"It's hard to imagine, now that it's 2019, what it must have been like. People say 'Oh, if only I got some Wyvern packs pack in the day and got some Giant Ants' - Oh look at that, 'Lightning Bolt'... - But that's just how it was back then. We didn't know what would be the next thing. Ooo, look at the art on this, 'Time Walk'... Some sort of... skinless skeleton guys with clock faces? Just look at the art on this! What a way to end the video. Anyway, this is Rudy with Wyvern Investments, signing off."
@@myrhev Not quite. They used a new artist for all of the final expansion, Chameleon, as well as for four of the cards from Phoenix. Still two artists for an entire game is pretty unheard of.
"How is the product better with less technology?" Cardboard has gotten more expensive with time. Seriously...My friend's father works in a warehouse, and their shipping bottom line has increased by 24% because the cost of boxes have gone up so much. Blame Amazon...and no, that isn't a joke. Blame Amazon...as the prime subscription service tripled the demand for cardboard in the USA. We should be thankful that things aren't even more cheaply made than they are. In order to maintain both the profit margins and card quality that MtG had in around 2007, they'd have to increase the cost of booster packs by around 25%.
I agree with blame amazon but not due entirely to Prime. I often get a giant box filled with bubble packaging only to have a small item inside it. Amazon ships in any box they feel like. It is crazy.
I use to play Magic the Gathering with Mike Fitzgerald In Stamford, Ct in the early 90's when he was also play testing Wyvern using blank cards and magic markers before it went to print. Mike hosted a radio show on wabc (I can't quite remember if it was that or wcbs) in New York before he came to our game gourp. Its too bad Wyvern didn't last, Mike a nice guy.
It had to be before since I didn't know he worked on Pokemon. I lost touch with him after 96'. I guess he kept the playtest cards. One thing I remember is Mike being very proud when they started to have Wyvern competitions. Also there was another card game who name escape me that had special cards in them with picture of game designers like Richard Garfield and I remember Mike showing me his card. Like I said, too bad his card game didn't last.
"You can tell somebody actually took the time to draw these things." Literally all the artist signatures are the same person up to this point in the video. So, yes, somebody. One person. That's pretty awesome.
I watch the whole video and it broke my heart seeing these cards again. When i was 10 I saw these cards in the store and I had to have them because of the art work, I did not even care to play the game. I just bought the cards from my chore money to just get these beautiful art work,. The sadness to my story comes when I brought the cards with me to school one day because i wanted to draw from when I was not doing school work. I asked the teacher to go to the restroom and when i got back my box of cards where gone and when class let out I found my cards litter all over the school lawn. The wind blowing them away. I was so heart broken I never bought them again out of fear that someone would take my cards again. I would like to get some of these cards back just for fondness.
Pracownik, the artist who did these cards, also did a tarot deck called "The Dragon Tarot" which I bought in high school and still own. I immediately identified his style from having played Wyvern in my younger years and couldn't resist purchasing it. It remains one of my most prized possessions for the old school art alone.
We sold these at the KB Toy Works I worked at for really cheap . I bought some packs even though I didn't know ANYONE who played. Always loved the gritty, even moody, art style to these cards.
I was surprised to see a Wyvern video on this channel, but it's great to see the game getting some love from someone as visible as you are. You asked for stories, and though I don't really have any myself, having only begun collecting the game within the past few years, I know a fair amount about the different sets, products, and rules, so feel free to reach out if you've got any questions about the game.
Rudy, not a single variant of possible pronunciations you listed were even close to correct, not even within a reasonable margin of error. Who the hell were these people saying this word that way? They need to go back to school. It's "WHY-VERN" or, in some accents "WIV-VERN"
@@wearealreadydeadfam8214 It's a legendary creature, it wasn't invented for D&D.... You could have looked up the two accepted pronunciations in any half decent dictionary.
Digital art is enjoyable depending on whose doing it, I've seen great stuff, if only WOTC weren't such prudes of late. But yeah there is a charming simplicity to early CCG artwork in the early 90s, and old school D&D to some extent.
Hi Rudy! I remember purchasing a bunch of this game when I was young. At this time, It was really hard to get revised mtg boosters. The market was flooded with fallen empire packs and i spotted this game. It looked like my perfect game. Dragons. Loot. Magic Spells and Epic terrain cards. The prob was me and my friends never figured out how to play it right. I still have a few booster boxes and just keep them because of the art inside. Thanks for the video.
A very intersting thing I found today: there are magic card misprints from Fallen Empires, which have magic fronts and Wyvern card backs. They were, it seems very common, since they are sold on a big platform I normally use for buying singles.
As a regular in my local card store back in the mid 90s the owner threw us a starter deck and a booster pavk for my friend and I. "Tell me what you think" a said. We went home opened and played it. It was a great game for the time. Magic was still our main focus but we would always get a Wyvern game in. Sadly, I think we were the only 2 buying them from our store so he stopped carrying them. We were not the only patrons, for the time it was a very large comic/ card store. Thanks Rudy for putting this great game back in the light.
I just found this video today. I was a Magic, Star Wars CCG, and Overpower guy back then, but I had a friend who was into Wyvern (we called it "whi-vern") who tried to get me into it it. I never bought any, but I remember seeing it in InQuest and Scrye. Great video! Wyvern feels like SUPER early (pre-1995) Magic.
Theres something about opening up old product. It's not even always about nostalgia as I've never even heard of this game or the fact that it's worth alot as this tcg is worthless. Doesn't matter what tcg it is Mtg, Yugioh, Pokemon, or even one of these more obscure ones. I love it all.
@@BurnBird1 is wyvern an English word though? Certainly not a modern word. Nobody who is literate can look at the word 'wyvern' and just blurt out 'worm.' That's just laziness.
I started playing Magic around Ice Age. I remember playing a few other games at that time also. My friend's loved a game called RAGE which was a Werewolf game. I played the Star Trek and Star Wars CCGs a little also... but I think my favorite game aside from Rage and Magic was a football game called Red Zone. It had a really fun system to determine whether or not your your plays gained or lost yards, made a TD, or was a turnover.
OH! MY! GOD! This is SO cool! I don't usually like the look of early 90's TCG's but these are AMAZING. Why can't we have this TCG back again? I would SO play it.
It's WHY-vern. You know, like what Ernest would say. That aside, this was one of my absolute favorite games (second only to the Harper Prisim AvP/Terminator). Too bad there wasn't more support for the game, great potential.
