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Just bought my second 2005 997S manual coupe. Put 20k miles on my first car over two years (from 40k-60k). Second one has just over 63k. I say get one with miles; less chance the IMS bearing will go splodey. Get a PPI and check the DME report, get a look under it yourself and make sure there's no RMS leak. Check for brake wear, tire wear, suspension wear as these can add up quick. Common failures are starter wiring harness, coolant overflow bottle, inner tie rods, and ign. coils. Then, go out and drive it! Can't be beaten for the price range.
This video is helpful but here is my perspective from first hand experience. First, you can forget about depending on service records. Just because a service was done, that does not mean it was done right. Many mechanics screw up even the basic stuff on a Porsche 911. I was looking at one recently with 'service records' and here's what I found. The 'certified' mechanic put the wrong coolant in the car and he didn't purge the air out of the system- thus causing it to leak coolant. He also put in the wrong oil for the oil change and did not use a good filter. He also did not change the crush washer. New tires were put on but they had the wrong pressure all around causing the car to drift to one side. The water pump was changed with a rebuilt one. He should have put in a new one. This car was a mess and yet it had a recent service record. I would have preferred that the car was left original with no work done on it at all. Next the PPI inspection is not all that helpful either. Will it tell you when the engine or transmission is ready to blow. No. Will it tell you when you will have a leak. No. There is a lot that it won't tell you. Furthermore, I won't even let a buyer take my Porsche for a PPI because the last time I did that it came back with a spark plug tube leak. As for the IMS failure, I have yet to see a failed one in my 30 years of Porsche 911 ownership. And finally, if someone were to ask me which 911 I would recommend. That would be easy: get a 1999 911 with rear wheel drive and no options. It has a dual row IMS bearing, it's easy to fix and very little can go wrong because you have no options. That is the best bang for the buck.Period.
The failed IMS bearing began with the first water cooled engines in the 996 and Boxters. It carried over into the early 997 as mentioned in the video. They absolutely do fail, somewhere between 3% and 5% of cars, which is outrageous for the supposedly reliable Supercar. I test drove one that had blown and been rebuilt. The owner had only had it for 2 months when it went bang. It cost £14,000 to put right, so beware.
D J I don’t think you know that around 10% failure of all manufactured 996s of which around 8% were fixed after the legal action against Porsche. Further to that some of the remaining 0.002% have been replaced by owners or independents plus many of the fixed cars have had their IMS bearing replaced several times due to the Internet sellers trying to generate income. Further to this the reason Porsche changed from a dual row to single row bearing was due to the dual row snapping timing chains. On the early 996/986 these items should be considered long term serviceable items as they will eventually snap if not replaced after anywhere over 60,000 miles (on the safe side) certainly by around 80,000 miles. In summary: You can fix the IMS but it probably won’t need to be done, let’s say for peace of mind, because of the commercial effort in solving the issue. You cannot stop a timing chain from snapping unless you limit your use of the car or change them out every 5+ years. Reality is your extremely unlikely to suffer an IMS failure unless you don’t do maintenance and you store the vehicle for long periods, say over winter or 6 months. Also if you only drive every other weekend or so over short distances say 20 minute journeys. These cars, the older they get, the more they need to be driven. FINALLY very important NEVER BUY A 996/986/997/987 ridiculously low mileage because whatever the mileage is, the vehicle is still as old as it is. It will have parts on it which are way beyond their working life and they are almost certainly going to have IMS issues I could tell you why but that’s a whole different essay and I’ve typed enough.
How does failure to bleed cause a leak? And the crush washer rarely actually needs to be replaced...I have seen them reused several times without issue.
Hi Ideal Cars! Great video again and very specific about certain problems. I will definitely use this video as a reference point. Fully agree that the 911 is a car you just must own as a car enthusiast at some point. In fact, I'm looking around for one at this point and also made a video similar to yours about the 997 values. The bottom of the market is, in my opinion, quite close. The Carrera 4 Cabriolet is in fact already increasing steadily in values. With the right detective work, you can get yourself a car which will still last for years without losing money on it. Keep it up.
I love my 997.2. These are all great tips. I passed on a beautiful 997.2 from another PCA member after I got the over rev report. Couldn’t believe how bad that was. Coil packs and removing the front number for cleaning is an easy DIY. Great information and I’m now a subscriber!
