I wish that the young people today would listen to the older generation. They could learn a lot more than the internet could ever teach them. The older generation will teach you real history. With all the finer details you will never find on the internet. Or in a book
You just hit on the key to great success (in my opinion). I tell my grandkids that to become successful and rich, all you have to do is listen and believe the older generation. They've been there and done it all and know what mistakes they made and can tell you how not to make those same errors.
This interview is extremely compelling. She is too articulate, knowledgeable and matter of factly to discount it. I believe her 100%. I live in New Mexico and have been visiting many of these locations. I was just at FT Stanton and Lincoln in April and did a walkthrough of the courthouse. In addition, Torreón NM (which she mentioned toward the end of the interview) is 30 minutes from my house and I frequently ride my motorcycles through that area.
You're so right. There are many families whose relatives have been mis-labeled or over hyped as legendary criminals. I speak from experience. My elderly great grandpa was shot in the head at the court house on the day he testified against a couple of drunks who pistol whipped a traveling card shark that had cheated them. My great grandfather was present during the card games, witnessed the discovery that the traveling gambler had cheated. They found out where he was boarding overnight, lured him out, took back their money and scuffed him up a little in the process. The card shark filed charges, but my great grandpa's pedigree as a leading citizen led to a change of venue 2 or 3 counties on down the train track. In the interim said card shark went into the county seat where the trial was to take place mounting an elaborate charm offensive. For months he met and schmoozed all the leading citizens of that town. He went to church, made friends with the sheriff, the judge, etc, etc. Now 100 yrs later some amateur playwright from that county seat has written a wild-west, sensationalized version using my great grandfather's name as the arch-villain of a murder plot. The town where my great grandfather was murdered during a court recess celebrates his murder as a "gang" member annually as part of their founders reunion. Obviously no one in that county seat followed the murder case when my great grandfather's killer fingerd the wandering gambler for having hired him to kill the elderly witness to the cheating he committed during the card game. Another change of venue, another county seat where the card shark was found guilty of hiring the killer, and mentally insane (due to his relative's testimony). He spent a decade locked up at Wichita Falls, then died within a short time after release. IMO the price he paid for my elderly great grandfather's death wasn't sufficient. I have a carload of female cousins who I've tried to talk into crashing the play at the founders celebration to correct the record regarding our great grandfather's death. They're too chicken to confront the small town's leading citizens due to business and social concerns. I don't care about those things, I just want besmirchment of our grandmother's father's name to stop.
Imagine not having information at your fingertips....you do not need to develop a good memory when you can recall information with technology....this lady grew up Fully Immersed in her environment, and to me, her memory is proof
The older generation knew the truth and had some of the best stories thank you, and it was told in my family that my great grandfather was some kind of sheriff here in Texas, and Jesse stayed with him one night, I always loved that story whether it was true or not
Jessie James used to cross the river from Kentucky to Missouri at the old Hickman Kentucky ferry. There is still a ferry there. He had carved his name under one of the tables of the old bar there. As a child I climbed under and saw it.
Great interview. It’s great hearing from someone who lived in those times, like Mrs Everhard. Most of our his-story is a lie. Thank you for this video.
They did facial matchup, the same as the FBI uses, and it was a 93% match that Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid. 93% match is enough to convict someone of a crime, so in my opinion, it’s enough to prove that Brushy Bull was in fact BTK. He also had the same wounds known to have been on BTK, same eye color and had one ear bigger than the other like BTK, showed he could slip outta handcuffs as could BTK, and was 5’8”, same as BTK. Could describe the lay out of the house that Billy supposedly died in and could describe the layout of Lincoln County during the Lincoln County War. All that, again, I firmly believe that Brushy Bull was none other than Billy the Kid himself
Thanks Brett for these interviews, I wish I had gotten to know my elders in my own family, sadly they all passed before I had the mind to ask questions of our lineage
See my relatives are exactly like this.....They talked and you learned many things from them. My Great-Great Grandfather was still alive when I was a child, he told me his family would take a horse drawn wagon from our old family farm in Oklahoma to Ft Smith Arkansas for supplies. 20 miles away and it took them 3 days, round trip. He loved going because his Dad would buy him candy. He was born in 1884 and died in 1972.
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I think he was lying about taking them 3 days for a 20 mile ride in a horse buggy.....
@ na, those horses were plow horses and it was not a buggy but a wagon. Try walking 20 miles see how long it takes you....plus, they had to cross the Arkansas river. 3 days.....indeed.
When I was a kid, I used to do the 20 mile walk for the march of dimes. That 20 miles in sandiego took us all day to walk...1 day walking. Them horses musta been very old and very slow, or lame.
@@billschatz2340 Were you on flat road? Did you have to cross a large river by ferry? Hmmm I believe it was around 20 miles....but that's before we have the road of today. Could have been 6 miles longer. Think, that was the late 1880's early 90's in Oklahoma. Have you ever watched or read the books of Laura Wilder Ingalls? the wilderness they lived in was near Independence, Kansas....that is only 15 years earlier than my Great Grandfather in Oklahoma. Just imagine, the 10th President John Tyler had until last year two grandsons living...one died, but he still has one! Grandson...you have to look at the time. We've come a long way in a very short period!
@@tmcge3325 maybe he meant three days there and back. But possibly the ferry crossed but once a day, forcing them to overnight twice. Even a plow horse walks 3 mph, so let's say it was 26 miles, that's less than 9 hours actual travelling.
