I tried that once at the location with that effect, hoping to see how the interaction worked. It works just as it reads: at the end of the game the card is flipped and the location changes. Since the end of the game is the wrap up after all the turns occur it makes sense you do not get to play again. I did lose that game to test that by the way 😅
The "cards that cost x" and "x-cost card" distinction is not one omst ppl would assume going into snap, but it honestly makes sense when you think about the wording.
I think it's worth noting that "at the end of the game" triggering in play order is the same as any other triggered abilities reacting to the same thing
Another Captain Marvel thing that makes sense if you're actually reading the text, but may not intuit initially, is that she can move to Rickety Bridge at the end of the game without causing any cards to be destroyed there. The check for the bridge happened at the end of turn 6/7, and does not happen again at the "end of game."
Another thing worth mentioning is: Face-down cards cannot be destroyed by normal means: Gambit, Carnage, Venom, Destroyer, Deathlok and etc. won't kill your cards if they were face-down when theirs effects trigger, and face-down cards cannot be moved by normal means: Bifrost/Heindall won't move your face-down cards hidden behind Invisible-woman/Dark Dimension. However Face-down cards can be moved by effects like Juggernaut and Aero and can be destroyed if they were moved to Fisk Tower/Kingpin location.
Yep, I had murder world as first location, lemuria as last, so played brood into MW thinking it would be safe as face down, when the hammer hit, the graphic became visible and it got destroyed
Other weird ones I've found: Juggernaut + Aero doesn't work. Juggernaut will kick the cards played that turn out of the location, but Aero will not drag them back. While Juggernaut & Aero can move facedown cards played that turn, Heimdall can't move Invisible Woman or Dark Dimension facedown cards.
The jubilee interactions really are the strange ones here that feel hard-coded and super inconsistent (like you said). She doesn't work with an absorbing man/lockjaw she pulls, but she does get an extra trigger from an odin she pulls. It's like she's at a weird pseudo-placement of being at a location yet not played before it all resolves.
she is "at the location", but she has not finished "being played". Best to think of "being played" as a duration/interval event, which starts when the card is laid face down, and finishes when the onreveal effects complete.
@@brofst This explaination makes sense as Jubilee will also still interact with Zola, something I’ve been having fun with recently. Don’t try to get to infinite this way, it’s wildly inconsistent, but very fun. I once hit on Jubileee pulling Zola, the split Jube pulled Odin, then pulled Giganto and the 2nd split pulled Infinaut. This combo will never happen again.
huh, when you were at shuri and her lab, i was expecting you to talk about how they do *not* work the same. If you shuri a venom, you get 1*2 + anything he eats as his power, if you venom into shuri's lab, you get his total power after eating doubled. big difference
its a timing issue On reveal efects resolve in the order they are played, and location efects resolve last, so Shuri will resolve before venom, but the lab will resolve after.
@@Flackon Yeah, another interaction is if you Enchantress an Armor on Death's Domain Enchantress will die, because she resolves first then location triggers.
One difference between professor X and miniture lab is that the lab does not have the "can't be removed from this location" like prof X. So cards can still be pulled out of the lab by cards like polairs or Magneto before turn 6
For the hela one: I get that they want to keep the UI simple, but they absolutely need to have the ability to view your discard pile, your destroy pile, your opponent’s discard pile, and your opponent’s destroy pile. Similarly, it would be nice to have UI for the infinity gauntlet (honestly should exist just for cool factor, even aside from gameplay importance) Also it would be really nice to have a game log (maybe hidden in the press on the energy button).
i agree if its ur own discard and destroy pile but definitely not your opponent, the surprise factor is lost and that is important as well cause knowing what ur opponent destroyed or discard and u can basically guess what deck they playing
One very rare case is if you play Wong, Onslaught, and Odin all into Onslaught’s Citadel to trigger an On Reveal a ton of times, the Fast Forward mechanic they implemented will actually skip over a lot of the On Reveal triggers and leave you sad
I imagine this is one of those “videos you’re extremely proud of and know it won’t do as well as your lower effort stuff” I found it very helpful - especially stuff that I wasn’t sure worked the way I had noticed it working. Namely, swarm being brought back by Hela and Aero-ing cards into Death’s Domain killing Aero but allowing facedown cards to flip up and live. Wish I had know about that one earlier.
Another thing to note about Hela: when her effect triggers, it takes all the cards in the discard pile and then brings them back one by one, but cards that are added to the discard pile during that effect (like if Hela resurrects Hellcow) will not come back. However, if you have Blade (or similar) and Hellrider in your discard pile, then play Hela, and Hela first resurrects Blade, Blade discards X from your hand, then Hela resurrects Hellrider, and Hellrider resurrects X.
lost to a T5 Ironman, followed by a T6 Arnim Zola, copying a Jubilee who pulled a Mystique who then got to copy Ironman's ongoing ability. Feels bad man
Another Mysterio interaction that lost me a recent game: if you play Mysterio at Shuri's lab, despite having a current displayed power of 0, it will have 8 power when he reveals himself.
Found out the hard way that kingpin kills the cards before they reveal if moved from the same spot as invisible woman. So when I played armor and another card thinking that when my opponent Aeros my cards to kingpin, armor would reveal and prevent destruction, kingpin just killed the cards before they flipped. Big man doesnt mess around
So I've come across this situation twice. I was winning one lane and oponnent was winning Bar with no name. Third lane was tied. Captain Marvel's tip says 'Tiebreakers are decided by total power' which I assumed would count my points in Bar with no name as my own. To my surprise it doesn't. Points on your own side in Bar with no Name are counted as oponnent's points to the count of total power
One that I was hoping you'd cover was Hulk Buster. You only really see it nowadays when you're in Pool 1, but it's super unintuitive when it comes to cloning/moving. For example, playing it into Cloning Vats doesn't give you another Hulk Buster, just a copy of the card it fuses into. Same basic thing for Sinister London, where it'll fuse, then make a copy of the fused card in another location.
Nah this interaction makes sense as location effects happen after and when it scans for HB it's now binded onto another card so that's the card that gets copied
@@sixpathsofpain6595 some guy commented on how it works into lockjaw ,throwing the fused lockjaw back into your deck so it doesnt make as much sense as u think
@yance - عاصم that's it following its own logic, lockjaw and a played card have the same order of effects as a location. HB's on reveal happens before lockjaws effect, then lockjaw scans for the card which is now itself so he dunks himself
@@areyanceJr makes perfect sense as on reveal effect needs to be resolved before the card is considered played. When Hulkbuster finish resolving it is now attached to another card. So what ever happens to hulkbuster now get applied to the card it is attached to.
Most heartbreaking thing I expiriensed was playing Hobgoblin on Vormir when I already played there and my opponent didnt. The locations doent check on which side it was played on. Instead it checks where it ended up after playing.
