From body positivity to big back (The cultural shift)
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- Hello, welcome or welcome back to my channel. In today’s video, I will be talking about the social, cultural and Internet shift from people embracing body positivity to now making fun of diverse bodies. The big back trend on TikTok is one of the many reasons which made me realize there was such a negative shift. Of course, there are other reasons like the fashion industry, and the rise of Pilates, which I will discuss in this video in detail.
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@@owusuacofie aww ❤️😭🫶
“I’m getting tired of inclusivity!” Girl do people in wheelchairs just not get to have bras and underwear’s or what 💀
@@sleepiiei she’s part of the people who think that anyone who is different should just be hidden away, and never seen
@@babygirlt8938 Yeah which it boggles my mind that people like that exist. Maybe my parents just did a good job with teaching this but it’s something I’ve never cared about so it genuinely shocked me growing up how some people can even think about disabled people like that. To me the disabled community have always been the same as anyone else, just obviously disabled. I don’t know man it just is crazy to me lol.
Are we really surprised? She's the kind of person that approves of terrorist attacks as long as they target queer people or queer children.
And it was adaptive! It was literally MADE for disabled people, it said so in the PRODUCT NAME, is she unable to read???
Candace is right like 10% of the time she juste trying to be different and it’s cringe af
😭that guy who was complaining about the fat guy wearing cool fits, the fuck is he supposed to do, not wear clothes??
😂😂 I think he just wants him to hide away at home
Yeah, how dare a fat guy feel good about his clothes.
I guess fat people have to wear trash bags. It’s like they think if you give them nice clothes they’ll be too confident. People hate confident fat people.
He was really just jealous that my boy had that ON and he looked great af
it's too bad because he looked quite fashionable, like if I saw him I would think "hey, that guy looks pretty good"
Most guys never try that hard lol
Saying fashionmaxxing and gymmaxxing unironically has to be the most embarrassing thing.
More like rudemaxxing
As someone who has seen the gym community I would like to say that we don’t care when fat people go to the gym and start grindmaxxing. The issue is when people discourage others from going to the gym by being hostile to gym culture or those getting into it, by rudemaxxers.
Candace Owens: I’m SO TIRED of this inclusivity thing!
YOU MEAN WHEELCHAIR USERS WEARING CLOTHES????😭😭
Right?!
As a girl who grew up overfed obese with mixed blotchy skin and hygenically neglected I'm thankful social media didn't exist yet. I don't think we're meant to be this exposed to the world all the time.
True, the level of overexposure and 24/7 access to social media can be detrimental when you’re growing up or just trying to figure yourself out, it’s gonna be hard for kids nowadays because this is all they know
More like a facsimile of the world. Every time I go outside and actually experience the world I realize how absolutely distorted social media is. So now I only have a work Instagram and try to go out as much as possible (coming from a former cave dwelling shut in)
What does “hygenically neglected” mean exactly? Cause ppl can still smell you irl so I’m a lil confused
@@destroyadoraig parents didnt really bathe them
@destroyadora I think she probably meant her parents neglected teaching her about hygiene. They're supposed to teach you the right way to bathe, the right way to wash your hair, how to brush your teeth, and how often to do all those things. But some parents don't teach their kids those things, either out of the belief that they'll just figure it out on their own or simply because they can't be bothered. This can lead to several consequences later down the line, from health issues to social issues.
I miss the early days of the body positivity movement when it was about body scars, burns, amputees, etc. I found it after I had gotten a spinal fusion where I had my whole back cut open. I was scared I was gonna be ugly having a long scar going down my whole back. The body positive movement helped me be proud of my scar and not hide it from the world. I don't know why it got co-opted into only being about weight.
Thanks for sharing your story, it’s just a reminder how body positivity can be so positivity impactful and I’m glad it helped you when you needed it the most 😊❤️ Why it became mainly about weight? That’s a looong answer but I think more people need to be reminded of its intended purpose to change the public perception
Exactly! There are some body traits we can't help, we should not be ridiculed for that. *Obesity* does NOT fall into that category.
@@MK-hh1vo ummm the body positivity got its inspiration from the fat acceptance movement m so what are you talking about?
@@MK-hh1vo what are you on about
there's a lot of racism in it too. i keep seeing woc trying to be proud of their ethnic features, especially hairiness, and a bunch of people will flood to the comments to talk about how they're not being body positive they're just disgusting for not shaving or being hairy and "trying to normalize it".
I think that skinny was never out, plus size were just periodically in, people might staet turning to skinny as the default or safety net even those who cant maintain which might lead to more inceeases in unhealthily weight loss methods. Some might even turn to eating disorders like anorexia to keep the weight off
@@justastaythatwillnotbename2990 yeah, skinny was never out because there are people who are skinny but this new “trend” could do some serious damage to a lot of people
@@babygirlt8938being fat create more damage to society than skinny trends. Looks at the statistics, how many fat influencers die lately.
completely agree, and to add, overconsumption is never attractive
You can't "turn to anorexia" cos it's a mental disorder. You either have it or you don't. People might start starving themselves which isn't anorexia. Please stop using conditions that you don't understand to make a point.
Honestly while this is a valid concern,,, isnt it more concering how the world population grows more obese and more sedentary every year?? Thats arguably much worse of a problem and just as unhealthy as what this comment is discussing but its not talked about…
i’ve noticed this shift over the past few years on social media. i thought i was tripping, but turns out i was right about body shaming becoming more popular. why can’t we just let people exist. this is sad
Yeah, it’s a slow but steady shift and it’s here to stay
It honestly never stopped, people just stopped saying “your fat ew!!” and went to “ooh…. You look really good 🤢🤮”
Tiktok and kpop worshipping brought it back. China's social media body standards and the A4 challenge really cemented to me that in 2019 skinny would come back as the idealized body..again. 😐
I knew when tiktok got popular that the skinny petite body was gonna be back in. The most followed girl on tiktok was only like...what 16? . Young women and older girls tend to have a different phsyique .
Why was that chick so pressed about wheelchair user representation??? Like, ew. What a shitty take to have.
I loved that kim showed a wheelchair user in her ads. Im not going to purchase from her, but as an ambulatory wheelchair user myself it felt like a great syep towards the normalization of representing disabilities.
And if she didn’t mention it, I wouldn’t have noticed. The ad just looked normal to me, and like she herself said, it’s underwear, who cares that there’s a wide range of bodies?
Srsly like does Candace not think wheel chair users wear underwear??
Sometimes I wonder how much of what Candace Owens says is rage bait... I'm surprised she didn't say it was "glorifying/promoting disability" lol
@@miik7064the part that annoyed me was “oh, we have to have a girl who broke her leg and is in a wheelchair” like that’s ONE reason a person might need one, and that’s usually temporary, that’s a terrible example
@jaxr.s.4647 Its not rage bait shes just a disgusting and mean spirited person
I don’t think skinny ever left, being skinny is the default ideal body type.
@@fairygodmother139 I wonder if bodies will ever stop going in and out of trend like fashion
I'd say being mildly skinny is. Anything under the ideal you could see in a biology book also got hated for a long time even during the kate moss era. The amount of people making fun of her (mostly men) at the time was much larger than people who actually held her up as a beauty standard. I don't think I've ever seen a very skinny woman that hasn't been victim to some kind of conspiring/shaming on their eating habits and health.
