions like the superduke from what I've seen if that thing doesn't have traction control it will wheelie for days on end
Cameron Rowe It can be tamed.Look at the difference between these two guys riding an H2 th-cam.com/video/JLgBPhJkYsg/w-d-xo.html
true, that H2 looks like its a ton of fun to ride, personally id be scared of wheelies because i'm new to riding but i agree if you cant ride without aids you cant ride. but they can make life easier for those who can.
Holy shit I just realized how close you are to my area, you're probably 5 minutes away from me, can't want to get my bike man
Wait*
Mario Piruz I waa stalking u haha
Amen brother! If you want to learn to ride motorcycles, then LEARN AND DEVELOP YOUR SKILLS! A bike can only correct you so much.
+Wrong Hat Most wont realize that till they crash.They just want a shortcut without putting in the work lol.
In my opinion and I think you're right that the writer aids are for people who don't know how to ride it as well as possibly you or someone else I am getting ready to purchase a R 1 AM although I do ride a 1000 at this time FZ 1000 nothing like a R 1 AM I think for me the right aids will help me become a better safer rider that's just my Pinyan but I love your blogs thanks for sharing
Candelario Diaz Thanks for the feedback.Let me know how the new bije goes
You are absolutely right. And why start with big superbikes "small dicks?", start smaller, then gradually develop your skills. Then switching to high performance suberbike should not be so terrifying. I'll trust my own skills and bikes abilities when there is now electric gizmo to "help". I started again riding 2011, and started with slow as hell 500cc Royal Enfield. Now I also have Honda SevenFifty from 99. And I am fine that is old bike. If you crash it. I won't be expensive to repair and your learn riding skills again. No I am trusting this machine and I can take it to near to it's limits and be alive to tell next day. Now to changing to >100hp suberbikes is not a big deal. And I'll buy well maintained older bike without any driver aids. Because you should have to have real skills to ride those machines.
I would love to see you ride and do a dual moto vlog with 650ib, have you seen his videos ? I could see you two getting along so well.
John doe Yeah ive seen him.I dont think ill ever do a dual vlog with anyone though.Just not my style.
Night Rider I hear you buddy, stay up.
Church..... Preach brother Preach
amen brother! my r6 has none and I don't want any!
Not really any different than putting all that same tech on cars. The reality that many don't want to face is the fact that a computer is vastly superior to a human when operating machinery. Lots of cars come with driving aids like traction control or ABS and motorists are a lot safer because of it. Kind of the same thing with motorcycles. I can ride without ABS, traction control, wheelie control, electronic suspension and a quick shifter, but if the bike comes with it I'm not going to turn it all off or not use it so that I can go around thinking my skills are on par with a MotoGP rider... because they're not.
John Garner Its VERY different. 90% Of motorist are complete morons who cant chew bubble gum and walk at the same time.Nor are they driving for recreation or sport.Motorcycling is a completely different culture.The challenge of riding is part of the exhilaration.
I think it is more a government or insurance thing I had my fun on the sport bikes .. but now Ride a big harley .. and I hate that they have ABS etc .. Hell I am old school haha
Take Care Got a sub . ( disagree with buy a sport bike video first .. haha Can't always agree with ya . )
Hey im cool with that.Thanks man.Yeah it should lower insurance rates
yup. I never rode and want a big bike so I can just set the power at a certain level and learn on that bike instead of buying a shitty 250
TSupraLano I think they are good for that purpose.So long as you keep progressing.
sorry for the spelling mistaks
What's good enough for Rossi is good enough for me! Lol. I sold my CBR1000 for 1199 and love the Ducati (aids and all) been riding for 10 years. If you want a ancient bike you should get a cafe racer or something. Times are changing, but I agree Launch control is gonna kill the drag racing scene
Roy Finnel You do realize youre exactly why sponsorships work?
Night Rider true, I'm just excited to have something new and even if the aids are for noobs it's cool to have something to use the tach for. I mean you have to admit the tachometer on these new bikes are way cooler, though you shouldn't be dependent on aids to save your ass. I guess I'm just reinforcing what you said about getting a new bikes. (I only have road the 1199 100 miles since purchase) so I will update again later.
Only thing I want is some cruise control:(
What are some of your opinions about ABS? Also for noobs?
Karl Bernstein I think its good. At the same time i think its good to know how to ride without it.
Thanks for the reply man! Been watching your videos for over a year now and finally thinking about getting a motorcycle.
Karl Bernstein Cool what u thinking of getting?
