@@noneofyourbusiness4133 From my understanding, Stryfo is an MTGO grinder that is the builder and namesake of Stryfo Pile, a 4c control deck that focuses on using looting effects like Dack Fayden to enable graveyard value engines like Uro and Loam (and historically Punishing Fire + Grove, though I don't see it in his more recent lists that Google gives me) for extreme grinding power. Typically, Stryfo Pile has a super greedy manabase with lots of duals and techlands, hence the meme over basics.
Hickamore, Hackamore, on the King's kitchen door; All the King's horses, and all the King's men, Couldn't drive Hickamore, Hackamore, Off the King's kitchen door
I had seriously considered building a joke deck that had Beans and Flickerwisp for utility plus responding to Bean removal by flicking the beans, lol 😂
I'm with you on the assessment of Triumph. Someone suggested it was a stabilization piece or whatever, but I don't think it is, because the opportunity cost to get it at a reasonable time is too much, and a stabilization piece that eats it to the removal that they had no targets for doesn't seem good to me. Getting outclassed by Murktide as well is not the way. When I play a control deck, I was to have answers, and if those answers can also be threats, then sweet.
Loved the Stryfo match, quality magic right there. On a side note, I think you should try using the keyboard shortcut to decline using the loam though, I think it really adds up on these sort of games.
Never played a game of legacy in my life; honestly can’t stand control decks; but whenever bosh n roll posts him playing a control deck in legacy, my ass is viewing 😊
I think you said it best when you said that Saint requires setup while the other meta threats do not. A 2ish mana 6/6 flier that pitches to force and just happens due to your deck functioning (and scales harder in multiples) is so much scarier than a 2 mana lifelinker that gets chumped on the ground and needs extra to make it happen. I think of Saint as a bridge to the end game, but this deck is entirely built to bridge already, and Saint is the worst bridge available so it probably shouldn't make the cut. Solitude at least has the added functionality of being free AND being removal AND being instant speed while Saint is almost always sorcery and has some level of resilience, but with almost all relevant removal for a 5/5 being exile, that extra clause is just flavor.
@BoshNRoll Thank you for the video. Nice to see the control mirror. Why no The One Ring? I thought 80 card Yorion Beanstalk seemed to be at a disadvantage in the mirror versus a 60 card Beanstalk deck since the opponent had higher chance of drawing more Beanstalks with only 60 cards that you wanted more card draw. What is your preference for 60 card Beanstalk or 80 card Beanstalk for Yorion? I seen you play both.
I love how the punt at 20:30 ended up being rewarded immediately by opp casting a pyroblast. Sometimes lucky. We'll just pretend that the original punt (attacking) isn't relevant lol
33:40 I’ve gotten a lot more comfortable playing into soft counters. Like yeah, I could’ve played a land and not gotten spell pierced, mana leaked, or miscalc’d, but like I have Brainstorms and Lootings in my hand
At 21:43, doesn't it make sense to keep karakas and put Mortuary on top? Regardless of whether you play mortuary this turn or next, you're going to take this turn and next to get through the brainstorm and you get the karakas protection immediately.
After game 1 against Stryfo you acknowledged clock being a concern and that life from the loam being a time sink. Have you ever sided a card out strictly due to clock concerns?
I wonder if, in your last game against Stryfo, you might have been better off just dredging the loam and holding it in your hand for a while to save clicks, even in some spot where dredging would otherwise be suboptimal.
Round 4 I would have favored a double Forth in the main because its a midrange mirror (even if they are slightly combo, which you did shore up in a sense otherwise). Might have left in 1 YOLO Surgical instead of the two, especially since it is unlikely that you'd want to Surgical more than one thing given the midrange build.
I'll say it again: poxwalkers is the best card from 40k. It's the only one that's inherently synergistic the deck is wants to be used in, requires no setup, and can't be used against you very effectively (i.e. opponent reanimating it).