@@mjrhmeksshwell nobody like starving looking people like it’s natural
Some ppl are naturally like thar @@baddestxoxo2love767
well! it is? being obese is actually unhealthy? what? 😅
Its really scary how this shift back to heroin chic and skinny is happening at the same time as the us country’s shift back into conservative times. Like its so depressing watching the world go backwards after all that hard work and progress just to get crumbs and get those crumbs snatched away. Like It sucks to be a woman right now. Lost abortion rights. ED and skinny bodies are right back to being stuffed down our throats. I just started feeling comfortable in my own skin, let me breathe for a minute please 😭
Scary times right now, every progression is met with two steps back
@@marajones1828 I don't think heroin chic is coming back. Those models literally used to look like they were living in the streets because that was the look the designers were going for. They can't even hire models that skinny anymore.
@@nycdanilrebel i was gonna say its Ozempic chic rather than heroin, it looks "attainable" especially if you have the money. So it artificially looks natural, but it really isn't since the side effects are so brutal.
@@jun3buhg yep and people today still want to have some semblance of a curvy body so they can use Ozempic and surgery to achieve that.
@babygirlt8938, Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Always factor that into your activism. Violence doesn't generate respect.
im in high school rn and can confirm this shift already has detrimental effects on young girls self image. the underclassmen girls literally refuse to eat at school saying its “embarrassing” to eat. fat jokes are tossed around constantly even toward skinny people if they enjoy their food too much.
Ugh I can imagine, plus the fear of being recorded and posted online for going against what everyone is doing and “eating”
Thanks for sharing!
That’s so awful, I can’t believe how far we’ve fallen so quickly after what felt like a lot of shift in the right direction. I can’t imagine how much worse it is for those kids struggling with a hard home life either financially, abusive or neglectful environments, or both, who may have their meals at school be the most consistent meals they get. And then to be bullied for eating too much or fast or just freaking enjoying the food?? Where did we go so wrong as a society to end up here (again)???
as a freshly 18 year old girl i can proudly say that social media destroyed my body image. i developed an ed at such a young age mainly because of tumblr. for years i thought that yes, tiktok is a bad influence for especially young girls but with all the body positivity movement and the handful of creators that are trying to teach about it, it was getting better. now with this shift i feel hopeless for the new generation and i hope that they will never have to go through what some of us experienced. this was an extremely well made video and i appreciate your effort to bring awareness. ❤
Thank you for sharing and I hope you’re feeling much healthier now! ❤️ Although things seem bleak, there are still thriving online communities that encourage body positivity and are less toxic about body image, so all hope is not lost
@@babygirlt8938 im still healing by mostly staying off social media lol. i hope people come by the good side of the internet and learn positivity. ❤️
I didn’t realize that curvy/slim thick was “out”, i still see a bunch of women trying to obtain that body type. i think thin and curvy will always be societies favorite for women, because they are seen as the most feminine. still i did not realize this and im now confused 😭. Honestly i am very slim but ive always wanted that “juicy” body type and now apparently my body type is in trend ?? this is crazy
Women’s bodies have always been trends and they go in and out of fashion, sadly
im built the same and i feel like skinny, BUT with wide hips, a tiny waist and plump butt is the actual ideal 😭im thin but with pretty much no curves, i really dont think my body is trending. people still want curves
@@zoozoozeeI actually think people like that "natural gym body". They still want that gym booty but also want to be skinny like a typical pilates girl lol. But the trend of absurd big butts is gone
jts also healthy for your body! please stop acting like obesity is good ❤
@@palemeadowswho said that😭
I have vitiligo universalis, which means it’s everywhere from my toes to my head and when this all started, it was for people like me, but now I’m told I don’t belong as a straight sized woman who fits most beauty standards. I love the idea of body positivity, but hate that we’re gatekeeping feeling comfortable in our skin now.
You belong and have every right to be part of body positivity! It’s hard, but please ignore the misinformed yet loud group who try to exclude certain people for arbitrary reasons ❤️
@@babygirlt8938 thank you, I appreciate that 🤍 great video, btw! Very well done
Thanks for watching Alicia 😊
To be honest I'm not at all surprised. I can't even be disappointed because I kinda knew deep down this would happen with how the internet and pop culture is, especially when it comes to women's bodies.
It’s sad how bodies go in and out of fashion, it’s so normal that it’s not surprising
i have so much acne scarring all over my body, but i always thought body positivity wasn’t for me because i’m not fat
It is absolutely for you! Please don’t forget that 💓
This makes me glad to be African because although being morbidly obese is looked down upon, a wide range of weights are acceptable especially being plus sized.
Really, that’s interesting! Which country or culture specifically?
@@babygirlt8938 I am in and watching from Botswana, in Southern Africa 🇧🇼♥️
That’s so cool, I’ll also do some research so thanks for sharing and thank you for watching ❤️
Same, I might be judged by Westerners, but not by my own people .
I’m a South African currently living in a first world country and I can say that I have never ever had extreme body image issues until I moved here. we don’t know how good we have it lol
Big back is a thing that has been used by the black community for years, and not necessarily in a negative way. Mire like tou doing too much. But the media took it and ran with it. Thats why i dont like when people use AAVE without knowing the context, and just label it as slang.
that’s interesting to learn!! ty for sharing :)
Yep
big back was definitely always a negative phrase 😭
@@worm-bri Yes it was! I'm pissed it's come back.🙄
it’s always been negative tho lol
The difference in age for Tiktok and Instagram is part of why. Slim thick/ curvy fit was the instagram era because the women being followed were not teenagers.
Interesting observation! Thanks for sharing 😊
And the Kardashians black fishing
I think I will forever treasure the temporary shift to body positivity/neutrality we experienced, I hope it has a long lasting impact on those who need a positive message. I still hold the value that you should love yourself and always strive for confidence - I just hope the general population thinks this way too in the face of ozempic and a resurgence of heroin shic
It will be hard for a lot of people during this time but luckily body positivity/body neutrality and online safe spaces still exist
Thanks for watching 😊
same. body positivity will never be out of style for me
It’s not a trend so it shouldn’t go out of style!
Same
@@coolchameleon21same for me
Also as a wheelchair user myself I really appreciate you bringing up disability in regards to body positivity. When that movement started it felt like we were left out a bit because it didn’t lead to us getting treated any better at all.
❤️❤️ you deserve to be included. It’s unfortunate that the body positivity movement is not as inclusive as it could be on a more public scale
I will say, behind closed doors, skinny people talk different to each other than they do to anyone who isn’t. I went from obese to low healthy weight over the course of a year cause of health issues in 2018 and I was suddenly privy to the exact same conversations happening in private this whole time.
I think it was just trendy to fake social consciousness.
Would you mind sharing these conversations? What was so unique about them?
What types of convos ? Were they positive or negative?
im skinny and this is soooo untrue. maybe for skinny women who think they’re above other people but not all of us
@@babygirlt8938 SOME of the people I’ve been around talk hella shit about body positivity and fat shaming, not everyone of course but it’s a trend.
