As a precision 22lr shooter this may be the best, most honest, with accurate information video I've ever seen explaining upgrades and the pros and cons of the upgrades and what acceptable groups look like for competition shooting. Awesome Awesome video!
Great video. I think we forget the most important component in any shooting activity. The shooter. We have a young guy in my club over here in the UK who has the one and only RimX's I've ever seen. They are incredibly expensive here. He had it custom built with what looks like a scaffold pole for a barrel and a very expensive chass. It cost him thousands. He won the first two competitions he tried. Then along came one of our "older" members with a 50/60+ year old BSA martini henry single shot target rifle. The kid with the RimX consistently comes second (sometimes third or worse) to the old timer with the BSA. in 50- and 100-meter bench rest comps. The old timer can sure shoot. Doesn't matter how much you pour into a gun if your shooting fundamentals aren't right you won't win. Love your work. Looking forward to the next one.
There gets a stage where a CZ is no longer a CZ imo. And the cost of custom builds is beyond many of us so I have to ask what is the point? My 457 groups well enough to a hundred metres with all ammo brands, including none lead ( it is used for pesting and club ) And I agree, the shooter is the biggest factor. Guess that old maxim "a fool and his money" is true.
@Jon, a rifle is only a tool and that tool is only as good as it's user. When you asked "what's the point?" The point is to enjoy this hobby. Some of us are involved competitivly in NRL22, PRS or Benchrest. This tool we are using for this sport at some point becomes inadequate to compete at the top level, when YOU accuire the skills. If you feel your rifle will perform with the best, then I highly encourage you to join practicescore and sign up for a local 100m Benchrest, NRL22 match. As the saying goes, "You don't know what you don't know". Complaining about how expensive these custom builds are is like complaining how expensive a pro golfer's club set is....
Consistent with my experiences with Rimfire. I shot NRA smallbore Silhouette and Rimfire PRS for years. I found that all rifles are picky for ammo, and when changing ammo, it takes about 10 rounds for the new ammo to re-foul the barrel with it's own dirt... so to speak. I also found Rimfires do NOT like clean bores. In fact, I did NOT clean my rimfires (match ammo only) until end of season, or about 4000 rounds, and then it would take about 50 rounds to get them properly fouled again. I shot mostly CZ (452 back then), and I never saw much for tuners in the open classes until the 2010's. If you're on a budget, go stock CZ, find the ammo it likes best, and use that leftover $$ NOT spent on a Vudu22 to shoot 1000's of rounds. One upgrade you didn't consider, I always put a Timney trigger on my competition rifles, a lot of times the only upgrade I did. That consistent trigger pull helped immensely. A+ Video, thanks.
Thanks for sharing your expirence and agree. Yes, I left the trigger upgrade out of this because it can be viewed as improving the shooters ability to shoot more consistently vs the rifle. Also sets the base line to learn trigger control first before jumping to a 10oz trigger and develop bad habits.
Do yo u recommend CZ 457 American, or CZ 457 varmint with heavier barrell or something else? Also how important are threaded barrells as not all of the models come with it?
I totally agree. I was in the fly fishing industry for many years. So many anglers get caught up in buying the best gear possible, thinking it will make them a better angler. The trout don't care how much your rod costs. If they can afford it, it's no big deal, but at the end of the day, it's usually the wizard and not the wand. Just like spending that extra cash on a guide vs the latest reel is going to exponentially make you a better angler, spending the extra cash on ammo and practicing fundamentals will make you a better shooter. Then make the jump to something spendier, assuming you'll still love it after spending that time.
As someone who hunts as well as range shoots a rifle that achieves cold bore + point of aim = point of impact and then goes on to shoot a ~ 0.7 MOA or less group including the cold bore is a shooter, no question. That lack of cold bore deviation is vitally important as a hunter. Congratulations on a series of informative and well thought out videos.
I think a lot of people these days are just addicted to blowing money on accessorizing. I somewhat understand doing so if a person is competing and there is money on the line, but most guys just love to spend that money, regardless if they get results or not. I don't think most even look at cost / benefit analysis. I don't mind spending 3 or 4x what a stock rifle costs IF I get 3-4x the results. I can't justify that kind of cost to shoot a .050 or .100 smaller group, but then again I'm not a competitive shooter either. I'm enjoying the channel and honesty. Found you a couple days ago and subbed. Take care.
I have a CZ 457 Varmint in a Boyds AT One stock, using a Harrell tuner and also a bolt shim. It absolutely loves SK Standard Plus. When I do my part it's a 5 shot one hole group at 50 yards. I love my setup. I learn a lot watching your videos. Keep up the great work. Thanks.
Excellent content, nicely presented and you did not try to push for your custom barrel...just presented what you observed and did not try to omit the data when got surprising result with the surpressor...thanks for the time and effort making this video, well appreciated.