I think when you are worried about clock and drawing a ton of cards, it is probably worth it to dredge the loam just so you don't have to decline the draw at every instance
Anyone else feel like terminus just doesnt cut it anymore? It seems like it just ends up rotting in your hand most of the time and would be better as a verdict
I mean, okay, the meta was different then, fewer broken FIRE cards had been printed, but I never understood the Triumph hype even from the start. A miracle French Vanilla beater... is still a French Vanilla beater and the bar for those is so high
i miss the old moxfield ad read. it was so intense. moxfield is not a calm experience, it is the deck building equivalent of naked cliff diving, and i want the vocal tone to reflect that.
Pox Walkers and Chaos Engine are probably the only two warhammer carda that will see play Pox Walkers made Dredge even easier, making Ichorid obsolete Chaos Engine is just bonkers when you cheat it play and even more bonkers when it leaves. It can easily be 3 for 1
Has Sultai Beans been going as far as Leovold? Or is the sort of green sun's zenith kind of package just too ponderous for the current pace of the format?
Sultai does play Leovold. Sometimes in the main, I have it in the board of my current list. It was our 76th card that barely got squeezed out back at eternal weekend as well.
It's super fun to see that tension, and it seems like a total beating in the current format for the mirror and whatever other "bigger" decks you might run across. Keep up the good work! I love to see the grindy 3-5 c mirrors on the channel. I feel like it makes my choices while playing everything from combo to control better in the long run.
After going 10-18 in the monthly ManaTraders Leauge with Triumph i totally agree with your take. That card is just not good. And btw it shows that we are all unable to stick to our own lessons. A 5/5 vanilla for 2 is not good. And adding Lifelink isnt enough if that 5/5 suddenly is costs 5 mana instead of 2 at random half of the time.
Cath has gotta go in order to make room for the real top of library tech: with the advent of fetchable surveil lands and enlightened tutor, we can easily bin Hedron Alignment!
Im kinda sad the Kath isn't super playable TBH. Partially because the humor of Warhammer 40K being meta relevant in legacy still hasn't wore off on me, partially because its such a cool card conceptually. Plus its actual TT model is gorgeous and I think the art replicates it almost perfectly. Ah well, can't win em all.
I mean, that's pretty obvious, right? 1W 5/5 lifelinker that draws a card off Beans. If it gets killed, a few turns later you get another 1W 5/5 lifelinker that draws a card off beans. Yeah it's probably not consistent enough, but I don't think it was crazy for people to be hype about it initially.
HOLY MOLY STRYFO PLAYED A BASIC LAND I DIDNT EVEN KNOW HE COULD DO THAT
Who’s Styrfo?
@@noneofyourbusiness4133 From my understanding, Stryfo is an MTGO grinder that is the builder and namesake of Stryfo Pile, a 4c control deck that focuses on using looting effects like Dack Fayden to enable graveyard value engines like Uro and Loam (and historically Punishing Fire + Grove, though I don't see it in his more recent lists that Google gives me) for extreme grinding power. Typically, Stryfo Pile has a super greedy manabase with lots of duals and techlands, hence the meme over basics.
@@noneofyourbusiness4133 As Hadradavus says, but also his name is on that 4c control deck and BoshNRoll has some vods with it on this channle.
Probably a misclick when building the deck, no need to panic.
Half an hour of fighting Stryfo? You're spoiling us, Brian!
Who’s Styrfo?
@@noneofyourbusiness4133 well known control pilot who plays his own eponymous archetype, which is non-white 4c grindy control.
BEAN PACK FLICK EM IF YOU GOT EM
Hickamore, Hackamore, on the King's kitchen door; All the King's horses, and all the King's men,
Couldn't drive Hickamore, Hackamore, Off the King's kitchen door
I had seriously considered building a joke deck that had Beans and Flickerwisp for utility plus responding to Bean removal by flicking the beans, lol 😂
Ayoooooo
The turn 10, 19 land, 5 card in hand standoff with Stryfo was heavenly
I'm with you on the assessment of Triumph. Someone suggested it was a stabilization piece or whatever, but I don't think it is, because the opportunity cost to get it at a reasonable time is too much, and a stabilization piece that eats it to the removal that they had no targets for doesn't seem good to me. Getting outclassed by Murktide as well is not the way. When I play a control deck, I was to have answers, and if those answers can also be threats, then sweet.