Whether they are skinny or overweight, my discourse around my friends don't change. The only bodies we would talk about are the one of fine actors and celebrities. I think you were just around shallow/insecure people
I grew up chubby with two very skinny sisters...in a family that embraced thin bodies. Even with fat acceptance gaining traction when I was a teen, I couldn't embrace it. I tried and still try to, but I would be lying if I said the skinny girl inside of my brain still begs me daily to let her out. I still go to online ED communities.
Thanks for being so honest and sharing your experience ❤️ it must’ve been so hard for you, because you’re not only facing pressures from outside, but right in your very own home. Give yourself grace, and keep trying your best every day
Is 1:15 really saying that disabled shouldn’t wear underwear…
Crazy train of thought
@@babygirlt8938 then what is she saying
@@babygirlt8938 that disabled people shouldn’t model underwear??
She’s insane right wing brain rot
Brain rot be hitting
I think the trend is just having an. Hourglass shape like a small waist even when people say they want to be skinny they want to be thin with curves and I still see people hype thicker women with a small waist.
Yeah, it’s a fun trend but because people look like this, it can be hurtful to them
Yes! Because healthy was always attractive. Boobs and butts are fun, but not if your belly enters a room first because your liver is choking and dying. BBLs aren't even about the butt for most patients. It is about taking the fat from their belly away. Which just makes it harder to notice the visceral fat wrapped around your organs like a python squeezing till they stop moving.
Im glad you made this video simply because it lets me know I'm not trippin. I've had many of these thoughts over the past few years and felt like I was "thinking about it too hard" or making it "too deep" but no, all of this IS actually happening and it likely WILL have horrible consequences for people all over the world
Thank you 😊 and no it’s not just you who noticed, it’s subtle but the shift is there.
yes. this NEEDED to be said. i absolutely hate the word "big back".
"Being sick of inclusivity or diversity" is really telling on how much ppl accept the status quo, and how shallow (if present at all) their analyses are when it comes to the hierarchical, exploitative systems that shape our lives..... representation matters, but if it's contextualized as some kind of consumer trend, the reasons WHY it matters, become pretty pointless...
And the WHY it matters part needs us to do way more than "just" increase representation, it requires us to enact REAL change of systems.. but that cannot and shouldnt be marketed, by definition.. 😅
Capitalism will commodify, and therfore render harmless, EVERYTHING, incl resistance, and sell it as a trend or vapid aesthetic. Insidious really...
Great points! Thanks for sharing 😊
Yeah it’s intense. We take three shadow steps forward but we were really standing in place.
*"Capitalism will commodify, and therefore render harmless, EVERYTHING including resistance, and sell it as a trend or vapid aesthetic."*
Sign your name and get that framed, that's a quote for the books right there...
I will never understand why people get offended that others are included. If others are included, you lose nothing, but it might help someone else. Why be upset? Not everything is about you. Plus, if you like the product, it’s in your best interest for as many people as possible to benefit from it and like it too, as sales numbers typically dictate what continues to be manufactured and sold. Inclusion benefits everyone, not just those who were previously excluded, but those who weren’t.
Selfishness. It prevents others from wanting another person to enjoy what they also enjoy
The body positivity movement destroyed my mental health. I never saw anyone like me. I'm muscular, I have crooked teeth, dryer hair, super thin eyebrows, Uneven eyelashes, and psoriasis. These things are all considered to be "imperfections ". They only ever really show bigger people. And sometimes by bringing up bigger people, they go out of their way to put down girls that aren't overweight. Something else i noticed is that all the body positivity girlies are still gorgeous other than the fact that theyre plus sized. They rarely ever show someone with a facial deformity, scars, or skin conditions. People don't see it but thick is the new slim.
@@R0TT3N_B0N3S you’re right! There is a huge gap in the body positivity movement. It excludes people’s that have “imperfections” and just mainly focuses on body size. I hope it can come back to a place where it embodies it’s core message which is about celebrating all types of body diversity because you and everyone like you deserves to feel included 🫶
@@babygirlt8938 yes maam thank you so much🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻
Because it wasnt about that regardless of yall keep saying it. It was about the fat stuff. You cant outrun that. Thats why it died. Its the connection to obesity.
@TychoKingdom it's not about what?
You got the Victoria Secret portion a little wrong. We never wanted the vs fashion show to end. We called for more inclusivity in the fashion show BUT keep the glamour and drama. The men behind VS said absolutely not we’d rather end the show than add in more inclusivity. They believed the angels had to look one way. Now hopefully there will be more inclusivity with the same drama and glamour that we loved VS for.
Thanks for clarifying! Hopefully the new show coming this year takes all the complaints into consideration to make a fabulous show
one thing that I always like to consider: A lot of times fat people posting themselves aren't promoting obesity, but just sharing a post of themselves. Do certain people have less of a right to share content of themselves on the internet?
Agreed. They are immediately told that they should stop promoting obesity when they’re literally just existing
@@babygirlt8938 right it's literally so funny to me like with are people thinking when they tell them that
That girl getting mad over the underwear model in the wheelchair is crazyyyy acting like ppl in wheelchairs don’t wear underwear 😭😭😭
It’s insane
Media has ruined my perception of myself the most. As a young girl, I am constantly comparing myself to girls online and my friends. I’ve always just felt bigger than everyone my age but not “curvy” or anything. The body positivity movement has honestly always made me feel that I was out of place because there’s not many “mid sized positive” influencers out there. I feel I have to be on the skinnier side because everyone my age is quite a bit smaller than me, because apparently if I’m not skinny i have to be curvy. It’s too confusing to be a girl.
My lady, I think you'd benefit more from body neutrality. A body's purpose is its function, NOT to look nice. You do not need to conform to any outside expectation... period. Look inward. Ask your body what it needs. Act on that. Your intuition is a gift passed down through every single generation, do not forsake it for the silly people in the magic rectangle!
Omg are you me?? I feel the exact same way, it’s like it’s either I have to be skinny or curvy but somehow I can’t achieve either. It’s rough out here when you don’t have a body that fits the beauty standard ☹️
But everyone who calls themselves a big back isnt even fat irl. The girls i know use it to joke about eating a lot (they dont eat a lot - just normal snacking) its like a mocking term for when u like a certain snack. I joke with them but i kinda hate it because im not stick thin..
It can be jokes on the surface but it can be hurtful. sending you positive energy, don’t let the jokes get you down ❤️
that big back song pisses me off to no end omfg…
Not to mention brands label stuff xl when it's just actually large
The lack of consistency in clothing sizes is ruining the shopping experience and it’s sadly only getting worse
the one video with the little girl and her adult singing the big back song is so so sad. That poor little girl...she's so young you have NO idea what her relationship to food or weight or disability will be as she grows. She could have PCOS when she grows up, end up living in a food dessert, get an eating disorder where she sings herself that song as she squeezes herself in a mirror or it plays in her head as she frantically vomits after school lunch. Actually so tragic to make core memories around how your value decreases as your weight increases. She is the smallest she will ever be as mum is teaching her big is bad. So tragic. All down hill from that point kid.
imagine your kid is in the emergency room on a drip, you're begging them to eat bc they have a raging eating disorder and are genuinely risking their life, and in a raspy voice they just sing back, "big back big back. Remember when we used to sing that mama? Idk why you're switching up on me now..." My GOD 😭
😭I believe you just wrote a tragicomedy, where is your Oscar ?