IMS bearing design changed mid 05. Forget the date. Had an 06 after the date, no issues. Keep the oil changed, even if it’s sitting. Kept it 2.5 years. I do miss that car. May get another.
Bore scoring is not over exaggerated if buying an 997.1 make sure you get the the cylinders boroscoped , so many of the cars with engine re builds its unreal !
Both great cars. I roll with a lot of air cooled guys, and had a 85 3.2 Carrera myself before the 997. The .1 GT3's are awesome, and without centerlocks you have a lot more options for wheels.Thanks for watching! Appreciate the support!
997.1 GT3! Fantastic car! Very analogue, and extremely fun to drive! Good to know you enjoy both your F car and Peanut! Because they are both Ideal Cars!
I own a 993 and I almost bought a one-owner low mileage 1999 Ferrari 550 Maranello (I love the style) to add to the garage, but things didn't work out. Unfortunate, as I think Ferrari styling and the sound is heavenly. So I bought a 2015 911 Carrea 4 GTS. Back when I bought my 993 (and I am a Porsche nut since I was ten), I looked at Ferraris, but as an Italian friend of mine who was born and lives in Italy and one that owned a car parts business once told me, "Ferraris are beautiful to look at, but if you want a real sports car, buy a Porsche". His words, not mine, so I bought the 993 which I still own and will not sell.
Love reading the comments, you can tell the armchair mechanics straight away,only comment if you experienced a taste of 997s good and not so good points, one thing is fact if you drive one for a while it all falls into place its performance, it’s looks, etc is not a cheap car to run
veeco3110 , the 996 turbo is an appreciating classic and possibly worth having but many people couldn’t afford to maintain one properly. If I wanted a value 996 I’d be trying to find a GT3. I’m not comparing models, I’m talking series, the 997 is the best value 911 at this time.
I've enjoyed this "series" of videos in particular. Lots of great information condensed into a pretty concise video. One regulatory hiccup I've encountered in the U.S. researching cars is that dealerships are apparently prohibited from giving you service records or talking to you about a car unless you can prove you own it (unless it's for sale at that particular dealership). Which is unfortunate because all of that information would be most useful *before* I own a car. 'Not sure if that's the same in other countries or not.
Thanks man! And you're 100% on with getting the service records. Usually you can find someone willing to dish over the info... it just takes some time. With my last m3 I bought, I called 3 BMW dealerships and finally got someone to give me the service history. The first two wouldn't because I wasn't the owner. If there's a will there's a way! Thanks again for supporting the channel!
Although there is that regulatory hiccup, I’ve found that if you call a service advisor at the dealership where the car is been normally maintained and be forthcoming that the car is for sale and you’re interested in it’s service history, the advisor will usually share it.
4:11 As for the black sooted exhaust tips, maybe. I noticed that on my "Direct Injection" 2015 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS that I bought used with CPO from my local Porsche dealer in 2018 with a mere 98 miles (157 km) had black sooted tips after I put some miles on it and to this day. One would think with O2 sensors an engine would run ultra clean, but my exhaust pipes were lightly sooted. Now I do drive at normal highway speeds and I did break the engine in as per the Owner's Manual. I did some reading and it appears that "Direct Injection" engines soot the exhaust tips. Now at about 6000 miles with no oil consumption, the engine is fine as it always has been since day one.
Great video. Thank you! Quick question: how would you recommend addressing the rubberized paint wear on the temp and fan buttons? You are correct - it's horrible on the eyes.
I use a product from Car Guys called Plastic Restorer, on my interior black switches, also on the black side pieces by the side mirrors and on the front black plastic piece by the wipers. You might have to apply once or twice to begin with and touch up a bit, but it really works. My 997.1 interior pieces were really looking faded and this product made a big difference in bringing back the black color. I used q-tips when applying product in the interior and I also applied it to the black A/C vents, both sides, and that made a difference as well. This will not help for paint issues, but it really worked on my faded black switches and parts. Hope this helps.
Rather funny that the bill shown has screws and bolts listed as replacement items, I work on large commercial engines and we do replace hardware if its not damaged, that would be a huge waste of money. Somehow Porsche people think you need to do that.
