I think Beamers, Benzes, and Audis compete with each other. Lexus doesn't get into all of those competition games. I think Lexus has a firm understanding of their target demographic and sticks with the tried and true. The tortoise vs the hare...a reliable and faithful wife vs the flashy and wild mistress/side-piece.
I'll take the wild hot chick all day/night. But there's more to it. Jag F-Types don't rust (theres one small steel guard plate, mine looks perfect after 8 years), they use the same transmission as an $800K Rolls Royce, they tune to 700HP without creating issues, you can abuse them daily and drag race weekly with no breakage or even change over time, they are amazingly refined, super comfortable, built like tanks, a little too heavy, fast as hell cars that are unbeatable off the line (AWD) or from a roll (RWD). BMW nor Toyota-Lexus has an analog.
What do you talk about? Lexus was first with driver monitoring system, self-parking, LED headlights, adaptive high-beam headlights, first V8 hybrid, Active Steering Assist, digital door mirrors, aero-ventilating wheels, first car to get under 56db, world-first climate control system which uses infra-red sensors, first car in the world to have satellite navigation fitted, world’s first eight-speed automatic transmission, first car in the world to be fitted with a twin-chamber front passenger airbag, world’s first silencer plate for a hybrid powertrain, first car in the industry to feature a low reflection windscreen, world’s first electronically controlled variable valve timing system on the intake camshafts, Laser-screw welding, first car ever to offer a six-disc CD auto-changer, under-seat suspension system. What are you talking about
That precisely why I say: LEASE a Beemer or BUY a Lexus. You can find very cheap 5-10 yr old Beemers but Lexus (and Toyota) will hold their value because they simply last...
@marks90004 So true. Even 2012 Lexus IS sell for in the 20k range. My uncle still has his 92 Lexus LS and she's running strong. He bought it new in 1992.
As a BMW owner, these are facts. I love the e90 3 series, but fucking hell have I changed almost everything under the hood. Next car will be an Lexus IS300h
Back in 1977 just out of high school, I worked for a car leasing company in Los Angeles. It was nice working there because I got to drive all the fancy cars I could never afford to drive. I wasn’t really into cars so much, and never even knew what a BMW was. When I got to drive my first 320i. WOW, that thing was tight! Steering was a dream, twisty roads and corners were a blast!! But as you said, the bean counters are the big problem, now at 63 I drive a Lexus.
You're right about the 320i. The first BMW I bought was a second hand 2005 320i. I still have it and use it as a winter car. I has nearly 300,000 kilometers and the engine sounds like it's still new. My other two BMW's are for pleasure trips, and they've never seen winter-salted roads.
@@samyadav006 I'm in the auto service business, located in the country, where people are accustomed to driving great distances and the cars accumulate very high millage. The determining factor for long engine life is a good oil change schedule. Don't follow the auto makers' oil change requirements, the auto makers like to sell cars.
@@rollydoucet8909 thank you for taking time to give this info. I’m pretty known to this I got a Camry as a daily driving (which you can see on my channel if you like) and 2010 CRV I do regular maintenance check and oil check on time maybe around every 5K and they are runnings great hope they always show me great times ahead. If “some” automakers do care about there cars why they make there cars with such complex engine designs and in result which didn’t last long
@@samyadav006 Do whatever you can to extend the service life of a vehicle. Once a car is paid for, and if it is kept in good condition, it starts paying you back. Every year that you aren't making monthly car payments is a free year, in a manner of speaking.
Go for it. Even used. Just buy the extended warranty.. you will love it. I have a black Lexus RX450h F-Sport with red leather.. this thing is very fast but also economical. With all the luxury stuff..
Now hold on a minute a very high end toyota camry xle or xse hybrid or non hybrid is still extremely nice and should be an option. I would consider getting a camry xle or xse hybrid which is high tech but extremely reliable too as toytas ecvt is proven tough and it's extremely fuel efficient like 47mpg while having a beautiful creme or red perforated leather interior as standard on the higher end models for just 30-32k and it doesn't look like a boring car. The new camry looks super sleek and sharp unlike the last generation. I'd hold on the Lexus consider a premium grade 4 cyl fwd camry. Don't bother with the v6 and AWD it's not worth it. The 4 cyl and fwd is better and I drove it. It's surprisingly quick and even more reliable. If you ever have to do spark plugs, chains, head gasket, intake and exhaust gaskets or manifold ect having 1 engine bank of 4 cylinders is better than 2 banks each having 3 cylinders that makes up a v6. Consider the premium grade Camry and go look at some at the dealer.
I dont care if the BMW is more fun and engaging. The moment I step away from the car I would be regretting getting it cause I'm always worrying about the future. I could never enjoy a car unless it's a Honda, Acura, Toyota, or Lexus. I get peace of mind.
"BMW's (and Mercedes, Jaguar, Porsche and Range Rover) are endless money pits after the warranty runs out. Lease one for three years and get it out of your system" Scotty Kilmer LOL
They’re only money pits if you don’t have the money to maintain them. I had a 2013 Audi A4 for 8 years, sold it with 145k miles. The only expenses I ever had were oil changes and headlight bulbs. Did a tune up at 100k and car still runs beautifully. Not to mention that I also maintained the interior and all of the materials held up like new. So it really comes down to whether you have the resources to maintain. Oil change intervals at 10-15k miles is ridiculous. I always did mine at 7.5k to 8.5k
@@kevind4946 theyre good cars but a Lexus gives you most of the same luxury but with a reliable car that’ll last you forever and never leave you hanging.
@@805fillmore Lexus can never compete with a BEEMER in terms of performance. If you are only looking for RELIABILITY then go for local brands (depending on your country) they are cheaper to maintain.
@@fanaticcoder3320 if you want performance why buy a BEEMER and not like a Dodge Challenger or mustang with a V8? Also I live in USA all the local brands(Ford,Chevy, dodge etc) make UNRELIABLE cars. All my American cars have had reliability issues. Now Lexus gives me a nice luxurious car and reliability.
Save yourself from headaches…buy a Toyota, Lexus, Honda or Acura. You’ll thank yourself when you see german cars having to wait for road side assistance. I know i did.
I know i had a BMW 528 xi and it was a real lemon. Today i have an Acura TL and it is rock solid. I can spend my money elsewhere. I am in love with the Maserati Ghibli but i am very scared as it reminds me of my beemer.
@@jacquesouanounou6906 Run FAR far away from anything with the Maserati name unless you enjoy endless grief and incomprehensible frustrations. Mechanic Here
Had a honda for 14 years now. When the day comes I have to change. Then a Lexus or Toyota yes. A BMW absolutely no way. For exactly the reasons mentioned in video.
Then why not go back to buying a Honda? Is it (the problem) what I think it is? Cause once my car gets sold, I'm done with Honda too. Then were once good and had their heads in the game. Not so much anymore
@marks90004 it's only an 8 year old car too. That's been the only issues other than general maintenance. 133k miles on it. I'm juss waiting till car 🚗 prices get back to normal to get another one
Lease the BMW, own the Lexus. Or own both but only drive the BMW on the weekends. Or if the Lexus you own happens to be an LFA, only drive that one on weekends ... when the weather is really nice.
@@non-fictionaltoughguy1208 I won’t disagree with that. That’s why there’s Alfa Romeo. And before you say anything about reliability check with owners online. Since they’re lumped In with Chrysler they all get a false bad reputation.
@@Natethegreat200c before my 2020 giulia had 19,000 miles on it it was stuck at the service shop for a week, lost the ability to change drive modes. That being said if you do go for a giulia, they’re very fun cars when they work. If your state has only 2 dealers that service them like mine does though, probably best to take your money elsewhere
Very true about BMW oil change intervals. Here in Western Australia where the climate is considered extreme in summer, I had an F80M3 Competition. The BMW recommended oil change interval for the S55 3.0 straight 6 twin turbo engine in the M3 was 2 years or 24,000 km! When I asked for oil changes every 6 months, BMW said it was outside the service contract. I still had my oil changed every 6 months but BMW charged me $350 each time. After owning BMWs for more than 30 years, I no longer have one and will never buy another one.
$350 for each oil change. What a rip off. A 5 quart jug of bmw approved oil is almost never above $25 and a filter is about $10 and it's not labor intensive. What a stealership.
If your using synthetic oil its usually every 5,000 miles and if using regular oil its every 3,000 . If your driving your car hard then you should change it even earlier . 24,000 miles ? I would never ! and you need to find a better shop that's highway robbery
@@eagleeye8916 That, my friend is BMW themselves. According to BMW, 6 months a year of temperatures in the 90s and higher isn't extreme and oil changes every 2 years or 24,000 km (16,000 miles) is just fine for a twin turbo straight 6 with 450-500hp but "if sir would like an oil change as part of his (already paid for) service plan of course we can oblige. That will be $350 please."
