they could have done something more unique like i dont know a rock type metal burst so it can counter both physically or specially, or a very powerful but inaccurate rock type move that synergies with no guard and does more damage if you act second or something making attacking lycanroc while it wants to attack a gamble
@@vossboss220 I think sturdy + a rock type reversal would be more flavorful. It'd maybe be gimmicky but you could have Salac/Custap strats with it. Set up SD, proc your berry, then try to sweep.
I feel like if they weren't going to give it its own signature move, why not just make Accelerock a signature move for both forms and just be exclusive to the line?
@KeithTheGeek that might pigeonhole it a bit too much I think and put it in a similar position to linoone or Typhlosion where they can literally only realistically run one set. You already know as soon as you see one of the two in team preview the belly drum sitrus Berry or choice scarf eruption set is coming
@@kittyshippercavegirl It was anime exclusive for around 3-4 months. It then came to the games as an event exclusive form since it needed to be Own Tempo Rockruff in order to evolve into Dusk form
midday and dusk's stat difference is so funny that if it weren't for one of them being speed, it might as well have been negligible. midday has 115 atk/112 speed, dusk has 117 atk/110 speed. why even lmao
Oh, this type is very bad defensively with many common weaknesses, let's make it a slow, (a bit) bulky tank, and don't forget to NOT give it reliable recovery - Gamefreak, probably
I'm eternally bothered that there isn't a Lycanroc Dawn. It's so easy to imagine too: just a blue Midnight Lycanroc with Midday's rock "collar" and fluffier tail.
Gamefreak out there creating "defensive" Pokémon with awful defensive typing Seriously what did they hope by giving it counter, it doesn't even come with sturdy the little bit of trolling that can be made of it
@MidoriNatsume Or give it a signature move that actually works with their playstile. I mean, midday got accelrock and midnight got... Counter? I hate when GF play favorites. (Which is a shame because I think midnight is way cooler)
The fact that Gamefreak's decision to make Midnight the "defensive" equivalent to Midday by dropping a whopping 30 speed and distributing it as a barely noticeable 10 points in HP and defenses really says a lot about their concept of "balancing" things. Y'know, everything that wasn't said in abundance by Dracovish and Flutter Mane.
Lycanroc midnight is just like ceruldge, unapologetically designed to be cool to 7 years old me and thus exempt from all criticism, except on top of that it's an amazing design Oh yeah and it sucks, yeah, that too...
@@spacebar-vx7ck nonono, rock emo boy sucks unfortunately, ceruledge does not. I would trade the existence of fire emo boy for rock emo boy to thrive :(
Checking serebi, it's actually interesting how miday was the basis for dusk stat wise, but dusk and midnight share more moves with each other, like outrage. Midnight also learns a lot more moves due to it having hands
Its weird to me how there's a big difference between midday and midnight lycanroc and then dusk is just midday but spikier orange and better. Like I guess it's accurate to how mid-day/dusk/midnight work both irl and in pokemon but i found it kinda funny
I still find wack how Midday gets its own prio Rock move, while Midnight gets Counter and that's it. A Rock-type Revenge with higher power and/or that could set Stealth Rock if damaged could've been interesting IMO.
They could have at least made it like a wacky signature rock version of counter that like sets up stealth rocks when you counter something but whatever man
A conspiracy theory about the rock type: it’s secretly the most centralizing offensive type in Pokémon. Also game freak hates the rock type and wants you to hate it as well. Arguably the most important move in competitive singles is stealth rocks, so much so that some Pokémon were completely invalidated by being weak to it before the introduction of heavy duty boots, sacrificing an item slot is a pretty big deal. In doubles rockslide was arguably the most important move after protect for several generations. But rock is terrible defensively, has way fewer ways to exploit it’s weather since the best sand rush Pokémon isn’t even a rock type and two sand setters aren’t rock type either. It doesn’t boost it’s own damage in it’s weather or nerf another type, more types than itself are immune to it’s effect, they didn’t even give castform a sand form in spite of weather ball turning into a rock type move. And yeah; there’s the obvious problem of there being no good, accurate rock moves that aren’t signature, especially obnoxious when there is a rock quick attack sitting right there. I understand why you can’t widely distribute ivy cudgel, but mighty cleave, diamond storm and accelrock could easily be used by several other Pokémon.
I wish it got Fur Coat, it fits the idea of a rock furry somewhat bulky mon. EDIT : Wait that would give Lycanroc-Midnight 150 defense, that is... insane on paper, but lack of recovery lol. Why no Moonlight?
Midnight should have gotten Tough Claws as its second Ability over Vital Spirit to boost its non-Rock-type moves like Fire/Thunder Punch, Sucker Punch, Crunch, Iron Head, CC, etc. And Midday should have gotten Technician over Sand Rush to boost its Rock Tombs to 90 bp, giving it a mid-ground option between the 75 bp Rock Slide and the 80% accuracy Stone Edge, and to give it the strongest Accelerock (its previous signature move) over Dusk. Both Midnight and Dusk having Tough Claws would also grant them a similarity instead of Dusk just being spicy Midday. Midnight could have also had its own proper signature move. A Rock-type Metal Burst is pretty much all it needs to mitigate its weakness of special moves completely ignoring Counter. Or, since Alola has a couple of mons that were designed around pseudo-Counters already in Toucannon and Turtonator, it could have been a -3 priority move that boosts its defenses at the start of the turn and do 150 bp's worth of damage if it was hit before it moved for the turn. With Tough Claws, it is boosted to 195 bp, making it essentially a multi-use Rock-type Self-Destruct that actually gives some merit to using Midnight despite it having a massive 30+ base Speed drop over the other variants.