Saddest Failed Card Game... VS System. Fantastic game, fun, great art(its all comics, how can it not be great art?) and a great following. Upper Deck screwed the pooch... I'll send you some VS cards to show from my PT days. No point to sell them yet...
When i was a kid my friends dad took us to a convention to play magic and look at cards and stuff. People were there promoting this game. They gave us each an armload of starter decks for free. It was super fun but after that they kinda just got shoved to the back of the magic box. Our comic shop didnt sell them and nobody else played it. The game was really cool i think it just never got off the ground properly. We always pronounced it Wi-Vern
I was in Warrensburg, MO for a "sanctioned" MTG tournament in 1995ish (Chronicles was the latest set), and there was a Wyvern tournament first that had to finish prior to the MTG tournament taking place. It was agonizing, as the games seemed to take forever to complete. The only other thing I recall from that event was watching someone use a City of Brass repeatedly (we're talking ~10 times) without taking the damage and the opponent never noticing. The cheater won the match, but he'd have been dead twice over if the opponent had been paying attention.
From a time travel point of view. If you went back in time and bought all the early Magic cards, then those cards would not be available for people to buy back then, the game would have been played by less people, maybe not have caught on, and we would have #AlphaInvestments talking about the failed Magic game instead of normally talking about Wyvern. Or... perhaps someone DID go back in time and buy up all the Wyvern cards so Magic would become the successful game. Have fun pondering that thought tonight.
IF they have production capacity. wizards couldn't meet demand with sets up until FE. stores would ask for way more than they needed, hoping to get allocated enough. it wasn't until FE that they met artificial and overstated demand. Ice Age is still cheap today because they were figuring out how much to print. Wizards then "hides" print run #s, but really i expect this was about meeting demand with multiple rounds of printing. this situation is not unique, MU (Micron) couldn't meet memory demand for a long time and spent years developing both the tech and production capacity to serve what they viewed as a growing market. I expect Jen Fraser is right in MtG's case as if no one got hands on ABU, legends, antiquities or arabian nights the game dies a premature debt as you need customers coming in and asking for revised/ FE.
attacking the structure of an argument rather than its content marks the end of a culture; see Satyricon liber. we live in an age of autocorrecting machines that also can't see the content of an argument; or a sentence, or a jpeg.
Holy shit I totally forgot about this game! Seeing this thumbnail brought it all back. Don't know if I ever owned any of these cards or just saw them in ads or something but very cool to see them again after all these years. Great art!
I love it, back in the mid 90's for maybe a year or even 2 a local LGS ran Tournaments, fun times. All Artwork was done by one Artist :) This game has been rebooted as a standalone game called Dragon Hunt. I started to try to complete my Wyvern collection, some sellers on some sites pull the RARES and from the wrong set. If you are going to go after the Fallen Empire Cards with a Wyvern Back, you gotta shoot for the Premiere Edition Starter Decks. Who the hell pulls RARES from dead CCGs. These were also printed by the same people who did Magic, they give the same smell and feel too! NOTE this was a game was backed by USPC Company, the same company that did Alternate 4th edition. I don't know if this was after they had a fallen out or before. The company USPC is still around mostly making Tarot Card and specialty Poker Decks, they have been around at least 100 years.
Rudy, we played Wyvern (we prounced it "Why-Vern") as well as Blood Wars and Illuminati: New World Order. We did not get far into any of them really since Magic was so much better...game mechanics, easy to learn and just play-ability was untouchable...as it still is today. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
I had never heard of wyvern before, but I buy a lot from US Games systems because they are the major producer of tarot cards. I almost came out of my chair when I saw the art for this! There is a tarot deck they sold in 1996 called "The Dragon Tarot" which was illustrated by Peter Pracownik. The art looks identical to these wyvern cards, and I would love to buy a pack now because I love the art! Thank you for the share!!!
Honestly, one of the things that turns me off on Magic card art is that they're so overly complicated and weirdly designed that I can't tell what's going on.
Jason Storer you are reading way too much into it. I am very familiar with this misprint. Its always been called wyvern backed fallen empires. I wasnt about to type "FALLEN EMPIRES FRONTED WYVERNS". That would be stupid. I even make mention in a video at some point in my channel when I talked about misprints. Literally the misprint is called wyvern backed fallen empires.
Jason Storer since the fallen empires was printed on wyvern card stock and the front is a real fallen empires printing. So it's safe to say everything behind the ink on the front is wyvern card which it would be safe to say the entire back is wyvern. Technically wyvern backed is also correct.
I opened a few boxes of the tournament packs and a booster box of two back in the day. I'll have to dig them out over the weekend and see if I have any fallen empires cards.
I got these as a gift when I was a kid and was extremely disappointed they weren't Magic cards (Which is what we were all actually into at that time). My friends and I played it that night then it stayed in a shoebox and was never played again. I still have the cards though.
thanks for sharing, im wondering what new kickstarter will be the next wyvern... i hope its not sorcery, i pledged a box and starterdecks ;) either way i will be able to tell my kids a story and all of this because you pulled me back into the cardboard world
Beautiful old cards. I miss the simplicity of the art in these card sets in the pre-digital painting era. You know, while watching this, I remembered that I actually have a few of these lying around. I never tried to actively collect this, but I want to say I got a starter or maybe got a few promotional cards along with some Magic purchases just because I was curious about it back in the day. I wonder what cards I actually have.
Wyvern was a game I always wanted to play but it was one of those "good luck finding it" games. Magi Nation always was like that, where it looked a lot of fun but it was impossible to find them out in the midwest.
Okay, I have to comment on his comments about the art. This work is truly beautiful, waaay better than old MTG art. As an art student studying at an art college, I notice a ton of drawing mistakes on old magic cards. But it is upsetting that he keeps commenting about “real” art and “drawing”. The current illustrators still have to draw their work. Just because it’s done digitally doesn’t mean they are not competent and do not still physically draw. I met Karla Ortiz, one of the illustrators for MTG when she came to do a workshop, and she takes her work and her craft very seriously, she studied at an Atelier after art school to be more competent in drawing. Appreciate your videos, they are great. I just had to address this because it upsets me that people think the quality of artistic skill has dropped just because it’s digital. I know it’s just people not realizing it and it’s not meant to be offensive but the only way to combat this thinking is to address it. I myself hate working digitally, but the level of draftsmanship is still there, you still need to know how to draw to do competent digital art.