Night Rider Probably a used 600, R6 or a GSX-R
I think rider aids for beginners are actually a hindrance more than a help. Makes it so they become reliant on a computer to keep them upright. BUT, if I challenge you to a race, nightrider, I might have to throw on that launch control in attempt to get ahead of that BUSA lol
Mario F I agree.Haha maybe this bike is hard to launch
Yea I said the exact same thing an boy did I get alot of shity remarks. lol The truth really does hurt, or should I say the truth pisses people off? haha. LOVE this video! You dislikers need that finger snapped off cause ya know everything KR said is true! Keep on bringing it brother love the straight talk. PEACE!
Patrick Hatrick Thanks lol.Let them dislike all they want i dont care.They riding around with training wheels thinking they can ride lol.They are great to learn then wean off.
Yea while racer X is fumbling with his buttons my old ass zx11 just blew his fucken plastic off!!! LOL PEACE!
All the older sport bike riders take rider aids as an insult
luise cobian I'm not old though lol
A couple of months ago, I watched a moto-vlogger test out a new 'busa. He pushed a button to put it into an "economy mode" (I think that's what he called it), but as he rode it, he seemed a bit, un-impressed. Then he put it into a "sport" mode and as he pulled off, he screamed like a little girly-man. I couldn't help to think that if this guy's "Bike Foo" was half way decent, maybe he shouldn't be talking about how "uncivilised" the bike was and start to adjust his skillz upward. Ah well...I too, give a thumbs down on rider aids.
Stephen Macon LOL yeah ive seen many do that.It has A B and C mode.Its completely possible to ride in all conditions in A mode.....unless you suck haha!
Now I meant in that sentence. Sorry silly phone correct thing.
As long as you can turn them off I dont really care. My only problem with rider aids is gonna be when they start breaking and total bikes.
march11stoneytony Same here but the prices are going up because of them
#truth u the real mvp nightrider
Shivam Dhupar Thanks
I must agree with you NR(Night Rider). They are also the justification for the extremely high prices(25K for a Kawasaki H2?) True video that will get you a lot of hate.
I think it's a pretty bike. But when I ride I want to be in control! Not some computer I can't talk to!
Major Havok As long as i have the option to turn them off im cool
Hey man, you should make an intro!
Rider aids are 100% a point of sale. Manufacturers want to entice new riders into buying more powerful bikes than they normally would because "it has traction contral, ABS, wheelie control, etc." and spend more money. I don't disagree with that necessarily because the more these companies make the more they expand and innovate. Although driving the prices up on a 2017 R6 because you ad 6-level traction control is kinda lame.
Bowen Leigh Precisely.Thats one of the points i made.And yeah thats a bit much for a 600 i think
Good video for sure and what you said rang true. 10 years from now we will say, "back in my day we rode around on superbikes without so much as a steering stabalizer let alone all this electronic mumbo-jumbo." And these new riders will be all wide-eyed, "how on earth did you survive those trying times!?"
Bowen Leigh LOL thats EXACTLY right
Necessary if you race
Probably the only useful one I could say would be traction control
Suvy 12 Personally id rather control it myself.Its difficult but thats the fun to me.I enjoy the challenge of riding
I agree but, when it comes to falling off a cliff or not falling of a cliff whether its my fault or not, well...I choose life thank you. Outside of that I totally agree with you.
SmalltownBIGbike I dont ride hard around cliffs period. Its not worth it to me.
rider aids are just more things that can break it's cool but unnecessary
Tattoos by Guel Agreed.
I like when you make these controversial videos keep em coming lol
Andrew Ball Thanks.I just try to be honest and real.Certainly not trying to be a shock jock but definitely not walking on eggshells for nobody.
I feel you those are just my personal favorites especially why 600cc riders suck you had the whole world mad hahaha
Andrew Ball Yeah i know right lol.The funny part is when they tried to trash my hayabusa i would just send them the link to Hayabusa riders suck.Suckers wouldnt have much to say after that lol
Andrew Ball The biggest cry babies of that series were 250cc riders lol
The hyabusa riders suck was od funny af..said we fast going straight but in turn we have to go real slow haha.. but man if my sport bike only did 85mph I be cry baby too my kia forte is faster than that. After my 1st riding season I realized How overated that "what bike should I start on" really is us new riders need to ask questions like who has best protective gear how to corner and riding positions and handling ladies on the back
Want brag rights about a 200hp bike without killing themselves.... I'll stick to my 08 cbr1000rr.... she's a dominatrix.... whether you side the rear coming into a corner or light up the rear on exit, she puts you back in your place when you get carried away
Is riders Aids contagious ?
