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It is a great product for the price, when I first started looking at streamers I was kind of baffled why there were not simple pass through streamers with no dac that just took the stream and passed it off to a dac, which is what I wanted as I have dacs already. This is basically that with great software and support. No brainer purchase imo.
@@vincedea If you always go through Airplay, my understanding is that you’ll never get to 24 bit, 192 KHz (high res) because Airplay is 16 bit, 44.1 KHz (CD quality) max. According to audio reviewers, better sound can be had with a quality external DAC, but Idk, haven’t tried it.
I think you should spend a little time explaining why someone would want a streamer of any kind vs. just sending music directly from a phone to a BT speaker. I get questions like that all the time.
That's the exact question I was wondering... does it let you stream off older analog equipment, and does it give you access to better quality streaming services that are superior in sound to Spotify?
@@zam200864 So it definitely has to do with sound quality for a lot of people. BT speakers can sound very good! But they aren't the deep stereo experience I'm looking for. I also use headphones the most to listen to music. So I would connect a streamer to my DAC(digital audio converter) to make the sound quality MUCH better. Then run it to my headphone amp to my headphones :) another thing too is that all headphones/earbuds have OhMs, that's how much power they need to run properly. So if I were to put one of my higher ohm headphones into my phone I'd hear almost nothing even with the volume all the way up. My phone doesn't have enough power, so that's why I use a headphone amp, it amplifies the power. But if you're using let's say the earbuds that came with iPhones you could easily use those anywhere. Matter a fact the ohm usage is so low that if I plugged them into my headphone amp, a slight turn of the volume knob would make my ears hurt by how loud they would get. Hope thats helpful at least some
I personally don’t think dumping a lot of money into any internet connected device is smart… why buy something with amazing build quality, that’ll last 25 years when the technology inside will probably be outdated / obsolete in 5-10 years. WiiM does what it needs to without clearing out the bank. Why I also bought a “dumb” amp. I don’t want features that’ll be useless halfway through the life of it. Can always change out the smart devices as needed.
@@cheapaudioman great job from them, but as I mentioned in another comment… what it would be great is to get Google Cast compatibility in order to be compatible with Plex, Google Assistant and another systems.
Wiim has recently released the Wiim Pro for $180. About double the price of the Wiim Mini (without discounts). At first, the Wiim Pro doesn't look like a good deal compared to the Mini. You get an Ethernet port (together with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth), and an RCA out, compared to an AUX port on the Mini. Though, I don't see anyone using the internal DAC, to be honest. However, the Pro supports *Chromecast Audio* and is currently in the licensing testing for *roon ready*, expected to become roon ready in the next 1-3 months. If you would only use the Digital output on a Bluesound Node, then the new Wiim Pro seems to be a much better value proposition, at ~$420 less.
I picked this up on Randy’s recommendation quiet a while back. I’m a vinyl guy but needed a streamer to preview albums I was considering. Now I actually like this thing. I run it through my Denafrip Ares II and into my Schitt SYS and into my Dynaco ST35. It sounds really good and couple that with the 9 band EQ. Wow!
Hi Randy.... Thanks for your reviews... My signal chain now consists of true Wiim Mini (I call it the Puck) - - The Schitt Modi---Denon PMA 600 NE - - Wharfedale 12.2s...checked our your reviews on all of them before I bought them... The wiim and the Modi were definitely a welcome addition lending more convenience and body to the music respectively... Thanks a ton... Love from India
I bought 2 Wiim Mini Streamers. I like them so far very much - will probably add 2 more, they replace my old 1srt gen Sonos connect devices....the Wiims add airplay2 (my wife likes this a lot), add bluetooth. I agree, the App runs smoothly has an intuitive GUI, all good. Spotify Connect runs flawless. ...And I would say, very subjectively, the included DAC is actually decent enough for a little "second / third tier" system e.g. in the kitchen, home office or so on. I run one of my Wiims directly with some old Adam Audio Artist active-speakers using the Wiim's DAC, and this system sounds richter and fuller than a Sonos One speaker, nice songs are still nice, so the Wiim included DAC is good enough for the 2nd or 3rd system in your living space, for me personally at least. 🙂
Great review. I'll lend my additional vote of support and praise for the Wiim Mini. As you stated, I'm also hoping for a Gen2 hardware release. My desires in order of preference for a Gen2 would be: Ethernet port Subwoofer out/ High-pass filter The reason I haven't swapped completely to the Wiim platform is the lack of ethernet port, which is available on the Arylic streamer. Being with you in the category of an early adopter to dedicated streaming devices, I find in that discussion, many people, including self-proclaimed audio enthusiasts still don't fully understand the difference between audio signal feeding through streamer, with phone as remote only vs audio signal through phone, and transmitting from phone via Bluetooth or cable. The increased convenience and connectivity of the streamer is significant. I think your voice and influence is converting more users to those benefits. Keep up the good fight
I'm very happy with mine and with the fact it keeps getting better! 😀 Since they're strong on the software front, I'd really like it if it had windows dedicated software so I could run it from my pc.
👍It will be fun to see just how much further they will push the firmware and WiiM Home app SW down the road. The last update finally convinced me to buy one! Thinking about buying more for gifting or backup purposes..🤔👨🏻
I bought one of these on your recommendation several weeks ago. It was pretty awesome then, but they have been updating it like crazy ever since. One of the best money spent in stereo equipment I’ve made.