I love your effort and drive. the content is super polished and i can appreciate the craftsman mentality. Your growth is coming on nicely. looking forward to more of the great work.
Ideal. I’m just starting to look at 911.2. I’ve found a pretty clean 74000 miles 911/4 for a reasonable price (I think anyways) What should I look for the hardest?? I know to open th car in every angle. Take a good look in the radiators up front. What else should I check with my own eyes before I have it gone over by a professional???
Very good advice I’ve had a 986 boxter for about a year now I had the oil and filter changed right away and inspected the filter for debris and it was clean, luckily it was a 1 previous owner that had it regularly serviced at every interval at the dealership where he purchased ive had no problems with the car apart from the rms which the dealer paid for to replace he even paid for a new clutch while it was out this was done as well, so overall a good experience.
On the one hand you’re saying that maintenance history is important but on the other hand you’re doing all your maintenance yourself, so how do these methods align?
No matter where you get your maintenance done you want to make sure it’s documented. All the maintenance we do is billed thru Travs business to keep a trail. The way I look at it as any repairs not documented with a receipt didn’t happen. Then I let the seller try to prove me wrong ;-)
Ideal Cars so if a seller will provide receipts and excel with dates, mileage and what has been done as a maintenance history it will be sufficient for you? I’m asking because I want to buy 911 but as you i also like to maintain them myself
Yea just document it with photos and an excel sheet and the next owner should be fine with it. It’s more so when someone says they did something and don’t have any photos, dates, etc. that’s when it becomes suspicious 😒
As much as I would love to own a 911, with all this money repair scare talk about them. I wonder why would anybody put themselves through anxiety of when it will breakdown? I've driven them before and they are fun to drive. I just can't seem to understand the fun to money(repairs) ratio experience if that makes any sense.
Depends, in all cases you should be able to afford one. I have a warranty for most important problems and maybe 2-3k cash per year for unforeseen stuff... And more for the service of course. But its not cheap. But on the other hand your depreciation isnt that much if you compare with other cars I think
Oh yeah i've seen that paint coming off inside a cayman 987 - looked horrible and put me off. Could you tell me more about how it can be made to look new again? Also do any 911 or boxsters suffer with so much play in the gearstick like the cayman 987?
Service records mean very little. I’ve worked with many people who just throw the new parts in the garbage. Sometimes the car never even comes into the shop. That’s only dealership experience. I’d bet privately owned is a different story.
They did not introduce a "stronger" IMS bearing for the 997.2's. They installed a larger one which arguably did not solve the issue. The cause for the IMS issues, is due to like you said "garage queens" or ones both not driven and non regular oil changes. Once rancid oil gets into the intermediate shaft it is a matter of time until it eats at the backside of the bearing. 997.1's you can replace the IMS without dropping the motor and splitting the block. The 997.2's with the large IMS means the its an engine out job to replace them. Also bore scoring is an issue, not blown out of proportion imo. Just the same as getting the over-rev report if you can see evidence of bore scoring, well you know to steer clear. Also (I'm a 997tt owner) and I found out even though the mezger is bespoke, it still can suffer from bore scoring. Who'd-a thought...
Can anyone expand on refurbishing the interior rubberized paint? I have a 2011, and it’s looking worse for wear. Where do I find a specialist, and what should I expect to pay?
DYI six coil packs in an hour and $100.00? No way, not a chance in hell. I call B.S. I bought a new 997.2, have done plugs/coil packs several times and your statement clearly shows you have never done this. I doubt you've ever turned a wrench on the car.
A hundred bucks and one hour DYI for coil pack change? I don't think so. Especially if you change out the plugs at the same time which would be the right thing to do. Nice content tho
Did you buy the 2009?? I’m looking at a 2008 911/4 coupe with 74000 miles on it. It’s at a car lot not a dealership of any kind. This part tells me that a dealership didn’t bid on it!! Why? I have only seen pictures of the 911 so far. I’m going to take a ride and give it a once over. If I like it. Then I’ll take it out and run it through the gears some. Oh, it is an automatic paddle shift car. I’m old so I’m not a 6 speed guy anymore. I had 3 Acura NSX’s in my garage at one time. 1999T, 2002t, 2005t. They were all 6 speeds. (Different car through) Are you in America. I’m in California.
