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RTX 2060 FE Tear-Down: They Added More Glue and Screws
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ม.ค. 2019
- The NVIDIA RTX 2060 Founders Edition is more difficult to open than even the previous RTX FE cards, now adding more glue to the process.
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The RTX 2060 is a significantly more competitive RTX offering than previous RTX cards, but still faces the same challenges in assembly for the Founders Edition model. There are still a lot of screws, there's still glue, but now it's more difficult to get the cooler off, thus making it more difficult to replace the thermal paste on the RTX 2060. Servicing the RTX 2060 Founders Edition model will be difficult.
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You need to use a Swiss Army Knife that (hopefully) has a phillipshead screwdriver in it to open the RTX 2060 properly.
Nvidia add more glue and screws....SO YOU CAN't OPEN IT AND UNCOVER THEIR LITTLE SECRET AND TELL TO THE WORLD.........
I kinda feel like the hair would get in the way.....
To me it only confirmes even more that Nvidias designers are just a bunch of idiots with no skill and no sense for good design.
You know its bad when its 28 mins....
they tried to make it steve proof. it did not work.
I'm surprised they didn't epoxy it....
lol
anything can be opened with a crowbar
@@keptinkaos6384 who need a crowbar when you have steve, though?
This is merely a setback, the RTX 2050 will be hermetically sealed! Muhahahahaha
They are learning from Apple.
If I mess up my tear-down and snap the PCB in half. Would you able to fix it for me? I'm sure it's nothing some flux couldn't fix.
Heh, i was about to type that!
Lets kill Apple and Nvidia
So if they're learning from Apple, we'll be seeing Nvidia-manufactured screws specifically for their cards, just to screw (pun intended) people up. The horrors.
@@Riskteven >In a few years they will go bankrupt.
lol
So thats where the cost increase comes from. Build it insanely stupid.
And do NOT use parts you already bought if possible so that you have to buy other new parts as an excuse for raising the price AGAIN.
@Vercusgames Sniffing.
@Vercusgames for those who bought it to sniff it every time they game on it. Heat+glue=heaven. "Get them hook to our cards! It just works!"
@Vercusgames 20 years? Those glue might be degraded after 5 years of sniffing experience provided for the buyer. And that teacher is evil to choose this card for disassembling... Or he/she hated that class
Why even use metal? Just get a PCB, and glue on some VRMs..a couple connectors..bam! It just works.
gpu cost: $50
Screws and glue cost: $300
You know someone at Nvidia is having a huge laugh over this right now.
Was this built by Walmart OP or what?
@@CaveyMoth LoL Walmart OP builds their computers within specification. They perform within specification too. I don't see the issue with Wal-Mart's OP Gaming PC's other than their price.
I dont think that the NV Dudes are laughing. Why do you think that they rushed that Ray... what? thing? AMD has Ryzen to Big or should i say to small in DIE size for NV : )
And they even will use Freesync in the Future haa haa but beside all that shit i was talking it is good for us the customers!
@@XsaviXander did you watch gamer nexus video on the one he got?
they shouldn't be laughing because after seeing this i would buy a different kind
AMD: starts "gluing" chiplets together
Intel: gets mad and publically criticizes them for doing that
Nvidia, after observing the action quietly: "hold my beer"
Its also funny because Intel "glued" chips together first 😎
yes but that was a decade before they bagged AMD for doing it, and then did it again with their new server chips
@@HillBillyAsian And... they are gluing cascade lake together for CL-AP
Intel: pikachu meme :o
My GPU has 4 spring screws to entirely remove the cooler and reapply thermal paste. Wtf is this?
I know, right? How the hell did things devolve into this abomination
I agree with you but if it’s a heavier card, it’s not really a good thing since it’ll probably sag if it’s only attached by 4 screws. My evga gtx 970 does come apart with only 4 screws though and I appreciate the simplicity!
nVidia is bust LAPRing as Apple, what else.