Kenny, I have enjoyed watching many of your videos . Have you ever done one to share your thoughts about how to clean and maintain the accuracy of a quality rimfire. I think that would interest a lot of shooters like myself. There seems to be many different opinions about cleaning rimfires in the shooting world. What has been your experience cleaning and shooting your fine rifles.
My cz 457 likes faster ammo plus 1200fps, cci stinger makes 10mm att 58 yqrds my gun is stock same set up as your's synthetic stock and thin threded berrel
Buddy, I'm only two minutes in, but I already know this is going to be one of the most interesting and educational videos on .22 LR precision rifles I've ever seen. Holy shit, this is going to be fantastic! Bravo!!!
Thank you for making this video. There isn't much for rim fire competition in my area unless I go about 4 hours away. But I have been looking pretty hard at getting a 457. This is probably the most thorough video I have found.
They are the cats cat's meow I have 3 457 match chamber and barrel take it from me they are hard to beat maybe with a rimx but diffinatly not a voodoo too much money for a lot of problems. Beagleman
Great video. Tuner would be great choice over the suppressor. I have a 22 suppressor and never thought about the debris from it going into barrel, makes sense.
I know this is an old video, but I hope that you will still answer my question: When you changed to the MDT ACC chassis you complained that it wasn't balanced. I could see that being important if you were standing or, perhaps kneeling. But, when you're not actually holding the rifle (bags or a rest) what difference does it make? From what I've seen at benchrest matches weight is more important and the more the better.
interesting thx. Do you think the suppressor ads accuracy because of its extra weight (and making the tip more stable) or because of the suppressing effect ?
Love my 457. I have the pro varmint model and it shoots way better than I can. I screwed up at the beginning of the PRS season and put myself in production division. Shot the match, took 2nd, was happy. Then I reread the rules the next day. Immediately contacted our MD and told him nope, put me in open division. My glass/rifle cost exceeded the cost limit. (Ran a Athlon midas tac scope, by msrp it put me $41 above the limit.) So I decided screw it, stay in open and bought a KRG Bravo stock for it. lol (Cheaper than new glass) Only thing I need to do with it is get the Area 419 rail for the scope so I can move it forward a bit more. The want to do, new trigger. Other than that I'm just going to run it. It shoots amazing with sk match rifle ammo. I use rimfire PRS as training for centerfire PRS.
I found my CZ 457 .22 MTR shoot the Cheap NORMA almost as good as the SK Norma $5. per Box, SK $18 I also have the CZ 457 VARMINT Bull barrel. another TAC DRIVER. Likes the V-MAX, LOVES the VNT Got to love the CZ's Now I want to look into the tuner. But my barrels are not threaded, so more cost if I go that way for a tighter group. Wish I could post my group with both calibers at 50 yards from bench rest
I know this is a little late to ask but I just ran across your video… When you changed your barrels, did you happen to change your grub screws or just leave the factory ones on. I see that people are selling “upgrades” for that. Also, what’s your thought on changing the bottom metal? Thanks.
Great video, thanks ! Where did you get those targets ? (MOA in 1/4 increments @ 100 Yards) They are an efficient use of space, I like em but my searching has come up with nothing...
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I'm new to 22lr precission shooting a really rookie, and find your channel very informative. Have you had any experience with Volquartsen rifles, like them or not?
Awesome Kenny. Full specked out custom just gives the consistency not capable of other project builds. Makes me more excited for my full (Kenny) custom to get done.
Saw a real good group with the stock/OEM barrel so a frugal fella who’s not into competition will do just fine I’d say. And still be able to pay some bills alone the way
Recently subscribed...Great content and straight shooter. I have a CZ that had the 'cracking' you observed with the borescope in your video - CZ 455/457 Build series | Initial Accuracy - The cracking runs from muzzle end inside about 2" down . The rifle tosses fliers with every type of ammo I tried. I was shooting factory class at my local club, but this barrel put the stop to that. Not sure If I want to chance buying another CZ barrel or just put a 'real' barrel on it and shoot unlimited class. Depressing.
Thank-you Robbo. Any factory rifle will of course have the possibility sub par quality and accuracy. Even with prefit barrels theirs this possibility. Very few shops offer a guarantee based off the rifles tested performance. That's something I personally provide in my shop. Ive got multiple options for the 22lr both in barreled actions and full complete builds. Just google Desert Precision Gunworks
Can you explain your barrel mounting on the CZ? Did you use the grub screws without the cutouts for the screws to seat into? Have you tried a glue in for elimination of action torque due to the grub screws?
Have a 457 American standard wood stock set up…have tried all different types of ammo BUT always shoots best with SK standard plus yellow label every time.
This a very informative video thank you for making it I'm in the market for a 457 and a friend sent me this video. I'm glad he did. I have to ask but what part of the US are you in? That is beautiful terrain I would think Arizona maybe?