I'd buy a Lexus any day over a BMW or Mercedes or Audi. Plenty of smooth power, lots of luxury AND high quality mechanical components built to last. If you're a used car buyer, ask yourself would you buy a BMW, Mercedes or Audi with 100k miles on it?? I wouldn't think twice about buying a Lexus? What's the old line?? There's nothing more expensive than a cheap German car.
@@RicardasV No, they are still the most realiable of that bunch. The very latest ones of course there is no relevant stats of yet. But I havent seen anything implicating any changes.
@@martinsvensson6884 Well, I would not agree. Had 2 of them and there was some problems all the time. Now switched to Lexus and forgotten about breakages. Currently driving my second RX and cannot be happier.
It’s interesting the Germans have always been ahead of the curve when it came to pinnacles of technology speed performance this goes back to World War II when the Germans indubitably had the best tanks unfortunately they were so unreliable and over engineered they ended up not being efficient in terms of production and use of the high technology incorporating them and they broke down on the way to the battlefield
Yes..the tracks on the 63 ton King Tiger wore out in 90 miles. Panther tanks blew their transmissions because they were not strong enough. And swapping an engine of a Tiger took 3 days (it was a 2 hour job on a Sherman).
Owned a 2002 Yaris back in 2008 here in the UK,had it for 14yrs,best car i ever got. Only spent £300 in all those years,mid & back exhaust £80 (ebay) front brake pads £30 in a salefrom eurcar parts (Brembo) and had the aux belt done. Serviced every year as normal with what ever needs doing,as per interval. I put Magnatec in it,made it so much quieter! It was quiet before with no issues,never had any issues.
This perfectly explained why Lexus ISF holds its value so well after more than 10 years, even a 2011 MY can still sell for over 50k Canadian without price inflation right now. Good video, glad to see a local TH-camr, hi from Edmonton.
I mean that car is different bc it was so rare u cant compare that car to normal bmw’s but even so the e46 m3 is going up back up and certain bmw models such as the 1m are holding there value
With increasing age, experience and wisdom the reliability, durability and dependability of owning a Lexus brings me peace of mind. If I need a rental then I might just take the BMW ;)
The difference is German engineering, it was good 60 years ago. But it’s well past it’s prime and now surpassed by Japan and Korean and American makes. The ultimate loosing machine.
They've all been the same tech and nothing has really changed, imho. Germans give you torque down low, where it matters for driving. The Japanese and Korean vehicles give you torque above 4k, where reliability matters. Torque down low puts a ton of stress on components, but it's definitely where most people like it.
The electrical parts of the water-cooled alternator are not actually in water, they're inside a housing that is incorporated as part of the cooling system.
@@rollydoucet8909,stop trying to make sense of dumb unneeded technology.its not needed,stock regular alternators can last well over 10 years or longer,well I own a Toyota,it'll probably last the life of the car.
It's beyond that simple thought: it's a cultural thing as well. Shame has a lot to do with how the Japanese people act, think, and work. Apparently not so much in Germany.
Many Japanese companies adopted W. E. Deming’s management and quality control techniques wholeheartedly, and Toyota seems to have become most dedicated to them. Not so popular elsewhere…
I used to be a lexus fanboy until I test drove a BMW for the hell of it. Now I completely understand. I actually look forward to driving my vehicle now, it's a highlight of my day. With lexus I usually didn't even think about my drive at all. I'm just going to be sure that I get rid of the BMW while it's still BMW's problem to fix it XD.
Same here. Bought the X3M40i last March and I'm still exited as the first day I got it out of the dealership. Always looking forward for the next drive
If you live in the BMW world always lease! That’s what wealthy people do with them. If you do buy one used off warranties make sure you own the following: 1) ideally a lift or a jack and jack stands and either a home with a garage or driveway 2) Basic hand Tools! Plus some specialized tools (it’s BMW) 3) The Vehicles Bentley Manual 3a) Technician Service Manual 4) Specialized software to code certain parts and diagnose codes (INPA) 5) Time! 6) AAA Roadside Assistance 7) A spare vehicle 8) Minimum of $2,000 reserved monthly for original parts. 9) A willingness to search and ship existing broken parts overseas (Europe) due to it being discontinued by BMW.
Great idea and one that I have followed 15 years ago . Too much money to keep on the road long term. My 4 Lexus vehicles all have 100k and I can't get rid of them.
Lexus is way more reliable than any BMW. The early-to-mid-2010's RX 350 mid-size crossover with the six-speed automatic transmission with sport mode is one of the best vehicles ever made. The late-2010's model just looks hideous to me.
I've got a Bmw 2015 428 and all my service intervals have always been set at 7500 miles. I bought mine 3 years old and saved 50% from original price and at 160,000 miles I've never had a single issue ever. German cars definitely have a different feel but I have to admit my 2006 Mitsubishi Evo Mr. was by far the most fun I've ever had behind the wheel. Lexus' are basically for pretend racers if you get a performance model, my wife has had 2 and despite great reliability I hate driving them.
Having owned a Lexus IS and 428i, there is an obvious difference in what these vehicles aim to accomplish. The BMW is a lot more engaging to drive and I definitely prefer it to the Lexus. But the Lexus was built well and obviously had its benefits. It was a comfortable cruiser and I know having this BMW is going to cost me in the long run. There is no doubt that the driving experience is better in the Bimmer. Had a Harley for 10 years and switched to a Ducati Diavel. Same thing, I know the Duke is going to cost me in the long run, but the experience is far better on the Ducati.
That’s what Lexus haters owners don’t understand Lexus can be more reliable but it doesn’t drive,looks and gives you what a BMW delivers we see this Japanese a attempt to compete but in luxury segment reliability is not important enough for many of us !!! Love my Benz and Japanese don’t have nothing the I like to challenge my vehicle!!
If Lexus made an equally enjoyable car to drive with a cutting edge interior, I think they’d be onto something. As you said a lot of German luxury car buyers are there for a reason as cars like Lexus, will drive like a Toyota with extra trim and leather. Similarly, I wish the German cars found a way to improve their reliability credentials - sometimes you don’t need to be the most reliable but improved enough that the trade off is worth it for the driving experience to a greater proportion of customers than it is today (i.e. win over potential Lexus customers who are on the fence)
Toyota Corollas sedans are built in Thailand for the Australian market and they’ve been some of the most reliable cars on the market, so are the locally made Camrys until 2017. If a carmaker wants to maintain high quality standards around the world, they can if they genuinely wish to make an effort.
According to an article I read in Consumer Reports, Lexus cars have been known to last over 1,000,000 if well maintained. I personally am not demanding of my cars when it comes to performance and my priorities are in the order 1) reliability 2) Safety 3) Comfort 4) Cost 5) Performance. For this reason Lexus is the only luxury brand I would even consider, but I would never part with my inherited from grandmother 1999 Town Car unless it got totaled. Lexus cars are great and all, but in my opinion the Town Car is the King of all cars and can make it to 300,000 miles as well. Seriously, compared to other sedans It's like driving an Imperial Star Destroyer down the road while everyone else is in an x-wing or Corellian Corvette.
I have a Tacoma. It gets the oil changed every 5000 miles. There’s a TH-cam certified Toyota mechanic that says the oil should be changed every 5000 miles and transmission fluid every 60,000 miles even though Toyota says it’s a life time fluid!
My first and only BMW as a 1999 323i. I had list of issues that the dealer just couldn't seem to fix permanently, they would put the same part back and the issue would come back. At some point they stopped writing up tickets and just gave me the car back each time with no paper work. So it could be that BMW successfully hides issues and number or repairs from the engineering teams and that's why they don't get addressed. So they just keep making cars with the same problems through the entire production cycle of the model. I had to get rid of the BMW after 2 years because it was just to dangerous to drive. By comparison my Toyota Camry went 160k miles with only two minor repairs beyond normal maintenance items like battery and tires. I think the rear break pads were still the factory ones! Oh, and no rotor dust on my wheels like on the BMW.
Average maintenance and the Lexus will go well over 300,000 miles. The BMW's MAINTENANCE requires well over average upkeep and you know it. That is the difference.
@@PGO_Gaming I own a BMW and it’s reliability has been good to me. Again you gotta own these cars to fully understand. Then again we’re in North America so they’re gonna charge us an arm an a leg to make a buck. If we were in Europe than it’s a different story. I know some people who have BMW’s and have well reached 300k miles. Very good cars (the old ones not the new ones).