Hey thanks for the video and tips. I would love to know wher to get the roof rack system you have. Tried searching but no luck. Is it seasucker? Thanks!
@@ltsgarage7780 kind of. It's not an off the shelf kit, they custom built the rear end. The "front" part of this setup uses the factory rear bar in the proper factory rear bar position. And the "rear" part of this setup uses seasucker mounts on the back glass with a custom rig/elevated bar. One of their earlier vids shows how the fabricated it. They did an awesome job.
@@ltsgarage7780 I don't know which box that is but there are a lot of nice options out there that will compliment the lines of the 997. I prefer Thule boxes myself.
Ideal Media I’m looking at a 2008 911/4 coupe not an S! My problem is that the Porsche dealership is 50 plus miles away. What am I looking for at first site??
I have a 2007 997 turbo. 23k miles. Had it since day 1. How do you get the rubberized interior parts refurbished? Also- how do I add apple CarPlay to it. It has the 2007 factory Bose system. No CD changer. Thank you for your help in advance.
Any intel on oil consumption? Usually like doing my oil changes every 3k miles. I am at around 3800 and noticed my oil level was low. 1 quart and it filled it back up to the full level. Is this anything I need to worry about?
I know for the turbo that is pretty common consumption. I go through a little more than that if I am driving really hard. I'm assuming mobil 1 0w40? If you are tired of consumption a lot of people have switched to motul xcess or liquimoly and the consumption basically ends
Looking at a 06 997 Carrera S. 30 k on clock... car is immaculate ..... someone loved this car .... clear bra on nose, mirrors .... interior factory fresh except the temp controls and a minor split in door armrest cover .... they are option factory aluminum look in silver ... color is GT silver .... 106 k car as new ..... here is problem .... car fax shows nothing !! Except yearly registration and mileage notation ... not even a delivering dealer ? I spoke with PNA and they subtly told me who dealer was ... which is region car is still in ... dealer refuses to release a drop of history on car or that it sold it .... no recalls on vechicke or warranty work done according to Porsche ... it’s like a Virgin .... HELP ... what to do ? Please respond .. I have 24 hours to decide ... my gut tells me car is perfect ... a sleeper ...
The stronger IMS was factory fitted from January 2005 cars. Engine numbers:- 3.6 M96 can have both Up to M96/05 69507475 has the smaller IMS M96/05 69507476 on has the larger bearing The S 3.8 can have both as well Up to M97/01 68509790 has the smaller IMS M97/0168509791 on has the larger IMS
Your “knowing how to drive one” clip early in this video is misleading. All driving schools will emphasize smoothness. While your clip is dramatic and exhilarating, it is absolutely not the correct way to corner any car. It’s hard on the equipment and he’ll on the chassis dynamics. Otherwise, a nice video.
Cost is what had me get the 997.1 turbo first. They were essentially at market bottom a year ago. An amazing car. And in 5 years even after driving it often i should be able to sell it for around what i bought it for if not more since they are increasing in value. And after 5 years that will give me $50k+ for a down payment towards a 991.1 turbo and in 5 years that generation should also be near market bottom. Drive great cars for years for free basically
Any high performance car has it's issues. Especially with wear and tear items such as tyres and suspension. You would be wise to factor in a running cost budget each year if you are considering buying a sports or super car. Having said all this, Porsches are notoriously reliable and take a lot of hard driving before things need replacing. If you are considering a 997, think seriously about spending a little more and buying a 997.2. They do have a much more reliable and less complicated engine which to date is proving rather bullet-proof.
Thanks ! But no need no more . I am so confident in my menliness i can drive a corolla . No expensive services just changing the oil and fluids and brake pads and ride it to the ½million mi mark . But nice to see men struggle to upkeep and having to have all kind of headaches to sport these as a substitute for their ...... Well menliness !
Never sing again in a video. That left a mark. Wearing that shirt is just wrong. Unlike my ‘12 GTS. Not looking as good as you think you do in the shirt...lol...
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I honestly wanted to watch the video then i seen u bro and i could not do it. U need to tone it down . that is not a car guy personality.
