Street Epistemology: Cherry | Shifting Faith
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- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Recorded: 18 October 2017
Released: 26 October 2017
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Summary: Cherry is a Christian and has had lifelong experiences that lead her to conclude that her God is real. When pressed, the reason she is able to say that her belief is true is because of faith. However, Cherry curiously shifts faith from being a necessary component during the belief formation process to something you receive after you believe in the God.
Mistakes: My regular black hat was in my luggage, which was delayed coming from London to Houston after QEDcon, hence the temporary new cap.
Recorded w/Go-Pro. Edited w/PowerDirector.
The views addressed here are mine and mine alone, and are not necessarily shared by members of my family and friends.
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If people find it hard to listen to the entire talk (I know I did, but I listened anyway) make sure to at least listen to Anthony's summary at the end. It really ties it all together and he makes some very good points.
Although it is sometimes realy hard to listen to, but not because they make weird claims, stupid arguments, because we all do that to some extend, but sometimes I see my former self in their answers, and I feel ashemed, that it took me 19 years to come to the conclusion that there (with ha high chance) is no deity.
Ok it didn't take me 19 years but 2 from the first doubts to fully examined the dogmat I was tought, but some of them now seem so childish (especially those on a personal expariance level), that it buggs me a bit that I hold them until I was around 17/18.
@@alberich3099 . 47 years here. I just hope I can get this shit out of my head before I die.
31:40
yeah, lost count of how many times i wanted to say "okay boomer"
Too full of herself too listen to, sorry to say
the less you know, the more confident you are
It is so sad to see a nice person like Cherry be so thoroughly brainwashed like that.
She believes in zombies because she wants to
“Am I gonna kill somebody with Christianity? No. I’m gonna love em to death!”
Oops.
Alternate title:
Picking apart Cherry's Cherry picking.
Anthony, I wish I had a fraction of the patience you had. Your method of interacting with the religious is refreshing.
This Lady is batshit crazy . Even Anthony nearly loses it a couple of times. I love your work Dude.
her definition of faith keeps changing
you need faith to believe but if you believe totally you don't need faith so have faith that god will enter your heart and you won't need faith anymore, but faith will help. clear?
She walked away, prayed, and some guy named Andrew found his lost faith in Jesus.😀
Your patience is amazing.
Jaraal Wallace. Right?! I am watching from my home and i wanted to vomit the entire time!
This conversation in a nutshell:
"Do you ever question your belief in God?"
"Not anymore.."
I always like it when you give your thoughts at the end of the talk.
It's spelled jod not god. 😂
Oh my god Anthony. Thank you for the skip time mark.
Jonathan Young Lol you are welcome. I did assure her I would listen to her examples at the start, but yeah, feel free to skip past those.
I am interested in why you would skip such an important part? I mean, the basic question of SE is "how can you be so sure"? This was her answer to the question "I have seen miracles with my own eyes". I fail to see how is it in the spirit of genuinly trying to find out the truth and the answer to "how can you be sure?" if you outright dismiss and skip the answer(for whatever reason I guess)..
Please someone explain to me how skipping her answer is beneficial to finding the truth? I got the feeling, even from your summary, Anthony, that you have outright rismissed that as a nonsense.
And I mean if I saw on my own eyes, clear as day, that a cloudiness from a blind persons eyes would disappear and they would see, I would be awstruck. And is quite understandable that person already accepting the existence of God would find stong faith in that moment. I would probably reacted differently, because of my sceptical nature, but that is not the point, right? the point is why are they sure, not me.
@@tomasvojvoda8420 Do you think everyone watches these videos for the same reasons you do?
@@tomasvojvoda8420 - Because there is nothing we have not heard... it's the same old stuff.... and all hearsay.
Point remains - God does miracles for Christians, but kids are still dying of starvation.
@@tomasvojvoda8420 because on this channel, I or we are not interested in 'testimony' but rather epistemology. The Q&A is why I come here, so thank you Anthony for the skip time heads up! Cheers
" I'll pray for you"
"Thanks, I'll think for you"
"i'll pray for you"
"thanks, i'll run from you"
After someone says ill pray for you I say "and ill be logical and rational for you"
@@e.jamesshepard7183 I like it. How about when someone says "have a blessed day" as you're saying goodbye.