Personnaly, I like early magic art because... I played with them and i recognise the card. New cards are great for some people, just not me (I don't get memories when looking at them). My only real negative feedback towards new art on cards is... lack of creativity on most of them, probably more related to the sheer numbers of card they have to produce each year rather than lack of talent. Actual D&D showcase land and other gave me a pleasant surprise, back to more simplistic design and brings back memories.
When I seen the cover art for the booster box, starter decks, booster packs, and the card art; all I could think of was D&D Basic and 1E. MTG originally drew a lot of its inspiration from D&D. Let's face it everyone, without D&D, we probably wouldn't have a lot of the game tropes that we now have today; including in video games.
@@Dr_Salt Many people think that. But in all technicalities, people were playing, what we would call a sortish D&D by today's standards, long before Tolkien ever showed up on the scene or was even thought of by his own father and mother. Tolkien himself would have known of it. And in reality, it's how true D&D is actually played. The records of this go back as far as the Revolutionary War and possibly further back before Colonial times in Europe. How it was done, was by people sending letters back and forth to one another, describing their sides of the story to one another and what each of them would do and the things they see and encounter in their lettered adventures. Through those letters they went on fantastical adventures with each other. Authors still do this till this day. And in fact, Tolkien and C.S. Lewis sent letters back and forth to one another as they were each writing their series. Now you know how the greatest stories ever told are written. People go on adventures with one another in letters back and forth to one another. It's the real secret to being a successful writer most of the time when trying to write especially epics. All Gary did was give the letter adventure game a name, a chassis, and a system to run on. It helped to give it a structure of universal flexible rules that everyone could follow whether near or far from each other, while staying clear of being too restrictive to stay true as possible to the original letter adventure game. These are the stories that people wanted to play, the ones in their letter adventure games, but they wanted a flexible structure of rules that were universal that everyone could follow; and Gary gave it to them because he was a creative thinker and knew how to apply war game mechanics to the letter adventure game. There are groups of friends to this day that still play D&D by mail without ever coming face-to-face with each other, or if you have learned of it from your elders, by email. If it was two friends that decided to play it, and met on a daily basis, the rule was never to speak of the adventure when visiting one another until the adventure is over. So as said before, without D&D, we wouldn't have anything near close to what we have today. Video games do their best to replicate what is done in D&D, but they all come short, because every video game world has borders that a player can never cross and the mechanical side is pidgeon-holed and very limited and never nearly as flexible.
Yep I'm familiar with it. If you want artwork from that era and a great game as well. I would recommend Warlord: Saga of the Storm from AEG. I would love for it to get a release as an LCG
Despite the lack of balance the idea was so good. A TCG that turned into a map building board game with your dudes running about. Gutted I lost my pair of starter decks after a couple of house moves.
nexviper true, it was innovative but to say it had balancing issues is an understatement. As far as I know and remember, it is 100% impossible for the Marines to win at all. I would get so pissed off seeing all of my favorite Space Marine characters die repeatedly.
I actually remember these sitting on the shelves of the local card and comics stores, at the time there were still a bunch of them around, internet hadn't made them rare yet. I was too young to really understand the game though. The packaging and cover art always drew me, as did the odd name nobody knows how to pronounce, which I think may have had a little to do with its inability to catch on. It was actually briefly successful but like you said it was a couple years too early for the times I think and a lot of people apparently became bored with it. The artist of all the cards you just showed was Peter Pracowink who did a lot of fantasy themed stuff back in the 80's and 90s, everything from tarot decks to album covers and of course this bit of nostalgia. Actually I think he might still be around but I'm not sure. As a side note, that Zeus card is actually based on a painting called "The Ancient Days" by William Blake depicting God creating the cosmos. Anyway, the cards and boxes are only a couple decades old, LOL. That "ancient and primitive technology" is the same way they print and package stuff now, the methods and materials haven't really changed much. ;)
When you say "someone actually painted that" do you mean hand painted as opposed to 100% digital? I haven't really played MtG since Ice Age and notice that all current cards blend to a single high fantasy style. All cards look the same while err VI magic they could vary from photorealistic, cartoony, abstract, etc.
We had this game in our local small town (>5000) shop in Iowa. A lot of the more gothy artsy kids would play it while the nerds were crowding over the arabian nights cases and trying to pick up the new scrye magazine. Do Highlander TCG one day, it was a neat game that created a system a lot of games borrow heavily from.
Reeeeeaaaaally cool art. Such a refreshing change from modern magic cards. I honestly think one could find success designing a modern board game or card game with this 80's/90's "retro-fantasy" style art.
Neue Ära Try: Boss Monster Fire of Eidolon Those came to mind immediately, but there are others as well. Edit: maybe retro fantasy isn't consistent with old school 8 bit actually....However, fun games still. FoE better of the two.
Artist is Peter Pracownik. Wyvern backed Fallen Empires were only found in "Premiere Limited Edition" (to my knowledge), this is "Limited Edition". Premiere Limted Edition cards did not have the black dot on the left of the card number (lower right corner).
Well this was a shot of nostalgia. I bought a few packs of this back in the day and played it with some of my friends when we would get bored of MTG. I remember having fun with it.
My local card shop back in the day use to use these as filler stock in their $1 grab bag. There were cards that looked so good we kept them as decoration for our card boxes and such.
Lol the ARTWORK person on the starter box is PETER PRACOWNIK which literally means PETER WORKER in my language. wonder if he was an imigrant that messed his visa form or sth:D
I have thousands of Star Trek CCG. In binders, boxes, rare promos. Also have On the Edge. Game play was good, but the art was awful. My favorite CCG was Rage, Werewolf the Apocalypse. That was fun. Loved the 2 decks concept. You had a combat deck, then your draw deck for goodies. Grat CCG.
Alot of people don't realize in 93-94 you just couldn't buy MTG Cards they were sold out everywhere! We Played Wyvern,D&D, Jihad, Werewolf, Star Wars, Star Trek, Netrunner, Doom Trooper, LOTR, Legends of the 5 Rings and pretty much anything we could get our hands on! We pronounced it Whiv-Earn like Shiv-Earn
I ran into a vendor at Comicpalooza in Houston Texas this last Memorial Day weekend. Apparently a new company has bought the game and old stock and are attempting to reinvent and rerelease the game. It brought back some reason memories for me, none of them very good, but still. They tried to explain the new game layout to me but it made about as much sense now as it did 20 years ago....
