@@suzyrottencrotch5132 It wasnt "stolen", it was fought over and the Mexicans lost. Thats called "war", and every single race, country and culture has done it to get what they wanted. Or is this one of those "white people do it, therefore its racist" stupid arguments where you conveniently forget that other races have done the exact same thing since the dawn of Humanity? Hell, the very things you complain about are actually happening as we speak, but because its happening in Africa and the middle east and you cant blame white people, you just pretend it doesnt exist. Go back to Twitter where you belong, troglodyte.
As long as the government stays involved with our market, it will never truly be free. I don't see how more legislation is supposed to promote a better marketplace. If anything, it's going to hurt people like me who want to make cool open source products for all of you, but are struggling to wrap their head around the current pile of legislation. You're an absolute fool if you think the government will make right to repair simple and easy to comply with. I love the idea of releasing the source to all of the stuff I want to sell, but it would severely limit creativity and resources if I have to do it in a super specific way. It's going to be a nightmare for small business.
You should create a "right to repair" jigsaw puzzle. Team up with EEVBlog to design a simple schematic, print that onto a jigsaw puzzle, then package & sell them all with a single piece missing. Once right to repair passes you can then start selling people the missing pieces.
When he brought up Marijuana I remembered a legit ad on a public radio for an attorney telling people to get arrested for Marijuana possession and to call him.
I remember when my local radio shack went out of business. My grandpa was upset, I was only a little kid but now I understand how important those stores are. Now it's a fuckin dollar general.
I have never donated before, but it just happened, because I trust you. Hopefully your achievements will spread to the rest of the world, much love from Europe
When I was becoming computer science engineer I recall the breakup of AT&T was quite dramatic because AT&T had the monopoly that Apple is attempting to foist upon us. It's the same legal argument as when AT&T was trying to prevent a guy from using an adapter to plug his phone into that he did not buy from AT&T. The lawsuit was landmark but AT&T's monopoly was overturned at that moment. Upon winning the lawsuit it still took several years for AT&T to be broken up over this but it was the basis of the same bullshit that you're fighting now. I think you need different or better lawyers as the one's that have been handling this lately appear to be on the side of Apple because they are not insisting that this was already resolved and that there is no material difference. The lawyers on the side of the public are throwing this away to big corporate media. We need to stick to the law that is already in place & bust up the Apple antitrust behaviors. We should have better laws by now, that not only do not erode our rights like your challenge to Apple has resulted in, but where we don't have to constantly fight corporate overreach in beating the government with fancy lawyers, purchased politicians, & corrupt process clerks & other entities on the administrative offices of the government that are removing our rights faster than you can say "China Sucks".
@@ChiDraconis Stop writing to me. You clearly neither understand nor do you respond with anything that makes sense. I don't know what language you are translating from. The machine you are using to translate is spewing English words but it comes out all nonsense. Don't waste your time on this. It's not working. Probably you're a bot that was badly designed.
Louis, make sure to talk about the gofundme at the start of your videos. As you might know a lot of people do not watch videos to the end, so having it at the start will significantly increase the number of people, who will see it. I know that it might seem a little obnoxious having it at the start, but it's for a good cause, so I believe people won't mind it :)
Just a quick it's me & I need your help in supporting right to repair. Follow this link or listen to the end of the video for more information. Or so on. Might add a little support RtoR link in a corner of the screen too.
Same thing for advertising anything. Get it out the way at the start then we can enjoy the video to conclusion without interruption or whatever. Gives a better experience overall doing the message first
13:02 - 14:38 When I found your channel a few years back, learning that electronics repair was possible and actually learning how to do it inspired me, and I considered starting a repair business myself. But the lack of supply chain for the components and schematics really put me off. I'm one of those who said screw that, I'm going to get a real job instead.
I did repairs in high school fixing game systems and computers. Back in 2001, till about 2006. After seeing the none supported back then. I gave up on my repair company and moved into college. To go into engineering. Now I develop products and I refuse to work for companies that don't support repair!
Hi used to work for General Electric Medical Systems and after 13 years of being a field service technician, I went independent to to provide third-party service on Nuclear Gamma Camera’s. I ran into a situation that I was not able to purchase a replacement power supply from a company because General Electric had given an edict that they could not sell that power supply to anyone but General Electric. But luckily an agent at the company found a workaround that if I could provide a defective power supply that they could repair it and send it to me. Because I provided 24 hour turnaround service I was luckily able to buy some defective power supplies to have repaired and held in stock to provide my 24 hour service.
Simply put, I paid for it, its mine. If I want to repair it myself, nobody should have the right to tell me "no". But, the powers that be seem Hell bent on insisting that they micro-manage every aspect of my life "for my own good". Yeah, no thanks. People that feel the need to lie about everything cant (and shouldnt) be trusted with anything. Thank you, Louis, for everything that you do.
Until recently, PSA (Peugeot car manufacturer) would supply the customer the PIN-code required to program keys if he could prove ownership. However, now they changed the policy, making the customer actually show up with the car at the dealer (which can be a problem if you don't have the PIN-code and hence no key). Once the car arrives at the dealer, more often than not they try to convince the owner that it is impossible for a non-dealer to program a new key (which is BS) and that they should buy a new key at the dealer. There are ways to read the PIN-code from the car, so specialist car locksmiths don't care. I think they should, because it will only get worse in the future. Additionally, this encourages more devices to be created that will also allow thieves to program a key to a car.