Anthony , I loved how u didn’t fall for the “I will make u insecure about ur life by offering to pray for you” trap. There is something “superior” and patronizing about these “Christian acts of kindness”.
Right. The cringe 😬 is too much for me to handle!
Seriously, the older someone is the more stubborn and unwillingness to question anything because of the fear that their entire past has been a lie.
Can you imagine a majority of these people just like this serve on juries.
@@1weirddoe571 Scary.
That and the death clock is running low on time. They're scared.
It took me until about 20 minutes in until I understood what "shifting faith" meant in the title. Cherry reminds me of my mom a little bit. She' seems happy with who she is. As far as my mom goes she's going to be 82 next month, so I leave her alone. Church is a big part of both my parent's lives. They're Methodists so their beliefs are pretty liberal. Cherry seems very comfortable with her beliefs. She's probably got a strong social group in her church too.
Agreed, this is my mom also. We simply don't discuss religion. When she brings it up I just smile and wait patiently to change the subject; to do anything else would only create barriers, and no matter how gentle I am she would see it as a personal attack and feel hurt by it. She's built her entire life around her faith; at this late stage of the game, there's just no point trying to challenge it. It would be like trying to introduce an eagle to the wild after it had been raised and kept in captivity for 90% of its natural life. I mean, what's the point?
A3Kr0n my grandma told me that she's happy with her marriage to God
i've said elsewhere in these vids, my ex girlfriend is schizophrenic and it only took me one week to realise "you're imagining things" doesn't cut any ice. unless she's doing something harmful there's no point in calling out every little delusion. she was in total denial when we first met but i tried to explain that there is a theory of multiple universes, and that i don't always see what she sees, so to try and consult with me when she feels threatened, and i've had to use my own SE style to wheedle things out of her, she's still hard work, but at least we can talk about her mental health without psychotic episodes. if you can step back from wanting "truth", talking like anthony does can yield interesting results, people and their beliefs are fascinating.
You have great pacing with your words and questions. I'm sometimes tripping over my words. I think practise makes perfect.
WOW!! Listen up everyone we've got one here with a direct line to god. This could very well be it, the day I become a believer. Hold on let me get a soda and popcorn.
Damn it! Evidently there was static on the line and god's message came out garbled again. Man, he needs to get that fixed.
ole9421 Nope the static is not good (e.g. car accident) therefore it was not god. God is only good. Maybe you had a direct line to Satan? Btw can I get his number?
Haha. Yep, this'll be the one to change all of our minds.
You deserve a medal in patience for this one, Anthony!
This lady sounds like the majority of my maternal family.
17:27 "I don't know how someone can say their god is loving if he wants to kill everybody that doesn't accept their law." She was talking about those who live by the Quran. Now I'm not a biblical scholar by any means, but I'm pretty sure there's some irony in this statement.
well in a way god is going to kill us all, isn't he? i hate to be pedantic, but, you know.
and i'm going to burn alive every day in hell cos i'm a sinner, it's okay for god not to love everybody, cos, you know, he's, well, god. and we are his toy box.
Heh. It seems like Christians completely omit half The Bible in their study sessions ^_^
@@HarryNicNicholas If I might just point out, you don't hate being pedantic. I know, because it's tremendous fun ;)
She waffles on about Mohammed wanting to destroy everybody that doesn’t follow him but that’s EXACTLY the message of Jesus! Does she not read the Bible?
Thanks for the time mark to skip. I find many of the personal stories the same and I really want to hear the discussion. Keep adding those as necessary.
What a lovely genuine person Cherry is... this approach of thought in conversation is very nice. So much better than an argument
Good SE . You at least got her to say at 29:00 ' How do we know anything ? ' then at
29:58 'God loves when we question. He's not afraid. He's big enough to handle it. ' ....
Demonstrating a positivity toward questioning. Albeit, for those who are strong and can handle it.
Good job staying cool when she touched you.
Ought to be on their business card more, that quote...