RUDY! You ever hear of a tcg, around early 00s, called Hecatomb? Big, clear hexagons made out of plastic that were SUPER brutal and edgy. LOVED the game, and you can get packs/boxes for absolutely nothing. Super cool game, but had to close doors when oil prices spiked, so the plastic cards were too expensive to produce.
They also chipped on the corners after moderate play/shuffling (even worse if you open product now since it's gone brittle), they also warped if you lived in a hot area with poor AC, and the art was limited by a way too dark palette and small frame. Loved the game and still have some product, I thought the stacking aspect and focus on play order was really cool, but it wasn't just oil.
Wow, that's a lot more info that I thought! I had a lot of fond memories playing the edgiest card game around(literally and figuratively) so it's cool to know that quality was another reason for it disappearing.
I remember that when this game was initially released, there were a couple of *extremely* rare chase cards to which one could find these particular gold or silver versions of the Wyvern card and turn them in for a substantial cash prize. As I understand there was only a handful of the silver version and maybe one grand prize gold version of that card. EDIT: Upon additional research, the prizes were not necessarily THAT substantial, but it was cash money.
I never knew this game but I remember when the kids on my street stopped playing magic to play Doomtrooper CCG. I saved up some money and a few months later I bought a stack of boosters from my LGS - Time Masters - and wound up with a big stack of cards. By then the kids had given up on Doomtrooper and my cards were useless. I tried to make up a game I could play by myself but it was not fun :(
Forgot I even have these. Bought about two boxes super cheap, in my teens, and me and a friend had fun playing it together. Like many card games back then, I bought them solely because of dragons.
I bought the cards because of the art. The same artist, Peter Pracownik, did all of the cards. I got a deal on them from my LGS because everyone else only wanted MTG.
The artist is Peter Pracownik and according to his website "Peter's exhaustive knowledge and understanding of mythology and legend brought him to the attention of US Games who commissioned him to create the best selling Dragon Tarot. The set was so successful that US Games next commissioned Peter to create the images for the Wyvern collectible card game, which has since become one of the most popular fantasy role playing games in the USA and Europe." LOL
Upon release, this game had a very small print run. I think they had a small window to print when Magic: Revised went out, and before Tempest/ 4th edition was ready for printing. My LGS had 1 box of starters and 1 box of Boosters. I got a Starter and a couple boosters on day 1. Came back on day 2 and it was sold out. Owner said the cards were on backorder and it was gonna be 2 and a half to 3 months before they came in because they weren't even printed yet. It was kind of a 1 man show ( with Richard Garfields complete support and approval, they printed these in between runs of Magic, on the same machines) and this guy literally ran out of money before he could get the 2nd print run going. He was afraid to bring in investors because he didn't want to lose copyrights and ownership of the game.
My local bar has a countertop with sports cards embeded in clear plastic. It would be cool if somebody were to make such a countertop with oldschool cards like these. Like how people arrange pennies on floors and pour epoxy over them.
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Alternate universe:
"Rudy with Wyvern investments" a viewer sent me this magic the gathering booster box and some starter decks!
"It's hard to imagine, now that it's 2019, what it must have been like. People say 'Oh, if only I got some Wyvern packs pack in the day and got some Giant Ants' - Oh look at that, 'Lightning Bolt'... - But that's just how it was back then. We didn't know what would be the next thing. Ooo, look at the art on this, 'Time Walk'... Some sort of... skinless skeleton guys with clock faces? Just look at the art on this! What a way to end the video. Anyway, this is Rudy with Wyvern Investments, signing off."
hahahahaha :D thanks for that laugh mate!
@@SelLillianna also thank you Sir/Mam! hahaha :D
pro tip: you can watch series on Flixzone. Me and my gf have been using it for watching loads of movies during the lockdown.
@Lukas Chris Yup, I have been watching on flixzone for years myself =)
DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE THAT THE ARTIST SIGNATURE ON ALL THE CARDS IS THE SAME? ONE PERSON DREW THEM ALL.
I don't know whey that needed to all be capitalized but yes, they used one person's artwork for the entire game.
makes sense, to keep it all in the same style
@@myrhev Not quite. They used a new artist for all of the final expansion, Chameleon, as well as for four of the cards from Phoenix. Still two artists for an entire game is pretty unheard of.
Yes and they are very beautiful. Very good job.
It’s not that crazy bro
"How is the product better with less technology?" Cardboard has gotten more expensive with time. Seriously...My friend's father works in a warehouse, and their shipping bottom line has increased by 24% because the cost of boxes have gone up so much. Blame Amazon...and no, that isn't a joke. Blame Amazon...as the prime subscription service tripled the demand for cardboard in the USA. We should be thankful that things aren't even more cheaply made than they are. In order to maintain both the profit margins and card quality that MtG had in around 2007, they'd have to increase the cost of booster packs by around 25%.
this should be further up. Everybody here is so influenced by nostalgia that they fail to actually think of logical reasons for what’s happening
To be honest, I would pay the increase to not have cards warp so easily/quickly.
I agree with blame amazon but not due entirely to Prime. I often get a giant box filled with bubble packaging only to have a small item inside it. Amazon ships in any box they feel like. It is crazy.
That's crazy. I can't even get any money for recycling a few hundred pounds of cardboard.
I'd rather pay an extra 25 percent than buy cards that come out of the pack with all four corners bent in different directions.
I use to play Magic the Gathering with Mike Fitzgerald In Stamford, Ct in the early 90's when he was also play testing Wyvern using blank cards and magic markers before it went to print. Mike hosted a radio show on wabc (I can't quite remember if it was that or wcbs) in New York before he came to our game gourp. Its too bad Wyvern didn't last, Mike a nice guy.
Any idea what happened to the playtest cards?
heygtc Mike Fitgerald hosted a lot of episodes of Ludology, a podcast on game design. They are very good.
Lol Tavis lolol
I’m trying to remember in his design timeline. Was it before or after his work with Pokémon?
It had to be before since I didn't know he worked on Pokemon. I lost touch with him after 96'. I guess he kept the playtest cards. One thing I remember is Mike being very proud when they started to have Wyvern competitions. Also there was another card game who name escape me that had special cards in them with picture of game designers like Richard Garfield and I remember Mike showing me his card. Like I said, too bad his card game didn't last.
"You can tell somebody actually took the time to draw these things."
Literally all the artist signatures are the same person up to this point in the video. So, yes, somebody. One person. That's pretty awesome.