Midday is fun in doubles on sand simply because literally nothing outspeed it and where there’s a rockslide there’s a way, but it is kinda outclassed by Excadrill in every other way. Also yeah, accelrock is one of the weirdest signature moves, the forme that needs it the most doesn’t have access to it and flavor text wise there’s no real reason plenty of other rock types shouldn’t get it too.
Dusk is decent in Shared Power (where all Pokémon share abilities after one gets sent out) as one of the best donators of no gaurd to hustle teams as it has the ability to set rocks, endeavor and sucker punch late game. Additionally in shared power it’s less bulk is a benefit because if it faints after getting rocks up you can start your ability chain much sooner than the opponent.
Honestly Midday and Midnight feel like a form change idea more than a split branch, something where you have a good doggo then when a full moon shows up it transforms into a scary red werewolf (whos still a good boy)
Interesting how in VGC through SV it was midday Lycanroc who had the actual niche on sand teams That was due to lack of a better sand sweeper ofc, but the contrast between singles and VGC is interesting (doesn't help midnight Lycanroc tho)
Hear me out. We add Steel-type to Midnight (because it makes thematic sense with the whole mineral thing). Now it's neutral to Grass, and is immune to getting poison-chipped! You're welcome, Game Freak! ;)
That's even worse than mono-rock. Now it's got 4× weaknesses to two of the most common attacking types, one of which is literally THE most common attacking type.
@TwiliPaladin Not to mention, you lose THE ONE GOOD THING Rock has going for it being the Fire resist Rock and Ice have the inconceivable power to somehow make Steel a bad defensive type, they truly are in their own league
kinda wish Midday got sand force instead of sand rush with its already pretty good speed tier it could’ve had a niche on sand teams with that power boost from sand force
to take advantage of rock's many weaknesses, you could run a weakness policy on it. use agility, get hit super effectively, and if you survive, it's a 1 turn setup.
I think the rock dogs could benefit from a BST increase and additional typings to help them stand apart from one another, seeing Dusk has practically replaced Midday as the defacto pick thanks to its superior ability and move pool.
Honestly their BST sits at a point where you could justify a new evo stage (allows to shift stats around to help differentiate more, since most buffs are just +10 to one (to three) stat(s) usually. Ironically, Midnight probably would be best left as a mono-type, as most rock dual-types would pretty much just add weaknesses & compromise it's defensive schtick even more. The fan game Elite Redux makes midday part ground and dusk part fighting, and I kind of see it, but also those types have their own shortcomings.
There is a reason why midnight form doesn’t get Accelrock, it’s because Accelrock is midday form’s signature move. Now you might hear thinking, if it’s midday form’s signature move, then why does Dusk form have it? The reason for that is that Dusk form actually gets access to both of the other forms’ signature moves. “What do you mean? Dusk form doesn’t have a signature move.” Yes it does, but for some reason that signature move is… Counter, which might have noticed is not a new or exclusive move and has in fact existed since gen 1 and has been able to be learned by many different Pokemon. Yes, for whatever inscrutable reason, a lot of the flavor text regarding midnight form (ex. Pokedex entries, reveal description on the Pokemon SM website) revolves around “purposefully taking attacks in order to hit back with a stronger attack”. Counter is supposed to be midnight form’s “thing”. Maybe thematically they wanted it to have a negative priority move to contrast midday form’s positive priority move? Even if that was the case, the fact that midday form got a brand new move but midnight form didn’t is a crime.
I have seen a million and 1 ways to boost every Lycanroc, but Rock/Ghost Midnight is my favorite, followed closely by Rock/Normal Midday and Rock/Fighting Dusk. Just give it Moonlight and some ghost stab and it’d at least have a fun niche.
