This is the last RTX 4090 video right now, but we have some partner model reviews and tear-downs coming up. We're also working on more Ryzen 7000 and AM5 content and very excited to try out some new test equipment! Watch the other video with Malcolm on thermal design (and cutting the 4090 cooler in half) over here: th-cam.com/video/g4lHgSMBf80/w-d-xo.html Watch our review of the RTX 4090 Founders Edition here: th-cam.com/video/j9vC9NBL8zo/w-d-xo.html And our deeper dive on the cooler and cable here: th-cam.com/video/CmUb9sDS9zw/w-d-xo.html
>This is the last RTX 4090 video right now Thank you. I mean this is great and all and you're doing a good job, but I'm all out of fucks to give about these video cards that cost more than the entire rest of my computer.
@@donoteatmikezila We always do a lot of videos about new parts right when they come out. It's just been two years since a major launch cycle, so you may not have seen it before. Not every video is for everyone and we try to rotate through topics quickly.
@@GamersNexus On the flip side, I for one have been loving the recent 4090 content! Big CPU/GPU launches only come ever so often, and so it's been really fun following your coverage of these recent ones (Zen 4 & RTX 4000).
@@samuelkdu It’s much better when their job is not in public relations. The guys getting paid to sell the cards to people always sound fake, and scripted. Actual engineers just talk like regular people who really love their job.
Those engineers work for public companies. Public companies don't like unplanned talks or talks like this because stuff might "slip" from talkers' mouths like future plans. Obviously, there is also money side of it...
GN has some serious street cred - it's rare to see a multi-billion corp like Nvidia send over a Principal PM and a design engineer to talk about their product in such detail. We should be thankful to the GN crew for the hard work they've put in over the years to deep dive into these products. Hope other channels take note and follow suit, over parroting spec sheets.
It's marketing. Having someone from their engineering team in the video allows them some control over the content. Same when they had the Intel guys over for their ARC cards.
@@pfefferle74 Exactly, they are not sending people to Steve just to give him a favour. But anyway, you can tell that they are very passioned about their job.
I've been following a few tech channels over the years, but I ended up with Games Nexus alone remaining (along with a few other retro-tech youtubers), great quality content, good work ethics, everything I wish to support
As a mechanical engineer I completely get his reaction. After you spend weeks/months/years developing a process and it comes out the way you've worked so hard to achieve, it's hard not to get proud and excited!
i don't do anything as crazy as this guy does, but designing something and seeing it go successfully into production like that is such a great feeling. it's like the fruit of your labors.
@@pheelix- Qualifying Sample, It doesn't necessarily mean Nvidia went cherry picking GPU's for hours on end, that would cost time & money that someone could spend doing other things. I am not saying you are wrong, but, I am saying that it is unlikely Nvidia need to be that pedantic over it, especially as if something that gets this hot and draws this much power is mounted unevenly then you'll have massive thermal deltas across the die.
This video made me smile because both Malcom and Qi were happy to discuss, demonstrate and elaborate on various aspects of the card whilst having fun doinig so. I love this stuff, thank you Steve and everybody at GN for providing amazing content!
Hey Steve, on your silver IFixit mini screwdriver, there's a hole by the top, to put the extension through it. That will give you all the torque you need by making into a T handle. The more you know... 😁
This just so much better communication than apple and the improvements on both communication and design is clearly intentional. I like that they're honest about them focusing on aesthetics and still manage to make it disassemble without any roadblocks like glue.
That is just life as an engineer. We often wonder how the heck we ended up with certain constraints, but our job is to make our part to specification - even if we think we know a better solution. Bring it up to the relevant team, and let them decide if your idea is worth pursuing. Afterwards, talking smack is reserved for the coffee tables.
It was super cool that NVIDIA is collabing with you in the technical discussion. Seems like they've got some great talent working for them. This video was a treat!
@@pistolfied The bosses sent them there for marketing purposes lol. No doubt a "repair" strategy to calm the waters of the storm that's been raging in the public domain.. And try stop the rot of their dwindling share prices. That 4080 U-Turn was amazing! Never seen Nvidia react to public opinion like that before.
Don't be so naive. At the same time, this is a PR event for Nvidia. They're not totally moronic themselves. The company knows the basics of what they're doing. They for sure went through all the stuff that can be brought up in public beforehand - there are still things called company secrets - and obviously would not send a total asshole to take part in a PR event in front of a media outlet and customers. This engineer had some sort of training in that regard too.
A great reminder that a company can be really shitty, but the people that work there can be awesome. Love the insight... it's like director commentary for a disassemble. Thanks for doing what you do, GN.
Sounds like a problem that could be solved by employee ownership. Instead of being accountable to out of touch execs and shareholders trying to cut corners to make more money the people who know and do the work should get a say in the decisions.
@@AhuizotlXiuh Unfortunately that is not how a publicly traded company works, nor is it how investment works. Employee ownership has next to no investment benefit to a company, so there is very little driver for that. While it is the pipe dream of every armchair socialist in existence, its simply just not how raising capital works. Employer/employee relationships just don't work like they did 70 years ago. People don't work at a place long enough in many cases for the company to want to take that route. That being said, I am not against employee ownership, but you have to understand why these companies operate how they do, and that employees are often not considered stakeholders.
@@goldenhate6649 So TL'DR capitalism is garbage and what you said is exactly why these companies get away with releasing bullshit year over year. Cool, thanks. Muh profits n margins.