Played Rogue on a Wong location today thinking it would steal two ongoing abilities from my opponent. Turns out once the first one is taken the text on the card is changed to the ongoing ability and loses the on reveal part so it only steals one ongoing ability, same as if it was played away from Wong
I think Absorbing man works like this: copies last 'on reveal', it's resolved, then the location triggers, absorbing man copies his own ability. Same for Wong. Absorbing Man resolves, then Wong is like 'do that again sorby!' So i think it's working as it should, and if not, making him trigger twice is too OP. He's in a very good spot right now imho. I thought he'd be insane, similar to how incredible Wong and Mystique are, but how he works now actually makes him fine as is.
Him triggering twice on a wong would be more op than just any other card triggering twice on wong? It's not like you can't get the same card to retrigger either, we have odin who can do that. I don't see why Absorbing Man doesn't get to trigger twice
One Hela detail you missed is that she works similar to hellcow in that she only resurrects cards that were in your discard at the time she was played. Cards added to the discard by resurrected cards won't themselves be resurrected. Great video
Speaking of Absorbing Man and Mystique, they get really fun with Rogue thrown in. Absorbing Man cannot copy the "Steal ongoing ability" if Rogue successfully stole one but can if Rogue had no target. And Mystique can copy the ongoing ability Rogue stole.
One interaction that suprised me with miniturized lab was with multiple Man, i placed there turn 2 and "locked him" there, then i moved with Dr strange, and the clone didnt returned to the lab, stuck outside of it
I lost a game once because i got my electro Enchanted by the opponent. I tried to use Odin on him after that so my sunspot could absorv more energy on the last turn thinking enchantress only disabled the ongoing part of him, but she actually disables all of the effects of a card as long as one of them is ongoing. That's the same reason why you can play Ebony Maw on turn 4, 5 or 6 after you used a Sauron.
Absorbing Man also copies Electro's full text, including his Ongoing effect. I once tossed Electro into Lockjaw so I got the extra energy without the card limit. Then I played Absorbing Man for even more energy (I'm greedy, sue me), but he got the Ongoing effect as well as the extra energy. Definitely threw a wrench in my plan.
Everyone, including the game itself, says that the only tiebreaker is “total power”. But it’s not. It’s “strength of victory”. This means if you have more power in Bar With No Name, you need to count that power inverted to see who wins.
Difference in power is easier to understand. My opponent and I tie one location, on point a I have 16 on point a he has 12. On point b I have 22 and he has 25. 16-12 is 4. 25-22 is 3. Therefore I tie 1 location, win the difference in another by a greater amount than my opponent so I win the match
@@joseph2000117 Is it that much easier to understand? You explained the actual tiebreaker pretty briefly - if one location is tied, the winner is whoever wins their location by a greater amount. I think the main advantage of this method (besides it being correct in all cases) is that it's much easier to calculate. You don't have to do X+Y+Z for both players, just X-X and Y-Y at two locations.
I remember getting screwed over by Starlight Citadel and Klyntar. I put iron man on Klyntar on turn 4, because Starlight Citadel was further to the left so Klyntar was theoretically the only safe location for him. For some reason though, Klyntar went off first despite it and starlight Citadel theoretically happening at the same time. I still don't really get that one.
Ive noticed Starlight Citadel having priority over other "at end of turn 4" locations. No matter the left-to-right position, Citadel always seems to be triggering first.
I once lost a game because I played a green goblin on Vormir. I had played an Electro there on turn 3 and my opponent played no cards there. And for some reason Green Goblin died even tho it was the 2nd card I played there that game. Ended up losing the tiebreaker due to that and I was livid.
Another thing I noticed is that Klyntar cannot produce negative power symbiote. So if your opponent send Green Goblin to you, then Klyntar will make 0 power symbiote out of it, even though it should be -3.
klyntar is weird as hell, it also seemingly doesnt care about temporary modifiers. If you have 3 cards with no abilities being buffed by a patriot, when they merge they do not get the extra 6 power from the original cards. I would still love if they eventually introduce a card that can do something similar though. Like molecule man or someone.
Never did that because in my mind I wouldn't want Goblin to be turned into a Symbiote just in case the other player has a Killmonger for clean up as the Symbiote acts as a 1 cost card.
I haven’t tested this out entirely but there has been a few instances where absorbing man fails to copy cloak if I moved a card before playing absorbing man, but it works fine when I play absorbing man first and then move my cards. Not sure what the mechanism is.
I was very excited to comment on this video because I've seen a lot of weird interactions but my mind is blanking right now! 😭 The one weird interaction I remember at the moment is that if you Cloak a location and then the locations get moved around (like the effect of Starlight Citadel or Quake would switch their place) the location you can move things to is is the location itself, not wherever Cloak is. If I remember more weird/fun interactions I'll edit this comment to mention them, this one of the aspect of the game I really love!
Yeah starlight citadel has all kinds of weird stuff. It works the same way with quake, but how would you know that lol. Effects that say "this location really do mean "this location", even if that location moves. It's the moving around being so rare that makes it feel unintuitive.
Really nice information video! Although I believe you forgot to talk about Deadpool since he has some weird interactions (power altercation locations are what's coming up on my mind)
More videos like this would be awesome. there's a few interactions i still cant explain, but i also don't remember what happened exactly, just remember the feeling of being annoyed and frustrated, was hoping this video had an example of one of the ones that I'm forgetting. maybe next time.
there's another weird one with kamar Taj and scarlet witch,she does her on reveal twice even tho the location has already been changed ,which is sometimes fortunate ,others times not as much
If you play scarlet witch to the location that prevents on reveal effects, she also won't activate Weird how the location effect applies first then her on reveal
what if you play mystique in a lane in which the opponent block it with cosmo? If you immediately play Absorbing man does he take the on-reveal of mystique since she is still considered as on-reveal? I'm wandering cause she loose the on-reveal when she triggers her effect, but if somehow her effect is blocked can absorbing man copy it?
Also when it comes to "end of game" effects, I believe Invisible Woman is distinct in that her cards are always revealed before effects like Dracula even if she was played after it.
Another weird interaction is cards under invisible woman and interaction with other cards on the last turn. I don’t understand how. My cards under invis only interact with each other. For example patriot on 3, mystique on 4, turn 6 they reveal after each other and copy happens. However ive seen other players somehow copy effects from cards under invis on turn 6.
If mystique is the FIRST card under invis woman (or dark dimension), then she will copy the LAST card you played OUTSIDE of invis/dark. So if you play invis turn 2, mystique turn 3 under invis, and blue marvel turn 6, the mystique will copy blue marvel.
This is such a useful compellation of weird quirky rules mistakes. I'll definitely be looking back at this one when I run into a situation I cant remember the rules for.
