I just came here to say, I’m really tired of arguing about this. No one is changing their mind, especially considering neither one is playing right now. Can we just talk about the draft?
People always talk about Kobe imitating Jordan like *everybody* wasn't trying to imitate Jordan. Kobe was the best at it and actually dominated the game.
@@ItsISOentertainment true enough. But Kobe was still his own player, he was bigger than Jordan and arguably had a better 3. I would contend half if not more of the basketball playing world from 1985 to *now* imitated Jordan to some degree. None of them have been as good as Kobe Bean Bryant.
It's going to be the topic forever because Skip Bayless doesn't know sports. He has a handful of favorite athletes that he will defend with some of the dumbest arguments and create the most asinine rhetoric (that people will blondly follow) but he doesn't know anything about sports. That's why when Shannon asked him a direct question related to something that happened in sports that will discredit his argument he ignores or immediately changes the subject. That's why at least once per show hes going to say "I had the privilege of covering one Michael Jeffrey Jordan as a writer in Chicago I know because I was there". So because he doesn't know sports Shannon is stuck having the same conversation with skip day in and day out.
@@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET That's true Shannon is a fan of the broad but Shannon no sports. If you listen to segments outside of the Jordan talk when they talk about sports Shannon actually knows soccer baseball golf football basketball. Skip is just a fanboy that's all.
@@subzerofromny735 skip criticizes Lebron on twitter everyday no matter what he does. Lebron can save somebody from a burning car and Skip would say Jordan is more clutch and would of saved them faster.
DiamondSamurai what about teams that was superteam did mj beat them like bron did. Nope he faced us when we had bird and he lost and the pistons he lost
Lebron could do more on a lesser team. On equal teams, MJ would probably win closer games more. Their strengths are different is what I'm saying. So it's hard to see who the goat is.
@@progressivevbc that's because Lebron is a playmaker. Jordan on the other hand had the every weapon an athlete should have to score and play the best defense a guard could play. with the right team you have far more bigger chance to win with Jordan. it's just a fact man.
This is unfair. Lebron is an amazing player. Appreciate the dude. Putting him up against Jordan isn't fair. Jordan was crowned GOAT by a majority of the players, including the elite players throughout his era. Lebron is being crowned by the media.
Unfair LeBron is not a good basketball player, I'm the greatest ever, but I can only win a championship if I go to the great Dwyane Wade, and Jordan he couldn't win a championship for the Wizards, I do not see a goat there, only goat that I see is Kobe Bryant, the man won 2 Championship with two teams, Koby would out work both of them and play harder than both of them, I grew up watching Jordan play, Kobe played way harder sorry to bring tears to your eyes sorry to make you face reality😭😭😭😭
@@hashmoncrief6965 , you have a point. Unfortunately Kobe wasn't the best player on his team when he got to the Lakers. He didn't do for the Lakers or for the NBA what Jordan did. I'm not saying he wasn't phenomenal, he was. But Jordan was Jordan from the first day of practice! The best player on his team and arguably the NBA by the end of his second (if not first ) season. He literally carried the team, the franchise and the NBA.
Cant listen to these two anymore. LeBron hadn't played in about a month and they've figured out how to talk about him and a retired legend everyday since the start of the quarantine.
King Quan Gaming MJ hadn’t played since 1998 and in 2001 used him to discuss Lebron! Mj hasn’t played since 2003 and they still use Mj every week to talk about Lebron. Lebron wears his numbers, signs to shoe companies he signed too, does space jam too, a pre game power routing Mj also had a pregame powder routine. Lebron said he’s chasing a ghost in Chicago
@@skylercooper8461 Spoken like a true casual. If you dont know what the GOAT was doing prior to winning his first ring you in the wrong discussion 🤦🏾♂️
Shannon is getting paid millions to push the LeGOAT narrative, thats why this show was put together, imagine how boring Undisputed would be if both Shannon & Skip praised Jordan as theGOAT...it would be a shitShow😂at the end of the day its all entertainment & whats more entertaining than Shannons' delusional GoatJames talk
@@terrymcginnis223 Getting swept in the Playoffs and Finals are a big difference. The Question is when they both got to the Finals, what were the Results??? 3 peats vs 3 championships.
The moment Lebron proclaimed himself the goat thats the time I thought that he would never be the goat... A true G.O.A.T. never mentions that he's the one, you have to earn it with your peers, the media, the people and the basketball universe thats it...
Thomas Sankara in no way is he better than mj come on bro. and to the dude above you we all know that the 90’s was one of the best decades of basketball quit the cappin
@@devontaelafleur3841 weak competition, the jaźz were the biggest threat to the bulls, if the bulls played the 2000 lakers, spurs, celtics, heat no way they winning 6 rings
Thomas Sankara as I said it’s a team game bro my comment says that I give lebron a pass for losing because his firepower was next to nonexistent but nobody keeps that same energy with Jordan when he went against the bucks who were a top defensive team then lost to the best Celtics team that ever existed but dropped 63 on all five of their starters but he was alone in those years. But 84-85 he may have had a trash record but still led them to the playoffs granted it was in the east. Same the next year but as they say beat who’s in front of you but if I’m missing something here that season without Jordan they were on track to miss the playoffs badly but with him inserted back in (on minute restrictions) he took them to the playoffs. We can both say this and say that but both of these guys teams were terrible without them due to terrible front offices so on and so forth. But also when lebron got two all stars he won two chips when he guaranteed 8, terry in 2011, refused to take charge on offense only had 8 points in a critical part of the series etc etc. also when Scottie pippen was the only other all star on his roster they three peated so what’s your point that Jordan couldn’t win alone?
Thomas Sankara lets keep it a buck he wasn’t beating the 59 win Milwaukee bucks team who were i think top five in defense that year with nobody stop underrating the team to. 1987 again the Celtics with four hall of famers on that roster and he dropped 35 ppg on 41% and Charles Oakley was his second best player with 15. so if you wanna play that game lebron couldn’t win more than 2 chips with a stacked team once pippen matured and was able to help they three peated. Also what was in Jordan’s path the Celtics bad boys and that bucks team who were some of the best of the decade. That finals run was against a pistons team with no Ben Wallace who was their rock in the paint and a weak nets and wizards team this lack of great competition showed once he reached the finals he got swept.
Why is this a discussion everyday can't we just appreciate and respect everyone opinions there both great players in their own era and successful and have rings and nobody needs to be compared too anyone just everyone respect both of these great players end of discussion!!!!
If Lebron could play like Michael Jordan, he would. Lebron never had those types of skills to do so. That's why he never develop a midrange shot, never worked on foot work to get separation, never had true grit to be a leader, never carried a team and drag them to victory without someone bailing him out, never upped his ball handling skills, never can count on him in the clutch moments, as a matter of fact they change the clutch time backwards to 5 minutes just to make Lebron look like he is clutch. Why would they do all this if he was good??? Because if you would have given Michael Jordan all this help he wouldn't lose at all , he would have been 13 straight years with championships. Just let that sink in.
Shannon said "how you gonna start eating after 7 years" well it took Lebron 9 years & TWO other all stars to win his 1st title tho so he need to keep that SAME ENERGY with Lebron too then 🤣🤣🤣
LeBron got to the Finals as a 22 year old with one former All-star on the whole damn team. Michael Jordan barely got out of the first round without a Top 50 player all-time. I think that Jordan's individual excellence is beyond that of LeBron, and I do think MJ is the GOAT, but LeBron is such a capable team player that his team achievements (carting the Cavs to the finals in 2007 and 2018) are leagues ahead of Jordan.
@@onepunchiso_8378 soooooo Jordan basically playing with coke heads in his early years don't count for anything if we gonna talk about how trash Lebron early Cavs teams were? Lebron early Cavs teams wasn't as bad & people try to make it seem either he has solid players around him & even had some star potential in guys like Atwan Jamison & Larry Hughes BUT the problem was back then as it is now with Lebron he can't make stars better he can only make role players better..... Outside of Kyrie Irving NOBODY rose to stardom playing alongside of Lebron & if you a star already your numbers will drop playing alongside of him
Tonio5100 Lebron early teams were beyond terrible and had no place being in the finals! Also you say stars but if you have stars on your team numbers will go down in any sport! It’s only one ball
@@kingralo5954 So why does Lebron numbers hardly ever go down when he plays with other stars? Its always his star teammates whose numbers drop while his numbers pretty much stay the same.... & that's a huge part of the problem with Lebron he won't adjust his game to his teammates strengths instead he make them adjust to fit his strengths which then makes them less effective & then when they play less effective they'll get blame when they lose & people will say "Lebron needs more help" like they been doing for like the last 8 years
Imagine comparing losing to the 86 Celtics on your second year while dropping 63 and and 49 with nobody on your team, asking “if he’s the goat, you should have won”, all the while Lebron got clamped by JJ Barea and choked with Wade and Bosh vs Dirk. How can Shannon constantly overlook that while saying losing to the 86 Celtics in your second year is comparable? Pathetic
Rich James You seriously comparing the 2011 mavs (which were a fine team, but nobody thought they would win) to the all time great 86 Celtics? How bout you go sit down bro.
