Air cooled vs liquid cooled doesn’t really have much to do with torque output. It’s about the piston geometry. The scout is running a fatter piston with a shorter stroke which allows for more RPM’s and horsepower, the chief is running a narrower piston with a longer stroke. Creating more low rpm torque but with limited rpm ceiling. One being air cooled and the other liquid are just necessities based around those motor geometries, higher rpm motors need more cooling because they produce more heat. Low rpm, long stroke motors can get by with air cooling
@@RickyNotSoMartin if your interested in learning about this I suggest checking this out. th-cam.com/video/-ooue7i73zo/w-d-xo.html Most of this also applies with the scout vs chief comparison
@@cowmath77 That is true. But my point is that air cooled versus liquid cooled is correlation, not causation to power output. Did you actually read my comment?
@@cowmath77 But here’s the problem. It’s about educating people on a misconception. The cooling mechanism is not what “makes“ the Power. It is a byproduct of how the power is being made. You can in theory make a short stroke High compression motor that will rev to 17,000 RPM. That is air cooled. And that motor will make the same amount of power as the liquid cooled version. The only real difference being the air cooled one is going to overheat causing plenty of damage to itself. Making it a very unreliable platform. The purpose of my comment was to point out the actual causation of the Power. which is what the vast majority of people get wrong. I 100% agree that it’s a chicken egg situation. Because a reliable high revving motor. Typically won’t be built without liquid cooling. But that’s not the point. The point is to educate people who don’t understand how it actually works.
The way the scout looks its charming, i definitely go with the scout no matter what, if Indian would bring those chief's features to the scout like cruise control or that display they will improve their sales a lot. Grande Ricky!.
Seeing this video makes me more excited to get my chief. It's the exact model I ordered. I got rid of my scout bobber 60 a few months ago. I'm hoping I'll get my new chief in the next month or two. It's insane people waiting five to six months for their orders. It was a great video keep up the good content my Boricua brother!
@SGT Barnes have you done any upgrades to the chief? I bought already accessories. Passenger seat, pegs, mini ape handlebars, dean speed slip-ons, sissy bar, crash bars, handlebar bag, and high flow intake. Some of the parts are in my garage. It's just waiting to be put on. How long did it take to get your Chief?
@whitebeltchamp1 Thank you so much!! And yea... it's crazy supply chains are everywhere. I ordered a camera and its going to be a few months before I get it... Some things are worth waiting for though... that bike will not disappoint! Damn... you went crazy with all those accesories! You'll be ready to go! @sgt Barnes Thanks for watching and for sharing your experience!
I was first smitten with the Bobber after watching all those silly Progressive Insurance commercials. I ordered a 2021 Scout Bobber ABS in maroon metallic smoke in August and she didn't arrive until late January. Classy ladies always make gentlemen wait, but it was well worth it!😍
@SGT Barnes Comedian Daniel Tosh once asked "Ever see a sad person on a wave runner??? Have you??? I dare you to try and frown while you're on a wave runner!" Well, thank goodness my reflective visor hides my toothy, goofy grin!😁
Very nice real world look at both of these bikes. I'm a big fan of what Indian is doing, I've been eyeballing that scout for a while. It's time to pull the trigger.
Great comparison Ricky. Just a thought….I bit the bullet and ordered the McCruise electronic cruise control for my Scout Bobber and it was a game changer. As far as mods, it’s right up there with the Corbin seat. On the highway and on trips the cruise control has been flawless and has really made those rides a breeze.
This is the first of your videos I've seen. I'll definitely check out more. Just wanted to say - kudos on your review style. As a newer rider, i really appreciate your attention to and explanation of a lot of these details. Keep up the good work, brother
I’m always watching bike stuff as we near Spring. Enjoyed the content, especially the 0-60 ‘comparison’. I’ll never get tired of doing that! +1 on the heavier bike for long distance or even all day riding. The bigger my bikes got, the less I felt beat up. Do I need a smaller commuter, no. But it sure is great to see new bobber offerings! I’ve always had a fondness for bobbers and have yet to scratch that itch.
Really nice review, makes me want both lol. Since I live in Dallas/Fort Worth with lots of traffic and Texas heat I like the liquid cooled and smaller Scout Bobber. Either way, Indian is hitting home runs with these bikes.
I don’t even have to think about mounting a phone on my Indian chief thanks to the Ride Command which I think is very valuable. Don’t have to worry about a radiator, hoses, pump, or coolant changes. Better for me because I like to do long rides so I slapped a fat wind screen on it and some bags and I can go riding all day on a Corbin seat and I am happy loving it enjoying it. Think I want to ride to Alaska from Southern California on my Chief.
Those are really good points! Thanks for sharing that info with us! That sounds like a hell of a trip! The PCH is high on my bucket list rides. Are you riding there and back? I’ve heard riding it from N to S is the way to go because you’re always on the side of the road by the ocean.
@@RickyNotSoMartin I heard the same thing so I was thinking taking an inland trip north and then the ocean view back south because I wanna be able to see more while I’m on the trip anyway, I’d rather see different scenery both ways. On another note Stage two is illegal in California so I took a road trip to Las Vegas about 300 miles from where I am on my chief and it was super fun! Now I’m one of the very few stage twos out here and that combined with a dean speed exhaust my bike sounds bad ass! I’ve spent almost 9K decking out my Chief and love it! Anytime I have a nice weekend I will spend a Saturday or Sunday riding a few hundred miles round-trip and I’ve really gotten to know the geography of Southern California. It’s been a blast owning the bike so far . The scout is a great bike but I don’t think it would fit what I used this hobby for, hopefully my comment helps someone decide. Your original chief review helped sway me in Chief direction so thank you Ricky!