I swear that I'll never understand the idea to not give Accelrock, a priority move, to the one form that is designed to be slower. It would have made more sense if Midnight and Dusk had it instead of Midday and Dusk, ideally all three should have it, but it would have made more sense that way as it fits better with Midnight and Dusk is supposed to be the amalgamation of the two But please, I actually want Accelrock to be distributed to other mons that need it. A lot of slow Rock types would kill to have that move added to their movepool
back in 2020, i thought of this stupid set that isnt even gimmicky it's just dumb, u use blunder policy no guard lycanroc night next to weezing to shut off ur no guard so u can miss stone edge and activate ur blunder policy, fixing ur speed, then swapping out weezing or letting it die to regain no guard, bad...very, funny...i think so
In base Sun and Moon, they decided that the Lycanroc signature moves would be Accelerock for Midday and Counter as a pseudo signature for Midnight, a move that does not work well on it at all. Then with Duskroc, they decided it should have both, as well as Thrash and I believe Crush Claw. I feel like they could've easily given Accelerock to both standard forms while making ESpeed Midday's pseudo signature move. Another thing too about Midnight, the thing barely gets any moves that take advantage of No Guard. You've got Stone Edge, Iron Tail until S/V, Play Rough, Drill Run I guess, and that's basically it. Imagine if they'd given it Gunk Shot, or Power Whip, or Dynamic Punch
Scarf midnight is actually a pretty strong set, if you tweak the stats right, you can end up with a very strong coverage mon with moves like stone edge and play rough. (usually going past 350 speed after adding the scarf’s boost is extra, and can be added into attack with a +atk nature and maybe putting EVs into health)
I would give it a Rock Type counter that also endures against physical damage. (Would obviously count as a Protect move and fail from continuous usage.) Surely it wouldn't be anymore broken than what's come after it.
I feel like there are plenty of ways Gamefreak could buff Midnight form with some new moves, like if it had access to Iron Tail, Head Smash, Cross Chop, or Drain Punch. Maybe even Dynamic Punch although that might be making it too much of a Machamp clone.
Midnight needs a reimagination. The tradeoff of speed for all that """"bulk"""" is just not worth it, resulting in a plain confusing design. They would get a +30 stat points, midday and dusk would get midnight's bulk, and midnight now has 125 attack and 102 speed. Just a couple more numbers can go a long way in making the quality of unmissable stone edges actually desirable by outpacing tons of pokemon and more juice to pick up on KOs. Hell lets give it Dynamic Punch and Head Smash too while we're at it.
I don't even know if in doubles trying to go for baton pass, coaching or using Alcremie's decorate could save midnight Lycanroc's situation in any way.
I’m gonna be honest, I don’t think I’ve ever encountered the move accelerock. I’ve played all the games but I don’t really play/watch comp, still wild to just not know a priority move exists.
Okey so Midday is used on sand teams with Sand rush while Dusk can be used on Hyper offense with Tough Claws? Interesting doggos, so similar yet play such different roles.
Its kinda weird that they settled for 82 speed honestly. Alola is infamous for having VERY slow mons, so if they were gonna drop Lycanroc's speed anyways, why 82 and not something more extreme so they could at least dump more stats into either bulk or attack? Its a shame too bc a No Guard Rock-type is really cool given Rock moves have bad accuracy, but Midnight just kinda can't get it to work all that well
Midnight Lycanrock kinda reminds me of a less extreme version of Rampardos, actually. Attack is it's best stat, but everything else it has isn't really good by comparison -- I KNOW that Rampardos technically has more attack and worse in everything else, but it's the same basic principle of the other stats not being good enough for it to make it's biggest selling points worthwhile. Both have the same problem of lacking in both defensive hit-taking bulk, while also not being fast enough to outspeed too many targets, which, coupled with their bad mono-rock defensive typing, is not doing either of these Pokemon any favors. While I get that Midnight was supposed to be the more defensively inclined Lycanrock form, it doesn't have nearly enough bulk to be able to commit to that role -- which comes back to what I mentioned prior about it's stats other than attack being decidedly lacking at best
I love midnight Lycanroc, even have a I believe around life sized plush of one, and having the ability to have Stone Edge and Rock Slide never miss plus be STAB moves is pretty good, but tbh other than that Midnight Lycanroc can't do much, like it's ok with a Choice Scarf I guess I've used it in both Ranked Singles and Doubles and I mean it's alright, sometimes lmao
they could have done something more unique like i dont know a rock type metal burst for midnight so it can counter both physically or specially, or a very powerful but inaccurate rock type move that synergies with no guard and does more damage if you act second after being attacked or something making attacking lycanroc while it wants to attack a gamble. Metal burst + revenge type move.
I find it strange how their stats aren't like 510~525 considering it was marketed as gen 7's Lucario which had solid stats(at least for gen 4 standards) and zoroark from gen 5 who functions as a glass canon with 105/120/105 offense. Midnight if it had passable bulk and a healing move still suffers from being a bulk rock type but would be better than a fair amount of them. Lycanroc Midday with slightly more attack and speed could've been almost like a poor man's weavile while Midday a balance of the two but doesn't suffer as much from their weaknesses.
If you ever did a powerpoint on messed up boosting moves, i could see a few candidates: Gen 1 Amnesia since it's 2 calm minds in 1 turn Geomancy Xerneas with a power herb Quiver dance volc and maybe venomoth if you count lower tiers Victory dance ...Shell smash...
It bothers me so much that they only designed Lycanroc Midnight withot thinking about how a slow, tanky and extremely strong Pokémon should have defense stats above 100
really weird that lycanroc!night doesn't get moonlight. it's a friggin bulky (or at least trying to be) werewolf you only get at night, it should absolutely have access to it!!!
