JEEP 4XE WRANGLER on 38's?! REVIEW ON A BUILT OFF ROAD HYBRID!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2024
- Gas prices are CRAZY so we take a good look at the jeep wrangler 4xe to see if a BUILT jeep 4xe is any good for off road.
More and more companies are making electric and hybrid vehicles but we wanted to know if the current generation of the jeep 4xe could off road. And how the lift and tires would effect it.
Perhaps it's time to trade in the jeep gladiator?
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That blue 4XE on 38’s looks great. If you get one, set up some roof top solar panels and run around connected to a Jackery. ;)
😂😂😂 That's great!
14(17) kilowatt battery. I've done the math and it's not pretty how big of a solar array you'd need to have 😂.
@@JamesDealz 😂😂
I was just thinking about that, it could be a pretty useful feature to have while overlanding for a few days.
You’ll be charging for a week just to get enough juice 🤣 to not get very far
The way it works for me is I drive a Jeep with 370 HP and 470 pounds of torque for the same fuel costs (electric and gas combined) as I did a Subaru Outback. And we've pounded the heck out of it in Moab, including pulling a trailer. About 50 percent of my miles are electric, but then you have so much fun driving it you want to keep doing 700 mile trips.
I feel a little freer dropping the pedal from time to time than I would running a normal ICE engine with that kind of power. I mean... at WOT you're using about as much fuel as any other vehicle with a 2.0 turbo, yet it's getting up to speed much faster even in a much heavier vehicle.
Very informative video on the 4xe. The more I learn about it, the more I want one!
They are very misunderstood!
10:10 On the highway, that's true... a diesel or the V6 running on a flat road at highway speeds might get a bit better mileage than the 4xe(esp. the diesel). But even with 0 battery, I bet the 4xe does far better in the city. At least that's what I get from my other jeepin' buddies when we compare notes.
I daily drive my 4xe on 35's and travel 40ish kms to work every day, i charge at work during the day and have gone an entire month on 1 tank of gas. I obviously have the perfect commute in distance and the fact i have the ability to charge at work. We installed a 40amp plug in a water proof box and bought level 2 chargers off amazon for employees to use. Another location i work we installed a true plug in charging station and it cost 5 times as much. Love my 4xe and will buy another. Oh yeah btw i use it on the weekends like it should be used with a roof top tent that i pull behind on my trailer and get into some crazy places with it.
That's the perfect setup!
I own a 4xe with a 4in lift on Nitto 38s. I commute 25mi a day to work. I charge once at home and once at the office. I fill up the car with gas once every two weeks.
That's perfect scenario!!!
@@UnwindingRoads I also took advantage of the tax credit when I got it.
What type of lift you have?
Did you have to regear?
@@timothyv.scottiii7362 nope
I am surprised the jeep community accepted the 4xe so enthusiastically. One would expect jeep owners to be somewhat stubborn and preferring "tried and true" old school technology but it does not seem to be the case.
I think it's because it also has a ICE. Its a nice transition. And they did a great job of it.....
You should also consider the full electric climate control benefits. For those who travel with their pets, no more leaving the dogs in a hot car. It can cool itself without the gas motor being on. Reverse can be true for sleeping in the Jeep on a cold night, yet the loss of a flat deck makes that nearly impossible
I didn't know that about the climate controls! Very cool! I think a small drawer system might work to fix the flat deck problem?
Plenty of solutions out there for this on the diy scene. With a couple manufacturers in the process of releasing products to solve this issue as well
It's great when you're stopped in traffic, too. Engine only runs to charge the AC(and only at 0% battery), which is a fraction of the time. And even with the battery depleted, it creeps forward without starting the ICE.
Just a note on this, the vehicle does turn off automatically after 30 min. There are ways around this like unhooking the driver side door electronics, but be aware of that if leaving a pet in the vehicle for more than a few min.
Loving mine! It’s still bone stock but it’s so awesome
A bone stock wrangler is still a very capable rig!!! Congrats on the 4xe!
Love mine, too. I've never owned a vehicle that's as practical and indulgent at the same time. One or the other, but never both.
with only getting 40 kms, I really do not see the value in getting one of these models. With living in Canada, the battery life is definitely not as long as it would be in a warmer climate. I do like the torque, but that trade off is not significant enough for me. I will stick to my gas powered Rubicon's.
Thanks for the video.
Ya I don't think these hybrids are there just yet. But maybe one day!
@@UnwindingRoads
I suspect It really depends on the use case.
If most of your driving is to work and back, shopping, running errands, that 40KM in electric is within most peoples daily use. So every day you're using mainly Electric. Daily Driving savings $$$. That's where the majority of drivers sit. Definitely the best fit for PHEV.
