True, but I guess when you’re chiseling it out you run the risk of dislodging the ones next to it. I can’t see this slurry business lasting anywhere near a year though I must admit
I definitely wouldn’t mix it on top of the paving! Those bits you dropped will be noticeable spots when it rains! And I’d also mix 1 part SBR to 2 parts water before adding cement - it’s strong enough to dilute as it’s an additive, I’ve never had any issues and been through dozens and dozens of tubs. Would work out way to expensive if I didn’t dilute I’d be using 6 tubs per job
Never touch someone else’s bodged work, a friend of my mine did this exact job a couple of years ago and the owner blamed him for the issues it went to small claims court and my friend lost, all in all it cost him about 5k
Yeah it is bloody obnoxious stuff. I should say your bonding agents are the same. We tend to inherit stuff you guys over there invent. Sbr is a latex based liquid you mix with cement to make the slurry. It is white but always turns blue when you mix it, I am not sure why.
Some of y'all unrealistic. You can pay high or low and still end up with the exact same cr4p quality job. Price often doesn't actually indicate very much when it comes to either interior or exterior works.
I'm a fully qualified stone mason. I used inch to dust limestone vibrated bed, then a 2" layer of Steel Slag Ash to lay my flags on it was also very good drainage. I've had customers drive Land Rovers on and off with big trailer's and big vans the flags never moved once pointed in correctly. Some of my driveways, patios etc are still standing after 38 years of use. Even the pointing has lasted. I never used anything else, the slag is like pieces of Crunchy Bars, a couple of knocks with the Beatle (mallet) and the flags were solid... No rocking or anything. But the steel slag is like rocking horse pooh these days. Far too many cowboys about now.
Provide a written quote by recorded delivery stating that foundations are the real problem. Give them options to replace the foundation layer or do a short term fix. Then you are covered when they go cheap.
That's not always true! My charges are cheap and reasonably priced and I've been laying flags for 6+ years and never had one complaint or call back. I've been to many jobs in my time to inspect other tradesmens shoddy jobs and they charged an arm and leg for their work. The cheap work = crap job is a myth!
I've just bought a new house and the patio was wobbly. Lifted the stones and there's not even a bed of mortar, it's like just patches on the corners and the perimeter and a gaping hole in the middle. Why do people constantly bodge stuff
Im so sick of shoddy workmen im here learning how to do this myself. The industry should be regulated as theres too many people just charging a fortune for botch jobs.
I'll never repair a bodged job did it with a driveway as it was pudling had me back a few times as I was the last to touch it take my advice don't touch it.
Level the ground, fcuk load of blinding, whacker plate then set the slabs down. No need to mortar them in, 12 years and counting and 4 paved areas of my garden haven’t given me any issues.
Nice medium thickness Sbr is so much easier than taking all the mortar out and it’s sticks like hell ay ! Obviously not ideal but hey it’s a repair and better than potentially popping loads up by accident while taking the old mix out cos lets face nearly all the patios laid in Nat stone will never be primed ! Well they weren’t and I’ve never taken one up like the in over 20years ha good job mate👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
You don’t need sbr or primer on natural stone a full motor bed is fine with plenty of cement in the mix. sbr and priming slurry is only for porcelain really.
Not used SBR before. If I was the customer instead of a temporary fix I’d just pay for all the flags relaying properly with a decent mix. Point them up too so water can’t get under the flags
You are absolutely correct, but this customer has just paid £7000 to have this patio done incorrectly they are going to wait a couple of years to have it redone. Because of cost
I always water down down some adhesive and brush it on like you would ceramic believe me since iv done that with Indian sandstone which that is it never comes loose
Never touch someone else’s shoddy work,customers that choose the cheapest quote have a habit of shifting the blame to you once you have touched it.
As long as it is documented in video and photo he should be fine. But yes, this is a very real concern.
I do nothing but rectify cowboys work like this and that’s never happened to me.
@@jimmartin8950 rip the lot up and start again!
seems like you need better communication with your customers
So so true my friend
Surely digging out the crap and recementing is the right way
True, but I guess when you’re chiseling it out you run the risk of dislodging the ones next to it. I can’t see this slurry business lasting anywhere near a year though I must admit
Had this issue myself for an old dear. Dot and dab cement. 7 loose slabs turned into 13 with trying to chip out and prepare properly.