When I was listening to the part about having to scrap a charger because you needed to steal a chip, and that it was illegal for people at recycling centers to pull parts for resale, I immediately thought if this is a problem, this is a situation that needs to be changed, possibly as part of right to repair. I hadn't even considered that the recycling center didn't have a conveyor belt with people pulling possibly re-usable items for refurbishment. I have 3 real-world examples of similar situations, I'm sure other commenters may have more Junk Yards - go to the pile of lamps (example item) and pick out 2 or 3 you want to make a new lamp out of and pay at the door. Automotive junk yards - There are multiple types of places I know of to dispose of an old car. Scrapyards - remove the tires, oil (maybe more) and put the car in a crusher. Even the tires MAY go to a used-tire processor who either sells them as used or puts them into a shredder depending on treadwear. This is close to the recycler model as described. U-Pull-A-Part - Mechanic goes over the vehicle and if they see anything high-demand, they pull it and either put it directly up for sale as used or send it off for refurbishment. Some get it back for their shop for resale as refurbished or it goes to a warehouse/reseller. The rest of the vehicle is then put on the yard for customers to pick-over and pull any part they want then pay for that part on the way out. The customer even has to supply his own tools to do it. As new vehicles come in, the yard manager decides which old vehicles aren't worth keeping on the lot so a new vehicle can take it's spot. At this point, the vehicles then get looked-over by a crew and anything they deem worth their time is removed before it goes to the crusher. This is a similar model to how I would like to see electronics recycling, other than having measures in the chain for data wiping. Home Demolition Straight Demolition - Crew removes power, water, and anything not bolted down before they run the bulldozer through. Even here appliances often make it to the refurbishment market in whole or in parts Restoration Hardware - Recycling companies specifically hired who promise to go through the structure with a fine-tooth comb and pull every hinge, doorknob, door, cabinets, etc. There are even lumberyards specializing in re-selling the 2x4s, siding, flooring etc from these tear-downs. Sending something to the shredder only happens with these for parts that are absolutely not usable to anyone or an economic return is infeasible. This is where e-cycing should be. Companies would have databases of parts of value, so when you see a macbook go by the first sorter on the conveyor belt, you know whether that model has parts worth additional resources to separate and resale. They'll still get the gold from the motherboard, just not until after that motherboard has been stripped for it's individual chips or after it's actual useful life.
I recently broke my own keyboard. One of the connections do not respond to a key press and its because I soldered the PCB for long and burned it. I thought calling Ducky for a replacement PCB would be ok since they probably have extras. Got a response saying that they don't...so now I just have a scuffed keyboard. I'm just frustrated that they don't even have extra for sell or a repair service. I'm sure they have a reason but just made no sense and needed to rant.
The public has made it clear that they are more than happy settling with 'adequate' - the manufacturers have simply responded to that, and taken advantage of that. This should be common sense, I can't believe that we have to actually fight for this.
Great idea with these videos, whenever I tell people about right to repair they often question why that would be a problem - and with the answers being very technical people does not always understand why it would be a problem :/
*Reads title* I immediately remembered Last Week Tonight's piece on Equal Rights Amendment and how despite it not being part of the Constitution, many of us believe it does exist.
Right to repair is inherent in everything, as far I'm concerned. To that end whenever I buy anything, automobile, TV, radio whatever, if it will need servicing at some point, I always make sure the "factory service manual and all schematics" are part of the purchase agreement. If the company won't supply them as part of the deal, I just don't buy their product. The more people start demanding this information and walking away if they don't get it, the better.
This is great and all that, but you're really preaching to the choir here. What we need are some simple, straight-to-the-point videos to raise awareness of what Apple is doing to customers. Using cars as an example of R2R is something that normal people can relate to and I would highly recommend that as a starting point. I'm an educational professional and your explanations are far too technical for laypeople (i.e.: voters), and we need them on our side.
@@ChiDraconis Yes, and? You sound like someone who's only interested in blowing themselves over how much they know. Whether you find his explanations overly simplified has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with how the average voter will perceive this content. Delete your comment and stop posting because you're bringing zero value to the discussion.
Right to repair is so much deeper than having repair shops. It's the ease that stuff can be repaired. Today I fixed my kettle but he job was made difficult by the fact although the parts are commonly available I need to open it up to get the part number and buy a special bit set because, they used a special anti tamper screw. Why? To detour home repair.
Louis, I would coach this in terms of How abiltiy to repair is being taken away. For example if like lcd panel are being locked to hardware, ask what if the windshield of your car now had a chip it where now only the dealership could replace your windshield. When he says that crazy, point out how it has already happen to farmers. The bigger problem I see is when see if a company ( buys the design or develops in house ) for all their chips, then they have a lock.
Another thing is that if repair shops become more common, which they will after rtr passes, than the manufactures need to offer a better service so they stay in the repair market. I recently bought a new monitor from Acer, it not only was delayed because happend in the warehouse, but it also arrived with a hardware issue that causes weird red lines every 5pixels or so. If there was a repair shop in my town, they could have fixed it in a week or so. Acers repair service just send me an email telling me that they will now beginn the repair process ...the monitor (according to the delivery service) arrived there eight days go... Their advertised repair time is 8-10 days + 4-5 days for shipping it back to me and we have an estimated total time from when I placed my order to the Arrival of a working product of 38-41 days. 38 long days where I had and still have to use my art tablet as a gaming monitor.
I'm not a repair shop. I just like to tinker. I have an LG V30. After about a year the charge port started to go. 6 months later I could no longer charge my phone. Now, I do typically fix my own stuff. Went online and found the charge port on this phone is on a separate board (yay!) So I bought a new one for 6 bucks, bought a new battery while I was at it, and with the help of a heat gun (or in my case a butane torch, since I couldn't find my heat gun) I warmed up the back, peeled it off and replaced my parts. Put on me adhesive tape and it's good as new. Total cost? About 35 bucks. My last phone did not have the port on a separate board. Would had to have been desoldered, and I don't have the equipment for that kind of finely detailed work. So I couldn't fix it. But I'll tell you, I do my homework now and make sure these parts are replaceable before I purchase!
Your monolog reminded me of a great book, I've read a little while ago. Mark-Uwe Kling: Qualityland, a Scifi, where there is a prohibition on repair, and an compamy algorythm provides you with the new tech, you don't know that you wanted...
If possible, we should also make these companies post repair tutorials like your videos. Just 50 years ago, a lot of products came with a manual on how to take it apart and replace parts.
No thank you. I just want a schematic, that's all I have ever wanted and it used to be provided in a plastic folder inside the device or a sticker inside the outermost case of the device. Please don't complicate matters with unnecessary demands. That's a great way to get the idea ignored and give the other side some actual ammo against it.
Amazing video series! Please make this as dumbed down and easy to consume for politicians as possible. If this gets passed in the US, then everyone in the world benefits
@Louis Rossmann the funniest part when you mentioned the whole marijuana comparison to the GOP Rep, the very next day NY lawmakers announced they were gonna legalize marijuana usage. No Right to repair was mentioned. Surprise Surprise.