Just bought my second 2005 997S manual coupe. Put 20k miles on my first car over two years (from 40k-60k). Second one has just over 63k. I say get one with miles; less chance the IMS bearing will go splodey. Get a PPI and check the DME report, get a look under it yourself and make sure there's no RMS leak. Check for brake wear, tire wear, suspension wear as these can add up quick. Common failures are starter wiring harness, coolant overflow bottle, inner tie rods, and ign. coils. Then, go out and drive it! Can't be beaten for the price range.
Corey Kononchuk Don’t spread panic. IMS is a 2K repair and 99,9% of of the vehicles have replaced it on warranty or within the service schedule!
This video is helpful but here is my perspective from first hand experience. First, you can forget about depending on service records. Just because a service was done, that does not mean it was done right. Many mechanics screw up even the basic stuff on a Porsche 911. I was looking at one recently with 'service records' and here's what I found. The 'certified' mechanic put the wrong coolant in the car and he didn't purge the air out of the system- thus causing it to leak coolant. He also put in the wrong oil for the oil change and did not use a good filter. He also did not change the crush washer. New tires were put on but they had the wrong pressure all around causing the car to drift to one side. The water pump was changed with a rebuilt one. He should have put in a new one. This car was a mess and yet it had a recent service record. I would have preferred that the car was left original with no work done on it at all. Next the PPI inspection is not all that helpful either. Will it tell you when the engine or transmission is ready to blow. No. Will it tell you when you will have a leak. No. There is a lot that it won't tell you. Furthermore, I won't even let a buyer take my Porsche for a PPI because the last time I did that it came back with a spark plug tube leak. As for the IMS failure, I have yet to see a failed one in my 30 years of Porsche 911 ownership. And finally, if someone were to ask me which 911 I would recommend. That would be easy: get a 1999 911 with rear wheel drive and no options. It has a dual row IMS bearing, it's easy to fix and very little can go wrong because you have no options. That is the best bang for the buck.Period.
The failed IMS bearing began with the first water cooled engines in the 996 and Boxters. It carried over into the early 997 as mentioned in the video. They absolutely do fail, somewhere between 3% and 5% of cars, which is outrageous for the supposedly reliable Supercar. I test drove one that had blown and been rebuilt. The owner had only had it for 2 months when it went bang. It cost £14,000 to put right, so beware.
mac daddy thanks for the info... which model do you refer to... is the Carrera the base model?
D J I don’t think you know that around 10% failure of all manufactured 996s of which around 8% were fixed after the legal action against Porsche. Further to that some of the remaining 0.002% have been replaced by owners or independents plus many of the fixed cars have had their IMS bearing replaced several times due to the Internet sellers trying to generate income.
Further to this the reason Porsche changed from a dual row to single row bearing was due to the dual row snapping timing chains. On the early 996/986 these items should be considered long term serviceable items as they will eventually snap if not replaced after anywhere over 60,000 miles (on the safe side) certainly by around 80,000 miles.
In summary:
You can fix the IMS but it probably won’t need to be done, let’s say for peace of mind, because of the commercial effort in solving the issue.
You cannot stop a timing chain from snapping unless you limit your use of the car or change them out every 5+ years.
Reality is your extremely unlikely to suffer an IMS failure unless you don’t do maintenance and you store the vehicle for long periods, say over winter or 6 months. Also if you only drive every other weekend or so over short distances say 20 minute journeys. These cars, the older they get, the more they need to be driven.
FINALLY very important NEVER BUY A 996/986/997/987 ridiculously low mileage because whatever the mileage is, the vehicle is still as old as it is. It will have parts on it which are way beyond their working life and they are almost certainly going to have IMS issues I could tell you why but that’s a whole different essay and I’ve typed enough.
Edd Herring Good point.
How does failure to bleed cause a leak? And the crush washer rarely actually needs to be replaced...I have seen them reused several times without issue.
Great information ! Music in the ears to a DIY 997 expert ! Well Done ! My 997.1 Carerra S have now 93000 miles on the clock! No problems!
Why do I dislike this guy.. could just be his hair cut... Love 997 though!
Should I hawk it?!? 😘
I think because his stuff is all very theoritical and "best case scenario" and just literally regurgitate old information.
The hair🤯
yes, every car enthusiast should have a chance to drive a 911, the 993 turbo manual clutch is my dream...