Good video and results, for me chassis arnt much to look at so I wonder how a good action and barrel in a more traditional stock would shoot considering the ergonomics.
nice information about some interesting points about tuners , cold bore shift , you knowledge and your opinions , with the price of rim X action or a vudoo the turbo is not very comon in prs or nrl ? i think it is same price or even less , it is nice to see one build for you and test it in video , great information and great videos .
@@EagleEyeShooting that’s what I did with my pro Varmint . The xrs is a huge improvement ergonomically. However the 16.5” barrel only extends beyond the end of the chassis by only maybe 1 1/2”. A little more barrel length would be more visually appealing . One thing tho, my rifle shoots great in both stocks . Any accuracy improvements I’ve gained by changing to the chassis is simply because I’m more comfortable behind it , and the extra weight makes it steadier on the benchrest .
Digging the content man! When my rifle is built I’m gonna need a long range buddy. Is it safe to shoot over behind the heights? I think you know the spot. it’s the only place I can find consistently flat ground for long range stuff that’s within 30 minutes lol
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Hi great video, thx, one question which tools are you using for hits see on mobile thx
Kenny, that's a great video! I'm in the market for a budget target grade 22LR, and I appreciate your shooting ability with the stock CZ and the EC Barrel Tuner to base a decision on instead of just marketing hype. Along the budget line, can you recommend a decent scope primarily for 25-50 yard targets? Also, can you recommend a Timney trigger upgrade? Thanks in advance, and I second the positive comments about your patient sons!
Thank-you. I would recommend the Athlon Helos BTR Gen 2 over the Arkens. The reticle has 2 tenth increments which is needed for 22lr over Arken. The glass is also clearer on the higher magnification. If your looking for more benchrest, Athlon makes a SFP 10-40x56
Hoping the one I have coming shoots as well. Nix the heavy barrel. Also will be taking advantage of their switchable barrels. The other positive about the 457 is it’s still selling for the same price a 452 was 20+ years ago. In a world where gun prices have escalated 50-100% Value for dollar. Thanks.
Prone is the most stable position to shoot from. That's why F Class, small bore F Class, ELR shooters all shoot prone. Besides is also a PITA to lug around a table to my shooting area. I'm healthy enough to shoot prone comfortably
Thanks for awesome video. Could you please make some video about Tikka T1X? It is worse than Bergara/CZ or just all of them need more ore less work to be a tack driver? Thanks
great video. I learnt a lot from you. I will tighten the action screws. I don't have the right tools.. Just wondering why you didn't try 100yrds. It'd have been a much better comparision. I'll go get some Sk rifle match matcho tomorrow lol. thank you for your hard work and money spent on doing tests.
Don't disagree with the assessment of the suppressor as to grit and debris in the bore and action but except for the highest level of competition I think the suppressor almost always increases accuracy for a variety of reasons especially with less experienced shooters. please detail the device(s) used to film and record the shot placement. Camera? Phone? Software?
Check out The Xring channel. Me and him both have showed instances where suppressors degrade accuracy in rifles. Or in this instance help. Again, this is from expirence with MANY rifles I've built and tested
@@EagleEyeShooting I will check it out. I appreciate your input on this. I prefer not to shoot unsuppressed so I am very interested in maximizing suppressed accuracy. But I'm also in a much shallower end of the pool. I have a couple of rifles that can perform just over 1moa suppressed, with minimal cold shift and with just above average ammo. Which I consider to be outstanding performance. I have never been able to achieve sub-moa performance (past 50 yd) and your videos have helped me understand why.
Now im a big advocate of testing for yourself. When chasing accuracy, it is a process of variable elimination. Unfortunately in 22LR, the variables you cannot eliminate are in the ammunition. When you look at the data and those who shoot 22lr in competition for accuracy, none of those accomplished shooters use a suppressor. A suppressor adds a variable in this equation. Now whats the benefit of shooting suppressed for a 22lr besides sound reduction? 22lr subsonic is already hearing safe with 20+" barrels unsuppressed... now you can go down this rabbit hole chasing accuracy shooting 22lr suppressed adding tuners and what not, or look at the irrefutable evidence that suppressors in 22lr in regards to accuracy is not a good choice
watched x-ring's vid on the comparison w/vudoo and I would tend to agree as it pertains to purpose built PRS platforms for competition. He did not do the math but looked like a 1-1.5 moa performance hit @300. (even tho the sample size was small) Taking out the wind probably much more as the unsuppressed vertical string was significantly better. I do still believe that for multi use rimfire platform advantages of suppressed outweigh disadvantages inside 100y. As barrel length and range decrease, advantage of suppression increases. I agree with your assessment that it just adds another variable to a long list of variables that have to be managed when striving for the highest achievable accuracy.