Now THIS is what I needed to hear today. No pun intended. Most audio companies just push out more and more expensive gear, as tbough price always makes it better. Not for this guy, trying to pay for a home in this market.
I bought one of these last week for $79 which came in a sealed box with all the cables and the 5V, 1A brick. Great little device. I’m cheap so I was using my old iPhone 6s DAC to do free services through a stereo, but the old phone was crapping out. The WiiM Hone app works, setup is easy, and the EQ and other sound settings are really flexible. The firmware update was 8/26/22. This is much more convenient than using the old phone and sounds significantly better. I did have to drop the default from 2VRMS to 1VRMS. The app will tell you in the setup if the wifi signal is sufficient for proper operation. I don’t have any problem with noise and the internal DAC isn’t as bad as Randy makes it sound. You have to be using a fairly expensive stereo for it to be insufficient or noticeable. For free Spotify, Pandora, TH-cam, etc. it’s good enough.
Anyone know if the new WIIM update for Tidal bypasses MQA to get to above 44.1/ 16 bit? Trying to figure if it's giving me higher resolution than my roku tvs tidal app. Much love from san antonio Randy!
Hey Randy! Over the past year you have been indispensable in building my system. There is only one piece I don't think you've reviewed. It goes from the Wiim to the Geshelli J2, to Rotel A11 Tribute. Then through home made 12g speaker wires to Warfdale Evo 4.1s. The only piece not reviewed by you is the Polk PSW 10 sub. BTW I didn't buy blindly from your reviews alone. I bought a bunch of stuff and ended up here. Thanks
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Got mine running into a CHORD MOJO then onto my DENON AV amp. Also use the MOJO as a DAC for my Audiolab 6000 CD transport. Wii mini is the best upgrade I have made to my MOJO 🙂
Just Wow Randy!...I have sincerely enjoyed watching your many shows. I have made several purchases due to your recommendations including now this streamer. You are my go to guy for audio advice AND entertainment!!! Keep on keeping on....Peace out man✌️
Just bought a WiiM Mini and absolutely LOVE it. This is a giant Blue Sound Node killer at $84 (on Amazon with $5 promo coupon) vs. $599 (before tax). You definitely nailed the review. However, I disagree with one point..I think the WiiM DAC sounds great and good enough for my needs on very good UK made vintage equipment. It's the perfect non-audiophile product for those with kit that is "not smart." I just read an interesting quote in a recent issue of Stereophile. I'll paraphrase...."the less you critically listen, the more enjoyment you'll get out of the music." I could not agree more for most music lovers / music first audiophiles. Keep up the great work!!!
got one of these bad boys on your recommendation. Got it connected to a Fosi DAC (via optical) which I use to pump the sounds into me Beyerdynamic 770 Pro cans. Absolutely great bit of kit, gonna get another for upstairs. Upgraded my Tidal subscription to max so I can get that sweet sweet hi res audio. The WiiM app is great too, got the bass increased a bit via the eq
Absolutely the Wiim-Mini is a great product and certainly worth the $89 I paid for it. My only request would be a Ethernet port. (Maybe in the Wiim-Mini Mk.II). I was always frustrated using the 'HEOS' built into my Denon AVR with Amazon music. It worked, but was very clunky and not intuitive or without glitches (couldn't get playlist settup to function ??). Now, the Wiim-Mini plays much nicer with Amazon, but I would still like a more comprehensive music recommendation A.I. , but that is most Certainly on Amazon's end of things...? C'mon Amazon just buy Spotify already so we get the Spotify experience with Better sound quality!! (For those holding your breath waiting for Spotify HD....good luck😴).
I second your idea to purchase Spotify for the user experience. I really miss the recommendation algorithm that Spotify has vs. the lack-luster one from Amazon. I put up with it only because of the HD sound from Amazon.
Can someone explain to me why I would need an external DAC in ADDITION to the Wiim mini. I mean, ummm isn't the Wiim mini a , you know, DAC???? This is so frustrating...
Agreed 100 percent about the software. These guys know what they are doing, and they clearly care! It helps that LinkPlay is a software company first. That helps.
Audio noobie here. Quick question for the people who understand HIFI setups. I was gifted a set of Omni Audio towers (Model AE 88.2, min power 15w RMS, max power 200 watts), and a SONY amplifier (model STR-GX5ES). The amp does not have a digital port. I have now ordered the WIIM mini, which should arrive tomorrow. However, after seeing this video I am concerned that the quality of the sound will not be great, as I was planning to connect the Mini to my Amp using the 3.5mm jack to RCA cable. Can someone give me advice? Is this the right way to do it, or should I do it in a different way?
So I've got a Samsung smart tv with the Amazon Music app connected to a 100w amp and vintage Bowers and wilkins Dm1600 speakers. Will this gadget get me any better sound quality with my 78 year old ears
What’s the audio quality of the aux out? I usually send music to my bluetooth speakers from my iPad Pro. I’d like to improve the resolution of my music using this. I could plug this into my bluetooth speakers using the 3.5mm output and stream music to it from my iPad Pro using Airplay 2. I don’t want to buy a DAC and use spdif. Is it going to sound better than currently using AAC bluetooth?
how to connect wiim mini with yamaha stereo RN803 to play High res Lossless? I tried using apple Hires lossless but it only stream 44KHZ. I tried tidaal Master in wiim mini connecting via optical to stereo Out but it still stream 48khz. How can I hear 192Khz with wiim mini in stereo Yamaha? I have High res lossless in apple music but how to get those into stereo?