Rich James who cares about lakers and kobe, the argument here is between lbj and mj mj at 35 won his 6th ring 5th mvp 6fmvp, while your boyfriend lebron at 35 is on his couch watching nba finals last year, now go home and sit down
@Brian G nice try to rewrite history. Kobe had just won 2 championships with that same squad. He got swept. Lebron and them boys had never played together and pulled 2 games.
I'm just grateful Michael Jordan signed off on this documentary and I'm glad it's a doc. I saw Seabiscuit (2003) and Secretariat (2010). Even Straight Outta Compton (2015). Movies explain things so inaccurately! 🤦🏻♂️
My brother was born 1994. Didn't get into basketball until 2006. His all-time favorite player is DWade with LeBron 2nd. Even he knows MJ is the G.O.A.T. We watched the doc together and he enjoyed it very much
@pat4clippers do you think if you - your lil brother watched a magic Johnson or Dominique Wilkins doc he wouldn't love them?🤔 It's a doc fool, made to put that person in a favorable spotlight especially when they have final say🤷
Shannon actually just said a person who chose number 23 and says he’s “chasing the ghost from Chicago “ IS’NT trying to be like MJ!?! 🤣😂. Just admit he fell short already......Pathetic
@@fuddyduddie1205 So Danny Glover wanted to be like Arnold Schwarzenegger when he made the Predator 2 or was it just a opportunity to make a movie. That's a far reach you're trying 🤭🤭🤭😷😷😷😂😂😂😂, I'm sure LBJ not trying to act like MJ because MJ is a horrible actor.
Ferry White it’s not a reach. He’s wearing 23, he’s in Space Jam which everyone knows is MJ’s movie, he throws the power in the air before game like MJ because MJ clapped power in announcers faces pre tip off, he went to Nike, “he’s chasing the ghost of MJ”. Yes he and millions of others are trying to be like Mike. Lebron is at home waiting on the last dance to air tomorrow just like everyone else is.
How come no one brings up Michael Jordan's 3 years a North Carolina? Michael Jordan played on one of the best college organizations while LeBron learned on the job in Cleveland. Kobe learned while playing with Shaq. Doesn't take away from Kobe's greatness. It takes time to learn how to play in the league. Food for thought.
Michael learned how to win by getting beat up in the east by some of the best teams in history. Lebron learned how to win by running to south beach with Pat and Dwyane
Josh P where were those teams in the 90s? You can name me a single team in the 90s from the East that’s comparable to the Celtics of the 80s or the bad boys or the 76ers or the Bucks.
What happened before 91? Michael was an alien compared to any other superstar in the 80s. I mean in one year he was league mvp, scoring champ, defensive player of year, dunk champ, all star game mvp. In one year. Shannon seriously I lose what little respect I have for you everytime you open your mouth
Killer mentality is being a leader by bailing your team out in time of trouble MJ never failed them Lebron can’t do that he want his team to bail him out cause he is afraid to he don’t want the blame
The only reason this debate is being brought up is because LeBron is a current player and he has close enough statistics and accolades across the board, but in reality this ain’t even close. Mike the greatest ever and most influential player in sports history.
Bron is the goat. That’s why they can’t stop talking about him. trying they hardest to bring him down. It’s like when you see people hate a person to a certain extent you start question why, if it’s rings that determine who’s better then bill Russell is the goat
Someone explain to Shannon that the defense played in MJ’s era was way different & 10 times harder than Lebron’s era. That’s one of the reasons MJs path was more difficult & impressive compared to Lebron
These topics are going to make me stop watching the show. It's so sad to see that Skip literally has nothing to talk about other than LeBron. While I love the show, it's so frustrating to see them literally talk about the same thing every day. Skip has built his career off LeBron's back, and it's really showing with the lack of creativity from the producers.
@@blast_v3 He would still be a columnist or B list personality on some network if he didn't develop his persona as THE LeBron hater. LeBron is the biggest athlete in American sports, it's not a coincidence he became relevant as LeBron became the best player in the league.
As long as as LeBron name is in the conversation that’s all that matters. A 6’8 non scoring player that is top 5 in scoring, going against a 6’6 pure scorer that does everything else average except scoring. I’ll take the 6’8 all around humble beast.
Skip is making fun of Lebron when he had no help against the magic or Boston in the conference finals and in the semifinals. While Jordan didn’t actually make the playoffs in his first 3 years. Their were only 11 teams in the east and 8 teams made it. Jordan’s records wouldn’t have been good enough if you converted it to the modern era. So what’s worst losing in the semi finals twice, losing in conference finals once, losing in the finals six times; or not even making it to the playoffs until he got Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant.
Is shannon that dense?!?? How do you compare Jordan getting swept in his second season when he wasn’t considered the goat at that time to lebron getting swept two seasons ago when he considered himself the goat?! In lebrons second season he was watching the playoffs from home.. Jordan was putting up 63 against Larry bird in the playoffs.
@johnny blaze getting swept in your first yr or your last yr is the same u got swept, LeBron had a better record than Jordan in his second year & didn't make the playoffs, so that tells me Jordan was in a weak east as you Jordan fans always proclaim 🤔🤫
D lew while everyone can pin point lebrons flaws and losses throughout his entire career...Shannon has you lebron fans holding onto Jordans record in the playoffs his second year in the nba, a year he only played 18 reg season games lol. A time when he wasn’t considered the GOAT.. weak argument. When people started saying Jordan was the best was when the bulls started winning rings.. you lebron fans call him the goat and he gets swept still in year 15 and loses in the championships in his prime, over and over again. Jordan never lost when he was the goat of the nba. Remember that!!
Greatness is measured by performing at the highest level on the biggest stage. No ifs and no buts. Plain and simple. And the biggest stage is the NBA Finals, wherein, you just have to completely outdo your opponents no matter who they are and what they do in order to win that stage. Jordan had been in the finals, and in every single time, he handled all the pressure, take on the responsibility and overtook all of his opponents. Lebron had also been in the finals, but he didn't show at all times the needed attitude and mindset in order to win completely. The thing is.. both have faced obstacles in the finals. And only MJ showed how to surpass those obstacles consistently and flawlessly.
Why are we still talking about this? I'm 36. I grew up watching them both. Of course I'm biased to Jordan, but I like Lebron better. They're both great. My opinion. MJ is like this, "Just give me the ball." Lebron is like this, "Just put on your jersey, I got you."
"MJ got INSECURE in 2016 about LeBron!" 🤣 Yeah, and notice LeBron hasn't said a word about The Last Dance yet? I wonder who's INSECURE now? Nobody will care about your highlights, dude. America hated the Heatles.
This was talked about many many years ago. This has been in the works before the Lebron narrative was even being pushed. I believe even amad Rashad or someone said 100% this had nothing to do with Lebron. I really highly doubt Jordan is in any way shape or form intimidated by Lebron.
You can tell Shannon is finally giving in. In his heart, he loves MJ. He's getting mesmerized by MJ's charisma again like from 20-30 years ago. He's LeBron's friend but he knows he lost this war.
Underrated scene from Episode 1 of The Last Dance. When MJ and Worthy were describing that play in 1982. The music and set up was tense. We never heard MJ ever explain that play from 38 years ago.
Yea, Lebron wasnt in the conference with the best team in the NBA like Mike and the Bulls were. They had to play Boston before the finals lol wtf u talking about? If the Spurs or Mavericks were in the East they wouldve beat him in the 1st or 2nd round
Wonder why Malone didn’t say lebron had the killer mentality after game 5 when lebron locked down Murray, scored 12 in the 4th quarter And closed the series
What these fake MJ stans don’t get is that whenever he’s mentioned, LeBron will be attached to his name...forever. And that kills them lol. The argument is subjective. There’s no right answer. But the comparison will ALWAYS be there.That’s already a dub for Bron.
I can respect Mike Malone’s comment but if you’re the assistant coach to Lebron, wouldn’t you push him to be the player he is today? Isn’t that what assistant coaches supposed to do? You see the game in a different way that a player may not see it. Again i respect his comment but it means nothing cuz he couldn’t even push his players to be Dame & the blazers last year
Jordy Hatcher hmm... game 7 in the west semifinals, the nuggets lost 100-96 to the blazers. Jamal Murray didn’t have that “killer instinct” nor did Jokic. Did the #2 seed not have enough gas to stop CJ & Dame? Where they being out coached? Did they’re coach prepare them for moments like this being that one has the experience in coaching Lebron? Let’s think about it
So ladies and gentlemen if you aren’t a killer than there is no other way to be great. So basically if it looks like you are having fun on the basketball court and everyone sees a smile on your face you will never be as good as Jordan...because now as we understand that is the new rule.