That’s freaking awesome! 🙏🙏 I’m glad my video helped! And yea, if you’re putting down miles like that, the Chief is the way to go for sure! I can’t wait to get something more suited for long trips and start seeing more of this beautiful country!
Did a road trip in the car up through central Nevada a few years back and it was beautiful. Granted mid January was cold and weather was less than idea for a bike but most of the drive was screensaver worthy
I just bought the same bobber (2020) as a fun bike to ride around my area with. I have such a blast with it. My other bike is a 2015 Victory CrossCountry. I love that bike and riding it until I need to retire it. The Vic is my road-trip comfort bike. The scout is my Sunday bike lol.
I ended up going with the Super Chief Limited. I loved the 116 engine and the touchscreen of the dark horse/limited trim, but that Chrome engine, windscreen, saddlebags, and floorboards included in the super chief limited trim put me over the edge.
Tell her you are going to wear a helite turtle three vest and show her a video by a TH-camr called fortnine maybe she will change her mind… I wear one and get called Gay but you know what my job depends on me not getting hurt so hopefully it’ll help out if anything bad ever happens. riding is dangerous but I have great memories not possible without it. Live life to the fullest and cross your fingers!
13y ago my wife told me than we can Sell Our car and get a motorcycle, at first moment I thought, bikes are dsngerous and I don't know How to drive a big motorcycle, We did It... And now we are very happy whit our motorcycle, we enjoy rides and chill Time together... Mr Joel whit all my respects I Recommend to you Buy a motorcycle and enjoy The Road whit His wife Like passenger... Time never come back, and may be later you can regrets for don't do It... I hope you can understand muy english, 'cause I'm learning, I'm Mexican trying ti learn your language... Saludos desde SINALOA
That means a lot Joel!! I’m glad you enjoy my videos! Maybe try to convince her to take a motorcycle safety course and see how she feels about it afterwards? I’m a huge fan of Fortnine Naythan! Great recommendation! Love hearing stories like that Paul! Thanks for sharing!
@Game Time with Jc 'Cause In Mexico Is very expensive to have a car... Bad roads, too Much traffic and gasoline price Is very high . So... For economy, fast transport and The principal thing Is than After 15y riding Now I love Motorcycles... We can Buy a car but honestly we Don't like cars. My wife and me, we love Bikes.
In a strange way I actually prefer the old school “no frills” speedometer… the display on the dark horse is badass but I feel it diminishes the soul of the bike
I was 100% thinking the same thing. Too bad they don't try to give an old-school appearance to this tech on a bike. Imagine that thing having an old-school look with modern features once you start engaging it. I think that would be best of both worlds
Great comparison ✊ I know we are all (at least I am and from what I’ve read in the comment section) appreciating the top notch content and how you present your unbiased feedback , and give it to us straight 🆙, with no BS , A huge thank you 🙏 🙏🙏 When I’m satisfied with my super sport / hyper sport naked bike phase , I’m definitely going to be getting both the Scout Bobber and the Chief , right now I still have the 2018 Vulcan S and the 2020 Z900abs, next week I’m picking up the 2022 zx6r for my birthday, but I know in the next few years when I start creeping up on the half century mark 🦖 🦕🦜, I’m going to be on these Indian’s 😎 , everyone that I see riding them tell me how much fun they have , and love riding them , makes me look forward to getting older , if that makes any sense lol 😂 🤪🤣 great video tho’ !!!👌👌👌✊✊✊
Thank you so much Allan for your kind words! It really means a lot! 🙏🙏 That's a badass stable of bikes you got there! Im working on growing my stable! One bike isn't enough! 😂
I was really worried that you were going side with Chief Darkhorse, because I have an Indian Scout Bobber and I brought because of you. Your Videos Convinced me to buy an Indian Scout Bobber 2021. I am Loving it. Even without Stage 1 Upgrade Bobber would have smoked Darkhorse. Again Brother Great Content and Great Video.
Bro, when I got that call… I couldn’t believe it! 😂😂 I Hope they don’t mind me doing these tests for scientific purposes 😅🤣. Thanks for watching brother! I appreciate your support!
Excellent video! I loved watching the head to head competition! I absolutely love my '16 Scout and will never let her go. Well until I am so old I can't ride anymore, then hopefully I can give it to one of my grandkids. I like my bike for its simple non tech ways. Tachometer and trip odometer are fancy enough for me, lol! Keeping it simple is the way to go, in my opinion. Keep on doing what you are doing! Ride and stay safe down there in big Texas!
Oh we all know which one I like better .... haha .... but then again, if they had the Chief back when I first bought my bobber I "may" have gotten the chief instead. But hell, now I have so much in modifications to my bobber in performance and comfort - there's NO WAY I'm getting rid of it soon. Now if Indian wants to "lend me something" for a while to get my point of view on I won't tell them no :-) ... good review brother.
Your Scout Bobber is one of a kind, looks sick and you’ve made it work for you! I couldn’t believe I had both bikes in my garage and it wasn’t even Indian Motorcycle who let me borrow the bike 😂 I would love that though! Maybe a Challenger 🙏🙏
i can decide. i know what to buy, but i have no money :)dude , realy , i`m not the bobber type of guy , but , cos of you , the bobbers have a chance . i love the passion you have for them ...and the passion you speak of them
Since Polaris picked up the Indian brand, I'm very curious as to how this 116 stacks up to the Freedom 106 in the later years of the Victory lineup. All the internet chatter I've seen says the 106 is better, but I haven't seen anyone do an actual side by side comparison. The race outcomes in your video don't really surprise me though as the Scout bobber is very similar to the 2017 Victory Octane. My brother had an Octane a few years ago, and we both came to the conclusion that the Octane was quicker than my Highball. The 100lbs weight difference in sure hugely factors into that. Great comparison of the two Indians, lots of us were curious as to how they compare in a heads up situation. Cheers!🍻😎
This is such a good video man. Thanks so much for the comparison these are EXACTLY the two bikes I'm trying to decide between now that I want to upgrade from my Rebel 500.