Lets be real, midnight form should just get accelerock, it's dumb that both Midday and Dusk for get it, if it was just Midday that had it then fine, and I know Midnight and Dusk both get counter but counter sucks and it's not a signature move like accelerock
Anyone else ever get a conspiracy inkling that they actually made a really good Lycanroc Midnight in alpha, and then nerfed it to Hell to better market the gimmick dog? I don't quite feel like they would have intended it to be this bad, but this design is so obviously sandbagged, especially compared to its counterparts. Counter? Really? It doesn't even have avalugg chops
Let's see, Midday gets Accelerock, Midnight gets...Counter. You know what? Fuck this, I'm thinking of a new signature move for it: Super Counter! What does it do? A Rock-Type move wirh negative priority that combines Metal Burst and Magic Coat: It bounces back all damage received if hit by a direct attack while deflecting status moves back at the opponent! Or it can just get its own signature version of Shift Gear so it can sweep teams after a boost lol.
Midnight Lycanroc is bad it's infuriating. If they wanted it to be the slower, bulkier one, they should have just committed and moved way more points from it's speed to the defenses or HP. It definitely should have had Accelerock or maybe a better defensive move than Counter
Fuck it, minor Lycanroc-Midnight rework idea, go: 105/115/65/55/65/82 Abilities: Keen Eye, Sturdy, No Guard (HA) *Why does the mon built around using Counter have the most average HP stat known to man? Why does Midday get a signature move, but it doesn't. And why was it a fucking version exclusive? The world will never know...*
the cost of having a 100% accurate rock type stab
Meanwhile, Ogerpon:
Oh nooo, I have to run a different flavored mask :(
*100 accurate 100 BP rock move with crit chance*
@@degeneratewithasideoftidep6795 *teehees in 1.2x damage boost to all moves*
I don’t think midnight gets accelrock? for some reason?
Nvm forgot about no guard, even tho I ran it my first play thru of gen 7
Dont forget its "exclusive move" is fucking COUNTER.
They really did it dirty for like, no reason.
Exactly. I want to "talk" to whoever decided giving them COUNTER as the exclusive move was a good idea.
they could have done something more unique like i dont know a rock type metal burst so it can counter both physically or specially, or a very powerful but inaccurate rock type move that synergies with no guard and does more damage if you act second or something making attacking lycanroc while it wants to attack a gamble
@@vossboss220 I think sturdy + a rock type reversal would be more flavorful. It'd maybe be gimmicky but you could have Salac/Custap strats with it. Set up SD, proc your berry, then try to sweep.
I feel like if they weren't going to give it its own signature move, why not just make Accelerock a signature move for both forms and just be exclusive to the line?
@KeithTheGeek that might pigeonhole it a bit too much I think and put it in a similar position to linoone or Typhlosion where they can literally only realistically run one set. You already know as soon as you see one of the two in team preview the belly drum sitrus Berry or choice scarf eruption set is coming
This is where we all say “Thank You” to the anime for giving us a Lycanroc form that’s actually usable.
Wait, the anime has a special Lycanroc? how have I not seen this, I'm a furry
@@kittyshippercavegirl ash's lycanroc is dusk form, which is the best form
@@flaria185 Was it in the anime before the games? I'm confused
@@kittyshippercavegirl It was anime exclusive for around 3-4 months. It then came to the games as an event exclusive form since it needed to be Own Tempo Rockruff in order to evolve into Dusk form
@@Piggly8w8 I see! interesting
If only rock types were allowed to have a 100 accuracy move
the ogerpon in the corner:
Well, Accelerock does, actually.
@@ElectricWindGirlFriendpun intended?
@@andormak8402 yes :)
AncientPower says hi.
midday and dusk's stat difference is so funny that if it weren't for one of them being speed, it might as well have been negligible. midday has 115 atk/112 speed, dusk has 117 atk/110 speed. why even lmao
Tough Claws makes the actual difference between Midday and Dusk's Attack much bigger
Midday is meant to be super speedy hence why it's used over Dusk in sand teams
My headcanon is they went for a "ooh look it's the transition between day and night form also in stats!" but it just feels awkward?
@@MaahirMomtaz12Dusk is also stuck with Tough Claws as it’s only ability, Midday gets Sand rush which is why it sees use in Sand teams
The tank midnight werewolf doesn't get Moonlight? Gamefreak...
Game Freak giving defensive, non-Flying Rock/Steel-types any recovery move challenge (Impossible)
Oh, this type is very bad defensively with many common weaknesses, let's make it a slow, (a bit) bulky tank, and don't forget to NOT give it reliable recovery
- Gamefreak, probably
I'm eternally bothered that there isn't a Lycanroc Dawn. It's so easy to imagine too: just a blue Midnight Lycanroc with Midday's rock "collar" and fluffier tail.
Something like the shiny?
This one would be the special attacker of the group.
The reason it hasn’t happened is because GF probably doesn’t feel like giving rockruff a 5th possible ability yet
@shirshobanerjee7751 nah just make it so own tempo evolves at 6am instead of 6pm like Dusk
@@AutumnOwlex I guess but giving rockruff a 5th ability is funnier
Gamefreak out there creating "defensive" Pokémon with awful defensive typing
Seriously what did they hope by giving it counter, it doesn't even come with sturdy the little bit of trolling that can be made of it
And then looking at ice types and going "what they need is more bulk" with hail turned to snow.