I love this show, but plz stop asking this question. MJ, Kobe, Bird, Kareem, Dr.J are all the goats, Lebron is alright but his play doesn't change the game plus HE LOST 6 TIMES in the finals so I'd appreciate if he stops being included in the GOAT conversation. Yes he's a hall of famer but he's definitely not the best player that has played in the NBA. Next topic 💪
Killer mentality doesn't mean talking trash and belittling your oppenent. It's about playing from buzzer to buzzer doing whatever it takes to win and not POUTING AND QUITING IN THE FINALS. there has never been a moment where Duncan or mj quit in the finaks
LeBron (22) vs 2007 Spurs: 22 PPG / 36% MJ (23) vs 1986 Celtics: 44 PPG / 51% If LeBron is the G.O.A.T, why didn't he win even one game to an inferior Spurs team?
Shannon spitting facts. MJ still the GOAT to me, but he wasn't perfect too. LeBron got through his own difficulties, he's the first who knows he ain't Michael Jordan, they're totally different kind of players. Mike did what he did being himself, why LBJ can't do the same? He's more a Magic Johnson on roids type of player than a scoring machine like Jordan. Isn't in LeBron nature to seal the deal all on his own, he's a playmaker inside. Last thing, I don't get it why LeBron gets all the smoke for what happened in 2011 when he lost against the Mavericks. He didn't played alongside the "best #3 of all time" (Skip's words) named Dwyane Wade? Was Chris Bosh injured or what? We win together, we lose together imo, nobody won nothing playing 1 vs 5.
samuel morrison you cant win a game by yourself. Mike score or averaged 50 points in those playoff games he lost The rest of the team got yo come with it also
Anyone that puts Lebron over MJ needs to understand they are in the extreme minority - 90 percent of the population agree that MJ is the GOAT (by far). 9 percent say it’s Kareem, Wilt, Oscar, Kobe or someone else. 1 percent say it’s Lebron.
The fact that MJ has been retired for 17 years. And any great player that comes along is debated whether they're on MJ's level. Should tell you who the true G.O.A.T is
Straight FACTS Shannon!!!!! , I’ve been saying this for years before LJ came on the seen. MJ was amazing but let’s not talk about the first 5 years or the last years in Washington 😱😱
Whenever i watch Lebron play, i need to PRAY and hope he turns it on. He is a hit and miss in his killer mentality. When you put Jordan in the game, you knew it was definitely ON. Plus Jordan had that aura that everyone and even opponents felt while playing with him. Lebron, isnt someone who I’d say to my son to “go and watch this guy”. Lebron is great but he lacks the flare, charisma, and killer insticnt. Jordan had that all the time and it was worth it.
LeBron is not that exciting to watch---not taking anything away from his game/skills though. With MJ, he was one of the most exciting players to play ANY sport so you didn't want to miss his games at all.
@@jtremaine23 totally agree. Lebron isn't like someone I'd ask myself, " what is he gonna do today?" People set alarms and skip class or work to watch Jordan. You didn't want to miss it.
plays more like Magic than he does MJ and he wasn't the one out there copying his moves step for step like Kobe was so yeah...I'd say that statement was correct.
@@Industrious420 copied the mans iconic number, said he's chasing the ghost of Michael Jordan, doing the mans space jam movie. I'm sure I missed some but I think I've made my point
Colin Leddy first of all Kobe put the work in to learn the footwork, which is extremely difficult and takes a lot of mental and physical determination, Lebron doesn’t have that ability , but he does have a lot of athletic ability which he uses to get to the rim , but where you are kissing the point is he chooses to wear the #23 to this day and say he’s chasing the ghost of MJ , it’s just ignorant to do both of those period.
When Jordan loses everyone burns the tape and they never talk about it. When LeBron loses they go and recount every dribble, every shot and every pass. Do the same thing with LeBron and only talk about his wins. To sum it all up, it's ok for Jordan to lose but not LeBron. Shannon crushes Skip every time they have this debate. Bill Liambeer said last week that Jordan wasn't better than LeBron and Skip dismissed him when he said that. He knows first hand about Jordan because he countinued to crush him in the 80's.
Its so pathetic/funny how every argument that lebrons haters have start getting crazier and crazier. Judges him for seeking better team because the cavs didnt help him at all. Then for a teameffort. Then for losing to superteams. Then for not making the playoffs while injured. And now all theyve got is the mentality. While lebron has the best elimination game stats. More playoff clutch shots, on a better percentage
LeBron's Resume vs Jordan's Resume: LeBron James: 3× NBA champion (2012, 2013, 2016) 3× NBA Finals MVP (2012, 2013, 2016) 4× NBA Most Valuable Player (2009, 2010, 2012, 2013) 16× NBA All-Star (2005-2020) 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008, 2018) 12× All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008-2018) 2× All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007) All-NBA Third Team (2019) 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2009-2013) NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2014) NBA Rookie of the Year (2004) NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004) NBA scoring champion (2008) Michael Jordan 6× NBA champion (1991-1993, 1996-1998) 6× NBA Finals MVP (1991-1993, 1996-1998) 5× NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998) 14× NBA All-Star (1985-1993, 1996-1998, 2002, 2003) 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998) 10× All-NBA First Team (1987-1993, 1996-1998) All-NBA Second Team (1985) NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988) 9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988-1993, 1996-1998) NBA Rookie of the Year (1985) NBA All-Rookie Team (1985) 10× NBA scoring champion (1987-1993, 1996-1998) 3× NBA steals leader (1988, 1990, 1993) 2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1987, 1988)
He told kyrie to take the shot tho..that's leadership..the reason why I said that is because lebron has won without his 2nd man he won without Dwayne wade just like kobe won without shaq jordan has never won with out scotty jordan got in the league at 84 didnt win a chip untill 91 "when scotty pippen got their" that's why I'm saying that.. lebron did need wade bt he also went and got one without wade to show the world he deserved to be one of the greatest
Christian Soldier which part of that was half truth? Also if it wasn’t a valid question why did skip feel the need to dance around the question and not answer it?
Shannon, other than the killer instinct, MJ was a very coachable player. So was Tim Duncan and Kareem. Lebron is not. Lebron is the only player I've ever seen take technical free throws with 65% ft percentage. No coach in their right mind would let this happen. Lebron cares more about his stats than winning.
Getting to 8 straight finals without killer instinct. Having the highest average in elimination games in NBA history without killer instinct. Leading both teams in Pts, Rebounds, Steals, Blocks....in the finals without killer instinct. So MJ getting destroyed by Detroit for years with Killer Instinct. MJ getting sweep in the first round with Killer Instinct?
Anybody else almost fall asleep when skip bayless talks about how Micheal Jordan is better then Lebron James because of this “killer mentality” he obviously forgot about the game 6 against Boston in the Eastern conference finals with the heat and the game when Lebron James scored the last 25 against the pistons in the playoffs, and he also went to 8 straight finals and yes Lebron is 3-6 in the finals and Michael is 6-0 but Lebron James has been to 3 more finals then Jordan. Also did Jordan ever go to 8 straight finals?, Micheal Jordan is 1-9 in the first round he couldn’t even win without Scottie Pippin and don’t say he didn’t have a super team when Michael Jordan was winning he had Scottie, Kerr, Rodman, Lebron James in his first time in Cleveland his next best player was Mo Williams and let’s not forget he went to the NBA finals by himself in 2006. Lastly when the Micheal Jordan left the bulls they had 55 wins and when Lebron left the Cavs both times they won only 19 games and let’s not forget he passed Micheal Jordan in scoring not taking anything away from Micheal Jordan basketball is a team sport and you can’t win by yourself
"Michael Jordan NEVER beat anybody!" 🤣 Beat more 60-win teams than Kobe and LeBron COMBINED. Kobe had Shaq. LeBron had DWade or Kyrie. Pippen isn't as good as those three offensively!
Pat4Clippers you’re wrong he beat Magic Johnson (hall of famer) and the Los Angeles Lakers in his first title! He beat Clyde the Glyde Drexler ( hall of famer) and the Portland TrailBlazers in his 2 Nd title win! He beat Charles Barkley (hall of famer) and the Phoenix Suns in his 3rd title win! He beat Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp (2 hall of fame players) and the Seattle SuperSonics in his 4 th title win! He also beat the Karl Malone and John Stockton ( 2 hall of fame players inducted with Michael Jordan in the hall of fame the same year) and the Utah Jazz for his 5 th and 6 th title wins respectively.
Matthew Mckissic Jordan faced the hardest competition in NBA History and DOMINATED and won the slam dunk contest against one of the baddest dunkers in Dominique Wilkins.