Loved the Stryfo match, quality magic right there. On a side note, I think you should try using the keyboard shortcut to decline using the loam though, I think it really adds up on these sort of games.
Good morning Bosh, hope your Island Ponder Keep shirt helps me get another event win today!
Good luck!
Brian is flicking beans, witherbloom command and leovold are main deck
Legacy is healing
That stryfo match was some of the best magic i've seen in recent history. Wrinkly brain control players 🤝
Never played a game of legacy in my life; honestly can’t stand control decks; but whenever bosh n roll posts him playing a control deck in legacy, my ass is viewing 😊
I think you said it best when you said that Saint requires setup while the other meta threats do not.
A 2ish mana 6/6 flier that pitches to force and just happens due to your deck functioning (and scales harder in multiples) is so much scarier than a 2 mana lifelinker that gets chumped on the ground and needs extra to make it happen. I think of Saint as a bridge to the end game, but this deck is entirely built to bridge already, and Saint is the worst bridge available so it probably shouldn't make the cut. Solitude at least has the added functionality of being free AND being removal AND being instant speed while Saint is almost always sorcery and has some level of resilience, but with almost all relevant removal for a 5/5 being exile, that extra clause is just flavor.
@BoshNRoll Thank you for the video. Nice to see the control mirror. Why no The One Ring? I thought 80 card Yorion Beanstalk seemed to be at a disadvantage in the mirror versus a 60 card Beanstalk deck since the opponent had higher chance of drawing more Beanstalks with only 60 cards that you wanted more card draw. What is your preference for 60 card Beanstalk or 80 card Beanstalk for Yorion? I seen you play both.
I love how the punt at 20:30 ended up being rewarded immediately by opp casting a pyroblast. Sometimes lucky.
We'll just pretend that the original punt (attacking) isn't relevant lol
Leovold maindeck, neat. You gotta smoke em if you gottem (it's like that right)
33:40 I’ve gotten a lot more comfortable playing into soft counters. Like yeah, I could’ve played a land and not gotten spell pierced, mana leaked, or miscalc’d, but like I have Brainstorms and Lootings in my hand
At 21:43, doesn't it make sense to keep karakas and put Mortuary on top? Regardless of whether you play mortuary this turn or next, you're going to take this turn and next to get through the brainstorm and you get the karakas protection immediately.
1:02:00 if you just fetch volcanic you also get domain an the can play ponder, too.
After game 1 against Stryfo you acknowledged clock being a concern and that life from the loam being a time sink. Have you ever sided a card out strictly due to clock concerns?
Pretty sure I've seen him side out a card for time concerns once, but I might be misremembering
I wonder if, in your last game against Stryfo, you might have been better off just dredging the loam and holding it in your hand for a while to save clicks, even in some spot where dredging would otherwise be suboptimal.
Now I want to see a deck that runs both murktide & triumph, like a UW aggro deck
It exists, it's called Jeskai delver, and it's already got a white powerful critter in Stone forge.
Now maybe Kathy replaces sfm, but ehhh
@@DracomandriuthusThe deck that won Eternal Weekend was not a Delver deck and ran 3 Kat 3 Murk 0 Uro.
Round 4 I would have favored a double Forth in the main because its a midrange mirror (even if they are slightly combo, which you did shore up in a sense otherwise). Might have left in 1 YOLO Surgical instead of the two, especially since it is unlikely that you'd want to Surgical more than one thing given the midrange build.
Now this is my kinda beans pile! I love the greedy 5c decks
I'll say it again: poxwalkers is the best card from 40k. It's the only one that's inherently synergistic the deck is wants to be used in, requires no setup, and can't be used against you very effectively (i.e. opponent reanimating it).
I think when you are worried about clock and drawing a ton of cards, it is probably worth it to dredge the loam just so you don't have to decline the draw at every instance
Does dress down on a forth turn prevent the monarch from being made? Isn’t it a delayed trigger on forth not an ability granted to the creatures?
No, but it removes haste from the creatures so you can’t attack and create the monarch.
