As an owner of both pens, I can say although I really like my 2K, I use the CP-1 more often. A tip for those who don't like the thinness of the CP-1, I recommend the Lamy Accent as an alternative. It has a slightly larger diameter while still looking similar to the CP-1.
Most of the fountain pen issues faced by users were mostly sorted by the time the Lamy 2000 was introduced to the market. However, the Bauhaus design features that made the Lamy 2000 and the CP1, has allowed the pens to remain appealing to users and profitable to Lamy to this day. There's not enough kudos given to Gerd A Mueller for his foresight.
I'm not a big fan of most Lamy pens as I don't like the ergonomics however, I love the CP1. I have 2 black ones and an older stainless steel one. The simple design is perfect.
I am curious, is your older stainless one the same diameter and nib design as the current design, or is it the older design which is slimmer and uses the original narrower nib, feed, and converter? I have both, and the original slimmer design makes that one a vastly different writing experience by how slim it is.
@@ForTheLoveOfPens Hi - yes it is the same one now, but until about 1983 the CP1 was a narrower design with a narrower feed and nib. In about '83 the CP1 was redesigned to have a larger diameter and adopted the Safari nib and feed. I have two original narrower models (called the 50) and two current models, a black (56) and a platinum (53) They're all great pens!
Many years ago I had the 2000 with the EF nib. It was too broad for my taste. I understand that the nib has been modified since I had this pen. Is that true? Is there a sweet spot with writing with the 2000? While I like the CP1, it is a bit thin for my hand and would prefer the girth of the 2000, hence the questions.
I linked a video I made on the 2000. It does write about 1 size thicker than advertised. There is a slight sweet spot but it’s only a big deal if you tend to rotate the pen as you write.
I love that sleek modernist design of these pens. I thought Yama Dori means mountain road, but seems like it means “collecting plants in the mountains.” That explains the colors. In Japan people treasure wild mountain vegetables. Nice contrast with the dark modern pen :). Cheers.
@@FarIce-m4k no cap seals perfectly. But in my experience this one seals very well. I’ve had mine go several months without hard starting, and with very little drop in ink level.
3:56 Actually, the feed can be removed, it's just a little bit hard, but it's possible with tape. I don't know if it's only possible in the older versions like the one I have (Metallic from 1988)
The contrary a light and thin pen is ideal for long writing sections. If you are having problems your pen grip is wrong. In terms of writing instrument CP 1 is quite superior than 2000; logically with the correct pen grip.
@@ForTheLoveOfPens , What you said is quite true for regular writing. But, there is a science of writing with technics developed for fast, easy and tireless writing. Spencerian, Palmer, Zanerian, Champion and other methods are just about it. Any of these prescribe a wide body pen, on contrary. The problem is that people normally were not teached the art of the thing but naturally developed by themselves a form of using the tool, sometimes this process was better done and sometimes worselly. Still, there are the good technic.
@@lpanades you bring up a very good point. Most of my opinions are based on using pens for note taking and casual journaling. I have dabbled a little in calligraphy, but I haven’t ventured far down that rabbit hole (yet)
@@ForTheLoveOfPens , calligraphy is writing with modern meaning of artistic finality, to get a beauty result. So callligraphy generally draw the letters. Penmanship is another animal. Penmanship is a practical way for fast beautiful writing with little effort, it is a technic. Wide pens are not suitable for good penmanship in the better sense of the word. You can't write long and fast sessions with a wide body pen without fatigate yourself. Normally those that prefer wide body pens are finger writers, they write with strong support of finger movement. There are no problem about it. But, you will fatigue faster. This is why, perhaps, in most of manuals the masters said that there are not exactly the write way of doing this or that: is more a way that works for you and don't. Even saying that, all of them enforce that there is a technic that will improove your results with fast, beauty and effortless writing.
As an owner of both pens, I can say although I really like my 2K, I use the CP-1 more often. A tip for those who don't like the thinness of the CP-1, I recommend the Lamy Accent as an alternative. It has a slightly larger diameter while still looking similar to the CP-1.
Do you tend to reach for it because of the grip?
@@ForTheLoveOfPens I gravitate towards larger diameter pens but I have a 1.1mm nib on the CP1 and it is one of my favorite Lamy nibs.
Most of the fountain pen issues faced by users were mostly sorted by the time the Lamy 2000 was introduced to the market. However, the Bauhaus design features that made the Lamy 2000 and the CP1, has allowed the pens to remain appealing to users and profitable to Lamy to this day. There's not enough kudos given to Gerd A Mueller for his foresight.
Not perfect pens, but the designs have certainly passed the test of time
I'm not a big fan of most Lamy pens as I don't like the ergonomics however, I love the CP1. I have 2 black ones and an older stainless steel one. The simple design is perfect.