I change my oil every 5,000 miles,anything longer your asking for sludge build up,oil is cheap,engines aren't,toyota antifreeze interval is 5 years/75,000 miles
@@-xYz--nk1gm diesel and gasoline engines are 2 different animals, that why you didn't have any problems, do it in a gasoline engine and let me know how you make out.
This might be an unpopular thing to say on this BMW-bashing channel but I've owned several BMWs and the biggest problem I've ever had has been a broken motor for there electric window on the driver's side. I got them serviced regularly and didn't abuse any of them and they never let me down. Like anything, if you look after it then it will serve you well.
Lol I always feel like these channels that bring out Lexus against the German automakers reignites some sort of inferiority complex that Lexus drivers feel. They always feel the need to one-up when no one really cares.
The issue is statistics isn’t on your side. Looking at isolated anecdotes are useless, but looking at the large scale picture Lexuses have one of the highest levels of long-term reliability in the industry and BMW ranks below average.
@@User-cb4jm sure, it’s well-known about the reliability of Lexus. I’m not arguing that they aren’t. What I’m saying is that, people know this about BMWs and they don’t really care and continue to buy them. I’ve only driven German cars and have never had any issues with them. But that’s because I take care of my cars. My guess is that the statistics may be due to the fact that most people who buy German cars just can’t afford to take care of them, hence the reliability issues. Granted, that doesn’t account for engine issues that are not the fault of the drivers. But Toyota and several other manufacturers are no strangers to those issues arising when they use subpar engine parts, etc. They just improve the parts and fix the mistakes for the next generation of engine.
Great video for guys like me, that know very little about BMW's, except that they are fun to drive. Thank you for the information. I've been driving Hondas for the past 20 years, and have been pretty happy with them. Never had one leave me sitting on the side of the road, and they run like new, even when they have a lot of miles on them , if you just do basic maintenance. The part where you said BMW had 15,000 mile oil change intervals? WoW! That's insane. Not many oils could hold up that far, and the first thought that came to mind was the filter disintegrating, just like you said. I probably over maintain my vehicle, change oil and filter between 5 and 7k miles, and change all other fluids as well pretty regularly. It has worked well for me. Cheap insurance. Had my eye on a used BMW, but will hold off now, and get me a new Acura TL S-type, when I have enough saved for a decent down payment. Thanks again for sharing all that valuable information.
Great vid! There is also a major issue, which you mentioned at the end. Lack of maintenance from the owner....AND most of these owners think they are racing drivers. I've never seen a Lexus-driver going crazy on the road.
Great video! Thanks for getting into the specifics and why there's the reliability difference. Current car: RX400h Sports Luxury Next car: RX200t F Sport
I had a 2017 BMW M340ix and had just over 17,000 miles I traded it in on a used 2016 Lexus RX 350 Best thing I could have done As much as I loved the BMW it just didn’t seem the quality was there and was a huge disappointment Like the doors leaked air and very cold air during the winter months Even replacing the weather stripping didn’t help I was told a design flaw And because I want this car to last me a very long time I got anxious over the turbo I got the Lexus and let me tell you the huge difference in the quality of the whole automobile Quiet, air tight smooth riding and so much easier to get in and out of My only regret was not getting a new one. I have had other BMW and the others I had were a much better quality even the convertibles but be had didn’t leak as much air as this 340 did and it cost about twice the amount of my others
I work on my own vehicles and i dont see a difference between toyota and bmw when it comes to reliability. It all matters how it was treated and maintained before. I love my m3s. I cant complain though. I dont wanna start seeing people in bmws like i see people in corollas or camrys. Everywhere.
You’re exactly right. The issue with most people is that they either don’t care to maintain the car or can’t afford to do so. I’ve only driven German cars since I was a teen and I’ve always maintained the cars well and have never had any major issues outside of regular maintenance.
Most german vehicles are built around "Planned obsolesce" and BMW is no different. BMW is like milk(short expiry date), and Lexus are wine (Get better as they age)
BMW cars have been junk for decades now ,until they change there culture it will stay that way. One of my friends has two Alfa Romeos he says they are far more reliable that any BMW he has ever owned.
Definitely agree. Now the older BMW's are a different story. I owned everything from a 1986 325i; 1981 520i, 1989 525 & and a 1993 325. All Europe spec & fantastic cars without all the gadget's. Different story nowadays 🤷♂️
I am actually looking to upgrade my Accord Coupe V6 Touring as I am now living in rural Alberta. Looking at Lexus IS350 F Sport AWD, Genesis G70/G80 AWD, Infiniti Q60/Q50 Red Sport.
Spot on on this subject and reasons. 5K miles should be max for oil change using quality synthetic oil. Especially for performance cars with smaller forced induction engines. Lots of longevity and reliability failure problems stem from more cheap plastic and other materials more than design like you said, and yes, heat. Performance cars are fun, and inspiring, especially if you don't drive them a lot and wear them down faster, because when they do, and break diwn, it's huge expense in parts and labor snd headaches. Great videos. 👍
My BMW X5 taught me how to hate. I didn’t know what hate was until I owned a bmw. Another thing I’d like to mention is the stuck up repugnant dealership experience at any bmw dealership. They treat you like absolute crap unless your clothes cost a couple grand. Absolutely repugnant people. The entire lot of em.
BMW is an ultimate driving machine. No doubt about it! Far more exciting products than anything from Japan or recently Korea. Reliability might be a different story. Lease German, buy Japanese...simple?
To tell you the absolute truth, now a day w/o Japanese parts, German cannot make a single car; but w/o German parts, Japanese can make any cars! This is the difference and the truth. .
To each is own. I’m a BMW owner, yes I bought my bmws. Do I admit they are costly to Maintain, yes. Do I worry about high miles, …yes. In life, you should enjoy what you want as it’s very short. Nothing will last forever. Things that tend to be easier to do in life are usually not worth it in my opinion. The package you get from driving and being in a bmw is something I can’t explain. I’ve been in multiple vehicles and I can say I just don’t enjoy it as much. My opinion but yeah. If you are car Savvy, bmw can be fun doing your own repairs. Can save you money and will teach you how to work on one. Win win
BMW CAN LAST 300,000+, if you want to spend the $$$ ;). Lexus is overall a better buy, more reliable, cheaper maintenance and the biggest thing, low depreciation.
@@billhesford6098 all cars have huge depreciation. It’s all a matter of taste . All cars need TLC , some more then others. BMW makes A beautiful car. Do I admit they are a lot to maintain but in my opinion, it’s worth it.
@@chrisyeahyeah83 In went looking for a 2016 Toyota Prado recentley and they are almost as expensive as the day they left the factory. 70K! (Australia)
All the performance in the world means nothing if your cars is constantly in the shop or your sitting on the side of the road waiting for road side assistance. I'll take a Lexus over BMW anytime. If I was really concerned about more performance I'll find a reputable tuner for my Lexus. I'm willing to bet a tuned Lexus would still be more reliable than a BMW.
Brother with your experience you should have your own TV show that people call in for proper info on vehicles...enjoyed watching and listening to you...
I still haven't figure out how to make money grow on trees. I have been an BMW owner in the first X5 with every problem know to man kind on that car, I only give BMW that they drive nice. I will stick with my Lexus all day until I can afford to have problems in my transport. Great review, strait to the point. If you care about retiring confortable, listen to this review.
My comment has nothing to do with this post, but between this channel with Mark and Scotty, I love your page! On the weekend, I always have a coffee when I'm watching you. Very knowledgeable brother!
I wonder how long before BMW brings out their plastic engine block…. As far as the “lifetime coolant” that only refers to how long it takes for plastic cooling system components to warp and/or crack and leak out the coolant ⚠️
The BMW* Supra is the most interesting concept yet. Time will tell… perhaps they’ll work together to combine the ultimate-driving-machine with the ultimate-reliability and dominate all the other automotive manufacturers.
Thank you again Thomas. Have a great day.interesting car I stumbled across and I will reveal it on the VLOG this weekend. Quite a machine and a work of art really.
BMW e46 330i 200k miles. Had the car since 60k. Oil changes at 15k. Did all maintenance myself. Leave BMW to us diy mechanics. Only buy inline 6 if wanted.
🤔, yes toyota Lexus and other Japanese cars such as Honda Acura, Nissan xfinity are very reliable cars, easy to maintain and affordable! Comparing with Germans HIGH END LUXURY PERFORMANCE VEHICLES such as BMWS, AUDIS, BENZS, PORCHES, VOLKSWAGEN, BENTLEYS, ROLLS ROYCE, RANGE ROVERS. I would no say that’s a fare comparison. Just saying 🤷♂️.