@mclaren1race you missed the point of legalizing it. Making it illegal doesn't eliminate its usage but only devastates a large section of the population. And no it's not as bad as crack! And before you get any ideas, I am a former user myself
The legal thing is a good analogy, but not 100% there. My suggestion would be to take a look at antitrust laws and see how they would apply to repair issues. Big tech is already facing antitrust but I don't believe they have touched on the repair issue. Using Apple as an example, your statement about being restricted from buying certain parts is monopolistic just as you said. You might be able to find some common ground with the people fighting those companies on the antitrust laws.
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Within the Minute 1 of Posted. This is how i like to get Louis' Videos!
when i buy a product, i am not renting it. it is my property. if i am repairing it in a way that voids warranty, well then the warranty isn't worth getting, is it?
I think a good analogy for "ripping the chips off of x device" would be organ transplants (can only sacrifice a person, would be better if we could make parts) or if car repairs had to buy a used car for parts (Tesla 😐)
If a company stop production of a particular product, the "State" should enforce that the company release free public information required to duplicate critical parts that are required for product to keep functioning. IMHO this should stop (mostly Taiwan) companies deny requests for chips needed for repairs. At the end the of the day the base question is if you buy something, then you "own" the thing you bought or you own just some "words/license" (owning words is stupid. no if no buts, literature/music/video industry can just burn on this economy model they build of almost a century). Louis's channel is one few (actuality only that I know) that talk about this fundamental issue - actual own a product or just a license/"words" to use the product. I fully agree it is ok to provide product availability of a product to masses, but you must provide at same time a full " product" that I can use for (eventually) tens of years, including repair planning for a reasonable timee frame. Sony killing Vita/PS3 game , without providing a way to acquire/play a game you paid ( damn the small print words that say you actually own some words/license, not the actual product/game) should be an example of the worst it can happen.
I do motherboard repair for a living as well. This crap is a barrier with nearly other motherboard I fix... every newer apple board (2017-now) something needs to change.
Imagine having an event to promote right to repair by showing individuals how to repair their own devices. This can also be used as a way to promote awareness for right to repair and the tactics being used by companies. Those willing to teach repairing techniques can volunteer or better yet team up with ifixit i’m sure they will help in the fight!
it's the biggest lobby thing ever. its basically a general monopoly. I invent/produce something and no one but me is to alter it in any way. Everyone os dependent and i regulate the price. Literally Monopolies. Big business wanting to take the last bit of freedom left for their profits.
I think you're right, it's one of the reasons I haven't even tried opening a repair shop, I only offer private repair services for things I know I can easily find parts
I still don't understand the people who also make that argument. It's not that we already can repair our stuff, it's about widening the gate for many others to learn how to without the inteference of corporations. Corporations are now the modern cartels, but are legal because the law is always slow to catch-up.
I'm a german and I really hope this gains traction not just in the usa, but also in Europe.. :) And I really enjoyed the video it was a lot of fun and funny and awesome and crazy and cool and other words the youtube algorithm may need.
The way I understood it, was "Right to repair" was also the right for repair shops to keep existing. Louis advocates for customers to repair their own devices, but I also believe he himself deserves to stay in business rather than watch Apple force him out of the market. "Why do you need right to repair? You already have repair shops" yes, and I want the repair shops to STAY here
Exactly, and if they get this done in the US the rest of us will benefit too. As soon as parts and other things becomes available anywhere, they become available everywhere.
I wonder how impactful it would be to show a row of all the different laptops that can't be fixed due to something that's unavailable to you along with the cost to get the part and make the repair as well as when the repair availability ended.
as always the obvious comparison is with autos, if you need a new fuel pump you can go to Ford or go to the original manufacture for oem or any 3rd party maker, same with any other spare you need for a car or van
Hello there, new to your channel and just basically found out about your "right to repair campaign" I'm from the UK. Is your campaign just for the US? Worldwide? Sorry to ask and I'm sure it's a simple answer for people which have followed you for a while. Regardless, good luck and happy to support.
It is just for the US. However the US often sets the standards for legislation around the world, so it could have benificial effects all over the world.
Usually they consider it to be copyright, IP, trade secret. A lot of time/ money goes into designing custom silicon; if a customer doesn't want their custom silicon to be used by competitors, that should be their right. This has the side-effect of that chip not being available for 3rd party repair services.
No. It's not like another form of censorship at all. I really wish the internet would stop misusing the word censorship. It makes it hard to take actual censorship seriously when I've been conditioned by internet buffoons to think that censorship no longer has meaning.
I subscribed to a Blu-ray player for a couple of years. Then a tiny part in it broke and 4 separate repair shops sent me away. Now I don't have a blu-ray player because the new subscriptions are too expensive for me.
Hey Louis, this is a great cause you're going after. I think you need to collab with a lot of youtubers about this to really spread the word. (Remember Mr Beasts cause for the trees?) I'm sure all of them would be happy to work with you to get to your goal. I hope you see this because I feel it's very important that you tackle the social media aspect to help your gofundme as much as possible. Best of luck!!
I think the best analogy is with Car repair. Imagine having to go for your dealership for everything or not being able to fix something in your car because the manufacturer tells you it costs too much forcing you to buy a new car when it would cost 500 bucks if the parts were available for your local mechanic.... Insanity
Tossed a 20$ bill to the cause, it's all i can afford. TBH if I had the money some CEO's do, i'd just front the cost of pushing this legislative crap through, it's ridiculous how hard bureaucracy has made it for people who want to do the right thing.
Greetings from Sri Lanka If United States takes the initiative to pass right to repair legislation, it will soon be the norm. I believe it will be a no option not to adapt by every manufacturer in every country. Everyone please donate. #GoRTR
As an extension of the prohibition analogy- if Right to Repair is blocked, then people WILL start selling chipsets and boards on the Black Market. We'll create a whole new career criminal subgroup to resolve a problem that we create, and we'll have to pour resources into capturing and prosecuting these people. Utter waste of time and resources, just as the Prohibition of alcohol was.
@@ChiDraconis Exactly. If a gap in the market is artificially created and is allowed to exist for long enough, people will find a way to fill that gap, and not all of them will people who care about the safety of their customers or their workers.