Miss Everhard speaks of letters: - Between Jesse and Billy later in their golden years - From Jesse and Billy to Ola around the same time - From Ozark Jack Berlin in Petersburg, Indiana - From Pat Garrett's daughter, mentioning her belief that her father never killed Billy - From Frank James' daughter, Mary James-Norris in Claremore, Oklahoma - From the man who took Billy to a dentist known as Dr. Cruz in 1932 - Short stories Billy had published in a magazine - A recording of Billy and Jesse on NBC's "We the People" radio program with a Mr. Davidson (January 13th, 19??) - A photograph from Jesse's 102nd birthday with Mary James, Ozark Jack, Billy, and others - Ola's transcriptions of Lawton Constitution 1882 newspapers - And a map of the Canadian ranch where Jesse worked from 1933-1935 Has any of her material survived? Mr. Tunstill mentions that he had Xerox copies of a few, and she mentions that some of her letters were published in newspapers around the Southwest and Canada. Sorry if this is already known - I'm just getting into this. I don't think they would hold up as any kind of evidence, but if what we all believe to be true turns out to be so, these could be important historical documents some day. Any idea, Mr. Hall? Thank you for posting. Excellent stuff, partner.
I have copies of those mentioned by Tunstill that he received from Ola. Some of them I've shown and cited in my other videos on Roberts. I also have a copy of her manuscript. Bud Hardcastle wrote a book based on Ola's manuscript and documents titled, The Hoax that Let Jesse James Live. I will be including more of her materials in future videos, thanks for watching.
I really expected you to say: "Sadly, everything was lost in the floods of '89" like every other conspiracy ever lol. I'm glad to hear it. I probably should have watched more than two of your videos before commenting. Fair enough, subbed and going down the rabbit hole! Have a good day@@brushybret
Well the interviewer certainly liked to talk a lot. Wish he'd cared as much about listening. He knew the story he wanted her to tell and tried to steer her when he should have gotten out of the way.
The interview was based on her manuscript, which was released in the early 1950s. She wasn't in the greatest of health, which is why it probably comes across like that. Also, keep in mind that this interview wasn't released publicly. It was from a private collection.
I was blessed, to have my great grandparents around until I was a Jr. In high school. Also, my great, great, uncles and aunts. They told me wonderful stories of or family and our roots. Going back until the war of 1812. I've passed these same stories down to my children, and they theirs. Families, need to do this or it will be lost forever.
My father’s parents lived on our property until they passed on. I grew up listening to grandma’s stories and watching grandpa hobble around the place helping out. He had a stroke and didn’t walk or speak right but it was no big deal to us kids; he was just grandpa. Mom learned gardening and canning from grandma and I’ve learned from mom. We attended huge family reunions until my dad died. I was only eleven when he was in the accident but we sort of drifted away from that family after that.
I love this ladies sense of humor, her laughter especially, and her unending and accurate recall of names, dates, and places. Most of all, I believe her story, her facts, and her characterization of the guilty people and parties. I believe we did Jesse James and Brushy Bill “Billy the Kid” Roberts a real disservice by the fools that don’t want to hear the truth. Their minds were made up and weren’t going to be bothered by the facts!
It’s very true especially concerning Brushy Bill. It’s like listening to the fake MSM. They sold a bill of goods by the manipulating media. The truth is often much different than we have been told. It’s gonna be interesting how the Brushy Bill/ Billy the Kid , his-story ends up. There is still contention as to Jesse James death and funeral coverup. It’s also comparable to JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald and Did “Elvis” fake his own death?
the truth? Remember plenty of people that knew Billy saw him after he died and were saying he was dead at the same time Brushy Bill selling his claims.
This is the best interview that I see about Jesse James and Billy the kid and the rest !!! the only thing is that someone needs to make this video more quality in the sound . there is here someone that knows how to do this ???
Frank also ran a brothel in St. Jo Mo. My great great grandfather when the brothel closed there was armoires and furniture that was peg built, so they said to him anything you can take out you can have. My family owns a wagon table, one that broke down, a armoire, a desk and two 6 draw dressers. All came out of that brothel closed in the 1890's.
That is a great piece of history and so glad you have had it passed down the family line ..have you ever though of loaning it to a museum? I'm from the UK and a lot of people over here are fascinated by the history of the old west
That’s is incredibly cool! My mom tells the story her grandmother told her about the James gang riding up to their farm when she was a little girl. Her dad told all the family to get down on the floor in case shooting started. They exchanged horses and rode off. Mom’s grandmother, being a curious little girl, peeked out of the window.
@@mattmeagher365 I am smiling all over with just that small bit of your family contact with the James gang..it really brings it to life and reminds us all that this wasnt a film or book, this actualy happened
Truly fascinating. Want the truth, here it is. Nobody at this age can make this story up as if they were around when all this went down. This info comes from actually being there and remembrance. This is great stuff.
All the letters Ms Ola had regarding Billy, I wonder what happened to them after she died.. Who has them now? They should be preserved due to their historical values!
William Tunstill sent me his papers before he passed away that contained copies of her letters. I show some of them in my video on Roberts literacy. After Ola passed away, I believe her husband Aubrey gave the originals to researcher Bud Hardcastle. Thanks for watching.
@@xGamingWithJasonx However the term “west” refers to the fact that the united states is in the west. Not that the wild “west” only existed on the West coast, silly!
@@zezumi1120 lol that has nothing to do with eadt or west in the United States this is refering to the west not as a country to the west of others lmao "Silly"
She related a great story that could not have been made up...when you're part of the main storyline and knew personally it's historically important to get more before their voices are silenced forever..thanks for the post...