Seriously though. Who wants to drive any car up to 300k miles? I've put almost $10k in repairs on my Toyota Tacoma and it was never the engine. Everything breaks down eventually and I don't mind paying for more expensive parts for a more luxurious vehicle. A Lexus is just a deceptive Toyota sold at the price of a BMW. Who's the fool? A Honda Civic is "reliable" too. Why not compare Lexus to that?
As crappy as my BMWs have been, so have my Toyotas. They suck in different ways. My Toyotas were reliable, but not durable. The syncros always broke way too early, the engines were way too small, causing you to rev the snot out of them which created early compression loss, making even less power, and the plasticy interior quality is awful. You can't find old Toyota classic cars without 100% disintegrated interiors, and there are only a few of those. My four toyotas were all scrapped. The worst was my MR2 which gave up the ghost at 85K miles after spinning 6500 RPM in 5th to go 75 mph. BMWs at least used to be made well, so old ones are viable. Jag has been the only quality build I've owned in 40 years of car buying. Bottom line, Toyotas are built to win a price war for people who view a car as a commodity. They are built to be as low cost as possible, creating a reliable but weak product. Most never drive their cars hard, so it works great as basic transpo. If you want to push or tune, its a ground-up rebuild. In fairness Toyota-Lexus doesn't make performance cars anymore. BMW makes cars to win a best value comparison. But BMW has severe reliability problems after the sale. Catastrophic problems.
All down to what you value, I want reliability and tech that actually works... I went from VW to Mercedes and back to VW..in 20 years of driving this year I bought a 'used' Lexus RX450h.. best car I've ever had.... only added extra extended warranty and service pack.. I like the look of some BMW's but have never wanted one. I want piece of mind. No turbo charges... the hybrid battery and 3.5l V6 has plenty of get up and go... the techi luxury stuff all still works.. best of both worlds.
@@songasa9913 F-Types are fantastic cars. My 7Y/100K warranty went unused, and I beat the living crap out of this thing. Every day.
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regarding the "turbo heat" - just wrap the exhaust tubing in thermal insulation => hot exhaust (energy) but further from engine heat and inject water into the intake....
Yes, one thing is protecting the rest of the engine from the turbo heat. The other issue with these Hot V turbos is that the oil is getting very hot while flowing through the turbos. It deteriorates way faster. The entire concept seems questionable, you get almost instant turbo response, but the engine won't last long and requires frequent maintenance.
What am I missing? According to your litre description, there are 89 hp/litre on the normally aspirated 3.5 litre v-6 which suggests 311.5 hp. However the V-6 advertised HP is 270-275, up to 295 on the newer models. I am looking at a 2014 which advertises 270 hp which is a far cry from 311 hp. So where am I wrong? Is it my math ( always a 4 letter word for me ), or something else? I am looking for a reliable suv that will last me a very long time without a lot of problems and the 2014 is something that checks a lot of boxes for me. Any help is appreciated. Thank you and keep these great videos coming.
I had a BMW 2004 530i and it was complete trash. Worst financial decision I ever made since every month I had the hideous warning bells go off alerting me of a new issue. Needless to say I own 2 lexus vehicles and a Honda S2000. However I also own an e46m3 since it’s a classic…lol
Yes, the later versions with the B48 as yours has and the B58 straight six are much better than previous cars. Enjoy the new car, they are nice machines indeed. The n54 I would wish on an enemy. Cheers.
I’m confused. The title of this channel hints that we shouldn’t drive boring cars. Yet he’s constantly a banner waiver for the most boring brand ever conceived: Toyota and Lexus. Something’s amiss. I’ll keep my BMW’s and you can have your plastic, outdated, interiors, 4 cylinder engines, and cvt transmissions.
BMW is a toy, Lexus is a purchase. If you want a car that is your own, you buy a Lexus. If you want a car that you'll trade in, or give back to the dealership, you buy a BMW. The reliability alone sets the BMW back. Whenever you hear a person say, I'll keep the BMW until____miles and then send it back to the dealership, you know the Lexus is better.
Interesting video. Thank you. So I own a 2014 Lexus ES. You think an oil change every 10k miles with full synthetic oil has a pushing it? What do you recommend?
I think Beamers, Benzes, and Audis compete with each other. Lexus doesn't get into all of those competition games. I think Lexus has a firm understanding of their target demographic and sticks with the tried and true. The tortoise vs the hare...a reliable and faithful wife vs the flashy and wild mistress/side-piece.
I'll take the wild hot chick all day/night. But there's more to it. Jag F-Types don't rust (theres one small steel guard plate, mine looks perfect after 8 years), they use the same transmission as an $800K Rolls Royce, they tune to 700HP without creating issues, you can abuse them daily and drag race weekly with no breakage or even change over time, they are amazingly refined, super comfortable, built like tanks, a little too heavy, fast as hell cars that are unbeatable off the line (AWD) or from a roll (RWD).
BMW nor Toyota-Lexus has an analog.
What do you talk about? Lexus was first with driver monitoring system, self-parking, LED headlights, adaptive high-beam headlights, first V8 hybrid, Active Steering Assist, digital door mirrors, aero-ventilating wheels, first car to get under 56db, world-first climate control system which uses infra-red sensors, first car in the world to have satellite navigation fitted, world’s first eight-speed automatic transmission, first car in the world to be fitted with a twin-chamber front passenger airbag, world’s first silencer plate for a hybrid powertrain, first car in the industry to feature a low reflection windscreen, world’s first electronically controlled variable valve timing system on the intake camshafts, Laser-screw welding,
first car ever to offer a six-disc CD auto-changer, under-seat suspension system.
What are you talking about
@@epoxy1710
There is only one feature: torque.
Hahahah. Well Said Sir👍🏻😆
I'm an ass man
I’m driving BMW. I like how it handle but i hate its platic parts. Luxury but too much plastic and problems. Shame on BMW.
Thanks and I totally agree. I own a couple and love the drive but the repairs are very costly and frequent
That precisely why I say: LEASE a Beemer or BUY a Lexus. You can find very cheap 5-10 yr old Beemers but Lexus (and Toyota) will hold their value because they simply last...
@marks90004 So true. Even 2012 Lexus IS sell for in the 20k range. My uncle still has his 92 Lexus LS and she's running strong. He bought it new in 1992.
As a BMW owner, these are facts. I love the e90 3 series, but fucking hell have I changed almost everything under the hood. Next car will be an Lexus IS300h
Every manufacturer has their weak points, but I tend to have more faith in the way the Japanese design and build cars.
Toyota is their Airbags
Toyota and their airbags?
Boring grocery getter cars one settles for lmao
If only Toyota could find decent designers for their cars.
Honda Pilot 2003 , runs as new , still. This is a vouch for HONDA . Regular oil and other fluid change is a key . Cheers mate !
Back in 1977 just out of high school, I worked for a car leasing company in Los Angeles. It was nice working there because I got to drive all the fancy cars I could never afford to drive. I wasn’t really into cars so much, and never even knew what a BMW was. When I got to drive my first 320i. WOW, that thing was tight! Steering was a dream, twisty roads and corners were a blast!! But as you said, the bean counters are the big problem, now at 63 I drive a Lexus.
You're right about the 320i. The first BMW I bought was a second hand 2005 320i. I still have it and use it as a winter car. I has nearly 300,000 kilometers and the engine sounds like it's still new. My other two BMW's are for pleasure trips, and they've never seen winter-salted roads.
@@rollydoucet8909 that’s a lot of kilometres for BMW. Amazing to hear about this
@@samyadav006 I'm in the auto service business, located in the country, where people are accustomed to driving great distances and the cars accumulate very high millage. The determining factor for long engine life is a good oil change schedule. Don't follow the auto makers' oil change requirements, the auto makers like to sell cars.
@@rollydoucet8909 thank you for taking time to give this info. I’m pretty known to this I got a Camry as a daily driving (which you can see on my channel if you like) and 2010 CRV I do regular maintenance check and oil check on time maybe around every 5K and they are runnings great hope they always show me great times ahead.
If “some” automakers do care about there cars why they make there cars with such complex engine designs and in result which didn’t last long
@@samyadav006 Do whatever you can to extend the service life of a vehicle. Once a car is paid for, and if it is kept in good condition, it starts paying you back. Every year that you aren't making monthly car payments is a free year, in a manner of speaking.
1. Quality 0:37
2. Service Intervals 2:06
3. Performance 4:48
4. Engineering 7:07
You just saved me a pain in the ass!! Considering Lexus as my next purchase
Cheers
Go for it. Even used. Just buy the extended warranty.. you will love it. I have a black Lexus RX450h F-Sport with red leather.. this thing is very fast but also economical. With all the luxury stuff..