And also that she clearly has never studied the bible
I like how you handled it when when wanted to pray for you. That would have made me cringe and either get cold or cave and just let her do it to get rid of her. Nice work!
grabbing my arm would've yielded poor results too, i hate it when people assume friendliness."oh your so lovely i just want to smooch you" "no lady, bugger off".
I know that was difficult to get through. i would not have been able to listen to her for long, awesome work you are doing, it is helping me learn how to talk to people of this mental state.
"God is love"
Genesis have you read it?
Eve eats from the tree of knowledge of good and evil because the serpent says (I'm paraphrasing) "God lied to you, idk why but girl its just an apple"
Eve: "well I like apples" Crunch* "A Yo Adam you wanna apple!"
Adam: "Sure, pass it...mmm...Wait..Eve where did you get the apple?"
Eve: "That tree over there"
Adam "-_____-"
God walks in to find the two lovelies naked "Hey I'm home simpletons...wait a minute..why yall nude?...0_0 yall ate from the tree....Adam you shall return to the dust of which i formed you. Eve you and every women hence forth shall have a long painful pregnancy"
Yea Gods a real nice guy...
Jealous love and possessive love are both kind of loves... awkward to remain pigeonholed in such definitions, if so.
Uh, no. He walks in to find them hiding their nakedness.
You summed it up nicely at the end.
My head is spinning with all the irony!
Mohsin Khan you and me both. I was like, "does she realize she's describing herself?"
Anthony, I want to thank you for sharing your experiences with us. I am learning a lot about people thanks to you.
When I was younger I use to love engaging with religious people and questioning their beliefs. Around the time I got to 40 or I started to just get annoyed. Occasionally I talk about religious beliefs with people. I share that I'm an atheist and answer questions. I'm not invested in these conversations. I'm set in my ways now. Maybe I'm the atheist version of this lady.
She's seen people raised from the dead? She admitted she didn't actually see the first instance she mentioned but then said she knew of a lot of people raised from the dead. I wonder why these resurrections only happen in third world countries with no medical verification. Though she seemed like a really nice lady, it's hard to listen to someone so smug in their belief that their religion is the only true way.
i like how she says "it happens all the time" kinda take the miracle out of miraculous if it's common.
Theocracy is the lattice that structures her reality. She had tied every observation she had made to it. This can be extremely difficult to see through, when you have never known any thing else.
In such cases, Occam's razor would suggest that the far simpler explanation that requires only one assumption that death was not the correct diagnosis is far more plausible than all of the assumptions necessary to make the magic sky fairy did it hypothesis work (ie Sky fairy exists, is willing, is capable etc is 3 unfounded assumptions just for starters) all being true.
The arrogance of ‘praying for someone’ and the ‘laying on of hands’ sickens me and this poor lady can’t even see it. And what of the thousands of other sick villagers who didn’t get such treatment? Presumably the Lord just considers that they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
"They believe that if you don't believe in their God, you should DIE. Am I going to say you should die if you don't believe in Christianity? No, I'm gonna love'em to DEATH."
"He loves it when we question him"
"Do you questionHim?"
"No"
So, she doesn't show love to God?
I'm confused.
Stews Replay when God speaks to you there is no reason to question Him. God said " I will guide you " so she never questioned Him -|-
@@jeziscricket4448 But the point being, how do I know its God, thus these Videos.
Fantastic response to her asking to pray
I would've quit so early at the conversation.
I wonder if it'd help to use finer-point dry-erase markers. It seems like you run out of space on the board quickly.
Love your recaps afterward. They’re very helpful for me, to have you summarize the points that stood out to you!
The most interesting part of the conversation for me was when she said she had really bad arthritis which led her to seek out a healing ministry and followed by saying she, had found, and was attending one without the intention of being healed. For me that's very curious and doesn't make much sense.
“I know everything because Jesus Christ”
That logic tho.
My favorite part was "Believing in Jesus Christ gives me faith" and at the same time "You need faith to believe in Jesus Christ." Hmmmmmm...