Yeah it was great hearing him talk about transmission line stuff when talking about the VRAM. I haven't done one in over a decade but made me think of bounce diagrams and lots of stuff I don't use but is good to know.
This feels like an old 80's computer equipment "how it's made" video. Where they would detail manufacturing design, challenges, and eventual assembly of computer components. It's a lot of fun, and educational to watch.
His emotions when the PCB was pulled from the vapor chamber hahaha. He went through fear disbelief and then uncontained joy from seeing his product work as engineered. So cool Thanks GN
It's like a company, for the first time in history, sent an actual tech expert. This is a much better way of pulling in the enthusiast crowd. Good job GN and Nvidia. EDIT: Watching more of the video, this should be the way vendors handle hardware deep dives going forward, no exceptions.
@@GamesFromSpace I hope these representatives are handsomely compensated for how much they're doing for Nvidia's public image with these super detailed breakdowns
These two gentleman have great screen presence and Steve playing ball with them by asking the good questions makes this one heck of an informative and entertaining video! Three 👍 from me.
You can really tell just how passionate the thermal engineer is at 8:45. Gotta feel good to see something you've worked on perform well, and in front of an audience too!
This is extremely interesting. Personally I'll probably skip the 4000 series, but I really appreciate the engineering and design that goes into a top of the line card like this.
@@Nickxis It’s a big performance improvement, yes. It is impressive, yes. However, my 30-series GPU acquisition emptied my PC-building fun money wallet for this gen. Plus, the RTX 30-series is still no slouch, especially at 3440x1440. I am hoping I can hold off until the RTX 6090. Nvidia please don’t get rid of the naming scheme!!! I’m serious lol. By that time, I’m expecting to want to upgrade both my GPU and my monitor.
As an engineer, love the internal engineering take. His excitement on the TIM contact pitch is so relatable. Nothing like the feeling when your work is perfect lol. This is the card I want, the 4080 is so cut down and I feel like perf delta makes the 4090 worth it. Power draw is absurd though
By what we know so far the 4090 is looking like the best bang for your buck which traditionally is lower end cards because of the diminishing returns of higher end hardware. Just like how they are renaming the 3080 12gb to a lower card, the 4080 spec wise seems more like a 4070. Hopefully there will be super or Ti variations that will close that gap with having lower prices. Hopefully AMD really competes this gen to maybe fuel my previous hopes.
isn't this card like the new AMD CPUs anyway? where you can get like 95% of performance for 75% powerdraw, they are basically factory overclocked so just undervolthem a little bit.
The 4090 is decent, still ovepriced, and the 80s are so atrocious, even according to nvidias own charts, that the 4090 suddenly looks like its good value. Its insane, thats what it is
@@endless2239 yes. I think how hard they pushed the card out of its efficiency zone speaks to their concerns about AMD. I will likely end up doing that, mainly just because of the extra heat that is generated. Power is cheap here and 60% of the states power comes from Hydro, wind or solar so I don’t feel as bad using a bunch of electricity and I don’t game that much, most of myDesktop usage is on my MacBook that work issued me for programming. But I just don’t wanna deal with having a space heater in my office
@@kingplunger1 Given the performance versus the cost, it’s a better value than the 3090 Ti was but yes, not a good value. The 4080 is so nerfed that it’s a worse value. I was planning to buy a 3080 founders edition because I love the look of the card to replace my 1080 TI but I was not able to even get the chance to buy one at retail Until about two months ago. I decided to wait. I had a 4090 in my cart at Best Buy but decided to not buy it because I hadn’t seen the benchmarks for the 4080. My preference would be a smaller card the draws less power but It is so cut down from the 4090 that I would feel like I was getting screwed even more than I normally do. I’m interested to see what AMD does but there is no way they will get close on Ray tracing performance. Unless they are able to pull off a 4x increase over the 6000 series. If they have a good enough ray tracing performance and Excellent rasterization performance like last generation, I may consider it but I’ve had some bad experiences with AMD software and drivers in the past so that would be my big hesitation. Plus the FE cards are absolutely beautiful imo. I don’t even have a windowed side panel on my Sliger Cerberus X but might get one just to see the card lol
I really like this Malcolm kid. He’s funny, personable, and smart. I hope Nvidia keeps him for a long time and this becomes a recurring thing to see him making the rounds on TH-cam channels. This is one of the most entertaining tear-down videos GN has made in recent memory.
Love videos like this - not only for the nerdy content, but because it reminds us that there really are humans working at these huge companies trying to do a good job. +1 to Malcolm and GN
@@cameron5249 Of course it is. As an adult who understands why marketing exists and doesn't just auto-trigger at the word, I see it as a good thing that marketing looks like this instead of something more vapid and pointless.
Don't be so naive. At the same time, this is a PR event for Nvidia. They're not totally moronic themselves. The company knows the basics of what they're doing. They for sure went through all the stuff that can be brought up in public beforehand - there are still things called company secrets - and obviously would not send a total asshole to take part in a PR event in front of a media outlet and customers. This engineer had some sort of training in that regard too.
I’m really loving these in-depth discussions around design and technology decisions. Very pleasantly surprised that Nvidia is being so open on this, it makes for great content and shows how awesomely designed the 4090 is.
6:07 I see what you did there Good to know that it would not need a lot of disassembly for cleaning out the fans. The extra copper layers are no joke too, both in price and the benefits. Now we would be expecting something on the partner versions on how they coped with it
From someone who has spent time in EDM software designing caveman boards by comparison for business and personal projects, the PCB layout and component density is absolutely incredible on this board. A teardown video with guys who designed the product. Amazing.
