It's interesting, the degrees of horological snobbery... Patek people look down on Rolex people, Rolex people look down on Tag Heuer people, Tag Heuer people look down on Seiko people, Seiko people look down on Fossil people, EVERYONE looks down on Invicta people, etc...
Actually no one of consequence looks down on anyone. I currently own nothing but Seikos and Orients, and one cool-looking Movado quartz I bought for $50. There are people who understand and those who do not. The reason why Rolex is so reviled is because so many Rolex owners are moronic jackasses who inherited money and pretend like they earned it. I had a rather unfortunate fight that resulted i jail time, and my current situation where I make less than a quarter of my former income. I once had a respectable watch collection. That is impossible now. That said, I can interact with true enthusiasts easily. We speak the same language. We have the same values.
+Garry Perkins I know how you feel, shit happens. my watch collection is purely pieces I love, my favorites being watches that cost about 50 but were gifts. I have an Orient on the way that was purchased for me for my birthday. enthusiast are enthusiast...
I started to watch this video expecting to just be informed about wrist watch aesthetically, but i learned a lot more than that. This video enlightened me. Your channel is legit. Much Respect. A fan from the Philippines.
One aspect that you hit the nail on is age appropriateness. When I was younger in the Navy, I re-enlisted for 90k tax free. Soooo I went and bought a used submariner. I LOVED that watch, but I was 22. Heres the problem... because I was young, most people instinctively thought it was fake. No amount of explaining details mattered; because I was 22 it was "fake". The small percentage of people that believed it was real simply told me how I was spoiled by mommy and daddy, and it was a waste of money blah blah. I spent more time letting the watch speak FOR me instead of using it as a statement piece. I wasn't wealthy, but I certainly worked hard and had the money for it. It was a great feeling when I sold it. Purists also were a challenge to contend with. If you own a rolex, and dont know EVERYTHING about it, do NOT speak about it because the "Horology experts" will crush your soul for your untenable ignorance!
+The Urban Gentry Thanks for the video 😀 but I'm a bigger gentleman but I like bigger face watches and I can't find the right one could u maybe give me a mm size? Cheers
Aeden Pierce size is relative mate. You cant say "you need a 44mm watch". Theres taste, which is subjective; and then wrist size, which isnt really a product of "how big" you are. I have an 8.5" wrist, but im not "that big" for instance. 41mm looks like a ladies watch on me, but i like them.
I think the issue here is that buying an expensive piece of horology at a young age can reflect poor financial decisions. If one is in any type of debt, it is generally distasteful to purchase a piece. I think a steel sub is a perfectly suitable piece for a young man in his 20s if he can easily afford it or was gifted it for an accomplishment (university degree, job, etc.).
This guy is more respectable than a great deal of other watch owners because he doesn’t feel the need to look down on others to feel higher up. He understands that a lot of people have different tastes and needs In watches and accepts them because he just genuinely enjoys the hobby.
As a 22 year-old I've went from swatch, love it in my teens, to a Bulova, and I'm looking to learn more in order to make a more informed purchase and enjoy the art and style of watches. These videos are really helpful and enjoyable
I come from a very modest, borderline poor background. As luck and hard work would have it, I started my professional life very well. What I once considered expensive or even unattainable, now is well within my range, without even saving. As I watched your video and was purchasing my very first swiss mechanical watch, it made me wonder, could I slowly be giving into this snobbery you are talking about? Looking at the watch currently on my wrist (Casio EF-527) and one of my oldest watches (cheapo chinise skeleton watch) I am happy to see that I still love and appreciate those pieces for what they are, and find the interesting. I will strive to always keep your words in mind as I believe a man should not be a slave to money and status. Cheers and thanks for the great video
It’s only snobbery if you look down on someone else who isn’t able to attain what you can. Enjoy the life that you worked for. Just keep in mind it doesn’t make you better or worse than anyone else, just different.
Yes there are so many watches that look like the Rolex submariner, some Tudor, Seiko models a range of Homage watches but nothing is going to feel as good as that Rolex may look similar.
everybody loves their f91w (or a168) - because: they are a great peace of horology and history. i loved mine to as i was 15 (buttons to button, light to light up, a stop watch, an alarm, this 90 knight rider look) - and i loved it still today.. a great watch dont have to be expensive
Very interesting. The whole idea of a "gentleman" is something lost on many people today! Maybe you could describe being a gentleman as having character; honourable, and with thought as to how one conducts one self. Of course not just with regards to wrist watches, but in general. Enjoyed the dialogue.
I started to watch this video with some trepidation: I thought that it was going to be "rule-based", lecturing and dogmatic. In fact, it was really, really enjoyable, heartfelt and moral. I agreed with absolutely everything that you said. Some of my initial apprehension, before watching the video, was because I had not agreed with your stated admiration, in a more recent video, for some micro-brand watches that were, in my opinion, yes, a bit vulgar. However, I certainly see you as a chap with natural good manners, tolerance of others, and exquisite taste. A gentleman. Consequently, I think that, like me, you would it difficult to be abrupt or rude to someone whose views and tastes you did not entirely share. Full marks on an outstanding and memorable video!
It's not only the size of the wrist, it's the shape. If you have a flatter wrist, you can get away with a larger watch than someone with a rounder wrist of the same size.
I think more important than wrist size is forearm size, especially when you wear sports watches like G-Shocks in the summer. For example if a man has thin bones, but has big muscles and big hands, wrist still will be thin, however a big G-Shock, like GW-9400 Rangeman or GWG-1000 Mudmaster will look good on such a wrist. What's your opinion?
I am a good example. I have a fairly narrow but thick wrist. A smaller watch looks better on me, but the smaller watches usually also have shorter straps rhat don't fit.
Snobbery is one of the problems when someone prefer to use Swiss luxury watches for everyday lifestyle. Seiko, Casio, Swatch and Tissot are useful brands to use for everyday use.
Snobbery can occur at the lowest of levels. I can remember being criticized for not having a Swatch as a young man in the early 1990's. At the time I was wearing a Hamilton field watch that cost far more than a Swatch. Luckily my aunt bought me a Swatch and the bullying ended.
17:20 --> What you describe as a Gentleman was once the goal of every right-thinking young American off at university or graduated and working his way up the corporate or public sector ladder. It disturbs me greatly how we have fallen away from this ideal, on both sides of the pond.
If I look down on someone for their watch, it say's a lot about me, but nothing about them. Great video. A person's character and integrity speaks volumes.
This video is 8 years old but it is the BEST video on watch wearing etiquette. So good to see someone actually point out what looks good and want doesn't. All of these are great points.
I totally agree with your comments. I can't stand the strap too tight and I always say over large watches look like an alarm clock strapped to your wrist.
I myself have been there making all those mistakes you talk about here. Buying timepieces that are way too expensive for young people and totally out of your range. It's not about money but definitely about manners, class and being a gentleman. Kinda funny but buying those things never made me happy but quite the contrary. Maybe one would think buying a Rolex in your early ages would make you happy but no. It just makes you sad and feel bad and kinda fake. Also wearing something on your wrist that is worth more than someone's monthly salary, it is also really insulting. One of the best videos I've ever seen and I think more people should see this. Thank you a lot for sharing your thoughts with us.
P.S. My latest purchase after all these years was a Timex Weekender which I'm totally in love with right now. Would have never bought it in my teenage years but now I love it. Just like you said, if you i.e. only eat Italian food, you're missing quite a lot of the culinary world. I missed my Weekender years and years and now I finally got it. And as already mentioned, I totally love it.
I know this is an 11 months old comment but there's nothing insulting (it's your money) about wearing expensive watches. Just because there are poor people does not mean you/people should not wear Rolexes or enjoy expensive things
I stumbled upon this video totally by accident and wast pleasantly surprised. The britts definetly have a keen since of what a gentleman is. My generation needs to see videos like this
The people who wear expensive watches because they can and not because they appreciate it will not care about "bad form" and I feel like most people don't know enough to call them out on it.