Have a 2016 scout. Best bike around town. Not so fun on long rides. You stop every 100mi to fill up. Stock seat isn't built for long butt time. Great to whip around and extremely quick. Don't enjoy the mad amounts of wind you get in the chest but like i said, it's not that kind of bike. I would take it over anything else though for what I like to do: whip around town, commute, and can still hang with the big boys on bike night.
The ONLY thing missing on the scout… a fuel gauge 😂 I wish mine had one. But I’ve gotten used to the trip being about 110 miles on the clock before that fuel light comes on. It’s usually around 3/4 gallon left in the tank from a 3.3g
I don’t know how but I have been going over 130 miles on my 21 scout bobber before my light comes on. I just recently put combat 2-1 exhaust on mine so I’m curious how it affects my mileage
I don't understand how as air-cooled engine that isn't built into thr frame design can be more expensive than the Scout. The Scout is just a much much more technologically advanced motorbike.
Maybe scout bobber comes in 2023 with touch screen and cruise control , it"ll be a perfect. Or just give a costumers a choice, like analog or digital version. Same with lights- halogen or adaptive led
Ricky! Like always the best movie :) Great editing, smooth review. I have ISB '19 and I love it! Got test ride on Chief... can agree torque is awesome, odometer features, cruisd control and ride modes (sport node rocks!) but... Scout Bobber is bigger head turner!
I'm surprised but I guess I shouldn't be. I have a Bobber 60 that is pretty much stock and I've run quite a few HDs with none beating me so far. The biggest I've run is a 107 that was allegedly a Stage 3 (some kind of glide?) with about a 20 mph rolling start. When he honked the horn, I was shocked by how far and how fast he fell back in my mirrors. He laughed afterwards and said he couldn't believe my rear tire was breaking loose as I shifted into 2nd and walked away from him on my "little Indian". Can't wait to run a 114 or 130, even if I do lose 🙂. Also, great video...the editing and quality are top notch! Long enough to enjoy and you get to the point, but not so long that people start to lose interest!
Payed € 17000,- for my Scout Bobber. The Chief is way more expensive so its not an option. Although my Scout does come with heated grips, cruise control and a Vance exhaust. I do love the looks of the Chief and would love to have that digital cluster, 17k was already above my budget☺️
I expected the dragrace to turn out like this already due to power to weight ratio. Engine torque at low RPMs can be a thing when going from stand still but isn´t really a thing as soon as the vehicle moves. It is more a thing of how broad the power band of the engine is. It also doesn´t quite matter where in the RPM range the power is, as long as the gear ratios and final drive ratio match the characteristics of the engine. At least as long as one is looking at performance only. Ones personal preferences of course are a thing too for deciding what bike to buy.
Great video! I can attest the Scout is a fast bike. Period. Ride with several people who own them and they are crazy fast. I dig the looks of the Chief and might consider it as a second bike for myself. Good job man!
5'5" I got the scout 60 and it is the perfect Bike for me! Love Indian all day long.💪🏻👍🏻💪🏻🇺🇸👍🏻💪🏻 74yrs old and still wearing out the rubber on the tires. Ride on until my last sunset 🤘💪🏻👍🏻🇺🇸💪🏻
What i like about the Scout and the hd softails it's that you don't have the exhaust line and the belt drive both on the same side, letting the other side a little bit unbalanced, "hollow"… same problem with old Sportsters evo, but that's just my take on design, so i like more the general aesthetics of the scout
Great video! I've had my Matt black std Scout from new in 2017 and I did consider the new Chief. But I think it'd be a 'side-grade' rather than an up-grade; I think I'd love it just as much but for different reasons. I'm 6'2" so a little more legroom would be useful, but I've never had problems with the standard Scout. Above all, I think I'd miss the mid-top end rush that you can only get with that liquid-cooled Scout engine. I love hunting down sportsbikes too much! I'm not so much of a gadget fan when it comes to bikes. On a car, I'll use Google Maps on my phone in preference to the latest inbuilt sat-nav, and mounting my phone on the bike for the few trips when I need sat-nav is no Biggie; I enjoy the old-skool approach of heading for the next town by following signs; more attention on the scenery. Cruise control would be good, though; would love to see that on the Scout. Above all, I wouldn't swap my std Scout's full-travel.suspension for the bine-shaking 2" on the Bobber - which is why I never bought one when they came out. Looks like I'll be keeping that '17 Scout for a while longer, then 😎 Thanks again for a great video 👍
I’m 6’0 so I think the bobber would be rough on my back. But I love the look of the bobber so much. What’s considered a long trip? I live in a small town about a hour from Reno. So I would love to do rides to Reno. Is a hour or two long?
This is a great question and I wish I had addressed it in the video... In my opinion, its worth it if you're going to be doing a lot of long trips and take full advantage of all those extra features. Thanks for the question and for watching!
Great video! I really like the chief dark horse. Just one question, does the cheif have good air conditioning for when its hot and muggy? Thanks again!
I was going to get the Chief Dark Horse but with this video, i have changed my mind. The Scout is going to be the one for me but, with the new scout 101 out, that’s probably the direction i will go.