Can u use sbr and mortar instead of cement for the slurry?
How to fix a botched job, get another botched job done
What would you do?
@@olivergoodwin1348bed it again and slurry the back of slab...this man just cowboyed it.
Re bed the cu#t
@Oliver Goodwin I would personally use tile adhesive
@@olivergoodwin1348Expanding foam 👍
I would brush the loose out clean the area chip what’s left down 50mm . Then put a nice fresh bed of sand and cement .
He said it would only get another year and it still needed ripping up
@@Schmulyfor what he was proposing to do!
Agree, and would be cheaper
I definitely wouldn’t mix it on top of the paving! Those bits you dropped will be noticeable spots when it rains! And I’d also mix 1 part SBR to 2 parts water before adding cement - it’s strong enough to dilute as it’s an additive, I’ve never had any issues and been through dozens and dozens of tubs. Would work out way to expensive if I didn’t dilute I’d be using 6 tubs per job
I know.. mixing an SBR cement slurry on that stone is a defo no no
Never touch someone else’s bodged work, a friend of my mine did this exact job a couple of years ago and the owner blamed him for the issues it went to small claims court and my friend lost, all in all it cost him about 5k
lol
Be very careful painting sbr on natural stone. It has a habit of bleeding through and don't splash it on the top, it won't come off
Yeah you right
Really even with acid? I never heard of that product In the states I use a straight Portland slurry with bonding agent
Yeah it is bloody obnoxious stuff. I should say your bonding agents are the same. We tend to inherit stuff you guys over there invent. Sbr is a latex based liquid you mix with cement to make the slurry. It is white but always turns blue when you mix it, I am not sure why.
That’s not far off a full bed. If the slab had been primed I bet ya it would never have come up. Mix was very lean however.
As soon as that first slab was lifted I would have told the customer it needs starting again. That or walk away.
Why?
Pikeys been round there then I see
Some of y'all unrealistic. You can pay high or low and still end up with the exact same cr4p quality job. Price often doesn't actually indicate very much when it comes to either interior or exterior works.
Why get "professionals" in for a quick bodge job? Either do the DIY or get the pros back to fix it properly
Prolly selling up
I'm a fully qualified stone mason. I used inch to dust limestone vibrated bed, then a 2" layer of Steel Slag Ash to lay my flags on it was also very good drainage. I've had customers drive Land Rovers on and off with big trailer's and big vans the flags never moved once pointed in correctly. Some of my driveways, patios etc are still standing after 38 years of use. Even the pointing has lasted. I never used anything else, the slag is like pieces of Crunchy Bars, a couple of knocks with the Beatle (mallet) and the flags were solid... No rocking or anything. But the steel slag is like rocking horse pooh these days.
Far too many cowboys about now.
Yup 🤠
I would dig that up under that slab and have laid a good bed of tile adhesive I think, rather than sticking down to soft flakey stuff.
I've seen outdoor tile adhesive used for these kind of situations, good strong quick fix that should last a few years
What a shame they worked hard to pay for a job that wasn’t done right
Provide a written quote by recorded delivery stating that foundations are the real problem. Give them options to replace the foundation layer or do a short term fix. Then you are covered when they go cheap.
Get some sharp sand and make it level. Then grout between the slabs
Surly the slab will still be loose?
Orange juice.. rip it up and start again from the 70s i think
Moral of the story don’t pay cheap to get cheap work , just pay the price for great work and you won’t have to bring someone back 6 months time
That's not always true! My charges are cheap and reasonably priced and I've been laying flags for 6+ years and never had one complaint or call back. I've been to many jobs in my time to inspect other tradesmens shoddy jobs and they charged an arm and leg for their work. The cheap work = crap job is a myth!
It will bond it to loose dry bed so will just pop off again, talk them into having it pulled up and laid again
This gentleman suggestion is spot on, however he should have made liquid slurry stiffened with sharp sand to fill voids in original mortar under slabs
Can u make a slurry with sbr and mortar instead of cement?