@@ChiDraconis I'm really confused... The point about the Right to Repair bill, or the deliberate prohibition of certain things, is that it creates a need gap in the market that gets filled via the black market. I honestly don't know anything about Sperry Rand, but the point is that prohibition DOES prevent customers (I hate the word "consumer" for some reason) from pursuing alternative, legal avenues, so they find alternative ILLEGAL avenues. Tell me more about this Sperry Rand thing, so at least I've got an idea about what we're debating here. 👍
@@ChiDraconis Ok. I understood everything you said, but what I don't understand, still, is the context, or why you are under the impression that I am somehow annoyed by your comments or disagreeing with them. I'm not, I'm just genuinely confused by the direction this discussion has gone, and feel like we're in some weird parallel universe where we are having two different conversations at the same time. Are you, in short, disagreeing with my original opinion? If so, that's good. We can discuss it further.
It's simple: If a company places some good up for sale, then all parts for that good should also be available for distribution as well. No exceptions. You can't argue "infringing on intellectual property" because the very fact that you are giving that product to a consumer completely invalidates that argument. Repair techs aren't the only people with the capability to disassemble a piece of technology. I could, theoretically, purchase a device at retail cost and then, on my own, disassemble the device and puzzle through how it works. They handed over the device to me and thereby waved those rights. Now, if I tried to take what I learn from that device, reconstruct it on my own and then attempt to sell it, that's an entirely different matter that should be regulated.
It's when your local repair shop can't get the necessary part(s) so that they can perform the necessary work because they are not an "authorized" or "certified" repair center.
What is really messed up is that the authorized and certified repair businesses are not allowed to fix many of the most common problems and have to still suggest that the customer have their device replaced with a new one.
I'm honestly confused why this is a question. The reason may be that I'm thinking of things from the opposite perspective. Businesses want money. They want as much of it as they can get, but run into a few problems. There is saturation of their market to contend with. Everyone has an apple smart phone that wants it and it works fine, that market has dried up for them. During one board meeting or another, they reviewed some statistics and likely noticed that repair centers they own that had low success rate also happened to coincide with an increase in sells of their pricy phones. Drum roll and bright business idea. If we staff these positions with people that are ok, we can make a killing off of the bloated repair cost and if they fail to repair, oh well, more money for us. But wait, all these other repair places are undercutting that sweet sweet repair cost and fixing things that our techs would say need replaced. That's a loss of money. Bad bad. How do we stop that from happening? Out comes everything you've talked about related to board schematics and parts being unavailable. You said it yourself, they want a monopoly and right to repair is what would prevent them from getting it. They've tasted that profit and they will lie, cheat, and steal to make sure it doesn't disappear. I said that as a saying and only realized after that they have done all these things to Louis.
Could someone send me a link to a video that shows how to fix an IPhone 12 that's had a bad MEI or blacklisted fix? I was screwed over in a Facebook marketplace deal and I'm out money :(
This exactly why I don’t want to work on Apple products in my at-home business. I’m at a position where I can only work with off-the-shelf parts, and I know I can’t get Apple parts.
I think making videos to explain misconceptions about right to repair is a good idea in itself. The format of you talking into the camera for 17 minutes is most likely not very attractive/interesting to people that aren't already watching your channel already and the ones that are, probably already know about those misconceptions. If your goal is to attract/inform people that are not already watching your videos or are knowledgeable about right to repair (for example senators), a shorter video with visual presentations might be more suited for it. Personally I enjoy watching you rambling to the camera tho :P
I think that's part of the idea of the organization - he'll have to put together more 'polished' presentations for the PR campaign and testimonies. Regardless, I'm still glad they are here for the SEO
"People were able to make it to California by foot, so why did we need a railroad across the country?"
@@suzyrottencrotch5132 dear, you need a life that doesn't involve trolling
@@suzyrottencrotch5132 u r joking right? U really didn't understand the analogy?
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It wasnt "stolen", it was fought over and the Mexicans lost. Thats called "war", and every single race, country and culture has done it to get what they wanted. Or is this one of those "white people do it, therefore its racist" stupid arguments where you conveniently forget that other races have done the exact same thing since the dawn of Humanity? Hell, the very things you complain about are actually happening as we speak, but because its happening in Africa and the middle east and you cant blame white people, you just pretend it doesnt exist.
Go back to Twitter where you belong, troglodyte.
@@suzyrottencrotch5132 On a scale of 1 to 10 how hard did you hit your head to think that?
Answer is self-evident...
It’s like saying that the lemonade stand run by a 9 year old is proof we have a free market.
Unless a Karen wines about it and police come and fine her for not having a license.
@@jamiegregory1970 oi you got a loisence fo dat stand
As long as the government stays involved with our market, it will never truly be free. I don't see how more legislation is supposed to promote a better marketplace. If anything, it's going to hurt people like me who want to make cool open source products for all of you, but are struggling to wrap their head around the current pile of legislation. You're an absolute fool if you think the government will make right to repair simple and easy to comply with. I love the idea of releasing the source to all of the stuff I want to sell, but it would severely limit creativity and resources if I have to do it in a super specific way. It's going to be a nightmare for small business.
Eh, it's fairly free.
@@franchufranchu119 nope
You should create a "right to repair" jigsaw puzzle. Team up with EEVBlog to design a simple schematic, print that onto a jigsaw puzzle, then package & sell them all with a single piece missing. Once right to repair passes you can then start selling people the missing pieces.
That there is funny!
But then everyone else can make their own missing piece, and sell it cheaper to them.
1:32 "This is not Marihuana advice, i am not a Marihuanal services professional "
He is a logical and respectful human for anything that is not pure stupidy, always enriching listening to louis!! Every day on Every topic!!! TY!
When he brought up Marijuana I remembered a legit ad on a public radio for an attorney telling people to get arrested for Marijuana possession and to call him.
Promote this, algorithm. This video deserves views
The ducky is credible as hell. This is a really eloquent explanation.
I remember when my local radio shack went out of business. My grandpa was upset, I was only a little kid but now I understand how important those stores are. Now it's a fuckin dollar general.
Cool grandpa
14:54 'Blackberry, did you just bite my microphone?'
Blackberry: Wanna watch me do it again?