I’d go for a Tesla model 3, prob some build quality issues, but otherwise no maintenance, and better to drive. Also better value
Now hold on a minute a very high end toyota camry xle or xse hybrid or non hybrid is still extremely nice and should be an option.
I would consider getting a camry xle or xse hybrid which is high tech but extremely reliable too as toytas ecvt is proven tough and it's extremely fuel efficient like 47mpg while having a beautiful creme or red perforated leather interior as standard on the higher end models for just 30-32k and it doesn't look like a boring car.
The new camry looks super sleek and sharp unlike the last generation. I'd hold on the Lexus consider a premium grade 4 cyl fwd camry. Don't bother with the v6 and AWD it's not worth it. The 4 cyl and fwd is better and I drove it. It's surprisingly quick and even more reliable. If you ever have to do spark plugs, chains, head gasket, intake and exhaust gaskets or manifold ect having 1 engine bank of 4 cylinders is better than 2 banks each having 3 cylinders that makes up a v6. Consider the premium grade Camry and go look at some at the dealer.
I purchase a Lexus is300 Fsport and lovee it! With extended warranty up to 90k miles !!! Thanks
I dont care if the BMW is more fun and engaging. The moment I step away from the car I would be regretting getting it cause I'm always worrying about the future. I could never enjoy a car unless it's a Honda, Acura, Toyota, or Lexus. I get peace of mind.
At least Honda is a lot better then Toyota lexus:D
"BMW's (and Mercedes, Jaguar, Porsche and Range Rover) are endless money pits after the warranty runs out. Lease one for three years and get it out of your system" Scotty Kilmer
LOL
But they are endless money pits 🤣. Unless you can replace parts easily
They’re only money pits if you don’t have the money to maintain them. I had a 2013 Audi A4 for 8 years, sold it with 145k miles. The only expenses I ever had were oil changes and headlight bulbs. Did a tune up at 100k and car still runs beautifully. Not to mention that I also maintained the interior and all of the materials held up like new. So it really comes down to whether you have the resources to maintain. Oil change intervals at 10-15k miles is ridiculous. I always did mine at 7.5k to 8.5k
@@kevind4946 theyre good cars but a Lexus gives you most of the same luxury but with a reliable car that’ll last you forever and never leave you hanging.
@@805fillmore Lexus can never compete with a BEEMER in terms of performance. If you are only looking for RELIABILITY then go for local brands (depending on your country) they are cheaper to maintain.
@@fanaticcoder3320 if you want performance why buy a BEEMER and not like a Dodge Challenger or mustang with a V8? Also I live in USA all the local brands(Ford,Chevy, dodge etc) make UNRELIABLE cars. All my American cars have had reliability issues. Now Lexus gives me a nice luxurious car and reliability.
Save yourself from headaches…buy a Toyota, Lexus, Honda or Acura. You’ll thank yourself when you see german cars having to wait for road side assistance. I know i did.
Yes, and add I'll some Infiniti cars. That is before Renault bought them out.
I hear good things about genesis as well
Mazda
I know i had a BMW 528 xi and it was a real lemon. Today i have an Acura TL and it is rock solid. I can spend my money elsewhere. I am in love with the Maserati Ghibli but i am very scared as it reminds me of my beemer.
@@jacquesouanounou6906 Run FAR far away from anything with the Maserati name unless you enjoy endless grief and incomprehensible frustrations. Mechanic Here
Had a honda for 14 years now. When the day comes I have to change. Then a Lexus or Toyota yes. A BMW absolutely no way. For exactly the reasons mentioned in video.
Then why not go back to buying a Honda? Is it (the problem) what I think it is? Cause once my car gets sold, I'm done with Honda too. Then were once good and had their heads in the game. Not so much anymore
You can’t go wrong with Honda or Toyota
@marks90004 no, I had a starter motor and valve gasket cover issues
@marks90004 Honda = oil dilution issues, especially the newer gdi engines, dream engines
@marks90004 it's only an 8 year old car too. That's been the only issues other than general maintenance. 133k miles on it. I'm juss waiting till car 🚗 prices get back to normal to get another one
Lease the BMW, own the Lexus. Or own both but only drive the BMW on the weekends. Or if the Lexus you own happens to be an LFA, only drive that one on weekends ... when the weather is really nice.
A BMW or MB lease only makes sense if you're a millionaire and a $1,000 a month lease is like nothing.
Toyota wants more customers by having a reputation for reliability.
They’re boring
@@Natethegreat200c so are modern BMWs, they are sterile and lack personality
@@Natethegreat200c And so is your mother!
@@non-fictionaltoughguy1208 I won’t disagree with that. That’s why there’s Alfa Romeo. And before you say anything about reliability check with owners online. Since they’re lumped In with Chrysler they all get a false bad reputation.
@@Natethegreat200c before my 2020 giulia had 19,000 miles on it it was stuck at the service shop for a week, lost the ability to change drive modes. That being said if you do go for a giulia, they’re very fun cars when they work. If your state has only 2 dealers that service them like mine does though, probably best to take your money elsewhere
Very true about BMW oil change intervals. Here in Western Australia where the climate is considered extreme in summer, I had an F80M3 Competition. The BMW recommended oil change interval for the S55 3.0 straight 6 twin turbo engine in the M3 was 2 years or 24,000 km! When I asked for oil changes every 6 months, BMW said it was outside the service contract. I still had my oil changed every 6 months but BMW charged me $350 each time. After owning BMWs for more than 30 years, I no longer have one and will never buy another one.
$350 for each oil change. What a rip off. A 5 quart jug of bmw approved oil is almost never above $25 and a filter is about $10 and it's not labor intensive. What a stealership.
You're either crazy to for BMW oil. I get Motul oil which is superior oil for half the cost. And that includes labor.
@@cthis4786 The M3 was under warranty so I had to stick to the BMW sponsored product. But no more BMW for me!
If your using synthetic oil its usually every 5,000 miles and if using regular oil its every 3,000 . If your driving your car hard then you should change it even earlier . 24,000 miles ? I would never ! and you need to find a better shop that's highway robbery
@@eagleeye8916 That, my friend is BMW themselves. According to BMW, 6 months a year of temperatures in the 90s and higher isn't extreme and oil changes every 2 years or 24,000 km (16,000 miles) is just fine for a twin turbo straight 6 with 450-500hp but "if sir would like an oil change as part of his (already paid for) service plan of course we can oblige. That will be $350 please."
I'd buy a Lexus any day over a BMW or Mercedes or Audi. Plenty of smooth power, lots of luxury AND high quality mechanical components built to last. If you're a used car buyer, ask yourself would you buy a BMW, Mercedes or Audi with 100k miles on it?? I wouldn't think twice about buying a Lexus? What's the old line?? There's nothing more expensive than a cheap German car.
The only car I would buy with more than 150k miles are MBs. Highest miles of all brands before junked.
@@martinsvensson6884 You talking about the old MB I believe. Cause the new ones are the same as BMW's or Audi's...
@@RicardasV No, they are still the most realiable of that bunch. The very latest ones of course there is no relevant stats of yet. But I havent seen anything implicating any changes.
@@martinsvensson6884 Well, I would not agree. Had 2 of them and there was some problems all the time. Now switched to Lexus and forgotten about breakages. Currently driving my second RX and cannot be happier.
@@RicardasV Same here but MB :) Never had such problems.
It’s interesting the Germans have always been ahead of the curve when it came to pinnacles of technology speed performance this goes back to World War II when the Germans indubitably had the best tanks unfortunately they were so unreliable and over engineered they ended up not being efficient in terms of production and use of the high technology incorporating them and they broke down on the way to the battlefield
Of course they are the best even Mercedes 4 cylinder no turbo can last 800,000miles
"Factory? This is oberleutnant Klink...what do you mean, 'I have to bring the panzer in for warranty work'?"
They only had the best tanks late in the war. Early on, the Soviet T-34 was superior.
Yes..the tracks on the 63 ton King Tiger wore out in 90 miles. Panther tanks blew their transmissions because they were not strong enough. And swapping an engine of a Tiger took 3 days (it was a 2 hour job on a Sherman).
rather than german technology quality, it was and still more of german propaganda quality which is (mis)leading the image etc.
Owned a 2002 Yaris back in 2008 here in the UK,had it for 14yrs,best car i ever got. Only spent £300 in all those years,mid & back exhaust £80 (ebay) front brake pads £30 in a salefrom eurcar parts (Brembo) and had the aux belt done. Serviced every year as normal with what ever needs doing,as per interval. I put Magnatec in it,made it so much quieter! It was quiet before with no issues,never had any issues.
This perfectly explained why Lexus ISF holds its value so well after more than 10 years, even a 2011 MY can still sell for over 50k Canadian without price inflation right now. Good video, glad to see a local TH-camr, hi from Edmonton.