@@babygirlt8938 🤣 dw I brought one from home 🏆
I think the new trend is to be fit and healthy, building muscle - leaving out of the equation bodybuilders - and have better eating habits. Once you notice how good it feels to be stronger and not have sugar cravings or sugar spikes, you don't want to revert to bad habits. It is also a preventative mindset as it's not a secret that people are losing their jobs, inflation is still with us, and the health care system is starting to fail - at least in the United States and the UK -, therefore, who can afford medical care? There are different kinds of wealth, and health is one of them. Obviously, my comment is not focused on aesthetics, but rather on the "healthy/fitness" movement.
Whoa, I really like this perspective. It’s seeing being healthy and having healthier habits as a long-term investment that could possibly save you, hundreds if not, thousands of dollars (that a lot of people may not have ). I also want to add that there’s more information out there on how to be healthy and take care of yourself, which could adding to this new shift. Thanks for sharing! ❤️
As nice as that sounds, I believe the fitness movement has been better incorporated among adults - specially those who lived in the 2000 Victorias Angels era. Young people, particularly teenagers but also young adults in their 20s, have been growing progressively fatphobic as years go by. Tik Tok is full of such content. I believe the rise of k-pop in this generation is a huge contributor. Overall, even though young people do join in on the fitness as self-care method, I believe it is wider spread among those who have already suffered from body image issues, and thinking of health instead of looks is a huge part of the healing journey
@@biaquerferiasI think all social and cultural content creators are two sides of the same coin, you have a distorted view of reality as your reality is determined by social media and then you assume that distorted view of reality is reality, overblowing issues, generalising whole demographics, etc.
Barely anyone I know likes K-pop, I will admit though The US is a whole different eco system, I feel like generally Europe is more tame, less polarised, less American 😂 (obviously a generalisation and my own personal view) I just think that in The US you're quite polarised and that can be a pro and a con, radicality can spur radical change but there's just not really that influencer, fame, glam, social media culture here and it honestly seems dystopian to me.
Like you'll see celebs in The US just doing daily activities and they're constantly stalked and harassed by paparazzi and fans, it's crazy.
What I'm trying to say is I don't think these generalising and unsubstantiated statements like "this new generation is more fat-phobic" etc are true or helpful and I think it's uniquely American and spreading like wildfire onto the rest of the world.
@@Betweoxwitegan [Long text ahead] Oh well, the first thing I should say is... I'm actually not american 😭 I'm Brazilian and have never left the country. So my opinion is not entirely based on the global north, but from South America too.
However you ARE correct when saying my views were based on social media. I was indeed talking about social media behavior amongst english-speaking posts, which I affectionately call the international internet because really there's people from all over the world, and I should've made that clear from the start. I didn't state it properly and ended up falling for the "oh this generation is..." trap 💀 which I agree is not very helpful in the discussion, but I also failed to convey I was not necessarily bashing on young people on Tik Tok, but merely making an observation. A lot of the creators who portray fitness as health have already struggled with body image before, and they know that's the healthiest approach; while lots of younger people are still in the process of wishing for an unattainable body and bashing others on the internet who choose other paths for their health. Which is kind of tragic in a way, that so many adults are coming from the future to say where that ends up but lots simply refuse to listen.
Onto the k-pop discussion, the k-pop fans in Brazil are a HUGE percentage of young people!! I'm the complete opposite of you, I have a BUNCH of friends who currently are or were into the genre at some point. It is rooted in teenage culture just like Britney Spears and Spice Girls were in the past. Which is funny in a way, bc Brazil has a much bigger japanese population that korean. I can see a correlation on the internet, the most fatphobic people on social media have idols pfp, ED twitter is full of k-pop stans, when watching content about k-pop you are bound to find a post saying "the body I whish I had" and a picture of an extremely thin idol (I think this video has shown one as an example). WHile I highly doubt 90% of those fatphobic people are brave enough to spread the same hate irl as they do online, we cannot deny that internet presence is as important to genz and alpha as real life. That's why I highlighted the genre, because I have much more contact with it. This phenomenom is interesting in another aspect: the brazilian beauty standard leans quite heavily on thickness! thick tighs and glutes, abs, basically look like a bodybuilder. So these netizens are growing quite far away from their country's beauty standards, and instead relying on korea's.
Overall I agree with you that my original comment sounded very polarising, young vs old, west vs korea etc and that was my fault. My intent was to highlight an internet phenomen I have been observing over the past few years that pertains the content of your original comment, so I took the time to clarify everything, that's why I wrote a lot today. Sorry for the huge read 😅
@@biaquerferias You don't have to be "American" to have an "American" view, "American" media dominates the world, especially South America for many reasons, obviously South Americans are Americans but colloquially Americans=USA, another thing they stole from everyone 😂
It definitely depends on location, here I don't see much K-pop idolisation or glamorization, I personally dislike the genre but nationally it's not a big thing either, a few years back is when it was most popular I'd say but the hype died quick and it didn't spread effectively, possibly due to the lack of Asian influence in demography, culture and media but also due to the relatively small population of my country.
I believe Brazil has the largest Japanese diaspora in the world but I could be wrong,
Again I'd disagree that internet presence is as important as physical presence for Gen Z & Gen Alpha, as I am Gen Z and I think social media is a tool for creation used by a minority, it desires to make you think social media production and consumption are normal, a social standard, but look around, at least for me no-one I know actively posts publicly on social media, there's a huge push from Gen Z to restrict social media platforms and restrictions their use. This could be due to the situation of my nation, with an active focus away from social media, as opposed to a country like The US
Brazilian beauty standards are too based, we've gotta nerf them, they're too OP, I'ma have to move to Brazil some day or Argentina 😂 (joking" maybe)
I mean let's be honest here, our evidence for Gen Z's infatuation with social media is derived from social media, that's inherently unduly biased and distortive data, we see the Gen Z's who post actively but we don't see the other thousand who don't, they are voiceless and we are blind.
Guys, this is a sign from god we need to drop this toxicity and claim our natural body and skin, fuck clothes! If we all go naked then they can't arrest all of us
Ok I just realized this might come off as hate, I'm trying to mock the fashion brands and people who aren't for inclusive brands, not people with diverse bodies
😂😂 this is definitely an idea
BBL isn't going away everywhere though. In Brazil it has always been the norm, and continued to be so despite the Kardashians shifting gears back. Having a muscular body, specially legs and butt, has been A Thing since at least the 80s. Maybe even earlier, idk
True, the Kardashians do not influence every woman in every country, or every beauty trend in every country. BBL bodies are trying to replicate real bodies that look like that so they will never go out of popularity because they are natural. But we are seeing more trends that show that being skinny is what’s fashionably in. Which is why i think people are opting for skinny BBL‘s instead of the regular BBL‘s
Especially in the black community curvy women are still praised and always have been
@miahlove1753
Exactly, as someone who was born in an African country, being thick and curvy has always been the beauty standard. I guess the kardashiams just popularize it in the west.
"I'm getting tired of this inclusivity thing" youre right, my bad. Obviously I can't wear underwear when I use my wheelchair. That would be ridiculous!
This is my perspective, as a used to be skinny person through strict diet and exercise, then was fat via medications and getting too tired /burned out to exercise. It is one thing to get people to “accept” bigger sizes exist and are here to stay.