Going against the grain here, but this is terrible. It got a weak wifi signal no matter how close it was to the router, would freeze up during playback, and even drop BT from time to time. I sent it back and got a replacement, thinking maybe it was just a bad unit. Nope, same issues. Tried moving locations a bit, tried the app via iOs and Android, used only the remote, it didn't matter. Amazon buries bad reviews but if you read them they almost all list the stuff I ran into. So what gives? Anyway, guess I will just use a cheap BT adapter through the DAC and hope a company makes a sub 200 dollar streamer that works as it should. Anyway, love the channel.
If I spdif out to a DAC, then DAC to amp, will I get all the low frequencies for a subwoofer? Or does the Wiim cut out that bass range completely? Or is it just if you are using the Wiim DAC straight to amp that the subwoofer frequencies are not present? I was a bit confused by what you were saying there. Thanks.
Agree, the DAC on the Echo Dots is not good… But they work well as a *Source* using Bluetooth only if you do have a Good DAC on your system. Sorry to insist but you must listen to JDS Labs Atom DAC Plus ($109 USD), it only has USB & Optical inputs but that is enough to connect to a WiiM Mini
I don't get the Schitt Modi DAC addition. Wouldn't the WIIM limit it's out put to or from the Schitt? Seems like the lesser would be the bottleneck--unless I don't undertand the operation--so help please.
I have two WiiMs. I agree on the value proposition. I use the 2nd WiiM in a bedroom system that is a semi-loft over the main floor. The main system is on the main floor. One of the unexpected benefits, I found accidentally. Playing together in sync, the two systems create a more immersive music experience throughout the house. I know, I know, it is more psychoacoustically good than purist good. But it lends a real, spatial feel to music that one system playing louder can't accomplish. And since the systems are far apart, I don't hear 'comb' filtering at all. My ears love it. Yours may not, I suppose. Eat cake. ;) Of course, this might not work at all in a non-open floor plan home. But I swear my house sounds a little more like a concert hall than before. I plan to buy a third WiiM to connect to an outdoor system for music on the decks. But that will have to wait until next spring... And I have heard that WiiM plans a 'Mini Airplay Pro' or such, later this year. Let's hope it has a USB digital input for my computer and a better DAC for those who don't have an amplifier optical input. Bluesound Node, you have been disrupted.
I would like to wirelessly stream iPhone Music locally stored files to a paired of amplified portable speakers that do not have optical inputs. The connection would be wired from the 3.5mm on the Wiim to the pair of amplified speakers. The connection from the iPhone to the Wiim would use the wireless Airplay, which I understand is better quality than using Bluetooth. Is the Wiim a practical way to wirelessly use Airplay to connect to the analog amplified portable speakers? Or, is there a better device that would allow me to wirelessly connect with AirPlay to the portable amplified speakers?
Just thought I'd update you Randy. Purchased it yesterday after seeing your review, setup today, which was so easy . Listening to Amazon Ultra HD with no dramas, using it as transport (optical out) into my Audiolab amp. Connected it to my JBL Change 4 (power source via USB cable) and over the moon. For £89, what's not to like. Now subbed, keep up the great work. Looking forward to their pro version with quad core CPU more ram and additional inputs.👍 Cheers
Just bought one and can’t get this to work. Have to hooked up to my optical cable going to my den and receiver. But cannot get any output of sound. What the hell am I doing wrong? This is such an easy set up. I must be dumber than most. Help!!
Help. My iphone 11 doesn't have a lossless music setting. If I use the Wiim app from this iphone 11 to stream Amazon music via wifi am I getting lossless music?
This may get me to upgrade from my Chromecast Audio. Is the main benefit tidal connect for gapless playback and higher bitrate (I presume)? I generally just use the tidal app and Chromecast, but I'm considering getting Roon, too.
I bought one of these a while ago and use a Modi 3 DAC. So easy to use and it sounds great with my Cambridge Audio integrated and Wharfedale speakers. No reason to spend a ton of money on a streamer!
I’m looking to connect a turntable with a external pre-amp to a device that does airplay 2 and then be able to connect to my apple HomePod mini’s to play the audio .. will this device accomplish that ?
If the DAC for the 1/8" output is terrible then the optical connection is likely to be even worse. That means this streamer is useless for any decent hifi experience.
“thee best”??? It is a clusterf. Must “set it up” every time I use it. Still isn’t running smoothly. I would love to see a unit that isn’t thee best. Thee best pain in the ass, maybe.
Great review, Randy. I have been looking for the next Google Chromecast Audio … I think I have found it thanks to your review. Quick question in the 10 band EQ … is that considered DSP? Or is DSP a specific thing that can only be called DSP if it comes from the digital region of France?
My home office system had a iPad hooked to a Modi3. Was tossing around getting another Node. Not really concerned with the SQ, but more for the convenience of BuLuOS. Grabbed one of these to try. Hooked it to the Modi3. Very happy! The SQ difference from RCA out even at background levels is noticeable. Definitely recommend an external DAC.. also tried it on a my old $15 Prozor DAC with good success. Works great with Tidal Connect or XM on AirPlay. Latest update added Radio Paradise.