Thank you very much Adam for reaching out. Hi as well, and great to hear from a fellow Edmontonian, cheers
@@adamsi7005 a rising tide lifts all ships. Imagine paying 18k for an 8 year old Accord. *drops the 🎤 🎙*
I mean that car is different bc it was so rare u cant compare that car to normal bmw’s but even so the e46 m3 is going up back up and certain bmw models such as the 1m are holding there value
With increasing age, experience and wisdom the reliability, durability and dependability of owning a Lexus brings me peace of mind. If I need a rental then I might just take the BMW ;)
Perfectly said ! I'm a Benz mechanic of 37yrs and it's Japanese cars for me. People are always amazed...
The difference is German engineering, it was good 60 years ago. But it’s well past it’s prime and now surpassed by Japan and Korean and American makes. The ultimate loosing machine.
They've all been the same tech and nothing has really changed, imho. Germans give you torque down low, where it matters for driving. The Japanese and Korean vehicles give you torque above 4k, where reliability matters.
Torque down low puts a ton of stress on components, but it's definitely where most people like it.
Bmw does over engineered technology, like a water cooled alternator,why put water near electricity......
Thanks and I agree
The electrical parts of the water-cooled alternator are not actually in water, they're inside a housing that is incorporated as part of the cooling system.
@@rollydoucet8909,stop trying to make sense of dumb unneeded technology.its not needed,stock regular alternators can last well over 10 years or longer,well I own a Toyota,it'll probably last the life of the car.
@@djdev3077 You are way off base. I was explaining why the alternator is in a liquid-cooled chamber in a particular application so enjoy your Toyota.
Never drive a used out of warranty BMW. Your asking for a terrible amount of trouble
Because Lexus is the luxury division of TOYOTA!!!!!!!! JAPANESE RELIABILITY!!!!!!!
100 percent
It's beyond that simple thought: it's a cultural thing as well. Shame has a lot to do with how the Japanese people act, think, and work. Apparently not so much in Germany.
Many Japanese companies adopted W. E. Deming’s management and quality control techniques wholeheartedly, and Toyota seems to have become most dedicated to them. Not so popular elsewhere…
Actually a bunch are made on Canada and equally as reliable. It's just tick controls and they wait to adopt technology before implementing it
I used to be a lexus fanboy until I test drove a BMW for the hell of it. Now I completely understand. I actually look forward to driving my vehicle now, it's a highlight of my day. With lexus I usually didn't even think about my drive at all. I'm just going to be sure that I get rid of the BMW while it's still BMW's problem to fix it XD.
You nailed it and that’s how the charm bites us
Lease BMW
Same here. Bought the X3M40i last March and I'm still exited as the first day I got it out of the dealership. Always looking forward for the next drive
If you live in the BMW world always lease! That’s what wealthy people do with them.
If you do buy one used off warranties make sure you own the following:
1) ideally a lift or a jack and jack stands and either a home with a garage or driveway
2) Basic hand Tools! Plus some specialized tools (it’s BMW)
3) The Vehicles Bentley Manual
3a) Technician Service Manual
4) Specialized software to code certain parts and diagnose codes (INPA)
5) Time!
6) AAA Roadside Assistance
7) A spare vehicle
8) Minimum of $2,000 reserved monthly for original parts.
9) A willingness to search and ship existing broken parts overseas (Europe) due to it being discontinued by BMW.
Great idea and one that I have followed 15 years ago . Too much money to keep on the road long term. My 4 Lexus vehicles all have 100k and I can't get rid of them.
Lexus is way more reliable than any BMW. The early-to-mid-2010's RX 350 mid-size crossover with the six-speed automatic transmission with sport mode is one of the best vehicles ever made. The late-2010's model just looks hideous to me.
True and they are almost indestructable
Absolutely
Yeah but that center console and gear shifter was hideous
@@cashmerethoughts8096 so you’d argue for a supremely unreliable vehicle as long as it has a gorgeous center console and shifter?
@@BoogieBoyBronx basically………. Those older rx’s are ugly center dash
I've got a Bmw 2015 428 and all my service intervals have always been set at 7500 miles. I bought mine 3 years old and saved 50% from original price and at 160,000 miles I've never had a single issue ever. German cars definitely have a different feel but I have to admit my 2006 Mitsubishi Evo Mr. was by far the most fun I've ever had behind the wheel. Lexus' are basically for pretend racers if you get a performance model, my wife has had 2 and despite great reliability I hate driving them.
Having owned a Lexus IS and 428i, there is an obvious difference in what these vehicles aim to accomplish. The BMW is a lot more engaging to drive and I definitely prefer it to the Lexus. But the Lexus was built well and obviously had its benefits. It was a comfortable cruiser and I know having this BMW is going to cost me in the long run. There is no doubt that the driving experience is better in the Bimmer.
Had a Harley for 10 years and switched to a Ducati Diavel. Same thing, I know the Duke is going to cost me in the long run, but the experience is far better on the Ducati.
Great point, I totally agree, and I have also looked into buying a Diavel as well and it’s one of my faves too
That’s what Lexus haters owners don’t understand Lexus can be more reliable but it doesn’t drive,looks and gives you what a BMW delivers we see this Japanese a attempt to compete but in luxury segment reliability is not important enough for many of us !!! Love my Benz and Japanese don’t have nothing the I like to challenge my vehicle!!
If Lexus made an equally enjoyable car to drive with a cutting edge interior, I think they’d be onto something. As you said a lot of German luxury car buyers are there for a reason as cars like Lexus, will drive like a Toyota with extra trim and leather. Similarly, I wish the German cars found a way to improve their reliability credentials - sometimes you don’t need to be the most reliable but improved enough that the trade off is worth it for the driving experience to a greater proportion of customers than it is today (i.e. win over potential Lexus customers who are on the fence)
I believe it also has to do with the fact that the vast majority of Lexus cars are build in Japan where only 2 models are outsourced.
Toyota Corollas sedans are built in Thailand for the Australian market and they’ve been some of the most reliable cars on the market, so are the locally made Camrys until 2017. If a carmaker wants to maintain high quality standards around the world, they can if they genuinely wish to make an effort.
My friend who is working in BMW said to me "dont buy BMWs build after 2011" .
Apparently they started to save on parts and quality went downhill
According to an article I read in Consumer Reports, Lexus cars have been known to last over 1,000,000 if well maintained. I personally am not demanding of my cars when it comes to performance and my priorities are in the order 1) reliability 2) Safety 3) Comfort 4) Cost 5) Performance. For this reason Lexus is the only luxury brand I would even consider, but I would never part with my inherited from grandmother 1999 Town Car unless it got totaled. Lexus cars are great and all, but in my opinion the Town Car is the King of all cars and can make it to 300,000 miles as well. Seriously, compared to other sedans It's like driving an Imperial Star Destroyer down the road while everyone else is in an x-wing or Corellian Corvette.
Town cars are ok,but the airbag suspension isnt.
Lexus is the best luxury brand for the money
I have a Tacoma. It gets the oil changed every 5000 miles. There’s a TH-cam certified Toyota mechanic that says the oil should be changed every 5000 miles and transmission fluid every 60,000 miles even though Toyota says it’s a life time fluid!
My first and only BMW as a 1999 323i. I had list of issues that the dealer just couldn't seem to fix permanently, they would put the same part back and the issue would come back. At some point they stopped writing up tickets and just gave me the car back each time with no paper work. So it could be that BMW successfully hides issues and number or repairs from the engineering teams and that's why they don't get addressed. So they just keep making cars with the same problems through the entire production cycle of the model. I had to get rid of the BMW after 2 years because it was just to dangerous to drive. By comparison my Toyota Camry went 160k miles with only two minor repairs beyond normal maintenance items like battery and tires. I think the rear break pads were still the factory ones! Oh, and no rotor dust on my wheels like on the BMW.
Plastic hoses, plastic air intake, plastic radiator expansion tank, DiSA Valve... all of these parts fail prematurely in BMW
Any car can last over 300,000 miles. Again it’s all about MAINTENANCE. Not rocket science people.
Not all cars can last even 100,000 miles with maintenance, some cars are p.o.s by design and won't last
Average maintenance and the Lexus will go well over 300,000 miles. The BMW's MAINTENANCE requires well over average upkeep and you know it. That is the difference.
@@PGO_Gaming I own a BMW and it’s reliability has been good to me. Again you gotta own these cars to fully understand. Then again we’re in North America so they’re gonna charge us an arm an a leg to make a buck. If we were in Europe than it’s a different story. I know some people who have BMW’s and have well reached 300k miles. Very good cars (the old ones not the new ones).