I tend to prefer this more
minimalist and slim design too
I am curious, is your older stainless one the same diameter and nib design as the current design, or is it the older design which is slimmer and uses the original narrower nib, feed, and converter? I have both, and the original slimmer design makes that one a vastly different writing experience by how slim it is.
@@markritchie7059 for what I can tell the CP1 uses the same nib that’s common to many other Lamy fountain pens, such as the Safari.
@@ForTheLoveOfPens Hi - yes it is the same one now, but until about 1983 the CP1 was a narrower design with a narrower feed and nib. In about '83 the CP1 was redesigned to have a larger diameter and adopted the Safari nib and feed. I have two original narrower models (called the 50) and two current models, a black (56) and a platinum (53) They're all great pens!
Many years ago I had the 2000 with the EF nib. It was too broad for my taste. I understand that the nib has been modified since I had this pen. Is that true? Is there a sweet spot with writing with the 2000?
While I like the CP1, it is a bit thin for my hand and would prefer the girth of the 2000, hence the questions.
I linked a video I made on the 2000. It does write about 1 size thicker than advertised. There is a slight sweet spot but it’s only a big deal if you tend to rotate the pen as you write.
@@ForTheLoveOfPens unfortunately I do roll the nib. Thanks for the information and reply.
@@paulmchugh1430 if you really love the form factor of the 2000 and are ok sacrificing quality, you may want to consider the Jinhao 80
@@ForTheLoveOfPens thanks. It does have the appearance of a 2000. But I don't think Jinhao makes a piston filler.
@@paulmchugh1430 I don’t believe they do
I love that sleek modernist design of these pens. I thought Yama Dori means mountain road, but seems like it means “collecting plants in the mountains.” That explains the colors. In Japan people treasure wild mountain vegetables. Nice contrast with the dark modern pen :). Cheers.
@@AndrewWertheimer thanks! This has become my favorite pairing on the Lamy 2000
@@ForTheLoveOfPens it’s nice to have such a good pairing. Fountain pen ink sommelier 🍷🍶🖋️
I am thinking to buy this pen as I am seeking an alternative to a Fineliner. Does the ink dry out even if it is capped?
@@FarIce-m4k no cap seals perfectly. But in my experience this one seals very well. I’ve had mine go several months without hard starting, and with very little drop in ink level.
3:56
Actually, the feed can be removed, it's just a little bit hard, but it's possible with tape.
I don't know if it's only possible in the older versions like the one I have (Metallic from 1988)
@@yuyoyuyazo9306 I was able to remove it on an older version as well, but for some reason I couldn’t get this modern one to budge.
Looks like it have thin grip. Thinner than most of fountain pens? Than classic Kaweco Sport?
My fingers kinda tired of thick grips.
It is on the thin side. According to Gouletpens.com - CP1 grip section is ~1mm thinner than the Kaweco Sport
If you prefer thin pens then the Lamy CP1 or Kaweco Liliput might be your pen then
The Best of both worlds:
Get a jinhao 80, and put a Lamy Z55 gold nib.
I am a fan of the Jinhao 80, but found the cap doesn’t give you the best seal.
Between the two I prefer the CP1…
Sleek pen, might be better than the L2k on some points
Depending on the use case, I agree
The contrary a light and thin pen is ideal for long writing sections. If you are having problems your pen grip is wrong. In terms of writing instrument CP 1 is quite superior than 2000; logically with the correct pen grip.
Every hand is a bit different, so for some this pen may be perfect
@@ForTheLoveOfPens , What you said is quite true for regular writing. But, there is a science of writing with technics developed for fast, easy and tireless writing. Spencerian, Palmer, Zanerian, Champion and other methods are just about it. Any of these prescribe a wide body pen, on contrary.
The problem is that people normally were not teached the art of the thing but naturally developed by themselves a form of using the tool, sometimes this process was better done and sometimes worselly.
Still, there are the good technic.
@@lpanades you bring up a very good point. Most of my opinions are based on using pens for note taking and casual journaling. I have dabbled a little in calligraphy, but I haven’t ventured far down that rabbit hole (yet)
@@ForTheLoveOfPens , calligraphy is writing with modern meaning of artistic finality, to get a beauty result. So callligraphy generally draw the letters. Penmanship is another animal. Penmanship is a practical way for fast beautiful writing with little effort, it is a technic. Wide pens are not suitable for good penmanship in the better sense of the word. You can't write long and fast sessions with a wide body pen without fatigate yourself. Normally those that prefer wide body pens are finger writers, they write with strong support of finger movement.
There are no problem about it. But, you will fatigue faster. This is why, perhaps, in most of manuals the masters said that there are not exactly the write way of doing this or that: is more a way that works for you and don't.
Even saying that, all of them enforce that there is a technic that will improove your results with fast, beauty and effortless writing.
@@lpanades you may have inspired me to go down a new rabbit hole 🤣