The tank size and comfort of the Chief Dark Horse is a winner for me. I'd love to own a Scout, but I think I'd love the Chief Dark Horse more. I love my Kawasaki Vulcan 900 Custom but I really wish Kawasaki still had a larger displacement bare bones cruiser. My Vulcan is great for state highways but vibrates way too much at freeway speeds
I was told taller riders would benefit more from the more forward controls of the scout bobber, especially if they have mini apes. Do you agree or disagree?
Id rather get a softail standard if I would be buying an aircooled engine... but the scout bobber still is the best in terms of performance plus Iike the fatter 130/90 front tire of the scout bobber..
Indian has really upped their game, BEAUTIFUL bikes! Indian, Triumph and Royal Enfield are going to blow Harley Davidson out of the market. Harley is just bumping the prices up to cover warranties rather than fixing their quality problems.
I have 2023 vulcan 650s and ive been looking at darkhorse for next bike im future maybe few years..i love my vulcan 650s its strong for engine size and has 4 sec 0 to 60 but more more power esp at higher speeds be great and all that tech dark horse has but 18k for these things is sooo steep. Plus maintenance on them hmmm
So I bought a Scout Rogue, and next week I will have my 2-1 combat exhaust on it with the S&S air intake. I'm going to repeat it. There is no comparison in power. The Chief Dark Horse will absolutely destroy my Scout Rogue. I called you out a couple months ago and still am. I love your videos, but on this one, you are not being honest, bro. The rider on your race definitely can't ride and shift like me. I do have to say I love my scout Rogue. Next year I will buy the 2023 Challenger. I live in Las Vegas. Let's race
The Indian Chief Bobber seems to be awesome! But we do have much traffic jams and riding between the cars is not always possible. So I think an air cooled bike wouldn't be the right one for me.
Indian markets these at different buyers. Air cooled doesn’t equate to torque. It’s the additional displacement and cylinder design is what produces high torque.
That was the plan but since it was so one sided we didn’t think it was necessary. Wish we would’ve though… P.S. He’s a way better rider than I am. That was my 1st time “drag racing”
Air cooled vs liquid cooled doesn’t really have much to do with torque output. It’s about the piston geometry. The scout is running a fatter piston with a shorter stroke which allows for more RPM’s and horsepower, the chief is running a narrower piston with a longer stroke. Creating more low rpm torque but with limited rpm ceiling.
One being air cooled and the other liquid are just necessities based around those motor geometries, higher rpm motors need more cooling because they produce more heat. Low rpm, long stroke motors can get by with air cooling
That’s fascinating! Thanks for sharing!
@@RickyNotSoMartin if your interested in learning about this I suggest checking this out.
th-cam.com/video/-ooue7i73zo/w-d-xo.html
Most of this also applies with the scout vs chief comparison
@@cowmath77 That is true. But my point is that air cooled versus liquid cooled is correlation, not causation to power output.
Did you actually read my comment?
@@cowmath77 But here’s the problem. It’s about educating people on a misconception. The cooling mechanism is not what “makes“ the Power. It is a byproduct of how the power is being made. You can in theory make a short stroke High compression motor that will rev to 17,000 RPM. That is air cooled. And that motor will make the same amount of power as the liquid cooled version. The only real difference being the air cooled one is going to overheat causing plenty of damage to itself. Making it a very unreliable platform. The purpose of my comment was to point out the actual causation of the Power. which is what the vast majority of people get wrong. I 100% agree that it’s a chicken egg situation. Because a reliable high revving motor. Typically won’t be built without liquid cooling. But that’s not the point. The point is to educate people who don’t understand how it actually works.
@@cowmath77liquid cooled can do everything an air cooled can, but not vice versa
The way the scout looks its charming, i definitely go with the scout no matter what, if Indian would bring those chief's features to the scout like cruise control or that display they will improve their sales a lot. Grande Ricky!.
absolutely! touch display and cruise control on Scout Bobber INSTANT BUY
Gahh I feel like they won’t do that cause nobody will buy any other bike 😂
@@p_owlow Not true. Taller people like me or wanting 2 up will go with the CDH like I did. I went in for the scout and left with the CDH.
agree . is like when you fall in love in the first sight. even if chief looks better ,you will still love more scout no matter what.
Atleast make it an optional extra at the very least
Anwser is the Scout Rogue! Got mine last week and maaaaaan I love that machine!
I think the scout bobber is the hottest bike on the market right now, I was hoping to get that GPS feature on it in the near future like the chief has
Seeing this video makes me more excited to get my chief. It's the exact model I ordered. I got rid of my scout bobber 60 a few months ago. I'm hoping I'll get my new chief in the next month or two. It's insane people waiting five to six months for their orders. It was a great video keep up the good content my Boricua brother!
@SGT Barnes have you done any upgrades to the chief? I bought already accessories. Passenger seat, pegs, mini ape handlebars, dean speed slip-ons, sissy bar, crash bars, handlebar bag, and high flow intake. Some of the parts are in my garage. It's just waiting to be put on. How long did it take to get your Chief?
@whitebeltchamp1 Thank you so much!! And yea... it's crazy supply chains are everywhere. I ordered a camera and its going to be a few months before I get it... Some things are worth waiting for though... that bike will not disappoint! Damn... you went crazy with all those accesories! You'll be ready to go!
@sgt Barnes Thanks for watching and for sharing your experience!
I was first smitten with the Bobber after watching all those silly Progressive Insurance commercials. I ordered a 2021 Scout Bobber ABS in maroon metallic smoke in August and she didn't arrive until late January. Classy ladies always make gentlemen wait, but it was well worth it!😍
@SGT Barnes Comedian Daniel Tosh once asked "Ever see a sad person on a wave runner??? Have you??? I dare you to try and frown while you're on a wave runner!" Well, thank goodness my reflective visor hides my toothy, goofy grin!😁
I just got the chief bobber dh love it
Very nice real world look at both of these bikes. I'm a big fan of what Indian is doing, I've been eyeballing that scout for a while. It's time to pull the trigger.