I watch the whole video and it broke my heart seeing these cards again. When i was 10 I saw these cards in the store and I had to have them because of the art work, I did not even care to play the game. I just bought the cards from my chore money to just get these beautiful art work,. The sadness to my story comes when I brought the cards with me to school one day because i wanted to draw from when I was not doing school work. I asked the teacher to go to the restroom and when i got back my box of cards where gone and when class let out I found my cards litter all over the school lawn. The wind blowing them away. I was so heart broken I never bought them again out of fear that someone would take my cards again. I would like to get some of these cards back just for fondness.
dude that's so heartbreaking. I hope you get some more cards.
Sad you can buy booster boxes pretty cheap still
"the artwork is gonna blow you" I'm sold.
This is the cardgame equivalent of those guys that open up old MRE's
Pracownik, the artist who did these cards, also did a tarot deck called "The Dragon Tarot" which I bought in high school and still own. I immediately identified his style from having played Wyvern in my younger years and couldn't resist purchasing it. It remains one of my most prized possessions for the old school art alone.
We sold these at the KB Toy Works I worked at for really cheap . I bought some packs even though I didn't know ANYONE who played. Always loved the gritty, even moody, art style to these cards.
I was surprised to see a Wyvern video on this channel, but it's great to see the game getting some love from someone as visible as you are. You asked for stories, and though I don't really have any myself, having only begun collecting the game within the past few years, I know a fair amount about the different sets, products, and rules, so feel free to reach out if you've got any questions about the game.
"How do you like my three headed blue eyes ultimate dragon!?"
*"How do YOU like my 6 B00BED SCYLLA DRAGON!?!?!"*
Glad to see you do a Wyvern video! I made a video a few months back about Wyvern - I think it's an awesome game. Damn shame it failed
wīvern is the correct pronunciation.
Chris Greene whyvern XD
I pronounce it vyberrin
Shane Reierson wrong its why vern like wevernia from Malcolm mittendrin
is that wee-vern?
fsmoura It's more like Why-Vern
_Flashback Rudy_ with _Returning Investments_
That art is terrific. Hand drawn, simple, attractive.
9:08 - Does anyone else think that the "distressed maiden" being a "treasure" is funny?
This is my favorite failed MTG youtube channel
Connor Boulton 😂😂
I can't fucking stand Negative Legend's gross ass fingernails
I'm thinking about mailing him some nail clippers :P
Connor Boulton lol lol
What's a failed MTG?
Rudy, not a single variant of possible pronunciations you listed were even close to correct, not even within a reasonable margin of error. Who the hell were these people saying this word that way? They need to go back to school.
It's "WHY-VERN" or, in some accents "WIV-VERN"
Same. I don't get the confusion, the word has been pronounced in several video games, it should be well known by now.
I guess on the Logo, the Y and V look a little like a second W, resulting in the weird WWern pronunciation.
I've always pronounced it Wiv-vern since the Dragon Warrior days
Because they teach kids about obscure D&D monsters in school...
@@wearealreadydeadfam8214 It's a legendary creature, it wasn't invented for D&D....
You could have looked up the two accepted pronunciations in any half decent dictionary.
Drawn art wins everytime.
Digital art is enjoyable depending on whose doing it, I've seen great stuff, if only WOTC weren't such prudes of late. But yeah there is a charming simplicity to early CCG artwork in the early 90s, and old school D&D to some extent.
Hi Rudy! I remember purchasing a bunch of this game when I was young. At this time, It was really hard to get revised mtg boosters. The market was flooded with fallen empire packs and i spotted this game. It looked like my perfect game. Dragons. Loot. Magic Spells and Epic terrain cards. The prob was me and my friends never figured out how to play it right. I still have a few booster boxes and just keep them because of the art inside. Thanks for the video.
A very intersting thing I found today: there are magic card misprints from Fallen Empires, which have magic fronts and Wyvern card backs. They were, it seems very common, since they are sold on a big platform I normally use for buying singles.
US Games was and still are one of the big publishers of Tarot decks. They REALLY know their card stock and how to produce and publish decks.
As a regular in my local card store back in the mid 90s the owner threw us a starter deck and a booster pavk for my friend and I. "Tell me what you think" a said. We went home opened and played it. It was a great game for the time. Magic was still our main focus but we would always get a Wyvern game in. Sadly, I think we were the only 2 buying them from our store so he stopped carrying them. We were not the only patrons, for the time it was a very large comic/ card store. Thanks Rudy for putting this great game back in the light.
I just found this video today. I was a Magic, Star Wars CCG, and Overpower guy back then, but I had a friend who was into Wyvern (we called it "whi-vern") who tried to get me into it it. I never bought any, but I remember seeing it in InQuest and Scrye. Great video! Wyvern feels like SUPER early (pre-1995) Magic.
Way ahead of its time.
Not really. MtG is older than this.
Theres something about opening up old product. It's not even always about nostalgia as I've never even heard of this game or the fact that it's worth alot as this tcg is worthless. Doesn't matter what tcg it is Mtg, Yugioh, Pokemon, or even one of these more obscure ones. I love it all.
I played a lot of Magi Nation with my brother. For some reason it helped us get along. We were always two completely different people.
This looks great.
The gameplay is extremmely simple. It's one of the best game with concept "Easy to learn difficult to master" concept ever invented.
I miss the old Inquest and Scrye magazine to find out if a card is rare, uncommon or common
it's pronounced "wi - vern". 2 syllables. Not Wyrm, wyvrin. idk how people mispronounce words so often.
it's insane. Not one of those pronunciations actually reads all the letters in order.
@@Jaypes1 Can't blame him too much considering that English actively encourages its users to disregard letters.
@@BurnBird1 is wyvern an English word though? Certainly not a modern word. Nobody who is literate can look at the word 'wyvern' and just blurt out 'worm.' That's just laziness.
I started playing Magic around Ice Age. I remember playing a few other games at that time also. My friend's loved a game called RAGE which was a Werewolf game. I played the Star Trek and Star Wars CCGs a little also... but I think my favorite game aside from Rage and Magic was a football game called Red Zone. It had a really fun system to determine whether or not your your plays gained or lost yards, made a TD, or was a turnover.
this game was a lot of fun. i remember playing this for a bit.
You made me break out my random failed TCG box and see what Wyvern cards I have as I had totally forgotten about it! Thanx!
