Another good fix it video for me to refer to if I ever have to fix an injector pump on a 3208 CAT. Keep up the good work. Thanks for posting & stay safe.
Wow, gotta love the modern age of the internet, just ask the internet and bam, you have these awesome guys making a video on the same pump I gotta wrench on. Thanks for the video
Nice job Jake. I thought I was the only one who tapped on a carb to free a stuck float. Works for injection pumps to I see. Those two tractors sure are good looking. You guys really keep them nice. Take care, See you next post.
Scott Viers thanks scott I appreciate it! Ya a little tap works a lot of times. On starters too. Although I have seen a guy take a 4lb baby sledge to a starter.......needless to say it still didn't start
I can remember (decades ago) when all pump work was done in a "white room" that was dust free and the guy wore gloves and had to be the most meticulous mechanic I've ever known... until you. Well done video Jake... nothing new to that though.
The roller cam turbocharged one's (last production run) were much better than earlier models. Cummins had pump problems also because of EPA fuel mandates. But if you're willing to chance it some two cycle fuel mix or transmission fluid added to your diesel fuel makes a big difference. Just trying to help.
Jake, almost fell out of my set a failure to launch but when it started just wiped the sweat from brow and said to myself you haven't let me down lol. Old engines can be a problem leaks that come over time could be a crack, bur, nick lots of fun.
that motor sounded good when you hit the throttle, one of my uncles had a few cat motors in his Oliver and his Stiegers a few years back. he was a great mechcanic also. the stieger dealer had one of those motors that was a mess brand new. so they made him a deal on the tractor. they gave him all the parts, and sold it to him cheap. all i remember was he had to change the crank in it. great video Jake, im impressed with your skills. love how you take care of your tractor.
he quit farming 25 years ago. he had a nice shop. when he built it.but it got to small as he got bigger. he worked for White in the 50s and 60s. and was a mechanic for air force. he was super clean and and paid attention to details just like you.
he worked on hydrolics in the air force. he would help my dad on his tractor. untill he got older. he was a big farmer at the time. in the early 70s he farmed 3000- 4000 acres but it was dry land.
Good videos,glad i came across it.i just bought a pilot boat with twin 3208 marine engines.i've never owned a V8 engines before,i find it complicated but it looks easy on the video.Got both of my engines flooded diesel on top of the pump & i just wipe it off.Thxs for the video,now i know its been leaking ":D lol
VP44 on the 24 valve cummins is cooled and lubed by fuel also. Me and lots others use 2 cycle to add to the fuel for lubricant purpose. The best 2 cycle to use is the cheap stuff from Walmart. I put in about a half quart per 20 gallons.
I do not like Allen bolts. glad you fixed this or the next hot dogs cooked on the motor might have had some diesel taste to them. thanks for the video Jake.
Nice! How many hours does that engine have on it? Them 3208s seem to have a bad reputation with truck guys. But any ag application seems to work good for them. I guess you either love them or hate them. Thanks for the video!
burningdinosaurs thanks ya it's a love hate relationship lol. We've got about 700 on an overhaul. This is the fourth fresh engine in this tractor lol. The last rebuild didn't need overhauled but we wanted to put a flat tappet cam in it. Roller cams are horrible in these engines. And turns out the reman guys had put 2 ring Pistons in a turbo engine so we went ahead and overhauled it winter of 14-15
Sounds great Jake. Hope the fuel stays in like it should. We have a 3208 cat in a silage chopper and we are working on the radiator which you will probably see shortly. So odd question, do you know what the dimensions are of your radiator?
Boehm Farm thanks I've seen a video or two of that chopper. I know the radiator is specific to a white tractor. Several years ago we got a new one for it and found a place that got an exact match a lot cheaper than agco. I think the place was called effingham radiator In effingham Illinois
Those cat v-8's put a grin on my face, despite their "bad reputation" mainly from people that didn't know how to run them..they were a good unit if they weren't used for more than what they were built for.