+squid RR 508 yed
i think ABS is enough
Loek Van Java Agreed
better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it
+Smurfzilla I understand the logic.But ive never needed it.
didn't even know what it was lol... good for newbies I guess😂
I call it motorcycle tech.
yeaaa exactly man ....i agree😀again ..i like you.
I just got me a new 2016 speed triple r...first year of them putting traction control on it and put all these different "modes" to choose from on it....but I wanted it cause they made improvements to the engine for better mpg and more hp, and made it lighter...I love the fact it has abs and traction control, cause it's up to date....buuuuut first thing I do EVERY TIME I hop on is switch it to the customizable rider mode, where I have traction control turned OFF and abs turned OFF and the engine setting to "track" lmao I totally agree that all the electronic aids are for lesser riders. They're doing the same with cars, for when people swerve out of their lane and almost hit another car....like wtf were u doing swerving out of ur lane anyway. PAY ATTENTION DUMB ASSES!! 😂😂😂
Thats a nice bike.Yeah i love to feel the beast unleashed.The next hayabusa will have aids too and i will turn them off
Night Rider as u should lol and it's my first sport bike. Had an '02 triumph bonneville America before. So I more than doubled my hp, but I just keep in mind ur "stupid tricks" for getting ur dream bike instead of working up to it 😂 popped a little wheelie coming off a light turning green a couple days ago. I can't wait to gradually improve. I'm ready for an after market exhaust already lol safe riding man 💪🏼 hope to ride with u and many other motovloggers one day!
Tell it like it is Night Rider! I can't stand ABS on bikes
Steviedee 73 I actually like abs.I can totally do without it but it can help in EXTREME situations
Night Rider ya maybe I was on some loose gravel and it fucked me up that why I hate on it!
Steviedee 73 It can be a problem if you ride aggressively
I am not at all upset about this, but I do disagree with you. I've had quite a few bikes -- several were the fastest of the day -- and never had rider aides. I have ridden year round and, thank God, am still in one piece. But I look at ABS like airbags in your car: with skill and luck you'll never need them but it's nice for them to be there if needed. ABS doesn't impair your performance and if it kicks in it means you pushed things too hard. On the other hand, if you need launch control you probably shouldn't be riding.
CaptPuget I actually like abs.I dont think its absolutely necessary but its great. And i agree with your analogy
CaptPuget I actually like abs.I dont think its absolutely necessary but its great. And i agree with your analogy
Well said bruv!
Not to mention that EA gives the wrong ppl a false hope that they can ride a bike. Some ppl just don't belong on 2 wheels. Period.
Clutchless bikes ? wtf..?
Its like being a racing car enthusiast that prefer automatic transmission :/ gtfo..
1k+ cc sportsbikes demand a certain respect. Its a language between you and the machine and the very thing that fuse you together in a weird biomechanical way.
Now, give that language to an electronic box that translates it for you. What you have left ? Nothing!
Imo the only good thing past years is ABS and only for street not track.
Damon Khan Very well said.People dont want to spend time practicing or building skill.They want a quick fix.But like u said it gives a false hope then they get in over their heads and still crash.
Damon Khan Except that almost all modern cars have abs, and almost all modern sports cars are going to have traction and stability control.
A poor rider is going to lean on them not to crash, a good rider is going to use them to free up mental space to perfect lines, body positioning, etc.
Rev That Shit
1, Reread my comment about ABS
2, Same philosophy is used on cars. All those electronic is to save a driver that is above his head.
3, Throttle, bodyposition, riding the correct line, weight distribution, temperature of tyres etc is something you develop naturally along the way, IF you where born for it.
3, why do you think the NSX or Elise are still very respected sportscars ?
Because the engineering is mechanical. You are part of the engineering on a bike, and guess what ? You are mechanical by nature.
4, Every time you try to justify EA, just ask yourself one question: Do you really need EA or are you just riding too fast ?
5, The more you ride the less is the use of TC and AW, trust me!
you come off as a bit biased here. I'd expect you of all people to appreciate the tech seeing as you started on a Hayabusa. Sure there may be people who are scared, and want to have the computer help them out, but why make that seem like a bad thing? I know you don't intend on putting those people down cause judging from your vids you respect all riders.
Maybe someone wants to buy their dream bike as their first bike which may happen to be a balls off the wall 1000+cc model, but don't want to wait by having to start off with a 300 and work their way up, or buy it and wreck the first day cause they were overconfident. Yes, everything you are saying is true for most people, but again, why make it seem as a bad thing?
that being said, your vids have inspired confidence, enough so that I got my sights on a HD Night Rod for my first bike.
copperjarhead Read description. I mentioned people trying to learn as an exception
Night Rider oh word. TH-cam descriptions are like the fine print lol.