One thing we atheists forget, and that I find fascinating considering I used to do this when I was a Christian.. is that when someone like this is talking to you they think their very words are guided by the Lord AND they cannot allow themselves to think for themselves or question anything because THE LORD IS LISTENING. Anytime I would have doubts I would feel so guilty and beg the Lord for forgiveness. It was only when I realized that if God is so real then not only should he not be offended by my questioning but the very act of questioning should lead me to answers that would allow me to be ever more certain.. but alas many of these questions are unanswerable.. one is only left to shrug and say "God works in mysterious ways". And when pressed most Christians won't truly be satisfied with that answer.
Would you say that you were terrorized that you would go to hell if you questioned?
@@1weirddoe571 Sort of. I didn't believe that I'd go to hell just for questioning but I was afraid that if I questioned too much or if my questions didn't have answers then I would mistakenly become an atheist and thus go to hell. lol. But mostly it was simply so hard to shake the fact that I "knew" god was probably reading my every thought so it became this prison where god (aka my own mind acting as a filter and talking to itself) was the "thought police" that prevented me from being able to think freely and clearly.
@@Xplorer228, right. what about something bad will happen to you, let's say or daily, were you terrorized about that like all these god or karma people are?
@@1weirddoe571 No. I didn't think something bad would happen to me daily if I questioned. I mistakenly believed the God of the Bible was loving and all that. I just was scared he would disapprove of me and wanted to be a loyal slave basically. And I was scared of discovering I wouldn't live eternity in heaven with all my love ones. It was actually some of the Christian tenants like honesty that made me decide that I wanted to know the truth no matter what.
@@Xplorer228, how have you been managing the fact of death now since you are no longer Terrorized. I'm having a hard time with it. I don't want to die.
At 35:13 you say you’re not certain she will go away and give it much further thought. If she doesn’t think deeply after having this type of conversation then there is no hope for her. This is a masterclass in SE. Having the patience to sit through 10 minutes of her rambling stories whilst picking out little details and remembering points she had made in there, and then using them later in the conversation is a real skill. I don’t think there’s much more you could have done here and you can hear in the last 10 minutes the cogs slowly start to turn as she struggles in vain to explain her beliefs. Well done.
Faith as a reward for your belief and as a means to maintain a belief sounds vaguely (actually precisely) circular.
Oh, the title is "shifting" faith. For a moment there...
Great talk. There's an incredible amount of confirmation bias going on in her life. Good job putting her at ease and getting the interview.
Enjoyed your remarks after the conversation. Thanks for that!
This was good! I like how you took her call for a prayer as an opportunity to ask more questions. Smart.
"And I will give you one more example". I literally jumped for the stop button.
Personally I can't stand these stories of 'god healed my arthritis for 3 days' and so on. How many kids died of cancer or starvation during those 3 days of relief? How many people were brutally murdered in that time? How many injustices occurred in the world in general when he was so attentive to an old womans joint inflammation????
God really loves doing miracles in the "bush'! lol
A less than optimal conversation that was saved by your excellent summary at the end. I do feel that you should reconsider your policy of not immediately sharing the address to your TH-cam channel. That might be a good idea at times, but in cases like this, I do feel that Cherry would benefit from hearing her words again from a third person perspective. Otherwise she will probably describe this conversation to her friends as a great success for her reasoning skills. She won't remember that she made that faith switch. In her mind her faith got challenged by an unbeliever who wouldn't even accept her praying for him, and by lord did she give him the right answers!
MrBallefjongen If she emails me and asks I will be more than happy to direct her to my channel. The ball is in her court.
You structured that conversation very well Anthony. From little things big things grow.
At least up to 12:40, she seems that her role here is to proselytize and push her beliefs as opposed to discussing why she believes.
I’m afraid whenever I hear someone say ‘The Lord’ in such a matter of fact way my heart sinks. People have fought wars to free themselves from the tyranny of kings and lords etc. but for religious folk it’s ‘bring it on!’
Great chat!
I felt like she might have thought that any talk about faith and god must be contentious, heated....
No... No...
Not always...
Telling your point of view should not be something that needs to be couched in "this is my special thing that deserves no second looks...
Even god said seek and ye shall find...
What are we supposed to be afraid of finding if we ask the right questions that cuase us to expand our personal understanding of the world.
Cheers to All!!