Old Iron Farming ya they ain't to bad the worst trouble we had is the roller lifters gave trouble several times. One time it cracked the block when the lifter jammed.............so when I rebuilt this engine in winter of 14-15 we put a flat lifters and cam in it
Jake Ziegler Huh, good to know. Wasn't aware that it was an issue with the 3208's. Though I have seen a few motors shear the key on the roller lifters and spin them.
Old Iron Farming that's what happens is the little crappy cheap clips cat used to keep them from turning breaks then the lifter turns sideways and chews the cam up. Only the 250hp+ models had roller lifters. The 225hp 3208 would be the best because it had flat lifters. We put the 225 hp flat cam and lifters in our 250 engine and there was no difference on the dyno. We ordered a new cam from cat
Landmark cattle thanks man! Yes they do. Originally they would just throw them away but since they were so popular everybody and there mother started making parts and rebuilding them.
Landmark cattle ya buddy they're throw away. Some people will bore them out and machine liners and bigger pistons to throw in. But sometimes that can cost more then the engine...they're phenomenal motors though.
Capjohnson.mike in my experience they were referred to as throw away because they are a nonliner engine. The cost of getting them bored out was expensive due to the weight and V block configuration. But I might be wrong.
I know this is old but I have 3208 and it starts right up if I spray with starting fluid and will stay running all day but if you turn it off it will not start on its own
I acquired a distaste for working on cat stuff after helping my neighbor put a cat skid loader back together last winter for one of his customers. It was in pieces after the guy that started the job passed away from a heart attack. It had a cat branded Perkins in it that had the pin fall out of the grenade in the oil pan and getting info on it from Fabick was like pulling teeth. I don't know why all their service info is such a secret. It pretty well took Caterpillar off my prospective equipment list. I know deere isn't your favorite but at least you can look up parts online and get books from them or the internet fairly easily.
I too am worried about what this new dryer fuel is doing to my old engines. Are you adding anything to the fuel to offset the problem? I was told to add some engine oil in the fuel to help with lubing the pump. Great video as always will be waiting for the next one thanks for posting.
Hey nice video, quick question , mines leaking out that small hose as well , I was told the pump needs rebuilt , but your saying I just need to do that seal kit on the top ?
Brian voigt depends on which hose. I think there’s 3. One hose is for this job which the seals will fix. One is for bleeding the pump. And I can’t remember the third
Jake Ziegler thanks . Yea there’s two small hoses one has a valve and that one don’t leak unless you open the valve , but it’s the line closest to drivers side on top of pump . I appreciate the response
I don't think the predecessors to the 3208 were called "3160's or 3150's". I believe the correct name is "1160" and "1150" I owned several 1160's with a much better (oil lubed) injector pump.
Can you imagine a Cat 3208 having problems? Lol I have one in the grain truck. So far it's been pretty good. Knock on wood. It'll probably throw a rod now that I've said that
Jake, would it be possible for you to give me some guidance? I’m working on a cat 3208 that’s been sitting for about four or five years. The fuel shut off solenoid appears to be working fine, however, the little thing that it pushes in the top of the injector pump was stuck in the down position, I did get it moving up and down but it does not feel that it’s spring loaded in either direction. When I pull up on it it stays up when I push down on it it stays down, is that the way it’s supposed to respond or should it be spring loaded in one direction or the other? Also, I was thinking about taking that top plate off like you did in cleaning it out and freeing things up. What are your recommendations and where should I start? As a sidenote, I’m not a mechanic just mechanically inclined… Thanks, Mark
There is no spring it’s just weighted to open when the fuel shut off pulls up. Sounds like it just needs taken apart and cleaned up. If I were u I would do everything I did in the video. Clean it up and put new seals in it. Then it should work fine. That little flapper should move freely tho
@@jakeziegler599 thank you so much for the guidance, is there a particular seal kit that I would need to ask for at caterpillar that would provide just those gaskets like you used in the video? Also, is there a particular cleaner that you used or should I just use a typical parts/carburetor cleaner to clean it up?