Okay, I bit. Thanks Randy! Stunned how improved the audio stream sounds via optical out from wiim to my JNOG2 DAC. Using Spotify. Thank you again. Dude so sweet.
It’s a great product period. Received mine today connected it to my technics SU G 700 m with the optical cable and I’m totally satisfied with the sound. The supplied EQ is a plus. Really surprised.
Totally agree. These are awesome. I have two of them now. The customer service is fantastic as well. A couple weeks ago I was having trouble getting the Wiim to connect through the Tidal app so I submitted a tech support request. I had a reply back from the team in less than ten minutes! On a Saturday night! Crazy good. The issue was related to the Tidal app and android. Quick fix is to uninstall and reinstall the Tidal app.
I love that you champion a truly smooth user experience. Folks on Reddit and on your group urged me to not over-invest beyond a Wiim a few weeks back, and I’m so glad I listened. I love it. Tidal, Qobuz and Amazon Music are all built in now and the new EQ is so fun to fiddle with. Great job!
Just added one of these to my desktop setup for convenience / remove the need for extra cables. It’s amazing for the price. Bit perfect / tiny / quick to connect to. WiiM mini -> RME ADI 2 FS -> Topping PA5 -> Speakers/sub. My ultimate desktop setup. Small, powerful, Flexible and great with headphones too.
I don't know if the experience is different up here in Canada but when I play Amazon Music directly from the unit itself I get 100% gapless playback. When I cast from my phone there is a slight delay. Next big thing will be full tablet display sometime this month. Absolutely love this little device.
The Wiim Mini just flat out works seamlessly with Qobuz, no drop-outs, stuttering, pauses or other distractions, Qobuz on my MacBook Air and headphones is an entirely different animal, glitchy as all hell. I'm so glad I found Randy's channel which led me to the Wiim Mini feeding a Geshelli J2 dac and avoiding spending more then I needed to on a Bluesound node.
I bought this device a few months ago because they advertised that it supports Pandora. It doesn't. When I contacted them they admitted that the advertising was misleading and removed references to Pandora in their advertising. The plastic housing around the optical port broke almost right out of the box. The port still works but the cable slides out at the slightest touch. Their service/support was very responsive to my emails and they gave me the option of getting a whole new device or keeping the damaged unit with a full refund.
well that's good. I have two and luckily I have no issues with the optical ports. but I could see them being a potential weak point. I find that many optical cables are built poorly with very hard plastic that doesn't always seat well.
It would have been the best if it had that optical port sturdier. I broke it's little door with another cable than the one provided and now the cable stays in place pushed by a rubber band.
I've had some very unruly optical cables that were built weird and I've broken optical connections on products much more expensive that the Wiim. But, you are right. I wish it was sturdier.
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just set up a Wiim Mini to a Schiit modi 3 to a NAD amp and then to my 50 year old JBL speakers and it sounds GOOD!
It is a great product for the price, when I first started looking at streamers I was kind of baffled why there were not simple pass through streamers with no dac that just took the stream and passed it off to a dac, which is what I wanted as I have dacs already. This is basically that with great software and support. No brainer purchase imo.
I agree.. If you have
an external DAC that you prefer, but need a streaming device, this is great! 👨🏻
I’m looking to get a separate dac and hook up through optical for streaming through airplay. Will there be a difference in sound?
@@vincedea If you always go through Airplay, my understanding is that you’ll never get to 24 bit, 192 KHz (high res) because Airplay is 16 bit, 44.1 KHz (CD quality) max. According to audio reviewers, better sound can be had with a quality external DAC, but Idk, haven’t tried it.
There was even cheaper chromecast audio. But not anymore unfortunately.
They just started selling it in Australia on Amazon and it's a great deal!
I think you should spend a little time explaining why someone would want a streamer of any kind vs. just sending music directly from a phone to a BT speaker. I get questions like that all the time.
That's the exact question I was wondering... does it let you stream off older analog equipment, and does it give you access to better quality streaming services that are superior in sound to Spotify?
@@zam200864 So it definitely has to do with sound quality for a lot of people. BT speakers can sound very good! But they aren't the deep stereo experience I'm looking for. I also use headphones the most to listen to music. So I would connect a streamer to my DAC(digital audio converter) to make the sound quality MUCH better. Then run it to my headphone amp to my headphones :) another thing too is that all headphones/earbuds have OhMs, that's how much power they need to run properly. So if I were to put one of my higher ohm headphones into my phone I'd hear almost nothing even with the volume all the way up. My phone doesn't have enough power, so that's why I use a headphone amp, it amplifies the power. But if you're using let's say the earbuds that came with iPhones you could easily use those anywhere. Matter a fact the ohm usage is so low that if I plugged them into my headphone amp, a slight turn of the volume knob would make my ears hurt by how loud they would get. Hope thats helpful at least some
@@ZilawinGaming I appreciate the reply and explanations thanks.
Bluetooth audio isn’t ideal sound quality wise.
1. Weaker sound over bt
2. Cant use phone while streaming music over bt
3. Cant stream to multiple devices over bt. I think so but not shure.
I’ve already got a record weight, but I need more. When is Sith Audio going to introduce a weight for my record weight?