Commenting again after doing so on last waterjet video. This type of content is awesome, the fact that you can get these people on your channel is incredible. It’s also great to see how much the engineers actually love what they do. 10/10.
It's really great seeing this from the engineer's perspective too - some of the "why" not just "how" behind those decisions. It was a pleasure watching you host Qi and Malcolm - I hope we get to see more of this "partnership" level experience in the future from them and other vendors!
Always appreciate hearing from the engineers. They're always passionate talking about their work because they've put their heart and soul into these designs. Say what you want about corporate and marketing, but the engineering team always wants to deliver the best quality products that they can because they care about the work they did, not just about making money for the company.
@@Splarkszter I mean bit disingenuous to call them slaves but yeh what they did to their AIBs is not good and they should compensate them at least in part for the change to the 4080 12gb.
Hey Gamer Nexus! Okay, so my husband absolutely loves your channel and understands a great deal about technology. However I, on the other hand, cannot say the same for myself at all. I can tell you about music, art and literature... yet not one useful thing about computers because I'm an idiot. Anyway, I mean this with absolutely no offense and ALL love: I appreciate nothing more than falling asleep to you explaining all these complicated devices while he watches your videos with complete and utter focus and understanding. Thank you kindly for curing my insomnia. The sound/cadence of your voice is like a soothing bedtime story for me.
Don't call yourself an idiot for not understanding something. It just means you lack knowledge on a particular subject. Acknowledging lack of knowledge isn't what an idiot does.
Awesome video! I have my issues with Nvidia as a company, but the people that work there are pretty damn good! Geeking out about TIM and referencing Lockpicking Lawyer? Wow Nvidia, keep this up and I might became a fanboy.
Loved the video and the added bonus of having the engineers there to talk about the construction, great stuff. It's when seeing this and listening to them that you start to get an idea of the resources and work and consequently money that goes into creating and designing a finished card, mindblowing.
They went from gluing everything down to labelling parts. I love the design, I'm trying to do something very similar with my 3080, but I think I might just wait more years to get a 5080 when it comes out.
Just to add to the masses; these videos are top of the line. I hope nVidia, Intel, AMD and whoever else joins in the future keep doing these cause nobody cares about marketing shit. This is much better than everything else. Even me, with a 3090 happy and no plans on upgrading, got a bit tingly thinking the new 4090 was looking amazing in terms of thermal and electrical design. I'm just gonna hold on until the 5090 cause if these tw cards are to go by, it'll get even cooler still. Very nicely done by nVidia here. Keep up the good work!
THIS needs to be an annual or two yearly thing that happens with every generation! NVIDIA;s engineers needs some praise in what they do in the backend. And what better way then showing off how passionate they are then showing generational improvements of thermal, power and disassembly's of there cards. It's also a welcome distraction from the marketing and pure benchmarks for a change!
Malcom definitely watches the LockPickingLawyer. I love listening to the engineers talk so passionately about what they've built. And from the looks of things, they're damned good at their jobs.
17:46 LOL when he said "click out of 1, false set on 2.." Reminds me of the Lock Picking Lawyer! Varying key pin positions at/near the sheer line of the lock.
I loved every second of this! It's awesome that you were able to host some of the engineers who actually worked on the card, and can comment on it in real time. And Steve asks good questions. There was a lot of interesting information. Based on Malcolm's comments, it sounds like he's a GN viewer. :-D It's really cool to see how happy and excited he and Qi are to talk about their work. I hope we see these guys again someday, and I hope GN gets more engineers to appear on the channel!
An old boss of mine said that "every organization moves at the speed of trust." I know lots of people still take issue with many of these companies but the more we talk and at least hear out their side of the story (so long as it's an honest take, still worth verifying like GN does) then the easier it will be to understand when there are issues, find a resolution (believe me, they don't make money by leaving things unresolved), and have a better ecosystem overall (between the companies AND the consumers). Great work Steve and crew!!! These colabs with the engineers have been by far my favorite computer hardware pieces in quite a while! Keep it up! (oh, and if NVidia or someone else is lying or hiding something or trying to distract from something else, don't worry, it always comes out in the end! ;) )
Thanks to your channel (and few others)I can understand 90% of your videos without subtitles 😅 Big hugs from Italy, your videos are full of passion 4 tech💪💪💪
Honestly this is amazing, you can say w/e you want about nvidia and its practices but clearly there are people in the loop that care enough to really make great improvements.
Awesome video. Any time a company engineer with a bit of social skills is involved, it's gonna be a good time. Thanks for bringing this unique content!
Exactly why I watch Gamers Nexus. Steve, even with his huge knowledge and experience you can see him really absorbing the knowledge from the engineers and instead of just thinking what he will say next, is really listening. Great content as always Steve... even though I have hardly any idea what they are talking about its great to see their enthusiasm explaining their work.
As an EE myself, it’s nice hearing from engineers on a technical level and not just all marketing. Even though many of us engineers aren’t the best at communicating our knowledge lol
You were already my fave Tech YTer because you Mountain Bike! But your Tech content and quality, man! I am a Mechanical Engineering Technologist in another field, so you ask all of the questions I want to know myself. I always want to know the more technical details and you ask! And ones I didn't even think of, you ask! Question, (no wrong answer, both make sense): Do you ask the questions to help you do your job? Or you just have that same curiosity us techs naturally have? Or other? "Question". Love that! That was me when I was your age. I love it because I know something good is coming. He cracked me up when he said, "we could add some", just to trigger you. Hahaha!