Thank you! As a broke college student who's only beginning to learn about horology and watch collecting I appreciate your opinions and recommendations on affordable time pieces. I've purchased cheap fashion watches myself when I was younger and I enjoy learning about time pieces and etiquette in your videos.
Thank you for these videos. I am newer to horology after I received a Longines Master Collection from my Wife as a wedding gift and I was hooked. Your videos have been HUGE in my understanding and learning about the craftsmanship, the style, history, and now how to wear a class watch and not be a douche. (not joking) I just purchased an Omega Seamaster PO Co-axial in size 39.5mm (skinny wrist pride!) Thank you and mad respect for your world view and what it means to be a modern Gentleman.
finally a meaningful definition of a gentleman's attributes. neither suits nor watches nor cars can make someone to be a gentleman. what a lesson for younger people & very well presented.
Very interesting! Thank you! My wife entered the room when I was watching this video and asked: "Does he work for NASA or what?" :D Mainly referring to your map and screen.
TGV, For the past week I have been enjoying your videos. Thank you for the time and effort you put into each video. They are refreshing. By the way, I am admiring the radar screensaver. I searched for the screensaver and could not find it. Can you point me in the right direction please sir?
I've been watching your videos for the past few days, and I must say I am impressed. I appreciate your knowledge and passion for the watches you own and discuss in your videos. The way in which you do so speaks volumes about who you are as a person. Not only are people learning about watches but also on a deeper level the social behaviors and aspects that are involved in this culture and throughout life in general. Your choice of words and approach to your discussions are well thought out, making even some of the longer videos a breeze and enjoyable to watch. Not all you tubers can say the same. Anyhow, great work, love the vids, and I hope to learn and watch more from your channel.
I have had a very reliable Citizen Eco drive for 13 years now. I flipped a Luminox and two Rotary watches - as they didn't suit my wrist or style. I recently bought a Tissot Seastar of 80s vintage to mark my birthdate - my first dress watch. I've always bought second hand and I'm finding your channel very inspiring, for my first prospective new automatic purchase - so thanks very much! I consider the Citizen eco drive range and the Tissot Seastar underrated but I don't see myself as a watch snob - though I'm finding my watch taste is getting more expense as I get older!
I am so glad I found your channel. I actually discovered it after I bought my first watch (had one prior, as a gift), but I am learning so much about my watch and the entire world of watchmaking, and I love it. The watch I got is a Stührling Aquadiver, apr $400, which to me is a lot of money considering I am still in my early 20'ies and don't yet have a job with a good stable income. This watch might be cheap to others and not seem like anything special, but it means the world to me, and I try my best to stay humble about it. Afterall, I got if for me, not to show off. I've always enjoyed the craftsmanship that goes into watchmaking, but it never seemed to fit me before, because as you say, watches should fit your age and style. I'm considering designing watches myself, it would be awesome to be able to design your own watch from scratch! - and what is that with Americans and talking about money? Where I live we have a saying about wealth: "Money is something we have, not something we talk about". Keep up your great work, sincerely enjoy all your content.
My dad who was a Brit would applaud your sense of the proper gentleman. He raised me to respect those exact qualities. It was nice to hear this spoken in this date and time. He is missed every day.
Great vid, TGV! I'm a fairly new viewer to the channel. Been watching since the beginning of June, but have been collecting watches for almost a decade now. These were some great guidelines, especially the one about watches being age appropriate. I recently turned 27, and a month ago, I just got my highest-end piece, a Tudor Black Bay with the red bezel, to celebrate the birth of my first child! Like you, I'm going to be treating myself to a ceramic bezel Rolex Submariner for my 30th birthday, and I'm putting aside a set amount of money for it each month until then. As I downsize my collection and focus on quality more than quantity (down to just 16 watches now, instead of 40-something, with a few more heading out the door soon), it's hard not to feel like I want to get more higher-end pieces into my collection sooner than later. Your tip really made me stop and think about how much time I really have left to get to those. There's no need to rush, and I should really focus on enjoying what I have now. There's no reason for a guy my age and with my humble, teacher's salary to wear a $30k rose gold Panerai. =P Thanks for bringing me back down to Earth some, and I look forward to all of your future videos!
+MainerInJapan Hi, sorry for the late reply, welcome to that channel! Congrats on the BB and sub by, fantastic comment, thank you for sharing, Best regards, TGV
I'm 24, been a big fan of watches since a family member gifted me a beautiful skeleton watch when I was 16. I now know it is a fashion watch with not much value in the market but it still means a lot to me because of the person who gave it to me at an important point of my life, and to be it is absolutely stunning. I've used it very sparingly and only worn it on special occasions and it still works after 8 years. I've just purchased an skx013 because for a long time I've either used a digital watch or just used my phone, and I thought it's about time I got a proper mechanical wristwatch to remind myself daily that I'm a responsible gentleman who is aware of the importance of keeping time. I've also purchased 2 spare watchbands so that I can swap and change the style to suit my outfit. I think I'll be very happy with this watch as I work my way towards my dreams and I hope to have the means in my 30s, once I have a comfortable amount of savings and built a family, to be able to collect a few more beautiful pieces. Glad to have found your channel!
Thank you TGV for a most insightful video. What really rang home for me was buy according to what you can afford and yes it's never a good idea to get into debt. I watch your videos regularly and I'm a big fan ! Cheers.
The biggest thing my father taught me was “All the money in the world could never buy class!” & in this life I’ve lived, that proves correct time & time again. Nice video TGV
I think the only rule I have on watches is that it has to be a watch company that made it. The mass market fossil made re-branded stuff does not appeal to me.
Nothing wrong with mass market re-branded stuff as long as one isn't paying insane prices for it. E.g. Daniel Wellington, they sell for around $100+ USD on Amazon while I purchased and off brand Chinese watch Joeson & Leaders that looks, feels, and works exactly like the DW and is $8.99 probably made with the same quality control in the same factory.
Fossil I find are the exeption. They are great looking watches, that are maybe a bit overpriced, but work as well and/or better than you would expect for the price you pay. Obviously once you get into more well established watch brands it's unlikely you will go back to a brand like fossil, but I've never met someone who felt like their money was wasted on a fossil watch.
Watching this in 2017. I'm from the States and truly appreciate and respect your honest and extremely modest videos. I'm a tech guy who was into smart watches from Apple and Samsung and later realized that they weren't for me. I came to a realization that traditional watches have a soul to them. Anywho, I went through my fair share of budget friendly watches and finally landed on the Omega Seamaster. I cleared out all my others watches to save up for this one and have been in love with this ever since. I have only one watch now and change the bands according to the occasion. I tell you all this because I wanted to let you know that your video's were very inspirational. They helped me find the watch I love, and I truly appreciate you for it. If you ever come down to California (Bay Area), I would love to buy you a beer, cheers friend!
when you talked about being the gentleman I just reminded me of movie Kings man "manner maketh man". It is not about what you have, it is how to present yourself as a person.
Remember G-Shock also has their G-Steel series you can wear those with suits anx tuxedos. But this video was a great video. You had a good overall perspective.
I've only started following you today and have spent most of my time working randomly from one video to another. I haven't found a single video I didn't like or was informative but THIS one has increased my respect for you immensely. Everything you said about snobbery can be applied to nearly every aspect of live beyond just watches. I'm really going to enjoy working through every one of your videos. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing. You have an interesting take on matching a watch to a strap. Makes a lot of sense. And I agree that a watch shouldn't be just worn for show. It should be appreciated. This is why as much as possible I stay away from quartz and electronic watches. I prefer that when I buy a watch my money goes to the artists who painstakingly spend hours on a bench putting a mechanical movement together. The end result is a precision machine designed to withstand knocks and bumps, temperature and humidity changes...and still keep accurate time throughout the day. That is no small feat! I recently purchased a triple date, automatic Jaramar with open heart and exhibition back. It is 49.9 mm, not including buttons or crown. Big enough that I can clearly see the dial without my glasses. Also, because every watch I wear is a "tool" watch, I find it irritating to look down to see the time only to find the watch disappeared under my sleeve. This watch does not let me down. It resists the sleeve. Keep the videos coming!