In a roundabout way she just explained confirmation bias, though I'm not convinced that she understands that.
The shadow of that person pulling up plants was a surreal little background activity.
Thanks for posting the time to skip over her experiences.
25:43
"Now remember, you're talking to an artist."
Cherry needn't worry. A person tends not to forget an encounter with a flimflam artist.
jeffersonianideal I bet her art just is unicorns and bunnies! and butterflies!! LOL...
It's been 2 years since Cherry said she would pray for Anthony. I may be mistaken but I don't think Anthony has found God. This makes me conclude that either Cherry didn't pray like she said she would or that the prayer didn't work.
that ladies really give a "i am a spiritual person" kind of vibe. i think that even if she were someday convinced to change her belief and cease to believe in her god she would almost instantly embrace another faith. Maybe a new age one that pretend to heal with quantum positive energies.
It was nice to see you so patient and listen her carefully.
I would have categorize her as lost for critical thinking early and drop the conversation in a rude way. It is a learning experience to see you handle this with kindness and goodwill.
I’m actually getting impressed by how perfectly fluently you’re composing that summary at the end. Couldn’t be more clearly concisely worded if you’d taken time to type out and edit it.
Its cool to hear how you speak on your own outside of the short questions you give in your interviews. Actually sounds a bit more natural to me too, tbh, when you’re not apparently trying to present your words in an extra tentative delicate tone for your ILs :-)
“I’m an artist! I’m very right-brained, so I don’t think in terms of numbers. Okay, two examples! Number one…” 🤷♂️😄
Nice work, Anthony! In my eyes, the fact that Cherry changed her position on faith tells me she never really thought deeply about this topic before and was sorting it out throughout the interview. You exposed a kink in the armor, but it's going to take quite a few more blows before she realizes the reasons she holds for her beliefs are flawed.
Hey Anthony. Great Video as always. I was asking myself about what you said in the end of the video: "I learned early on, to not participate in things like that, when its not clear if the believe they hold is true." Maybe you could explain a bit more about the reasoning behind it. I somehow feel like it would be interesting to see and hear what they would pray and do, and after that, asking them how we could test if the prayer worked.
If I had experienced miracles like raising the dead and blind people regaining their sight directly after intercessionary prayer, I absolutely wouldn’t be using faith to believe in that God. So I always find it amazing that, after giving concrete examples like that, that people such as Cherry would even bother using the word faith.
She didn’t start at the beginning of her faith journey though, she must already have believed in this God to be going on a Christian mission to proselytize to Muslim African villagers. So, if Cherry had been raised a Muslim or Hindu, would she now be trying to convert people to a different religion?
I think it’s best to decline the offer of chanting, prayers and spells. It would feel like pandering to someone’s ego or delusions.
26:06 I thought this body language was interesting. Check out the hands.
Found this online:
Hands may also hold the self, such as when people hold their own hands, typically for comfort. Wringing the hands indicates more extreme nervousness.
Holding the self can also be an act of restraint. This can be to let the other person talk. It can also be used when the person is angry, effectively stopping them from attacking.
Millions of children die each year at a very young age due to illness, and people surely prayed for them, but god decided to heal her of her arthritis in the wrist. Sounds mysterious to me
One thing a lot of the interlocutors seem to have in common is believing based on multiple reasons. If a particular reason dissolves under serious scrutiny they can still fall back on the other reasons to continue their belief. If the reasons are numerous and complex enough, rebutting all of them becomes impossible. It makes me wonder where I've employed this in my own beliefs. To a certain extent it makes sense: if I have 5 reasons for a belief and I'm 95% confident in each of them, the chance all are wrong is less than 1 in a million. But in practice it doesn't seem to work like that.
Wow the amount of misinformation is incredible and to be able to resist from correcting these things is amazing on your part Anthony. On the other hand, it is also nice to see someone in that age group not be completely opposed to letting you question their faith.
I love your message at the end... Keep questioning! That is the essence of learning and growing intellectually.
Thank you for explaining why who chose to speak the Mustlim religion. Personally, I would've gone with Buddhism, which I think people have a hard time finding the "evil" in. I think going with another religion she claims to "know" about and is stuck on the facts of why it's "wrong" was not the best way to go.