I'd love to see a movie about this. This young lady reminds me of my mama's people. I miss the old timers from the south. They don't make em like this anymore.
Its hard to believe fact over fiction when the fiction was spewed at us for years. I believe her. These people are trying to make her out like she is feeble minded and she's anything but that. She sounds pretty smart to me. Why would she make all that up? Its too much to remember. She has a great personality. I hope everybody believes her.
Interesting. I too used to have in depth conversations with people born in the 1870's and since. Living history, that being history is just the story of the life's of other people, just like all of us.
History is just a rough guide to what happened but it's full of lies and half truths. I'm quite sure they new were all the country's and land masses were 100s of years before there discovery but didn't have they weapons to over take them so they were left till they could conquer them
Yeah, the video was taken from an old VHS tape that was in terrible shape. I've been playing around with cleaning up the audio and will try and post a cleaner audio copy in the future.
Very interesting interview. This only adds to the mystery and intrigue of "my" (lol) Billy the Kid and Jesse James. I have read a ton of 'factual' books on Billy, but not much on Jesse James. Definitely going to start reading into him though. Subscribed to your channel. Cant wait to watch the rest of your videos.
I know right... I love listening to our elders when they want to teach us the way things were back in the day....she has only confirmed what I believed LoL
Thanks mr. Brett Hall I am of course a history buff and love the old Wild West stories most of all the factual ones. And I really enjoy Bob Bose Bells stories about the old Wild West and I began to really enjoy yours as well because you come up with some pretty good videos
@@brushybret I will continue to watch and look for more interesting Wild West stories from you and any more factual accounts especially of Billy the Kid or any other high-profile Western icon
You know a Texian has been around awhile when you hear "FORTworth". I'm a native of the Panhandle and never heard Cowtown pronounced like that until I met my husband who's parents were out of E TX.
You know, I've researched Billy the Kid & Jesse James. I believe evey word, that this elderly woman, has spoken out of her mouth. She's sharp as a whip! -Min. Obie Amos.
Recorded one year before my birth, so it is serving it's purpose of learning to children of the future as it is 2022, thank you for this amazing piece of history. Who would I contact to be able to pay this on my channel, not for monetary gain of any, just to be there for others to see...
@@BlackbirdSpecOps It is amazing to me how many people are so easily able to circumnavigate logic to believe what they've emotionally invested in. Aren't you the guy that wrote a book on this subject?
@@BlackbirdSpecOps With all due respect, you seem completely unaware of the arguments against your side's position. Most of the people that supporters of the historical status quo claim viewed the body gave conflicting accounts, depending on who they were talking to. Jesus Silva and Frank Lobato told the "accepted version" when talking to outsiders, primarily "gringos" whereas they told Miguel Antonio Otero that they never saw the body of the man killed, but were simply "told it was the Kid". Paulita and Deluvina Maxwell reportedly told Walter Noble Burns the "accepted version" but researcher Jon Tuska found a letter Paulita wrote a friend where she stated that she and Deluvina weren't even in Ft. Sumner that night and didn't return until the following evening when the man shot by Garrett was already buried. Some researchers now believe that some, if not all, of the interviews presented in the Burns book to be complete fabrications. For instance, in the Burns account, Paulita claims she was in the bedroom when Garrett shot the man. Most supporters of the historical status quo conveniently omit this part when citing Paulita's statements. John Collins claimed that he and another man dug the grave and buried the body that night, and no one was allowed to view the body. John Poe has gone back and forth as to the identity of the man shot and killed that night. He told D.D. Sharpe that it wasn't the Kid killed that night. Thomas McKinney told his son, grandson, daughter, cousin, and nephew all that it wasn't the Kid that was killed and that he was killed before entering the house. Paco Anaya, who is often cited as one of the people to see the body, told his family that the man killed was not Billy the Kid, but another man named Billy, which is interesting because according to Brushy Bill Roberts, the man shot by Garrett was named Billy Barlow. Sources: The Real Billy the Kid by Miguel Antonio Otero, They Knew Billy the Kid by Robert F. Kadlec, Ride For Mexico Billy by Ben Kemp (Frontier Times March 1980), Cold Case: Billy the Kid by W.C. Jameson, The Dirty on Billy the Kid by Steve Sederwall, Billy the Kid: His life & Legend by Jon Tuska, Tall Tales and Half Truths of Billy the Kid by John LeMay, correspondence between William V. Morrison, Cliff McKinney, Felix McKinney, and Clark McKinney (1950-1956). You can hear the interview with Anaya's grandson at this link: th-cam.com/video/nd34jMnXMFU/w-d-xo.html
One of Billy's friends that many do not know about that knew him before and after his purported death in 1881 was named James Asa Niblack. His grandson Carroll told my father about it.
@@100texan2 lol!!!! And so many have forgotten, this all started when a scrawny punk kid shot up a black church and they dug deep enough to find 1 pic of him and a rebel flag. It all snowballed from there.
My families last name is Roberts. And all us are from Texas. And we have lived just about everywhere in Texas at some point. Im in my late 40's now and I remember of hearing having a Grandpa named William H. Roberts. when i was a kid. He would of been born in the 20's probably between 1920-25 We never knew who his parents were. Ive Always wondered 🤔🤣 Whats funny is I surprisingly actually look alot like Brushy already at half his age🤣
I visited Jesse James gravesite in Granbury. At the time I didn’t believe it was the actual Jesse James but since viewing this video I do believe it is him down in that grave.