OH! MY! GOD! This is SO cool! I don't usually like the look of early 90's TCG's but these are AMAZING. Why can't we have this TCG back again? I would SO play it.
It's WHY-vern.
You know, like what Ernest would say.
That aside, this was one of my absolute favorite games (second only to the Harper Prisim AvP/Terminator).
Too bad there wasn't more support for the game, great potential.
Do Magi-Nation failed card games next Rudy!
You only have 140 k subs? Dude, you deserve way more than that!
Saddest Failed Card Game... VS System. Fantastic game, fun, great art(its all comics, how can it not be great art?) and a great following. Upper Deck screwed the pooch... I'll send you some VS cards to show from my PT days. No point to sell them yet...
When i was a kid my friends dad took us to a convention to play magic and look at cards and stuff. People were there promoting this game. They gave us each an armload of starter decks for free. It was super fun but after that they kinda just got shoved to the back of the magic box. Our comic shop didnt sell them and nobody else played it. The game was really cool i think it just never got off the ground properly. We always pronounced it Wi-Vern
Thanks Rudy. Going to dig out all my Wyvern cards and see if i can get the kids to have a game with me.
I was in Warrensburg, MO for a "sanctioned" MTG tournament in 1995ish (Chronicles was the latest set), and there was a Wyvern tournament first that had to finish prior to the MTG tournament taking place. It was agonizing, as the games seemed to take forever to complete.
The only other thing I recall from that event was watching someone use a City of Brass repeatedly (we're talking ~10 times) without taking the damage and the opponent never noticing. The cheater won the match, but he'd have been dead twice over if the opponent had been paying attention.
From a time travel point of view. If you went back in time and bought all the early Magic cards, then those cards would not be available for people to buy back then, the game would have been played by less people, maybe not have caught on, and we would have #AlphaInvestments talking about the failed Magic game instead of normally talking about Wyvern.
Or... perhaps someone DID go back in time and buy up all the Wyvern cards so Magic would become the successful game.
Have fun pondering that thought tonight.
Jen Fraser I don't think you get how business works, if you buy all the cards then the company has money and produces more cards...
IF they have production capacity. wizards couldn't meet demand with sets up until FE. stores would ask for way more than they needed, hoping to get allocated enough. it wasn't until FE that they met artificial and overstated demand. Ice Age is still cheap today because they were figuring out how much to print. Wizards then "hides" print run #s, but really i expect this was about meeting demand with multiple rounds of printing.
this situation is not unique, MU (Micron) couldn't meet memory demand for a long time and spent years developing both the tech and production capacity to serve what they viewed as a growing market. I expect Jen Fraser is right in MtG's case as if no one got hands on ABU, legends, antiquities or arabian nights the game dies a premature debt as you need customers coming in and asking for revised/ FE.
"From a time travel point of view" is not a complete sentence.
attacking the structure of an argument rather than its content marks the end of a culture; see Satyricon liber. we live in an age of autocorrecting machines that also can't see the content of an argument; or a sentence, or a jpeg.
so just another timeline? then again there could be one where rudy is hitler so yeah
Holy shit I totally forgot about this game! Seeing this thumbnail brought it all back. Don't know if I ever owned any of these cards or just saw them in ads or something but very cool to see them again after all these years. Great art!
Please tell me you have some RAGE cards laying around too.. those sets started to pick up some steam then crashed. Maybe 5 sets.
I loved the outrageously violent art on the combat cards, whatever they were called.
We play tested all those card games during those times. Rage was fun.
I love it, back in the mid 90's for maybe a year or even 2 a local LGS ran Tournaments, fun times. All Artwork was done by one Artist :) This game has been rebooted as a standalone game called Dragon Hunt. I started to try to complete my Wyvern collection, some sellers on some sites pull the RARES and from the wrong set. If you are going to go after the Fallen Empire Cards with a Wyvern Back, you gotta shoot for the Premiere Edition Starter Decks. Who the hell pulls RARES from dead CCGs. These were also printed by the same people who did Magic, they give the same smell and feel too! NOTE this was a game was backed by USPC Company, the same company that did Alternate 4th edition. I don't know if this was after they had a fallen out or before. The company USPC is still around mostly making Tarot Card and specialty Poker Decks, they have been around at least 100 years.
Rudy, we played Wyvern (we prounced it "Why-Vern") as well as Blood Wars and Illuminati: New World Order. We did not get far into any of them really since Magic was so much better...game mechanics, easy to learn and just play-ability was untouchable...as it still is today.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
love those card backs . way slicker looking than mtg
I prefer mtg. The moment I saw the back of a matg card for the first time I was like oooooooo
I had never heard of wyvern before, but I buy a lot from US Games systems because they are the major producer of tarot cards. I almost came out of my chair when I saw the art for this! There is a tarot deck they sold in 1996 called "The Dragon Tarot" which was illustrated by Peter Pracownik. The art looks identical to these wyvern cards, and I would love to buy a pack now because I love the art! Thank you for the share!!!
www.usgamesinc.com/Dragon-Tarot.html
Honestly, one of the things that turns me off on Magic card art is that they're so overly complicated and weirdly designed that I can't tell what's going on.
WYVERN BACKED FALLEN EMPIRES!!!
Jason Storer so your saying fallen empires is on front? I said wyvern backed. Same difference
Jason Storer just did a Google for fallen empires fronted wyvern. It took me to wyvern backed fallen empires....maybe Google is wrong?
Jason Storer you are reading way too much into it. I am very familiar with this misprint. Its always been called wyvern backed fallen empires. I wasnt about to type "FALLEN EMPIRES FRONTED WYVERNS". That would be stupid. I even make mention in a video at some point in my channel when I talked about misprints. Literally the misprint is called wyvern backed fallen empires.
Jason Storer since the fallen empires was printed on wyvern card stock and the front is a real fallen empires printing. So it's safe to say everything behind the ink on the front is wyvern card which it would be safe to say the entire back is wyvern. Technically wyvern backed is also correct.
I opened a few boxes of the tournament packs and a booster box of two back in the day. I'll have to dig them out over the weekend and see if I have any fallen empires cards.