I remember having schematics in a pocket or taped to the inside of the back panel of a radio or old CRT TV... now we can't even buy parts...
I have never donated before, but it just happened, because I trust you. Hopefully your achievements will spread to the rest of the world, much love from Europe
When I was becoming computer science engineer I recall the breakup of AT&T was quite dramatic because AT&T had the monopoly that Apple is attempting to foist upon us. It's the same legal argument as when AT&T was trying to prevent a guy from using an adapter to plug his phone into that he did not buy from AT&T. The lawsuit was landmark but AT&T's monopoly was overturned at that moment. Upon winning the lawsuit it still took several years for AT&T to be broken up over this but it was the basis of the same bullshit that you're fighting now. I think you need different or better lawyers as the one's that have been handling this lately appear to be on the side of Apple because they are not insisting that this was already resolved and that there is no material difference. The lawyers on the side of the public are throwing this away to big corporate media. We need to stick to the law that is already in place & bust up the Apple antitrust behaviors. We should have better laws by now, that not only do not erode our rights like your challenge to Apple has resulted in, but where we don't have to constantly fight corporate overreach in beating the government with fancy lawyers, purchased politicians, & corrupt process clerks & other entities on the administrative offices of the government that are removing our rights faster than you can say "China Sucks".
@@ChiDraconis Rubbish.
@@ChiDraconis Stop writing to me. You clearly neither understand nor do you respond with anything that makes sense. I don't know what language you are translating from. The machine you are using to translate is spewing English words but it comes out all nonsense. Don't waste your time on this. It's not working. Probably you're a bot that was badly designed.
Louis, make sure to talk about the gofundme at the start of your videos. As you might know a lot of people do not watch videos to the end, so having it at the start will significantly increase the number of people, who will see it. I know that it might seem a little obnoxious having it at the start, but it's for a good cause, so I believe people won't mind it :)
Agreed. I know he will not like it but it is part of going "full influencer" for the cause.
Just a quick it's me & I need your help in supporting right to repair.
Follow this link or listen to the end of the video for more information. Or so on.
Might add a little support RtoR link in a corner of the screen too.
But many that drop out early will probaly also be those that wouldn't care too much to fund that, I'd imagine.
Same thing for advertising anything. Get it out the way at the start then we can enjoy the video to conclusion without interruption or whatever. Gives a better experience overall doing the message first
I think there is going to have to be major advertisement for this fight.
13:02 - 14:38 When I found your channel a few years back, learning that electronics repair was possible and actually learning how to do it inspired me, and I considered starting a repair business myself. But the lack of supply chain for the components and schematics really put me off. I'm one of those who said screw that, I'm going to get a real job instead.
I did repairs in high school fixing game systems and computers. Back in 2001, till about 2006. After seeing the none supported back then. I gave up on my repair company and moved into college. To go into engineering. Now I develop products and I refuse to work for companies that don't support repair!
Hi used to work for General Electric Medical Systems and after 13 years of being a field service technician, I went independent to to provide third-party service on Nuclear Gamma Camera’s.
I ran into a situation that I was not able to purchase a replacement power supply from a company because General Electric had given an edict that they could not sell that power supply to anyone but General Electric. But luckily an agent at the company found a workaround that if I could provide a defective power supply that they could repair it and send it to me. Because I provided 24 hour turnaround service I was luckily able to buy some defective power supplies to have repaired and held in stock to provide my 24 hour service.
Simply put, I paid for it, its mine. If I want to repair it myself, nobody should have the right to tell me "no". But, the powers that be seem Hell bent on insisting that they micro-manage every aspect of my life "for my own good". Yeah, no thanks. People that feel the need to lie about everything cant (and shouldnt) be trusted with anything.
Thank you, Louis, for everything that you do.
Until recently, PSA (Peugeot car manufacturer) would supply the customer the PIN-code required to program keys if he could prove ownership. However, now they changed the policy, making the customer actually show up with the car at the dealer (which can be a problem if you don't have the PIN-code and hence no key). Once the car arrives at the dealer, more often than not they try to convince the owner that it is impossible for a non-dealer to program a new key (which is BS) and that they should buy a new key at the dealer.
There are ways to read the PIN-code from the car, so specialist car locksmiths don't care. I think they should, because it will only get worse in the future. Additionally, this encourages more devices to be created that will also allow thieves to program a key to a car.
Can't wait for the Rossmann speak easy!
A little drink, a little smoke, a little board repair - good times all around!
When I was listening to the part about having to scrap a charger because you needed to steal a chip, and that it was illegal for people at recycling centers to pull parts for resale, I immediately thought if this is a problem, this is a situation that needs to be changed, possibly as part of right to repair. I hadn't even considered that the recycling center didn't have a conveyor belt with people pulling possibly re-usable items for refurbishment. I have 3 real-world examples of similar situations, I'm sure other commenters may have more
Junk Yards - go to the pile of lamps (example item) and pick out 2 or 3 you want to make a new lamp out of and pay at the door.
Automotive junk yards - There are multiple types of places I know of to dispose of an old car.
Scrapyards - remove the tires, oil (maybe more) and put the car in a crusher. Even the tires MAY go to a used-tire processor who either sells them as used or puts them into a shredder depending on treadwear. This is close to the recycler model as described.
U-Pull-A-Part - Mechanic goes over the vehicle and if they see anything high-demand, they pull it and either put it directly up for sale as used or send it off for refurbishment. Some get it back for their shop for resale as refurbished or it goes to a warehouse/reseller. The rest of the vehicle is then put on the yard for customers to pick-over and pull any part they want then pay for that part on the way out. The customer even has to supply his own tools to do it. As new vehicles come in, the yard manager decides which old vehicles aren't worth keeping on the lot so a new vehicle can take it's spot. At this point, the vehicles then get looked-over by a crew and anything they deem worth their time is removed before it goes to the crusher. This is a similar model to how I would like to see electronics recycling, other than having measures in the chain for data wiping.