First thing I did with my 457 was to remove, yes, remove the trigger setting screw making the trigger as light as possible.. I would like to find a decent subsonic hollow point as the CCI 1050 fps I use is a lot less accurate than target rounds... Moderator fitted for vermin control.
To be able to shoot longer distance. You end up with more travel on the scope I have a 50MOA on mine Shot it at 400 yards and repeatedly was hitting a 10” plate that was 69 MOA and i still have a lot left. I ppan to shoot at 500 yards this weekend
@@maxcoatlhunter4322 it is possible The wind is the biggest factor. At 300 yards you can have 3’ of wind and the wind slightly change and then you are off 2’ I read that at 300 yards a 22LR has a similar trajectory as a 308 does at 1000 yards
I don't totally agree. From my expirence, tuners allow the user to find the resonate frequency of the barrel. Once you find it, set it and forget it. The chamber design, quality of the barrel and its jam point play the bigger role in accuracy of the ammo. Ive had great success with the barrels I sort and chamber with a tuner set which allowed for a plethora of match grade ammo to shoot consistently in the .3"s and sub 1" at 100 yards. Cyclops Joe Rhea will have a video on this soon on his channel
I wanted to thank you very much for your video. I am especially interested in your opinions of different ammunition and the mechanics of equipment. I am an accuracy "nut" that is a bit on the frugal side meaning I don't realize the same success as competition shooters. The question I'm constantly asking myself is where do I draw the satisfaction line in equipment and components based on investment; that is where your opinions aid me greatly.
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Your son deserves a medal for his patience !
Yeah there's nothing like the boredom that comes from watching your dad do his thing.
As a precision 22lr shooter this may be the best, most honest, with accurate information video I've ever seen explaining upgrades and the pros and cons of the upgrades and what acceptable groups look like for competition shooting. Awesome Awesome video!
Wow great video 📹
Have not seen such a detailed video in quite some time I truly enjoyed it 👍
Great video. I think we forget the most important component in any shooting activity. The shooter. We have a young guy in my club over here in the UK who has the one and only RimX's I've ever seen. They are incredibly expensive here. He had it custom built with what looks like a scaffold pole for a barrel and a very expensive chass. It cost him thousands. He won the first two competitions he tried. Then along came one of our "older" members with a 50/60+ year old BSA martini henry single shot target rifle. The kid with the RimX consistently comes second (sometimes third or worse) to the old timer with the BSA. in 50- and 100-meter bench rest comps. The old timer can sure shoot. Doesn't matter how much you pour into a gun if your shooting fundamentals aren't right you won't win. Love your work. Looking forward to the next one.
loved those BSA's my Dad had an old one ( non Target version) and I used it round the farm for years, it was beautifully accurate
You might consider cleaning the suppressor because they do collect carbon over time after about every three hundred bullets
There gets a stage where a CZ is no longer a CZ imo. And the cost of custom builds is beyond many of us so I have to ask what is the point? My 457 groups well enough to a hundred metres with all ammo brands, including none lead ( it is used for pesting and club ) And I agree, the shooter is the biggest factor. Guess that old maxim "a fool and his money" is true.
@Jon, a rifle is only a tool and that tool is only as good as it's user. When you asked "what's the point?" The point is to enjoy this hobby. Some of us are involved competitivly in NRL22, PRS or Benchrest. This tool we are using for this sport at some point becomes inadequate to compete at the top level, when YOU accuire the skills.
If you feel your rifle will perform with the best, then I highly encourage you to join practicescore and sign up for a local 100m Benchrest, NRL22 match. As the saying goes, "You don't know what you don't know". Complaining about how expensive these custom builds are is like complaining how expensive a pro golfer's club set is....
Consistent with my experiences with Rimfire. I shot NRA smallbore Silhouette and Rimfire PRS for years. I found that all rifles are picky for ammo, and when changing ammo, it takes about 10 rounds for the new ammo to re-foul the barrel with it's own dirt... so to speak. I also found Rimfires do NOT like clean bores. In fact, I did NOT clean my rimfires (match ammo only) until end of season, or about 4000 rounds, and then it would take about 50 rounds to get them properly fouled again. I shot mostly CZ (452 back then), and I never saw much for tuners in the open classes until the 2010's. If you're on a budget, go stock CZ, find the ammo it likes best, and use that leftover $$ NOT spent on a Vudu22 to shoot 1000's of rounds. One upgrade you didn't consider, I always put a Timney trigger on my competition rifles, a lot of times the only upgrade I did. That consistent trigger pull helped immensely. A+ Video, thanks.
Thanks for sharing your expirence and agree. Yes, I left the trigger upgrade out of this because it can be viewed as improving the shooters ability to shoot more consistently vs the rifle. Also sets the base line to learn trigger control first before jumping to a 10oz trigger and develop bad habits.