I know you don't go tit-for-tat with examples / "evidence"; I would've had a hard time holding back my comments about the violence of "God" Himself in the Old Testament! I thought her explanation of God being responsible for ONLY the good was interesting... never heard that before. This brings up so many more questions for me. Her healing examples are overwhelming; i wouldn't know how to begin examining that.
Great job staying on topic and creating an inviting environment, Anthony!
I previously used to laugh or get angry.. now I look at these people the same as the homeless walking around yelling at stop signs . I can only feel empathy..
Yes! I feel very similarly, I think. SE has really changed me in that regard.
When Anthony says hmmmmm.... That's his bullshit meter going Off.... Too funny!
I’ve had similar conversations with older people. I feel that, with a lifetime of anecdotal evidence and devaluing “doubt” there is a lot bad ideas to unpack. and maybe because they’ve based their whole life on the idea, it might be difficult to consider a method of testing a claim.
I seriously suspect this idea of “just believing”, seems to be pervasive in a lot in older people, leading them to be victims of charlatans. She seems like a generally nice person, who’s honestly never considered the idea that one could be basing a deeply held belief on something that’s untrue.
I definitely look forward to a follow up conversation❤️
11 minutes in is a great example of the religious person not truly thinking about the meaning of what they say. She briefly mentions a hurricane that damaged her house and says "it's ok, the lord built it once he can build it again" well he does have some carpentry background but the telling point comes right after Anthony offers his condolences. She says she's a lot better off than a lot of people who got hit a lot worse and lost everything, she says "I'M VERY BLESSED". which suggests she believes her house was damaged less than others because the Lord decided to have it that way. She's very blessed because for some reason she was singled out for favour by her god. The arrogance of that is huge. God picked me over all these other people, I'm MORE blessed than they are because my house survived a storm.
Maybe she should thank the people who actually built her house instead.
It hurst so much listening to this ,
I couldn’t listen to more than 14:32 and that was from the point where Anthony said skip to 12. It leaves me with concerns about Americans. 😊 peace.
All very affable and pleasant but lacking any consideration. Just an overdose of deepities and clichés masquerading as a line of thought.
Sounds like something Hitchens would say. Very well said!
Deluded people I have known in churches I was once a part of. Even then, most people around them avoided these nutters
Wow! I am currently speaking with a friend about his belief. And I needed this video. The questions I will ask are here. Thanks!
Nice. Hope it helps. Remember: Go where they take you, not where you want them to go.
@@magnabosco210 I will definitely keep that in mind. So far I’ve had two talks with people using SE. I feel confident enough to talk to people about their god belief. If you have time for a question. What do I do when I get stuck on something? If someone says something that throws me off, or maybe I haven’t really heard that question while watching your videos? how would you go about it, without making the conversation awkward?
@@darcemambaz.a.9544 Excellent! Verbalize out loud to (or share with) your conversation partner where you are at and ask them for help to proceed. Highly recommend considering joining one of the SE communities where you can engage with others who are learning this method if you haven’t already (the Discord server is most active lately): streetepistemology.com/community/
@@magnabosco210 this helps alot! Thanks!👍🏽
I am a kind loving person but I don’t have a high tolerance for bullshit. I couldn’t listen to someone like this without giving my opinion. She’s preaching
imaginary friends r hell of a drug
"I have an answer to the Universe, he is called Jesus Christ"
Sceptical Atheist: "He we go again"
"How would you know if my prayer worked? Well, how do we know anything?"
By using our minds. From trial and error. From facts and measurements. From results and successes. From testable, repeatable experiments and information gathering.
Jesus christ! If you can't tell how we can know anything, then how could you possibly know that a "belief" leading you to "faith" which is faux knowledge (see wishful thinking) in what you want to be true can possibly even lead you to truth in a non-demonstrable god?
"Hey! Nobody can know anything, but I know everything about the invisible, non-detectable master of the universe!"
This women is dangerous
This kind of belief structure actually kills people it's dangerous and should be treated as a mental illness
chris pearson think good things lol
chris pearson that seems like an incredibly unstable way to live your life, should people not react to the same situation in the same, logical fashion no matter what your emotional status is at that moment
Yeah - I am very worried about how far Trump will go with cognitive dissonance.