I personally don’t think dumping a lot of money into any internet connected device is smart… why buy something with amazing build quality, that’ll last 25 years when the technology inside will probably be outdated / obsolete in 5-10 years. WiiM does what it needs to without clearing out the bank. Why I also bought a “dumb” amp. I don’t want features that’ll be useless halfway through the life of it. Can always change out the smart devices as needed.
Using one of these with a vintage receiver: stupid or genius? Inquiring minds want to know.
As a tone control junkie,the 10 band eq update blew me away as well. Fine folks over at Wiim. Well done. Thanks again on another great video.
yeah. they're crushing with the updates
@@cheapaudioman Did they add those on a whim?
@@cheapaudioman great job from them, but as I mentioned in another comment… what it would be great is to get Google Cast compatibility in order to be compatible with Plex, Google Assistant and another systems.
@@DearSX No they added it on a wiim
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Wiim has recently released the Wiim Pro for $180. About double the price of the Wiim Mini (without discounts). At first, the Wiim Pro doesn't look like a good deal compared to the Mini. You get an Ethernet port (together with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth), and an RCA out, compared to an AUX port on the Mini. Though, I don't see anyone using the internal DAC, to be honest.
However, the Pro supports *Chromecast Audio* and is currently in the licensing testing for *roon ready*, expected to become roon ready in the next 1-3 months.
If you would only use the Digital output on a Bluesound Node, then the new Wiim Pro seems to be a much better value proposition, at ~$420 less.
I picked this up on Randy’s recommendation quiet a while back. I’m a vinyl guy but needed a streamer to preview albums I was considering. Now I actually like this thing. I run it through my Denafrip Ares II and into my Schitt SYS and into my Dynaco ST35. It sounds really good and couple that with the 9 band EQ. Wow!
Hi Randy.... Thanks for your reviews... My signal chain now consists of true Wiim Mini (I call it the Puck) - - The Schitt Modi---Denon PMA 600 NE - - Wharfedale 12.2s...checked our your reviews on all of them before I bought them... The wiim and the Modi were definitely a welcome addition lending more convenience and body to the music respectively... Thanks a ton... Love from India
Very cool!
Nice! Are you happy with the 12.2s? They're on my upgrade list.
Don't understand why you would need this if you own a computer?
I bought 2 Wiim Mini Streamers. I like them so far very much - will probably add 2 more, they replace my old 1srt gen Sonos connect devices....the Wiims add airplay2 (my wife likes this a lot), add bluetooth. I agree, the App runs smoothly has an intuitive GUI, all good. Spotify Connect runs flawless. ...And I would say, very subjectively, the included DAC is actually decent enough for a little "second / third tier" system e.g. in the kitchen, home office or so on. I run one of my Wiims directly with some old Adam Audio Artist active-speakers using the Wiim's DAC, and this system sounds richter and fuller than a Sonos One speaker, nice songs are still nice, so the Wiim included DAC is good enough for the 2nd or 3rd system in your living space, for me personally at least. 🙂
Just fyi, the pro version will be launching in a few months. Might be worth the wait to see what that entails.
Great review. I'll lend my additional vote of support and praise for the Wiim Mini. As you stated, I'm also hoping for a Gen2 hardware release. My desires in order of preference for a Gen2 would be:
Ethernet port
Subwoofer out/ High-pass filter
The reason I haven't swapped completely to the Wiim platform is the lack of ethernet port, which is available on the Arylic streamer.
Being with you in the category of an early adopter to dedicated streaming devices, I find in that discussion, many people, including self-proclaimed audio enthusiasts still don't fully understand the difference between audio signal feeding through streamer, with phone as remote only vs audio signal through phone, and transmitting from phone via Bluetooth or cable. The increased convenience and connectivity of the streamer is significant. I think your voice and influence is converting more users to those benefits.
Keep up the good fight
I am curious, why would you need a sub out on a streamer vs on your amp?
I'm very happy with mine and with the fact it keeps getting better! 😀 Since they're strong on the software front, I'd really like it if it had windows dedicated software so I could run it from my pc.
👍It will be fun to see just how much further they will push the firmware and WiiM Home app SW down the road. The last update finally convinced me to buy one! Thinking about buying more for gifting or backup purposes..🤔👨🏻
Does the term band eq work on the digital output?
I bought one of these on your recommendation several weeks ago. It was pretty awesome then, but they have been updating it like crazy ever since. One of the best money spent in stereo equipment I’ve made.
Now THIS is what I needed to hear today. No pun intended.
Most audio companies just push out more and more expensive gear, as tbough price always makes it better. Not for this guy, trying to pay for a home in this market.
I bought one of these last week for $79 which came in a sealed box with all the cables and the 5V, 1A brick. Great little device. I’m cheap so I was using my old iPhone 6s DAC to do free services through a stereo, but the old phone was crapping out. The WiiM Hone app works, setup is easy, and the EQ and other sound settings are really flexible. The firmware update was 8/26/22. This is much more convenient than using the old phone and sounds significantly better. I did have to drop the default from 2VRMS to 1VRMS. The app will tell you in the setup if the wifi signal is sufficient for proper operation. I don’t have any problem with noise and the internal DAC isn’t as bad as Randy makes it sound. You have to be using a fairly expensive stereo for it to be insufficient or noticeable. For free Spotify, Pandora, TH-cam, etc. it’s good enough.
Chromecast would make it perfect.
Anyone know if the new WIIM update for Tidal bypasses MQA to get to above 44.1/ 16 bit? Trying to figure if it's giving me higher resolution than my roku tvs tidal app.