But in advertising, to get people to buy stuff, you typically show audiences an idealistic version of what they can potentially be. Most people are not going to idealize themselves as fat. And what was happening with many companies was, instead of just inclusivity, they were seeking out only every deviation from what was once the standard model / ideal look to get people to want to buy something. Honest to god when I would be on a clothing site/app and see almost every outfit or style having an obese level plus size model as the standard, I would skip choosing any of those clothes to further examine. Bc a product has to make me think buying it will get me closer to or align with my ideal self. And my ideal is not obesity, it is fit, really more than fit, skinny. Whether this is right or wrong is one thing, but for businesses, they primarily care about what is yielding more spending and less spending.
Acceptance kind of faded to the back and it was all about positivity propaganda, the forced idealism of fatness. This is what many people felt was happening, like they were being gaslit into admitting fat was an ideal otherwise you’re a bad person who hates fat people. Media and politics always swing the pendulum of thought schools in opposite extremes, they never m a moderate ground.
Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing! Advertising does have the ability to influence so maybe selling an idealized idea to people is a quicker way to make a sale 🤔 and like you mentioned with the pendulum swinging back and forth, I wonder how long before it swings back again
The thing is, while being overweight has become more accepted, or atleast tolerated; there’s definitely this form of “idealistic” fatness, I don’t see people discuss. Things like pear-shape, distribution talk, and those that “where the weight well”. I think that’s the types that can present a bit of a double standard w/ the acceptance of bigger people
Skinny will never be out of style.
True, but body’s should not go in and out of trend, they’re not clothes or makeup
@@babygirlt8938 I definitely agree. Our bodys/physical features are something to be respected and appreciated.
@@babygirlt8938Body sizes aren't a trend, like sure you saw businesses be more open with displaying different body shapes and more support for body diversity but that's not a distinctive trend, it's not like being "fat" became generally attractive or that the general attractiveness of traits diversified greatly.
I wouldn't say bodies became trendy, I'd say the idea of businesses enhancing their body diversity became more trendy because it enhanced the general consumer experience and created more revenue.
In my view, obesity will never become trendy, desirable or attractive, it is a health issue and should generally be avoided, it should not be stigmatized as if one is obese then there's obviously a reason (likely outside of their control) and we should build a society that makes it easy to be healthy, that means more walkable cities, less pollutive cities, more walkability, more local small establishments, etc.
This is why i shop at Walmart. They would never take away plus sizes
That’s reliable consistency! Do you find the selections they offer to be stylish/what you’re looking for?
I think Kpop is a big part of this
When I was into kpop as a teen, after a while I had to stop following girl groups' music as closely as I would like bc I could not help comparing myself to them. Kpop could have that same effect on other young teens today, and it is becoming quite popular!
That’s an interesting perspective, you’re the second person to mention this
this video is so well made, it deserves more recognition!
Thank you ❤️ and thanks for watching!
as someone with anorexia, its genuinely so triggering to see everywhere. it makes recovery seem impossible.
I’m so sorry ❤️
Please don’t give up! Wishing you a safe recovery!
To me people do not understand the different body shapes, and how your skeletal system affect your body shape, and genetics. Some people are built big. Some pack more muscle than others. Being unhealthy is different from being naturally big, or small. For an example Freeda Foreman is a naturally big girl. Whilst Kristen Stewart is a smaller frame. nikocado avocado and Eugenia Cooney are a good example of unhealthy. We as a society need to understand the difference. Rather than shame and ridicule someone, help them. If they don’t want help, then leave them alone. Life is about choices, if it is their choice. Then leave it. Just kill people with kindness. Being malicious and hateful is not going to solve anything.
I really hate how people of higher status feel the need to project their “ideals” to the public and promote unhealthy life styles. Society needs to break from this. Stop making people’s bodies and looks a fashion statement. None of us choice to be born, specially into the bodies we have no control over. God made us all individuals. We should be treated as such, an individual. Celebrating our uniqueness, stop morphing into one. Have a bless day everyone❤ remember you are beautiful.
Love this ❤️ thanks for sharing!
Mais wtf ??? 1:10 I had to listen multiple times to be sure I got it right. What the...
Crazy work
I also believe that when people tend to overdue a look or aesthetic whether natural or plastic, it automatically becomes stigmatized and then the shift goes from a "trend" to going back to original or "back to the drawing board" And for that video on the plus size model discussing the website she was on regarding size, people must remember that majority of sedentary obese people are not able to maintain there size and instead gain up to super morbid obesity, which then becomes a cycle of death and the inability to buy and wear the clothes that they really want, which then affects the stores sales and money.
Yup! Once a look or feature is popular, it loses its appeal and people are looking for what’s different and “new”
@@babygirlt8938 exactlyy, next thing you know , people will try to remove all the plastic surgery they did to their face or try to get plastic surgery to look more "natural"
Do you have a source to back up your claim that a majority of sedentary obese people keep gaining?
I think it's fine to be a lil chubby and plus sized but when your size is literally affecting your health negatively that's when you NEED to change and lose weight. It's wrong to say that's it's okay to be a size that will affect your health. I am saying this because most of the time people use the "Body positivity movement" as a way to promote unhealthy sizes. This can be said about super skinny size
like emaciated size.
I agree with you about being healthy but what you’re talking about is fat acceptance! body positivity is not solely about weight or body size, despite what people claim that it represents. For example, morbid obesity and anorexia are serious illnesses of both the mind and body and again, have nothing to do with body positivity
@@babygirlt8938 I know, I was saying that some people use these illnesses in the body positivity. I know what the movement is I was just saying I have seen some people use that obesity in the body positivity movement. Your video is also well made btw! 😁👍👍
Okay, I can understand what you mean. Thank you for watching, appreciate it ❤️
@@knightknight-e1l someone else’s health really isn’t your concern, especially not a stranger . shaming someone for their size (big or small) is only going to make things worse. people know if they’re overweight or underweight, constantly pointing it out solves nothing and will likely just drive them further into ED behaviors. many people have chronic illnesses and will never be “healthy”. health can and does change in an instant, and people shouldn’t be shamed because they have health conditions. health doesn’t equal morality. this whole “you need to be healthy” i’ve seen lately is just repackaged ableism.
adults can make their own decisions about their health, stop treating people like they’re stupid and don’t know the health risks of the choices they make. they don’t need to be scolded like children and told that they’re unhealthy, because i guarantee they already know their own health and the health risks of their lifestyle. when i was smoking, people always lectured me about how unhealthy it was and i just laughed at them because i was obviously fully aware of how unhealthy smoking was. i just didn’t care because i enjoyed smoking and it was worth the risk to me. a lot of people drink multiple energy drinks everyday or drink alcohol every weekend knowing full well that it’s not healthy, but telling them how unhealthy it is won’t change their behavior. people are allowed to have the autonomy to make their own choices, and i guarantee that yapping to someone about how “unhealthy” they are is only going to fall on deaf ears and drive them further into the behavior. treating people like they’re stupid will not change anything.
@@coolchameleon21 I never said to shame anyone just don't promote it and say it's okay to be like that when it's not. I am not shaming anyone i am just saying not to say it's okay to be that size. It's the same thing as promoting smoking and drugs, it kills people
For me, when I think size inclusive- I'm imagining sizes 6-14. The problem is that the plus size models all seem to be size 20+ which tells me nothing of how it's going to look on someone of average size. There are plenty of size 0 models and size 22 models, barely ever do I see my size or even close to my size (10) represented. It's confusing with vanity sizing too, so I typically won't buy anything without trying it on first.