@@TheHaratashi That test has been discredited and many of the individuals involved have since come out against it. Apparently, the bones in the grave were too degraded and didn't contain any usable DNA. The DNA was actually taken from a tooth that was found on the James Family property by Clay County Park officials in the 1970s and stored in a Tupperware container. The only DNA found was mitochondrial DNA and only proved a partial match, meaning that it contained DNA from Zerelda's family line and no one really knows who that tooth belonged to... only that it was a James family member, which should be expected since it was on the family's property. But no DNA was extracted from the body in the grave whatsoever. I will be covering this in a future video. Thanks for watching.
So she's saying Jesse James was 104 years old when he died. My Grandmother is 98 years old.. l sit and listen to her stories of the old days all day long.
@@Cary543 I missed it too. Many of the viewers probably knew that J. Frank Dalton is allegedly the real Jesse James. If you don't know that, it gets confusing why she calls Dalton Uncle Jesse.
My family the Milam's lived adjacent to the James boys with their aunt Zerelda and stepfather Samuel's. They knew each other very well, helped each other out. The James, or Samuels owned 3 slaves the Milam's had 12. My family would lend them help when they needed it. In fact after Pinkerton firebombed the house, his aunt had a mangled arm, and their stepfather was hung but cut down but the damage was done. Who do you think helped them after that! Look up the Milam's!
Zerelda was Jesse & Frank's Mother, Not their Aunt & She was Married to Dr. Samuel. The mistake may lie in the fact that Jesse's Wife Zerelda was named after her Aunt Zerelda who was also Jesse's Mother. Jesse & Zerelda were First Cousins
@@tHEdANKcRUSADER clanton gang ran with Jesse too my dad best buddy is a decedent of clanton family so wish I knew more when I was kid so I would asked more questions
This woman does not skip a beat, she knows dates times, and the story. She is truly a blessing.
Having an interview with this kind of information is definitely astounding! And this information is priceless, history is amazing!!
I wish that the young people today would listen to the older generation. They could learn a lot more than the internet could ever teach them. The older generation will teach you real history. With all the finer details you will never find on the internet. Or in a book
yes what i was taught by my grandparents was to be self sufficient
Lol the internet is just a means of communication on a global scale, I wouldn't be learning about this if it wasn't for the internet
Truth
Hell, I'm 53 and young to her. 😆
You just hit on the key to great success (in my opinion). I tell my grandkids that to become successful and rich, all you have to do is listen and believe the older generation. They've been there and done it all and know what mistakes they made and can tell you how not to make those same errors.
I always loved Jessy James and Billy The Kid. The typical stories I grew up with never sat well with me - I'm so happy they lived long lives 🙂
I have listened to this over and over .All the historians needed to interview her .
How would they. Couldn’t get a question in . She’ll keep talking over them and repeating the same old line.
She's a sharp as a knife,
a woman doesn't talk like that without it being actual. 100% truth for me.
This interview is extremely compelling. She is too articulate, knowledgeable and matter of factly to discount it. I believe her 100%. I live in New Mexico and have been visiting many of these locations. I was just at FT Stanton and Lincoln in April and did a walkthrough of the courthouse. In addition, Torreón NM (which she mentioned toward the end of the interview) is 30 minutes from my house and I frequently ride my motorcycles through that area.
I totally believe her.
I believe her,the knowledge she has is the best i have heard.
Billy/Brushy Bill I vote for you
to get a pardon as promised.
Thanks so much for this delightful information lm so happy and delighted to hear these three men continued to live out there lives
They beat the odds
This changes everything and it's for the best thank u for your efforts.
Thanks for watching.
I love hearing her story, it's incredible so wonderful that you were able to post this recording of her. Thanks for sharing.
You're so right. There are many families whose relatives have been mis-labeled or over hyped as legendary criminals. I speak from experience.
My elderly great grandpa was shot in the head at the court house on the day he testified against a couple of drunks who pistol whipped a traveling card shark that had cheated them. My great grandfather was present during the card games, witnessed the discovery that the traveling gambler had cheated. They found out where he was boarding overnight, lured him out, took back their money and scuffed him up a little in the process.
The card shark filed charges, but my great grandpa's pedigree as a leading citizen led to a change of venue 2 or 3 counties on down the train track. In the interim said card shark went into the county seat where the trial was to take place mounting an elaborate charm offensive. For months he met and schmoozed all the leading citizens of that town. He went to church, made friends with the sheriff, the judge, etc, etc.
Now 100 yrs later some amateur playwright from that county seat has written a wild-west, sensationalized version using my great grandfather's name as the arch-villain of a murder plot.
The town where my great grandfather was murdered during a court recess celebrates his murder as a "gang" member annually as part of their founders reunion.
Obviously no one in that county seat followed the murder case when my great grandfather's killer fingerd the wandering gambler for having hired him to kill the elderly witness to the cheating he committed during the card game.
Another change of venue, another county seat where the card shark was found guilty of hiring the killer, and mentally insane (due to his relative's testimony). He spent a decade locked up at Wichita Falls, then died within a short time after release. IMO the price he paid for my elderly great grandfather's death wasn't sufficient.
I have a carload of female cousins who I've tried to talk into crashing the play at the founders celebration to correct the record regarding our great grandfather's death. They're too chicken to confront the small town's leading citizens due to business and social concerns. I don't care about those things, I just want besmirchment of our grandmother's father's name to stop.
This is great like going back in a time machine to interview these old folk that are long gone today.