My 457 needs to be cleaned every 4 to 5 hundred rounds as the accuracy drops off at that point
Johnny RC....
Thanks for the information...
A CZ 457 and BMR 22lr
Do yo u recommend CZ 457 American, or CZ 457 varmint with heavier barrell or something else? Also how important are threaded barrells as not all of the models come with it?
I totally agree. I was in the fly fishing industry for many years. So many anglers get caught up in buying the best gear possible, thinking it will make them a better angler. The trout don't care how much your rod costs. If they can afford it, it's no big deal, but at the end of the day, it's usually the wizard and not the wand. Just like spending that extra cash on a guide vs the latest reel is going to exponentially make you a better angler, spending the extra cash on ammo and practicing fundamentals will make you a better shooter. Then make the jump to something spendier, assuming you'll still love it after spending that time.
It’s your honesty that keeps me watching your channel.
Thanks for this video. The CZ 457 is a wonderful rifle. Your explanations and examples make it better !
As someone who hunts as well as range shoots a rifle that achieves cold bore + point of aim = point of impact and then goes on to shoot a ~ 0.7 MOA or less group including the cold bore is a shooter, no question. That lack of cold bore deviation is vitally important as a hunter. Congratulations on a series of informative and well thought out videos.
OUTSTANDING! Thank you for your willingness to challenge myths, provide data down range, and taking us along on your journey.
I think a lot of people these days are just addicted to blowing money on accessorizing. I somewhat understand doing so if a person is competing and there is money on the line, but most guys just love to spend that money, regardless if they get results or not. I don't think most even look at cost / benefit analysis. I don't mind spending 3 or 4x what a stock rifle costs IF I get 3-4x the results. I can't justify that kind of cost to shoot a .050 or .100 smaller group, but then again I'm not a competitive shooter either.
I'm enjoying the channel and honesty. Found you a couple days ago and subbed. Take care.
Great video. Absolutely love all of your builds. Please keep them coming.
I have a CZ 457 Varmint in a Boyds AT One stock, using a Harrell tuner and also a bolt shim. It absolutely loves SK Standard Plus. When I do my part it's a 5 shot one hole group at 50 yards. I love my setup. I learn a lot watching your videos. Keep up the great work. Thanks.
Excellent content, nicely presented and you did not try to push for your custom barrel...just presented what you observed and did not try to omit the data when got surprising result with the surpressor...thanks for the time and effort making this video, well appreciated.
When trying to share data and results. Conclusions are best served honest. Appreciate recognizing these efforts
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*Integrity* 👍🏼
CZ 457 Rock's. I have the Varmint MTR & it's my favorite. Great Video. 👍🏼
Enjoyed the easter eggs of knowledge throughout the video.
Kenny, I have enjoyed watching many of your videos . Have you ever done one to share your thoughts about how to clean and maintain the accuracy of a quality rimfire. I think that would interest a lot of shooters like myself. There seems to be many different opinions about cleaning rimfires in the shooting world. What has been your experience cleaning and shooting your fine rifles.
My cz 457 likes faster ammo plus 1200fps, cci stinger makes 10mm att 58 yqrds
my gun is stock same set up as your's synthetic stock and thin threded berrel
Great video. The one thing that will make that rifle shoot better in that factory plastic stock, is bedding the rifle with epoxy putty.
My god! What great groups straight out of the box. CZ make great little guns.
Buddy, I'm only two minutes in, but I already know this is going to be one of the most interesting and educational videos on .22 LR precision rifles I've ever seen. Holy shit, this is going to be fantastic! Bravo!!!
Thank you for making this video. There isn't much for rim fire competition in my area unless I go about 4 hours away. But I have been looking pretty hard at getting a 457. This is probably the most thorough video I have found.
They are the cats cat's meow I have 3 457 match chamber and barrel take it from me they are hard to beat maybe with a rimx but diffinatly not a voodoo too much money for a lot of problems.
Beagleman
I would really have liked to see you adjust the tuner and produce consistent bad groups then retune and shoot consistent great groups
Cool video Kenny , but I’ll stick with my RimX :)
man id love to see a video doing a MK2 performance upgrade like this! youre videos are awesome
Just learning about this type of shooting with 22s best video I’ve seen so far on TH-cam for this sport
Great video. Tuner would be great choice over the suppressor. I have a 22 suppressor and never thought about the debris from it going into barrel, makes sense.
Great shooting Kenny. Thanks for the video and information. You are doing some great work.
Great video. Very helpful to a new comer to NRL22. Thanks
Thanks for making this video. Considering the scarcity and selection of ammo this video provides us with some excellent recommendations.