There's a great channel on youtube called Sartorial Talks with a Parisian gentleman teaching you everything about suits. His definition of a gentleman is my favourite "A gentleman is someone who puts people at ease". Pure class.
+Jonny Casual Very kind Jonny boy!!! Thank you. As for the indian food, don't forget to put a bit of Ravi on LOVE a good curry.. mmmmmm :D Best regards, TGV
Whatever you say here is not only applicable to watches but also to life in general. It speaks volume about your education (the real education which leads to class, not degrees) and the quality of your upbringing... came here to learn about watch etiquette, but went through a refresher course on many more things. I completely agree with you. Thank you.
great video, I couldn't really afford my omega moon watch but I lusted after it for over 2 years and finally got it, and although It was way over my budget , I absolutely loved the look of it, the history of it and the fact that I know one day I will hand it down to one of my son's, I recently bought the Oris Sixty five, that cost alot less than my omega but it looked gorgeous as do my seikos and G Shocks. If I like a watch then I give it some time to dwell on before pulling the trigger, thanks Jason
Evidently, you're a sophisticated, educated, well-mannered, and worldly gentleman. I enjoy your videos. Thank you for sharing your knowledge on watches and how they relate to life, class, and gentlemen's unspoken and coded etiquette, that the new generations in general don't care or know much about. Personally, it is difficult to find people of class these days, and easy to find people with much money but no class.
Much respect to you for letting the viewers of this video know what it means to be a gentleman. Whether I choose to wear a Rolex or a Timex, I’m a gentleman by virtue of my morals and principles. My self-worth is measured by how I extend respect, empathy, sympathy, compassion, love, charity, etc. Those kinds of qualities can’t be purchased. Again, thank you for clarifying the meaning of gentleman.
Hi TGV, great vid! One thing I'd like to add about coordination. I wear black or brown leather shoes to work every day and I extend the rule to match the color of one's shoes and belts (or in my case leather ends of braces) to my watch straps. Yes, obviously you can wear a metal bracelet and call it a day. But if you're more into leather straps and you do not want to confine your favorite watch to black or brown shoes and belts, then go with a nice royal blue or navy leather strap. It goes well with black and brown. And when you wear a blue strap, it could not possibly be expected of you to wear blue leather shoes or belts. So it looks good, coordinates well, and is still office appropriate. And you can wear your favorite watch every day regardless of your shoes or belt. Oh, and if you are into Breitling but not their sizes, and do not mind getting a second-hand watch, definitely get a Breitling Navitimer Montbrillant from the 1990s which is 38mm in diameter. That's what I did. And as with other Navitimer it looks larger than it is given the lack of an outer bezel. Subscribed and cheers!
I also very liked this video, especially the last part when you talked about snobbery - for some reason many people mix class with snobbery and it was just so nice to hear that it's not right :)
I have to say I have really been enjoying the recent videos, as they all tend to deal with topics that particularly relevant to me and my stage of collecting. Especially the topic with the age and social economical implications of certain pieces. Sort of like my seamaster, or even my oris; I worked hard, saved my money and bought something I love but I get a lot of reverse snobbery for the amount of money I spent on those watches. I'm 27, myself and my friends are sort of established or working towards that. I make good money, but I'm not a suit and tie guy, or even an everyday polo guy. So those 1000$+ pieces are a grey area. I'm actually questioning ("Is it acceptable?" or "Do I really care?") the Speedy I intend to reward myself with in a couple of months and the Rolex for my 30th. Anyways sorry about the rant, this topic is just really on point with what I have going on. I want to make a comment about watch size that applies only to gshocks. Rock out with your shock out. And what I mean by that is, if you like wear it. It doesn't matter how big it is or how small your wrist is. They are a tool watch and its all about functions. And if that function is to match your outfit is that function that's great; they are a fun affordable watch that I think normal sizing rules do not apply to. Also, Seamaster is that acceptable for a wedding? And do have a "what being a gentleman is" video, because I would love to write a paragraph about that, especially after watching the last bit of this video... Wonderful video! Ron.
+ron “randomfied” p Your friends don't understand the amount of talent and hard work it takes to put together a fine watch, such as your Rolex. If you truly appreciate your watch and the people who put it together don't be ashamed to wear it. Maybe someday your friends will realize what it takes to create a fine timepiece. And then they will think different.
+ron “randomfied” p Hi Ron, Truly great comment, so much to talk about there, thank you. I will keep it simple, I intend to do a "What being a Gentleman Is" soon, actually nearer xmas as I have to reach and prep that quite a bit. Stay tuned my friend, Best regards, TGV
+The Urban Gentry Of course, that's an absorbing topic, dating back at least to Aristotle!, and of course one key point is the value of liberality/generosity and the money to support this!
ron p, So true about the G-Shock. I'm very 'outdoorsey' and my gshock rangeman has been an incredible tool for me. Its my everyday wear for work (I'm a nurse) for its ruggedness and features. I am a bit on the slender side, but ive noticed that even though it looks massive, it somehow doesn't look out of place. Great observation.
This was a brave video. Snobbery is an issue in society and always will be-where you live, what car you drive, your profession, etc. It's everywhere and I doubt that things will ever change. People just complicate their lives by insensitive behavior towards others. Great talk TGV.
I think that in terms of the "appropriateness" it has more to do with how far you've made it in life than age. So, if you have built a large company in your early twenties, then its still fine to wear a Patek Perpetual Calendar if that's what strikes your fancy. Its more about having earned the money you spend on a fine timepiece than it is how old you are.
I am not so sure about this. I do think that there are age-appropriate fashion ideas. One might be physically fit in his 50's, but wearing high school brands would be absurd. Similarly an 18-year-old wearing an Armani tux to his high school reunion would be vulgar. There is a time and place for everything.
I think you both have some good points, there's degrees. There's a reason it's such a trope for a salesman to buy a rolex with his first commission check large enough to purchase one: because it's a sign you've made something of yourself, you've done well. An 18-year-old in an armani tux to a high-school reunion is an extreme example because he's vastly overdressing for the occasion. Showing up to a dress casual event in black tie screams arrogance or insecurity. On the other hand, showing up in dress casual from the best brands you can afford doesn't scream insecurity in the same way even if it is a several hundred to thousand dollar outfit. You can dress classy, and expensively, but still be dress casual. I think the best principle to follow is to remember what a gentleman is and the essential characteristics of a gentleman. A gentleman should be slow to cause offense and quick to remedy an insult, and certainly never seek to draw undue attention to himself. So I say match your accessories, like your dress, to the crowd you're with. Wear something that is, or looks to be, something the average person of the event you're going to could stretch to buy, or as an alternative go with something nicely understated that won't draw any attention.
I purchased my first Rolex when I was 20. It was a Stainless SUB with date. Throughout my twenties, I picked up a few "expensive" watches and never gave a damn about appropriateness. When I turned 28, I purchased my first precious metal watch. The white gold Rolex SUB, with blue face(smurf)116619LB. Wear what you like regardless of others opinion. I understand that there are a lot of people who buy a watch just to impress others(pretentious assholes), but that is no way to live. You'll never enjoy life if you live to impress others.
Well said Sir! I completely agree with you, I think it's great that this ideas are brought to realization here on youtube, keep it up and thanks for the video!
Love your opinions on age appropriation. I am currently 18, and yes I'd love to have an omega, but that's not high on the list of things I need to pay for at my age with college, and things of that nature that need to be payed for. If I saved up for awhile with money separate from other savings and could finally afford an omega with cash, then yes I agree that is okay. Like you said though, ONLY if the person really appreciates and takes care of the piece.
Age appropriateness is crucial, but, as a poet once said "being young is an illness that only time can cure", young people will make mistakes, that's what they do, however, the most important part of it is: Knowledge is constructed in increments, built upon previous knowledge; you have to KNOW what is like to own a fashion watch, KNOW what is like to own a tank-like Seiko 5, a Timex, a Casio so, when you decide to move to "bigger and better", as it where, you know what you are looking for, you know what you like and what you don't so you make an EDUCATED DECISION. And that is something no one can have just by birthright. Great channel! Cheers!