I had a funny game yesterday involving Onslaught Citadel. Opponent had hazmat and Luke Cage ongoing combo I was using Gambit and Super Skrull was involved. Super skrull absorbed Luke Cage Powers , so I was in an OK position, Until Gambit Sniped Luke Cage out of the Game. Apparently Super Skrull LOSES Luke Cage ability once it is gone.
You actually explained this to me in a previous comment reply. Zola works like Jubilee with Taskmaster. For instance, on 4 you play a Zeroed Typhoid Mary. On 5 you Taskmaster to copy the 10 power. On 6, you Zola the Taskmaster and end up with two 10 power Taskmasters. They don’t copy the Zola’s 0 power since he technically hasn’t been played until after his On Reveal triggers. Mary is still the last card played, so they just copy her power again. This can be confusing for people used to using Zola on Black Panther because his On Reveal triggers for each copy doubling him up.
How does Lockjaw’s ability interact with locations that destroy (e.g. Death‘s Domain) or bounce back (Luke‘s Bar) cards played there? Do those cards into the deck or does the location resolve before Lockjaw?
Something worth noting with Wave, On Reveal says NEXT Turn however it actually changes the cost on the CURRENT turn and next turn, this matters for cards that target a specific cost card in a sense of "highest" and "lowest". For example, Colleen Wing on 3 would then target any card in your hand because Wave changes all of your costs to 4 immediately so you might discard a card you didn't intend to. Would affect Lady Sif too.
A Venom that gets big from Bar Sinister, then TaskMaster'd next turn. Taskmaster will only copy the Venom that ate first, not the final biggest boi Venom. You'll find yourself with a very disappointingly small Taskmaster lol
- Green goblin on Kamar Taj - Iron-fist on shuri's lab, follow by another card on shuri's lab = card moves & doubles in power. Quite different than expected as noted with juggernaut & Aero where location effects do not trigger. - Attuma on Dark Dimension or invisible woman doesn't blow himself up because revealed at end of game
Good video! And a few more: Taskmaster can copy a destroyed card's attack. Taskmaster copied by sinister london will copy the last card played before the original taskmaster. Throne room doesn't consider ongoing buff like blue marvel, but devil dinosaur's own ongoing effect is considered. I paid a few 8-cubes to know them...
Another Hela interaction: it Resurrects cards, that were not in the discard pool when hela was played - e.g. Sword Master only discarded card; Hela -> summons sword master -> discards Odin -> Odin gets played ->Triggers Sword Master ->Discards another card -> another card gets played.
Arnim Zola also has an interesting interaction with Taskmaster. If you Taskmaster on 5, then Arnim it on 6, it will keep the stats it had even though copies Arnim Zola makes trigger on reveals and you would think it would copy the 0 power. Though because of the way the Jubilee interaction works with Absorbing Man/Mystique, that might explain that interaction.
How does Juggernaut/Aero affect Lockjaw? I jugged someone who played lockjaw and a 1-drop when both cards were face down, the cards moved to another lane, and when revealed lockjaw didn't do anything. Is that expected? Or did they play those cards out of order?
The original absorbing man does not double trigger from wong, but I found a Sinister London copy WILL trigger twice. RIP Zabu surfer, you busted little pile of cards.
At The End of Game effects don’t work like that, as proven by my extensive attempts to try to get Ghost Rider to pull the card Drac discards by hiding him under Invisible Woman
Likely been mentioned, but with Shuri you need to play the next card at the *same location* she was played at - so if Shuri gets moved, play your follow-up to where she was originally played. If the *location* gets moved, play to that location, not to where Shuri was played.
Some interactions are not very intuitive indeed. If you play Absorbing man in Sinister London, and the copy is created in a location with Wong.... It triggers twice the "copied" On Reveal (Just happened to me).
Here's one, opponent played Patriot then played Mystique into Sinister location giving them 4 copies of Patriot I then played Rouge into Sinister giving me 4 Rouges the first one took the power away from 1 but the copies did nothing!? Any idea what went wrong?
That's gold, I wish I knew all of this as a beginner They definitely need to rewrite some descriptions Small add : Rogue behaves like Mystique, she loses her On Reveal status, you can't use Absorbing Man on her, I made the mistake twice yesterday
Great and much needed video. I have been playing since release and I still find myself making "for science" plays because I'm unable to intuit the interaction. Here are some interactions I found noteworthy: Knull cares about the power of cards at the time they were destroyed and not their base power the way Shuri does. So Negative Zone and Nidavellir are important considerations. Wolverine for some reason does not get played out when destroyed by the opponent's Yondu or by Lamentis. Death and Knull, however, are affected by cards destroyed from you and your opponent's deck. An idea for another video you can make could be interactions that help you win games. For instance, Galactus destroys lands left to right and destroys cards left to right starting with the top left most card. Nova buffs cards in this order as well. This information is useful when deciding where to play Nova and Wolverine in a Galactus deck. A Nova in the first position of the left lane will buff the most cards on its way out the door which makes for a much larger Knull. Wolverine can pick up an extra buff after Galactus goes off if there is a non-Galactus lane to the right of it also making Knull bigger.
I will add one I just encountered. Sakaar location on turn 1, pulling down Wave. Makes every cards in hand cost 4 right away for turn 1, but also make them cost 4 on turn 2.
I always hoped that Mystique worked with Kamar-Taj to get two instances of the last ongoing ability. Alas, it does not. The Hellcow interaction surprised me, I thought it could discard Apocalypse twice but this makes more sense, treating the effect as written ("discard 2 cards") versus 'discard 1 then discard 1 again.' Great video, very useful resource to have
Hey Jeff, in regards to the Juggernaut and Aero not proccing the "when played here..." after moving a card I had a funny interaction the other day with Quake. The left location was Vibranium mines and the middle location was a neutral zone, I played to the middle and the opponent played Quake into the middle swapping the lanes, and Vibranium mines ended up in the middle and once my card flipped up, I had 3 Vibranium shuffle into my deck whereas it did not proc for the opponent. Do you think this is a good interaction ?
Found one interesting interaction with pulled cards from Doctor Ock. Apparently when you dont have a priority and play a card in the same lane at the same time as Doc Ock pulled your card, the card you've played will reveal *last* and the cards that were added by Doc Ock will reveal first, treating them the same with enemy priority. Got myself cucked when i played shangchi but doc ock pulled my cosmo 😭😭
It can also be worth noting that Hela does not resurrect cards that are discarded during her on reveal ability. So if you resurrect a Sword Master that kills your Dracula, the Dracula does not also resurrect from Hela as well. But if Hela resurrected Ghost Rider after Sword Master, would it then be able to resurrect it? As I'm playing a couple of Hela decks right now I'm quite interested. Exactly how does the process work? Does it choose the cards simultaneously? What if all locations become full before all cards are resurrected? And what if you then managed to clear space during the on reveal phase? I would imagine the effect continues even if Hela is destroyed in the middle of it? Still so many questions. I guess I have to play Hela and Destroyer in a deck to find out.