I change my oil every 5,000 miles,anything longer your asking for sludge build up,oil is cheap,engines aren't,toyota antifreeze interval is 5 years/75,000 miles
Thanks for sharing and i agree, more frequent, the better will always help in the long run.
Great quote from Scotty Kilmer!
@@-xYz--nk1gm diesel and gasoline engines are 2 different animals, that why you didn't have any problems, do it in a gasoline engine and let me know how you make out.
@@-xYz--nk1gm ,and i bet the oil in your friends car isn't changed every 10,000 miles.
This might be an unpopular thing to say on this BMW-bashing channel but I've owned several BMWs and the biggest problem I've ever had has been a broken motor for there electric window on the driver's side. I got them serviced regularly and didn't abuse any of them and they never let me down. Like anything, if you look after it then it will serve you well.
Lol I always feel like these channels that bring out Lexus against the German automakers reignites some sort of inferiority complex that Lexus drivers feel. They always feel the need to one-up when no one really cares.
The issue is statistics isn’t on your side. Looking at isolated anecdotes are useless, but looking at the large scale picture Lexuses have one of the highest levels of long-term reliability in the industry and BMW ranks below average.
@@User-cb4jm sure, it’s well-known about the reliability of Lexus. I’m not arguing that they aren’t. What I’m saying is that, people know this about BMWs and they don’t really care and continue to buy them. I’ve only driven German cars and have never had any issues with them. But that’s because I take care of my cars. My guess is that the statistics may be due to the fact that most people who buy German cars just can’t afford to take care of them, hence the reliability issues. Granted, that doesn’t account for engine issues that are not the fault of the drivers. But Toyota and several other manufacturers are no strangers to those issues arising when they use subpar engine parts, etc. They just improve the parts and fix the mistakes for the next generation of engine.
Great video for guys like me, that know very little about BMW's, except that they are fun to drive. Thank you for the information. I've been driving Hondas for the past 20 years, and have been pretty happy with them. Never had one leave me sitting on the side of the road, and they run like new, even when they have a lot of miles on them , if you just do basic maintenance. The part where you said BMW had 15,000 mile oil change intervals? WoW! That's insane. Not many oils could hold up that far, and the first thought that came to mind was the filter disintegrating, just like you said. I probably over maintain my vehicle, change oil and filter between 5 and 7k miles, and change all other fluids as well pretty regularly. It has worked well for me. Cheap insurance. Had my eye on a used BMW, but will hold off now, and get me a new Acura TL S-type, when I have enough saved for a decent down payment. Thanks again for sharing all that valuable information.
Service intervals today are ridiculous. I service every 10000km or 6000.miles.
Great vid! There is also a major issue, which you mentioned at the end. Lack of maintenance from the owner....AND most of these owners think they are racing drivers. I've never seen a Lexus-driver going crazy on the road.
Cheers
I have a Lexus ES330 she runs great no problem at all my friend has a BMW one big headache repairs after repairs told him get rid of it ASAP !
Great video! Thanks for getting into the specifics and why there's the reliability difference.
Current car: RX400h Sports Luxury
Next car: RX200t F Sport
I had a 2017 BMW M340ix and had just over 17,000 miles
I traded it in on a used 2016 Lexus RX 350
Best thing I could have done
As much as I loved the BMW it just didn’t seem the quality was there and was a huge disappointment
Like the doors leaked air and very cold air during the winter months
Even replacing the weather stripping didn’t help
I was told a design flaw
And because I want this car to last me a very long time I got anxious over the turbo
I got the Lexus and let me tell you the huge difference in the quality of the whole automobile
Quiet, air tight smooth riding and so much easier to get in and out of
My only regret was not getting a new one.
I have had other BMW and the others I had were a much better quality even the convertibles but be had didn’t leak as much air as this 340 did and it cost about twice the amount of my others
Many years ago when I owned my first Lexus it was because at that time they had the fewest cars in shops for repairs.
I work on my own vehicles and i dont see a difference between toyota and bmw when it comes to reliability. It all matters how it was treated and maintained before. I love my m3s. I cant complain though. I dont wanna start seeing people in bmws like i see people in corollas or camrys. Everywhere.
Yup my dad taught me a lot of shit now I realize he buy quality parts for bmw the customers who own bmws they happy with it
You’re exactly right. The issue with most people is that they either don’t care to maintain the car or can’t afford to do so. I’ve only driven German cars since I was a teen and I’ve always maintained the cars well and have never had any major issues outside of regular maintenance.
Most german vehicles are built around "Planned obsolesce" and BMW is no different. BMW is like milk(short expiry date), and Lexus are wine (Get better as they age)
BMW cars have been junk for decades now ,until they change there culture it will stay that way. One of my friends has two Alfa Romeos he says they are far more reliable that any BMW he has ever owned.
At least my dad know how to get bmw and Mercedes reliably because he buy quality parts he’s not that cheap
Bottom line is- buy what you can afford.
Mark, your knowledge is amazing! Thank you.
I appreciate that! Thanks Wayne, thats much appreciated.
Meanwihle I'm sitting here with my BMW 325i N52 2006 running at 317.000 Km without problems, you just have to know how to maintain them properly.
Maybe I should have given mine a good night kiss every night because that may have been missing.
From its very inception, Lexus has shown BMW and Mercedes how to make a real luxury car.
After 30 years, seems the Germans never learned.
Definitely agree. Now the older BMW's are a different story. I owned everything from a 1986 325i; 1981 520i, 1989 525 & and a 1993 325. All Europe spec & fantastic cars without all the gadget's. Different story nowadays 🤷♂️
I am actually looking to upgrade my Accord Coupe V6 Touring as I am now living in rural Alberta. Looking at Lexus IS350 F Sport AWD, Genesis G70/G80 AWD, Infiniti Q60/Q50 Red Sport.
Genesis G70 great car.
Spot on on this subject and reasons. 5K miles should be max for oil change using quality synthetic oil. Especially for performance cars with smaller forced induction engines.
Lots of longevity and reliability failure problems stem from more cheap plastic and other materials more than design like you said, and yes, heat.
Performance cars are fun, and inspiring, especially if you don't drive them a lot and wear them down faster, because when they do, and break diwn, it's huge expense in parts and labor snd headaches. Great videos. 👍
We didn't need to watch the video to answer that question
Nicely presented and informative insight . Appreciated is absence of gimmick remarks or put- downs. Report reflects what product SHOWS.
Thanks for watching
Well done that's probably the best explanation I've ever heard regarding BMW vehicles
Excellent research 🧐 thank you for sharing 👊
Thank you very much for the support.
I'm sure you'll find a Lexus with at least 1 million miles...just ask Matt Farah.😁
Guaranteed to be a few out there
Who?
There’s a Lexus LS 400 that was featured on Tavarish with 1 million miles
My BMW X5 taught me how to hate. I didn’t know what hate was until I owned a bmw. Another thing I’d like to mention is the stuck up repugnant dealership experience at any bmw dealership. They treat you like absolute crap unless your clothes cost a couple grand. Absolutely repugnant people. The entire lot of em.
Thank you for sharing
@@ECPP you are welcome.
Hey man I been watching your videos for a while and even tho I liked your old intro , the new intro is pretty cool
Glad you enjoy it! Thanks lot for supporting Dennis, have an awesome weekend.
BMW is an ultimate driving machine.
No doubt about it! Far more exciting products than anything from Japan or recently Korea.
Reliability might be a different story.
Lease German, buy Japanese...simple?
To tell you the absolute truth, now a day w/o Japanese parts, German cannot make a single car; but w/o German parts, Japanese can make any cars!
This is the difference and the truth.
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Perception that BMW is the ultimate DRIVING machine , is easily overshadowed by Toyota and Honda ultimate QUALITY, long lasting vehicles.
To each is own.
I’m a BMW owner, yes I bought my bmws.
Do I admit they are costly to Maintain, yes.
Do I worry about high miles, …yes.
In life, you should enjoy what you want as it’s very short.
Nothing will last forever.
Things that tend to be easier to do in life are usually not worth it in my opinion.
The package you get from driving and being in a bmw is something I can’t explain.
I’ve been in multiple vehicles and I can say I just don’t enjoy it as much. My opinion but yeah.
If you are car Savvy, bmw can be fun doing your own repairs. Can save you money and will teach you how to work on one. Win win
BMW CAN LAST 300,000+, if you want to spend the $$$ ;). Lexus is overall a better buy, more reliable, cheaper maintenance and the biggest thing, low depreciation.
Depreciation and depression
@@billhesford6098 haha the I6s are fairly reliable. V8s are complete junk from BMW. Yup, Porsche is the best German option.