Thanks for that last point on being open minded. For many people (myself included) $500 for a watch is quite a lot, and $200 for a watch is still a more than what is normally considered reasonable for a watch. Timex, Casio or cheaper Seiko's are often our choices for watches. So with this knowledge considered, It's just very refreshing to see an individual such as yourself talk about snobbery and being open minded. Thank you, you got yourself a new sub.
I have a couple Ripcurl watches because I surf allot, one is a $200 tide watch, the other just a normal but colorful swatch type. I was given a Rolex back in 99 as a gift, it's worth about $3000. I never wear it because I just think it's too expensive and flashy for most of the stuff I wear. So I get what you're saying 👍
Good form Igloo, however, the Rolex will look great on those occasions that the Rolex is called for and you are a very lucky person to receive such a gift.
I’m 13 my four main watches: Beater/Diver: G Shock AWG-M100SBG Casual: Casio Edifice 5233 Dress: Tissot Quickster Chronograph Smart (made a mistake by buying it but it got me into watches): Fitbit Charge 2
I know this is age old, but this HAS to be the best Urban Gentry show ever! Love being educated in the fine art of becoming a gentleman. Sine Nobilis (SNOB). It's hard to find a more educated opinion about this than TGV's. Remember to ask the question: "Are you a better person today, than you were yesterday?"
Some superb points here, TGV - we both know of at least one self-appointed 'expert' on TH-cam who went out and bought his Rolex/Patek collection with credit cards then proceeded to slag off 'mid-tier' watches and their owners. I wont labor the point, but the guy just comes across as a complete tosser. Your point re snobbery rings true in every hobby I've had anything to do with - audio, vintage cars, even surfing - and the common denominator is that the forums are all dominated by males between 20 and 50, and I'm sad to say that my fellow Aussies seem to have joined the Americans in valuing toys according to their sticker price : it becomes less about the hobby and more about an endless pissing contest.
Great video! You mentioned you had a small wrist, do you mind me asking what size is your wrist? I'm a beginner collector and have thin wrists as well (around 6 inches) and love smaller watches. I also feel like 38mm is my limit and would love to collect things between 35-38mm.
Absolutely nailed it on snobbery TGV. Great vid. It's not intrinsically bad to wear a very expensive watch but it's about your knowledge and appreciation for what you have. But more importantly the way you treat others around you
Why nonbody answer my cuestiona. Need to reduce the size of Seiko for ladies, very small plateado, esfera is octogonal, all plateado. Without numbers, just doots, very japanesse.. love .l have to take it to enlarge the wrist size . Is super small .who Can do that ? Have to send it to Seiko concesionaria. And the where. Is used cannot returns Thanks Alicia Nieto. Do a vídeo about the best or any good kind ladies watches. Have one Longiiness. Small. All gold. Bulova, very antique. And Elguin all gold super small So femeninas all. !!!!!!!! Thanks.
One of the realeast if not the realest gentlemans channel.. So happy Ive fount out about you! Just bought my furst Seiko few days ago and I love your videos. All of you opinions are just as mine, but as a young man you can get really distracted in todays society.. Really aprreciate your content I hope to see you prosper even more! Take care
Bro these videos are some of the few that I Would not only remember for life but also will highly recommend to many guys to watch. Thanks for your honesty. Love your passion.
I think you quite encouraging me to be who I am and love the watch on my wrist no matter how much it cost. Everyone born in different status in this society, however, we should pay our 100％ respect to all people we meet. Thank you!
TUG, great job. this is a common sense video on purchasing & wearing great time pieces of all price ranges. I am now a subscriber. arupian666 comment said it best. Well done.
Popping collars is really bad form in Brazil, because it is very common among ignorant people here, I don't know why. But you really pull it off, having a true inspiration.
Great blog. With the variety of styles and possibilities in there, this talk gives some important guidelines for everyone who has real passion to real watches
+Daniel T. Müller Casey Neistat did an excellent vlog about haters today, really inspiring and so true. Don't worry chaps, all part of the game. Thanks for the support, always appreciated. Best regards, TGV
Totally agree,no one has the right to look down to anyone,at the horological world or in any kind of activity,a real gentleman never do that,thank you for your videos they help and illustrate a lot
Far more than watch advises. Especially #4 and #5 would make great rules for the entire life. That‘s what my wife and I are trying to hand to our children for their current and future attitude. And you package that in such a classy way... I teally appreciate this video (like your whole channel)
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It's interesting, the degrees of horological snobbery... Patek people look down on Rolex people, Rolex people look down on Tag Heuer people, Tag Heuer people look down on Seiko people, Seiko people look down on Fossil people, EVERYONE looks down on Invicta people, etc...
Wrong.. everyone looks down on Tag Heuer people.
Actually no one of consequence looks down on anyone. I currently own nothing but Seikos and Orients, and one cool-looking Movado quartz I bought for $50.
There are people who understand and those who do not. The reason why Rolex is so reviled is because so many Rolex owners are moronic jackasses who inherited money and pretend like they earned it.
I had a rather unfortunate fight that resulted i jail time, and my current situation where I make less than a quarter of my former income. I once had a respectable watch collection. That is impossible now. That said, I can interact with true enthusiasts easily. We speak the same language. We have the same values.
+Garry Perkins I know how you feel, shit happens. my watch collection is purely pieces I love, my favorites being watches that cost about 50 but were gifts. I have an Orient on the way that was purchased for me for my birthday. enthusiast are enthusiast...
Michael Kirst hey hey hey calm down there spike
still love my timex watch.more accurate then rolex
love your whole attitude on being a gentleman
+ghostface2222 Thank you, very kind of you to say!
Best regards,
TGV
+The Urban Gentry have you ever considered a cartier tank or a reverso?
+jirodrigues I would love to see a reverso reviewed by the governor
"Snobbery is absolutely bad form." That's life advice right there.
I started to watch this video expecting to just be informed about wrist watch aesthetically, but i learned a lot more than that. This video enlightened me.
Your channel is legit. Much Respect. A fan from the Philippines.
+Jharel Dan Legaspi Thank you, so glad to hear! Very much appreciated :D
Best regards,
TGV
Jharel Dan Legaspi Pinoy watch enthusiast magingay.
One aspect that you hit the nail on is age appropriateness. When I was younger in the Navy, I re-enlisted for 90k tax free. Soooo I went and bought a used submariner. I LOVED that watch, but I was 22. Heres the problem... because I was young, most people instinctively thought it was fake. No amount of explaining details mattered; because I was 22 it was "fake". The small percentage of people that believed it was real simply told me how I was spoiled by mommy and daddy, and it was a waste of money blah blah. I spent more time letting the watch speak FOR me instead of using it as a statement piece. I wasn't wealthy, but I certainly worked hard and had the money for it. It was a great feeling when I sold it.
Purists also were a challenge to contend with. If you own a rolex, and dont know EVERYTHING about it, do NOT speak about it because the "Horology experts" will crush your soul for your untenable ignorance!
+JgHaverty EXCELLENT comment, thank you for sharing that.
I hope others read this, very valid point.
Best regards,
TGV
+The Urban Gentry Thanks for the video 😀 but I'm a bigger gentleman but I like bigger face watches and I can't find the right one could u maybe give me a mm size? Cheers
Aeden Pierce
size is relative mate. You cant say "you need a 44mm watch". Theres taste, which is subjective; and then wrist size, which isnt really a product of "how big" you are. I have an 8.5" wrist, but im not "that big" for instance. 41mm looks like a ladies watch on me, but i like them.
+JgHaverty oh ok thanks mate :)
I think the issue here is that buying an expensive piece of horology at a young age can reflect poor financial decisions. If one is in any type of debt, it is generally distasteful to purchase a piece. I think a steel sub is a perfectly suitable piece for a young man in his 20s if he can easily afford it or was gifted it for an accomplishment (university degree, job, etc.).
This guy is more respectable than a great deal of other watch owners because he doesn’t feel the need to look down on others to feel higher up. He understands that a lot of people have different tastes and needs In watches and accepts them because he just genuinely enjoys the hobby.