@@TheMarkSeguin you will probably have to order the parts individually. I’d take it apart first and go to cat and match the parts up. Take the engine serial number and arrangement number because will want that to look parts up for your engine. Ya just solvent is fine
@@TheMarkSeguin you will probably have to order the parts individually. I’d take it apart first and go to cat and match the parts up. Take the engine serial number and arrangement number because will want that to look parts up for your engine. Ya just solvent is fine
I have a 3208 in my dump truck and it locked up a couple weeks ago. I pulled the oil pan and rocker covers looking for indications of what happened there’s no shrapnel inside the engine, it was idling with great oil pressure and not over heating when it happened. Any ideas ??
Jake Ziegler no not even backwards with breaker bar and pipe. Also removed the starter to eliminate that possibility all belts are also off. First thought was a broken timing chain but with some research I found out there is no chain.
We have a cat 3208 engine that won't start, we have hand pumped fuel and bled each injector till fuel leaks out. When we crank engine we get no smoke or very little smoke from exhaust. We hear the fuel solenoid click, we assume it is releasing. After watching this video what was this engine doing before you pull top off fuel injector pump and replaced gaskets and seals?
Clark Boyd I would take the solenoid off and make sure the little lever in there isn’t stuck. We’ve had them stick before. The only reason I did this repair was to fix a fuel leak that only leaked when it was running
Hi Jake I have a cat 3208 sat for 3 years and will not start in my prosses of looking I see that the Cam Shafts for the shut off are stuck I don't see why system is clean they will move but with a great deal of force either way I see in you video they are easy to move as I suspected. can it be some kind of hydro lock have you seen this problem ? I am at a loss Please will you get back to me Thanks Todd K
@@jakeziegler599 Do you think a a stuck plunger will cause this ? can I clean them with out removing them I ordered the tool and I can not afford a Pump
Yea don't want to have to eat diesel flavored manifold hot dogs. I hate the male star fasteners. Deutz engines have them all over, had to give the snap on guy my lunch money for a year to get a set.
Another good fix it video for me to refer to if I ever have to fix an injector pump on a 3208 CAT. Keep up the good work. Thanks for posting & stay safe.
crslyrn thanks for watching! Repair with cation not everything is done per the book lol
Wow, gotta love the modern age of the internet, just ask the internet and bam, you have these awesome guys making a video on the same pump I gotta wrench on. Thanks for the video
Good job Jake! You are a great mechanic and farmer ! That's why I enjoy watching your videos! Thanks for sharing!
ScottyRockTrains thanks scotty I appreciate it! Thanks for watching
Nice job Jake. I thought I was the only one who tapped on a carb to free a stuck float. Works for injection pumps to I see. Those two tractors sure are good looking. You guys really keep them nice. Take care, See you next post.
Scott Viers thanks scott I appreciate it! Ya a little tap works a lot of times. On starters too. Although I have seen a guy take a 4lb baby sledge to a starter.......needless to say it still didn't start
I can remember (decades ago) when all pump work was done in a "white room" that was dust free and the guy wore gloves and had to be the most meticulous mechanic I've ever known... until you. Well done video Jake... nothing new to that though.
Bill Whitman ya I know lol. It would be nice to have a room like that for fuel work
pretty neat I talk to an old guy the rebuilt carbs for years and he said the most important thing was keep things clean lol Thanks for the vid Jake
AndersonCattleCo. Yep same here lol. Thanks for watching
Good job Jake as always you know your stuff.
joe tiller thanks joe!
The roller cam turbocharged one's (last production run) were much better than earlier models. Cummins had pump problems also because of EPA fuel mandates. But if you're willing to chance it some two cycle fuel mix or transmission fluid added to your diesel fuel makes a big difference. Just trying to help.