@@chrissonofpear3657 do you realize that cognitive dissonance is a universal phenomenon and anyone with any political affiliation can be affected by it? People can't be so ignorant.
Just watching the beginning. She went from being very unsure of herself and her ability to preach, which is what she thought Anthony was going to ask her to do. Because most religious discussion is proselytizing, not discussion, and I always struggled with such conversation when I was a believer.
But the way he flipped that around so fast and got her to accept the discussion, really says leaps and bounds about SE. Just describing what it is gets people willing to examine their beliefs even if they were violently against trying to describe their faith.
"Well, may my invisible wizard charm you with a magical enchantment, and may you have a magically enchanted day."
....and children, that is how we got the Inquisition and the Crusades.
I admire how calm Anthony is. I would have lost my **** after hearing argument about air (you believe in air even though you can't see it).
Well, if we couldn't see, feel, measure or detect air by any means it would be silly to believe in it. But just moving your hand fast perpendicular to direction of movement, you definitely feel something. Suck it out using a pump and you'll start to feel all sorts of bad effects.
"But you can't see air either" is one of the most idiotic arguments. I was a believer for over 25 years (to my shame) and I considered it very bad argument even then
Great interview!
The mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Indoctrination is a powerful force.
She makes me very sad.
Faith is the surrender of reason and common sense. A doorway to brainwashing.
I don't believe in any god/s but I must have said "Oh God" about 100 times while listening to her speak. Anthony, I don't know how you keep calm. Must be god.
This one was great.
It's like trying to get into a safe.
You can see that there's a wall there.
How to find a way through it.
If there is a good god you do his/her work. SE done honestly is a win win for all parts. including the observer.
I learned something today.
After Cherry said "Iris Ministries" I thought she was going to recommend reading J. R. R. Tolkien
You hear this from mission trippers a lot. Miracles happen all the time in other countries, especially poverty stricken countries. Thats where God really lives. God seems to like hanging out in small villages
I just know in my heart!
What a crock of shit! Please never serve on a jury!
I am actually religious but It's very important to hear the other side so glad to get here Anthony ..I am actually a Muslim and I like to be openness to other's beliefs..
she is absolutely right we have to believe first and the faith will come unexpectedly we feel the existence of God when we really are ready to open and live it so I don't know if you understand me I speak French but I like English but we should trust in God then you are gonna discover the miracle in the religions
chris pearson see my response below I made some mistakes sending it in the wrong way
chris pearson you're right Chris you can't separate hope from faith people need to be assured and know There's somebody who watches their every move and will react when you will die that's a good way to get folks in a good straight and they will understand the real sense of life we need to have hope to be protected by our faith i don't know you but I really feel his grace potential in me every day and I am still blessed for that
chris pearson i can't do anything if you think so I am really sorry you misunderstand what it's really about in the Koran none of their Hate's allegations is real you need to answer some people who commit for example terrorist attacks do it for their own law own beliefs the Koran has nothing to do with it you should understand some Muslims are still stuck in their cultures I am sorry but you are completely misinterpreted the Koran if every Muslims acted like like it's said in that religious book your concept in Islam would be big different
chris pearson I love all human beings and my faith helps me a lot to respect people and do all i can to stay clean and clear please try to read the Koran you will be surprised nothing to do with These nonsense folks tell about it God is something real get it over I want ask you one question why do you not believe in God??
Would be nice if she could cure blind/deaf people today here in an environment where virtually everyone has a video-recording device.
Joking aside, it seems pretty apparent that she has dug herself deep into a hole of belief and doesn't seem willing or able to concede that she could be just as mistaken as the muslims in the village she visited.
Granted she was dodging questions, when she switched faith to come after believing in god, you should have gone back to find out if she didn't use faith, *what method did she use to conclude the belief is true.*
I don't believe this is how you defeat SE, just stick to the main question.
That one Good observation. I was being a tad hyperbolic there.
My real question is what the shadow person at the end thinks of Anthony talking to himself while pacing.