As a 22 year-old I've went from swatch, love it in my teens, to a Bulova, and I'm looking to learn more in order to make a more informed purchase and enjoy the art and style of watches. These videos are really helpful and enjoyable
I come from a very modest, borderline poor background. As luck and hard work would have it, I started my professional life very well. What I once considered expensive or even unattainable, now is well within my range, without even saving. As I watched your video and was purchasing my very first swiss mechanical watch, it made me wonder, could I slowly be giving into this snobbery you are talking about? Looking at the watch currently on my wrist (Casio EF-527) and one of my oldest watches (cheapo chinise skeleton watch) I am happy to see that I still love and appreciate those pieces for what they are, and find the interesting. I will strive to always keep your words in mind as I believe a man should not be a slave to money and status.
Cheers and thanks for the great video
Casio is great, especially their multi band 6 and Smartphone Link watches. Very few watches can beat the accuracy.
this was vey inspirational, I plan on doing the same, and where every you are, I hope you're doing well for yourself!
@@matthewho1053 GWM-6500 is just as accurate as a phone but tougher
It’s only snobbery if you look down on someone else who isn’t able to attain what you can. Enjoy the life that you worked for. Just keep in mind it doesn’t make you better or worse than anyone else, just different.
Totally into smaller watches as well. They look so much more elegant, specially with this hockey disk trend.
+maximoplf Indeed! Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
I was going to buy a 7,000 pound Rolex, but decided to buy 70 seiko 5s instead.
7000 pounds could probablyfeed your family for a year or two.
How the hell are you going to wear a watch that weighs 7,000 lbs? With a forklift?!!!! You Brits are nuts!!!
Karl Ruehs I can’t tell if you’re joking, or just an idiot.
@@catlady8324 Maybe hes The Hulk?
Yes there are so many watches that look like the Rolex submariner, some Tudor, Seiko models a range of Homage watches but nothing is going to feel as good as that Rolex may look similar.
I am 15. Love my F91W!
everybody loves their f91w (or a168) - because: they are a great peace of horology and history. i loved mine to as i was 15 (buttons to button, light to light up, a stop watch, an alarm, this 90 knight rider look) - and i loved it still today.. a great watch dont have to be expensive
The straps are made for children.
I like the F-91W as well, but I have 7 1/2 inch wrists, so it's a no go.
You are now 18
Excellent definition of a gentleman - and well-articulated too.
Particularly the fact that a gentleman by sheer definition could never be a snob.
Very interesting. The whole idea of a "gentleman" is something lost on many people today! Maybe you could describe being a gentleman as having character; honourable, and with thought as to how one conducts one self. Of course not just with regards to wrist watches, but in general. Enjoyed the dialogue.
+John Rycroft Thank you John.
I think I will have to do a video on it soon.
Best regards,
TGV
It’s like the difference between an inheritance and a legacy. The Gentleman is owner and carrier of the latter.
I started to watch this video with some trepidation: I thought that it was going to be "rule-based", lecturing and dogmatic.
In fact, it was really, really enjoyable, heartfelt and moral. I agreed with absolutely everything that you said.
Some of my initial apprehension, before watching the video, was because I had not agreed with your stated admiration, in a more recent video, for some micro-brand watches that were, in my opinion, yes, a bit vulgar. However, I certainly see you as a chap with natural good manners, tolerance of others, and exquisite taste. A gentleman. Consequently, I think that, like me, you would it difficult to be abrupt or rude to someone whose views and tastes you did not entirely share.
Full marks on an outstanding and memorable video!
It's not only the size of the wrist, it's the shape. If you have a flatter wrist, you can get away with a larger watch than someone with a rounder wrist of the same size.
Analogous to the proportions of Sir John Thomas' wrist
+Timepiece Addict You are a keen observer.
+Timepiece Addict You mean width maters, instead of just girth?
I think more important than wrist size is forearm size, especially when you wear sports watches like G-Shocks in the summer. For example if a man has thin bones, but has big muscles and big hands, wrist still will be thin, however a big G-Shock, like GW-9400 Rangeman or GWG-1000 Mudmaster will look good on such a wrist. What's your opinion?
I am a good example. I have a fairly narrow but thick wrist. A smaller watch looks better on me, but the smaller watches usually also have shorter straps rhat don't fit.
Snobbery is one of the problems when someone prefer to use Swiss luxury watches for everyday lifestyle. Seiko, Casio, Swatch and Tissot are useful brands to use for everyday use.
Snobbery can occur at the lowest of levels. I can remember being criticized for not having a Swatch as a young man in the early 1990's. At the time I was wearing a Hamilton field watch that cost far more than a Swatch. Luckily my aunt bought me a Swatch and the bullying ended.
Or Tudor, Stowa Juanghans, Vostok etch
@@GarrySkipPerkins How old were you
Accutrons are cool too
17:20 --> What you describe as a Gentleman was once the goal of every right-thinking young American off at university or graduated and working his way up the corporate or public sector ladder. It disturbs me greatly how we have fallen away from this ideal, on both sides of the pond.
If I look down on someone for their watch, it say's a lot about me, but nothing about them. Great video. A person's character and integrity speaks volumes.
Thanks for the tips! I love learning mistakes before I make them. That is probably why this is my favorite channel.
This video is 8 years old but it is the BEST video on watch wearing etiquette.
So good to see someone actually point out what looks good and want doesn't. All of these are great points.
I totally agree with your comments. I can't stand the strap too tight and I always say over large watches look like an alarm clock strapped to your wrist.
C Bull at least u dont look like flavor flav
A gentleman is exactly that: gentle. In demeanor, temperament, and engagement with others. Spot on video!
I myself have been there making all those mistakes you talk about here. Buying timepieces that are way too expensive for young people and totally out of your range. It's not about money but definitely about manners, class and being a gentleman. Kinda funny but buying those things never made me happy but quite the contrary. Maybe one would think buying a Rolex in your early ages would make you happy but no. It just makes you sad and feel bad and kinda fake. Also wearing something on your wrist that is worth more than someone's monthly salary, it is also really insulting. One of the best videos I've ever seen and I think more people should see this. Thank you a lot for sharing your thoughts with us.
P.S. My latest purchase after all these years was a Timex Weekender which I'm totally in love with right now. Would have never bought it in my teenage years but now I love it. Just like you said, if you i.e. only eat Italian food, you're missing quite a lot of the culinary world. I missed my Weekender years and years and now I finally got it. And as already mentioned, I totally love it.
I know this is an 11 months old comment but there's nothing insulting (it's your money) about wearing expensive watches. Just because there are poor people does not mean you/people should not wear Rolexes or enjoy expensive things
I stumbled upon this video totally by accident and wast pleasantly surprised. The britts definetly have a keen since of what a gentleman is. My generation needs to see videos like this
The people who wear expensive watches because they can and not because they appreciate it will not care about "bad form" and I feel like most people don't know enough to call them out on it.
+Merth667 Most people don't even pay attention to what you wear. I wore Rolexes,Omegas, and Breitlings and no ever noticed.
+datsunmadman yep, for the most part no one gives a rats ass what you have on...
Thank you! As a broke college student who's only beginning to learn about horology and watch collecting I appreciate your opinions and recommendations on affordable time pieces. I've purchased cheap fashion watches myself when I was younger and I enjoy learning about time pieces and etiquette in your videos.
Thank you for these videos. I am newer to horology after I received a Longines Master Collection from my Wife as a wedding gift and I was hooked. Your videos have been HUGE in my understanding and learning about the craftsmanship, the style, history, and now how to wear a class watch and not be a douche. (not joking) I just purchased an Omega Seamaster PO Co-axial in size 39.5mm (skinny wrist pride!)
Thank you and mad respect for your world view and what it means to be a modern Gentleman.
finally a meaningful definition of a gentleman's attributes. neither suits nor watches nor cars can make someone to be a gentleman. what a lesson for younger people & very well presented.
Very interesting! Thank you! My wife entered the room when I was watching this video and asked: "Does he work for NASA or what?" :D
Mainly referring to your map and screen.