Much love from san antonio Randy!
Is the WiiM DAC good enough or should I plug the WiiM into a separated DAC like theTopping E30 II?
Hey Randy! Over the past year you have been indispensable in building my system. There is only one piece I don't think you've reviewed. It goes from the Wiim to the Geshelli J2, to Rotel A11 Tribute. Then through home made 12g speaker wires to Warfdale Evo 4.1s. The only piece not reviewed by you is the Polk PSW 10 sub.
BTW I didn't buy blindly from your reviews alone. I bought a bunch of stuff and ended up here.
Thanks
Is it considered "streaming" if I physically plug in one of my older iPhones to my receiver and use internet radio apps?
yes.
Plus it is the ONLY product I know that you can 'cast' to from the Amazon Music app as if it is an Echo speaker...up to 24/192! 👍
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Got mine running into a CHORD MOJO then onto my DENON AV amp. Also use the MOJO as a DAC for my Audiolab 6000 CD transport. Wii mini is the best upgrade I have made to my MOJO 🙂
The Sith Audio weight is only $6,000? It can’t be the audiophile version. Mine cost me almost $11,000, which means my weight sounds far better!
Just Wow Randy!...I have sincerely enjoyed watching your many shows. I have made several purchases due to your recommendations including now this streamer. You are my go to guy for audio advice AND entertainment!!! Keep on keeping on....Peace out man✌️
Cool dude, I mIght hold of for truly gapless amazon music playback.
Just bought a WiiM Mini and absolutely LOVE it. This is a giant Blue Sound Node killer at $84 (on Amazon with $5 promo coupon) vs. $599 (before tax).
You definitely nailed the review. However, I disagree with one point..I think the WiiM DAC sounds great and good enough for my needs on very good UK made vintage equipment. It's the perfect non-audiophile product for those with kit that is "not smart."
I just read an interesting quote in a recent issue of Stereophile. I'll paraphrase...."the less you critically listen, the more enjoyment you'll get out of the music." I could not agree more for most music lovers / music first audiophiles.
Keep up the great work!!!
I think the Modi is up to $130 now
got one of these bad boys on your recommendation. Got it connected to a Fosi DAC (via optical) which I use to pump the sounds into me Beyerdynamic 770 Pro cans. Absolutely great bit of kit, gonna get another for upstairs. Upgraded my Tidal subscription to max so I can get that sweet sweet hi res audio. The WiiM app is great too, got the bass increased a bit via the eq
wow $125 Canadian >:( still interested.
Amazon just delivered my wiim pro plus, WiiiM just announced the WiiM Ultra and WiiM amp pro, dammit..grrr...
Absolutely the Wiim-Mini is a great product and certainly worth the $89 I paid for it. My only request would be a Ethernet port. (Maybe in the Wiim-Mini Mk.II). I was always frustrated using the 'HEOS' built into my Denon AVR with Amazon music. It worked, but was very clunky and not intuitive or without glitches (couldn't get playlist settup to function ??). Now, the Wiim-Mini plays much nicer with Amazon, but I would still like a more comprehensive music recommendation A.I. , but that is most Certainly on Amazon's end of things...? C'mon Amazon just buy Spotify already so we get the Spotify experience with Better sound quality!! (For those holding your breath waiting for Spotify HD....good luck😴).
I second your idea to purchase Spotify for the user experience. I really miss the recommendation algorithm that Spotify has vs. the lack-luster one from Amazon. I put up with it only because of the HD sound from Amazon.
Can someone explain to me why I would need an external DAC in ADDITION to the Wiim mini. I mean, ummm isn't the Wiim mini a , you know, DAC???? This is so frustrating...
Agreed 100 percent about the software. These guys know what they are doing, and they clearly care! It helps that LinkPlay is a software company first. That helps.
Wait, 10 band EQ? !!!
Hey guys. Wiim is back up to 89.00 today, but I found them refurbished on e-bay for 64.00 including shipping.
Audio noobie here. Quick question for the people who understand HIFI setups.
I was gifted a set of Omni Audio towers (Model AE 88.2, min power 15w RMS, max power 200 watts), and a SONY amplifier (model STR-GX5ES). The amp does not have a digital port. I have now ordered the WIIM mini, which should arrive tomorrow. However, after seeing this video I am concerned that the quality of the sound will not be great, as I was planning to connect the Mini to my Amp using the 3.5mm jack to RCA cable.
Can someone give me advice? Is this the right way to do it, or should I do it in a different way?
I am not understanding the WiFi vs Bluetooth. Can I use my home WiFi INSTEAD of Bluetooth with the WiiM to have better sound quality. Thanks.
No, the cheaper Higoing streamer from amazon around 30 English pounds bluetooth 5, hi-res, low Latency, aptx hd, aptx LL, Pair 2 at once.
I run it with Roon via Apple Airplay. Love it. Great video!
So I've got a Samsung smart tv with the Amazon Music app connected to a 100w amp and vintage Bowers and wilkins Dm1600 speakers.
Will this gadget get me any better sound quality with my 78 year old ears
What’s the audio quality of the aux out? I usually send music to my bluetooth speakers from my iPad Pro. I’d like to improve the resolution of my music using this. I could plug this into my bluetooth speakers using the 3.5mm output and stream music to it from my iPad Pro using Airplay 2. I don’t want to buy a DAC and use spdif. Is it going to sound better than currently using AAC bluetooth?
