Interview with Jay Therrell (President of the WCA)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 มี.ค. 2023
- Rev. Jay Therrell has been at the forefront of advocacy for churches who want to disaffiliate from The United Methodist Church for years. He stands at the helm of the Wesleyan Covenant Association, which is acting to serve as a "midwife" for the Global Methodist Church. Jay is often maligned for representing part of the 'Reform and Renewal' coalition. In this conversation, Jeffrey directly asks him about a number of allegations made by different voices within the UMC. This is an opportunity to assess whether or not the behavior and words of a public figure match the caricature that is painted. Jay was very gracious with his time and energy. Thanks for giving of yourself, Jay!
A really excellent and informative conversation! I am a pastor of small UMC churches for fifteen years. My church is currently attempting to exit from the North Georgia conference and we are "fully engaged" with the process that is happening right now. This information and background is very valuable, as I'm from outside the fold and not always dialed in to what's going on. Thank you Jeffrey for your "Plain Spoken" and I would say fearless voice for conservatives. Thank you Rev. Therrell also for you fearlessness and your stand as a servant of Jesus and His church.
Your overlay is a little short on the right and bottom allowing the camera feeds to show from behind.
Thanks John! I’ll make sure it’s taken care of going forward
@@terryrayowensjr it probably only bothers me, who does the live stream for my church..... LOL
@@jabeavers I’m surprised I didn’t catch it, little stuff like that drives me insane as well 😂
@@jabeavers oh my, I wasn't going to say anything, guess what I help out with at church...😎
I can’t help thinking, based on the apparent contradiction of Scripture, that the ordination of women served as a stepping stone toward the “more enlightened” world view that was allowed to supersede the Word. I’m surprised you don’t acknowledge the possible connection.
Paul, I'm intentionally staying away from the women clergy thing. I'm interested in other conversations, and that one has a way of taking up all the air in the room. Maybe someday I'll turn to that, but for right now, I'd just rather not.
The UMC came 200 years after Wesley. The Methodist Movement was NEVER meant to be under a single institutional structure, the experiment of the UMC was always doomed to fail.
It seems to me that it was always meant to be under a single institutional structure, although perhaps it wasn't meant to be a denomination. But John Wesley ruled with and iron fist, as did Francis Asbury. It thrived under their leadership and shared vision for the doctrine and discipline and spirit of the church. It was only as the movement became an institution, democratized, and then started following the ways of the world that it lost momentum and began to get sclerotic.
I’d like to see a hard journalistic question asked like “ Centralization of power in the hands of a few people , especially in the hands of one “ special “ person ( bishop ) has been an unequivocal disaster for the American Methodist movement for 215 years and counting . . Methodism always seemed to work best when there was less autocracy and more lay involvement / equality . What makes you think this failed model will work in the 21st c GMC?
PS Term-limit bishops is a stop gap band-aid measure at Best to me which only serves to gloss over the need for someone/anyone to take this crucial question seriously
Yes, Natasha, I know your feelings about bishops. I, for better or worse, haven’t been able to share them. And I just don’t think I could have that conversation without getting boring. There are people who could enjoy that conversation a lot more than me. I start with the presupposition that power is supposed to be held by those given authority in the church, and that we need to have the right structure and culture in place to protect against that going wrong. But I’m familiar with other, more congregational, bodies, and I’m just not very passionate about that. But I’ll be glad to continue reading your comments, receiving your encouragement and critique. I’ve appreciated the ways that you’ve been able to validate our areas of overlap despite many areas in which we would disagree.
@@plainspokenpod Remrmber it’s not bishops per se , but bishops in the line of the unbiblical autocratic paradigm first put forth by the RCC, adopted by Henry VIII and his Church of England then appropriated by the Methodist Episcopal Church .
The New Testament obviously allows for bishops -but not in the sense that the RCC or the UMC thinks of them . Iow , when Timothy was bishop of Ephesus he wasn’t autocratically lording it over his constituents but instead was being the “ first servant .”
If you’re about to die you make sure you tell your loved ones the most important things you want them to hear . Consequently, that’s the reason the night before Jesus died he did just that by washing feet and warning that “ you shall not be like the gentiles who love lording it over others .” Consequently , I see the UMC episcopacy not only as a group process dysfunction of the highest order but also as disobedience to Christ himself .
So I’m not per se totally against bishops but if one going to have one one is going to have to forget this “ we are going back to how Methodism used to be “ nonsense because it always has been autocratic nonsense polity-wise and create a whole new thing , something that is based more upon a BIBLICAL paradigm of a bishop as “ first servant “ rather as someone who would step over his/her mother to have power as so many UMC bishops do today
@@plainspokenpod One last thing cuz I ran out of space : whether it was splitting over a bishop holding slaves in 1844 or a council of bishops chair taking you guys to the woodshed for being “ naughty not playing nice conservatives “ autocratic bishops ALWAYS make a good situation poorer, a poor situation bad, and a bad situation intolerable . I just can’t believe people would borrow such trouble , would see it all happen in front of their eyes and ask for more please as the GMC seems bound and determined to do smh.
You would think that in a Christian organization, there would be servant leadership.
@@stevewalker1021 You would think huh?
Among the MANY things that makes toxic autocratic leadership in a denomination that I haven’t even mentioned is that , unlike in the business world where you can get sued for some of that stuff, you can hide behind the “ religious freedom “ statutes to do whatever your Denomination allows