Love you man but I have to disagree. If you are a road rider exclusively yes u r correct but if u ride track then this is the safest way to be fast and minimise your risk
stefano cioni I ride faster on the street than most do on the track.And who goes to a track to ride safe?Thats the place to unleash the beast.
Night Rider ok. Can I ask if u have ridden an r1m or s1000rr? I only assume u haven't because these things do need the technology that they come with in order to do quick lap times. Hey, believe me I support your concept, but for strictly track riding, technology is required for quick lap times. I ride an 07 zx10, the main reason being that it is a beast and it has no technology. But I have ridden newer bikes and am a lot quicker on them without much effort, hence I am faster and safer. Just my 2 cents. Keep on posting man, love the videos dude, and the accent LOL
stefano cioni No i haven't. I respectfully disagree though. you said you're faster "without" much effort.I like to put the forth the effort to learn to control it myself.Its possible to ride without them.Look at these guys riding an h2 and see the difference in skill...
stefano cioni th-cam.com/video/JLgBPhJkYsg/w-d-xo.html
I'm not that good of a rider, I mean I'm alright for having been riding for a little less than a year. I personally welcome rider aids, the more the better, for me personally it'll make up for my lack of skill. Traction control, abs, all that bullshit gimme gimme gimme. I'll continue to build my skills but I don't wanna get fucked up in the process
Whichever of the new liter bikes is the least powerful is the one that I'm going to buy with ALL the rider aids on that joint. If they made the gixxer 750 with rider aids I'd just buy that, don't even need all the power of a 1000 but something stronger than a 600. Might just get the 959 panigale since it's not quite 1000 and pad my seat from the heat lol. I'm not that good of a rider and that's exactly why I want rider aids.......not offended btw
Ogre Doug LOL i feel ya.Well ill say this you can reach a point where you feel confident and comfortable on a liter bike.
Night Rider
You're right, like anything else you learn by doing. All the new liter bikes look so damn good, naturally you're gonna want one, being able to ride one is another story hahaha. I'm workin on it though my dude. Good video as usual
Ogre Doug Yeah they alk came out with some top notch designs and specs
I think you are mad because you are proud of a lot of skills that will not matter in the future. People without those skills can ride modern bikes and they might be beating you soon.
Mark Hollingsworth I think ur the type to crash being an idiot and blame the bike
more safety is cool with me
dolo747 Its costing us all more money on the Msrp and more mechanical problems.Ill make a video about it
that is also true
Agreed
Sup night rider!! Lol
Waypast Gone Sup
Night Rider!!... What up from a Bruh in Japan!...a shout out!
Yeah...you have a point but I think that you kinda sum it up by just stating that the move was done by manufacturers to "gain more market share along with improving the safety quotients for the company.
Of course all makers want more sales and if you can get a percent of that increase by making most of your production line rideable to all then it should be put in place.
As you advocated,..noobs are gonna want cool ass 1000cc bikes from jump street but fear there abilities so they would be interested in "riding aid equipped" bikes. So they can ride'em and check in with other riders/veterans..to catch up or be compatible so to speak.
So this works well for the parties involved; makers and customers alike.
So,..like the other commentators here,..like such an quipped bike??...great!!.. buy it,..ride it with it on or off...you reasons,..your choice.
On the Moro GP tip tho'...that system is there to "assist" the rider's techniques and improve lap times and endurance/performance issues on parts during a race. It could also be said that,...the tech is "tested" there for benefits in production of future bikes thus sales.
So that's my 2cents!!...keep up your blogs cause they do touch on good issues for the riding community worldwide!!...thumbs up Bruh!...(but do prepare your ego for debate tho')..👍🏾👨🏾
FlamesAt1000ft Yup great comment.And im always ready to debate lol
haha so rider aids on the track are about winning. but on the street they are for people who can't ride! can you not see the ignorance of the statement.
gonzosc1 An idiot trying to sound intelligent lol
haha and that reply proves my point. nothing intelligent to say about the subject matter so you move straight a personal attack. well played libtard!
gonzosc1 Thats what the video is for. but youre too dumb to understand
gonzosc1 "Libtard" jesus christ lol
Completely agree
TwoWheeledMisfit Thanks
I would like to point out that almost all of the developmental work around rider aids has occurred in motogp, from the original simple wheel-speed based systems to the most advanced 6 axis IMU systems for slide control. Because they can also make you far faster.
Rider aids are going to make an inexperienced rider safer and allow an experienced rider to come closer to skirting the edge of traction than human reflexes allow, you may not like it but given two people of equal skill, the one with rider aids is going to be faster.