Home Demolition
Straight Demolition - Crew removes power, water, and anything not bolted down before they run the bulldozer through. Even here appliances often make it to the refurbishment market in whole or in parts
Restoration Hardware - Recycling companies specifically hired who promise to go through the structure with a fine-tooth comb and pull every hinge, doorknob, door, cabinets, etc. There are even lumberyards specializing in re-selling the 2x4s, siding, flooring etc from these tear-downs. Sending something to the shredder only happens with these for parts that are absolutely not usable to anyone or an economic return is infeasible. This is where e-cycing should be. Companies would have databases of parts of value, so when you see a macbook go by the first sorter on the conveyor belt, you know whether that model has parts worth additional resources to separate and resale. They'll still get the gold from the motherboard, just not until after that motherboard has been stripped for it's individual chips or after it's actual useful life.
Man only a few days ago around 165,000.
Glad to see progress, and I hope it continues at this rate for the foreseeable future!
I recently broke my own keyboard. One of the connections do not respond to a key press and its because I soldered the PCB for long and burned it. I thought calling Ducky for a replacement PCB would be ok since they probably have extras. Got a response saying that they don't...so now I just have a scuffed keyboard. I'm just frustrated that they don't even have extra for sell or a repair service. I'm sure they have a reason but just made no sense and needed to rant.
We need more people like you, right to repair is vital for so many industries
Louis please put the link to the fundraiser in the description. Love what you do!
The public has made it clear that they are more than happy settling with 'adequate' - the manufacturers have simply responded to that, and taken advantage of that. This should be common sense, I can't believe that we have to actually fight for this.
Great idea with these videos, whenever I tell people about right to repair they often question why that would be a problem - and with the answers being very technical people does not always understand why it would be a problem :/
*Reads title*
I immediately remembered Last Week Tonight's piece on Equal Rights Amendment and how despite it not being part of the Constitution, many of us believe it does exist.
Apple: you already have the right to repair!
*patents a fucking screw and doesn’t sell it*
Right to repair is inherent in everything, as far I'm concerned. To that end whenever I buy anything, automobile, TV, radio whatever, if it will need servicing at some point, I always make sure the "factory service manual and all schematics" are part of the purchase agreement. If the company won't supply them as part of the deal, I just don't buy their product. The more people start demanding this information and walking away if they don't get it, the better.
This is great and all that, but you're really preaching to the choir here. What we need are some simple, straight-to-the-point videos to raise awareness of what Apple is doing to customers. Using cars as an example of R2R is something that normal people can relate to and I would highly recommend that as a starting point. I'm an educational professional and your explanations are far too technical for laypeople (i.e.: voters), and we need them on our side.
@@ChiDraconis This comment is a case study in why some people have no business trying to teach others.
@@ChiDraconis Yes, and?
You sound like someone who's only interested in blowing themselves over how much they know. Whether you find his explanations overly simplified has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with how the average voter will perceive this content.
Delete your comment and stop posting because you're bringing zero value to the discussion.
As always, I'm here to support Mr. Louis and his (OUR) fight!
Right to repair is so much deeper than having repair shops. It's the ease that stuff can be repaired. Today I fixed my kettle but he job was made difficult by the fact although the parts are commonly available I need to open it up to get the part number and buy a special bit set because, they used a special anti tamper screw. Why? To detour home repair.
Louis, I would coach this in terms of How abiltiy to repair is being taken away. For example if like lcd panel are being locked to hardware, ask what if the windshield of your car now had a chip it where now only the dealership could replace your windshield. When he says that crazy, point out how it has already happen to farmers. The bigger problem I see is when see if a company ( buys the design or develops in house ) for all their chips, then they have a lock.
Another thing is that if repair shops become more common, which they will after rtr passes, than the manufactures need to offer a better service so they stay in the repair market.
I recently bought a new monitor from Acer, it not only was delayed because happend in the warehouse, but it also arrived with a hardware issue that causes weird red lines every 5pixels or so.
If there was a repair shop in my town, they could have fixed it in a week or so. Acers repair service just send me an email telling me that they will now beginn the repair process
...the monitor (according to the delivery service) arrived there eight days go...
Their advertised repair time is 8-10 days + 4-5 days for shipping it back to me and we have an estimated total time from when I placed my order to the Arrival of a working product of 38-41 days.
38 long days where I had and still have to use my art tablet as a gaming monitor.
imagine going to your mechanic instead of the dealership but they can only repair your vehicle with used parts
I'm not a repair shop. I just like to tinker. I have an LG V30. After about a year the charge port started to go. 6 months later I could no longer charge my phone. Now, I do typically fix my own stuff. Went online and found the charge port on this phone is on a separate board (yay!)
So I bought a new one for 6 bucks, bought a new battery while I was at it, and with the help of a heat gun (or in my case a butane torch, since I couldn't find my heat gun) I warmed up the back, peeled it off and replaced my parts. Put on me adhesive tape and it's good as new. Total cost? About 35 bucks. My last phone did not have the port on a separate board. Would had to have been desoldered, and I don't have the equipment for that kind of finely detailed work. So I couldn't fix it. But I'll tell you, I do my homework now and make sure these parts are replaceable before I purchase!
Well played Louise, well played! This is why all the screens in the faucet's in my high school
were missing. I miss metal shop class!
Your monolog reminded me of a great book, I've read a little while ago. Mark-Uwe Kling: Qualityland, a Scifi, where there is a prohibition on repair, and an compamy algorythm provides you with the new tech, you don't know that you wanted...
If possible, we should also make these companies post repair tutorials like your videos. Just 50 years ago, a lot of products came with a manual on how to take it apart and replace parts.
No thank you. I just want a schematic, that's all I have ever wanted and it used to be provided in a plastic folder inside the device or a sticker inside the outermost case of the device. Please don't complicate matters with unnecessary demands. That's a great way to get the idea ignored and give the other side some actual ammo against it.
Amazing video series! Please make this as dumbed down and easy to consume for politicians as possible. If this gets passed in the US, then everyone in the world benefits
Great series!! Can't wait for more
Even I’m not US citizen, I will support Louis on this 100%.
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@Louis Rossmann the funniest part when you mentioned the whole marijuana comparison to the GOP Rep, the very next day NY lawmakers announced they were gonna legalize marijuana usage. No Right to repair was mentioned. Surprise Surprise.