If you're a weekend warrior, you still get the benefit of the Hybrid function with all the HP/Torque, even when your access to electric only is gone.
If you're doing a long road trip and the 40 km electric is depleted and your in hybrid mode, you still get better mileage than the 3.6l. At least that's comparing my 3.6L to my friends 4xe, of course your build makes a difference.
So the money saved doing the daily stuff in electric, has the potential to more than makes up for gas costs for those big trips.
However, if your daily driving is well beyond your electric range, and you really need to get maximum bang for mileage, you could go diesel for that. However, the extra $10k you pay for a diesel will take years to make up in mileage/gas savings, plus DEF Costs, maintenance, etc.
My wife has a PHEV car that she bought recently, 50km electric range. Between her, my son, and myself, we've all leveraged her car for daily errands and commutes. We almost never run out the electric only availability in an average day. Her car's going to get a lot of miles while I save wear and tear on my Jeep. = $$$ for upgrades!
;)
In my case, using the wife's PHEV has shown me just how much better PHEV is over Hybrid or Full blown electric. We just put the 1st tank of gas in, after 2700km's driving.
At the end of the day, Hybrids/PHEV's, aren't intended to be the same as fully electric. They are intended to give you the maximum carbon footprint reduction at a much faster rate, have less impact on the environment to produce than BEV, allow you to keep traveling without the need to stop for long periods of time to charge, and augment the performance of your ICE when needed at the same time.
For me, I'm just waiting to see what the 2023 Wrangler 4xe model will have before I pull the trigger and jump to PHEV.
Fellow Canadian here- Really comes down to your commute. If you’re doing an hour to work and an hour home, I wouldn’t recommend the 4xe. But for shorter commutes? having the same amount of gas in the tank on friday afternoon as you started with Monday morning before heading out for the weekend is awesome. And that performance should make it through 3/4 seasons. In the winter, I expect the gas engine to kick in a little more often- but I’ll still use far less gas and need fewer oil changes than the V6. With the added bonus of more power and torque. If your daily commute is less than 50 - 60km, it really is an awesome setup.
@@braedonsz awesome response
I went from a V8 500+hp sports car to a 4xe Rubicon and I absolutely love it
... A 500hp sports car does sound fun....
Just trade in my 720hp mustang in today also for a 4XE rubicon 😭😭😭
@@nasty5-oh893 You’ll definitely miss it at times but the places you can go and experience are absolutely amazing!
Im posting after reading most of the comments incase i repeat something plus this is before i watch the video. Just an opinion because Im trying to do some math and factors myself for a future truck. The benefits of an offroad electric is so much torque that its insane especially watching Trail Recon and his experience. I think that would be where is pretty much ends. The cons and ways to improve it plus some outside factors:
- Theres just not enough battery power to last out on the trails for long distances so this is more of a prototype than anything.
- I feel like there needs to be a secondary batt. setup separate from the vehicle range batt. just for accessories. Cuz you can build out a 20kw system with as much space in the back to power a whole kitchen for days.
- lastly, the issue is recharging, the solar panels just aren't there yet and Im waiting for Perovskite to be fully commercialized for us for better efficiency, which i believe will be enough to power an off-roading vehicle no problem or even just enough for a minimum of a couple days.
Now on to watching my favorite youtuber to comment some more after this.
done......... you know are you able to install an aftermarket gas tank increase on a 4Xe?
When we were under there, there wasn't much room. The etorq system takes up the space a long range tank would normally go... I'm sure it can be done!
@@UnwindingRoads next jeep thing: Jenga shaped gas tank to fit around the stuff under the jeep lol
@@xLopez210x 😂😂
That's basically how it works, already. Even when the battery indicates 0, there's remaining charge to cover climate and propulsion power demands. And accessories run off of 12V, but that battery is charged directly from the propulsion battery. There is no alternator on this vehicle.
A bigger tank would be great on longer trips, but I think jerry cans would be the better solution. In normal everyday use, the smaller tank helps with the "problem" of going months before having to refuel. Honestly in everyday use cases I'd never fill it up if it were any bigger. The other is that I find myself having to stop at gas stations long before I'm on empty, mostly for the purpose of cleaning all the bugs off the windshield. On long trips I've found myself stopping before I hit a quarter tank because of this. Neither of these things is a factor in overlanding, but they sure are in every other form of travel.
Hey Teddy. Good to see you here on TH-cam. I don’t if you remember I met you at Contenders back in the day. Hope your doing well. Take care
Yes I remember you! Hope you're well man!
@@UnwindingRoads good memory. How’s the boxing gym going? You at the same place still?