Great comparison Ricky. Just a thought….I bit the bullet and ordered the McCruise electronic cruise control for my Scout Bobber and it was a game changer. As far as mods, it’s right up there with the Corbin seat. On the highway and on trips the cruise control has been flawless and has really made those rides a breeze.
This is the first of your videos I've seen. I'll definitely check out more. Just wanted to say - kudos on your review style.
As a newer rider, i really appreciate your attention to and explanation of a lot of these details. Keep up the good work, brother
Love those Indian motorcycles!
They just keep getting better and better 👍
I have a Scout and a Springfield, so I feel fully covered. I'm also an old man. Great video.
I’m always watching bike stuff as we near Spring. Enjoyed the content, especially the 0-60 ‘comparison’. I’ll never get tired of doing that!
+1 on the heavier bike for long distance or even all day riding. The bigger my bikes got, the less I felt beat up.
Do I need a smaller commuter, no. But it sure is great to see new bobber offerings! I’ve always had a fondness for bobbers and have yet to scratch that itch.
Really nice review, makes me want both lol. Since I live in Dallas/Fort Worth with lots of traffic and Texas heat I like the liquid cooled and smaller Scout Bobber. Either way, Indian is hitting home runs with these bikes.
That makes sense! And I agree, Indian Motorcycle is putting out some badass bikes! Thanks for watching!
I don’t even have to think about mounting a phone on my Indian chief thanks to the Ride Command which I think is very valuable. Don’t have to worry about a radiator, hoses, pump, or coolant changes. Better for me because I like to do long rides so I slapped a fat wind screen on it and some bags and I can go riding all day on a Corbin seat and I am happy loving it enjoying it. Think I want to ride to Alaska from Southern California on my Chief.
Those are really good points! Thanks for sharing that info with us! That sounds like a hell of a trip! The PCH is high on my bucket list rides. Are you riding there and back? I’ve heard riding it from N to S is the way to go because you’re always on the side of the road by the ocean.
@@RickyNotSoMartin I heard the same thing so I was thinking taking an inland trip north and then the ocean view back south because I wanna be able to see more while I’m on the trip anyway, I’d rather see different scenery both ways.
On another note Stage two is illegal in California so I took a road trip to Las Vegas about 300 miles from where I am on my chief and it was super fun! Now I’m one of the very few stage twos out here and that combined with a dean speed exhaust my bike sounds bad ass! I’ve spent almost 9K decking out my Chief and love it! Anytime I have a nice weekend I will spend a Saturday or Sunday riding a few hundred miles round-trip and I’ve really gotten to know the geography of Southern California. It’s been a blast owning the bike so far . The scout is a great bike but I don’t think it would fit what I used this hobby for, hopefully my comment helps someone decide. Your original chief review helped sway me in Chief direction so thank you Ricky!
That’s freaking awesome! 🙏🙏 I’m glad my video helped! And yea, if you’re putting down miles like that, the Chief is the way to go for sure! I can’t wait to get something more suited for long trips and start seeing more of this beautiful country!
Did a road trip in the car up through central Nevada a few years back and it was beautiful. Granted mid January was cold and weather was less than idea for a bike but most of the drive was screensaver worthy
Hopefully more chief dark horse vids to come in the future, great vid!
I just bought the same bobber (2020) as a fun bike to ride around my area with. I have such a blast with it. My other bike is a 2015 Victory CrossCountry. I love that bike and riding it until I need to retire it. The Vic is my road-trip comfort bike. The scout is my Sunday bike lol.
I ended up going with the Super Chief Limited. I loved the 116 engine and the touchscreen of the dark horse/limited trim, but that Chrome engine, windscreen, saddlebags, and floorboards included in the super chief limited trim put me over the edge.
Awesome intro. Ordered my DH last week. Bro you’ve come along way. Keep it up!
Awesome! Congrats! Welcome to the family! I appreciate your kind words! Thank you!
Did you receive it already? And if so how long did u wait?
Greetings from Germany I really enjoy your content keep up with what your doing!
Hey! Greetings from Texas! Thank you for watching and your support!
I don’t have a bike, and my wife has shot down the idea of getting one… however I do enjoy your videos. Great work!
Tell her you are going to wear a helite turtle three vest and show her a video by a TH-camr called fortnine maybe she will change her mind… I wear one and get called Gay but you know what my job depends on me not getting hurt so hopefully it’ll help out if anything bad ever happens. riding is dangerous but I have great memories not possible without it.
Live life to the fullest and cross your fingers!
13y ago my wife told me than we can Sell Our car and get a motorcycle, at first moment I thought, bikes are dsngerous and I don't know How to drive a big motorcycle, We did It... And now we are very happy whit our motorcycle, we enjoy rides and chill Time together... Mr Joel whit all my respects I Recommend to you Buy a motorcycle and enjoy The Road whit His wife Like passenger... Time never come back, and may be later you can regrets for don't do It...
I hope you can understand muy english, 'cause I'm learning, I'm Mexican trying ti learn your language...
Saludos desde SINALOA
That means a lot Joel!! I’m glad you enjoy my videos! Maybe try to convince her to take a motorcycle safety course and see how she feels about it afterwards?
I’m a huge fan of Fortnine Naythan! Great recommendation!
Love hearing stories like that Paul! Thanks for sharing!
You can’t be scared and a beta all of your life.
@Game Time with Jc 'Cause In Mexico Is very expensive to have a car...