Jake, almost fell out of my set a failure to launch but when it started just wiped the sweat from brow and said to myself you haven't let me down lol. Old engines can be a problem leaks that come over time could be a crack, bur, nick lots of fun.
roger wilson haha well I'm glad I didn't let u down! Ya they do get leaky from time to time. Thanks for watching!
that motor sounded good when you hit the throttle, one of my uncles had a few cat motors in his Oliver and his Stiegers a few years back. he was a great mechcanic also. the stieger dealer had one of those motors that was a mess brand new. so they made him a deal on the tractor. they gave him all the parts, and sold it to him cheap. all i remember was he had to change the crank in it. great video Jake, im impressed with your skills. love how you take care of your tractor.
Howard Younger thanks bud! They sure do sound good! Cool I bet that was quite the project does he still have the steiger
he quit farming 25 years ago. he had a nice shop. when he built it.but it got to small as he got bigger. he worked for White in the 50s and 60s. and was a mechanic for air force. he was super clean and and paid attention to details just like you.
Howard Younger if he worked for the Air Force he's got a lot on me lol. That's cool he worked for white
he worked on hydrolics in the air force. he would help my dad on his tractor. untill he got older. he was a big farmer at the time. in the early 70s he farmed 3000- 4000 acres but it was dry land.
Great video my tractor has those damn bolts they drive me crazy have a good day
robert Jackson haha thanks u too
Good videos,glad i came across it.i just bought a pilot boat with twin 3208 marine engines.i've never owned a V8 engines before,i find it complicated but it looks easy on the video.Got both of my engines flooded diesel on top of the pump & i just wipe it off.Thxs for the video,now i know its been leaking ":D lol
Hey Jake , respect on the detailed video! What were the symptoms associated with that leak?
Thanks for the informative video.
Chuck Stevenson thanks for watching
VP44 on the 24 valve cummins is cooled and lubed by fuel also. Me and lots others use 2 cycle to add to the fuel for lubricant purpose. The best 2 cycle to use is the cheap stuff from Walmart. I put in about a half quart per 20 gallons.
oldfarmer ok thanks for the info
Man thats cool! I have never seen a pump like that style. Sounds like an ol 6.5 Detroit in a way lol but a much better engine!
Ford Farmer thanks! Ya it doesn't kinda but yes better
Nice work Jake
larsonvalleyfarm thanks!
I do not like Allen bolts. glad you fixed this or the next hot dogs cooked on the motor might have had some diesel taste to them. thanks for the video Jake.
Soybean Farmer I don't either if u couldn't tell. Haha yes ur right I can't have that! Thanks for watching sf
nice job jake!
Michigan Farming thanks
Nice! How many hours does that engine have on it? Them 3208s seem to have a bad reputation with truck guys. But any ag application seems to work good for them. I guess you either love them or hate them. Thanks for the video!
burningdinosaurs thanks ya it's a love hate relationship lol. We've got about 700 on an overhaul. This is the fourth fresh engine in this tractor lol. The last rebuild didn't need overhauled but we wanted to put a flat tappet cam in it. Roller cams are horrible in these engines. And turns out the reman guys had put 2 ring Pistons in a turbo engine so we went ahead and overhauled it winter of 14-15
Sounds great Jake. Hope the fuel stays in like it should. We have a 3208 cat in a silage chopper and we are working on the radiator which you will probably see shortly. So odd question, do you know what the dimensions are of your radiator?
Boehm Farm thanks I've seen a video or two of that chopper. I know the radiator is specific to a white tractor. Several years ago we got a new one for it and found a place that got an exact match a lot cheaper than agco. I think the place was called effingham radiator In effingham Illinois
Dad is talking to a guy at a tractor salvage on the phone about a 4 150 radiator. The measurements he's getting back are very close.
Boehm Farm that's sized for a 180hp 3208 so it should have the capacity of urs is 180 or less
Those cat v-8's put a grin on my face, despite their "bad reputation" mainly from people that didn't know how to run them..they were a good unit if they weren't used for more than what they were built for.