@@7Dunkan7 my old-school 4-slots 3rd party air cooler (yes 4 slots thick including fans) only held by 4 spring screws.
yep it definitely is heavy, I just build my setup to not sit in traditional position, to avoid sagging problem all together.
yep, Nvidia is going stupid nuts with their products here... MAXIMUM really we only need 8 screw - extra 2 at each end to ensure balance.
nvidia use this system in quadro card
ifixit score. 1/10
They should give it a solid -1/10 :)
How would you fix any broken component on any graphic card?
aggese . Thermal paste?
@@robertt9342 will only ever keep it from immediately fail for overheating. But is you check the temperature of your graphic card even on idle it is going to be significantly higher then ambient and likely close to 60-80 during high load and that temperature will make the component gradually degraded all the time it is used. It will take a while to fail but it will fail
You are way to generous IMO
nVidia is like Apple in this regard: screw down everything and then glue it extra shut.
and then it breaks
@CybpnK It is like that where they have very thin and "classy" design. This is a damn gpu.
This is the first generation, where they did that.
Literally every phone screen is glued together, including the battery on most smartphones....
@@DimiS1978 one thing is a fucking screen, where air can't get in between the parts because it screws them up, and other thing is a piece of metal attached to a block of silicon. One is 3mm thick, the other one about an inch.
Guess this was INTENTIONAL. Next thing you know Nvidia puts trackers that blares the alarm when someone opens one and they send the Nvidia Swat team to kick down the garage door.
*NVIDIA OPEN UP* XD
@@adibz959
NV: The contract states you are to review only the performance of said hardware, and mentions in a tiny tiny print on some lost portion of document that you do not open it.
You: But where is that page of document you lost?
NV: You signed the papers, didn't you?
smells like apples
Fascists!
like $hit
Armand B.
Yup.
Macintosh apples
*rotten apples
The difference is: Each nvidia you buy, brings the doctor nearby
nVidia GLUWorks®
It Just Sticks™
Retro Goran lol
Nvidia GlueForce
The Way It's Meant to be Glued®
Premium -60 series card, $150 worth in screws included!
And we've been wondering about the price increase all along.
Steve please consider Snowflake themed merch. I need it in my life.
RTX Snowflake
@@chincemagnet "Do you really wanna live your life without having snowflake raytaced?" XD
Snowflake uschanka pls
I need a CEO on my head
"Snowflake approves"
"It's time for GN news
- Snowflake"
I read that as "Snowflake themed meth" at first
Legend says the 2050 is just a piece of glue with I/O.
That would make it a sticky situation for the 2050 cards
yeah I think they will stick with it
I actually spit on my monitor. Thanks, I don't have any cleaner left. Off to the store.
Don't ask how, it just works. Plane simple to fix it - trow away buy new one.
Jensen likes watching you struggle!
Good laugh. Funny
WHOOP! [Zooms in on all the screws] Look at the details...
this is just nvidia saying screw you in their own way
AMD is probably watching this making a checklist of what not to do
Or Nvidia is watching this, making a checklist on how to make it worse next time.
Or both AMD and Nvidia are sitting together, eating popcorn, and laughing at how difficult the card is to take apart.
Yeah one is matching the performance.
Going to be fun watching people RMA these cards because a fan dies.... and it has Apple-level design. So much for user-repairable.
nothing new, you CAN NOT buy a replacement fan
also they are probably the least likely part to die
@@hyperusgudgeym1724 did you look for these fans? pretty sure you can. steve even told the model in the first teardown
@@hyperusgudgeym1724 you would be surprised of how common it is for a fan in a gpu to die. They are the only part of the gpu that is moving constantly and that has a great impact in durability.
@@1toW4mB0to9 Nope you cant get them
@@somedude2492 Not if they are not from Zotac :D Jokes beside, i am pretty sure NVIDIA didnt cheap out on the fans, i have one myself.
Nvidia Is rapidly becoming the Apple of video cards!!!
crookim difference is that we still need to buy their stuff if we want the most powerful hardware
Interestingly, Apple doesn’t even use Nvidia graphics anymore. They prefer AMD and Intel
@@maxthycom good luck getting that thermal paste in....