Videos like this make me so freaking giddy. I LOVE deep dive stuff like this so much, and it's so awesome to see how much these two engineers love what they do, and just their sheer wealth of knowledge.
made me wish i could have an nvidia rep present every time i have to disassemble a card, just to guide me through it, and to handle the tighter screws lol. great video!
I love this trend. Sending more technical people by companies to make so detailed videos. I think we should thank Intel for sending Tom Peterson on tour with Arc. Best kind of videos! Keep it up 👍 Fun reference to LPL there 😂
Well 28:36 the part with the new 12V connector aged really well. 🤣 What a stupid connector that PCI-SIG the guys who made it know about its problems and still shipped it. Buy a 4090 right now, it includes free of charge a burnt house. It will even melt your bones. Guaranteed.
Loved the energy that Malcolm brought, combined with the knowledge. Hoping Nvidia and the other tech companies continue to let the engineers speak to the press.
love all these guests who know so much about the subject , the joy of the themal engineer seeing the reveal of the TIM on the teardown was great ! great video as always, thanks Steve
This is the last RTX 4090 video right now, but we have some partner model reviews and tear-downs coming up. We're also working on more Ryzen 7000 and AM5 content and very excited to try out some new test equipment!
Watch the other video with Malcolm on thermal design (and cutting the 4090 cooler in half) over here: th-cam.com/video/g4lHgSMBf80/w-d-xo.html
Watch our review of the RTX 4090 Founders Edition here: th-cam.com/video/j9vC9NBL8zo/w-d-xo.html
And our deeper dive on the cooler and cable here: th-cam.com/video/CmUb9sDS9zw/w-d-xo.html
>This is the last RTX 4090 video right now
Thank you. I mean this is great and all and you're doing a good job, but I'm all out of fucks to give about these video cards that cost more than the entire rest of my computer.
Thanks Steve!
@@donoteatmikezila We always do a lot of videos about new parts right when they come out. It's just been two years since a major launch cycle, so you may not have seen it before. Not every video is for everyone and we try to rotate through topics quickly.
I am so excited for partner cards reviews, please spend a good amount of time on water-cooling variants.
@@GamersNexus On the flip side, I for one have been loving the recent 4090 content! Big CPU/GPU launches only come ever so often, and so it's been really fun following your coverage of these recent ones (Zen 4 & RTX 4000).
Engineers should be allowed to talk more with the public...
I don't understand most of what they say but I could listen for hours.
It really does seem like Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA are all experimenting with this idea. Hopefully they stick with it!
@@GamersNexus Wdym? Also sus ooc. 😳
as long as its not Raja Koduri
@@samuelkdu It’s much better when their job is not in public relations. The guys getting paid to sell the cards to people always sound fake, and scripted. Actual engineers just talk like regular people who really love their job.
Those engineers work for public companies. Public companies don't like unplanned talks or talks like this because stuff might "slip" from talkers' mouths like future plans. Obviously, there is also money side of it...
GN has some serious street cred - it's rare to see a multi-billion corp like Nvidia send over a Principal PM and a design engineer to talk about their product in such detail. We should be thankful to the GN crew for the hard work they've put in over the years to deep dive into these products. Hope other channels take note and follow suit, over parroting spec sheets.
@@pistolfied lol nvidia also needs to go the extra mile after the situation involingthier prices and the rtx 30 series lineup in general
It's marketing. Having someone from their engineering team in the video allows them some control over the content.
Same when they had the Intel guys over for their ARC cards.
@@pfefferle74 Exactly, they are not sending people to Steve just to give him a favour. But anyway, you can tell that they are very passioned about their job.
I've been following a few tech channels over the years, but I ended up with Games Nexus alone remaining (along with a few other retro-tech youtubers), great quality content, good work ethics, everything I wish to support
Yeah, and it's not common to see the product ripped apart in front of them :DD
The LPL (Lock Picking Lawyer) reference from the Nvidia engineer was great. 17:44
Outstanding
a little click out of one
"I'm the Lock Picking Lawyer and what I have for you today is the RTX 4090 Founders Edition."
@@TheGerudan we don't need to give LPL video ideas. 🤣
Bloody amazing! Caught that immediately!
Lol I love how excited and proud he was of the contact when the gpu was pulled out
As a mechanical engineer I completely get his reaction. After you spend weeks/months/years developing a process and it comes out the way you've worked so hard to achieve, it's hard not to get proud and excited!
This guy is great
i don't do anything as crazy as this guy does, but designing something and seeing it go successfully into production like that is such a great feeling. it's like the fruit of your labors.
How happy he was about the contact accuracy was super wholesome haha You can tell he loves his job. Good stuff 👌
Super genuine reaction too since engineers probably don't get to do any QC off the line!
@ 8:39 if anyone else is wondering
Pay no attention to the QUAL SAMPLE stamped on the GPU, there is nothing to see here.
Nivida: Triple check those contacts before heading over to GN.
@@pheelix- Qualifying Sample, It doesn't necessarily mean Nvidia went cherry picking GPU's for hours on end, that would cost time & money that someone could spend doing other things.