Brands will make clothes that they sell alot of. If the average size for women in the usa is between a 0-12 that is what they are going to make. I could see that they may not have been selling that many in the 16+ size range.
Thanks for sharing! 😊 i think in general, clothing brands don’t do a good job of showing different sizes which is why you don’t see your size 10. I also googled the average US sizing and “ The average size of an American woman is now between 16 and 18, according to a new study from the International Journal of Fashion Design, Technology and Education.” So it means brands are not really making clothes for the real demographic of those who buy clothes.”
the switch up on victorias secret is proof of this change
Yup! When I saw the backlash I knew something had drastically changed
An added bonus factor in the lack/decrease of wider size ranges is fast fashion & the shoddification of everything: every additional size they add costs money, because you have to subtly adjust seam lines from size to size. Plus the profit margins are smaller on larger garments, because they use more material. - we're talking pennies, really, if that, but when these garments are being sold for far less than they should cost to produce, pennies matter (not to mention, when you're selling thousands of these things over & over, pennies add up). Plus, no-one is meaner than a billionaire!
This is not okay, any more than using cheaper, poorer, more fragile materials is ok. Bigger (& smaller) than average (not that the size ranges actually represent a true average range) people deserve high quality, well-fitting clothes. Everyone does.
I was saying this the other day, that’s there’s been a huge shift. I think this has a huge part to play in the rise of ozempic - a lot of celebrities have drastically lost weight and they’re losing that “baddie / BBL look. I think the BBL look is really no longer in trend for the most part. It’s just so sad that now bodies are changing again. I think the thing that should be pushed the most is “health” health and being active with and athletic build should be pushed. This can look different on everyone too. Also, I do see a huge rise in gym content / culture being pushed too which I do think it’s good there will always be a toxic/ bad side to every community I guess. But I do think - the whole “thin is in” will definitely trigger Ed’s again. Which is just very sad
It was a slow but steady creep, and then one day it was all about being thin. the silver lining is that there are more resources, education, and media out there today than in the past so that people can hear other voices and find a supportive community that aligns with them
I grew up in the 2000s skinny body craze, and I knew once y2k fashion came back in style, so would that body. I’m so scared that we’re going to have a whole new generation of girls with eating disorders and bad relationships with food.
I think ED’s and similar issues have always been around and always will be, but at least now there’s more education, media and resources than before. It’s not a full proof solution but hopefully it will be able to help young girls and women not feel as alone and fall down the same destructive path as those from the y2k era
I didn't watch the VS Tour but the clips you posted seemed like they weren't being serious. It looks insulting to have models with disabilities just have clothing slapped on them like they're going to gym class. That was where VS messed up. They could have kept the Angel shows but include all types of models.
Lol 😂 not gym class. I wonder what kind of changes they will make in the 2024 fashion show and if it will please everyone
Tin foil hat moment but I'm pretty sure VS purposefully made their VS Tour look bad so that they could go back to their original vision by saying "we tried to be more inclusive but people didn't like it so obviously it's because we hired diverse models and not because we made them walk wearing trash bags 🥺". They could have done the same show with the wings and beautiful outfits but on bigger bodies but no, for VS if you are big/disabled/not a thin white woman you are not the dream, you are not angel material
@@Melissa-sx9vh you might be on to something because they could have easily made it work. They just decided to totally do a 180 on the brand and strip everything away when nobody asked for that.
@@Melissa-sx9vhyou’re absolutely right
Literally. People watch fashion shows for the FASHION, so why would anyone want a fashion show with a bunch of regular people in regular clothes? If anything it's weird because the only "appeal" is to just look at random people with disabilities. They also could've incorporated their disabilities INTO the fashion, like decorating a wheelchair or robotic leg.. That would've been really cool but instead they chose to drop the ball completely and act confused why people were upset.
All this proves is that people only really stand on vain and selfish things and have no real cares about how the world really works. Told what to think and when and the only people winning are the corporations
Sad but true, these corporations are laughing all the way to the bank by making and selling products based on our insecurities
We played right into Victoria Secret’s hands. They made their runway shows flop on purpose. Their models last year might as well have been wearing potato sacks because they were totally unfashionable. It’s not that they can’t dress plus-size models, it’s that they didn’t want to. Then people started begging for their old shows and now Victoria’s acting like “they’re listening to people’s concerns and bringing the old shows back”. Truly villainous shit. They knew exactly what they’re doing.
@@branthlysauveur359 villainous indeed!
honestly i feel like ppl got tired of being nice
You hit the nail on the head
@@babygirlt8938 being mean and exclusionary has too many benefits!
There's a little song that goes 🎶"we got to celebrate our differences"🎶
Ohh not THAT song
@@babygirlt8938 😂
1:12 people who are disabled wear underwear local woman discovers
😂 not the news report
1:20 this voicr matches her opinion
😂 true, very whiny and for no reason
klandace owens 🤢
that woman has the soul of a middle school bully, making fun of someone for being in a wheelchair, I'm disgusted.
I think that alot of people where supportive of body positivity until certain fat activists started make unfair demands. And claiming that being morbidly obese is healthy. Some of them started acting so entitled it pushed people away from body positivity since people just can’t differentiate fat liberation and body positivity . 😔
It may have lost its core meaning to a lot of people, but it’s not too late to bring it back and celebrate diverse bodies, which is what the movement is all about. It will be hard to do so, but not impossible
Also, thanks for watching! 😊
We'll revert back when there's gonna be a new EDs epidemic and we'll finally wake up
@@zeikibee5413 yup, it’s only a matter of time till there’s a new trend cycle
I honestly was side-eyeing the fashion industry from the very beginning of the body positivity bandwagon. I never expected this to be permanent because fashion is inherently transient, what’s in one moment may be out the next (which is exactly what happened).
The good news is, as long as people keep calling brands out and posting on social media in spite of the backlash, there’s no way they can hide. Social media is a double-edged sword, it’s easy to spread hate but it’s also easy to spread love. They can’t silence us that easily. And hey, maybe this is just paving the road for someone to earnestly fill the gap in an exclusive industry and make it better for everyone. These brands are just chasing a trend to make money off of us, I’m just glad everyone is realizing that. Now is the time to speak with our pockets, a brand can’t survive without a consumer base.
It really irritates me how people twisted the entire message of body positivity. Its sad. Beautiful video btw! ❤
Yes! Thank you! ❤️
Imo we should all be aiming for body neutrality. Yes, some people should be losing weight, heck i need too. But skinny or fat or anywhere in between, we deserve respect, dignity and to feel beautiful.
But this is the internet, no gray areas or nuances allowed.
Yup, you’ve summarized it perfectly! There’s so much nuance but no one wants to hear that. It’s either strictly this or that
We as a society are regressing, less tolerance for everything I'm very sad to see that😢
About Pilates:
it is mainly for posture and allignment for dancers. It is meant to strengthen and allign your muscles to an ideal allignment to avoid injury.
Early "typical" bodies which arose from pilates looked the way they did because they were engaging in other intensive excercizes MAINLY.