Matthew Mckissic oh you want proof ok Charles Barkley, a young Shaq O Neil, Penny Hardaway, a young Kobe Bryant, a young Allen Iverson, Larry Legend Bird, Magic Johnson, Clyde Drexler, Patrick Ewing, the Bad Boy Pistons, Mark Price and the Cavs, Indiana Pacers with Reggie Miller, the 90s New York Knicks, Karl Malone and the Utah Jazz, Hakeem and the Houston Rockets, Grand Ma Ma and the Charlotte Hornets, Harold Miner and the Miami Heat. NBA Jam the video game was based on Jordan’s Era of players which had two superstars on every team
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Who is the GOAT?
Jordan and Kobe cause they were the same
Alex Caruso
LBJ
@Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED LeBron James simple 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾 🔥🔥💯
Kareem
Jordan
Kobe
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It’s almost like they’ve had this conversation a million times before.
ADAJ3 Almost like they say the same thing everyday. It’s eerie bro-can’t put my finger on it.
That’s right Shannon boy we don’t care Jordan is still 6-0 ha ha take that drama queen choke job
Dmitry N. yeh that’s the only reference you have but when he get swept and can’t make it far without Pippen . All of the sudden y’all have amnesia
@@UNFITTED1 feel how you wanna feel bro but your not changing ANYBODY mind on this matter! Lmfaoooooo
It seems like their only topic is LeBron over 400 NBA all they talk about is LeBron
I just came here to say, I’m really tired of arguing about this. No one is changing their mind, especially considering neither one is playing right now. Can we just talk about the draft?
Yup
This damn Michael Jordan documentary. 😑😑😑
I am sick of it.
@SIVAD LEAHCIM I didn't watch the first 2. 😅😅😅
I was in my 20's back then, I don't need to revisit history.
MJ is the GOAT. Deal with it!
Dir ty he is the goat, but let’s be honest, in terms of being an overall basketball player, Lebron is just better. Check the highlights
2:46 "he never tried to be like michael" smh hes wearing the no 23
Ok and ? Isn't Draymond wearing 23 ?
So is everyone wearing 23 trying to be like Mike...
Shiloh Garcia Lebron said himself he looked up to MJ and wore 23 bc of Jordan so there’s that
Mike Whitehead I never said he didn’t
@@BigWilt2000 he has a press conference in 2017 where he literally said he wanted to be like mike lol
Y’all ain’t gone never get tired of this topic, are y’all?
K3YSHAWN T.O.N.O nope lmfao
If you'd use half your brain, you'd know that all these mj goat talks fired up cuz of the bulls documentary
Mind of the North Star damn MJ so competitive he has burners now
Daryl Vergara I’m using my brain that’s y I’m wondering instead of picking topics from the ACTUAL documentary, why are they talking about Lebron?
@@solkey1781 EXACTLY!
You know you're the goat when every sport media personality is still taking about your legacy that was forged 20+ years ago
people said that about bill russell
@@ramzyy5362 ... Yet Bill Russell has multiple weaknesses. People who say him don't know basketball.
@@ericjordan6059 Exactly Wilt is clearly the goat
People always talk about Kobe imitating Jordan like *everybody* wasn't trying to imitate Jordan. Kobe was the best at it and actually dominated the game.
Skunky Beaumont It’s a knock on Kobe to me. Be ya own player.
ISOentertainment huh everyone wanted to be like Mike stop it ?
We all was singing that song when we were kids.. "LIKE MIKE, IF I COULD BE LIKE MIKE"
@@ItsISOentertainment true enough. But Kobe was still his own player, he was bigger than Jordan and arguably had a better 3. I would contend half if not more of the basketball playing world from 1985 to *now* imitated Jordan to some degree. None of them have been as good as Kobe Bean Bryant.
@@blakeharris58 How was Kobe bigger than Mike? :DDDDD
We need sports back asap if this is going to be a topic every show
It's going to be the topic forever because Skip Bayless doesn't know sports. He has a handful of favorite athletes that he will defend with some of the dumbest arguments and create the most asinine rhetoric (that people will blondly follow) but he doesn't know anything about sports. That's why when Shannon asked him a direct question related to something that happened in sports that will discredit his argument he ignores or immediately changes the subject. That's why at least once per show hes going to say "I had the privilege of covering one Michael Jeffrey Jordan as a writer in Chicago I know because I was there". So because he doesn't know sports Shannon is stuck having the same conversation with skip day in and day out.
@@keviny704 and shannon also has a crush on lebron it works both wayso
@@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET That's true Shannon is a fan of the broad but Shannon no sports. If you listen to segments outside of the Jordan talk when they talk about sports Shannon actually knows soccer baseball golf football basketball. Skip is just a fanboy that's all.
I mean to be fair this was the topic atleast every other show even before the sports shutdown lol
@@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET like the crush you have on Michael?
Nice to see Lebron still living rent free in these tough times.
Exactly. No games going on, we have a NFL draft, and this is the topic they go for. Lol.
nice to see Lebron fans still have zero comprehension of the word opinion
black out opinion? You must be a Skip bayless fan if you think his bias one sided arguments are “opinions”
@@subzerofromny735 skip criticizes Lebron on twitter everyday no matter what he does. Lebron can save somebody from a burning car and Skip would say Jordan is more clutch and would of saved them faster.
MJ's got a lifetime free lease in ol' Shannon's
I've witnessed MJ time and LJ time, both are the best. But there are really some factors that I will pick MJ all the way.
So you saw tim duncan and act like he never exist
I hope y’all are paying Lebron as much as y’all eat off his name 🤦🏽♂️
Muhammad R shannon of course
Shannon and lebron are friends uno
Lebron gifted him exclusive lebrons
Lebron QUIT on his team in the middle of a CHAMPIONSHIP... what GOAT would do that??
Michael Adu nah that ain’t enough 🤣 they’re basically making their living off his name.
Mj would’ve scored 70 on JJ Barea
DiamondSamurai what about teams that was superteam did mj beat them like bron did. Nope he faced us when we had bird and he lost and the pistons he lost
SIVAD LEAHCIM i know talking bad about mj hurt you so bad
Davod Hashimi Don’t forget to add that Bird, debatably the greatest legend the Celtics have ever had, said MJ was God disguised as MJ!
Antonio Venegas yea but still bron defeated a team that was 73-9 but Jordan lost to big teams in the playoffs
Antonio Venegas this is how you quote something you just learnt in a documentary a couple days ago 😂
It's just no comparison. MJ all day is the goat. I respect and love what Bron has accomplished but...
Lebron could do more on a lesser team. On equal teams, MJ would probably win closer games more. Their strengths are different is what I'm saying. So it's hard to see who the goat is.
Lebron gave up in the Mavericks series with help and talent..
@@progressivevbc that's because Lebron is a playmaker. Jordan on the other hand had the every weapon an athlete should have to score and play the best defense a guard could play. with the right team you have far more bigger chance to win with Jordan. it's just a fact man.
"My mentality is to go out there and WIN at any cost"....MJ IS THE GOAT
Harris Estremos he played 15 season and won 6. What happened the other 9 seasons ??
Mj. Ball hog
George Papageorgiou Lebron played 17 and won 3 ... barely lol what happened the other 14!!!!??? 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤣
@@grkdude405 He said that's his mentality. He didn't say he won every time. There's a difference.
YALL NEED HELP 😂
Must've heard this 1billion times
Never gets old
Never get tired of this NOT AT ALL
This is unfair. Lebron is an amazing player. Appreciate the dude.
Putting him up against Jordan isn't fair. Jordan was crowned GOAT by a majority of the players, including the elite players throughout his era.
Lebron is being crowned by the media.
Damm.. very well said. Even the players that hated mj
I forgot to add...and coaches
Unfair LeBron is not a good basketball player, I'm the greatest ever, but I can only win a championship if I go to the great Dwyane Wade, and Jordan he couldn't win a championship for the Wizards, I do not see a goat there, only goat that I see is Kobe Bryant, the man won 2 Championship with two teams, Koby would out work both of them and play harder than both of them, I grew up watching Jordan play, Kobe played way harder sorry to bring tears to your eyes sorry to make you face reality😭😭😭😭
It's a select few media who are his media plants.
@@hashmoncrief6965 , you have a point. Unfortunately Kobe wasn't the best player on his team when he got to the Lakers. He didn't do for the Lakers or for the NBA what Jordan did.
I'm not saying he wasn't phenomenal, he was. But Jordan was Jordan from the first day of practice! The best player on his team and arguably the NBA by the end of his second (if not first ) season.
He literally carried the team, the franchise and the NBA.
Okay skip you been saying this for years WE DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT LEBRON WE ALL KNOW YOU THINK MJ IS BETTER IM TIRED OF THESE SAME SEGMENTS
Right.