@@daneemfragrance no sir, the building got sold and I never re-opened. I converted my garage to make a gym and still train people there.
@@UnwindingRoads that’s cool. I got to come check it out sometime.
I’m hoping your video corrects me if I’m wrong but I think the electric power in these Jeeps is good enough for driving the kids to school & getting to the grocery store but the juice will run out before you hit Abbotsford or Mission. Looking forward to the review. 🎬🎞🍿
I think you'll be impressed!
Haha Landon's blow off valve is sick....what's that gonna cost me 🤔
Hahaha whatever it takes. You need it 😂
Nice video, I have bought the 4xe and put the first setup you did on the white jeep, lower control arms, bump stops and the spring spacers, not liking it to well, i like what you have done on this build, but Teraflex tells me they do not have any 3.5 kits designed for the 4xe. So can you tell me what you ordered? Thanks
I was asking the same thing at a shop. They said that if they install a kit like they would a eco-diesel, it's basically the same as the 4xe. But I did hear the Falcon shocks don't work as well as the Fox with the 4xe. I could be wrong though. Just what my local shop said from their experience.
8:15 Kinda weird that he says it's "sluggish" when the battery is "empty". While the battery does add weight, the battery at 0% still provides electric propulsion. You still have 370-ish HP and almost 500tq on demand. It's being primarily propelled by the ICE at that point instead of the P1 motor doing most of the work, but you put your foot down and you have everything from both, just as you do with a full battery.
I think he touches on that saying that 15 percent of the battery is not available to the user for times like that. But with general driving it feels sluggish. I could be wrong but that's what I got from it. Very cool that it'll still go when you want it to go quick even with a "dead" battery. Thanks for clearing that up Robsolf!
@@UnwindingRoads Could be. Maybe he's just talking about the contrast in driving behavior when it uses the ICE primarily (at 0 batt)vs. the electric when it has charge. The electric motor is, by nature, more responsive even though it has half the power the ICE does.
@@robsolf I think the he's mostly referring to some of the power being used to run the generator, which would take away from the total available torque.
This is my understanding of the 4xe as well.
Basically it feels like bad '80s turbo lag. Yes, you can get full power but it isn't instant when the usable battery reads
What Blow off valve does the blue jeep have?? Love it
Unfortunately, I do not know.
August 29, 1997 - this is how it starts.
that's why you can never wheel two of these together. they might mate, and lead to our destruction.
It started for me in 1971! 👍🏻🙏🦘
At 6:36, is that a blowoff valve I hear or was that the semi that passed by in the background? Lol
Blow off valve! Pshhh!
have your done the regear? I heard 4XE won’t work with gear more than 4.5. I wanted to go 4.56 but don’t know if this issue is resolved.
I don't believe the 4xe have been regeared.
Here i am waiting for my parts to arrive so that you guys can lift it for me...
Heck ya! Hurry up parts!!!
how did you mount the rtt directly from the base of rhino rack?
Gfc campers have a flush mount system.
What about a 4xe gladiator? Supposedly in 2024… might be worth the wait?
Apparently they cancelled that idea!
So is it possible to increase the power out of the 2 liter turbo without hurting the hybrid system...?
That's a good question, I have no idea. I'd assume it's still to early for hybrid tunes. But with more people getting them there might be a market for it very soon! It could be out already but I haven't heard of anything....
What size tires were put on the Sahara?
Those were 35x12.5r17
So when are you getting one?
I like shifting gears too much..... Lol
what drive shaft did they install?
It's a custom drive shaft from Pat's driveline in Surrey BC.
what blow off valve do you have?
The jeep belongs to Landen at Epic Adventure Outfitters. I'm not sure which blow off valve he's running....
What is the range of electric now it's lifted?
I think it's about 27 miles stock
He says he lost about 10 percent of his range. So that's about 3 miles less on full electric.
@@UnwindingRoads thanks, I missed that when I watched the video
@@edwardbanegas2153 it was a very quick mention. All the best!
What's the total height of this build?
I'll be heading over there in the next couple of days I'll check. You want to know with the rtt I'm assuming?
there just isnt enough plugs out in nature yet for me to get one lol
Hahahaha that's the beauty of these you can run it fully gas if you want. But apparently it's not great on fuel when you do that
@@UnwindingRoads i do dig the blue badges lol
@@UnwindingRoads I've done 700 mile trips to go wheelin. 18 mpg which isn't bad for a Rubicon... and you do still have the battery power when it is "out of battery". It reserves 15 percent to run as a hybrid (It's always a hybrid). We finally quit throwing it in 4 lo as the torque is really nice and we could power easily over intermittent obstacles. We did take extra fuel as we were a hundred miles from a gas station.