@mclaren1race you missed the point of legalizing it. Making it illegal doesn't eliminate its usage but only devastates a large section of the population. And no it's not as bad as crack! And before you get any ideas, I am a former user myself
The legal thing is a good analogy, but not 100% there. My suggestion would be to take a look at antitrust laws and see how they would apply to repair issues. Big tech is already facing antitrust but I don't believe they have touched on the repair issue. Using Apple as an example, your statement about being restricted from buying certain parts is monopolistic just as you said. You might be able to find some common ground with the people fighting those companies on the antitrust laws.
Within the Minute 1 of Posted. This is how i like to get Louis' Videos!
when i buy a product, i am not renting it. it is my property. if i am repairing it in a way that voids warranty, well then the warranty isn't worth getting, is it?
I think a good analogy for "ripping the chips off of x device" would be organ transplants (can only sacrifice a person, would be better if we could make parts) or if car repairs had to buy a used car for parts (Tesla 😐)
I'm just commenting because I heard the youtube algorithm likes it.
Me too
Loved you long time ago before you said respect Marijuana
I love the ending, it's rare to see you excited lol!
If a company stop production of a particular product, the "State" should enforce that the company release free public information required to duplicate critical parts that are required for product to keep functioning. IMHO this should stop (mostly Taiwan) companies deny requests for chips needed for repairs. At the end the of the day the base question is if you buy something, then you "own" the thing you bought or you own just some "words/license" (owning words is stupid. no if no buts, literature/music/video industry can just burn on this economy model they build of almost a century). Louis's channel is one few (actuality only that I know) that talk about this fundamental issue - actual own a product or just a license/"words" to use the product. I fully agree it is ok to provide product availability of a product to masses, but you must provide at same time a full " product" that I can use for (eventually) tens of years, including repair planning for a reasonable timee frame. Sony killing Vita/PS3 game , without providing a way to acquire/play a game you paid ( damn the small print words that say you actually own some words/license, not the actual product/game) should be an example of the worst it can happen.
Great video Louis and it's been very fun to watch the GoFundMe rise.
I really hope this will bring about the necessary change
I do motherboard repair for a living as well. This crap is a barrier with nearly other motherboard I fix... every newer apple board (2017-now) something needs to change.
Agreed. There would be more people creating repair shops if the barriers were not there.
Imagine having an event to promote right to repair by showing individuals how to repair their own devices. This can also be used as a way to promote awareness for right to repair and the tactics being used by companies. Those willing to teach repairing techniques can volunteer or better yet team up with ifixit i’m sure they will help in the fight!
Ifixit does that as well.
it's the biggest lobby thing ever. its basically a general monopoly. I invent/produce something and no one but me is to alter it in any way. Everyone os dependent and i regulate the price.
Literally Monopolies.
Big business wanting to take the last bit of freedom left for their profits.
I think you're right, it's one of the reasons I haven't even tried opening a repair shop, I only offer private repair services for things I know I can easily find parts
I still don't understand the people who also make that argument.
It's not that we already can repair our stuff, it's about widening the gate for many others to learn how to without the inteference of corporations.
Corporations are now the modern cartels, but are legal because the law is always slow to catch-up.
I'm a german and I really hope this gains traction not just in the usa, but also in Europe.. :)
And I really enjoyed the video it was a lot of fun and funny and awesome and crazy and cool and other words the youtube algorithm may need.
The way I understood it, was "Right to repair" was also the right for repair shops to keep existing. Louis advocates for customers to repair their own devices, but I also believe he himself deserves to stay in business rather than watch Apple force him out of the market.
"Why do you need right to repair? You already have repair shops" yes, and I want the repair shops to STAY here
excited to see the momentum grow on the gofundme!
Just here doing my interactions so the youtube gods favor your content. Thank you for what you are doing
An obligatory comment to help spread the word.
Let's make this fundraiser and ballot happen! The world needs it, not only US.
Exactly, and if they get this done in the US the rest of us will benefit too. As soon as parts and other things becomes available anywhere, they become available everywhere.
I wonder how impactful it would be to show a row of all the different laptops that can't be fixed due to something that's unavailable to you along with the cost to get the part and make the repair as well as when the repair availability ended.
as always the obvious comparison is with autos, if you need a new fuel pump you can go to Ford or go to the original manufacture for oem or any 3rd party maker, same with any other spare you need for a car or van
Hello there, new to your channel and just basically found out about your "right to repair campaign" I'm from the UK. Is your campaign just for the US? Worldwide? Sorry to ask and I'm sure it's a simple answer for people which have followed you for a while. Regardless, good luck and happy to support.
It is just for the US. However the US often sets the standards for legislation around the world, so it could have benificial effects all over the world.
it is US focused at the time, but getting it passed even at a fairly local level can have big ramifications.
If it happens here it will more than likely carryover to the rest of the world. They're probably not going to make one product here & another there.
It's almost like another form of censorship, when you are not allowed to access replacement parts!
nah, I see it more as the company making artifically dependent on them.
(and dependency is one of the opposites of freedom)
Usually they consider it to be copyright, IP, trade secret. A lot of time/ money goes into designing custom silicon; if a customer doesn't want their custom silicon to be used by competitors, that should be their right. This has the side-effect of that chip not being available for 3rd party repair services.
No. It's not like another form of censorship at all.
I really wish the internet would stop misusing the word censorship. It makes it hard to take actual censorship seriously when I've been conditioned by internet buffoons to think that censorship no longer has meaning.
Make a video of your kitties playing with the giant rubber duck, that'll make the YT algorithm love you again.
I subscribed to a Blu-ray player for a couple of years. Then a tiny part in it broke and 4 separate repair shops sent me away. Now I don't have a blu-ray player because the new subscriptions are too expensive for me.
Excellent idea with this myth-busting series :> And a very needed one. Big thumbs-up!
What you really want is to be able to purchase parts from the vendor for particular devices.
Hey Louis, this is a great cause you're going after. I think you need to collab with a lot of youtubers about this to really spread the word. (Remember Mr Beasts cause for the trees?) I'm sure all of them would be happy to work with you to get to your goal. I hope you see this because I feel it's very important that you tackle the social media aspect to help your gofundme as much as possible.
Best of luck!!