LOL
Thank you Daniel
Best regards,
TGV
TGV,
For the past week I have been enjoying your videos. Thank you for the time and effort you put into each video. They are refreshing.
By the way, I am admiring the radar screensaver. I searched for the screensaver and could not find it. Can you point me in the right direction please sir?
I've been watching your videos for the past few days, and I must say I am impressed. I appreciate your knowledge and passion for the watches you own and discuss in your videos. The way in which you do so speaks volumes about who you are as a person. Not only are people learning about watches but also on a deeper level the social behaviors and aspects that are involved in this culture and throughout life in general. Your choice of words and approach to your discussions are well thought out, making even some of the longer videos a breeze and enjoyable to watch. Not all you tubers can say the same. Anyhow, great work, love the vids, and I hope to learn and watch more from your channel.
TGV, I agree 100% - In my collection I like to have variety - from low-end to high-end. That's what makes horology great and fun.
I have had a very reliable Citizen Eco drive for 13 years now. I flipped a Luminox and two Rotary watches - as they didn't suit my wrist or style. I recently bought a Tissot Seastar of 80s vintage to mark my birthdate - my first dress watch. I've always bought second hand and I'm finding your channel very inspiring, for my first prospective new automatic purchase - so thanks very much! I consider the Citizen eco drive range and the Tissot Seastar underrated but I don't see myself as a watch snob - though I'm finding my watch taste is getting more expense as I get older!
I am so glad I found your channel. I actually discovered it after I bought my first watch (had one prior, as a gift), but I am learning so much about my watch and the entire world of watchmaking, and I love it. The watch I got is a Stührling Aquadiver, apr $400, which to me is a lot of money considering I am still in my early 20'ies and don't yet have a job with a good stable income. This watch might be cheap to others and not seem like anything special, but it means the world to me, and I try my best to stay humble about it. Afterall, I got if for me, not to show off. I've always enjoyed the craftsmanship that goes into watchmaking, but it never seemed to fit me before, because as you say, watches should fit your age and style. I'm considering designing watches myself, it would be awesome to be able to design your own watch from scratch!
- and what is that with Americans and talking about money? Where I live we have a saying about wealth: "Money is something we have, not something we talk about".
Keep up your great work, sincerely enjoy all your content.
My dad who was a Brit would applaud your sense of the proper gentleman. He raised me to respect those exact qualities. It was nice to hear this spoken in this date and time. He is missed every day.
Great vid, TGV! I'm a fairly new viewer to the channel. Been watching since the beginning of June, but have been collecting watches for almost a decade now. These were some great guidelines, especially the one about watches being age appropriate. I recently turned 27, and a month ago, I just got my highest-end piece, a Tudor Black Bay with the red bezel, to celebrate the birth of my first child! Like you, I'm going to be treating myself to a ceramic bezel Rolex Submariner for my 30th birthday, and I'm putting aside a set amount of money for it each month until then. As I downsize my collection and focus on quality more than quantity (down to just 16 watches now, instead of 40-something, with a few more heading out the door soon), it's hard not to feel like I want to get more higher-end pieces into my collection sooner than later. Your tip really made me stop and think about how much time I really have left to get to those. There's no need to rush, and I should really focus on enjoying what I have now. There's no reason for a guy my age and with my humble, teacher's salary to wear a $30k rose gold Panerai. =P Thanks for bringing me back down to Earth some, and I look forward to all of your future videos!
+MainerInJapan Hi, sorry for the late reply, welcome to that channel!
Congrats on the BB and sub by, fantastic comment, thank you for sharing,
Best regards,
TGV
Thank you for this. I'm 27 and planning to buy a Seiko SNK809. This is such a good video to keep novice watch lovers guided and grounded.
tracking U-boats in the background?
Love the radar.
Standard practice in Japan to keep an eye out for Godzilla
I'm 24, been a big fan of watches since a family member gifted me a beautiful skeleton watch when I was 16. I now know it is a fashion watch with not much value in the market but it still means a lot to me because of the person who gave it to me at an important point of my life, and to be it is absolutely stunning. I've used it very sparingly and only worn it on special occasions and it still works after 8 years. I've just purchased an skx013 because for a long time I've either used a digital watch or just used my phone, and I thought it's about time I got a proper mechanical wristwatch to remind myself daily that I'm a responsible gentleman who is aware of the importance of keeping time. I've also purchased 2 spare watchbands so that I can swap and change the style to suit my outfit. I think I'll be very happy with this watch as I work my way towards my dreams and I hope to have the means in my 30s, once I have a comfortable amount of savings and built a family, to be able to collect a few more beautiful pieces. Glad to have found your channel!
I just can't get on board with the collar popping. Minor complaint tho. Great vid!
This dude is a free life lesson, I am young, just got my first job out of uni, and Ive got so much to learn. Thank you so much for this.
Thank you TGV for a most insightful video. What really rang home for me was buy according to what you can afford and yes it's never a good idea to get into debt. I watch your videos regularly and I'm a big fan !
Cheers.
So glad to hear, thank you Robert,
Best regards,
TGV
The biggest thing my father taught me was “All the money in the world could never buy class!”
& in this life I’ve lived, that proves correct time & time again.
Nice video TGV
I think the only rule I have on watches is that it has to be a watch company that made it.
The mass market fossil made re-branded stuff does not appeal to me.
Nothing wrong with mass market re-branded stuff as long as one isn't paying insane prices for it. E.g. Daniel Wellington, they sell for around $100+ USD on Amazon while I purchased and off brand Chinese watch Joeson & Leaders that looks, feels, and works exactly like the DW and is $8.99 probably made with the same quality control in the same factory.
Fossil I find are the exeption. They are great looking watches, that are maybe a bit overpriced, but work as well and/or better than you would expect for the price you pay.
Obviously once you get into more well established watch brands it's unlikely you will go back to a brand like fossil, but I've never met someone who felt like their money was wasted on a fossil watch.
Watching this in 2017. I'm from the States and truly appreciate and respect your honest and extremely modest videos. I'm a tech guy who was into smart watches from Apple and Samsung and later realized that they weren't for me. I came to a realization that traditional watches have a soul to them. Anywho, I went through my fair share of budget friendly watches and finally landed on the Omega Seamaster. I cleared out all my others watches to save up for this one and have been in love with this ever since. I have only one watch now and change the bands according to the occasion. I tell you all this because I wanted to let you know that your video's were very inspirational. They helped me find the watch I love, and I truly appreciate you for it. If you ever come down to California (Bay Area), I would love to buy you a beer, cheers friend!
Thank you TGV for your comments on snobbery and gentlemanly-ness (making up words here!). Well stated all around. John
when you talked about being the gentleman I just reminded me of movie Kings man "manner maketh man".
It is not about what you have, it is how to present yourself as a person.
Remember G-Shock also has their G-Steel series you can wear those with suits anx tuxedos.
But this video was a great video. You had a good overall perspective.
I love my bronze G Steel XD
I've only started following you today and have spent most of my time working randomly from one video to another. I haven't found a single video I didn't like or was informative but THIS one has increased my respect for you immensely. Everything you said about snobbery can be applied to nearly every aspect of live beyond just watches. I'm really going to enjoy working through every one of your videos. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing. You have an interesting take on matching a watch to a strap. Makes a lot of sense.
And I agree that a watch shouldn't be just worn for show. It should be appreciated. This is why as much as possible I stay away from quartz and electronic watches. I prefer that when I buy a watch my money goes to the artists who painstakingly spend hours on a bench putting a mechanical movement together. The end result is a precision machine designed to withstand knocks and bumps, temperature and humidity changes...and still keep accurate time throughout the day. That is no small feat!
I recently purchased a triple date, automatic Jaramar with open heart and exhibition back. It is 49.9 mm, not including buttons or crown. Big enough that I can clearly see the dial without my glasses. Also, because every watch I wear is a "tool" watch, I find it irritating to look down to see the time only to find the watch disappeared under my sleeve. This watch does not let me down. It resists the sleeve.
Keep the videos coming!