H i s u i a n A v a l u g g
Another thing is they designed it to use Counter, and yet has the most average HP stat known to man.
I feel like there was a wasted opportunity of making them a Physical/Special/Defensive trio.
Right now we have Dusk, Medium Dusk, and Punchbag.
@MidoriNatsume Or give it a signature move that actually works with their playstile. I mean, midday got accelrock and midnight got... Counter? I hate when GF play favorites. (Which is a shame because I think midnight is way cooler)
The fact that Gamefreak's decision to make Midnight the "defensive" equivalent to Midday by dropping a whopping 30 speed and distributing it as a barely noticeable 10 points in HP and defenses really says a lot about their concept of "balancing" things. Y'know, everything that wasn't said in abundance by Dracovish and Flutter Mane.
Lycanroc midnight is just like ceruldge, unapologetically designed to be cool to 7 years old me and thus exempt from all criticism, except on top of that it's an amazing design
Oh yeah and it sucks, yeah, that too...
since when does ceruledge suck? it's jumped between OU and UUBL a few times.
@@spacebar-vx7ck nonono, rock emo boy sucks unfortunately, ceruledge does not.
I would trade the existence of fire emo boy for rock emo boy to thrive :(
Checking serebi, it's actually interesting how miday was the basis for dusk stat wise, but dusk and midnight share more moves with each other, like outrage. Midnight also learns a lot more moves due to it having hands
Its weird to me how there's a big difference between midday and midnight lycanroc and then dusk is just midday but spikier orange and better. Like I guess it's accurate to how mid-day/dusk/midnight work both irl and in pokemon but i found it kinda funny
how tf is dusk irl spikier and better
@@Magikarpador it is better because it is orange and that's awesome, and it very much spikier in a secret misterious way
I still find wack how Midday gets its own prio Rock move, while Midnight gets Counter and that's it.
A Rock-type Revenge with higher power and/or that could set Stealth Rock if damaged could've been interesting IMO.
It can't even use its "signature move" properly. They didn't even have the decency to give it Sturdy.
The pokedex mentions how Midnight Lycanroc likes to attack recklessly with its head, and it doesn't get Head Smash...
So basically midnight got counter and mid day got accelerock, dusk gets both
oh yeah i wish i had mentioned that. midnight's "exclusive" move being counter is so wild
Its actually interesting checking on serebii seeing what different moves they all get and what moves are exclusive to each one@ElectricWindGirlFriend
They could have at least made it like a wacky signature rock version of counter that like sets up stealth rocks when you counter something but whatever man
That's what happens when you're an ash exclusive Pokemon
@InsertFunnyThingHere Or at least a Rock-type version of Metal Burst so you don't get slammed by special/mixed attackers.
A conspiracy theory about the rock type: it’s secretly the most centralizing offensive type in Pokémon. Also game freak hates the rock type and wants you to hate it as well. Arguably the most important move in competitive singles is stealth rocks, so much so that some Pokémon were completely invalidated by being weak to it before the introduction of heavy duty boots, sacrificing an item slot is a pretty big deal. In doubles rockslide was arguably the most important move after protect for several generations. But rock is terrible defensively, has way fewer ways to exploit it’s weather since the best sand rush Pokémon isn’t even a rock type and two sand setters aren’t rock type either. It doesn’t boost it’s own damage in it’s weather or nerf another type, more types than itself are immune to it’s effect, they didn’t even give castform a sand form in spite of weather ball turning into a rock type move. And yeah; there’s the obvious problem of there being no good, accurate rock moves that aren’t signature, especially obnoxious when there is a rock quick attack sitting right there. I understand why you can’t widely distribute ivy cudgel, but mighty cleave, diamond storm and accelrock could easily be used by several other Pokémon.
um two of the three sand stream users are rock type
@@Kawi31 Yes, but every other weather setter is the type of the weather and I’m also counting sand spit.
I wish it got Fur Coat, it fits the idea of a rock furry somewhat bulky mon.
EDIT : Wait that would give Lycanroc-Midnight 150 defense, that is... insane on paper, but lack of recovery lol. Why no Moonlight?
Midnight should have gotten Tough Claws as its second Ability over Vital Spirit to boost its non-Rock-type moves like Fire/Thunder Punch, Sucker Punch, Crunch, Iron Head, CC, etc. And Midday should have gotten Technician over Sand Rush to boost its Rock Tombs to 90 bp, giving it a mid-ground option between the 75 bp Rock Slide and the 80% accuracy Stone Edge, and to give it the strongest Accelerock (its previous signature move) over Dusk. Both Midnight and Dusk having Tough Claws would also grant them a similarity instead of Dusk just being spicy Midday.
Midnight could have also had its own proper signature move. A Rock-type Metal Burst is pretty much all it needs to mitigate its weakness of special moves completely ignoring Counter. Or, since Alola has a couple of mons that were designed around pseudo-Counters already in Toucannon and Turtonator, it could have been a -3 priority move that boosts its defenses at the start of the turn and do 150 bp's worth of damage if it was hit before it moved for the turn. With Tough Claws, it is boosted to 195 bp, making it essentially a multi-use Rock-type Self-Destruct that actually gives some merit to using Midnight despite it having a massive 30+ base Speed drop over the other variants.