@@din-kin with the amount spent on artwork. But you have to convince them to NOT get art Instead for once lol
I think the best analogy is with Car repair. Imagine having to go for your dealership for everything or not being able to fix something in your car because the manufacturer tells you it costs too much forcing you to buy a new car when it would cost 500 bucks if the parts were available for your local mechanic.... Insanity
Lijk tesla ?
@@vincentgroot6912 Lol got me there
Tossed a 20$ bill to the cause, it's all i can afford. TBH if I had the money some CEO's do, i'd just front the cost of pushing this legislative crap through, it's ridiculous how hard bureaucracy has made it for people who want to do the right thing.
Greetings from Sri Lanka
If United States takes the initiative to pass right to repair legislation, it will soon be the norm. I believe it will be a no option not to adapt by every manufacturer in every country. Everyone please donate. #GoRTR
As an extension of the prohibition analogy- if Right to Repair is blocked, then people WILL start selling chipsets and boards on the Black Market. We'll create a whole new career criminal subgroup to resolve a problem that we create, and we'll have to pour resources into capturing and prosecuting these people. Utter waste of time and resources, just as the Prohibition of alcohol was.
@@ChiDraconis Exactly. If a gap in the market is artificially created and is allowed to exist for long enough, people will find a way to fill that gap, and not all of them will people who care about the safety of their customers or their workers.
@@ChiDraconis I'm really confused... The point about the Right to Repair bill, or the deliberate prohibition of certain things, is that it creates a need gap in the market that gets filled via the black market.
I honestly don't know anything about Sperry Rand, but the point is that prohibition DOES prevent customers (I hate the word "consumer" for some reason) from pursuing alternative, legal avenues, so they find alternative ILLEGAL avenues.
Tell me more about this Sperry Rand thing, so at least I've got an idea about what we're debating here. 👍
@@ChiDraconis Ok. I understood everything you said, but what I don't understand, still, is the context, or why you are under the impression that I am somehow annoyed by your comments or disagreeing with them. I'm not, I'm just genuinely confused by the direction this discussion has gone, and feel like we're in some weird parallel universe where we are having two different conversations at the same time.
Are you, in short, disagreeing with my original opinion? If so, that's good. We can discuss it further.
I hope a lot of people see and support this 👍🏼🙏🏼
బాగా చెప్పావు గురూ... తెలుగు లో ఎందుకు టైప్ చేస్తున్నా అంటే, ఊరకే టెస్ట్ చేయడానికి.. యూట్యూబ్ అల్గోరిథం ని..
It's simple: If a company places some good up for sale, then all parts for that good should also be available for distribution as well. No exceptions.
You can't argue "infringing on intellectual property" because the very fact that you are giving that product to a consumer completely invalidates that argument.
Repair techs aren't the only people with the capability to disassemble a piece of technology. I could, theoretically, purchase a device at retail cost and then, on my own, disassemble the device and puzzle through how it works. They handed over the device to me and thereby waved those rights.
Now, if I tried to take what I learn from that device, reconstruct it on my own and then attempt to sell it, that's an entirely different matter that should be regulated.
Concision : People won't get your message if you compete with Eli on being
'TANGENT MAN'
Not everyone is gifted enough to repair iphones.
Thats why louis exsists.
I commend him for his work.
That's Jessa
It sounds to me like they're trying to deflect from the issue at hand to get out of having to do anything.
That "recreational pharmaceuticals" nice nice hahaha
Maybe this is an odd compliment. But I don’t even care what you’re talking about. You’re so pleasant to listen to
Good point,it should be called right to ban repair
imagine if a mechanic couldn't buy spark plugs because honda said so
It's when your local repair shop can't get the necessary part(s) so that they can perform the necessary work because they are not an "authorized" or "certified" repair center.
What is really messed up is that the authorized and certified repair businesses are not allowed to fix many of the most common problems and have to still suggest that the customer have their device replaced with a new one.
agreed with mf, not even the authorized ones get to do this lol
I'm honestly confused why this is a question. The reason may be that I'm thinking of things from the opposite perspective. Businesses want money. They want as much of it as they can get, but run into a few problems. There is saturation of their market to contend with. Everyone has an apple smart phone that wants it and it works fine, that market has dried up for them. During one board meeting or another, they reviewed some statistics and likely noticed that repair centers they own that had low success rate also happened to coincide with an increase in sells of their pricy phones. Drum roll and bright business idea. If we staff these positions with people that are ok, we can make a killing off of the bloated repair cost and if they fail to repair, oh well, more money for us. But wait, all these other repair places are undercutting that sweet sweet repair cost and fixing things that our techs would say need replaced. That's a loss of money. Bad bad. How do we stop that from happening? Out comes everything you've talked about related to board schematics and parts being unavailable. You said it yourself, they want a monopoly and right to repair is what would prevent them from getting it. They've tasted that profit and they will lie, cheat, and steal to make sure it doesn't disappear. I said that as a saying and only realized after that they have done all these things to Louis.
Could someone send me a link to a video that shows how to fix an IPhone 12 that's had a bad MEI or blacklisted fix? I was screwed over in a Facebook marketplace deal and I'm out money :(
Not wanting to move to a subscription environment is the reason I stopped being a gamer circa 2010. I gave up completely on video games.
I hope Right to Repair passes. But I fear it will not, because politicians love their money too much.
We need a sticker on product so the customer can see to what degree the item is repariable
This exactly why I don’t want to work on Apple products in my at-home business. I’m at a position where I can only work with off-the-shelf parts, and I know I can’t get Apple parts.
It is all about money and control. They want both.
Is there any kind of substitute for a charge chip like the ISL9240?
Could you explain what makes a ISL9240 different from a different charge chip?
Let's get the bill passed.
Almost thought that was a oven roasted duck in the can was going to say poor Eli.
I think making videos to explain misconceptions about right to repair is a good idea in itself. The format of you talking into the camera for 17 minutes is most likely not very attractive/interesting to people that aren't already watching your channel already and the ones that are, probably already know about those misconceptions. If your goal is to attract/inform people that are not already watching your videos or are knowledgeable about right to repair (for example senators), a shorter video with visual presentations might be more suited for it. Personally I enjoy watching you rambling to the camera tho :P
I think that's part of the idea of the organization - he'll have to put together more 'polished' presentations for the PR campaign and testimonies. Regardless, I'm still glad they are here for the SEO
Thank you Louis