An annoying thing about end of game effects is that, atleast for me, if i play Dracula and THEN invisible woman - the invisible woman will trigger first anyways. Ruined a meme deck idea i had for resummoning the card drac discards
Goblins played into Vormir will trigger the opponents Vormir death, not yours. I actually won a game once because I didn't play anything into Vormir all game and opp didn't think I could beat him there so they didn't contest my Hobgoblin.
Two more interaction I noticed: 1. Knull also works similarly to Taskmaster and Venom when calculating the total power of destroyed cards. 2. Absorbing man when copies the Electro on reveal ability it also copies its ongoing ability to allow you to only play one card per turn.
What bugs me the most is that copying the original Mysterio will not result in a 4 power card. And if the original Mysterio gets Arnin Zola'ed you end up with TWO zero power cards
Oddly, I've found that cost is calculated differently by Plunder's Castle, where it's about current cost when it comes to Wave, because the cost has changed to 4, but has no issue with Electro, since that just gives more energy to play cards that are naturally a 6. Didn't see that location mentioned in the video in regards to Wave interactions.
Thanks as always Jeff. It would be great to see Second Dinner have a standardized way cards interact with a defined meaning or vocabulary reference in the app. What you covered makes sense but I can recall loosing some early pool 1 and 2 games before I learned how cards would do certain things. Then getting into pool 3 it adds a whole new layer initially or when you unlock new cards.
Dunno if it's been mentioned already, but regarding the cost reduction I tend to think of it as cards that's on the field always have their original cost. Cards on the hand is treated as the cost shown on the card. I think a Waved Armor does not trigger a "Play 2-cost card"-quest, but don't quote me on that.
I had one incident when I played Lockjaw + 2 other cards on 1 location and my opponent moved all 3 card to another location by Aero then my Lockjaw ability didn’t trigger (not swapping cards with one in the deck)
I don't know if they have changed this, but when Klyntar was released, it used to merge the stats of the cards without considering their ongoing modifiers, so if you had a Devil Dinosaur in there, it would only count as 3 power. Another thing worth mentioning is that when Venom eats cards it does so one by one in the order they were played, so if you have an active Ant-Man that was played second, it will de-activate and count only as 1 power. Similarly, if your Nova gets eaten first, it will buff all other cards in the lane and add that power to Venom as well.
The misconception is that Captain Marvel doesn't move to win you the game (Fairly bad advertising), it moves to win you the location. From my experience if Captain Marvel is on a losing location and could move to shift another location from losing to winning she will move, even if the third location is already losing anyways, turning a game where you're losing the 3 locations to one where you're losing on 2. In regards of the cost part, what effectively happens is that cards have a cost for playing, but once they hit the field they revert to their true cost. This is a little bit confusing because the other number in the card, the power, has memory and does not revert if returned to the hand or even the deck, but their cost is amnesiac. One way to learn about the Hela interaction is looking at the discard count, it tells you how many cards have been discarded and are going to be returned with Hela. On the other hand, Morbius does count each discarded interaction, even if Apocalypse is returned to the hand since it was effectively discarded and its effect triggered.
They made the Jublee changes before I understood that on-reveals happen before a card is played. At the time I thought they were making the interactions more intuitive, now I feel like they made them inconsistent.
In the same vein as the shuri interactions that funnily happens IN THE SAME DECK, is how deadpool works with temporary power. Namely, he doesnt. So for example on turn 4 you play to an empty nidavelir a 1 power deadpool and venom, venom will eat the buffed deadpool and gain its at the time 6 power, but when deadpool returns to your hand it ignores the buff and doubles the rest of the power (1) to become just 2 power. (Also the discarded pool feels like a direct response to the criticism of how reviving destroyed cards works in hearthstone)
A funny interaction I've come across is Hulk Buster into Lockjaw. Lock jaw puts himself back into the deck 🤣
lmao
That's insane, I need to test that. I feel like that's not useful at all but it sure is funny.
Quick someone get the Boromir meme! We can use this power!
@@stevenpeters9038 oh it's definitely not useful lmao just outright hilarious
Yeah it's not that obvious at first that Hulk Buster makes his target a new played card. He works on Angela as well for example.
One disappointing interaction is that you cannot hide a Magik under Invisible Woman for a sneaky turn 7.
I tried that once at the location with that effect, hoping to see how the interaction worked. It works just as it reads: at the end of the game the card is flipped and the location changes. Since the end of the game is the wrap up after all the turns occur it makes sense you do not get to play again.
I did lose that game to test that by the way 😅
if you enchantress on turn 6 in the invisible woman path i think it can work, but thats a 3 card combo
@Machishiki only if you do it on opponent's IW. Otherwise, it's the same problem of IW activating after the end of the game
You can get a sneaky turn 7 if you use Hela and she revives Magik.
@@peyches00majickmanshin2 Or lockjaw on turn 6 and pull Magik
The "cards that cost x" and "x-cost card" distinction is not one omst ppl would assume going into snap, but it honestly makes sense when you think about the wording.
I think it's worth noting that "at the end of the game" triggering in play order is the same as any other triggered abilities reacting to the same thing
Another Captain Marvel thing that makes sense if you're actually reading the text, but may not intuit initially, is that she can move to Rickety Bridge at the end of the game without causing any cards to be destroyed there. The check for the bridge happened at the end of turn 6/7, and does not happen again at the "end of game."
Another thing worth mentioning is: Face-down cards cannot be destroyed by normal means: Gambit, Carnage, Venom, Destroyer, Deathlok and etc. won't kill your cards if they were face-down when theirs effects trigger, and face-down cards cannot be moved by normal means: Bifrost/Heindall won't move your face-down cards hidden behind Invisible-woman/Dark Dimension. However Face-down cards can be moved by effects like Juggernaut and Aero and can be destroyed if they were moved to Fisk Tower/Kingpin location.
Face down cards also get destroyed by murder world. That felt wrong to me
Don’t forget rouge and mystique.
@@jiveysnivy2114 Really!? I didn't know that!
Yep, I had murder world as first location, lemuria as last, so played brood into MW thinking it would be safe as face down, when the hammer hit, the graphic became visible and it got destroyed
Facedown cards also don’t turn into Hulks from gamma labs. Learned that the hard way when I played a Carnage there lmao.
Other weird ones I've found:
Juggernaut + Aero doesn't work. Juggernaut will kick the cards played that turn out of the location, but Aero will not drag them back.
While Juggernaut & Aero can move facedown cards played that turn, Heimdall can't move Invisible Woman or Dark Dimension facedown cards.
The jubilee interactions really are the strange ones here that feel hard-coded and super inconsistent (like you said). She doesn't work with an absorbing man/lockjaw she pulls, but she does get an extra trigger from an odin she pulls. It's like she's at a weird pseudo-placement of being at a location yet not played before it all resolves.
she is "at the location", but she has not finished "being played".