Old Iron Farming ya they ain't to bad the worst trouble we had is the roller lifters gave trouble several times. One time it cracked the block when the lifter jammed.............so when I rebuilt this engine in winter of 14-15 we put a flat lifters and cam in it
Jake Ziegler Huh, good to know. Wasn't aware that it was an issue with the 3208's. Though I have seen a few motors shear the key on the roller lifters and spin them.
Where did you find the cam and flat lifters? Some models had them?
Old Iron Farming that's what happens is the little crappy cheap clips cat used to keep them from turning breaks then the lifter turns sideways and chews the cam up. Only the 250hp+ models had roller lifters. The 225hp 3208 would be the best because it had flat lifters. We put the 225 hp flat cam and lifters in our 250 engine and there was no difference on the dyno. We ordered a new cam from cat
Any chance of getting the part #'s or is it to late cause the yellow bags are in the circle file?
Great video, jake! Do they have rebuild kits for the 3208? I've heard they are throw away engine when they're worn out
Landmark cattle thanks man! Yes they do. Originally they would just throw them away but since they were so popular everybody and there mother started making parts and rebuilding them.
Landmark cattle ya buddy they're throw away. Some people will bore them out and machine liners and bigger pistons to throw in. But sometimes that can cost more then the engine...they're phenomenal motors though.
Capjohnson.mike in my experience they were referred to as throw away because they are a nonliner engine.
The cost of getting them bored out was expensive due to the weight and V block configuration. But I might be wrong.
Big thumbs up!!
Rhino Wrecker thanks!
You could probably get some fuel additive for lubrication. Or put some oil in the fuel?
Vicki Poe how do u think oil would do? We've thought about it before
I know this is old but I have 3208 and it starts right up if I spray with starting fluid and will stay running all day but if you turn it off it will not start on its own
I acquired a distaste for working on cat stuff after helping my neighbor put a cat skid loader back together last winter for one of his customers. It was in pieces after the guy that started the job passed away from a heart attack. It had a cat branded Perkins in it that had the pin fall out of the grenade in the oil pan and getting info on it from Fabick was like pulling teeth. I don't know why all their service info is such a secret. It pretty well took Caterpillar off my prospective equipment list. I know deere isn't your favorite but at least you can look up parts online and get books from them or the internet fairly easily.
Dale Cornelius ya cat don't like to let info out. I guess they think one should just bring stuff into them to work on it
I too am worried about what this new dryer fuel is doing to my old engines. Are you adding anything to the fuel to offset the problem? I was told to add some engine oil in the fuel to help with lubing the pump. Great video as always will be waiting for the next one thanks for posting.
SSnyder Trucking thanks man! We haven't done that but every one is saying that so I'll prolly try it
Hey nice video, quick question , mines leaking out that small hose as well , I was told the pump needs rebuilt , but your saying I just need to do that seal kit on the top ?
Brian voigt depends on which hose. I think there’s 3. One hose is for this job which the seals will fix. One is for bleeding the pump. And I can’t remember the third
Jake Ziegler thanks . Yea there’s two small hoses one has a valve and that one don’t leak unless you open the valve , but it’s the line closest to drivers side on top of pump . I appreciate the response
I don't think the predecessors to the 3208 were called "3160's or 3150's". I believe the correct name is "1160" and "1150" I owned several 1160's with a much better (oil lubed) injector pump.
Can you imagine a Cat 3208 having problems? Lol I have one in the grain truck. So far it's been pretty good. Knock on wood. It'll probably throw a rod now that I've said that
Wesley K hahaha I know right??? I've always heard they were decent in trucks because they didn't get lugged all day
Jake, would it be possible for you to give me some guidance? I’m working on a cat 3208 that’s been sitting for about four or five years.
The fuel shut off solenoid appears to be working fine, however, the little thing that it pushes in the top of the injector pump was stuck in the down position, I did get it moving up and down but it does not feel that it’s spring loaded in either direction. When I pull up on it it stays up when I push down on it it stays down, is that the way it’s supposed to respond or should it be spring loaded in one direction or the other? Also, I was thinking about taking that top plate off like you did in cleaning it out and freeing things up. What are your recommendations and where should I start?