Thank you for your time and efforts to steer us to the right products.
Well, Randy is right again , this hockey puck has made my system sound 100% better. thanks .
how to connect wiim mini with yamaha stereo RN803 to play High res Lossless? I tried using apple Hires lossless but it only stream 44KHZ. I tried tidaal Master in wiim mini connecting via optical to stereo Out but it still stream 48khz. How can I hear 192Khz with wiim mini in stereo Yamaha? I have High res lossless in apple music but how to get those into stereo?
Wiim Pro vs Argon Solo.
Need music streamer with my integrated Amp. Which one to get. Please advice.
Thanks in advance.
Going against the grain here, but this is terrible. It got a weak wifi signal no matter how close it was to the router, would freeze up during playback, and even drop BT from time to time.
I sent it back and got a replacement, thinking maybe it was just a bad unit. Nope, same issues. Tried moving locations a bit, tried the app via iOs and Android, used only the remote, it didn't matter.
Amazon buries bad reviews but if you read them they almost all list the stuff I ran into. So what gives?
Anyway, guess I will just use a cheap BT adapter through the DAC and hope a company makes a sub 200 dollar streamer that works as it should.
Anyway, love the channel.
If I spdif out to a DAC, then DAC to amp, will I get all the low frequencies for a subwoofer? Or does the Wiim cut out that bass range completely? Or is it just if you are using the Wiim DAC straight to amp that the subwoofer frequencies are not present? I was a bit confused by what you were saying there. Thanks.
Agree, the DAC on the Echo Dots is not good… But they work well as a *Source* using Bluetooth only if you do have a Good DAC on your system. Sorry to insist but you must listen to JDS Labs Atom DAC Plus ($109 USD), it only has USB & Optical inputs but that is enough to connect to a WiiM Mini
I don't get the Schitt Modi DAC addition. Wouldn't the WIIM limit it's out put to or from the Schitt? Seems like the lesser would be the bottleneck--unless I don't undertand the operation--so help please.
I have two WiiMs. I agree on the value proposition. I use the 2nd WiiM in a bedroom system that is a semi-loft over the main floor. The main system is on the main floor.
One of the unexpected benefits, I found accidentally. Playing together in sync, the two systems create a more immersive music experience throughout the house. I know, I know, it is more psychoacoustically good than purist good. But it lends a real, spatial feel to music that one system playing louder can't accomplish. And since the systems are far apart, I don't hear 'comb' filtering at all. My ears love it. Yours may not, I suppose. Eat cake. ;)
Of course, this might not work at all in a non-open floor plan home. But I swear my house sounds a little more like a concert hall than before.
I plan to buy a third WiiM to connect to an outdoor system for music on the decks. But that will have to wait until next spring...
And I have heard that WiiM plans a 'Mini Airplay Pro' or such, later this year. Let's hope it has a USB digital input for my computer and a better DAC for those who don't have an amplifier optical input.
Bluesound Node, you have been disrupted.
I would like to wirelessly stream iPhone Music locally stored files to a paired of amplified portable speakers that do not have optical inputs. The connection would be wired from the 3.5mm on the Wiim to the pair of amplified speakers. The connection from the iPhone to the Wiim would use the wireless Airplay, which I understand is better quality than using Bluetooth.
Is the Wiim a practical way to wirelessly use Airplay to connect to the analog amplified portable speakers? Or, is there a better device that would allow me to wirelessly connect with AirPlay to the portable amplified speakers?
Why such the volume discrepancy between phone and actual receiver when streaming with cheap streamers like Bludento, Tao, etc.?
Just thought I'd update you Randy.
Purchased it yesterday after seeing your review, setup today, which was so easy .
Listening to Amazon Ultra HD with no dramas, using it as transport (optical out) into my Audiolab amp.
Connected it to my JBL Change 4 (power source via USB cable) and over the moon. For £89, what's not to like.
Now subbed, keep up the great work.
Looking forward to their pro version with quad core CPU more ram and additional inputs.👍
Cheers
Finally found what I knew I needed. I just didn't know what direction to go. Now I do- thanks Randy.
I will be ordering one!
Can't get it to deliver hq, stuck at 41 redbook CD quality. (Using a Mojo2 dac).
Just bought one and can’t get this to work. Have to hooked up to my optical cable going to my den and receiver. But cannot get any output of sound. What the hell am I doing wrong? This is such an easy set up. I must be dumber than most. Help!!
Help. My iphone 11 doesn't have a lossless music setting. If I use the Wiim app from this iphone 11 to stream Amazon music via wifi am I getting lossless music?
I have a zen DAC that only takes usb. What streamer should I get since this doesn’t support usb.
This may get me to upgrade from my Chromecast Audio. Is the main benefit tidal connect for gapless playback and higher bitrate (I presume)? I generally just use the tidal app and Chromecast, but I'm considering getting Roon, too.
I bought one of these a while ago and use a Modi 3 DAC. So easy to use and it sounds great with my Cambridge Audio integrated and Wharfedale speakers. No reason to spend a ton of money on a streamer!
I’m looking to connect a turntable with a external pre-amp to a device that does airplay 2 and then be able to connect to my apple HomePod mini’s to play the audio .. will this device accomplish that ?