Best to think of "being played" as a duration/interval event, which starts when the card is laid face down, and finishes when the onreveal effects complete.
@@brofst This explaination makes sense as Jubilee will also still interact with Zola, something I’ve been having fun with recently.
Don’t try to get to infinite this way, it’s wildly inconsistent, but very fun. I once hit on Jubileee pulling Zola, the split Jube pulled Odin, then pulled Giganto and the 2nd split pulled Infinaut. This combo will never happen again.
I remember playing Captain Marvel into Bar Sinister and losing. Got VERY salty that they didn't move to the appropriate positions to win the game.
huh, when you were at shuri and her lab, i was expecting you to talk about how they do *not* work the same. If you shuri a venom, you get 1*2 + anything he eats as his power, if you venom into shuri's lab, you get his total power after eating doubled. big difference
Thats a good one to note for next time!
Also how he, Carnage, the Goblins, and multiple plays on the same turn at Bar Sinister work
its a timing issue
On reveal efects resolve in the order they are played, and location efects resolve last, so Shuri will resolve before venom, but the lab will resolve after.
@@Flackon Yeah, another interaction is if you Enchantress an Armor on Death's Domain Enchantress will die, because she resolves first then location triggers.
One difference between professor X and miniture lab is that the lab does not have the "can't be removed from this location" like prof X. So cards can still be pulled out of the lab by cards like polairs or Magneto before turn 6
They can also be destroyed there by the likes of Killmonger or Destroyer, unlike Professor X
For the hela one: I get that they want to keep the UI simple, but they absolutely need to have the ability to view your discard pile, your destroy pile, your opponent’s discard pile, and your opponent’s destroy pile.
Similarly, it would be nice to have UI for the infinity gauntlet (honestly should exist just for cool factor, even aside from gameplay importance)
Also it would be really nice to have a game log (maybe hidden in the press on the energy button).
i agree if its ur own discard and destroy pile but definitely not your opponent, the surprise factor is lost and that is important as well cause knowing what ur opponent destroyed or discard and u can basically guess what deck they playing
@@dariel299 … it’s all public information, just you miss it sometimes when you’re distracted
In addition, sometimes the UI bugs out showing a blank card discarded. Does not help if I'm paying attention then.
@@ekko56 yep, always tedious when yondu triggers and you have no idea what you've just lost.
@@dariel299 it shows you what your opponent discards already tho, there isn't a surprise factor
One very rare case is if you play Wong, Onslaught, and Odin all into Onslaught’s Citadel to trigger an On Reveal a ton of times, the Fast Forward mechanic they implemented will actually skip over a lot of the On Reveal triggers and leave you sad
After playing a zola on bar sinister, I finally saw the FF mechanic. I thought it was pretty fun tbh.
I did that but with kamar tai to get a drac to 90 something with apocalypse
I imagine this is one of those “videos you’re extremely proud of and know it won’t do as well as your lower effort stuff” I found it very helpful - especially stuff that I wasn’t sure worked the way I had noticed it working. Namely, swarm being brought back by Hela and Aero-ing cards into Death’s Domain killing Aero but allowing facedown cards to flip up and live. Wish I had know about that one earlier.
Another thing to note about Hela: when her effect triggers, it takes all the cards in the discard pile and then brings them back one by one, but cards that are added to the discard pile during that effect (like if Hela resurrects Hellcow) will not come back.
However, if you have Blade (or similar) and Hellrider in your discard pile, then play Hela, and Hela first resurrects Blade, Blade discards X from your hand, then Hela resurrects Hellrider, and Hellrider resurrects X.
Hellrider sounds like Ghostrider's lost twin brother.
lost to a T5 Ironman, followed by a T6 Arnim Zola, copying a Jubilee who pulled a Mystique who then got to copy Ironman's ongoing ability. Feels bad man
Another Mysterio interaction that lost me a recent game: if you play Mysterio at Shuri's lab, despite having a current displayed power of 0, it will have 8 power when he reveals himself.
Found out the hard way that kingpin kills the cards before they reveal if moved from the same spot as invisible woman. So when I played armor and another card thinking that when my opponent Aeros my cards to kingpin, armor would reveal and prevent destruction, kingpin just killed the cards before they flipped. Big man doesnt mess around
So I've come across this situation twice. I was winning one lane and oponnent was winning Bar with no name. Third lane was tied. Captain Marvel's tip says 'Tiebreakers are decided by total power' which I assumed would count my points in Bar with no name as my own. To my surprise it doesn't. Points on your own side in Bar with no Name are counted as oponnent's points to the count of total power
Great video. I've been curious about some of these and thoroughly confused and annoyed by others. Much appreciated.
One that I was hoping you'd cover was Hulk Buster. You only really see it nowadays when you're in Pool 1, but it's super unintuitive when it comes to cloning/moving. For example, playing it into Cloning Vats doesn't give you another Hulk Buster, just a copy of the card it fuses into. Same basic thing for Sinister London, where it'll fuse, then make a copy of the fused card in another location.
Nah this interaction makes sense as location effects happen after and when it scans for HB it's now binded onto another card so that's the card that gets copied
@@sixpathsofpain6595 some guy commented on how it works into lockjaw ,throwing the fused lockjaw back into your deck so it doesnt make as much sense as u think
@yance - عاصم that's it following its own logic, lockjaw and a played card have the same order of effects as a location. HB's on reveal happens before lockjaws effect, then lockjaw scans for the card which is now itself so he dunks himself
@@areyanceJr makes perfect sense as on reveal effect needs to be resolved before the card is considered played. When Hulkbuster finish resolving it is now attached to another card. So what ever happens to hulkbuster now get applied to the card it is attached to.
also, if you play HB on a card like Nightcrawler in Death's Domain...NC will die with HB
Most heartbreaking thing I expiriensed was playing Hobgoblin on Vormir when I already played there and my opponent didnt. The locations doent check on which side it was played on. Instead it checks where it ended up after playing.
also hobgoblin doesn't fly over if the location is locked down by prof x
That seems like a bug. I think it is worth reporting it.
Also Taskmaster can get power of last card played even if that card already in grave. That was funny animation
Played Rogue on a Wong location today thinking it would steal two ongoing abilities from my opponent. Turns out once the first one is taken the text on the card is changed to the ongoing ability and loses the on reveal part so it only steals one ongoing ability, same as if it was played away from Wong
if a card get liched or effect remouved by any mean and go back to the deck by lockjow and returns to the bord that card we get back its effect ... !!