+Harold Bullock Fantastic comment as always, thank you Harold.
Nice one,
Best regards,
TGV
There's a great channel on youtube called Sartorial Talks with a Parisian gentleman teaching you everything about suits. His definition of a gentleman is my favourite "A gentleman is someone who puts people at ease". Pure class.
what a great video.........classy and wise.....thank you sir.
I enjoyed listening to you about being a genuine gentleman. I think we need more people like you spreading the right values. Regards
Great video, T - I loved your take on snobbery. You are a true gentleman, indeed.
+Jonny Casual p.s. Speaking of Indian food, I watched this video while making naan for tonight's dinner - palak paneer, Jonny Casual style ;).
+Jonny Casual Very kind Jonny boy!!! Thank you.
As for the indian food, don't forget to put a bit of Ravi on
LOVE a good curry.. mmmmmm :D
Best regards,
TGV
You are a True Gentleman Sir. Total respect for this video, you explained the unexplainable quality of a true gentleman. THANKYOU
Dear TGV , thank you for bringing nobility to this world that is moving towards cultural brutalization . Cheers.
Whatever you say here is not only applicable to watches but also to life in general. It speaks volume about your education (the real education which leads to class, not degrees) and the quality of your upbringing... came here to learn about watch etiquette, but went through a refresher course on many more things. I completely agree with you. Thank you.
great video, I couldn't really afford my omega moon watch but I lusted after it for over 2 years and finally got it, and although It was way over my budget , I absolutely loved the look of it, the history of it and the fact that I know one day I will hand it down to one of my son's, I recently bought the Oris Sixty five, that cost alot less than my omega but it looked gorgeous as do my seikos and G Shocks. If I like a watch then I give it some time to dwell on before pulling the trigger, thanks Jason
Evidently, you're a sophisticated, educated, well-mannered, and worldly gentleman. I enjoy your videos. Thank you for sharing your knowledge on watches and how they relate to life, class, and gentlemen's unspoken and coded etiquette, that the new generations in general don't care or know much about. Personally, it is difficult to find people of class these days, and easy to find people with much money but no class.
i think no one should ever wear a watch thats more expensive than their house, regardless of age
+Sir Galahad hear hear.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
The Urban Gentry
sorry, too soon
Much respect to you for letting the viewers of this video know what it means to be a gentleman. Whether I choose to wear a Rolex or a Timex, I’m a gentleman by virtue of my morals and principles. My self-worth is measured by how I extend respect, empathy, sympathy, compassion, love, charity, etc. Those kinds of qualities can’t be purchased. Again, thank you for clarifying the meaning of gentleman.
Keep up the great work man, I agree with almost everything you say. The snobbery is so bad here in NY :(
+IIIJFRIII Thank you, glad to hear. Hopefully I am here to try and correct that regarding NY.
Best regards,
TGV
I live in nyc and 6 years later this statement still holds true. I have had women pull my wrist up to see what type of watch I was wearing
Hi TGV, great vid! One thing I'd like to add about coordination. I wear black or brown leather shoes to work every day and I extend the rule to match the color of one's shoes and belts (or in my case leather ends of braces) to my watch straps. Yes, obviously you can wear a metal bracelet and call it a day. But if you're more into leather straps and you do not want to confine your favorite watch to black or brown shoes and belts, then go with a nice royal blue or navy leather strap. It goes well with black and brown. And when you wear a blue strap, it could not possibly be expected of you to wear blue leather shoes or belts. So it looks good, coordinates well, and is still office appropriate. And you can wear your favorite watch every day regardless of your shoes or belt.
Oh, and if you are into Breitling but not their sizes, and do not mind getting a second-hand watch, definitely get a Breitling Navitimer Montbrillant from the 1990s which is 38mm in diameter. That's what I did. And as with other Navitimer it looks larger than it is given the lack of an outer bezel.
Subscribed and cheers!
ur a true gentleman..cheers.,:)
+ashique ali Thank you so much, very kind of you to say.
Best regards,
TGV
+The Urban Gentry Love this video!
I also very liked this video, especially the last part when you talked about snobbery - for some reason many people mix class with snobbery and it was just so nice to hear that it's not right :)
I'm just learning about watches and you've taught so much common sense in this video and you are truly a gentleman thank you
I have to say I have really been enjoying the recent videos, as they all tend to deal with topics that particularly relevant to me and my stage of collecting. Especially the topic with the age and social economical implications of certain pieces. Sort of like my seamaster, or even my oris; I worked hard, saved my money and bought something I love but I get a lot of reverse snobbery for the amount of money I spent on those watches. I'm 27, myself and my friends are sort of established or working towards that. I make good money, but I'm not a suit and tie guy, or even an everyday polo guy. So those 1000$+ pieces are a grey area. I'm actually questioning ("Is it acceptable?" or "Do I really care?") the Speedy I intend to reward myself with in a couple of months and the Rolex for my 30th. Anyways sorry about the rant, this topic is just really on point with what I have going on.
I want to make a comment about watch size that applies only to gshocks. Rock out with your shock out. And what I mean by that is, if you like wear it. It doesn't matter how big it is or how small your wrist is. They are a tool watch and its all about functions. And if that function is to match your outfit is that function that's great; they are a fun affordable watch that I think normal sizing rules do not apply to.
Also, Seamaster is that acceptable for a wedding? And do have a "what being a gentleman is" video, because I would love to write a paragraph about that, especially after watching the last bit of this video...
Wonderful video!
Ron.
+ron “randomfied” p Your friends don't understand the amount of talent and hard work it takes to put together a fine watch, such as your Rolex. If you truly appreciate your watch and the people who put it together don't be ashamed to wear it. Maybe someday your friends will realize what it takes to create a fine timepiece. And then they will think different.
+ron “randomfied” p Hi Ron,
Truly great comment, so much to talk about there, thank you.
I will keep it simple, I intend to do a "What being a Gentleman Is" soon, actually nearer xmas as I have to reach and prep that quite a bit.
Stay tuned my friend,
Best regards,
TGV
+The Urban Gentry Of course, that's an absorbing topic, dating back at least to Aristotle!, and of course one key point is the value of liberality/generosity and the money to support this!
ron p,
So true about the G-Shock. I'm very 'outdoorsey' and my gshock rangeman has been an incredible tool for me. Its my everyday wear for work (I'm a nurse) for its ruggedness and features. I am a bit on the slender side, but ive noticed that even though it looks massive, it somehow doesn't look out of place. Great observation.
This was a brave video. Snobbery is an issue in society and always will be-where you live, what car you drive, your profession, etc. It's everywhere and I doubt that things will ever change. People just complicate their lives by insensitive behavior towards others. Great talk TGV.
I think that in terms of the "appropriateness" it has more to do with how far you've made it in life than age. So, if you have built a large company in your early twenties, then its still fine to wear a Patek Perpetual Calendar if that's what strikes your fancy. Its more about having earned the money you spend on a fine timepiece than it is how old you are.
It is not what you can afford or what you feel that you deserve. Modesty is a virtue.
I am not so sure about this. I do think that there are age-appropriate fashion ideas. One might be physically fit in his 50's, but wearing high school brands would be absurd. Similarly an 18-year-old wearing an Armani tux to his high school reunion would be vulgar.
There is a time and place for everything.
I think you both have some good points, there's degrees. There's a reason it's such a trope for a salesman to buy a rolex with his first commission check large enough to purchase one: because it's a sign you've made something of yourself, you've done well.
An 18-year-old in an armani tux to a high-school reunion is an extreme example because he's vastly overdressing for the occasion. Showing up to a dress casual event in black tie screams arrogance or insecurity. On the other hand, showing up in dress casual from the best brands you can afford doesn't scream insecurity in the same way even if it is a several hundred to thousand dollar outfit. You can dress classy, and expensively, but still be dress casual.
I think the best principle to follow is to remember what a gentleman is and the essential characteristics of a gentleman. A gentleman should be slow to cause offense and quick to remedy an insult, and certainly never seek to draw undue attention to himself. So I say match your accessories, like your dress, to the crowd you're with. Wear something that is, or looks to be, something the average person of the event you're going to could stretch to buy, or as an alternative go with something nicely understated that won't draw any attention.