I am not saying you are wrong, but, I am saying that it is unlikely Nvidia need to be that pedantic over it, especially as if something that gets this hot and draws this much power is mounted unevenly then you'll have massive thermal deltas across the die.
You really don't understand that it was a marketing trick to form your opinion?
This video made me smile because both Malcom and Qi were happy to discuss, demonstrate and elaborate on various aspects of the card whilst having fun doinig so. I love this stuff, thank you Steve and everybody at GN for providing amazing content!
Hey Steve, on your silver IFixit mini screwdriver, there's a hole by the top, to put the extension through it. That will give you all the torque you need by making into a T handle. The more you know... 😁
Ha! Cool. Never noticed. Thank you!
@@GamersNexusThose old screw driver kits are the best. If I lost mine, I think I would just close up my store 🤣
@@SomeoneDK so not available anymore :( ?
@@the_retag Unfortunately no. I got mine about 8 years ago.
@@SomeoneDK Yeah, not anymore. Got mine a few years ago and it doesn't have that option. Oh well.
6:07 He was instructed to do this personally by Nvidia CEO as a message from them to Steve
😂😂
Glad I'm not the only one who saw that lol
I love how he was so diplomatic in basically saying "That decision is not my department lol" when questionable design decisions were brought up.
"wasn't me, chief"
This just so much better communication than apple and the improvements on both communication and design is clearly intentional. I like that they're honest about them focusing on aesthetics and still manage to make it disassemble without any roadblocks like glue.
That is just life as an engineer. We often wonder how the heck we ended up with certain constraints, but our job is to make our part to specification - even if we think we know a better solution. Bring it up to the relevant team, and let them decide if your idea is worth pursuing. Afterwards, talking smack is reserved for the coffee tables.
It was super cool that NVIDIA is collabing with you in the technical discussion. Seems like they've got some great talent working for them. This video was a treat!
@@pistolfied The bosses sent them there for marketing purposes lol. No doubt a "repair" strategy to calm the waters of the storm that's been raging in the public domain.. And try stop the rot of their dwindling share prices. That 4080 U-Turn was amazing! Never seen Nvidia react to public opinion like that before.
I have to give Nvidia credit, this is so much better than before, and they're not smug like apple coming with BS excuses and saying it's our fault.
@@adamblomberg Still hung up on the iPhone 4 antenna, huh 😂
Don't be so naive. At the same time, this is a PR event for Nvidia. They're not totally moronic themselves. The company knows the basics of what they're doing. They for sure went through all the stuff that can be brought up in public beforehand - there are still things called company secrets - and obviously would not send a total asshole to take part in a PR event in front of a media outlet and customers. This engineer had some sort of training in that regard too.
@@93836 the butterfly keyboard too
A great reminder that a company can be really shitty, but the people that work there can be awesome. Love the insight... it's like director commentary for a disassemble. Thanks for doing what you do, GN.
Sounds like a problem that could be solved by employee ownership. Instead of being accountable to out of touch execs and shareholders trying to cut corners to make more money the people who know and do the work should get a say in the decisions.
@@AhuizotlXiuh Unfortunately that is not how a publicly traded company works, nor is it how investment works. Employee ownership has next to no investment benefit to a company, so there is very little driver for that. While it is the pipe dream of every armchair socialist in existence, its simply just not how raising capital works. Employer/employee relationships just don't work like they did 70 years ago. People don't work at a place long enough in many cases for the company to want to take that route.
That being said, I am not against employee ownership, but you have to understand why these companies operate how they do, and that employees are often not considered stakeholders.
@@AhuizotlXiuh sounds like communism to me
@@maegnificant and
@@goldenhate6649 So TL'DR capitalism is garbage and what you said is exactly why these companies get away with releasing bullshit year over year. Cool, thanks. Muh profits n margins.
that Lock picking Lawyer reference at 17:45 😅
I have been an Engineer for 40 years in and about the computer industry and enjoyed this whole video.
Yeah it was great hearing him talk about transmission line stuff when talking about the VRAM. I haven't done one in over a decade but made me think of bounce diagrams and lots of stuff I don't use but is good to know.
This feels like an old 80's computer equipment "how it's made" video. Where they would detail manufacturing design, challenges, and eventual assembly of computer components. It's a lot of fun, and educational to watch.
much better content than 98% of all of streaming media.
Yes!the good old magazines, and cd-rom attachments with video essays for you to download at home.
My favourite part of GPU releases... Steve ripping them apart
And he doesn't just rip them apart physically.
His emotions when the PCB was pulled from the vapor chamber hahaha. He went through fear disbelief and then uncontained joy from seeing his product work as engineered. So cool
Thanks GN
It's like a company, for the first time in history, sent an actual tech expert. This is a much better way of pulling in the enthusiast crowd. Good job GN and Nvidia.
EDIT: Watching more of the video, this should be the way vendors handle hardware deep dives going forward, no exceptions.
As somebody a company like that might send, no thank you.
@@GamesFromSpace hahhaa, agreed!
This is probably in response to Intel doing this a couple months ago.
@@GamesFromSpace I hope these representatives are handsomely compensated for how much they're doing for Nvidia's public image with these super detailed breakdowns
@@arsenal4444 Likely not. They would be salaried, and this would just be "other duties".
These two gentleman have great screen presence and Steve playing ball with them by asking the good questions makes this one heck of an informative and entertaining video! Three 👍 from me.
You can really tell just how passionate the thermal engineer is at 8:45. Gotta feel good to see something you've worked on perform well, and in front of an audience too!