I think Absorbing man works like this: copies last 'on reveal', it's resolved, then the location triggers, absorbing man copies his own ability. Same for Wong. Absorbing Man resolves, then Wong is like 'do that again sorby!' So i think it's working as it should, and if not, making him trigger twice is too OP. He's in a very good spot right now imho. I thought he'd be insane, similar to how incredible Wong and Mystique are, but how he works now actually makes him fine as is.
Him triggering twice on a wong would be more op than just any other card triggering twice on wong? It's not like you can't get the same card to retrigger either, we have odin who can do that. I don't see why Absorbing Man doesn't get to trigger twice
@@x9nn he triggers twice. the second time he once again copies the last played on reveal ability.
Another example with Aero is her pulling Lockjaw and other cards with priority. The cards don’t shuffle when they reveal.
One Hela detail you missed is that she works similar to hellcow in that she only resurrects cards that were in your discard at the time she was played. Cards added to the discard by resurrected cards won't themselves be resurrected.
Great video
Why would she revive cards that aren’t destroyed when the cards checks your graveyard for targets?
Speaking of Absorbing Man and Mystique, they get really fun with Rogue thrown in. Absorbing Man cannot copy the "Steal ongoing ability" if Rogue successfully stole one but can if Rogue had no target. And Mystique can copy the ongoing ability Rogue stole.
One interaction that suprised me with miniturized lab was with multiple Man, i placed there turn 2 and "locked him" there, then i moved with Dr strange, and the clone didnt returned to the lab, stuck outside of it
I lost a game once because i got my electro Enchanted by the opponent. I tried to use Odin on him after that so my sunspot could absorv more energy on the last turn thinking enchantress only disabled the ongoing part of him, but she actually disables all of the effects of a card as long as one of them is ongoing. That's the same reason why you can play Ebony Maw on turn 4, 5 or 6 after you used a Sauron.
Absorbing Man also copies Electro's full text, including his Ongoing effect. I once tossed Electro into Lockjaw so I got the extra energy without the card limit. Then I played Absorbing Man for even more energy (I'm greedy, sue me), but he got the Ongoing effect as well as the extra energy. Definitely threw a wrench in my plan.
Everyone, including the game itself, says that the only tiebreaker is “total power”. But it’s not. It’s “strength of victory”. This means if you have more power in Bar With No Name, you need to count that power inverted to see who wins.
Difference in power is easier to understand. My opponent and I tie one location, on point a I have 16 on point a he has 12. On point b I have 22 and he has 25. 16-12 is 4. 25-22 is 3. Therefore I tie 1 location, win the difference in another by a greater amount than my opponent so I win the match
true, with no name existing, saying "total power" breaks the tie is simply wrong.
@@joseph2000117 Is it that much easier to understand? You explained the actual tiebreaker pretty briefly - if one location is tied, the winner is whoever wins their location by a greater amount.
I think the main advantage of this method (besides it being correct in all cases) is that it's much easier to calculate. You don't have to do X+Y+Z for both players, just X-X and Y-Y at two locations.
Semantics.
I remember getting screwed over by Starlight Citadel and Klyntar. I put iron man on Klyntar on turn 4, because Starlight Citadel was further to the left so Klyntar was theoretically the only safe location for him. For some reason though, Klyntar went off first despite it and starlight Citadel theoretically happening at the same time. I still don't really get that one.
This shouldn't have happened as location triggers should occur from left to right
Yeah, I've gotten hosed by unexpected sequencing from locations from time to time.
Whether intentional or a bug, Starlight Citadel always happens first. Every other location works left to right.
This would have been my suggestion too. It’s very unintuitive that it works differently than every other location.
Ive noticed Starlight Citadel having priority over other "at end of turn 4" locations. No matter the left-to-right position, Citadel always seems to be triggering first.
I once lost a game because I played a green goblin on Vormir. I had played an Electro there on turn 3 and my opponent played no cards there. And for some reason Green Goblin died even tho it was the 2nd card I played there that game. Ended up losing the tiebreaker due to that and I was livid.
I beat a guy who did that to me with a hob goblin. I had no idea that worked either but I was laughing my ass off.
Another thing I noticed is that Klyntar cannot produce negative power symbiote. So if your opponent send Green Goblin to you, then Klyntar will make 0 power symbiote out of it, even though it should be -3.
klyntar is weird as hell, it also seemingly doesnt care about temporary modifiers. If you have 3 cards with no abilities being buffed by a patriot, when they merge they do not get the extra 6 power from the original cards. I would still love if they eventually introduce a card that can do something similar though. Like molecule man or someone.
Never did that because in my mind I wouldn't want Goblin to be turned into a Symbiote just in case the other player has a Killmonger for clean up as the Symbiote acts as a 1 cost card.
We need to standardize some of these phrases.
The Vulture into Iron Fist into Hulk buster is also a nice trick.
i know these dont get the views, but i love them. keep them up
I haven’t tested this out entirely but there has been a few instances where absorbing man fails to copy cloak if I moved a card before playing absorbing man, but it works fine when I play absorbing man first and then move my cards. Not sure what the mechanism is.
I was very excited to comment on this video because I've seen a lot of weird interactions but my mind is blanking right now! 😭
The one weird interaction I remember at the moment is that if you Cloak a location and then the locations get moved around (like the effect of Starlight Citadel or Quake would switch their place) the location you can move things to is is the location itself, not wherever Cloak is.
If I remember more weird/fun interactions I'll edit this comment to mention them, this one of the aspect of the game I really love!
Same thing with JJ and Rescue.
Yeah starlight citadel has all kinds of weird stuff. It works the same way with quake, but how would you know that lol. Effects that say "this location really do mean "this location", even if that location moves. It's the moving around being so rare that makes it feel unintuitive.
Really nice information video! Although I believe you forgot to talk about Deadpool since he has some weird interactions (power altercation locations are what's coming up on my mind)
More videos like this would be awesome. there's a few interactions i still cant explain, but i also don't remember what happened exactly, just remember the feeling of being annoyed and frustrated, was hoping this video had an example of one of the ones that I'm forgetting. maybe next time.
there's another weird one with kamar Taj and scarlet witch,she does her on reveal twice even tho the location has already been changed ,which is sometimes fortunate ,others times not as much
If you play scarlet witch to the location that prevents on reveal effects, she also won't activate
Weird how the location effect applies first then her on reveal
Location takes priority until there is no conflict with the card's on reveal ability
what if you play mystique in a lane in which the opponent block it with cosmo? If you immediately play Absorbing man does he take the on-reveal of mystique since she is still considered as on-reveal? I'm wandering cause she loose the on-reveal when she triggers her effect, but if somehow her effect is blocked can absorbing man copy it?
Absorbing Man also is „on reveal“. Cosmo doesn’t like that.
@@Gigatoreador you don't have to play absorbing man in the same lane of cosmo
Also when it comes to "end of game" effects, I believe Invisible Woman is distinct in that her cards are always revealed before effects like Dracula even if she was played after it.