TheIconicGeneration it’s the only topic relevant in the NBA right now
to be fair nobody should listen to anything Shannon Sharpe says either since hes obviously pro-LeBron
youBoob no he said he likes Michael Jordan a lot too
Cant listen to these two anymore. LeBron hadn't played in about a month and they've figured out how to talk about him and a retired legend everyday since the start of the quarantine.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
We need the season back
@@sairfolks6219 even with the season back it will still be LeBron, LeBron and more LeBron
@@williamdottin3815 good point
King Quan Gaming MJ hadn’t played since 1998 and in 2001 used him to discuss Lebron! Mj hasn’t played since 2003 and they still use Mj every week to talk about Lebron. Lebron wears his numbers, signs to shoe companies he signed too, does space jam too, a pre game power routing Mj also had a pregame powder routine. Lebron said he’s chasing a ghost in Chicago
I'm tired of the lebron talk we know MJ is the best ever.
Jordan been snatching hearts since he won an NCAA title
What happen his first 6 years tho
@@skylercooper8461 Spoken like a true casual. If you dont know what the GOAT was doing prior to winning his first ring you in the wrong discussion 🤦🏾♂️
@@raidergainzx5290 we all know he was losing, but i was simply asking the question to bring to light the obvious fact
LeeTravius Mckay he won that his first season at UNC, what happen in the next two??
Skyler Cooper
He was climbing to the top.
Former NBA players and hof players have said that MJ had that "killer instinct"
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@Marcus Schultz Players who are still playing today is saying the same thing
@@blackcobra1981 people b getting on bron's head for literally passing lol
Josh Deeter Jordan fans believe taking a contested jump shot is better than making the right play to a wide open teammate
Limar273 Clearly not if Paxson and Kerr both hit big shots.
Lebron: exists
Skip Bayless : “Oh brother, this guy stinks”
Like spongebob before the squirrel jokes?
Jka Vill Lmao 😂 you don’t even need to like dude but you absolutely cannot name me 20!....20! players better than Lebron. That is ALLLLLL 🧢
This show needs episodes 3 & 4 of Last Dance to drop ASAP for new content to talk about
Do you think that’s the reason they didn’t just show all the episodes like Netflix normally does. A deal with the sports Networks lol.
Miami305 full episodes already been leaked
@@Wickery. help a brother out... Where can I find
Man I’m with Skip today Shannon showing his views tainted for LeBron today
chance goode nothing tainted. He’s simply asking why the standard is different for one than the other? Completely valid question
Shannon is getting paid millions to push the LeGOAT narrative, thats why this show was put together, imagine how boring Undisputed would be if both Shannon & Skip praised Jordan as theGOAT...it would be a shitShow😂at the end of the day its all entertainment & whats more entertaining than Shannons' delusional GoatJames talk
@@mainygnac it would turn into first things first with two lebron hyper fans
Clifton Gordon He says Lebron goat but he didn’t do it, but says if Jordan is supposed too if he’s goat. He killed his own argument
@@terrymcginnis223 Getting swept in the Playoffs and Finals are a big difference. The Question is when they both got to the Finals, what were the Results??? 3 peats vs 3 championships.
“You going to jail Skip Bayless” 😂💀
SHANNONS RIGHT: lebron is not tryin to be mike cause bron will NEVER 3peat twice & mike would NEVER wear a hair-weave to the foul line & miss!😁
@Desmond Hackney no of course not. instead he lost 6 rings LOL
“Lebron never wanted to be like Jordan?” Um he wears 23 Shannon did he come up with that all by himself??
Scoop EN’ Score he mean playing style
Scoop EN’ Score you acting like mj the only one and the first one to wear number 23 lol shut up
William Turner we know Lebron wore 23 because of Jordan though lol
William Turner
Right, he also wanted to do Space Jam 2 bc everybody else has done one huh...
He wear 23 because Mj was his favorite player growing up . He didn’t want to copy MJ 😅😅😅
The moment Lebron proclaimed himself the goat thats the time I thought that he would never be the goat... A true G.O.A.T. never mentions that he's the one, you have to earn it with your peers, the media, the people and the basketball universe thats it...
He is goat jordan played in a weak era
Thomas Sankara in no way is he better than mj come on bro. and to the dude above you we all know that the 90’s was one of the best decades of basketball quit the cappin
@@devontaelafleur3841 weak competition, the jaźz were the biggest threat to the bulls, if the bulls played the 2000 lakers, spurs, celtics, heat no way they winning 6 rings
Thomas Sankara as I said it’s a team game bro my comment says that I give lebron a pass for losing because his firepower was next to nonexistent but nobody keeps that same energy with Jordan when he went against the bucks who were a top defensive team then lost to the best Celtics team that ever existed but dropped 63 on all five of their starters but he was alone in those years. But 84-85 he may have had a trash record but still led them to the playoffs granted it was in the east. Same the next year but as they say beat who’s in front of you but if I’m missing something here that season without Jordan they were on track to miss the playoffs badly but with him inserted back in (on minute restrictions) he took them to the playoffs. We can both say this and say that but both of these guys teams were terrible without them due to terrible front offices so on and so forth. But also when lebron got two all stars he won two chips when he guaranteed 8, terry in 2011, refused to take charge on offense only had 8 points in a critical part of the series etc etc.
also when Scottie pippen was the only other all star on his roster they three peated so what’s your point that Jordan couldn’t win alone?
Thomas Sankara lets keep it a buck he wasn’t beating the 59 win Milwaukee bucks team who were i think top five in defense that year with nobody stop underrating the team to. 1987 again the Celtics with four hall of famers on that roster and he dropped 35 ppg on 41% and Charles Oakley was his second best player with 15.
so if you wanna play that game lebron couldn’t win more than 2 chips with a stacked team once pippen matured and was able to help they three peated. Also what was in Jordan’s path the Celtics bad boys and that bucks team who were some of the best of the decade. That finals run was against a pistons team with no Ben Wallace who was their rock in the paint and a weak nets and wizards team this lack of great competition showed once he reached the finals he got swept.
Why is this a discussion everyday can't we just appreciate and respect everyone opinions there both great players in their own era and successful and have rings and nobody needs to be compared too anyone just everyone respect both of these great players end of discussion!!!!
I would like other comparisons tbh, maybe Tim Duncan vs Kobe Bryant.
If Lebron could play like Michael Jordan, he would. Lebron never had those types of skills to do so. That's why he never develop a midrange shot, never worked on foot work to get separation, never had true grit to be a leader, never carried a team and drag them to victory without someone bailing him out, never upped his ball handling skills, never can count on him in the clutch moments, as a matter of fact they change the clutch time backwards to 5 minutes just to make Lebron look like he is clutch. Why would they do all this if he was good??? Because if you would have given Michael Jordan all this help he wouldn't lose at all , he would have been 13 straight years with championships. Just let that sink in.
Shannon said "how you gonna start eating after 7 years" well it took Lebron 9 years & TWO other all stars to win his 1st title tho so he need to keep that SAME ENERGY with Lebron too then 🤣🤣🤣
Don’t forget that b4 lbj was on the heat he was playing with absolute scrubs the year b4 lbj joined the cavs they won 17 games
LeBron got to the Finals as a 22 year old with one former All-star on the whole damn team. Michael Jordan barely got out of the first round without a Top 50 player all-time. I think that Jordan's individual excellence is beyond that of LeBron, and I do think MJ is the GOAT, but LeBron is such a capable team player that his team achievements (carting the Cavs to the finals in 2007 and 2018) are leagues ahead of Jordan.
@@onepunchiso_8378 soooooo Jordan basically playing with coke heads in his early years don't count for anything if we gonna talk about how trash Lebron early Cavs teams were? Lebron early Cavs teams wasn't as bad & people try to make it seem either he has solid players around him & even had some star potential in guys like Atwan Jamison & Larry Hughes BUT the problem was back then as it is now with Lebron he can't make stars better he can only make role players better..... Outside of Kyrie Irving NOBODY rose to stardom playing alongside of Lebron & if you a star already your numbers will drop playing alongside of him
Tonio5100 Lebron early teams were beyond terrible and had no place being in the finals! Also you say stars but if you have stars on your team numbers will go down in any sport! It’s only one ball
@@kingralo5954 So why does Lebron numbers hardly ever go down when he plays with other stars? Its always his star teammates whose numbers drop while his numbers pretty much stay the same.... & that's a huge part of the problem with Lebron he won't adjust his game to his teammates strengths instead he make them adjust to fit his strengths which then makes them less effective & then when they play less effective they'll get blame when they lose & people will say "Lebron needs more help" like they been doing for like the last 8 years
Imagine comparing losing to the 86 Celtics on your second year while dropping 63 and and 49 with nobody on your team, asking “if he’s the goat, you should have won”, all the while Lebron got clamped by JJ Barea and choked with Wade and Bosh vs Dirk. How can Shannon constantly overlook that while saying losing to the 86 Celtics in your second year is comparable? Pathetic
The same mavs swept Kobe, gasol, bynum,barnes,odom, mwp two series before. Now go sit down.
Held Kobe Bean Bryant, a pure scorer to 17 pts twice. Once again I say, go sit down.