I removes haste from the horses, so no delayed trigger on combat damage from the fourth
@@BoshNRoll ah ok that makes sense
Anyone else feel like terminus just doesnt cut it anymore? It seems like it just ends up rotting in your hand most of the time and would be better as a verdict
Feels like since Divining top was banned it’s just not worth it anymore because your not able to set it up as consistently.
It has the hidden text of "do massive psychological damage and tilt the opponent" as in 1:41:00 .
I mean, okay, the meta was different then, fewer broken FIRE cards had been printed, but I never understood the Triumph hype even from the start. A miracle French Vanilla beater... is still a French Vanilla beater and the bar for those is so high
i miss the old moxfield ad read. it was so intense. moxfield is not a calm experience, it is the deck building equivalent of naked cliff diving, and i want the vocal tone to reflect that.
Light Mode!! Dark mode!!! And So Much More !!!!
Light Mode !! Dark Mode !!! And So Much More!!!!
Calling yourself "addled" as the word of choice... accurate, but I know a Final Fantasy reference when I see one 🤔
I wonder if it's worth to dredge Loam when you don't need it to just get an extra two minutes on your clock.
Pox Walkers and Chaos Engine are probably the only two warhammer carda that will see play
Pox Walkers made Dredge even easier, making Ichorid obsolete
Chaos Engine is just bonkers when you cheat it play and even more bonkers when it leaves. It can easily be 3 for 1
Mawloc was having some chatter around it
Canoptek Scarab Swarm is definitely up there for playables as well, but I agree that Chaos Defiler is likely the best 40k card
The thing I thought was scary about triumph was how backbreaking it'd be against bazaar decks, but legacy doesn't have bazaar so eeeeeehhhhh
Has Sultai Beans been going as far as Leovold? Or is the sort of green sun's zenith kind of package just too ponderous for the current pace of the format?
Sultai does play Leovold. Sometimes in the main, I have it in the board of my current list. It was our 76th card that barely got squeezed out back at eternal weekend as well.
It's super fun to see that tension, and it seems like a total beating in the current format for the mirror and whatever other "bigger" decks you might run across. Keep up the good work! I love to see the grindy 3-5 c mirrors on the channel. I feel like it makes my choices while playing everything from combo to control better in the long run.
After going 10-18 in the monthly ManaTraders Leauge with Triumph i totally agree with your take. That card is just not good. And btw it shows that we are all unable to stick to our own lessons. A 5/5 vanilla for 2 is not good. And adding Lifelink isnt enough if that 5/5 suddenly is costs 5 mana instead of 2 at random half of the time.
If Tarmogoyf has LL, it might see play.
Might.
That Terminus lol
Cath has gotta go in order to make room for the real top of library tech: with the advent of fetchable surveil lands and enlightened tutor, we can easily bin Hedron Alignment!
hey Brian, since you're being sponsored by clubgg, a poker site - will we be seeing any poker vids from you as well - maybe under a different channel?
Probably not. I’m very much on the “poker night with friends” level, not the grinding tournaments level.
We miss Kathy Beans, bring her back Brian
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22:00 you should draw Karakas and stack on top the surveil land, you just decided to throw away a turn of Karakas protection
Im kinda sad the Kath isn't super playable TBH. Partially because the humor of Warhammer 40K being meta relevant in legacy still hasn't wore off on me, partially because its such a cool card conceptually. Plus its actual TT model is gorgeous and I think the art replicates it almost perfectly. Ah well, can't win em all.
my guy did not just misclick twice and then DRAW A BLUE CARD TO ENABLE FORCE
It was indeed hard to watch 😆👍
41:40 you could have dredged to avoid one damage ;)
Kath more like take a Bath you smelly magic players lmao gottem
Beans!
Why did ANYONE think Saint Katherine was going to be good?
I mean, that's pretty obvious, right? 1W 5/5 lifelinker that draws a card off Beans. If it gets killed, a few turns later you get another 1W 5/5 lifelinker that draws a card off beans.
Yeah it's probably not consistent enough, but I don't think it was crazy for people to be hype about it initially.
Man delver feels embarrassing right now
It’s a miracle! Or, wait, no it’s not…
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HERESY
triumph of saint Katherine in modern when?
Pretty weak minded opponent in game 5