Midday is fun in doubles on sand simply because literally nothing outspeed it and where there’s a rockslide there’s a way, but it is kinda outclassed by Excadrill in every other way. Also yeah, accelrock is one of the weirdest signature moves, the forme that needs it the most doesn’t have access to it and flavor text wise there’s no real reason plenty of other rock types shouldn’t get it too.
Dusk is decent in Shared Power (where all Pokémon share abilities after one gets sent out) as one of the best donators of no gaurd to hustle teams as it has the ability to set rocks, endeavor and sucker punch late game. Additionally in shared power it’s less bulk is a benefit because if it faints after getting rocks up you can start your ability chain much sooner than the opponent.
Cant even say that I wish it were rock/dark because this combination is even worse 😅
Because of a certain controversial poketuber I will sadly never be able to see Lycanroc midnight the same again
i hate how he doesnt have tough claws ARE THE DEVS BLIND LOOK AT HIS CLAWSSSS i think they just mixed it up n rolled with it
At least she is remembered fondly for her part played in Regulation 34
Honestly Midday and Midnight feel like a form change idea more than a split branch, something where you have a good doggo then when a full moon shows up it transforms into a scary red werewolf (whos still a good boy)
Rock Morpeko?
I find it kinda weird that midnight lycanroc doesn't get moonlight
Lycanroc Midday watching their faster variants get a priority move:
Interesting how in VGC through SV it was midday Lycanroc who had the actual niche on sand teams
That was due to lack of a better sand sweeper ofc, but the contrast between singles and VGC is interesting (doesn't help midnight Lycanroc tho)
Hear me out. We add Steel-type to Midnight (because it makes thematic sense with the whole mineral thing). Now it's neutral to Grass, and is immune to getting poison-chipped! You're welcome, Game Freak! ;)
A little puny Low Sweep or Bulldoze appear and it's health bar disappears
That's even worse than mono-rock. Now it's got 4× weaknesses to two of the most common attacking types, one of which is literally THE most common attacking type.
@TwiliPaladin Not to mention, you lose THE ONE GOOD THING Rock has going for it being the Fire resist
Rock and Ice have the inconceivable power to somehow make Steel a bad defensive type, they truly are in their own league
Good lord! Can't even joke around here! None of yinz have any sense of subtly!
Oh, also, thanks for not unnecessarily gendering the dogs! It may be small, but it's really nice!
kinda wish Midday got sand force instead of sand rush with its already pretty good speed tier it could’ve had a niche on sand teams with that power boost from sand force
Your voice sounded a bit different today so good work on that :3 (also curse you universe for constantly finding ways to remind me to voice train)
Domain expansion:No guard
Is easily the best joke you ever made
to take advantage of rock's many weaknesses, you could run a weakness policy on it. use agility, get hit super effectively, and if you survive, it's a 1 turn setup.
Best thing about these videos are the daily reminders to click for Palestine
I think the rock dogs could benefit from a BST increase and additional typings to help them stand apart from one another, seeing Dusk has practically replaced Midday as the defacto pick thanks to its superior ability and move pool.
Honestly their BST sits at a point where you could justify a new evo stage (allows to shift stats around to help differentiate more, since most buffs are just +10 to one (to three) stat(s) usually.
Ironically, Midnight probably would be best left as a mono-type, as most rock dual-types would pretty much just add weaknesses & compromise it's defensive schtick even more.
The fan game Elite Redux makes midday part ground and dusk part fighting, and I kind of see it, but also those types have their own shortcomings.
It's tragic because Midnight has my favourite design
This is the cost of having the best design on top of an accurate Rock move smh
There is a reason why midnight form doesn’t get Accelrock, it’s because Accelrock is midday form’s signature move. Now you might hear thinking, if it’s midday form’s signature move, then why does Dusk form have it? The reason for that is that Dusk form actually gets access to both of the other forms’ signature moves. “What do you mean? Dusk form doesn’t have a signature move.” Yes it does, but for some reason that signature move is… Counter, which might have noticed is not a new or exclusive move and has in fact existed since gen 1 and has been able to be learned by many different Pokemon.
Yes, for whatever inscrutable reason, a lot of the flavor text regarding midnight form (ex. Pokedex entries, reveal description on the Pokemon SM website) revolves around “purposefully taking attacks in order to hit back with a stronger attack”. Counter is supposed to be midnight form’s “thing”. Maybe thematically they wanted it to have a negative priority move to contrast midday form’s positive priority move? Even if that was the case, the fact that midday form got a brand new move but midnight form didn’t is a crime.
No guard makes me stone edge... Ok I'll see myself out.
boooooo
@@ElectricWindGirlFriend fair enough
I have seen a million and 1 ways to boost every Lycanroc, but Rock/Ghost Midnight is my favorite, followed closely by Rock/Normal Midday and Rock/Fighting Dusk. Just give it Moonlight and some ghost stab and it’d at least have a fun niche.