Great Video !!!!!! Would love to see your barrel shooting against a stock bull barrel that would come on a VPC CZ 457 (none MTR)
I know this is an old video, but I hope that you will still answer my question:
When you changed to the MDT ACC chassis you complained that it wasn't balanced. I could see that being important if you were standing or, perhaps kneeling. But, when you're not actually holding the rifle (bags or a rest) what difference does it make? From what I've seen at benchrest matches weight is more important and the more the better.
I watched your other video I believe your work is exceptional. In testing fairly you you use good judgment keep up the videos.
Has there ever been a more popular rifle and calibre than the CZ 457, the net is buzzing with reviews on this beautiful rifle!
Good video !! In your experience do you think going to a Bergara would need less upgrades?
interesting thx. Do you think the suppressor ads accuracy because of its extra weight (and making the tip more stable) or because of the suppressing effect ?
The weight is helping settling the barrel. 🤙
I like your show.
It's very well presented and thought out.
Hopefully your czs come back in stock soon.
Love my 457. I have the pro varmint model and it shoots way better than I can. I screwed up at the beginning of the PRS season and put myself in production division. Shot the match, took 2nd, was happy. Then I reread the rules the next day. Immediately contacted our MD and told him nope, put me in open division. My glass/rifle cost exceeded the cost limit. (Ran a Athlon midas tac scope, by msrp it put me $41 above the limit.) So I decided screw it, stay in open and bought a KRG Bravo stock for it. lol (Cheaper than new glass) Only thing I need to do with it is get the Area 419 rail for the scope so I can move it forward a bit more. The want to do, new trigger. Other than that I'm just going to run it. It shoots amazing with sk match rifle ammo. I use rimfire PRS as training for centerfire PRS.
I found my CZ 457 .22 MTR shoot the Cheap NORMA almost as good as the SK Norma $5. per Box, SK $18 I also have the CZ 457 VARMINT Bull barrel. another TAC DRIVER. Likes the V-MAX, LOVES the VNT Got to love the CZ's
Now I want to look into the tuner. But my barrels are not threaded, so more cost if I go that way for a tighter group. Wish I could post my group with both calibers at 50 yards from bench rest
Won’t be long it’ll be a year plus wait for a rifle from you. That’s how amazing your work is.
If you are getting hits that are touching, you should shoot at longer distances to open it up so as to better see any precision improvements.
Well done Kenny. Lots of useful information.
I know this is a little late to ask but I just ran across your video… When you changed your barrels, did you happen to change your grub screws or just leave the factory ones on. I see that people are selling “upgrades” for that. Also, what’s your thought on changing the bottom metal? Thanks.
Impressive stock setup that got better with upgrades. Really cool utv you’ve got too
Thanks for the video, very informative. What kind of target camera du you use? It looks very nice.
Love these videos. great work
Great video, thanks ! Where did you get those targets ? (MOA in 1/4 increments @ 100 Yards) They are an efficient use of space, I like em but my searching has come up with nothing...
Another great .22lr video. Just started following you. Keep up the great work. CZ is killer with that big barrel. Tony Melb Australia
Thanks 🤙 appreciate the sub
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Which tuner did you use? The original or the tapered? Can the original be used on the tapered barrel of the 457 synthetic?
AWESOME JOB! My dream gun is definitely a Rim-X built by you.
Thats an honor to hear. Hopefully we can make that happen 🙏
I'm new to 22lr precission shooting a really rookie, and find your channel very informative. Have you had any experience with Volquartsen rifles, like them or not?
Most informative 22LR tech channel running!
Awesome Kenny. Full specked out custom just gives the consistency not capable of other project builds. Makes me more excited for my full (Kenny) custom to get done.
Good shooting. I was hoping you'd let the boy have a try at it.
Thanks for the video Kenny some interesting results!
Saw a real good group with the stock/OEM barrel so a frugal fella who’s not into competition will do just fine I’d say. And still be able to pay some bills alone the way
Absolutely good stuff real knowledgeable
Recently subscribed...Great content and straight shooter.
I have a CZ that had the 'cracking' you observed with the borescope in your video - CZ 455/457 Build series | Initial Accuracy - The cracking runs from muzzle end inside about 2" down . The rifle tosses fliers with every type of ammo I tried. I was shooting factory class at my local club, but this barrel put the stop to that.
Not sure If I want to chance buying another CZ barrel or just put a 'real' barrel on it and shoot unlimited class. Depressing.
Thank-you Robbo. Any factory rifle will of course have the possibility sub par quality and accuracy. Even with prefit barrels theirs this possibility. Very few shops offer a guarantee based off the rifles tested performance. That's something I personally provide in my shop. Ive got multiple options for the 22lr both in barreled actions and full complete builds. Just google Desert Precision Gunworks
Can you explain your barrel mounting on the CZ? Did you use the grub screws without the cutouts for the screws to seat into? Have you tried a glue in for elimination of action torque due to the grub screws?