Yes, there's a difference between "until end of game" and "at end of game".
Another weird interaction is cards under invisible woman and interaction with other cards on the last turn. I don’t understand how. My cards under invis only interact with each other. For example patriot on 3, mystique on 4, turn 6 they reveal after each other and copy happens. However ive seen other players somehow copy effects from cards under invis on turn 6.
If mystique is the FIRST card under invis woman (or dark dimension), then she will copy the LAST card you played OUTSIDE of invis/dark. So if you play invis turn 2, mystique turn 3 under invis, and blue marvel turn 6, the mystique will copy blue marvel.
A very sneaky interaction is with Limbo and location changers like Storm, Scarlet Witch and Rhino. You place them on Limbo on turn 6 and the is over
This is such a useful compellation of weird quirky rules mistakes. I'll definitely be looking back at this one when I run into a situation I cant remember the rules for.
Absorbing Man should act twice on Wong effect!!! I was almost misplayed because of that!!! Unfortunately Still win eight cubes 😎
I had a funny game yesterday involving Onslaught Citadel.
Opponent had hazmat and Luke Cage ongoing combo
I was using Gambit and Super Skrull was involved.
Super skrull absorbed Luke Cage Powers , so I was in an OK position, Until Gambit Sniped Luke Cage out of the Game. Apparently Super Skrull LOSES Luke Cage ability once it is gone.
The first time I played Knull was onto Shuri’s Lab. I was very disappointed.
12:12 I lost a game because I didn't know about this bug, I played Surfer then Absorbing Man on a Kamar-Taj and AM only copied Surfer once...
You actually explained this to me in a previous comment reply. Zola works like Jubilee with Taskmaster.
For instance, on 4 you play a Zeroed Typhoid Mary. On 5 you Taskmaster to copy the 10 power. On 6, you Zola the Taskmaster and end up with two 10 power Taskmasters. They don’t copy the Zola’s 0 power since he technically hasn’t been played until after his On Reveal triggers. Mary is still the last card played, so they just copy her power again.
This can be confusing for people used to using Zola on Black Panther because his On Reveal triggers for each copy doubling him up.
Colossus can’t be played into Luke’s bar either, even though it says it can’t be moved. Luke’s bar don’t give AF
here's one weird interaction: Aero pulled my un-turned Lockjaw and Armor. Lockjaw didn't cycle Armor after the pull.
Wonderful educational video. (Also, I really don't like the inconsistency of post-parch Jubilee ... Thanks for calling attention to that)
How does Lockjaw’s ability interact with locations that destroy (e.g. Death‘s Domain) or bounce back (Luke‘s Bar) cards played there? Do those cards into the deck or does the location resolve before Lockjaw?
Something worth noting with Wave, On Reveal says NEXT Turn however it actually changes the cost on the CURRENT turn and next turn, this matters for cards that target a specific cost card in a sense of "highest" and "lowest". For example, Colleen Wing on 3 would then target any card in your hand because Wave changes all of your costs to 4 immediately so you might discard a card you didn't intend to. Would affect Lady Sif too.
A Venom that gets big from Bar Sinister, then TaskMaster'd next turn. Taskmaster will only copy the Venom that ate first, not the final biggest boi Venom. You'll find yourself with a very disappointingly small Taskmaster lol
- Green goblin on Kamar Taj
- Iron-fist on shuri's lab, follow by another card on shuri's lab = card moves & doubles in power. Quite different than expected as noted with juggernaut & Aero where location effects do not trigger.
- Attuma on Dark Dimension or invisible woman doesn't blow himself up because revealed at end of game
Good video! And a few more:
Taskmaster can copy a destroyed card's attack.
Taskmaster copied by sinister london will copy the last card played before the original taskmaster.
Throne room doesn't consider ongoing buff like blue marvel, but devil dinosaur's own ongoing effect is considered.
I paid a few 8-cubes to know them...
Another Hela interaction: it Resurrects cards, that were not in the discard pool when hela was played - e.g. Sword Master only discarded card; Hela -> summons sword master -> discards Odin -> Odin gets played ->Triggers Sword Master ->Discards another card -> another card gets played.
Arnim Zola also has an interesting interaction with Taskmaster. If you Taskmaster on 5, then Arnim it on 6, it will keep the stats it had even though copies Arnim Zola makes trigger on reveals and you would think it would copy the 0 power. Though because of the way the Jubilee interaction works with Absorbing Man/Mystique, that might explain that interaction.
How does Juggernaut/Aero affect Lockjaw? I jugged someone who played lockjaw and a 1-drop when both cards were face down, the cards moved to another lane, and when revealed lockjaw didn't do anything. Is that expected? Or did they play those cards out of order?
The original absorbing man does not double trigger from wong, but I found a Sinister London copy WILL trigger twice. RIP Zabu surfer, you busted little pile of cards.
At The End of Game effects don’t work like that, as proven by my extensive attempts to try to get Ghost Rider to pull the card Drac discards by hiding him under Invisible Woman
Likely been mentioned, but with Shuri you need to play the next card at the *same location* she was played at - so if Shuri gets moved, play your follow-up to where she was originally played. If the *location* gets moved, play to that location, not to where Shuri was played.
I learned the absorbing man--Mystique (lack of) interaction the hard way today, after snapping lol
Some interactions are not very intuitive indeed. If you play Absorbing man in Sinister London, and the copy is created in a location with Wong.... It triggers twice the "copied" On Reveal (Just happened to me).
Here's one, opponent played Patriot then played Mystique into Sinister location giving them 4 copies of Patriot I then played Rouge into Sinister giving me 4 Rouges the first one took the power away from 1 but the copies did nothing!? Any idea what went wrong?
That's gold, I wish I knew all of this as a beginner
They definitely need to rewrite some descriptions
Small add : Rogue behaves like Mystique, she loses her On Reveal status, you can't use Absorbing Man on her, I made the mistake twice yesterday
Great and much needed video. I have been playing since release and I still find myself making "for science" plays because I'm unable to intuit the interaction.
Here are some interactions I found noteworthy:
Knull cares about the power of cards at the time they were destroyed and not their base power the way Shuri does. So Negative Zone and Nidavellir are important considerations.
Wolverine for some reason does not get played out when destroyed by the opponent's Yondu or by Lamentis. Death and Knull, however, are affected by cards destroyed from you and your opponent's deck.
An idea for another video you can make could be interactions that help you win games. For instance, Galactus destroys lands left to right and destroys cards left to right starting with the top left most card. Nova buffs cards in this order as well. This information is useful when deciding where to play Nova and Wolverine in a Galactus deck. A Nova in the first position of the left lane will buff the most cards on its way out the door which makes for a much larger Knull. Wolverine can pick up an extra buff after Galactus goes off if there is a non-Galactus lane to the right of it also making Knull bigger.