I got these as a gift when I was a kid and was extremely disappointed they weren't Magic cards (Which is what we were all actually into at that time). My friends and I played it that night then it stayed in a shoebox and was never played again. I still have the cards though.
thanks for sharing, im wondering what new kickstarter will be the next wyvern... i hope its not sorcery, i pledged a box and starterdecks ;) either way i will be able to tell my kids a story and all of this because you pulled me back into the cardboard world
Beautiful old cards. I miss the simplicity of the art in these card sets in the pre-digital painting era. You know, while watching this, I remembered that I actually have a few of these lying around. I never tried to actively collect this, but I want to say I got a starter or maybe got a few promotional cards along with some Magic purchases just because I was curious about it back in the day. I wonder what cards I actually have.
I love how Thor Beowolf and Marduk are commons and the rares are like Hawk, Town, and Ravens. Thanks for the warp back to the golden age of game art.
Wyvern was a game I always wanted to play but it was one of those "good luck finding it" games. Magi Nation always was like that, where it looked a lot of fun but it was impossible to find them out in the midwest.
Thank God you found the Giant Ants because I was gonna wait till you did after seeing the Anteater.
These cards are actually magic. That art is so captivating
Okay, I have to comment on his comments about the art. This work is truly beautiful, waaay better than old MTG art. As an art student studying at an art college, I notice a ton of drawing mistakes on old magic cards. But it is upsetting that he keeps commenting about “real” art and “drawing”. The current illustrators still have to draw their work. Just because it’s done digitally doesn’t mean they are not competent and do not still physically draw. I met Karla Ortiz, one of the illustrators for MTG when she came to do a workshop, and she takes her work and her craft very seriously, she studied at an Atelier after art school to be more competent in drawing.
Appreciate your videos, they are great. I just had to address this because it upsets me that people think the quality of artistic skill has dropped just because it’s digital. I know it’s just people not realizing it and it’s not meant to be offensive but the only way to combat this thinking is to address it. I myself hate working digitally, but the level of draftsmanship is still there, you still need to know how to draw to do competent digital art.
Personnaly, I like early magic art because... I played with them and i recognise the card. New cards are great for some people, just not me (I don't get memories when looking at them). My only real negative feedback towards new art on cards is... lack of creativity on most of them, probably more related to the sheer numbers of card they have to produce each year rather than lack of talent. Actual D&D showcase land and other gave me a pleasant surprise, back to more simplistic design and brings back memories.
When I seen the cover art for the booster box, starter decks, booster packs, and the card art; all I could think of was D&D Basic and 1E. MTG originally drew a lot of its inspiration from D&D. Let's face it everyone, without D&D, we probably wouldn't have a lot of the game tropes that we now have today; including in video games.
You mean tolkien right?
@@Dr_Salt Many people think that. But in all technicalities, people were playing, what we would call a sortish D&D by today's standards, long before Tolkien ever showed up on the scene or was even thought of by his own father and mother. Tolkien himself would have known of it. And in reality, it's how true D&D is actually played. The records of this go back as far as the Revolutionary War and possibly further back before Colonial times in Europe. How it was done, was by people sending letters back and forth to one another, describing their sides of the story to one another and what each of them would do and the things they see and encounter in their lettered adventures. Through those letters they went on fantastical adventures with each other. Authors still do this till this day. And in fact, Tolkien and C.S. Lewis sent letters back and forth to one another as they were each writing their series. Now you know how the greatest stories ever told are written. People go on adventures with one another in letters back and forth to one another. It's the real secret to being a successful writer most of the time when trying to write especially epics. All Gary did was give the letter adventure game a name, a chassis, and a system to run on. It helped to give it a structure of universal flexible rules that everyone could follow whether near or far from each other, while staying clear of being too restrictive to stay true as possible to the original letter adventure game. These are the stories that people wanted to play, the ones in their letter adventure games, but they wanted a flexible structure of rules that were universal that everyone could follow; and Gary gave it to them because he was a creative thinker and knew how to apply war game mechanics to the letter adventure game. There are groups of friends to this day that still play D&D by mail without ever coming face-to-face with each other, or if you have learned of it from your elders, by email. If it was two friends that decided to play it, and met on a daily basis, the rule was never to speak of the adventure when visiting one another until the adventure is over. So as said before, without D&D, we wouldn't have anything near close to what we have today. Video games do their best to replicate what is done in D&D, but they all come short, because every video game world has borders that a player can never cross and the mechanical side is pidgeon-holed and very limited and never nearly as flexible.
Yep I'm familiar with it. If you want artwork from that era and a great game as well. I would recommend Warlord: Saga of the Storm from AEG. I would love for it to get a release as an LCG
Review the heinously unbalanced Aliens vs. Predator TCG. It was broken af, Aliens were so OP!!!!
Despite the lack of balance the idea was so good. A TCG that turned into a map building board game with your dudes running about.
Gutted I lost my pair of starter decks after a couple of house moves.
nexviper true, it was innovative but to say it had balancing issues is an understatement. As far as I know and remember, it is 100% impossible for the Marines to win at all. I would get so pissed off seeing all of my favorite Space Marine characters die repeatedly.
I actually remember these sitting on the shelves of the local card and comics stores, at the time there were still a bunch of them around, internet hadn't made them rare yet. I was too young to really understand the game though. The packaging and cover art always drew me, as did the odd name nobody knows how to pronounce, which I think may have had a little to do with its inability to catch on. It was actually briefly successful but like you said it was a couple years too early for the times I think and a lot of people apparently became bored with it.
The artist of all the cards you just showed was Peter Pracowink who did a lot of fantasy themed stuff back in the 80's and 90s, everything from tarot decks to album covers and of course this bit of nostalgia. Actually I think he might still be around but I'm not sure. As a side note, that Zeus card is actually based on a painting called "The Ancient Days" by William Blake depicting God creating the cosmos.
Anyway, the cards and boxes are only a couple decades old, LOL. That "ancient and primitive technology" is the same way they print and package stuff now, the methods and materials haven't really changed much. ;)
When you say "someone actually painted that" do you mean hand painted as opposed to 100% digital? I haven't really played MtG since Ice Age and notice that all current cards blend to a single high fantasy style. All cards look the same while err VI magic they could vary from photorealistic, cartoony, abstract, etc.
We had this game in our local small town (>5000) shop in Iowa. A lot of the more gothy artsy kids would play it while the nerds were crowding over the arabian nights cases and trying to pick up the new scrye magazine.
Do Highlander TCG one day, it was a neat game that created a system a lot of games borrow heavily from.
Reeeeeaaaaally cool art. Such a refreshing change from modern magic cards.
I honestly think one could find success designing a modern board game or card game with this 80's/90's "retro-fantasy" style art.