If the DAC for the 1/8" output is terrible then the optical connection is likely to be even worse. That means this streamer is useless for any decent hifi experience.
Hockey pucks for weight. - signed by a Canuck
WIIM Min does not transmit, it only receives.
You need the WIIM Pro or the WIIM Pro+ to transmit.
Can you playback digital files from a flash drive or a SanDisk sd card using the Wiim?
“thee best”??? It is a clusterf. Must “set it up” every time I use it. Still isn’t running smoothly. I would love to see a unit that isn’t thee best. Thee best pain in the ass, maybe.
I'm getting mine tomorrow. do I need a new/better toslink cable? or can I use the one out of the box for perfect sound quality?
Great review, Randy. I have been looking for the next Google Chromecast Audio … I think I have found it thanks to your review.
Quick question in the 10 band EQ … is that considered DSP? Or is DSP a specific thing that can only be called DSP if it comes from the digital region of France?
My home office system had a iPad hooked to a Modi3. Was tossing around getting another Node. Not really concerned with the SQ, but more for the convenience of BuLuOS. Grabbed one of these to try. Hooked it to the Modi3. Very happy! The SQ difference from RCA out even at background levels is noticeable. Definitely recommend an external DAC.. also tried it on a my old $15 Prozor DAC with good success. Works great with Tidal Connect or XM on AirPlay. Latest update added Radio Paradise.
Okay, I bit. Thanks Randy! Stunned how improved the audio stream sounds via optical out from wiim to my JNOG2 DAC. Using Spotify. Thank you again. Dude so sweet.
With the money saved , you could afford a new iron :)
Are you suggesting I send the signal from the Wiim to a Modi3+ then to my amplifier?
How do you use this to stream into a vintage 70’s Sansui receiver? Is this device a good choice ? Thanks !
I just bought a steel cylinder that weighs 1.5# and drilled a hole into it and it cost me $3.
Absolutely agree with you on the software aspect being the most important.
It’s a great product period. Received mine today connected it to my technics SU G 700 m with the optical cable and I’m totally satisfied with the sound. The supplied EQ is a plus. Really surprised.
Totally agree. These are awesome. I have two of them now.
The customer service is fantastic as well. A couple weeks ago I was having trouble getting the Wiim to connect through the Tidal app so I submitted a tech support request. I had a reply back from the team in less than ten minutes! On a Saturday night! Crazy good.
The issue was related to the Tidal app and android. Quick fix is to uninstall and reinstall the Tidal app.
Sono's music streaming software had a shitty user experience for me.
hp + dac+ power amp vs wiim mini+dac+power amp= whose wins the best sounds?
I love that you champion a truly smooth user experience. Folks on Reddit and on your group urged me to not over-invest beyond a Wiim a few weeks back, and I’m so glad I listened. I love it. Tidal, Qobuz and Amazon Music are all built in now and the new EQ is so fun to fiddle with. Great job!
Just added one of these to my desktop setup for convenience / remove the need for extra cables. It’s amazing for the price. Bit perfect / tiny / quick to connect to.
WiiM mini -> RME ADI 2 FS -> Topping PA5 -> Speakers/sub.
My ultimate desktop setup. Small, powerful, Flexible and great with headphones too.
Sponsoring ALWAYS affects reviews.
I don't know if the experience is different up here in Canada but when I play Amazon Music directly from the unit itself I get 100% gapless playback. When I cast from my phone there is a slight delay. Next big thing will be full tablet display sometime this month. Absolutely love this little device.
Is the quality of the Bluetooth audio through this superior to other Bluetooth interfaces?
Can I buy several of these and merge my multi zones in the house as one big sound system like sonos? Does it also have Chromecast stream capability?
Beginner here, can someone tell me why this is better than just casting Spotify to Google Chromecast?
Great review and device👍 they should make a higher tier, wiim with usb out...
The Wiim Mini just flat out works seamlessly with Qobuz, no drop-outs, stuttering, pauses or other distractions, Qobuz on my MacBook Air and headphones is an entirely different animal, glitchy as all hell. I'm so glad I found Randy's channel which led me to the Wiim Mini feeding a Geshelli J2 dac and avoiding spending more then I needed to on a Bluesound node.
Anyone running a wiim on battery? What battery pack do you use?
do you know if usb audio player pro app will cast/stream to this device?
mine won't play certain songs, ever had that problem?
I bought this device a few months ago because they advertised that it supports Pandora. It doesn't. When I contacted them they admitted that the advertising was misleading and removed references to Pandora in their advertising. The plastic housing around the optical port broke almost right out of the box. The port still works but the cable slides out at the slightest touch. Their service/support was very responsive to my emails and they gave me the option of getting a whole new device or keeping the damaged unit with a full refund.
well that's good. I have two and luckily I have no issues with the optical ports. but I could see them being a potential weak point. I find that many optical cables are built poorly with very hard plastic that doesn't always seat well.
10 band eq!!!? Game changer! Thanks for the info man!:)
It would have been the best if it had that optical port sturdier. I broke it's little door with another cable than the one provided and now the cable stays in place pushed by a rubber band.
I've had some very unruly optical cables that were built weird and I've broken optical connections on products much more expensive that the Wiim. But, you are right. I wish it was sturdier.
In the UK we call that 'ham fisted'... 🙄
Shall i replace my opticalRENDU with this? :P