Rich James You seriously comparing the 2011 mavs (which were a fine team, but nobody thought they would win) to the all time great 86 Celtics? How bout you go sit down bro.
Rich James who cares about lakers and kobe, the argument here is between lbj and mj
mj at 35 won his 6th ring 5th mvp 6fmvp, while your boyfriend lebron at 35 is on his couch watching nba finals last year, now go home and sit down
@Brian G nice try to rewrite history. Kobe had just won 2 championships with that same squad. He got swept. Lebron and them boys had never played together and pulled 2 games.
I'm just grateful Michael Jordan signed off on this documentary and I'm glad it's a doc. I saw Seabiscuit (2003) and Secretariat (2010). Even Straight Outta Compton (2015). Movies explain things so inaccurately! 🤦🏻♂️
Tony Scott 😭
On the other hand, Lebron knows how to lose.
C O so does MJ without Pippen
LebronDagoat23 pippen literally made Jordan, no pippen no rings lmfao
@@jrickg9024 Give Lebron Scottie Pippen, he still gets swept.
@@Wickery. did Lebron ever win anything without a star teammate? oh i'm sorry without 2 star teammate?
My brother was born 1994. Didn't get into basketball until 2006. His all-time favorite player is DWade with LeBron 2nd. Even he knows MJ is the G.O.A.T. We watched the doc together and he enjoyed it very much
Pat4Clippers i bet y’all watch space jams afterwards
@pat4clippers do you think if you - your lil brother watched a magic Johnson or Dominique Wilkins doc he wouldn't love them?🤔 It's a doc fool, made to put that person in a favorable spotlight especially when they have final say🤷
Shannon actually just said a person who chose number 23 and says he’s “chasing the ghost from Chicago “ IS’NT trying to be like MJ!?! 🤣😂. Just admit he fell short already......Pathetic
Kobe Bryant had #24, #8 was he trying to be like MJ 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Numbers don't mean a thing. Lebron James never played like MJ even in hight school.
Ferry White you don’t have to play like him to imitate him. Just look towards Space Jam 2 if you’re still a blind witness.
@@fuddyduddie1205 So Danny Glover wanted to be like Arnold Schwarzenegger when he made the Predator 2 or was it just a opportunity to make a movie. That's a far reach you're trying 🤭🤭🤭😷😷😷😂😂😂😂, I'm sure LBJ not trying to act like MJ because MJ is a horrible actor.
Ferry White it’s not a reach. He’s wearing 23, he’s in Space Jam which everyone knows is MJ’s movie, he throws the power in the air before game like MJ because MJ clapped power in announcers faces pre tip off, he went to Nike, “he’s chasing the ghost of MJ”. Yes he and millions of others are trying to be like Mike. Lebron is at home waiting on the last dance to air tomorrow just like everyone else is.
@@ferrywhite3720 never played? he can't play like him even if he wanted to.
Remember when Kuzma pushed lebron to play defense in a game. Such a shame to call yourself the GOAT
😂😂😂
I recall Mike requested to get Ron Harper on his team AFTER Harper was puttin 20+ points on MJ
Lucky Carter 🙄
You're right Lebron James is what he is. About 11th on the greatest of all time list.
Exactly cuh
How come no one brings up Michael Jordan's 3 years a North Carolina? Michael Jordan played on one of the best college organizations while LeBron learned on the job in Cleveland. Kobe learned while playing with Shaq. Doesn't take away from Kobe's greatness. It takes time to learn how to play in the league. Food for thought.
YOU LITTLE BOYS ARE STEADY REACHING FOR ANYTHING
They all took their bumps and bruises and overcame them. Lebron after taking his lumps said fuggit im outta here. Only one goat and lbj aint it.
Michael learned how to win by getting beat up in the east by some of the best teams in history. Lebron learned how to win by running to south beach with Pat and Dwyane
Josh P where were those teams in the 90s? You can name me a single team in the 90s from the East that’s comparable to the Celtics of the 80s or the bad boys or the 76ers or the Bucks.
Nobody made lebron go too the nba
What happened before 91? Michael was an alien compared to any other superstar in the 80s. I mean in one year he was league mvp, scoring champ, defensive player of year, dunk champ, all star game mvp. In one year. Shannon seriously I lose what little respect I have for you everytime you open your mouth
Did he win?
If something happens to bron I don’t want to hear or see no fake love in the comments or the media. Y’all can’t even appreciate greatness
If that happens. Is the only time Skip Bayless, and Rob Parker will praise him
Come on Skip, Magic won in his rookie season. Keep in mind, Kareem didn't play in all the games. Magic played al five positions.
Yet Magic says MJ is the greatest of all time.
MJ vs Celtics 86'
43.7ppg 47% 87%ft 6.3reb 5.7ast 2.3stl 1.3blk
LeBron vs Spurs 07'
22.0ppg 43%fg 69%ft 7.0reb 6.8ast 1.0stl .5blk
That's in 3 games you idiot
@@matthewmckissic lebron played one more game in that sweep. Haha 🤔
@@ROGERC1 what's your point, lebron obliterates mj in age 30's comparisons in terms of playoff stats
@@matthewmckissic I dont have one. It was just a fun fact haha😂
@@ROGERC1 fun fact I'm a bigger jordan/lebron fan than you.
Killer mentality is like saying "wants it more" thats unmeasurable emotion.....
Killer mentality = ball hog. Nothing wrong with LeBron getting his teammates involved
That phrase means go down shooting. Shoot even if your missing because eventually you'll make some
@@rayj1013 LeBron go down shooting then people complain he's a ball hog and stat padding. He can't win some of these guys
I agree to an extent.... "wants it more WITHOUT being scared of the outcome" and I feel LBJ lacks the Without being scared of the outcome part.....
Killer mentality is being a leader by bailing your team out in time of trouble MJ never failed them Lebron can’t do that he want his team to bail him out cause he is afraid to he don’t want the blame
The only reason this debate is being brought up is because LeBron is a current player and he has close enough statistics and accolades across the board, but in reality this ain’t even close. Mike the greatest ever and most influential player in sports history.
Bron is the goat. That’s why they can’t stop talking about him. trying they hardest to bring him down. It’s like when you see people hate a person to a certain extent you start question why, if it’s rings that determine who’s better then bill Russell is the goat
Someone explain to Shannon that the defense played in MJ’s era was way different & 10 times harder than Lebron’s era. That’s one of the reasons MJs path was more difficult & impressive compared to Lebron
Yeah Michael lost early in his career but be never quit or disappeared, he was still the best player in those series Shannon 🤣😂🤣
Thank you.
Quit?? When? Against who boston? Like skip likes to bring up.. lbj had 30 +points 8asist 8reb. Lol
@@darrenmarcbautista6410 😂😂😂
And what about Golden State????
These topics are going to make me stop watching the show. It's so sad to see that Skip literally has nothing to talk about other than LeBron. While I love the show, it's so frustrating to see them literally talk about the same thing every day. Skip has built his career off LeBron's back, and it's really showing with the lack of creativity from the producers.
Not smart to say skip “built” his career off of lebron James 💯 kinda far fetched
@@blast_v3 well maybe for the last 10 years at least 😂🤣😂🤣
@@blast_v3 He would still be a columnist or B list personality on some network if he didn't develop his persona as THE LeBron hater. LeBron is the biggest athlete in American sports, it's not a coincidence he became relevant as LeBron became the best player in the league.
@@DerBroski is LeBron still the biggest athlete in American sport? Asking from the UK.
@@banksy6462 Easily.
This debate is laughable. Lebron shouldn't even be in the same conversation. Lebron is not sitting at the same table.
As long as as LeBron name is in the conversation that’s all that matters. A 6’8 non scoring player that is top 5 in scoring, going against a 6’6 pure scorer that does everything else average except scoring. I’ll take the 6’8 all around humble beast.
Skip is making fun of Lebron when he had no help against the magic or Boston in the conference finals and in the semifinals. While Jordan didn’t actually make the playoffs in his first 3 years. Their were only 11 teams in the east and 8 teams made it. Jordan’s records wouldn’t have been good enough if you converted it to the modern era. So what’s worst losing in the semi finals twice, losing in conference finals once, losing in the finals six times; or not even making it to the playoffs until he got Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant.
No he made the playoffs 3 times out of 3 before Pippen lol.
Is shannon that dense?!?? How do you compare Jordan getting swept in his second season when he wasn’t considered the goat at that time to lebron getting swept two seasons ago when he considered himself the goat?! In lebrons second season he was watching the playoffs from home.. Jordan was putting up 63 against Larry bird in the playoffs.
you and i both know lebron dragged that team to the finals
@johnny blaze getting swept in your first yr or your last yr is the same u got swept, LeBron had a better record than Jordan in his second year & didn't make the playoffs, so that tells me Jordan was in a weak east as you Jordan fans always proclaim 🤔🤫
@@dlew4337 Bron got swept by a team that broke the nba
D lew while everyone can pin point lebrons flaws and losses throughout his entire career...Shannon has you lebron fans holding onto Jordans record in the playoffs his second year in the nba, a year he only played 18 reg season games lol. A time when he wasn’t considered the GOAT.. weak argument. When people started saying Jordan was the best was when the bulls started winning rings.. you lebron fans call him the goat and he gets swept still in year 15 and loses in the championships in his prime, over and over again. Jordan never lost when he was the goat of the nba. Remember that!!