There is a concern with people "trying" pilates: but who go about it with intensity (like that weird sweaty photo you showed). Her posture is horrible. She is going against everything which is important when performing pilates movements: breath, and core posture control.
Meanwhile: the obession with gaining a certain body aesthetic over health is crazy! We know what will lead to almost halving our risk of all cause mortality: this is getting at least 150 minutes within zone 2 or 3 cardio (NOT GETTING INTO ZONE 5). The greatest increase to longeviy was seen at 150 to 300 minutes per week, with two twenty minute sessions of bodyweight/weight related excercises. Stretching and mobility training becomes increasingly important as we age and should be performed ideally 30minutes to an hour a week. Walking is important, but often falls within zone 1 or 2 of cardio. We might be able to represent excercise minutes by coefficients related to the zone of cardio in this way.
All this to say we should be trying to follow what the health research indicates.
Very educational! Thanks for sharing 😊
Some people cant loose weight because of health issues
True!
I’m so tired of this shit 😅 why can’t ppl just not care about others bodies
Right? People are so nosy, what happened to minding your business?
omg im friends with the guy in the og tiktok (the one showing off his fit not the guy reacting) @ 0:22
Pls tell him his fits are cool af, I love when masc people actually have fun with fashion
Tell him we want more fashion videos!
I give kpop the fault on this snap back because it got popular simultaneously with the body positivity movement and if course if its perfect vs imperfect we know which wins in the end😢
Really…I haven’t made a connection with K-pop, interesting pov
Beauty is exclusive, not inclusive, because its value lies in setting high standards that people aspire to achieve. This exclusivity creates a sense of admiration and motivation to improve oneself. The Victoria's Secret Fashion Show became famous by showcasing models who represented these high standards of beauty, making the brand special and desirable. When the show tried to be more inclusive, it lost some of its appeal because the excitement and inspiration came from seeing an idealized form of beauty that people wanted to strive for. This aspiration is what made the show exciting and influential. I would also argue that there is representation of diverse people in the fashion industry: Alek Wek (South Sudan), Liya Kebede (Ethiopia), Adut Akech (South Sudan), Maria Borges (Angola), Anok Yai (Egypt/South Sudan), Liu Wen (China), Fei Fei Sun (China), Sui He (China), Ming Xi (China), Soo Joo Park (South Korea), Gisele Bündchen (Brazil), Adriana Lima (Brazil), Alessandra Ambrosio (Brazil), Isabeli Fontana (Brazil), Lais Ribeiro (Brazil)
@@cecibrazilian interesting perspective! Thanks for sharing 😊
Tabria & the stitcher summed it up perfectly. I’m just tired of people being dehumanized. All I want is the comments to stop and just live my life. Is it too much to ask? Even with knowing the screwy nature of our capitalist society where either way I don’t win, it still hurts. I get the health aspect but can we just stop with how we treat fat people (and by extension anyone who doesn’t fit the cisgender able-bodied aesthetic) so terribly? That’s the big issue here and it disincentives change.
I’ve been working on feeling better about my body. I gained a lot of weight during my college years and the lockdown and even though I’m not dangerously overweight, the comments really get me down. It also gets me into an awful psychological quandary - I want to get down to a weight i feel more comfortable living in and to make those changes from a place of love rather than hate or disgust. If I gain weight, it’s looked upon as a moral failing but it also vets out those who only see me as an object. If I lose weight, I’ll feel better physically but the changed attitude towards me might break me because people who could’ve been kind to me pre-weight loss *decided* not to and it’ll make me question if there’s a catch in every interaction.
Thanks for being open and honest 🫶❤️, this is the reality of so many people. Being judged based on your body/and other physicalities is one thing but to be treated unkindly for it when all you’re doing is existing is hard.
There definitely needs to be a shift in the public mindset and how people interact with people who don’t fit into their expected mold of conventional standards -- and it’s long overdue
Doesn’t matter if you skinny or fat if you’re unhappy with the skin you’re in it will show. Nobody wakes up and decides they want to be obese
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Thank you, i got my fix for the week. Great info. Now I crawl back under my rock,...,and wait for your next video. 🙂
Stop it!! you are too kind ❤️ Thank you!
I’m skinny but I have curves so shopping for especially jeans sucks cuz I always need a belt. I want them to bring back the adjustable jeans
One thing about runway models that gets kinda tricky is the level of drama put into the sketch designs I think. They're so used to wanting a thin, sharp figure with negative space* to make it pop.
It should not be an excuse to not involve more diverse bodies (they have enough influence where they should be thinking of it) but think of all the fashion sketches you see. Tall, thin, sharp, all so they can have a thin frame to make the dramatic shapes of their garments pop even more. Even the thigh gap makes for a nice pop of negative space, which they also like to use.
I'm sure there's LOTS of fat phobia and unfair treatment that comes with trying to be a runway model that isn't skinny and white, but I think the models don't change because the sketches don't change.
The director, the artist, that's envisioning these articles needs to stop thinking purely in shape language and contrast, and start thinking more about the human that's going to fit into it.
Cater to the body, not the clothing.
*(for those who aren't familiar: negative space is a concept in visual arts where the silhouette of your piece has parts of the background clearly showing through, allowing for more contrast and depth. think of a hand on someone's hip, and the strong triangle of light you'd see popping through if it was backlit.)
there's treatment like a thin body is peak aesthetic for the "freedom" in silhouettes it allows, but to me, as an artist, it looks more like refusing to think outside the box.
I understand the perspective of plus sized people not being able to shop for clothes like everyone else and that is really unfortunate.
A lot of the issues also stem from the "fast fashion" culture in general, though. It is a culture of constantly consuming and then discarding those articles of clothes when they are "out of style" or "season." I don't think that people really talk about that part of it enough. Trying to "fit in" with the latest fashion trends, to me, is pretty vapid and wasteful. People seem to not be able to think enough for themselves to choose not to follow the "fast fashion" trends and just go with clothes that they actually like, or that accentuate their own body in a way that makes them feel comfortable and attractive.
For the record, I own like 2 pairs of jeans that I have had for literal years that I have never felt the need to discard or replace because they are still in good condition.
If you're worried about your favorite brands getting rid of the sizes of clothes that fit you and you still have clothes that fit you, then don't buy new clothes. If you have to replace clothes because they've become too damaged or worn out, then find brands that do have clothes that fit you. Stop being loyal to brands. They don't really care about you, they just want your money. They never cared about you, you just bought into them because they were doing a thing that you liked at the time or a celebrity that you like was promoting it.
Think for yourself.
1. Skinny has always been the default 2. Millennials went all in on body positivity bc they’ve grown up in the 2000s Paris Hilton and dieting era and wanted a change. It’s funny that Gen Z are branded as the “woke” and societal aware generation yet they just copy everything y2k and willingly align to the skinny cult again
Every generation basically copies previous eras but adds their own spin to it and then calls it something new
All yall do is blame genz, but tbh this is coming back bc gen x is in their nostalgia era. Gen z wants the thing yall had as well, in 2024, being a teen or a child is not even acceptable, look at these Sephora kids etc etc. Yall had boy bands, awards for teens, celebrities made for teen while gen z don’t have shit, we have to be grownups. Also if body positivity is out of trend it’s bc of celebrity culture, that was created during the 90’s/ 2000’s (gen x era) they keep changing their bodies,if u want an exemple look at miley Cyrus. And pls gen z understood that teen privilege is real (something rlly prominent around gen x)
Surprised to see you only have 845 subscribers :O Can't wait to see you get more recognition
You are too kind, thank you❤️
I think we should advocate for healthy bodies while not shaming those who don’t.