Imagine not having information at your fingertips....you do not need to develop a good memory when you can recall information with technology....this lady grew up Fully Immersed in her environment, and to me, her memory is proof
The older generation knew the truth and had some of the best stories thank you, and it was told in my family that my great grandfather was some kind of sheriff here in Texas, and Jesse stayed with him one night, I always loved that story whether it was true or not
Jessie James used to cross the river from Kentucky to Missouri at the old Hickman Kentucky ferry. There is still a ferry there. He had carved his name under one of the tables of the old bar there. As a child I climbed under and saw it.
Great interview. It’s great hearing from someone who lived in those times, like Mrs Everhard. Most of our his-story is a lie. Thank you for this video.
Well said!
They did facial matchup, the same as the FBI uses, and it was a 93% match that Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid. 93% match is enough to convict someone of a crime, so in my opinion, it’s enough to prove that Brushy Bull was in fact BTK. He also had the same wounds known to have been on BTK, same eye color and had one ear bigger than the other like BTK, showed he could slip outta handcuffs as could BTK, and was 5’8”, same as BTK. Could describe the lay out of the house that Billy supposedly died in and could describe the layout of Lincoln County during the Lincoln County War. All that, again, I firmly believe that Brushy Bull was none other than Billy the Kid himself
Thanks Brett for these interviews, I wish I had gotten to know my elders in my own family, sadly they all passed before I had the mind to ask questions of our lineage
I can relate to what you're saying. Thanks for watching.
Same
See my relatives are exactly like this.....They talked and you learned many things from them. My Great-Great Grandfather was still alive when I was a child, he told me his family would take a horse drawn wagon from our old family farm in Oklahoma to Ft Smith Arkansas for supplies. 20 miles away and it took them 3 days, round trip. He loved going because his Dad would buy him candy. He was born in 1884 and died in 1972.
I think he was lying about taking them 3 days for a 20 mile ride in a horse buggy.....
@ na, those horses were plow horses and it was not a buggy but a wagon. Try walking 20 miles see how long it takes you....plus, they had to cross the Arkansas river. 3 days.....indeed.
When I was a kid, I used to do the 20 mile walk for the march of dimes. That 20 miles in sandiego took us all day to walk...1 day walking. Them horses musta been very old and very slow, or lame.
@@billschatz2340 Were you on flat road? Did you have to cross a large river by ferry? Hmmm I believe it was around 20 miles....but that's before we have the road of today. Could have been 6 miles longer. Think, that was the late 1880's early 90's in Oklahoma. Have you ever watched or read the books of Laura Wilder Ingalls? the wilderness they lived in was near Independence, Kansas....that is only 15 years earlier than my Great Grandfather in Oklahoma. Just imagine, the 10th President John Tyler had until last year two grandsons living...one died, but he still has one! Grandson...you have to look at the time. We've come a long way in a very short period!
@@tmcge3325 maybe he meant three days there and back. But possibly the ferry crossed but once a day, forcing them to overnight twice. Even a plow horse walks 3 mph, so let's say it was 26 miles, that's less than 9 hours actual travelling.
I could listen to Mr. Tunstill tell stories about the old west all day long. He has the old west accent and twang to his voice that just hooks you in!
I could listen to her for hours more!
Miss Everhard speaks of letters:
- Between Jesse and Billy later in their golden years
- From Jesse and Billy to Ola around the same time
- From Ozark Jack Berlin in Petersburg, Indiana
- From Pat Garrett's daughter, mentioning her belief that her father never killed Billy
- From Frank James' daughter, Mary James-Norris in Claremore, Oklahoma
- From the man who took Billy to a dentist known as Dr. Cruz in 1932
- Short stories Billy had published in a magazine
- A recording of Billy and Jesse on NBC's "We the People" radio program with a Mr. Davidson (January 13th, 19??)
- A photograph from Jesse's 102nd birthday with Mary James, Ozark Jack, Billy, and others
- Ola's transcriptions of Lawton Constitution 1882 newspapers
- And a map of the Canadian ranch where Jesse worked from 1933-1935
Has any of her material survived? Mr. Tunstill mentions that he had Xerox copies of a few, and she mentions that some of her letters were published in newspapers around the Southwest and Canada. Sorry if this is already known - I'm just getting into this. I don't think they would hold up as any kind of evidence, but if what we all believe to be true turns out to be so, these could be important historical documents some day. Any idea, Mr. Hall?
Thank you for posting. Excellent stuff, partner.
I have copies of those mentioned by Tunstill that he received from Ola. Some of them I've shown and cited in my other videos on Roberts. I also have a copy of her manuscript. Bud Hardcastle wrote a book based on Ola's manuscript and documents titled, The Hoax that Let Jesse James Live. I will be including more of her materials in future videos, thanks for watching.
I really expected you to say: "Sadly, everything was lost in the floods of '89" like every other conspiracy ever lol. I'm glad to hear it. I probably should have watched more than two of your videos before commenting. Fair enough, subbed and going down the rabbit hole! Have a good day@@brushybret
Well the interviewer certainly liked to talk a lot. Wish he'd cared as much about listening. He knew the story he wanted her to tell and tried to steer her when he should have gotten out of the way.
The interview was based on her manuscript, which was released in the early 1950s. She wasn't in the greatest of health, which is why it probably comes across like that. Also, keep in mind that this interview wasn't released publicly. It was from a private collection.
this is amazing. i believe every word of it. a big fan of Billy and jesses my whole life
I was blessed, to have my great grandparents around until I was a Jr. In high school. Also, my great, great, uncles and aunts. They told me wonderful stories of or family and our roots. Going back until the war of 1812. I've passed these same stories down to my children, and they theirs. Families, need to do this or it will be lost forever.