Great content as usual Kenny! Thanks a bunch!
Thanks for this video. Always like comparisons. Blessings
Really like your videos!!! Just getting into rim fire,so great info.
Have a 457 American standard wood stock set up…have tried all different types of ammo BUT always shoots best with SK standard plus yellow label every time.
me too!
This a very informative video thank you for making it I'm in the market for a 457 and a friend sent me this video. I'm glad he did. I have to ask but what part of the US are you in? That is beautiful terrain I would think Arizona maybe?
Man thats a good looking chassis 😁
Looks better on a CZ than a Vudoo 🤙
@@EagleEyeShooting thats why I own 3......one for cz, one for vudoo, one for bergara 😁
Good video, I will say I want to see what the new barrel does after 500/1k rounds and it's fully fouled in.
Your the man !! As usual a very informative vid. I wish you would do a few howa builds or give a impression about them. Thanks !!
Keep the videos coming, great stuff!
Good video and results, for me chassis arnt much to look at so I wonder how a good action and barrel in a more traditional stock would shoot considering the ergonomics.
My cz457 likes sk pistol match ammo and I'm thinking of purchasing a ez tuner for it. Thanks for you help and informative video
nice information about some interesting points about tuners , cold bore shift , you knowledge and your opinions , with the price of rim X action or a vudoo the turbo is not very comon in prs or nrl ? i think it is same price or even less , it is nice to see one build for you and test it in video , great information and great videos .
Great video can't thank you enough
Do you think pillers and bedding on a pro varmint worth the effort? Can't swing a chassis right now.
Id recommend the MDT XRS than the headache and hopes with bedding a factory stock. Around 400$ and is an outstanding choice
@@EagleEyeShooting that’s what I did with my pro Varmint . The xrs is a huge improvement ergonomically. However the 16.5” barrel only extends beyond the end of the chassis by only maybe 1 1/2”. A little more barrel length would be more visually appealing . One thing tho, my rifle shoots great in both stocks . Any accuracy improvements I’ve gained by changing to the chassis is simply because I’m more comfortable behind it , and the extra weight makes it steadier on the benchrest .
100 percent agree that a supressor can hurt accuracy. It did on my rimx. Plus as awesome as it is to run one it's just another thing to worry about.
Digging the content man! When my rifle is built I’m gonna need a long range buddy. Is it safe to shoot over behind the heights? I think you know the spot. it’s the only place I can find consistently flat ground for long range stuff that’s within 30 minutes lol
The a hole developers blocked access to the old development east that I use to go to. They also call the cops and will chase you if they are working. Hit me up, ill show you my BLM spot thats near by
@@EagleEyeShooting Aw man what a huge bummer, looked promising. Oh well. Lol For sure dude I appreciate that! Are you on any other social media where I can hit you up?
Hi great video, thx, one question which tools are you using for hits see on mobile thx
Very impressive presentation 👍
Kenny, that's a great video! I'm in the market for a budget target grade 22LR, and I appreciate your shooting ability with the stock CZ and the EC Barrel Tuner to base a decision on instead of just marketing hype. Along the budget line, can you recommend a decent scope primarily for 25-50 yard targets? Also, can you recommend a Timney trigger upgrade? Thanks in advance, and I second the positive comments about your patient sons!
Thank-you. I would recommend the Athlon Helos BTR Gen 2 over the Arkens. The reticle has 2 tenth increments which is needed for 22lr over Arken. The glass is also clearer on the higher magnification. If your looking for more benchrest, Athlon makes a SFP 10-40x56
@@EagleEyeShooting and which scope rings would you recommend for the Athlon and the CZ457 Scope Base - 30 MOA?
Hoping the one I have coming shoots as well. Nix the heavy barrel. Also will be taking advantage of their switchable barrels. The other positive about the 457 is it’s still selling for the same price a 452 was 20+ years ago. In a world where gun prices have escalated 50-100% Value for dollar. Thanks.
You got that right brother because all my czs seem to like the most expensive go figure.
Beagleman
Great video will a tuner work on a 16inch barrel ?
You make some excellent videos!
I have a question... if you change ammo shouldn't you retune with the EC tuner?
Ok, dumb question, why are you prone instead of a bench rest table? Is that a class of competition?
Prone is the most stable position to shoot from. That's why F Class, small bore F Class, ELR shooters all shoot prone. Besides is also a PITA to lug around a table to my shooting area. I'm healthy enough to shoot prone comfortably
Thanks for awesome video. Could you please make some video about Tikka T1X? It is worse than Bergara/CZ or just all of them need more ore less work to be a tack driver? Thanks
Considering some of these upgrades are kind of pricey what would be your recommendation to start with and which upgrade shouldn't be taken
GREAT VIDEO :-)
Can you name me the camera app you use?