Bad roads, too Much traffic and gasoline price Is very high .
So... For economy, fast transport and The principal thing Is than After 15y riding Now I love Motorcycles...
We can Buy a car but honestly we Don't like cars.
My wife and me, we love Bikes.
In a strange way I actually prefer the old school “no frills” speedometer… the display on the dark horse is badass but I feel it diminishes the soul of the bike
I was 100% thinking the same thing. Too bad they don't try to give an old-school appearance to this tech on a bike. Imagine that thing having an old-school look with modern features once you start engaging it. I think that would be best of both worlds
That is strange only because the digital is better in everyway. If I Had a clmplaint about it, its that it forced me to read the owners manual.
Dude that video is 🔥🔥🔥 stop fighting yourself. Hopefully we get to see the next one soon!!!!🔥🔥🔥👍🏾👍🏾
Muchas gracias papito! More to come!
Great comparison ✊ I know we are all (at least I am and from what I’ve read in the comment section) appreciating the top notch content and how you present your unbiased feedback , and give it to us straight 🆙, with no BS , A huge thank you 🙏 🙏🙏
When I’m satisfied with my super sport / hyper sport naked bike phase , I’m definitely going to be getting both the Scout Bobber and the Chief , right now I still have the 2018 Vulcan S and the 2020 Z900abs, next week I’m picking up the 2022 zx6r for my birthday, but I know in the next few years when I start creeping up on the half century mark 🦖 🦕🦜, I’m going to be on these Indian’s 😎 , everyone that I see riding them tell me how much fun they have , and love riding them , makes me look forward to getting older , if that makes any sense lol 😂 🤪🤣 great video tho’ !!!👌👌👌✊✊✊
Thank you so much Allan for your kind words! It really means a lot! 🙏🙏 That's a badass stable of bikes you got there! Im working on growing my stable! One bike isn't enough! 😂
I was really worried that you were going side with Chief Darkhorse, because I have an Indian Scout Bobber and I brought because of you.
Your Videos Convinced me to buy an Indian Scout Bobber 2021. I am Loving it. Even without Stage 1 Upgrade Bobber would have smoked Darkhorse. Again Brother Great Content and Great Video.
Love reading this! That's awesome! Glad I could help!
I think there was a disparity of skill between the two riders. The guy on the scout is a little more aggressive and has more experience.
Was eagerly waiting for this comparison video and you nailed it again.. Brilliantly done brother! You rock man..
Thank you PDS! I appreciate your kind words! 🙏🙏 I’m glad you liked it!
Mr. Ricky I love your reviews please don't stop what you doing👍👍👊👊
Thank you Robert! That means a lot! 🙏🙏 Expect a lot more from me this year! 💪💪
Ricky, this is such a good video! I’m about to binge all your content!
Bro, I want next!!! Great video!!!! Let's go!!! Great bikes
Bro, when I got that call… I couldn’t believe it! 😂😂 I Hope they don’t mind me doing these tests for scientific purposes 😅🤣. Thanks for watching brother! I appreciate your support!
@@RickyNotSoMartin, what happens in Mex is all fun and games!!
The dark horse looks so much better than the scout imo. I'd really like to see one with mods. T bars, suspension, engine upgrades.
Stage 2 cams with aftermarket exhaust system/slip ons. That should be enough for the avg enthusiast. Oh and replace the seat.
Sounds way better and a lot more torque
I LOVE the chief dark horse
Good on you man, great video!!!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent video! I loved watching the head to head competition! I absolutely love my '16 Scout and will never let her go. Well until I am so old I can't ride anymore, then hopefully I can give it to one of my grandkids. I like my bike for its simple non tech ways. Tachometer and trip odometer are fancy enough for me, lol! Keeping it simple is the way to go, in my opinion. Keep on doing what you are doing! Ride and stay safe down there in big Texas!
Glad you enjoyed it! & thanks for watching! I only wish the Scout had cruise control! That's what I miss the most!
Oh we all know which one I like better .... haha .... but then again, if they had the Chief back when I first bought my bobber I "may" have gotten the chief instead. But hell, now I have so much in modifications to my bobber in performance and comfort - there's NO WAY I'm getting rid of it soon. Now if Indian wants to "lend me something" for a while to get my point of view on I won't tell them no :-) ... good review brother.
Your Scout Bobber is one of a kind, looks sick and you’ve made it work for you! I couldn’t believe I had both bikes in my garage and it wasn’t even Indian Motorcycle who let me borrow the bike 😂 I would love that though! Maybe a Challenger 🙏🙏
Thanks for the thorough analysis. You killed it.
i can decide. i know what to buy, but i have no money :)dude , realy , i`m not the bobber type of guy , but , cos of you , the bobbers have a chance . i love the passion you have for them ...and the passion you speak of them
Since Polaris picked up the Indian brand, I'm very curious as to how this 116 stacks up to the Freedom 106 in the later years of the Victory lineup. All the internet chatter I've seen says the 106 is better, but I haven't seen anyone do an actual side by side comparison. The race outcomes in your video don't really surprise me though as the Scout bobber is very similar to the 2017 Victory Octane. My brother had an Octane a few years ago, and we both came to the conclusion that the Octane was quicker than my Highball. The 100lbs weight difference in sure hugely factors into that. Great comparison of the two Indians, lots of us were curious as to how they compare in a heads up situation. Cheers!🍻😎
That would be a very interesting comparison and I would love to see it too! Thanks for watching!
This is such a good video man. Thanks so much for the comparison these are EXACTLY the two bikes I'm trying to decide between now that I want to upgrade from my Rebel 500.