My father’s parents lived on our property until they passed on. I grew up listening to grandma’s stories and watching grandpa hobble around the place helping out. He had a stroke and didn’t walk or speak right but it was no big deal to us kids; he was just grandpa. Mom learned gardening and canning from grandma and I’ve learned from mom. We attended huge family reunions until my dad died. I was only eleven when he was in the accident but we sort of drifted away from that family after that.
I have to go back and watch this from time to time…. It’s truly fascinating!
I love this ladies sense of humor, her laughter especially, and her unending and accurate recall of names, dates, and places. Most of all, I believe her story, her facts, and her characterization of the guilty people and parties. I believe we did Jesse James and Brushy Bill “Billy the Kid” Roberts a real disservice by the fools that don’t want to hear the truth. Their minds were made up and weren’t going to be bothered by the facts!
I agree 100 percent and thanks for watching
You’re very welcome!
It’s very true especially concerning Brushy Bill. It’s like listening to the fake MSM. They sold a bill of goods by the manipulating media. The truth is often much different than we have been told. It’s gonna be interesting how the Brushy Bill/ Billy the Kid , his-story ends up. There is still contention as to Jesse James death and funeral coverup. It’s also comparable to JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald and Did “Elvis” fake his own death?
the truth? Remember plenty of people that knew Billy saw him after he died and were saying he was dead at the same time Brushy Bill selling his claims.
Mr. Hall i very much appreciate you hard work on finding out real facts on this subject your work is important to a lot of us enthusiasts. Thank you.
Born and raised in St. Joe, Missouri!!!
Very interesting, she has a great memory.
Made me sad when she said she told jessie that billy died with a tear in my eye Rip
This is the best interview that I see about Jesse James and Billy the kid and the rest !!! the only thing is that someone needs to make this video more quality in the sound . there is here someone that knows how to do this ???
I'm working on that. Thanks for watching.
Hi . did you make a new video with a good sound quality ??? @@brushybret
Frank also ran a brothel in St. Jo Mo. My great great grandfather when the brothel closed there was armoires and furniture that was peg built, so they said to him anything you can take out you can have. My family owns a wagon table, one that broke down, a armoire, a desk and two 6 draw dressers. All came out of that brothel closed in the 1890's.
That is a great piece of history and so glad you have had it passed down the family line ..have you ever though of loaning it to a museum? I'm from the UK and a lot of people over here are fascinated by the history of the old west
That’s is incredibly cool! My mom tells the story her grandmother told her about the James gang riding up to their farm when she was a little girl. Her dad told all the family to get down on the floor in case shooting started. They exchanged horses and rode off. Mom’s grandmother, being a curious little girl, peeked out of the window.
@@mattmeagher365 I am smiling all over with just that small bit of your family contact with the James gang..it really brings it to life and reminds us all that this wasnt a film or book, this actualy happened
Would love t see them!!
Yep...that is were I was conceived.
I believe every word she said! Reminds me of my granny and she didn't lie!
Truly fascinating. Want the truth, here it is. Nobody at this age can make this story up as if they were around when all this went down. This info comes from actually being there and remembrance. This is great stuff.
Old people makes shit up, get things confused just like the title of this video.
Brushy Bill was 2 year's Old the Year The Kid was Murdered in the Dark
@@thechado7868 yep
@@100texan2 What's confusing about the title of the video?
@@thechado7868 That's been debunked: th-cam.com/video/EK9oRxqmee0/w-d-xo.html
As a history buff I am just blown away.
All the letters Ms Ola had regarding Billy, I wonder what happened to them after she died.. Who has them now? They should be preserved due to their historical values!
William Tunstill sent me his papers before he passed away that contained copies of her letters. I show some of them in my video on Roberts literacy. After Ola passed away, I believe her husband Aubrey gave the originals to researcher Bud Hardcastle. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret Again, many many thanks Brett for all your hard work, I think Billy would be very proud.
It's pretty rare when the official story is the actual story in almost all of history
This is an awesome and fascinating interview
This fine lady is amazing. I believe everything she says.
What a great, and priceless interview, thanks for sharing.
I love this. Real old West History is so amazing!!
Sorry to tell ya but Missouri is not the old West its the Midwest far from the West.
@@xGamingWithJasonx However the term “west” refers to the fact that the united states is in the west. Not that the wild “west” only existed on the West coast, silly!
@@zezumi1120 lol that has nothing to do with eadt or west in the United States this is refering to the west not as a country to the west of others lmao "Silly"
@@xGamingWithJasonx That’s hardly even legible.
@@zezumi1120 lol what are you talking about do you not understand this is based in the U.S not the whole world Lol
She related a great story that could not have been made up...when you're part of the main storyline and knew personally it's historically important to get more before their voices are silenced forever..thanks for the post...
Most convincing testimony I have ever heard.So glad to here it.
God Bless you..., thank you for telling the Truth.
Wow!!! I believe it.. how is this not a thang!!!!?
Damn, this was awesome!! Thanks for sharing
Thank you for this.
I'd love to see a movie about this. This young lady reminds me of my mama's people. I miss the old timers from the south. They don't make em like this anymore.
Can anybody else tell that she was a pistol back then, imagine how much fun she was back in the 30's & 40's!!
I guarantee you that she was a hotrod. I wish I could have spent some time with her back then. She's still beautiful and sharp in this video
I believe this woman knows what she's talking about. The things she remembers is spectacular.
Fantastically,, tremendous history treat.
She is still so beautiful and she has a great personality and a great memory
Fascinating , I believe her !