@@mr_beezlebub3985 The biggest reason for their switch to AMD was mostly because of a dispute over some faulty chips with nvidia which pissed apple off and they now refuse to work with Nvidia. Its even insanely hard to get nvidia drivers to work in MacOS
@Lassi Kinnunen you can say whatever you want about apples shitty business practices but they are definetely not minimizing cost on their laptops. Think about the huge battery or the very expensive aluminium unibody
Clearly nVidia doesn't want you to watercool this card
My first thought.
+1
@@frostybe3r A mid end card is now 350$ :(
Why do you need to watercool any card?
@@frostybe3r lol im sorry, my sarcasm wasnt obvious enough for you.
Lol, 4 to 3.5. Is Nvidia mocking itself about the Gtx 970 with those screw changes?
Man, that's Easter egg
@@fastcx I read your comment in Franklin's voice XD
@@zarmaanful 😉
No way I am buying the reference card after seeing this
Who opens their video cards anyway? Why do you care?
@@trippplefive In case I want to change the thermal paste in a few years, for cleaning, in case a fan breaks and I need to change it. There is no reason to why this need to be such a pain in the ass.
For thermal paste replacement or cleaning the heat sink. And water cooling with higher end cards.
trippplefive because when the fans die, I want to be able to replace them.
@@trippplefive ordinary people (Nooob 😂) like you don't understand that
They are just making it harder and harder to change the crappy thermal paste to better one
Please do show that their paste is bad. I think it will do maybe 2 C difference tops...
@@AstralS7orm Usually the thermal compound what comes from the factory is good enough, but there is better compounds on market
@@StaticVapour590 Yes, but not much better. Main gains from something like Kryonaut is that it's thinner... spreads better.
Differences in conductivity between 3 W/m*K (plain bad silicone oxide paste e.g. AG) and 12 W/m*K (Kryonaut) or even 18 W/m*K (best pads) are marginal.
Unless you go liquid metal that is. That is an order of magnitude better 80 W/m*K, comparable to silica, will shave a few degrees off.
2 Celsius is a lot dude.
That was the revenge for visiting and interviewing „Stats padding Labs“ ^^ Nvidia singing:“I want to see you sweat, sweat till you can’t sweat no mo or... and if you cry out...I‘m gonna GLUE it some mo oo oore...“ 😂
lol
So, will the 2160 teardown require an angle-grinder or chainsaw? ;)
2160?
Don't worry we'll get it with the 2060 4.20GB
Why not both?
Nope. A jackhammer and a plasma cutter.
@@d00dEEE explosives man
This is level 10 Puzzle.
AMD, where are you?
The Raddest Scorpion wednesday at 9 am the ces keynote.
las vegas time. +9 hours for me in holland
Dealing with RMA I bought 2 AMD cards and returned them both in tow months...
In an alley sniffing their own asses.
@@dedfoker i'm sorry but you're going to be disappointed! they're neither going to present navi, vega or ryzen 3000.
Nvidia: It just works, you shouldn't care about the rest.
Tom said " just buy it" .
😂😂😂🙏
Congrats on the 500k Steve, lots of hard work and really glad to see it all paying off :) Keep it up! Next step to 1 million!!!
this reminds me of those puzzle box review videos
im just watching his thought process and wondering if he can get the damn thing open
👍
It just works... so no need to take it apart. WHOOP!
@advsoft The sarcasm, you missed it.
Sounds like Apple, whoops blown caps(due to constant high temp)
Look at all the screws... [Whispers] Look at the details...
No wonder these RTX cards are so expensive, they had to hire a bomb defusal squad instead of a Chinese sweatshop for assembly.
Apple devices:
- Run hot AF
- Overpriced AF
- Hard AF to repair / maintain
- Lack of innovation
NVIDIA devices:
- Run hot AF
- Overpriced AF
- Hard AF to repair / maintain
- Raytracing
The similarities are outstanding
Windows 10
@@XsaviXander lol, try and have 2 taskbars on one monitor
@@linuxguy1199 why would you want that, genuinely curious.