Glad you enjoyed it and that I could help! I appreciate you watching!
the scout bobber or rogue with the digital screen would be game changing
Ricky , another great video !!!! Really enjoyed it , Thankyou and Greqt job!!!👍
Have a 2016 scout. Best bike around town. Not so fun on long rides. You stop every 100mi to fill up. Stock seat isn't built for long butt time. Great to whip around and extremely quick. Don't enjoy the mad amounts of wind you get in the chest but like i said, it's not that kind of bike. I would take it over anything else though for what I like to do: whip around town, commute, and can still hang with the big boys on bike night.
Great comparison video of these two bikes!
The ONLY thing missing on the scout… a fuel gauge 😂 I wish mine had one. But I’ve gotten used to the trip being about 110 miles on the clock before that fuel light comes on. It’s usually around 3/4 gallon left in the tank from a 3.3g
I have a 2016 scout. Pretty much the same I experience. I go 100 miles and then think about a gas station with same amount left in the tank as you.
I don’t know how but I have been going over 130 miles on my 21 scout bobber before my light comes on. I just recently put combat 2-1 exhaust on mine so I’m curious how it affects my mileage
It’s such a strange thing to not include, hopefully they add one at some point
I don't understand how as air-cooled engine that isn't built into thr frame design can be more expensive than the Scout. The Scout is just a much much more technologically advanced motorbike.
Maybe scout bobber comes in 2023 with touch screen and cruise control , it"ll be a perfect. Or just give a costumers a choice, like analog or digital version. Same with lights- halogen or adaptive led
Ricky! Like always the best movie :) Great editing, smooth review. I have ISB '19 and I love it! Got test ride on Chief... can agree torque is awesome, odometer features, cruisd control and ride modes (sport node rocks!) but... Scout Bobber is bigger head turner!
Thank you so much! I appreciate your support and kind words! 🙏🙏 and yes, the ISB is so beautiful! 😍😍
This video was so helpful. Thank you so much for posting.
Great video. Nicely done!
I'm surprised but I guess I shouldn't be. I have a Bobber 60 that is pretty much stock and I've run quite a few HDs with none beating me so far. The biggest I've run is a 107 that was allegedly a Stage 3 (some kind of glide?) with about a 20 mph rolling start. When he honked the horn, I was shocked by how far and how fast he fell back in my mirrors. He laughed afterwards and said he couldn't believe my rear tire was breaking loose as I shifted into 2nd and walked away from him on my "little Indian". Can't wait to run a 114 or 130, even if I do lose 🙂. Also, great video...the editing and quality are top notch! Long enough to enjoy and you get to the point, but not so long that people start to lose interest!
Payed € 17000,- for my Scout Bobber. The Chief is way more expensive so its not an option. Although my Scout does come with heated grips, cruise control and a Vance exhaust. I do love the looks of the Chief and would love to have that digital cluster, 17k was already above my budget☺️
5:41 this shot did it for me that actually looks sick
Great video man - subbed!
Thank you Ghost! Welcome to the family!
Excellent content mate. Great great knowledge
I expected the dragrace to turn out like this already due to power to weight ratio. Engine torque at low RPMs can be a thing when going from stand still but isn´t really a thing as soon as the vehicle moves. It is more a thing of how broad the power band of the engine is. It also doesn´t quite matter where in the RPM range the power is, as long as the gear ratios and final drive ratio match the characteristics of the engine. At least as long as one is looking at performance only. Ones personal preferences of course are a thing too for deciding what bike to buy.
Why blur your speedometer at certain times?
He didn’t want people to comment on when he shifts lol it’s all you see on TH-cam in videos like these
They've got to start putting that digial guage and some of those features on the Scout.
Great video! I can attest the Scout is a fast bike. Period. Ride with several people who own them and they are crazy fast. I dig the looks of the Chief and might consider it as a second bike for myself. Good job man!
Thank you Big Smitty! That means a lot! 🙏🙏 It’s a badass bike and it sounds so beautiful when you throw an exhaust on it 😍😍
5'5" I got the scout 60 and it is the perfect Bike for me! Love Indian all day long.💪🏻👍🏻💪🏻🇺🇸👍🏻💪🏻 74yrs old and still wearing out the rubber on the tires. Ride on until my last sunset 🤘💪🏻👍🏻🇺🇸💪🏻
Right on! That's awesome! Thanks for sharing your experience with us and I hope Im still riding at 74! So inspiring!
What i like about the Scout and the hd softails it's that you don't have the exhaust line and the belt drive both on the same side, letting the other side a little bit unbalanced, "hollow"… same problem with old Sportsters evo, but that's just my take on design, so i like more the general aesthetics of the scout
Nice review. I owned 2015 Scout, and know I have 2022 Indian Cheif dark horse.
Was the clutch slipping on the bobber? Or was u ridding the clutch? the lil bobber is a absolute monster if done right.
It was definitely slipping! 9:10 Thanks for watching!
Great video!
I've had my Matt black std Scout from new in 2017 and I did consider the new Chief.
But I think it'd be a 'side-grade' rather than an up-grade; I think I'd love it just as much but for different reasons.
I'm 6'2" so a little more legroom would be useful, but I've never had problems with the standard Scout.
Above all, I think I'd miss the mid-top end rush that you can only get with that liquid-cooled Scout engine. I love hunting down sportsbikes too much!
I'm not so much of a gadget fan when it comes to bikes. On a car, I'll use Google Maps on my phone in preference to the latest inbuilt sat-nav, and mounting my phone on the bike for the few trips when I need sat-nav is no Biggie; I enjoy the old-skool approach of heading for the next town by following signs; more attention on the scenery.
Cruise control would be good, though; would love to see that on the Scout.