Rock/Ghosts aren't allowed, silly, you know that
The fact that the two fast forms got a signature move with priority, when the slower one that actually needs priority gets... Counter
I swear that I'll never understand the idea to not give Accelrock, a priority move, to the one form that is designed to be slower.
It would have made more sense if Midnight and Dusk had it instead of Midday and Dusk, ideally all three should have it, but it would have made more sense that way as it fits better with Midnight and Dusk is supposed to be the amalgamation of the two
But please, I actually want Accelrock to be distributed to other mons that need it. A lot of slow Rock types would kill to have that move added to their movepool
they should give Midnight Rock Polish and Dynamic Punch
back in 2020, i thought of this stupid set that isnt even gimmicky it's just dumb, u use blunder policy no guard lycanroc night next to weezing to shut off ur no guard so u can miss stone edge and activate ur blunder policy, fixing ur speed, then swapping out weezing or letting it die to regain no guard, bad...very, funny...i think so
lmao thats so bad but i love it
I still remember pre-DLC days of Tyranitar being forced to use Lycanroc Midday if it wanted a Sand Rush abuser 😅 (in VGC and Singles)
This mon frustrates me to no end. It hunts my dream no other. (Besides pesky dust)
The fact that ZU is basically an official tier now is a gen 9 moment
Dusk is a monster in draft
In base Sun and Moon, they decided that the Lycanroc signature moves would be Accelerock for Midday and Counter as a pseudo signature for Midnight, a move that does not work well on it at all. Then with Duskroc, they decided it should have both, as well as Thrash and I believe Crush Claw. I feel like they could've easily given Accelerock to both standard forms while making ESpeed Midday's pseudo signature move.
Another thing too about Midnight, the thing barely gets any moves that take advantage of No Guard. You've got Stone Edge, Iron Tail until S/V, Play Rough, Drill Run I guess, and that's basically it. Imagine if they'd given it Gunk Shot, or Power Whip, or Dynamic Punch
I feel like I might be one of only a few who'll get the boxing reference in the last slide.
Scarf midnight is actually a pretty strong set, if you tweak the stats right, you can end up with a very strong coverage mon with moves like stone edge and play rough. (usually going past 350 speed after adding the scarf’s boost is extra, and can be added into attack with a +atk nature and maybe putting EVs into health)
I would give it a Rock Type counter that also endures against physical damage. (Would obviously count as a Protect move and fail from continuous usage.) Surely it wouldn't be anymore broken than what's come after it.
honestly i think lycanroc midnight needs just one simple buff to completely dominate: give it fissure (i like seeing the world burn)
Such a great visual design just to get shat on by the Pokemon Company.
All that matters is that it's a sexy werewolf :3
Good video
I love lycanroc. He’s the best boy
how this thing isn't a rock/dark type is beyond me
Maybe in a generation or two, Lycanroc's respectable BST of 487 will be eclipsed by the new hotness' attack or speed stat alone
I feel like there are plenty of ways Gamefreak could buff Midnight form with some new moves, like if it had access to Iron Tail, Head Smash, Cross Chop, or Drain Punch. Maybe even Dynamic Punch although that might be making it too much of a Machamp clone.
Midnight needs a reimagination. The tradeoff of speed for all that """"bulk"""" is just not worth it, resulting in a plain confusing design. They would get a +30 stat points, midday and dusk would get midnight's bulk, and midnight now has 125 attack and 102 speed. Just a couple more numbers can go a long way in making the quality of unmissable stone edges actually desirable by outpacing tons of pokemon and more juice to pick up on KOs. Hell lets give it Dynamic Punch and Head Smash too while we're at it.
I don't even know if in doubles trying to go for baton pass, coaching or using Alcremie's decorate could save midnight Lycanroc's situation in any way.
Midnight is so badly designed. It needed more bulk, dual stab, and the ability to boost its speed
I’m gonna be honest, I don’t think I’ve ever encountered the move accelerock. I’ve played all the games but I don’t really play/watch comp, still wild to just not know a priority move exists.
Okey so Midday is used on sand teams with Sand rush while Dusk can be used on Hyper offense with Tough Claws? Interesting doggos, so similar yet play such different roles.
he does, ironically, not have that dawg in him
Its kinda weird that they settled for 82 speed honestly. Alola is infamous for having VERY slow mons, so if they were gonna drop Lycanroc's speed anyways, why 82 and not something more extreme so they could at least dump more stats into either bulk or attack?