I remember how the 200 series nvidia cards featured these wrap around full body back plates, and they really felt high quality vs what was previously done with bare PCBs
Why arn't you using the wireless grounding strap. Dont you want to be grounded to the cosmos?
you must use a Swiss army knife that hopefully has a knife....
Grounding straps are gimmiks. They are useless in real world applications. Electronics these days have an insane amount of ESD protection built into them, the possibility of shorting anything is next to none. :)
Also, I know this post is a joke.
sma.nasa.gov/news/articles/newsitem/2018/01/10/esd-wireless-wrist-straps-the-shocking-truth
thats why.
It just works, but it won't just come apart.
Good God, the construction is barf quality. I haven't seen such ridiculousness involving glue and cosmetic plastics since high school tech lab.
it was possible for this to be a direct sucessor of the 1060, but the sheer amount of glue and screws raised the price to the 1070.
There are so many screws, one could say: They screwed up! HA! ha! ha.. ha.... :/
it's like these companies are getting tips from Apple on construction.
Im traditionally an Intel and Nvidia guy, but they are making me want to come to the red team. Pretty sure Ill upgrade my 4th gen i7 build to an AMD 3700x build in the near future. Specially since I stream on twitch now, and plan on creating content here on youtube. I think Ill keep my gigabyte g1 1070 OC edition for another year or 2. Then Ill see if I get another Nvidia or AMD card by then. AMD is really convincing me to come over, and hang out for a while though.
If you watch prices and can wait for a sale, you can go Threadripper and 64 PCIe lanes for just a little more than the cost of a Ryzen rig.
For a future content creator AMD is the way to go.
@@SeedMayers I agree. AMD's latest chips are the best value, and superior multi threaded performance. I am a believer in AMD CPU s. Saving up for it.
i'm going AMD bc the drivers are open source
Linus Torvalds’s opinion on Nvidia is becoming a lot more relatable these days
Seems alright but I'm waiting for Navi
Always good to see every manufacturer of literally everything "innovating" their designs for easy/cheap for manufacturing while annihilating the ability to repair/maintain. This way consumers will spend outrageous money for their "experts" to fix it or just buy a new one for almost the same price.
the reason why you struggle to release the cooler is because you turned RTX off
Makes me really appreciate how easy to take apart the Vega cards are -- literally a few screws and that's it.
Arrr... the good'ol times that we still needed 'only' 2 slots in size of the videocard.
This process of that fan cable its giving me anxiety
Gamers Nexus: "Nvidia clearly took notes from Apple and over built their new 2080 graphics cards."
Nvidia: "Hold my beer!"
Extra screws. As components heat up and cool down expansion and contraction occur. More screws = less change that seals between eugene pads, solder joints and thermal connections can be broken. This increases the cards structural integrity and assures optimal thermal flow. It also reduces the acoustic vibration offset decreasing the sound which may emanate from various loosening/tightening areas of the board during hot/cool cycles.
This is the real reason cards are so expensive now, if they used a reasonable amount of screws and no glue they could probably cut the cost by 50-100$
This has to be one of the most anti-consumer things I have ever seen NVIDIA do.
Then you are not watching closley what is happening for the last 2 years....
🎆
cleaning touring stock cards from dust is pain.
If it's this complicated to take apart, I wonder how efficiently they can build these.
Glue and screws at a premium. To top it off, it looks like they added the man-hours cost to open it up to the retail price.
Maybe,
Nvidia trying Apple strategy
Make it Harder to Repair so peop- (sheep) buy a New unit rather than Repair it,
after Replacement warranty ended.
Interesting
THIS is the way RTX SHOULD have launched... RTX 2060
JayzTwoCents
3 hours ago
Tech of tomorrow called the 2070 a cheap value card and little guy for low end gamers
Lul the bias is unreal
JayzTwoCents is dumb. Along with Linus Advertisement Tips.