Love the casual middle finger pointer
Malcolm is really funny and entertaining. You guys should definitely do more videos together, even if not Nvidia related.
Yeah please let‘s have an Nvidia engineer talk about RDNA3
@@hustleacc8075 As funny as it would be, I'm pretty sure an engineer would sing praises to a competitor's solution to a problem he may have faced.
This is extremely interesting. Personally I'll probably skip the 4000 series, but I really appreciate the engineering and design that goes into a top of the line card like this.
you would skip the biggest leap in between generations? why?
I'm guessing you already have GPU powerful enough for your needs right now?
@@Nickxis It’s a big performance improvement, yes. It is impressive, yes. However, my 30-series GPU acquisition emptied my PC-building fun money wallet for this gen. Plus, the RTX 30-series is still no slouch, especially at 3440x1440.
I am hoping I can hold off until the RTX 6090. Nvidia please don’t get rid of the naming scheme!!! I’m serious lol. By that time, I’m expecting to want to upgrade both my GPU and my monitor.
@@Nickxis List 5 games that need a 4000 series to be playable.
@@metroided34 Maybe all 5 at once?
@@b.t4604 Even with a 4090 i doubt it can run that shitheap at 8k lmao.
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As an engineer, love the internal engineering take.
His excitement on the TIM contact pitch is so relatable. Nothing like the feeling when your work is perfect lol.
This is the card I want, the 4080 is so cut down and I feel like perf delta makes the 4090 worth it. Power draw is absurd though
By what we know so far the 4090 is looking like the best bang for your buck which traditionally is lower end cards because of the diminishing returns of higher end hardware. Just like how they are renaming the 3080 12gb to a lower card, the 4080 spec wise seems more like a 4070. Hopefully there will be super or Ti variations that will close that gap with having lower prices. Hopefully AMD really competes this gen to maybe fuel my previous hopes.
isn't this card like the new AMD CPUs anyway? where you can get like 95% of performance for 75% powerdraw, they are basically factory overclocked so just undervolthem a little bit.
The 4090 is decent, still ovepriced, and the 80s are so atrocious, even according to nvidias own charts, that the 4090 suddenly looks like its good value. Its insane, thats what it is
@@endless2239 yes. I think how hard they pushed the card out of its efficiency zone speaks to their concerns about AMD. I will likely end up doing that, mainly just because of the extra heat that is generated. Power is cheap here and 60% of the states power comes from Hydro, wind or solar so I don’t feel as bad using a bunch of electricity and I don’t game that much, most of myDesktop usage is on my MacBook that work issued me for programming. But I just don’t wanna deal with having a space heater in my office
@@kingplunger1 Given the performance versus the cost, it’s a better value than the 3090 Ti was but yes, not a good value. The 4080 is so nerfed that it’s a worse value. I was planning to buy a 3080 founders edition because I love the look of the card to replace my 1080 TI but I was not able to even get the chance to buy one at retail Until about two months ago. I decided to wait. I had a 4090 in my cart at Best Buy but decided to not buy it because I hadn’t seen the benchmarks for the 4080. My preference would be a smaller card the draws less power but It is so cut down from the 4090 that I would feel like I was getting screwed even more than I normally do. I’m interested to see what AMD does but there is no way they will get close on Ray tracing performance. Unless they are able to pull off a 4x increase over the 6000 series. If they have a good enough ray tracing performance and Excellent rasterization performance like last generation, I may consider it but I’ve had some bad experiences with AMD software and drivers in the past so that would be my big hesitation. Plus the FE cards are absolutely beautiful imo. I don’t even have a windowed side panel on my Sliger Cerberus X but might get one just to see the card lol
I could listen to engineers talk about their problem-solving for hours- this is the exact nerdy shit I subscribe to GN for
I really like this Malcolm kid. He’s funny, personable, and smart. I hope Nvidia keeps him for a long time and this becomes a recurring thing to see him making the rounds on TH-cam channels.
This is one of the most entertaining tear-down videos GN has made in recent memory.
That smile on Qi’s face when Steve talked about overclocking lol. Like an evil genius ready to show off his shrink ray. 😂
Nice no GDDR on the back of the card.
Edit: Hopefully Malcom and Qi are back in some future videos. Their insight and knowledge is awesome.
Malcom's enthusiasm really was a treat! Couldn't help but smile.
Love videos like this - not only for the nerdy content, but because it reminds us that there really are humans working at these huge companies trying to do a good job. +1 to Malcolm and GN
Evil humans, I mean it's still Nvidia XD
@@zwenkwiel816 the evil persons are PR, marketing, shareholders and management.
It's marketing
@@cameron5249 Of course it is. As an adult who understands why marketing exists and doesn't just auto-trigger at the word, I see it as a good thing that marketing looks like this instead of something more vapid and pointless.
Don't be so naive. At the same time, this is a PR event for Nvidia. They're not totally moronic themselves. The company knows the basics of what they're doing. They for sure went through all the stuff that can be brought up in public beforehand - there are still things called company secrets - and obviously would not send a total asshole to take part in a PR event in front of a media outlet and customers. This engineer had some sort of training in that regard too.
I’m really loving these in-depth discussions around design and technology decisions. Very pleasantly surprised that Nvidia is being so open on this, it makes for great content and shows how awesomely designed the 4090 is.