Can you plug in your electric coffee maker or fridge into the 4xe while camping? Or are the batteries exclusively for propulsion?
Stay tuned for part 2 where we plug in as many things as we can to drai the battery! Lol I actually don't know. I'll check!
I've had a Dometic fridge plugged in for two weeks. The 400 volt 17 kilowatt battery will keep the 12 volt battery charged with a built in DC/DC charger. There is no reason to run a duel battery set up in a 4xe.
It's limited in output like a standard 12V is, but it gets charged by the big battery, so it can go a good while before the ICE turns on.
I know I'm a bit late, but the 2024 model does exactly this with the new Power Box.
FIAT is doing a decent job with these but there are better things to spend money on that will produce better results offraod.... than having two powerplants and electronics that the typical consumer can't work on.
When I asked if it was the best platform for offroading the answer was no, the ecodiesel is still the best platform.... But as a do everything, it would be nice to get groceries and go to work for free essentially. Depending on how much it costs to charge in your area...
Just had mine for a month. Check engine light went on. Can’t start the car with remote start and cameras aren’t working :(
Ooooh no!! Was this on or offroad?
It just happened in the morning on my way to work. Turned on the car and check engine light went on. Cameras weren’t working and later on during the day I tried to start with remote and it turned on and turned off
God this is what scares me from the coolness of jeeps and had me still considering a Toyota. Sucks man
@@thomaskrutulis2289 my auxiliary coolant pump is failing
@12:42: Jerry Cans! Yeah right. How about those new PC plastic cans that require destructive disassembly to access the fuel? So, how's that tailgate gonna handle the weight of a 38" spare and 10 gallons of gas on something like Hole in the Rock; Rincon or Top of the World via Rose Garden Hill? My POS $1500 1987 XJ has done all that without Jerry cans. The clunker with 285K on the odometer was still getting 21mpg freeway and 14 mpg avg in 4 low before druggies stole it. $75,000 for what?
It's the future. I dont like it. But we can't stop it. These vehicles are not there yet. This is only the first plug in wrangler. I do think in the next 5 years or so it'll be able to go wheeling with out jerry cans. You really can't beat an old beater for wheeling.
4xE - Forksy?
What is forksy?
4 timezy
6:30 RIP headphone users.
I'm sorry! I should have double checked the audio level in that clip.
LOL It doesn't depend where you live.. It is 4 by e
boohoo. I'd rather get the diesel version
in terms of power and range, that's still the best platform i think....
@@UnwindingRoads but if yr overlanding and want more weight in rear its not for everyone. ecodiesel imo is for me
@@overlandjeepxj yes sorry I meant the ecodiesel is still the best platform. I think payload on the 4xe is only 850 lbs 😳
You lose a ton of space in the rear seat with the hybrid and you only get 25 miles to the charge… I have 2 Ecodiesel . 1 on 35s and 1 on 38s. They both get 25-30 mpg on the highway. Stock they get 31 highway. And they have more reliable power than the hybrid. This new hybrid is just a gimmick. Let me know when Jeep comes out with a full electric that has 400 mile range. Then we’ll talk. Lol
Locally gas just got more expensive than diesel again. I think the diesel is still the best option as well....
I test drove both the diesel and the 4XE. I was dead set on the diesel in blue because it had been out longer, but due to a few things I choose the 4XE. First, the difference in acceleration was much better in the 4XE. Car and Driver tested them both and the 4XE was a full two seconds faster to 0-60. That is significant and I felt it. Second, is the 4XE has more torque in general but at a lower RPM too since electric motors don't have to rev. I believe the specs have the 4XE over 30 pounds more torque which is a good bit. Third, most of our commutes are less than 30 miles a day. So we plug in when we go home and it cost $1.25 to charge it to go about 28 miles. In comparision, diesel cost $5.00 to go about 28 miles. That is significant over time...like 3.75 cents per DAY! Forth, with all the incentives, the 4XE was cheaper than the diesel I wanted. Fifth, if you add in the cost of diesel oil changes and DEF the difference in ownership is apparent. Right know we have 880 miles on the 4XE and have only used 6 gallons of gas, since we plug in daily and our commutes are usually under 30 miles. If I were driving over 60 miles a day, I would go with the 2.0T since it gets around 24 ish mpg and gas cost much less than diesel where I live. Everyones situation will be a little different.
show you how much this shop care about your car when they start drop stock parts on the flood like it's their.
The stock parts all go to the garbage. We can't sell them around here. Even free people don't take them.
Epic does a great job, the stock posts are just recycled so it doesn't matter if they get damaged in the process. Definitely where I'm going when I get lifted.