@@XsaviXander More like Linus clickbate tips :D Jay is good if you are looking for liquid cooling tutorials and videos, but his reviews are on the simple side. Not that this is bad or something. Some people are just interested how the card/CPU performs in benchmarks, not how it's actually built. Linus is trying to make his videos more entertaining and funny and sometimes it happens. His mainstream audience is 12 to 16 year old kids and the comment section there is worthless.
@@XsaviXander Linus shitted upon the 2060. Jayz2cents worshiped it
That amount of screw holes on a PCB etc is adding to manufacturing costs it makes no sense, I know people will say it is to stop people from modding or fixing a part on the card easily but why don't they just put on the usual tamper proof stickers .
The company has spared no expense to make the graphics card difficult to dismantle. Now it is not even worth repairing or recycling all the new but defective graphics cards. Conserving resources is so important these days, but that is probably the last thing thought of.
"pretty common to take a card apart to re-apply thermal paste", I'm pretty sure like probably 90% or more of gamers do NOT do this. Even if I grant you like 70%, which I doubt, like really do you think Nvidia are thinking about the 10-30% of gamers that take their cards apart every three years to re-apply thermal paste in order to gain back a smidgen of thermal performance? No, Nvidia is thinking "It's been three years, why havent you just bought a new card yet??"
I know you guys get super technical with your teardowns and you guys love it, and you have an audience that also loves it and maybe some of them do the same thing. But really, you're talking about a tiny portion of consumers. You have to think business-wide, Nvidia is NOT thinking about who's taking their cards apart. It just never crosses their collective minds.
I would do it, but Voiding my warranty is not a option for better temps. I hope we get the same law in Europe too, which allows us to open our devices without the " Void if removed " nonsense.
Next time Nvidia will booby-trap their GPU.
6:52 - "Why would you do this?" - Planned obsolescence, that is why. Those cards and their cooling solutions are pointlessly complex to make maintenance a chore.
I think it's safe to say there are less screws in my entire PC than in this 2060. And less glue. lol
If this were my video, I would have stopped after seeing all the unnecessary stumps and instructed my viewers to simply avoid this card at all costs. Unfortunately Nvidia could care less.
You see...there is a group of people that don't care about this, and groups of people that do. You are obviously in the latter.
The people in the former category will dodge this because its $350 and not even close to being worth that much :P
Hope people will not buy this shit because of this, so Nvidia will take notice.
thanks for raising them cards in the first 20 secconds. Because ad-banner was blocking my sight.
Maybe Nvidia wants one to throw away the rtx after too much dust collection .
Did Nvidia recruited the build designer from Apple ?
It just works!
Early af gotta see one of the 500000 skus of the 2060
They gave him so much time to make the review because they knew how stupidly hard it would be to take the card apart
The montage at the beginning of Steve's genuine disappointment is perfect
The powerconnector looked like something buildzoid would Build with a lot of „you stupid thing“ and „god damn it“ shouts
80's Sony Engineer: Are you complaining about a single fan cable!? Hold my bear and look what I can do with this flex cable.
500,000 subscribers...Congrats guys!
Imagine they just glued this card, just for Steve. Sitting there watching sipping tea.
This is a nightmare of a design. Cleaning a Graphics Card and replacing thermal paste a couple of years down the line would be a nightmare
You know Mr. Huang was watching this eagerly awaiting you running afoul of his carefully laid fingertraps. "THEY GLUED IT."
Huang: "HONEY COME WATCH, THEY FOUND THE GLUE"
Hello, I have a 2060 from zotac, luckily they didn't glue any wires but they super glued a single screw to a cap. I performed an incision around the screw. So far it looks like I did NOT damage the circuitry around the hole, but I'll let you know how it goes :).
I don't know if it's some kind of secret knowledge, but most hot glues, if you pour bit of IPA on them and let it sit for a moment, they become kind of brittle and let go of what they are holding.
Using one way to build cards (from 2080 -> 2060) means you need less installations, instructions, people, materials, etc. If you have set up the 2080 construction line, it is more cost effective to stream in the 2060, instead of opting for a completely different and separate solution. You must try and reuse as many machines, people and knowledge as possible. This also means you have less time overhead and you can reuse the same quality tests down the line. I think it makes perfectly sense to look at ROI for already in place machinery, when you have a running industry and don't want to start over from scratch.