Above all, I wouldn't swap my std Scout's full-travel.suspension for the bine-shaking 2" on the Bobber - which is why I never bought one when they came out.
Looks like I'll be keeping that '17 Scout for a while longer, then 😎
Thanks again for a great video 👍
And you should. I have a 2022 DH and just bought the scout Rogue. There is no comparison in power and that is FACT.
I’m 6’0 so I think the bobber would be rough on my back. But I love the look of the bobber so much. What’s considered a long trip? I live in a small town about a hour from Reno. So I would love to do rides to Reno. Is a hour or two long?
Do you feel there is enough benefit from the extras (cruise control, display, ride modes) to comp for that 17k price tag, vs the scout?
This is a great question and I wish I had addressed it in the video... In my opinion, its worth it if you're going to be doing a lot of long trips and take full advantage of all those extra features. Thanks for the question and for watching!
@@RickyNotSoMartin thanks! Put a down payment on the chief, your videos really helped!
Thank you for the video dude. Very helpful.
Great video! I really like the chief dark horse. Just one question, does the cheif have good air conditioning for when its hot and muggy? Thanks again!
Great comparison! I just subscribed. 🙏
Great video bro, 🙏🏾
I was going to get the Chief Dark Horse but with this video, i have changed my mind. The Scout is going to be the one for me but, with the new scout 101 out, that’s probably the direction i will go.
The tank size and comfort of the Chief Dark Horse is a winner for me. I'd love to own a Scout, but I think I'd love the Chief Dark Horse more. I love my Kawasaki Vulcan 900 Custom but I really wish Kawasaki still had a larger displacement bare bones cruiser. My Vulcan is great for state highways but vibrates way too much at freeway speeds
Yeah, good thing for us, we have both!
Having both in the garage was so much fun! Someday...
@@RickyNotSoMartin such a different ride dynamic between them, but each fantastic!
En Colombia, anhelamos que lleguen pronto. La Marca esta por encima de HD
Easy decision.....I want both!!!!🏍️
If the scout came with cruise control (or at least the option to add it) then I wouldn't even look at a chief.
There's after market cruise control but its a pretty big device you have to add to the handlebar... Im not the biggest fan because of that.
The scout is a superior Bike, But the supension and the features need a upgrade to compete with the darkhorse on user experience
Is the exhaust after market ? I went on their website and couldn’t find that option
Great video!
I was told taller riders would benefit more from the more forward controls of the scout bobber, especially if they have mini apes. Do you agree or disagree?
I really like the looks of the Scout Bobber but I'm a sucker for big engines.. Wish they'd put the 116 in the Scout-frame! :(
Should I get one of these? Or should i get the Honda rebel 1100 dct??
Indian Scout Bobber all the way baby!
Id rather get a softail standard if I would be buying an aircooled engine... but the scout bobber still is the best in terms of performance plus Iike the fatter 130/90 front tire of the scout bobber..
Thanks for watching!
I have a pursuit I’m thinking the scout would be perfect for my 2nd around town bike
Yo Rick, would love a chilled beer some time but I’m in the UK 😜Great content.
Idk why but something sounds off on the drag race. Might be the camera, but seems like the rpms are hanging a bit.
My clutch was slipping pretty bad 9:10
Indian has really upped their game, BEAUTIFUL bikes!
Indian, Triumph and Royal Enfield are going to blow Harley Davidson out of the market. Harley is just bumping the prices up to cover warranties rather than fixing their quality problems.
Awesome video Ricky I made my decision
Thank you Jose! I’m glad you liked it! I’m curious; what did you decide?
Do you think you would be able to find a big bore scout and a big bore chief and try this again?
Did you use sport mode in the Chief??
Nice review, thank u. Greetings from Germany
Great info
Thanks very much
I have 2023 vulcan 650s and ive been looking at darkhorse for next bike im future maybe few years..i love my vulcan 650s its strong for engine size and has 4 sec 0 to 60 but more more power esp at higher speeds be great and all that tech dark horse has but 18k for these things is sooo steep. Plus maintenance on them hmmm
What is that helmet you’re wearing in the intro? The one with the goggles?
So I bought a Scout Rogue, and next week I will have my 2-1 combat exhaust on it with the S&S air intake. I'm going to repeat it. There is no comparison in power. The Chief Dark Horse will absolutely destroy my Scout Rogue. I called you out a couple months ago and still am. I love your videos, but on this one, you are not being honest, bro. The rider on your race definitely can't ride and shift like me. I do have to say I love my scout Rogue. Next year I will buy the 2023 Challenger. I live in Las Vegas. Let's race
The Indian Chief Bobber seems to be awesome! But we do have much traffic jams and riding between the cars is not always possible. So I think an air cooled bike wouldn't be the right one for me.
Why did you shift the bobber so much before redline?
Nice sleds! Seems like you get more bike with an Indian vs Harley. Any Harley wobble?
12:07 we need a picture of you like that on your gram ! Looking sick on the bobber
Hey Jules! Nice to see you over here on TH-cam! That's a good idea actually! I'm going to do that!
Indian markets these at different buyers. Air cooled doesn’t equate to torque. It’s the additional displacement and cylinder design is what produces high torque.
Look like tire spin since you were riding the on the center stripes.
I chose the air cooled one since I’m used to run long trips!!!
So much of racing is the person doing the racing. I would've really liked to see if the results were the same if you switched bikes.
That was the plan but since it was so one sided we didn’t think it was necessary. Wish we would’ve though… P.S. He’s a way better rider than I am. That was my 1st time “drag racing”
I just wish Indian make a scout bobber with touch screen display and cruise control, maybe even air cool version