I will add one I just encountered. Sakaar location on turn 1, pulling down Wave. Makes every cards in hand cost 4 right away for turn 1, but also make them cost 4 on turn 2.
Would love to see an explanation of how things like Mystique work with Invisible Woman or Dark Dimension.
I always hoped that Mystique worked with Kamar-Taj to get two instances of the last ongoing ability. Alas, it does not.
The Hellcow interaction surprised me, I thought it could discard Apocalypse twice but this makes more sense, treating the effect as written ("discard 2 cards") versus 'discard 1 then discard 1 again.'
Great video, very useful resource to have
@@Flackon it makes sense reading the card, but the animation of discarding one card, then another can make is less obvious
Hey Jeff, in regards to the Juggernaut and Aero not proccing the "when played here..." after moving a card I had a funny interaction the other day with Quake. The left location was Vibranium mines and the middle location was a neutral zone, I played to the middle and the opponent played Quake into the middle swapping the lanes, and Vibranium mines ended up in the middle and once my card flipped up, I had 3 Vibranium shuffle into my deck whereas it did not proc for the opponent. Do you think this is a good interaction ?
Found one interesting interaction with pulled cards from Doctor Ock. Apparently when you dont have a priority and play a card in the same lane at the same time as Doc Ock pulled your card, the card you've played will reveal *last* and the cards that were added by Doc Ock will reveal first, treating them the same with enemy priority. Got myself cucked when i played shangchi but doc ock pulled my cosmo 😭😭
Didnt know cap marvel doesnt work together with other cap marvels. And didnt know about how taskmaster and venom work with temp buffs
It can also be worth noting that Hela does not resurrect cards that are discarded during her on reveal ability. So if you resurrect a Sword Master that kills your Dracula, the Dracula does not also resurrect from Hela as well. But if Hela resurrected Ghost Rider after Sword Master, would it then be able to resurrect it?
As I'm playing a couple of Hela decks right now I'm quite interested. Exactly how does the process work? Does it choose the cards simultaneously? What if all locations become full before all cards are resurrected? And what if you then managed to clear space during the on reveal phase? I would imagine the effect continues even if Hela is destroyed in the middle of it? Still so many questions. I guess I have to play Hela and Destroyer in a deck to find out.
An annoying thing about end of game effects is that, atleast for me, if i play Dracula and THEN invisible woman - the invisible woman will trigger first anyways. Ruined a meme deck idea i had for resummoning the card drac discards
Goblins played into Vormir will trigger the opponents Vormir death, not yours. I actually won a game once because I didn't play anything into Vormir all game and opp didn't think I could beat him there so they didn't contest my Hobgoblin.
Two more interaction I noticed:
1. Knull also works similarly to Taskmaster and Venom when calculating the total power of destroyed cards.
2. Absorbing man when copies the Electro on reveal ability it also copies its ongoing ability to allow you to only play one card per turn.
What bugs me the most is that copying the original Mysterio will not result in a 4 power card. And if the original Mysterio gets Arnin Zola'ed you end up with TWO zero power cards
Captain Marvel: She still moves to Fisk Tower even if it destroys Cap.Marvel.
I had experienced that
Two different interactions that don't make too much sense are kraven with Heimdall and absorbing man with lockjaw
Playing Jugg and Aero in the same path on the same turn (Elysium etc), Aero will not pull back a card that Jugg kicks out.
Changing absorbing man to be last Other card you played would be the fix I think (so it doesn't count it's self)
Good thing they finally changed Absorbing Man to work with Wong and Kamar-Taj!
Oddly, I've found that cost is calculated differently by Plunder's Castle, where it's about current cost when it comes to Wave, because the cost has changed to 4, but has no issue with Electro, since that just gives more energy to play cards that are naturally a 6. Didn't see that location mentioned in the video in regards to Wave interactions.
Thanks as always Jeff.
It would be great to see Second Dinner have a standardized way cards interact with a defined meaning or vocabulary reference in the app.
What you covered makes sense but I can recall loosing some early pool 1 and 2 games before I learned how cards would do certain things. Then getting into pool 3 it adds a whole new layer initially or when you unlock new cards.
Absorbing Man and Odin don't play well together either. I tried to be cheeky with that interaction and it just fizzled.
Also, Angela doesn't get buffed when she's on lukes bar even though it was technically played and the bar kicks it out.
10:51 ahh, that's why leader copying taskmaster doesn't get leader's power, but the power of the card played before. thanks!
Dunno if it's been mentioned already, but regarding the cost reduction I tend to think of it as cards that's on the field always have their original cost. Cards on the hand is treated as the cost shown on the card. I think a Waved Armor does not trigger a "Play 2-cost card"-quest, but don't quote me on that.
I had one incident when I played Lockjaw + 2 other cards on 1 location and my opponent moved all 3 card to another location by Aero then my Lockjaw ability didn’t trigger (not swapping cards with one in the deck)
I don't know if they have changed this, but when Klyntar was released, it used to merge the stats of the cards without considering their ongoing modifiers, so if you had a Devil Dinosaur in there, it would only count as 3 power.
Another thing worth mentioning is that when Venom eats cards it does so one by one in the order they were played, so if you have an active Ant-Man that was played second, it will de-activate and count only as 1 power. Similarly, if your Nova gets eaten first, it will buff all other cards in the lane and add that power to Venom as well.
The misconception is that Captain Marvel doesn't move to win you the game (Fairly bad advertising), it moves to win you the location. From my experience if Captain Marvel is on a losing location and could move to shift another location from losing to winning she will move, even if the third location is already losing anyways, turning a game where you're losing the 3 locations to one where you're losing on 2.
In regards of the cost part, what effectively happens is that cards have a cost for playing, but once they hit the field they revert to their true cost. This is a little bit confusing because the other number in the card, the power, has memory and does not revert if returned to the hand or even the deck, but their cost is amnesiac.
One way to learn about the Hela interaction is looking at the discard count, it tells you how many cards have been discarded and are going to be returned with Hela. On the other hand, Morbius does count each discarded interaction, even if Apocalypse is returned to the hand since it was effectively discarded and its effect triggered.
They made the Jublee changes before I understood that on-reveals happen before a card is played. At the time I thought they were making the interactions more intuitive, now I feel like they made them inconsistent.
Another interaction is the removal of Limbo caused a surprise jump in cubes. It’s really unfair to one player.
In the same vein as the shuri interactions that funnily happens IN THE SAME DECK, is how deadpool works with temporary power. Namely, he doesnt. So for example on turn 4 you play to an empty nidavelir a 1 power deadpool and venom, venom will eat the buffed deadpool and gain its at the time 6 power, but when deadpool returns to your hand it ignores the buff and doubles the rest of the power (1) to become just 2 power.
(Also the discarded pool feels like a direct response to the criticism of how reviving destroyed cards works in hearthstone)