You hit the nail on the head
I feel bad that plus sizes are being scaled back but I wonder if the brands just were not making money with the extended ranges. Even tho obesity is more and more common, there might not be enough people buying the larger sizes. And unfortunately larger sizes do cost a little bit more to make due to fabric. If might be a problem of they aren’t making a significant profit to justify the cost to produce a wide size range. And then like you said the body positivity waning, and the health and wellness industry booming, there’s even less of a demand.
And also women’s sizing is such a shit show. I wish there was just a standard sizing across the board.
I like body positivity and love body neutrality but I think the community did loose the plot. It went from people with disabilities and people with larger bodies should be treated with respect and should be included to morbid obesity is healthy, and you can be morbidly obese and be healthy. We went from a logic critique on bmi and how it does not take into account things like lean muscle, to body size and health don’t correlate at all which unfortunately isn’t true. And honestly the community was hypocritical because they understood that being severely underweight isn’t healthy, but could not admit that it’s the same with being severely obese. The body cannot sustain any extreme condition. It needs balance. That’s how nature works it thrives when things are in balance. Which people called all of this out but it started to get real when a few popular body positivity influencers died to complications due to obesity. And then another crop of popular influencers came out with saying how they are losing weight due to health issues. It was the final blow to the community and like always, trends are now swinging to the other extreme with the resurgence of skinny is in and therefore the subsequent rise in ED and body shaming.
What the movement should have been saying is healthy or unhealthy people deserve respect and to be included. That is what the message should be. We shouldn’t shame people just because they are unhealthy, it isn’t our business. We shouldn’t glorify being unhealthy, BUT we shouldn’t hide them away in shame. They exist and deserve to have things available to them. And shaming people who struggle with unhealthy habits and lifestyles never works. It just makes them feel worse about themselves and they feel like that’s the life they deserve. It’s a vicious cycle.
Thanks so much for sharing! 💓 Interesting point of view. I agree that the message of body positivity definitely lost the plot at some point because the main message should be about giving everyone respect and treat them decently regardless of their size or any other defining features and no one should be shamed or be hidden away--you never know what’s going on behind the scenes
I think there will never be standard sizing because there are just so many variations of sizing around the world (eur, us etc) and also women’s bodies (bodies in general) are just so different and are shaped differently. It’s hard to make a standard sizing that applies to everyone, everywhere all at once
18:06 This brings up another point. Why do people believe fat people were never skinny and vice versa? “Big people who never shopped there anyways.” What if I was a loyal fan of their brand, had a couple kids, and wanted to buy their stuff? It’s so bizarre. Like if you show someone a pic of you before your weight change, people are confused.
not even halfway through the video yet but i think the fashion industry plays a huge role in this. over the summer and past couple months, i’ve felt like a lot of the tops look better on women with flatter chests (so mostly skinnier women). this is definitely a result of the trends but it also heavily reinforces the current body trend
Interesting pov, thanks for sharing!
can we also not forget that there’s been studies that the slim thick trend is actually more harmful than skinny being the trend. i don’t believe either should be trends but people treat skinny as worse than slim thick when they’re pretty much equally as bad as each other.
The problem is body types should not be a trend and they should not be compared to each other or treated like something you can have today and then switch out for something else tomorrow
Also, can you share the study? I love reading up on different topics
I believe it because being slim thick is even harder than being skinny because if you get thin, unless born with great genetics, you lose ass and titties.
Im sure I’m not the only one who grew up w some kind of ED, tried to or maybe even did recover (in part to the body positivity movement) only to fall back down the rabbit hole in recent months/1-2 years. Its so exhausting man
I’m so sorry. Wishing you all the best, you’ve got this 💓🫶
@@babygirlt8938 Thank you so much!! 🫶💕
It's because people have dream of being them that's why they aren't shutting it down they can't hurt their dream they don't want to realise how unrealistic it is they want to save their spot
Who?
Representation, acceptance and equity is so important! Why shut out an entire consumer base? I feel like they make more money off our insecurities so the big industries (beauty, health/wellness, fashion, big pharma, food) all work together.
Its sad. People can go from saying to love yourself no jmagter how you look, to saying big back at the slightest person who isn't thin. God forbid someone is in a wheelchair or is disabled in some sort of way, cause ethey get called weird and sped and helpless. This world is so focused on how others look, that you cant even have any confidence anymore. People should take a look at themselves and hear what they say. They need someone to make them understand what harm they do, especially when they blast it on social media.
The switch up has been crazy and mean
I've already noticed a massive swing to ED content on Pinterest too!
Yup, noticed that too
A lot of people in these comments are like “Fat people made the body positivity movement all about them” or “Why don’t people make body positivity content about stuff I’m insecure about”.
And I really wish people would realize that the reason is because a bunch of fat/plus size activists got determined to make that sort of content, put in the work, deal with the backlash, and build a movement. I’m saying this as a person who has been underweight their entire life and wishes there was more body positivity about scars, so it’s not like I’m anti-expanding the movement. But if you want to see different types of body positivity, you either have to put in the work to make that content, or support people who are making it (because there ARE people making that content, they just don’t have many followers). I spend a lot of time on less popular platforms (tumblr, which has way less users but more adult users nowadays and Cohost), and there are tons of niche body positivity accounts and posts. They’re out there, go find them and support them and build community instead of blaming plus size people for making content about their experiences.
It’s also because from the numbers perspective, more people have struggled with their weight than people who have visible scars or deformities. Even people who have never once been plus sized have worried that they’re fat (including me, someone who has been underweight all their life), and relating to something makes you more likely to share it and grow the movement. Way more people can relate to the body weight side of body positivity then the side for people with physical disabilities or mobility aids or visible scars or visible intersex characteristics or unusual, prominent birth marks (but again, these communities and accounts and pages DO exist, but because they just represent a smaller part of the population they don’t get as popular).
It’s like if an environmentalist walked up to a pro-choice rally and got mad that they weren’t talking about the environment. I’m not saying we shouldn’t have environmentalism rallies, but at some point you have to stop expecting other people to do the work for you, especially when they’re already advocating for something else.
You shouldn't treat someone badly from being fat. You shouldn't treat anyone badly for that matter.
That being said. Being fat is a choice (A choice I myself made in the past). People are naturally skinny, and if people think being skinny is more attractive, they're comparing the natural vs. the unnatural, when it comes to attractiveness. You cannot complain about the world not revolving around the choice you made of being different for your own pleasure.
You don't see anybody saying they wan't to be fat, because being fat is: 1. bad for your health (as I can attest myself); 2. gross/unpleasant (as I can also attest myself). Not everybody, but most work to not be overweight, so when the fat acceptance movement says they are perfect the way they are and society should see them as desirable, it's like spitting on the faces of those who actually had to work out to get in good shape.
No one should be disrespected for their body’s size. However, everyone should feel encouraged to pursue a healthier lifestyle. If they don’t want to, then that is their life and thats fine.
Body positivity was originally for people who have medical conditions iirc but it has gotten out of hand