That's fair Raphael. But I would totally love it. :P
Neue Ära Try:
Boss Monster
Fire of Eidolon
Those came to mind immediately, but there are others as well.
Edit: maybe retro fantasy isn't consistent with old school 8 bit actually....However, fun games still. FoE better of the two.
Artist is Peter Pracownik. Wyvern backed Fallen Empires were only found in "Premiere Limited Edition" (to my knowledge), this is "Limited Edition". Premiere Limted Edition cards did not have the black dot on the left of the card number (lower right corner).
Well this was a shot of nostalgia. I bought a few packs of this back in the day and played it with some of my friends when we would get bored of MTG. I remember having fun with it.
I've always pronounced that word/creature name as "Why-Vern"
Yay someone else that knows about Wyvern!!! 🤓🖤
Hey Rudy, how sick are you of 11 months of comments about how Wyvern is pronounced?
I got a free pack in a Scrye magazine with a pack of Jyhad (the vampire card game) loved the art. Still have them too!
My local card shop back in the day use to use these as filler stock in their $1 grab bag. There were cards that looked so good we kept them as decoration for our card boxes and such.
Wow, this is beautiful. Pure 90s fantasy artwork right there.
Lol the ARTWORK person on the starter box is PETER PRACOWNIK which literally means PETER WORKER in my language. wonder if he was an imigrant that messed his visa form or sth:D
I have thousands of Star Trek CCG. In binders, boxes, rare promos. Also have On the Edge. Game play was good, but the art was awful. My favorite CCG was Rage, Werewolf the Apocalypse. That was fun. Loved the 2 decks concept. You had a combat deck, then your draw deck for goodies. Grat CCG.
I'd love to see you cover Jyhad/Vampire: The Eternal Struggle on here if you ever get some sealed boxes or packs.
Wow the quality of this product is astonishing
I belive the artist for some of that art went in to create the Dragon Tarot deck. The style is uncannily similar.
Alot of people don't realize in 93-94 you just couldn't buy MTG Cards they were sold out everywhere! We Played Wyvern,D&D, Jihad, Werewolf, Star Wars, Star Trek, Netrunner, Doom Trooper, LOTR, Legends of the 5 Rings and pretty much anything we could get our hands on! We pronounced it Whiv-Earn like Shiv-Earn
I ran into a vendor at Comicpalooza in Houston Texas this last Memorial Day weekend. Apparently a new company has bought the game and old stock and are attempting to reinvent and rerelease the game.
It brought back some reason memories for me, none of them very good, but still. They tried to explain the new game layout to me but it made about as much sense now as it did 20 years ago....
Love failed TCGs. Always so interesting
i remember being curious about wyvern when i was in HS, but liked the art of MTG better.
RUDY! You ever hear of a tcg, around early 00s, called Hecatomb? Big, clear hexagons made out of plastic that were SUPER brutal and edgy. LOVED the game, and you can get packs/boxes for absolutely nothing. Super cool game, but had to close doors when oil prices spiked, so the plastic cards were too expensive to produce.
They also chipped on the corners after moderate play/shuffling (even worse if you open product now since it's gone brittle), they also warped if you lived in a hot area with poor AC, and the art was limited by a way too dark palette and small frame.
Loved the game and still have some product, I thought the stacking aspect and focus on play order was really cool, but it wasn't just oil.
Wow, that's a lot more info that I thought! I had a lot of fond memories playing the edgiest card game around(literally and figuratively) so it's cool to know that quality was another reason for it disappearing.
hahaha YES! I need to watch this later, my brother tried getting me into this game way back when, never quite grasped the concept and it went wayward
I know about Wyvern before. Both the artist and designer also designed the Dragon Tarot and it's set in the same world as the game itself!
I remember that when this game was initially released, there were a couple of *extremely* rare chase cards to which one could find these particular gold or silver versions of the Wyvern card and turn them in for a substantial cash prize. As I understand there was only a handful of the silver version and maybe one grand prize gold version of that card.
EDIT: Upon additional research, the prizes were not necessarily THAT substantial, but it was cash money.
Bringing this game back would be amazing
I never knew this game but I remember when the kids on my street stopped playing magic to play Doomtrooper CCG. I saved up some money and a few months later I bought a stack of boosters from my LGS - Time Masters - and wound up with a big stack of cards. By then the kids had given up on Doomtrooper and my cards were useless. I tried to make up a game I could play by myself but it was not fun :(
Forgot I even have these. Bought about two boxes super cheap, in my teens, and me and a friend had fun playing it together. Like many card games back then, I bought them solely because of dragons.
I don't play or collect magic cards but I love your videos makes me want to start playing thanks for your time
I bought the cards because of the art. The same artist, Peter Pracownik, did all of the cards. I got a deal on them from my LGS because everyone else only wanted MTG.
Also, here is an updated (2017) rulebook:
hackandslashgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/WyvernCCG-Rules.pdf
The artist is Peter Pracownik and according to his website "Peter's exhaustive knowledge and understanding of mythology and legend brought him to the attention of US Games who commissioned him to create the best selling Dragon Tarot. The set was so successful that US Games next commissioned Peter to create the images for the Wyvern collectible card game, which has since become one of the most popular fantasy role playing games in the USA and Europe." LOL
I've been looking at failed tcg's and this ol' rudy vid came up. Very cool!
Upon release, this game had a very small print run. I think they had a small window to print when Magic: Revised went out, and before Tempest/ 4th edition was ready for printing. My LGS had 1 box of starters and 1 box of Boosters. I got a Starter and a couple boosters on day 1. Came back on day 2 and it was sold out. Owner said the cards were on backorder and it was gonna be 2 and a half to 3 months before they came in because they weren't even printed yet. It was kind of a 1 man show ( with Richard Garfields complete support and approval, they printed these in between runs of Magic, on the same machines) and this guy literally ran out of money before he could get the 2nd print run going. He was afraid to bring in investors because he didn't want to lose copyrights and ownership of the game.
Damn, I LOVED Wyvern. It was such a great game. Unfortunately the player base in my area dried up and the game died.
My local bar has a countertop with sports cards embeded in clear plastic. It would be cool if somebody were to make such a countertop with oldschool cards like these. Like how people arrange pennies on floors and pour epoxy over them.
I bought two boxes of this at 25 cents a pack back when a hobby store in my town went out of business.
Thanks for the new video Rudy! I love your failed card game videos.