Excellent video. Thank you for doing it
Awesome video with great info. What camera did you use and how do you do the split view?
Would love to see a Savage MK2 rebarrel. Not for sure if can be done very well with their actions though.
a quick question; what torque do you recommend for the action screws? or does it matter?
I just use a T handle wrench and torque till it bounces back. No set preference. Haven't noticed a difference. But to each their own
Very informative. Thank you.
Great video........thx 👍
great video. I learnt a lot from you. I will tighten the action screws. I don't have the right tools.. Just wondering why you didn't try 100yrds. It'd have been a much better comparision. I'll go get some Sk rifle match matcho tomorrow lol. thank you for your hard work and money spent on doing tests.
Thanks! Wind showed up. Testing at 100 yards wouldn't have shown results of the rifle without taking in environmentals
Don't disagree with the assessment of the suppressor as to grit and debris in the bore and action but except for the highest level of competition I think the suppressor almost always increases accuracy for a variety of reasons especially with less experienced shooters. please detail the device(s) used to film and record the shot placement. Camera? Phone? Software?
Check out The Xring channel. Me and him both have showed instances where suppressors degrade accuracy in rifles. Or in this instance help. Again, this is from expirence with MANY rifles I've built and tested
@@EagleEyeShooting I will check it out. I appreciate your input on this. I prefer not to shoot unsuppressed so I am very interested in maximizing suppressed accuracy. But I'm also in a much shallower end of the pool. I have a couple of rifles that can perform just over 1moa suppressed, with minimal cold shift and with just above average ammo. Which I consider to be outstanding performance. I have never been able to achieve sub-moa performance (past 50 yd) and your videos have helped me understand why.
Now im a big advocate of testing for yourself. When chasing accuracy, it is a process of variable elimination. Unfortunately in 22LR, the variables you cannot eliminate are in the ammunition. When you look at the data and those who shoot 22lr in competition for accuracy, none of those accomplished shooters use a suppressor. A suppressor adds a variable in this equation. Now whats the benefit of shooting suppressed for a 22lr besides sound reduction? 22lr subsonic is already hearing safe with 20+" barrels unsuppressed... now you can go down this rabbit hole chasing accuracy shooting 22lr suppressed adding tuners and what not, or look at the irrefutable evidence that suppressors in 22lr in regards to accuracy is not a good choice
watched x-ring's vid on the comparison w/vudoo and I would tend to agree as it pertains to purpose built PRS platforms for competition. He did not do the math but looked like a 1-1.5 moa performance hit @300. (even tho the sample size was small) Taking out the wind probably much more as the unsuppressed vertical string was significantly better. I do still believe that for multi use rimfire platform advantages of suppressed outweigh disadvantages inside 100y. As barrel length and range decrease, advantage of suppression increases. I agree with your assessment that it just adds another variable to a long list of variables that have to be managed when striving for the highest achievable accuracy.
What camera did you have downrange?
First thing I did with my 457 was to remove, yes, remove the trigger setting screw making the trigger as light as possible.. I would like to find a decent subsonic hollow point as the CCI 1050 fps I use is a lot less accurate than target rounds...
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Good shoting but one question, trying to learn here.. what's the point of puting a 20 MOA on a rimfire? TIA
To be able to shoot longer distance. You end up with more travel on the scope
I have a 50MOA on mine
Shot it at 400 yards and repeatedly was hitting a 10” plate that was 69 MOA and i still have a lot left.
I ppan to shoot at 500 yards this weekend
@@captainamer71 400 and 500 yards with a rimfire? wow!
@@maxcoatlhunter4322 it is possible
The wind is the biggest factor. At 300 yards you can have 3’ of wind and the wind slightly change and then you are off 2’
I read that at 300 yards a 22LR has a similar trajectory as a 308 does at 1000 yards
Great video, any chance of a breakdown as to what you have in that little pouch toolkit? Looks neat and tidy
Borka Tool kit. X-Ring edition from xringcustom com
You cant change ammo. With the EC tuner you need to tune each ammo separately.
I don't totally agree. From my expirence, tuners allow the user to find the resonate frequency of the barrel. Once you find it, set it and forget it. The chamber design, quality of the barrel and its jam point play the bigger role in accuracy of the ammo. Ive had great success with the barrels I sort and chamber with a tuner set which allowed for a plethora of match grade ammo to shoot consistently in the .3"s and sub 1" at 100 yards.
Cyclops Joe Rhea will have a video on this soon on his channel
Thank you for sharing your video..
I wanted to thank you very much for your video. I am especially interested in your opinions of different ammunition and the mechanics of equipment. I am an accuracy "nut" that is a bit on the frugal side meaning I don't realize the same success as competition shooters. The question I'm constantly asking myself is where do I draw the satisfaction line in equipment and components based on investment; that is where your opinions aid me greatly.