6:07 I see what you did there
Good to know that it would not need a lot of disassembly for cleaning out the fans. The extra copper layers are no joke too, both in price and the benefits. Now we would be expecting something on the partner versions on how they coped with it
This blurred middle finger @6:07 - so much attention to detail and unique humor on this channel made me shed a little mental tear :D
Overkill cooling is a good thing. Very impressed with the 4090 temperatures.
Bro but the quality of the thermaltake ad though. So good, so amazed to see the growth of GN
From someone who has spent time in EDM software designing caveman boards by comparison for business and personal projects, the PCB layout and component density is absolutely incredible on this board.
A teardown video with guys who designed the product. Amazing.
Commenting again after doing so on last waterjet video. This type of content is awesome, the fact that you can get these people on your channel is incredible. It’s also great to see how much the engineers actually love what they do. 10/10.
It's really great seeing this from the engineer's perspective too - some of the "why" not just "how" behind those decisions. It was a pleasure watching you host Qi and Malcolm - I hope we get to see more of this "partnership" level experience in the future from them and other vendors!
Next video: "15 fun things you can do with glue! Its not just for video cards! Who knew!"
#1 - glue your CPU cooler to your motherboard!
@@GamersNexus What a great idea! Yolo bro! Am i rite?
@@GamersNexus Already done!
Seperate issue...how do you remove CPU coolers from a motherboard after using Gorilla Grip? Asking for a friend.
@@GamersNexus #2 Glue a 7 over an 8.
@@GamersNexus can we get a video on this?
Always appreciate hearing from the engineers. They're always passionate talking about their work because they've put their heart and soul into these designs. Say what you want about corporate and marketing, but the engineering team always wants to deliver the best quality products that they can because they care about the work they did, not just about making money for the company.
Now this is an interesting turn of events. Nvidia turning up for a tear down with engineering personnel.
guess they're proud of this one
I mean they dont want intel stealing the show
AMD coming in hot lol
meanwhile their board partners(slaves) are suffering in the backyard
@@Splarkszter I mean bit disingenuous to call them slaves but yeh what they did to their AIBs is not good and they should compensate them at least in part for the change to the 4080 12gb.
Hey Gamer Nexus! Okay, so my husband absolutely loves your channel and understands a great deal about technology. However I, on the other hand, cannot say the same for myself at all. I can tell you about music, art and literature... yet not one useful thing about computers because I'm an idiot. Anyway, I mean this with absolutely no offense and ALL love: I appreciate nothing more than falling asleep to you explaining all these complicated devices while he watches your videos with complete and utter focus and understanding. Thank you kindly for curing my insomnia. The sound/cadence of your voice is like a soothing bedtime story for me.
lovely anecdote
Steve putting women to sleep world wide^^ next level up
Steve's ASMR channel
Don't call yourself an idiot for not understanding something. It just means you lack knowledge on a particular subject. Acknowledging lack of knowledge isn't what an idiot does.
Even if you understand it his candence and tone still manages to put me to sleep if I'm tired. And I mean this in the nicest way possible
Awesome video! I have my issues with Nvidia as a company, but the people that work there are pretty damn good! Geeking out about TIM and referencing Lockpicking Lawyer? Wow Nvidia, keep this up and I might became a fanboy.
Had to find it, someone mentioned it XD.
Loved the video and the added bonus of having the engineers there to talk about the construction, great stuff.
It's when seeing this and listening to them that you start to get an idea of the resources and work and consequently money that goes into creating and designing a finished card, mindblowing.
They went from gluing everything down to labelling parts. I love the design, I'm trying to do something very similar with my 3080, but I think I might just wait more years to get a 5080 when it comes out.
I have no idea what Malcom was saying but it sounded like a beautiful orchestra to me
It is always great to hear the engineers share their design thoughts.
Seeing how proud Malcolm was of the cards design was awesome. Its good to know someone that's so passionate about his job working on our cards
Just to add to the masses; these videos are top of the line. I hope nVidia, Intel, AMD and whoever else joins in the future keep doing these cause nobody cares about marketing shit. This is much better than everything else. Even me, with a 3090 happy and no plans on upgrading, got a bit tingly thinking the new 4090 was looking amazing in terms of thermal and electrical design. I'm just gonna hold on until the 5090 cause if these tw cards are to go by, it'll get even cooler still. Very nicely done by nVidia here. Keep up the good work!
Love how you blurred the unintended finger 😅
THIS needs to be an annual or two yearly thing that happens with every generation! NVIDIA;s engineers needs some praise in what they do in the backend. And what better way then showing off how passionate they are then showing generational improvements of thermal, power and disassembly's of there cards. It's also a welcome distraction from the marketing and pure benchmarks for a change!
Malcom definitely watches the LockPickingLawyer. I love listening to the engineers talk so passionately about what they've built. And from the looks of things, they're damned good at their jobs.
I love that this video literally has people from Nvidia to help Steve disassemble the GPU and answer questions!
17:46 LOL when he said "click out of 1, false set on 2.." Reminds me of the Lock Picking Lawyer! Varying key pin positions at/near the sheer line of the lock.
I loved every second of this! It's awesome that you were able to host some of the engineers who actually worked on the card, and can comment on it in real time. And Steve asks good questions. There was a lot of interesting information.
Based on Malcolm's comments, it sounds like he's a GN viewer. :-D It's really cool to see how happy and excited he and Qi are to talk about their work. I hope we see these guys again someday, and I hope GN gets more engineers to appear on the channel!
His reaction to the TIM contact is exactly how I feel when a design comes together. Loved that so muchhhhh haha.