Whatever, I love this tough old woman with the great old-west voice and accent. She, at least, seems like the real deal.
Its hard to believe fact over fiction when the fiction was spewed at us for years. I believe her. These people are trying to make her out like she is feeble minded and she's anything but that. She sounds pretty smart to me. Why would she make all that up? Its too much to remember. She has a great personality. I hope everybody believes her.
This is fantastic I love it
Interesting. I too used to have in depth conversations with people born in the 1870's and since. Living history, that being history is just the story of the life's of other people, just like all of us.
Ok I have to say. This is awesome .
One of my favorites
What I know from many years of living is that the history in books is not all that true.
It’s usually written by the winner... They are not always very objective in what happened ;-)
History is just a rough guide to what happened but it's full of lies and half truths. I'm quite sure they new were all the country's and land masses were 100s of years before there discovery but didn't have they weapons to over take them so they were left till they could conquer them
Great overall video! Thank you so much for sharing!!
Yeah, the video was taken from an old VHS tape that was in terrible shape. I've been playing around with cleaning up the audio and will try and post a cleaner audio copy in the future.
Oh my goodness, what a world of information, I wish we had a true movie of this.
100% she’s telling the truth!
Real American legends this is absolutely 💯 cool.
Very interesting interview. This only adds to the mystery and intrigue of "my" (lol) Billy the Kid and Jesse James. I have read a ton of 'factual' books on Billy, but not much on Jesse James. Definitely going to start reading into him though. Subscribed to your channel. Cant wait to watch the rest of your videos.
She can't be making this up as she recalls all dates and years. It is great that we have real people to us that truth
I know right... I love listening to our elders when they want to teach us the way things were back in the day....she has only confirmed what I believed LoL
That’s not how it works.
I can't remember dates on my own life only history I have memorized. So that really proves nothing.
Sharp lady, I believe every word she says.
RIP Jesse and Billy. Two of the greatest Americans
@@michaelvoorhees5978 I do
She has a great memory.
Thanks mr. Brett Hall I am of course a history buff and love the old Wild West stories most of all the factual ones. And I really enjoy Bob Bose Bells stories about the old Wild West and I began to really enjoy yours as well because you come up with some pretty good videos
Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret I will continue to watch and look for more interesting Wild West stories from you and any more factual accounts especially of Billy the Kid or any other high-profile Western icon
Thank you mama for the TELLING the truth
Very good video enjoyed this very much great history thank you very much for this history
Love her sense of humor 🤣
I was about to say that same thing. Great sense of humor. 🙂 I could listen to her tell stories forever.
I bet she was really something back in the day
You know a Texian has been around awhile when you hear "FORTworth". I'm a native of the Panhandle and never heard Cowtown pronounced like that until I met my husband who's parents were out of E TX.
Amazing woman
You know, I've researched Billy the Kid & Jesse James. I believe evey word, that this elderly woman, has spoken out of her mouth. She's sharp as a whip!
-Min. Obie Amos.
Recorded one year before my birth, so it is serving it's purpose of learning to children of the future as it is 2022, thank you for this amazing piece of history. Who would I contact to be able to pay this on my channel, not for monetary gain of any, just to be there for others to see...
How could this not be ? I dont think that thos elderly made so many things up. I am from germany and our war stories are real.
Strong woman. She knew what life was and faced it head on.
Fact, pat garrett was Billy's friend, and back then friendship was real. So I bet his death was staged. And Billy got out of the spotlight, in Texas.
Only one problem, all the people who knew BTK in Ft. Sumner, saw his body, had a wake, and buried him the next day. This lady has a vivid imagination.
@@BlackbirdSpecOps It is amazing to me how many people are so easily able to circumnavigate logic to believe what they've emotionally invested in. Aren't you the guy that wrote a book on this subject?
@@BlackbirdSpecOps naturally his friends would help fake his death in order to save him. There is no question Brushy Bill was Billy the kid.
@@jayrowell2468 hope it was ❣
@@BlackbirdSpecOps With all due respect, you seem completely unaware of the arguments against your side's position. Most of the people that supporters of the historical status quo claim viewed the body gave conflicting accounts, depending on who they were talking to. Jesus Silva and Frank Lobato told the "accepted version" when talking to outsiders, primarily "gringos" whereas they told Miguel Antonio Otero that they never saw the body of the man killed, but were simply "told it was the Kid". Paulita and Deluvina Maxwell reportedly told Walter Noble Burns the "accepted version" but researcher Jon Tuska found a letter Paulita wrote a friend where she stated that she and Deluvina weren't even in Ft. Sumner that night and didn't return until the following evening when the man shot by Garrett was already buried. Some researchers now believe that some, if not all, of the interviews presented in the Burns book to be complete fabrications. For instance, in the Burns account, Paulita claims she was in the bedroom when Garrett shot the man. Most supporters of the historical status quo conveniently omit this part when citing Paulita's statements. John Collins claimed that he and another man dug the grave and buried the body that night, and no one was allowed to view the body. John Poe has gone back and forth as to the identity of the man shot and killed that night. He told D.D. Sharpe that it wasn't the Kid killed that night. Thomas McKinney told his son, grandson, daughter, cousin, and nephew all that it wasn't the Kid that was killed and that he was killed before entering the house. Paco Anaya, who is often cited as one of the people to see the body, told his family that the man killed was not Billy the Kid, but another man named Billy, which is interesting because according to Brushy Bill Roberts, the man shot by Garrett was named Billy Barlow. Sources: The Real Billy the Kid by Miguel Antonio Otero, They Knew Billy the Kid by Robert F. Kadlec, Ride For Mexico Billy by Ben Kemp (Frontier Times March 1980), Cold Case: Billy the Kid by W.C. Jameson, The Dirty on Billy the Kid by Steve Sederwall, Billy the Kid: His life & Legend by Jon Tuska, Tall Tales and Half Truths of Billy the Kid by John LeMay, correspondence between William V. Morrison, Cliff McKinney, Felix McKinney, and Clark McKinney (1950-1956). You can hear the interview with Anaya's grandson at this link: th-cam.com/video/nd34jMnXMFU/w-d-xo.html
She's 71 in this video? Holy cow. I would've guessed late 80's at the youngest.