Jordan was the Grinch that Stole Titles ....Lebron is good ole Saint Nick. Everybody gets titles
Craig Chapman lmaooo this was clever
You mean Oprah Winfrey. You get a ring, and you get a ring
😂😂😂 CLASSIC
GNB Imao thank you that’s what Happens when you’re the underdog ask mj in the 80s
@GNB 5'9 jj barea held lebum to 17ppg in the finals
The title of this video is 100% accurate
Common Sense especially the “- skip bayless” part
But it's tired though
Greatness is measured by performing at the highest level on the biggest stage. No ifs and no buts. Plain and simple. And the biggest stage is the NBA Finals, wherein, you just have to completely outdo your opponents no matter who they are and what they do in order to win that stage. Jordan had been in the finals, and in every single time, he handled all the pressure, take on the responsibility and overtook all of his opponents. Lebron had also been in the finals, but he didn't show at all times the needed attitude and mindset in order to win completely. The thing is.. both have faced obstacles in the finals. And only MJ showed how to surpass those obstacles consistently and flawlessly.
Why are we still talking about this? I'm 36. I grew up watching them both. Of course I'm biased to Jordan, but I like Lebron better. They're both great. My opinion. MJ is like this, "Just give me the ball." Lebron is like this, "Just put on your jersey, I got you."
"MJ got INSECURE in 2016 about LeBron!" 🤣 Yeah, and notice LeBron hasn't said a word about The Last Dance yet? I wonder who's INSECURE now? Nobody will care about your highlights, dude. America hated the Heatles.
Not really. He probably just wanted to show people these bulls could take those warriors
Pat4Clippers Lebron did speak on The Last Dance.
Ok clippers fan
This was talked about many many years ago. This has been in the works before the Lebron narrative was even being pushed. I believe even amad Rashad or someone said 100% this had nothing to do with Lebron. I really highly doubt Jordan is in any way shape or form intimidated by Lebron.
You can tell Shannon is finally giving in. In his heart, he loves MJ. He's getting mesmerized by MJ's charisma again like from 20-30 years ago. He's LeBron's friend but he knows he lost this war.
Underrated scene from Episode 1 of The Last Dance. When MJ and Worthy were describing that play in 1982. The music and set up was tense. We never heard MJ ever explain that play from 38 years ago.
What's interesting about that play is I've heard people say MJ couldn't play against a zone but that clutch shot was against one.
Getting swept in the Finals is Totally different from getting swept in the first, second or third round it's just different FACTS
Yea, Lebron wasnt in the conference with the best team in the NBA like Mike and the Bulls were. They had to play Boston before the finals lol wtf u talking about? If the Spurs or Mavericks were in the East they wouldve beat him in the 1st or 2nd round
Wonder why Malone didn’t say lebron had the killer mentality after game 5 when lebron locked down Murray, scored 12 in the 4th quarter And closed the series
What these fake MJ stans don’t get is that whenever he’s mentioned, LeBron will be attached to his name...forever. And that kills them lol. The argument is subjective. There’s no right answer. But the comparison will ALWAYS be there.That’s already a dub for Bron.
6-0 and 3-6, hmmm. A lot of room for subjectivity there 🤣
Yeah so will kareem, kobe, magic, bird and so many others lebron isnt in a 1 2 with mj
I can respect Mike Malone’s comment but if you’re the assistant coach to Lebron, wouldn’t you push him to be the player he is today? Isn’t that what assistant coaches supposed to do? You see the game in a different way that a player may not see it. Again i respect his comment but it means nothing cuz he couldn’t even push his players to be Dame & the blazers last year
Are you saying hes a bad coach?
Jordy Hatcher hmm... game 7 in the west semifinals, the nuggets lost 100-96 to the blazers. Jamal Murray didn’t have that “killer instinct” nor did Jokic. Did the #2 seed not have enough gas to stop CJ & Dame? Where they being out coached? Did they’re coach prepare them for moments like this being that one has the experience in coaching Lebron? Let’s think about it
So ladies and gentlemen if you aren’t a killer than there is no other way to be great. So basically if it looks like you are having fun on the basketball court and everyone sees a smile on your face you will never be as good as Jordan...because now as we understand that is the new rule.
Exactly Skip Bayless...MJ is the 🐐
At the end of the day it's all about winning, nothing else.
@E BO the debate is between mj and lbj. Bill would be the goat, but he did only play 13 teams and the season had less games.
I love this show, but plz stop asking this question. MJ, Kobe, Bird, Kareem, Dr.J are all the goats, Lebron is alright but his play doesn't change the game plus HE LOST 6 TIMES in the finals so I'd appreciate if he stops being included in the GOAT conversation. Yes he's a hall of famer but he's definitely not the best player that has played in the NBA. Next topic 💪
We, the ones with half a brain, know that. Unfortunately, Bron and them Bronsexuals bring that stuff/topic.
SKIP we all know this!!! Man. Kobe is More Like M.J and LeBron is more Like MAGIC and Stockton.
Nah... Stockton gave 110% every night.
Killer mentality doesn't mean talking trash and belittling your oppenent. It's about playing from buzzer to buzzer doing whatever it takes to win and not POUTING AND QUITING IN THE FINALS. there has never been a moment where Duncan or mj quit in the finaks
LeBron (22) vs 2007 Spurs: 22 PPG / 36%
MJ (23) vs 1986 Celtics: 44 PPG / 51%
If LeBron is the G.O.A.T, why didn't he win even one game to an inferior Spurs team?
Finals and first round. Really
Shannon spitting facts. MJ still the GOAT to me, but he wasn't perfect too. LeBron got through his own difficulties, he's the first who knows he ain't Michael Jordan, they're totally different kind of players. Mike did what he did being himself, why LBJ can't do the same? He's more a Magic Johnson on roids type of player than a scoring machine like Jordan. Isn't in LeBron nature to seal the deal all on his own, he's a playmaker inside. Last thing, I don't get it why LeBron gets all the smoke for what happened in 2011 when he lost against the Mavericks. He didn't played alongside the "best #3 of all time" (Skip's words) named Dwyane Wade? Was Chris Bosh injured or what? We win together, we lose together imo, nobody won nothing playing 1 vs 5.
samuel morrison you cant win a game by yourself. Mike score or averaged 50 points in those playoff games he lost The rest of the team got yo come with it also
MICHAEL JORDAN IS THE GOAT
Nope, its Lbj u idiot
@@jeronedavis2449 you're wrong and here's why: 1 is obviously Michael, 2 is obviously Kobe, then I'll determine if LeBron is fit to be number 3.......
Imagine being a fan of basketball and thinking LBJ is the GOAT when the supreme majority of current and former players say MJ is. 😂
aaaahhh! mind of the bronsexual.
Anyone that puts Lebron over MJ needs to understand they are in the extreme minority - 90 percent of the population agree that MJ is the GOAT (by far). 9 percent say it’s Kareem, Wilt, Oscar, Kobe or someone else. 1 percent say it’s Lebron.
@Desmond Hackney yeah yeah yeah tight tight tight tight tight 🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈
I'm cracking up. "Yea. He's different. He's different worse!". HILARIOUS
The fact that MJ has been retired for 17 years. And any great player that comes along is debated whether they're on MJ's level. Should tell you who the true G.O.A.T is
Straight FACTS Shannon!!!!! , I’ve been saying this for years before LJ came on the seen. MJ was amazing but let’s not talk about the first 5 years or the last years in Washington 😱😱
And let's not talk about it took Lebron 9 season to win a title lol
Let's not talk about jordan dominating a league with no help, yes team success is big, but so is dominating with out a team behind you
Whenever i watch Lebron play, i need to PRAY and hope he turns it on. He is a hit and miss in his killer mentality. When you put Jordan in the game, you knew it was definitely ON. Plus Jordan had that aura that everyone and even opponents felt while playing with him. Lebron, isnt someone who I’d say to my son to “go and watch this guy”. Lebron is great but he lacks the flare, charisma, and killer insticnt. Jordan had that all the time and it was worth it.
LeBron is not that exciting to watch---not taking anything away from his game/skills though. With MJ, he was one of the most exciting players to play ANY sport so you didn't want to miss his games at all.
@@jtremaine23 totally agree. Lebron isn't like someone I'd ask myself, " what is he gonna do today?" People set alarms and skip class or work to watch Jordan. You didn't want to miss it.
Did this fool just say lebron ain't tryna be like mike????? This guy.
plays more like Magic than he does MJ and he wasn't the one out there copying his moves step for step like Kobe was so yeah...I'd say that statement was correct.