I really like how excited they are. It's like playing with a new toy.
An old boss of mine said that "every organization moves at the speed of trust." I know lots of people still take issue with many of these companies but the more we talk and at least hear out their side of the story (so long as it's an honest take, still worth verifying like GN does) then the easier it will be to understand when there are issues, find a resolution (believe me, they don't make money by leaving things unresolved), and have a better ecosystem overall (between the companies AND the consumers). Great work Steve and crew!!! These colabs with the engineers have been by far my favorite computer hardware pieces in quite a while! Keep it up! (oh, and if NVidia or someone else is lying or hiding something or trying to distract from something else, don't worry, it always comes out in the end! ;) )
17:45 that lockpicking lawyer reference 🤣
Thanks to your channel (and few others)I can understand 90% of your videos without subtitles 😅
Big hugs from Italy, your videos are full of passion 4 tech💪💪💪
Honestly this is amazing, you can say w/e you want about nvidia and its practices but clearly there are people in the loop that care enough to really make great improvements.
I love that this dude gets the engineers who built it and pulls the thing apart. His channel is legit!
Awesome video. Any time a company engineer with a bit of social skills is involved, it's gonna be a good time. Thanks for bringing this unique content!
Malcolm looked so happy, almost surprised, that the TIM was so evenly spread out. Loved that part.
Exactly why I watch Gamers Nexus. Steve, even with his huge knowledge and experience you can see him really absorbing the knowledge from the engineers and instead of just thinking what he will say next, is really listening. Great content as always Steve... even though I have hardly any idea what they are talking about its great to see their enthusiasm explaining their work.
Some of that finger censoring gave me quite the chuckle. Really a great video and collab with the Nvidia's engineering teams.
Not even my dear great aunt could give a subtle bird flip as smooth as this thermal engineer. Bravo 👏
As an EE myself, it’s nice hearing from engineers on a technical level and not just all marketing. Even though many of us engineers aren’t the best at communicating our knowledge lol
I do think the FE cards is among the nicest looking cards on the market.
It is.
Yeah looks too basic and wouldnt fit in my case in terms of color.
The LPL-style "little click out of one" around 18 minutes was great!
It was a pure joy to watch this video. Malcolm is a cool guy, I want to see him more on GN :D
You were already my fave Tech YTer because you Mountain Bike! But your Tech content and quality, man! I am a Mechanical Engineering Technologist in another field, so you ask all of the questions I want to know myself. I always want to know the more technical details and you ask! And ones I didn't even think of, you ask!
Question, (no wrong answer, both make sense): Do you ask the questions to help you do your job? Or you just have that same curiosity us techs naturally have? Or other?
"Question". Love that! That was me when I was your age. I love it because I know something good is coming. He cracked me up when he said, "we could add some", just to trigger you. Hahaha!
17:46 a wild LockPickingLawyer easter egg appears
Videos like this make me so freaking giddy. I LOVE deep dive stuff like this so much, and it's so awesome to see how much these two engineers love what they do, and just their sheer wealth of knowledge.
The subtle but nervous laughter at 1:26 was amazing when talking about Steve potentially having impact of the gpu design lol
I love the fact that you blurred out Malcolm's finger when he was giving us the bird!
Qi is so knowledgeable.
The power information was great!
The subtle blurring out of an accidental finger gesture had me dying
made me wish i could have an nvidia rep present every time i have to disassemble a card, just to guide me through it, and to handle the tighter screws lol. great video!
100% love the full explanation of the "cable controversy."
Its good to see nvidia doing community stuff we need more of this its awesome
What a great watch. It's so nice to see the enthusiasm of the people actually creating these products, instead of just the marketing.
I love this trend. Sending more technical people by companies to make so detailed videos. I think we should thank Intel for sending Tom Peterson on tour with Arc. Best kind of videos! Keep it up 👍 Fun reference to LPL there 😂
It's great that they managed to get the real technical people there to talk about it. That's some good informative content.
Lock picking lawyer reference at 17:46 I believe hahaha
we need more of this guy. His enthusiasm for his job and the excitment he shows are amazing. Great video
laughed so hard when you blurred the guy giving the bird while pointing at the x frame 🤣
the blurring of the pointing with the middle finger, lol
Well 28:36 the part with the new 12V connector aged really well. 🤣
What a stupid connector that PCI-SIG the guys who made it know about its problems and still shipped it.
Buy a 4090 right now, it includes free of charge a burnt house. It will even melt your bones. Guaranteed.
The best gaming/pchardware TH-cam channel out there. No drama, just quality programming. S Tier
GN once again setting the standard for these types of videos
I thought I was going blind for a second, then I realised you blurred his finger lol. Always enjoy your professional approach. Great video. 👍
Loved the energy that Malcolm brought, combined with the knowledge. Hoping Nvidia and the other tech companies continue to let the engineers speak to the press.
I love how Malcolm threw in a little nod to LockPickingLawyer at 17:39.
Steve is like the teacher that grades your paper in front of you
28:55: Its funny how they are zooming on that cable, that would burn if bended sideway :D
finally, these look great... they finally learned how to make a better FE
love all these guests who know so much about the subject , the joy of the themal engineer seeing the reveal of the TIM on the teardown was great !
great video as always, thanks Steve
seems like Malcolm watches The Lockpicking Lawyer
I wish every manufacturer did similar walk-through of their products to understand it better and appreciate the design