Crazy what people get away with in the first place
Whats the ratio of sbr to cement?
I've just bought a new house and the patio was wobbly. Lifted the stones and there's not even a bed of mortar, it's like just patches on the corners and the perimeter and a gaping hole in the middle. Why do people constantly bodge stuff
Its prob weathered not botched
Im so sick of shoddy workmen im here learning how to do this myself. The industry should be regulated as theres too many people just charging a fortune for botch jobs.
Couldn't you have just put a new screed under it in the same time this took 🤔
Would like your services... can you give me your business details to discuss further.
Thanks
I'll never repair a bodged job did it with a driveway as it was pudling had me back a few times as I was the last to touch it take my advice don't touch it.
😂 adhere it to both sides of the slab?? I’d go get a job in McDonald’s if I were you
Mixing it up on that patio without a board or plastic around you 😮😮 that stuff dont come off
be easier to remove the shite and dump in some new gear under the one slab. Bonding it back with slurry is not a good idea
Cut out the shit bed and re bed it the right way surely lol
I've never seen it done like that before using sbr and cement, curious 🤔
Adhere it to both sides of the slab??????
🤔
Some bad long joints on that too. Wrong pattern, looks cobbled together.
Advise the customer it needs re-doing in full, and advise them to go to small claims court to get a refund
Only in Britain... lol
Never hire someone who can’t mix concrete
There's so many useless tradesman these days
Imagine not even being able to lay a paving slab 😂😂
2 parts cement and SBR? What's that mean?
Adhere it to BOTH sides of the slab?.., bit messy? :-p
Yep it works though. It needs ripping up and starting again
You don’t put it on both sides of the slab 😂
Brand new slabs, proceeds to mix up with no dustsheet
That what happens when use landscape gardener
Haha cement on flag stones? 😂 I knew you were professional when you mixed it using a wallpaper brush
A wet lay will outlast a dry lay by 20 years
That's exactly how I'd repair that. It needs a full tear up but it can be held together for 20+ years with patchwork fixes. Nice!
And thats going to gold for 20 years?
Sbr is a gift from the lord himself.
Why do you paint the old cement at the end 😳
Looks like he peed himself
Reminds me of new build standard's
I had that with my patio. Not more than 6 months old. I was told not to walk on the edges? I was given silicon to glue it back?!
😂
Level the ground, fcuk load of blinding, whacker plate then set the slabs down. No need to mortar them in, 12 years and counting and 4 paved areas of my garden haven’t given me any issues.
SBR on the hands ..hated that
I wonder what lot did the original work.....hhmmmmm
He’s prob back for warranty work 🤣
Call them back
The post-install pics/video popped up in my feed yesterday. So interesting to see the reality.
Of this job? Let’s have a link please
😂😂😂😂
Lmao
thanks so much for the vidio & info
Markie!
Nice medium thickness Sbr is so much easier than taking all the mortar out and it’s sticks like hell ay ! Obviously not ideal but hey it’s a repair and better than potentially popping loads up by accident while
taking the old mix out cos lets face nearly all the patios laid in Nat stone will never be primed ! Well they weren’t and I’ve never taken one up like the in over 20years ha good job mate👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Really helpful thanks
No problem 👍
What’s sbr?
Like pva, on steroids! You have to be careful with it though! Makes a right mess if you get it on anything
You don’t need sbr or primer on natural stone a full motor bed is fine with plenty of cement in the mix. sbr and priming slurry is only for porcelain really.
Not used SBR before. If I was the customer instead of a temporary fix I’d just pay for all the flags relaying properly with a decent mix. Point them up too so water can’t get under the flags
You are absolutely correct, but this customer has just paid £7000 to have this patio done incorrectly they are going to wait a couple of years to have it redone. Because of cost
No protection n slab leaning on the render! Brave man 🥵
Couldn’t even cut it round the gutter trap properly
I always water down down some adhesive and brush it on like you would ceramic believe me since iv done that with Indian sandstone which that is it never comes loose
Should still be under warranty
You cowboy.
God bless christian kids.
Any jobs mate ?