Thank you
@@billhesford6098 all cars have huge depreciation.
It’s all a matter of taste . All cars need TLC , some more then others. BMW makes
A beautiful car. Do I admit they are a lot to maintain but in my opinion, it’s worth it.
@@chrisyeahyeah83 In went looking for a 2016 Toyota Prado recentley and they are almost as expensive as the day they left the factory. 70K! (Australia)
All the performance in the world means nothing if your cars is constantly in the shop or your sitting on the side of the road waiting for road side assistance.
I'll take a Lexus over BMW anytime. If I was really concerned about more performance I'll find a reputable tuner for my Lexus. I'm willing to bet a tuned Lexus would still be more reliable than a BMW.
Brother with your experience you should have your own TV show that people call in for proper info on vehicles...enjoyed watching and listening to you...
I still haven't figure out how to make money grow on trees. I have been an BMW owner in the first X5 with every problem know to man kind on that car, I only give BMW that they drive nice. I will stick with my Lexus all day until I can afford to have problems in my transport. Great review, strait to the point. If you care about retiring confortable, listen to this review.
My comment has nothing to do with this post, but between this channel with Mark and Scotty, I love your page! On the weekend, I always have a coffee when I'm watching you. Very knowledgeable brother!
Thank you very much, that is really appreciated and that’s awesome, having the support. Cheers
I wonder how long before BMW brings out their plastic engine block…. As far as the “lifetime coolant” that only refers to how long it takes for plastic cooling system components to warp and/or crack and leak out the coolant ⚠️
I wonder why the Toyota Supra is a re-badged BMW then.
The BMW* Supra is the most interesting concept yet. Time will tell… perhaps they’ll work together to combine the ultimate-driving-machine with the ultimate-reliability and dominate all the other automotive manufacturers.
Toyota and bmw actually worked together on that car
also, i believe bmw's engine didnt pass toyotas first test as they had to do it again for production units
My M228i .. had for 5-6 yrs runs just fine .. only thing I’m having to do is brake pads and oil change . bought new . 2016
Cheers
You explain exactly at the correct point dude.. Great Justification ..
Thank you so very much
Great content, as usual!
Thank you again Thomas. Have a great day.interesting car I stumbled across and I will reveal it on the VLOG this weekend. Quite a machine and a work of art really.
@@ECPP excellent! I'm looking forward to it! Oh, I have my eyes on an '07 turbo 911. Thoughts when you have time. I look forward to this weekend
Excellent video thanks. Subscribed!
Thank you very much and welcome to the channel
BMW e46 330i 200k miles. Had the car since 60k. Oil changes at 15k. Did all maintenance myself. Leave BMW to us diy mechanics. Only buy inline 6 if wanted.
My E46 330i is currently at 235,000 and running well! Maintenance is key!
People don't full send lexus vechicles right out the dealer because they are not sport cars ..that obviously improves longevity
I was gonna buy my wife a nice 06 BMW coupe x drive but changed my mind,got her a mint 05 Acura TL that has been flawless over the last 6 years 😎
🤔, yes toyota Lexus and other Japanese cars such as Honda Acura, Nissan xfinity are very reliable cars, easy to maintain and affordable! Comparing with Germans HIGH END LUXURY PERFORMANCE VEHICLES such as BMWS, AUDIS, BENZS, PORCHES, VOLKSWAGEN, BENTLEYS, ROLLS ROYCE, RANGE ROVERS. I would no say that’s a fare comparison. Just saying 🤷♂️.
I disagree that the biggest factor that influences longevity between these brands is the measure of the HP per liter.
Great Videos. Cheers from Toronto
Thanks a lot for reaching out. Great to hear from a fellow Canadian. Cheers
This man knows his cars. Very informative video👍
Seriously though. Who wants to drive any car up to 300k miles? I've put almost $10k in repairs on my Toyota Tacoma and it was never the engine. Everything breaks down eventually and I don't mind paying for more expensive parts for a more luxurious vehicle. A Lexus is just a deceptive Toyota sold at the price of a BMW. Who's the fool? A Honda Civic is "reliable" too. Why not compare Lexus to that?
Very well said Mark on all angles. Keep them coming.
As crappy as my BMWs have been, so have my Toyotas. They suck in different ways. My Toyotas were reliable, but not durable. The syncros always broke way too early, the engines were way too small, causing you to rev the snot out of them which created early compression loss, making even less power, and the plasticy interior quality is awful. You can't find old Toyota classic cars without 100% disintegrated interiors, and there are only a few of those. My four toyotas were all scrapped. The worst was my MR2 which gave up the ghost at 85K miles after spinning 6500 RPM in 5th to go 75 mph. BMWs at least used to be made well, so old ones are viable. Jag has been the only quality build I've owned in 40 years of car buying.
Bottom line, Toyotas are built to win a price war for people who view a car as a commodity. They are built to be as low cost as possible, creating a reliable but weak product. Most never drive their cars hard, so it works great as basic transpo. If you want to push or tune, its a ground-up rebuild. In fairness Toyota-Lexus doesn't make performance cars anymore. BMW makes cars to win a best value comparison. But BMW has severe reliability problems after the sale. Catastrophic problems.
Well said, can’t be much clearer than that 👍👍👍
You just gave me an excuse to buy a Jag! I've heard the ford owned ones weren't too bad.
All down to what you value, I want reliability and tech that actually works... I went from VW to Mercedes and back to VW..in 20 years of driving this year I bought a 'used' Lexus RX450h.. best car I've ever had.... only added extra extended warranty and service pack.. I like the look of some BMW's but have never wanted one. I want piece of mind. No turbo charges... the hybrid battery and 3.5l V6 has plenty of get up and go... the techi luxury stuff all still works.. best of both worlds.
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F-Types are fantastic cars. My 7Y/100K warranty went unused, and I beat the living crap out of this thing. Every day.
regarding the "turbo heat" - just wrap the exhaust tubing in thermal insulation => hot exhaust (energy) but further from engine heat and inject water into the intake....
Yes, one thing is protecting the rest of the engine from the turbo heat. The other issue with these Hot V turbos is that the oil is getting very hot while flowing through the turbos. It deteriorates way faster. The entire concept seems questionable, you get almost instant turbo response, but the engine won't last long and requires frequent maintenance.
I feel bad for those financing newer models after the warranty/service expires
What am I missing? According to your litre description, there are 89 hp/litre on the normally aspirated 3.5 litre v-6 which suggests 311.5 hp. However the V-6 advertised HP is 270-275, up to 295 on the newer models. I am looking at a 2014 which advertises 270 hp which is a far cry from 311 hp. So where am I wrong? Is it my math ( always a 4 letter word for me ), or something else? I am looking for a reliable suv that will last me a very long time without a lot of problems and the 2014 is something that checks a lot of boxes for me. Any help is appreciated. Thank you and keep these great videos coming.
Excellent Video!!
Thank you
Fantastic video ECPP. Txs!
The problem is people need to stay in there lane, like driving premium cars but can’t afford the service .
Thanks
So the most powerful engine to ever come out of Toyota/Lexus/Yamaha is still under-stressed compared to those BMW
Its easy for engineer to make part that wont brake. But to make a part that brakes exactly at 130 000 km? That is a real art
Great. Now all Lexus’ resale value will go up even more than it already does. Thanks Mark.
I had a BMW 2004 530i and it was complete trash. Worst financial decision I ever made since every month I had the hideous warning bells go off alerting me of a new issue. Needless to say I own 2 lexus vehicles and a Honda S2000. However I also own an e46m3 since it’s a classic…lol
You told me literally 2 weeks ago that BMW are built better now, I just ordered a 2023 330i 🤦🏻♂️
Yes, the later versions with the B48 as yours has and the B58 straight six are much better than previous cars. Enjoy the new car, they are nice machines indeed. The n54 I would wish on an enemy. Cheers.
I’m confused. The title of this channel hints that we shouldn’t drive boring cars. Yet he’s constantly a banner waiver for the most boring brand ever conceived: Toyota and Lexus. Something’s amiss. I’ll keep my BMW’s and you can have your plastic, outdated, interiors, 4 cylinder engines, and cvt transmissions.
BMW is a toy, Lexus is a purchase. If you want a car that is your own, you buy a Lexus. If you want a car that you'll trade in, or give back to the dealership, you buy a BMW. The reliability alone sets the BMW back. Whenever you hear a person say, I'll keep the BMW until____miles and then send it back to the dealership, you know the Lexus is better.
Very insightful! Sounds 100% spot on!
Interesting video. Thank you. So I own a 2014 Lexus ES. You think an oil change every 10k miles with full synthetic oil has a pushing it? What do you recommend?