Its a shame too bc a No Guard Rock-type is really cool given Rock moves have bad accuracy, but Midnight just kinda can't get it to work all that well
Midnight Lycanrock kinda reminds me of a less extreme version of Rampardos, actually. Attack is it's best stat, but everything else it has isn't really good by comparison -- I KNOW that Rampardos technically has more attack and worse in everything else, but it's the same basic principle of the other stats not being good enough for it to make it's biggest selling points worthwhile. Both have the same problem of lacking in both defensive hit-taking bulk, while also not being fast enough to outspeed too many targets, which, coupled with their bad mono-rock defensive typing, is not doing either of these Pokemon any favors. While I get that Midnight was supposed to be the more defensively inclined Lycanrock form, it doesn't have nearly enough bulk to be able to commit to that role -- which comes back to what I mentioned prior about it's stats other than attack being decidedly lacking at best
I love midnight lycanroc
I love midnight Lycanroc, even have a I believe around life sized plush of one, and having the ability to have Stone Edge and Rock Slide never miss plus be STAB moves is pretty good, but tbh other than that Midnight Lycanroc can't do much, like it's ok with a Choice Scarf I guess I've used it in both Ranked Singles and Doubles and I mean it's alright, sometimes lmao
Someone definitely ate a fissure
they could have done something more unique like i dont know a rock type metal burst for midnight so it can counter both physically or specially, or a very powerful but inaccurate rock type move that synergies with no guard and does more damage if you act second after being attacked or something making attacking lycanroc while it wants to attack a gamble. Metal burst + revenge type move.
I find it strange how their stats aren't like 510~525 considering it was marketed as gen 7's Lucario which had solid stats(at least for gen 4 standards) and zoroark from gen 5 who functions as a glass canon with 105/120/105 offense. Midnight if it had passable bulk and a healing move still suffers from being a bulk rock type but would be better than a fair amount of them. Lycanroc Midday with slightly more attack and speed could've been almost like a poor man's weavile while Midday a balance of the two but doesn't suffer as much from their weaknesses.
Man I wish it was Dark type too and got Accelerock...
Dark typing would make it objectively worse in every way. Imagine ttar with none of the perks of ttar.
If you ever did a powerpoint on messed up boosting moves, i could see a few candidates:
Gen 1 Amnesia since it's 2 calm minds in 1 turn
Geomancy Xerneas with a power herb
Quiver dance volc and maybe venomoth if you count lower tiers
Victory dance
...Shell smash...
ive been tempted but other people have made videos about it before and esp for a more niche topic like that i dont want to take the topic.
@@ElectricWindGirlFriendthat's fair
Reminds me of the regulation A Quaquaval + Oricorio team I saw. More fun than effective though.
It bothers me so much that they only designed Lycanroc Midnight withot thinking about how a slow, tanky and extremely strong Pokémon should have defense stats above 100
why did midnight lose suckerpunch?!
midday can use it and it doesn't even have fists!
The night one is my favorite.
really weird that lycanroc!night doesn't get moonlight. it's a friggin bulky (or at least trying to be) werewolf you only get at night, it should absolutely have access to it!!!
It was kind of fun with a choice scarf in SwSh when it had iron tail. Still not good, but it's my favorite just for its design haha
no guard fissure... wouldn't that be broken in stabmons or hackmons?
Lets be real, midnight form should just get accelerock, it's dumb that both Midday and Dusk for get it, if it was just Midday that had it then fine, and I know Midnight and Dusk both get counter but counter sucks and it's not a signature move like accelerock
2:54 Tera dark makes it an effective gambit copy in ZU as well
ok well this form has the best shiny of the 3
Anyone else ever get a conspiracy inkling that they actually made a really good Lycanroc Midnight in alpha, and then nerfed it to Hell to better market the gimmick dog?
I don't quite feel like they would have intended it to be this bad, but this design is so obviously sandbagged, especially compared to its counterparts.
Counter? Really? It doesn't even have avalugg chops
Love midnight lyconroc even if it's weird in competitive
Let's see, Midday gets Accelerock, Midnight gets...Counter. You know what? Fuck this, I'm thinking of a new signature move for it: Super Counter! What does it do? A Rock-Type move wirh negative priority that combines Metal Burst and Magic Coat: It bounces back all damage received if hit by a direct attack while deflecting status moves back at the opponent! Or it can just get its own signature version of Shift Gear so it can sweep teams after a boost lol.
Midnight Lycanroc is bad it's infuriating. If they wanted it to be the slower, bulkier one, they should have just committed and moved way more points from it's speed to the defenses or HP. It definitely should have had Accelerock or maybe a better defensive move than Counter
Day 1 of asking for a presentation on Malamar
Midnight should’ve gotten accelrock tbh
They should have been Rock/Normal, Rock/Dark, and Rock/Fighting.
Have always wished Rockruff was Rock/Normal, like how is it not? What can Gamefreak even make as a Rock/Normal at this point if Rockruff isn't it?
counterpoint: it looks the coolest :)
i had always thought lycanroc midnight was rock dark, why is it mono rock it should totally be dark type
give it solid rock at least. it won't be enough but itll help
Fuck it, minor Lycanroc-Midnight rework idea, go:
105/115/65/55/65/82
Abilities: Keen Eye, Sturdy, No Guard (HA)
*Why does the mon built around using Counter have the most average HP stat known to man? Why does Midday get a signature move, but it doesn't. And why was it a fucking version exclusive? The world will never know...*
Anyways, I know it's still shit in comp, I'm just doubling down on what's already there and allowing it to pull off some anime bullshit.
lets go bro
swag
Midnight Lycanroc is one of my favourite.mons which really sucks cause I know it's bad.
Will we ever see an ampharos powerpoint?
if i can find a unique way to talk about it then sure!
@@ElectricWindGirlFriend the shiny is neat and it's a funny guy, what more do you need.