@@Industrious420 copied the mans iconic number, said he's chasing the ghost of Michael Jordan, doing the mans space jam movie. I'm sure I missed some but I think I've made my point
Colin Leddy first of all Kobe put the work in to learn the footwork, which is extremely difficult and takes a lot of mental and physical determination, Lebron doesn’t have that ability , but he does have a lot of athletic ability which he uses to get to the rim , but where you are kissing the point is he chooses to wear the #23 to this day and say he’s chasing the ghost of MJ , it’s just ignorant to do both of those period.
Colin Leddy missing* the point
@@jessevaldez3634 idolizing does not equal wanting to be like.
When Jordan loses everyone burns the tape and they never talk about it. When LeBron loses they go and recount every dribble, every shot and every pass. Do the same thing with LeBron and only talk about his wins. To sum it all up, it's ok for Jordan to lose but not LeBron. Shannon crushes Skip every time they have this debate. Bill Liambeer said last week that Jordan wasn't better than LeBron and Skip dismissed him when he said that. He knows first hand about Jordan because he countinued to crush him in the 80's.
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Yeah ok guy
Its so pathetic/funny how every argument that lebrons haters have start getting crazier and crazier. Judges him for seeking better team because the cavs didnt help him at all. Then for a teameffort. Then for losing to superteams. Then for not making the playoffs while injured. And now all theyve got is the mentality. While lebron has the best elimination game stats. More playoff clutch shots, on a better percentage
Keep meatriding, all I’m gonna say is 2011
@@TravelButter keep living in ignorance all im gonna say is wizards
Don’t be a “Skipocrite” 🤦♂️
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LeBron's Resume vs Jordan's Resume:
LeBron James:
3× NBA champion (2012, 2013, 2016)
3× NBA Finals MVP (2012, 2013, 2016)
4× NBA Most Valuable Player (2009, 2010, 2012, 2013)
16× NBA All-Star (2005-2020)
3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008, 2018)
12× All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008-2018)
2× All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007)
All-NBA Third Team (2019)
5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2009-2013)
NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2014)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2004)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004)
NBA scoring champion (2008)
Michael Jordan
6× NBA champion (1991-1993, 1996-1998)
6× NBA Finals MVP (1991-1993, 1996-1998)
5× NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998)
14× NBA All-Star (1985-1993, 1996-1998, 2002, 2003)
3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
10× All-NBA First Team (1987-1993, 1996-1998)
All-NBA Second Team (1985)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988-1993, 1996-1998)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
NBA All-Rookie Team (1985)
10× NBA scoring champion (1987-1993, 1996-1998)
3× NBA steals leader (1988, 1990, 1993)
2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1987, 1988)
When u mention jordan dont forget pippen cuz jordan only start winning with pippen
MJ is GOAT !
When you mention LeBron’s tittles, don’t forget to add Ray Allen saved him in one and Kyrie had to close the 3rd one!
Antonio Venegas u forgetting about every single ring with atleast 2 all stars. Jordan only had pippen
He told kyrie to take the shot tho..that's leadership..the reason why I said that is because lebron has won without his 2nd man he won without Dwayne wade just like kobe won without shaq jordan has never won with out scotty jordan got in the league at 84 didnt win a chip untill 91 "when scotty pippen got their" that's why I'm saying that.. lebron did need wade bt he also went and got one without wade to show the world he deserved to be one of the greatest
Can sports shows last like this
kefkapalazzo1 There’s the draft the Last Dance, that alone can Carry for another month
Killer mentality? Soldiers needs that! Lebron is not just a soldier he is an Army Commander!
Why can’t we just talk about MJ, it’s his documentary why you got to always bring up King James 👑 👑??
DabNikquwa The Gamer why y’all always gotta bring up mj when lebron does something great
More clicks
sports news channels are like crackheads for tearing lebron down,then when he retires they'll probably cry hard af and dickride him
Lebron doesn't have a killer mentality when he's on the foul line
Tattle Boad 😂 he shoots free throws just fine , they just don’t go in
Michael Jordan = UNTOUCHABLE 🗻
"There's Michael Jordan and then there's the rest of us."🧗♂️ - Magic Johnson
12:35 Shannon every time you get skip on the rope with a great question you let him change the subject. MAKE HIM ASNWER YOUR QUESTIONS
Devin Smart Shannon doesnt ask good questions . He simply tries to use half truths and revisionist history to try to make his points
Christian Soldier which part of that was half truth? Also if it wasn’t a valid question why did skip feel the need to dance around the question and not answer it?
Devin Smart when MJ lost a bench player didn’t out score him and Jordan wasn’t upset
Devin Smart Bron shot 35% when he lost to Celtics and the 1st 3 games was 22% FG Bron shot in 2008! Google it it’s worst ever of nba/aba merger era
Kristion just like skip you changing the subject and skipping around my question😂 thanks for proving my point
Jordan is the G.O.A.T🙌🏀✨❤
Skip lost me at Jamal Murray
shannon gets served again..lol
Shannon, other than the killer instinct, MJ was a very coachable player. So was Tim Duncan and Kareem. Lebron is not. Lebron is the only player I've ever seen take technical free throws with 65% ft percentage. No coach in their right mind would let this happen. Lebron cares more about his stats than winning.
That is just disrespectful when he compared Jamal Murray to Lebron 😂😂
Skip still hating even in Lockdown
Getting to 8 straight finals without killer instinct. Having the highest average in elimination games in NBA history without killer instinct. Leading both teams in Pts, Rebounds, Steals, Blocks....in the finals without killer instinct. So MJ getting destroyed by Detroit for years with Killer Instinct. MJ getting sweep in the first round with Killer Instinct?
Anybody else almost fall asleep when skip bayless talks about how Micheal Jordan is better then Lebron James because of this “killer mentality” he obviously forgot about the game 6 against Boston in the Eastern conference finals with the heat and the game when Lebron James scored the last 25 against the pistons in the playoffs, and he also went to 8 straight finals and yes Lebron is 3-6 in the finals and Michael is 6-0 but Lebron James has been to 3 more finals then Jordan. Also did Jordan ever go to 8 straight finals?, Micheal Jordan is 1-9 in the first round he couldn’t even win without Scottie Pippin and don’t say he didn’t have a super team when Michael Jordan was winning he had Scottie, Kerr, Rodman, Lebron James in his first time in Cleveland his next best player was Mo Williams and let’s not forget he went to the NBA finals by himself in 2006. Lastly when the Micheal Jordan left the bulls they had 55 wins and when Lebron left the Cavs both times they won only 19 games and let’s not forget he passed Micheal Jordan in scoring not taking anything away from Micheal Jordan basketball is a team sport and you can’t win by yourself
All facts! 💯
I love MJ, he is my favorite player of all time. But Skiiiipppppp, bring something new to the table, I heard that 2394873820459029 times already.
"Michael Jordan NEVER beat anybody!" 🤣 Beat more 60-win teams than Kobe and LeBron COMBINED. Kobe had Shaq. LeBron had DWade or Kyrie. Pippen isn't as good as those three offensively!
In that era he didn't need to be.
Pat4Clippers you’re wrong he beat Magic Johnson (hall of famer) and the Los Angeles Lakers in his first title! He beat Clyde the Glyde Drexler ( hall of famer) and the Portland TrailBlazers in his 2 Nd title win! He beat Charles Barkley (hall of famer) and the Phoenix Suns in his 3rd title win! He beat Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp (2 hall of fame players) and the Seattle SuperSonics in his 4 th title win! He also beat the Karl Malone and John Stockton ( 2 hall of fame players inducted with Michael Jordan in the hall of fame the same year) and the Utah Jazz for his 5 th and 6 th title wins respectively.
Matthew Mckissic Jordan faced the hardest competition in NBA History and DOMINATED and won the slam dunk contest against one of the baddest dunkers in Dominique Wilkins.
Matthew Mckissic oh you want proof ok Charles Barkley, a young Shaq O Neil, Penny Hardaway, a young Kobe Bryant, a young Allen Iverson, Larry Legend Bird, Magic Johnson, Clyde Drexler, Patrick Ewing, the Bad Boy Pistons, Mark Price and the Cavs, Indiana Pacers with Reggie Miller, the 90s New York Knicks, Karl Malone and the Utah Jazz, Hakeem and the Houston Rockets, Grand Ma Ma and the Charlotte Hornets, Harold Miner and the Miami Heat. NBA Jam the video game was based on Jordan’s Era of players which had two superstars on every team
JohnLevel30 Calhoun 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣 mj player the what ahahahh bro have you lost your mind
Lebron and MJ.
They're different.
They're both great.
The end.
Jordan got Sweep but never in the finals like LeBron did smh 🤦🏽♂️
Juan Garcia Facts
Getting swept before the finals in infinitely worse. You say that as if it's a good thing.