As a sidenote, I’m not a mechanic just mechanically inclined…
Thanks,
Mark
There is no spring it’s just weighted to open when the fuel shut off pulls up. Sounds like it just needs taken apart and cleaned up. If I were u I would do everything I did in the video. Clean it up and put new seals in it. Then it should work fine. That little flapper should move freely tho
@@jakeziegler599 thank you so much for the guidance, is there a particular seal kit that I would need to ask for at caterpillar that would provide just those gaskets like you used in the video? Also, is there a particular cleaner that you used or should I just use a typical parts/carburetor cleaner to clean it up?
@@TheMarkSeguin you will probably have to order the parts individually. I’d take it apart first and go to cat and match the parts up. Take the engine serial number and arrangement number because will want that to look parts up for your engine. Ya just solvent is fine
@@TheMarkSeguin you will probably have to order the parts individually. I’d take it apart first and go to cat and match the parts up. Take the engine serial number and arrangement number because will want that to look parts up for your engine. Ya just solvent is fine
@@jakeziegler599 Thank you so much for all your advice in guidance!
I have a 3208 in my dump truck and it locked up a couple weeks ago. I pulled the oil pan and rocker covers looking for indications of what happened there’s no shrapnel inside the engine, it was idling with great oil pressure and not over heating when it happened. Any ideas ??
David Wright it won’t turn over at all? With a breaker bar and pipe?
Jake Ziegler no not even backwards with breaker bar and pipe. Also removed the starter to eliminate that possibility all belts are also off. First thought was a broken timing chain but with some research I found out there is no chain.
David Wright ya all gears no chain. I know those engines are kind of known to spin bearings so I’d pull the caps off and see.
We have a cat 3208 engine that won't start, we have hand pumped fuel and bled each injector till fuel leaks out. When we crank engine we get no smoke or very little smoke from exhaust. We hear the fuel solenoid click, we assume it is releasing. After watching this video what was this engine doing before you pull top off fuel injector pump and replaced gaskets and seals?
Clark Boyd I would take the solenoid off and make sure the little lever in there isn’t stuck. We’ve had them stick before. The only reason I did this repair was to fix a fuel leak that only leaked when it was running
I have a 3208 in my motorhome and it's leaking so pulling the top off I don't have to worry about the timing ?
Correct
Do you ever throw an additive like Marvel Mystery oil in the diesel?
Jack Johnson no I haven't. What's the mix ratio?
Jake Ziegler A can whenever you think about it lol. I don't think there is a set one.
Jack Johnson oh haha I suppose we could dump it in the farm diesel tank
Jake Ziegler That or just the 4-210's
Jack Johnson ya I suppose some would be better than none
And do u remember the seal kit part number?
No I don’t. I Just ordered the parts individually. Any cat dealer could get it
Hi Jake I have a cat 3208 sat for 3 years and will not start in my prosses of looking I see that the Cam Shafts for the shut off are stuck I don't see why system is clean they will move but with a great deal of force either way I see in you video they are easy to move as I suspected. can it be some kind of hydro lock have you seen this problem ? I am at a loss Please will you get back to me Thanks Todd K
Sounds like they are slightly bent. And binding up. I don’t know what would’ve caused that tho
@@jakeziegler599 Do you think a a stuck plunger will cause this ? can I clean them with out removing them I ordered the tool and I can not afford a Pump
@@toddk709 I could it’s been several years since I’ve had one apart. Has your engine been sitting a while?
yes 3 years
@@toddk709 when u get that 35 point socket take the delivery valves out and see if they are stuck
Yea don't want to have to eat diesel flavored manifold hot dogs. I hate the male star fasteners. Deutz engines have them all over, had to give the snap on guy my lunch money for a year to get a set.
PA Farms ya that wouldn't taste good lol. I don't blame u I hate all except hex head! Ya them dang tools ain't cheap
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