Austin Mullins u are right about that thanks
I purchased my first Rolex when I was 20. It was a Stainless SUB with date. Throughout my twenties, I picked up a few "expensive" watches and never gave a damn about appropriateness. When I turned 28, I purchased my first precious metal watch. The white gold Rolex SUB, with blue face(smurf)116619LB. Wear what you like regardless of others opinion. I understand that there are a lot of people who buy a watch just to impress others(pretentious assholes), but that is no way to live. You'll never enjoy life if you live to impress others.
I love your video. Your idea of a gentleman is truly what we need these days.
Well said Sir! I completely agree with you, I think it's great that this ideas are brought to realization here on youtube, keep it up and thanks for the video!
It’s very refreshing to see a first rate, first class real gentleman like yourself speak on good values.
Love the debt & age philosophy here....you hit it in the nail....
+Andy Ayala Thank you Andy,
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TGV
I am glad to have subscribed to this channel. Not just about wrist watch, but also about class and respect.
Love your opinions on age appropriation. I am currently 18, and yes I'd love to have an omega, but that's not high on the list of things I need to pay for at my age with college, and things of that nature that need to be payed for. If I saved up for awhile with money separate from other savings and could finally afford an omega with cash, then yes I agree that is okay. Like you said though, ONLY if the person really appreciates and takes care of the piece.
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Age appropriateness is crucial, but, as a poet once said "being young is an illness that only time can cure", young people will make mistakes, that's what they do, however, the most important part of it is: Knowledge is constructed in increments, built upon previous knowledge; you have to KNOW what is like to own a fashion watch, KNOW what is like to own a tank-like Seiko 5, a Timex, a Casio so, when you decide to move to "bigger and better", as it where, you know what you are looking for, you know what you like and what you don't so you make an EDUCATED DECISION. And that is something no one can have just by birthright.
Great channel!
Cheers!
how did you fit this much truth in 22 min hahah!
+Joey Z Very kind Joey, thank you!
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TGV
To respect whether somebody can afford a good, average or inexpensive watch is to be a real gent. And you're one sir.
you,sir,are a real gentleman
Very kind, thank you so much Harry,
Best regards,
TGV
Thanks for that last point on being open minded. For many people (myself included) $500 for a watch is quite a lot, and $200 for a watch is still a more than what is normally considered reasonable for a watch. Timex, Casio or cheaper Seiko's are often our choices for watches. So with this knowledge considered, It's just very refreshing to see an individual such as yourself talk about snobbery and being open minded.
Thank you, you got yourself a new sub.
I have a couple Ripcurl watches because I surf allot, one is a $200 tide watch, the other just a normal but colorful swatch type. I was given a Rolex back in 99 as a gift, it's worth about $3000. I never wear it because I just think it's too expensive and flashy for most of the stuff I wear. So I get what you're saying 👍
Can I have it?
What Rolex model is it?
Good form Igloo, however, the Rolex will look great on those occasions that the Rolex is called for and you are a very lucky person to receive such a gift.
I’m 13
my four main watches:
Beater/Diver: G Shock AWG-M100SBG
Casual: Casio Edifice 5233
Dress: Tissot Quickster Chronograph
Smart (made a mistake by buying it but it got me into watches): Fitbit Charge 2
Wagner? What watch would he wear from today's field? A. Lange & Sohne, of course!!
Definitely!
I know this is age old, but this HAS to be the best Urban Gentry show ever! Love being educated in the fine art of becoming a gentleman. Sine Nobilis (SNOB). It's hard to find a more educated opinion about this than TGV's. Remember to ask the question: "Are you a better person today, than you were yesterday?"
Some superb points here, TGV - we both know of at least one self-appointed 'expert' on TH-cam who went out and bought his Rolex/Patek collection with credit cards then proceeded to slag off 'mid-tier' watches and their owners. I wont labor the point, but the guy just comes across as a complete tosser. Your point re snobbery rings true in every hobby I've had anything to do with - audio, vintage cars, even surfing - and the common denominator is that the forums are all dominated by males between 20 and 50, and I'm sad to say that my fellow Aussies seem to have joined the Americans in valuing toys according to their sticker price : it becomes less about the hobby and more about an endless pissing contest.
I think the value system you profess is admirable and wish more of us could strive toward being " true gentlemen." Thanks for the outstanding message.
Great video! You mentioned you had a small wrist, do you mind me asking what size is your wrist? I'm a beginner collector and have thin wrists as well (around 6 inches) and love smaller watches. I also feel like 38mm is my limit and would love to collect things between 35-38mm.
Absolutely nailed it on snobbery TGV. Great vid.
It's not intrinsically bad to wear a very expensive watch but it's about your knowledge and appreciation for what you have. But more importantly the way you treat others around you
+Sean Lawlor Thank you Sean, really appreciate the comment and support.
Very well said.
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TGV
I really appreciate this lesson. Great job sir! subscribed
Why nonbody answer my cuestiona. Need to reduce the size of Seiko for ladies, very small plateado, esfera is octogonal, all plateado. Without numbers, just doots, very japanesse.. love .l have to take it to enlarge the wrist size . Is super small .who Can do that ? Have to send it to Seiko concesionaria. And the where. Is used cannot returns
Thanks Alicia Nieto. Do a vídeo about the best or any good kind ladies watches. Have one Longiiness. Small. All gold. Bulova, very antique. And Elguin all gold super small So femeninas all. !!!!!!!! Thanks.
One of the realeast if not the realest gentlemans channel.. So happy Ive fount out about you! Just bought my furst Seiko few days ago and I love your videos. All of you opinions are just as mine, but as a young man you can get really distracted in todays society.. Really aprreciate your content I hope to see you prosper even more! Take care
I have higher respect for you after watching this video. Thanks for the reminder.
Thank you James, honoured to hear.
Best regards,
TGV
Bro these videos are some of the few that I Would not only remember for life but also will highly recommend to many guys to watch. Thanks for your honesty. Love your passion.
I think you quite encouraging me to be who I am and love the watch on my wrist no matter how much it cost. Everyone born in different status in this society, however, we should pay our 100％ respect to all people we meet. Thank you!
I wear scrubs everyday and Im tired of looking at my gshock. Can I wear my Omega SMP?
Sure, why not!
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Or get yourself a smaller casio sports watch
I just got vintage 37mm seiko moonphase. I was first disappointed by size and than when i puted it on i noticed it feels perfect. Really glad i got it
TUG, great job. this is a common sense video on purchasing & wearing great time pieces of all price ranges. I am now a subscriber. arupian666 comment said it best. Well done.
Thank you and welcome aboard!
Best regards,
TGV
Popping collars is really bad form in Brazil, because it is very common among ignorant people here, I don't know why. But you really pull it off, having a true inspiration.
@The Urban Gentry: What brand is the watch box/wallet you are showing from the 1:29 to the 1:35 minute mark? Thank you!
Great blog. With the variety of styles and possibilities in there, this talk gives some important guidelines for everyone who has real passion to real watches
To the "thumbs down guy/girl": The video was uploaded just now...you didn't even watch the entire video..
Just go away and fly a kite!
I think some people just wake up butt hurt Daniel.
+Daniel T. Müller There are some gadflies on TH-cam that just like to criticize and put down, and don't add anything of substance.
+Daniel T. Müller Casey Neistat did an excellent vlog about haters today, really inspiring and so true.
Don't worry chaps, all part of the game.
Thanks for the support, always appreciated.
Best regards,
TGV
+Jonny Casual
Correctamundo!
+Jack1979
Haha.
I pity them.
Totally agree,no one has the right to look down to anyone,at the horological world or in any kind of activity,a real gentleman never do that,thank you for your videos they help and illustrate a lot
Eric Cantona ?
Far more than watch advises. Especially #4 and #5 would make great rules for the entire life. That‘s what my wife and I are trying to hand to our children for their current and future attitude. And you package that in such a classy way... I teally appreciate this video (like your whole channel)