When he pulls his hair back, you know shit is getting serious.
6:54 they ordered tons of 4mm screws from a company called GeeTiEX NINE70 and got 3.5mm instead with the first batch, so they decided to use them on the rtx 2060 so they wont go to waste
"annoying buggers (cable), just stick-em with glue!" LOL....
What i think is one need atleast 2 screws to secure a fan to anything. 4 at max obviously. And a plastic cover needs 7 screws. I guess this cooler design may be marketted as unbreakable.
For removing glue use Isopropyl Alcohol, Acetone or..if you're careful with it (it can weld PVC, Polyurethane and that) Butanone/Methyl Ethyl Ketone (MEK).
They all make good degreasers too if you chuck them in water & mop a floor with them.
Wow, that plastic sheet looks really good for heat spreading. Normally you apply a thermal pad at the source and then directly to the heatsink.
Sweet jebus! This is exactly like Pandora's box. Equally a puzzle as it is maddening!
The true despair in Steve's voice in asking "why, man?" is quite something
Dedication man. I would have burned it 25% of the way thru.
"Let's get a rough measurement." Gets out digital calipers.
By 25:05 I was starting to think this might not be easy to service yourself at home.
I owned a PC business, if you owned one, you would know why they glue and screw in so many things. There are several reasons but I will give you a few of them. There are people out there who will order a PC or a PC Component, then open it, remove what they want, contact you and say it was never there or is missing because it fell out somehow. If we glue it in and add extra screws, we know they are lying and we refuse a refund. If they challenge the charge, the bank or credit card company will contact us to let us know there is a challenge. When we show them how we packed it and sent it and how they went into it and took parts and then lied, we get to keep our money and the thief is left with what they took.
Another reason for the glue and screws is the abuse of products in shipping. There are many videos on TH-cam of people who received a product and memory or some other component came loose and beat the shit out of the inside of the products or PC. Another reason is that some people order products so they can pull them apart on TH-cam and then send them back asking for money and claim it was broken or malfunctioning. If they pried it apart and we can see they did, they get no money back and if need be, we go over it with the credit card company to make sure we keep our money. Then we black list them from ordering from us again.
Just these reasons alone cost companies millions and millions in losses.
We eventually switched from hardware to software.
You can imagine them trying to argue for their money and we send the credit card company to their TH-cam channel of them butchering things they ordered. Then we are on three way with the customer, their credit card company and they are lying through their teeth. Then the CC Rep tells them they are looking at their TH-cam page of them dismantling products. LOLz, like Judgment Day.
Yeah but who cares about repair services
Philips 0 Size said no one ever looking for a Philips Screwdriver. But then there is Tech Jesus.
The tear-down would have gone so much smoother if you had used a Swiss army knife instead of all of those ridiculous tools, for next time make sure to get one, make sure it has a philips screw driver in it.
It's a noob to disasembly anythings
The cooler build makes sense to me. If you want one to crazy over clock, fool around with, liquid cool than you go buy a re-seller one. If you want the pure, straight from nVidia, what it was designed to be then you get their's. But yeah that thermal paste re-application part makes it a scary buy.
that looks like cast zinc on the cooler. it makes since considering the melting point of copper yeah? The tubes look cast inplace
"Why? Why Nvidia?" It's called taking the piss and making things harder to repair. Apple are incredibly good at doing it.
Nivida: How can we f*ck with Steve at GN.....................hey bob, get the glue.
I don't think its that bad of a thing though, since its a lower end gpu, they don't expect people to do maintenance or water cooling on these while on something like a 2080 it is almost a given that the owner will open the card at some point to change the thermal paste or put a water block
Please Nvidia, don't take pages out of Apples product design playbook. Anything that compromises performance and serviceability for the sake of aesthetics is bad design. You're just giving people more reason to ignore your FE cards.