Love this interview 😊
One of Billy's friends that many do not know about that knew him before and after his purported death in 1881 was named James Asa Niblack. His grandson Carroll told my father about it.
So your father knew the grandson of one of Billy’s friends? Any other details or information you have to share about this? Thank you!
Billy was the ultimate escape artist and it sounds like he got away for good.
Sadly Willam died in 2007 he give really good interviews
So wait................. Does this mean that EVERYTHING we read in History books isn't 110% true? LOL
Amongst about everything else, yeah lol. My 12 yr old is still taught that Columbus discovered America lol.
@@lostamericanhistory2536 WOW. Sad state of affairs.
@@100texan2 lol!!!! And so many have forgotten, this all started when a scrawny punk kid shot up a black church and they dug deep enough to find 1 pic of him and a rebel flag. It all snowballed from there.
Right on. We need to reach history to the masses!!
@@lostamericanhistory2536 So what did you teach your son?
My families last name is Roberts.
And all us are from Texas.
And we have lived just about everywhere in Texas at some point.
Im in my late 40's now and I remember of hearing having a Grandpa named
William H. Roberts. when i was a kid.
He would of been born in the 20's probably between 1920-25
We never knew who his parents were.
Ive Always wondered 🤔🤣
Whats funny is
I surprisingly
actually look alot like Brushy already at half his age🤣
I visited Jesse James gravesite in Granbury. At the time I didn’t believe it was the actual Jesse James but since viewing this video I do believe it is him down in that grave.
Thank you!!! Can't wait for John 5:28,28!!
Sound quality, please. What an interesting interview. Brackenridge Hospital Austin, Tx means a lot to me too. God Bless this interview.
Sorry, it was copied from an old VHS tape that was recorded with an old style camcorder that wasn't equipped with a very good microphone.
@@brushybret Don't apologise, don't understand what they expect you do.
How can anyone not believe this woman? She even knows about Brushy Bill and when he had his teeth removed in 1932. So cool.
Except in 1995 when they dug up Jesse's body and dna proved he was in fact Jesse James, proving this woman as being wrong.
@@TheHaratashi That test has been discredited and many of the individuals involved have since come out against it. Apparently, the bones in the grave were too degraded and didn't contain any usable DNA. The DNA was actually taken from a tooth that was found on the James Family property by Clay County Park officials in the 1970s and stored in a Tupperware container. The only DNA found was mitochondrial DNA and only proved a partial match, meaning that it contained DNA from Zerelda's family line and no one really knows who that tooth belonged to... only that it was a James family member, which should be expected since it was on the family's property. But no DNA was extracted from the body in the grave whatsoever. I will be covering this in a future video. Thanks for watching.
So she's saying Jesse James was 104 years old when he died. My Grandmother is 98 years old.. l sit and listen to her stories of the old days all day long.
She is talking about J. Frank Dalton who many believe was the real Jesse James, who died in 1951 at the age of 103.
OK. I knew I missed something. Very interesting. Thanks you.
@@Cary543 I missed it too. Many of the viewers probably knew that J. Frank Dalton is allegedly the real Jesse James. If you don't know that, it gets confusing why she calls Dalton Uncle Jesse.
He was 3 weeks shy of his 104th birthday.
@@brushybret J for jesse Frank for his brother And dalton,his mothers maiden name.
I wonder what happened to all the photos she talked about. I'd love to be able to see them.
i believe!!! its so sad billy the kid got crossed twice
My family the Milam's lived adjacent to the James boys with their aunt Zerelda and stepfather Samuel's. They knew each other very well, helped each other out. The James, or Samuels owned 3 slaves the Milam's had 12. My family would lend them help when they needed it. In fact after Pinkerton firebombed the house, his aunt had a mangled arm, and their stepfather was hung but cut down but the damage was done. Who do you think helped them after that! Look up the Milam's!
Zerelda was Jesse & Frank's Mother, Not their Aunt & She was Married to Dr. Samuel.
The mistake may lie in the fact that Jesse's Wife Zerelda was named after her Aunt Zerelda who was also Jesse's Mother.
Jesse & Zerelda were First Cousins
Wow I am going to look up the Milams Thank you
Greetings from Liberty.Missouri. I believe Jesse refered to his wife as zee.
@@tHEdANKcRUSADER clanton gang ran with Jesse too my dad best buddy is a decedent of clanton family so wish I knew more when I was kid so I would asked more questions
@@tHEdANKcRUSADER one more thing my dad name is bill Anderson best friends with bitty clanton and clanton family
I belive her...there is to much details to be a lie
Makes me wish there was a tracking knob to tern like on the VCR's of the 80s, LOL
I wish it was better quality but it's an old recording. I'm just grateful I was able to save and convert it before it was totally lost to history.
@@brushybret thank you 7😊
...turn....
How amazing is that!