Hi Ideal Cars! Great video again and very specific about certain problems. I will definitely use this video as a reference point. Fully agree that the 911 is a car you just must own as a car enthusiast at some point. In fact, I'm looking around for one at this point and also made a video similar to yours about the 997 values. The bottom of the market is, in my opinion, quite close. The Carrera 4 Cabriolet is in fact already increasing steadily in values. With the right detective work, you can get yourself a car which will still last for years without losing money on it. Keep it up.
99 996 owner. 86k on clock, 2nd clutch, coolant Tank, IMS, AOS, Tranny replaced( Pinion bearings bad) Water pump impeller , Oil pressure sending unit, Coils, plugs, Bore scope cylinders (Pass) Shocks Bilstein- BSS10 Coil overs. and on and On. Great Content. Keep Posting.
I love my 997.2. These are all great tips. I passed on a beautiful 997.2 from another PCA member after I got the over rev report. Couldn’t believe how bad that was. Coil packs and removing the front number for cleaning is an easy DIY. Great information and I’m now a subscriber!
iMS bearing?
IMS bearing design changed mid 05. Forget the date. Had an 06 after the date, no issues. Keep the oil changed, even if it’s sitting. Kept it 2.5 years. I do miss that car. May get another.
Bore scoring is not over exaggerated if buying an 997.1 make sure you get the the cylinders boroscoped , so many of the cars with engine re builds its unreal !
Fake news. Not as prevalent as you suggest. It’s not that it doesn’t occur but the way you suggest is that it occurs on every 997.1
i've owned 2 911's. a built a 99 and a 01 bith rebuilt salvage. more than 1 years ago. love the car
Amen my brotha. Get em while they’re still affordable. Value will either hold or go up.
I LOVE my 997 911! Such a great car! Thanks for watching and the support!
Its pumped
I've had a 993 3.8 for the last 10 years. I was eyeing a 997 GT3 phase 1 (don't want centerlocks) but can't let go of the 993. I love too much
Both great cars. I roll with a lot of air cooled guys, and had a 85 3.2 Carrera myself before the 997. The .1 GT3's are awesome, and without centerlocks you have a lot more options for wheels.Thanks for watching! Appreciate the support!
If I had a 993 I wouldn’t let it go either...so got a 997 S Mark II Cab and I am seriously enjoying it...😃
Ditto! On the best car ever! I own a 2015 Ferrari Italia and I still enjoy my 2007 GT3 way more often and so much more enjoyable
997.1 GT3! Fantastic car! Very analogue, and extremely fun to drive! Good to know you enjoy both your F car and Peanut! Because they are both Ideal Cars!
I own a 993 and I almost bought a one-owner low mileage 1999 Ferrari 550 Maranello (I love the style) to add to the garage, but things didn't work out. Unfortunate, as I think Ferrari styling and the sound is heavenly. So I bought a 2015 911 Carrea 4 GTS. Back when I bought my 993 (and I am a Porsche nut since I was ten), I looked at Ferraris, but as an Italian friend of mine who was born and lives in Italy and one that owned a car parts business once told me, "Ferraris are beautiful to look at, but if you want a real sports car, buy a Porsche". His words, not mine, so I bought the 993 which I still own and will not sell.
Love reading the comments, you can tell the armchair mechanics straight away,only comment if you experienced a taste of 997s good and not so good points, one thing is fact if you drive one for a while it all falls into place its performance, it’s looks, etc is not a cheap car to run
When I got mine I knew about the turbo coolant issues that I would have to take care of. Expensive. But besides that the car is rock solid
997 the best value 911 out there.
Jaybee Eff 996 turbo is
veeco3110 , the 996 turbo is an appreciating classic and possibly worth having but many people couldn’t afford to maintain one properly.
If I wanted a value 996 I’d be trying to find a GT3.
I’m not comparing models, I’m talking series, the 997 is the best value 911 at this time.
Depends on the trim.
My 997 turbo 6 speed with 21k miles wasnt cheap
Absolutely agree! Look it’s not about arguing models. It’s that the 997 is currently the most affordable model.
Ricer Hunter sounds like a great bargain to me because it is a stick shift. Prices will sky rocketing soon. Cheers
I've enjoyed this "series" of videos in particular. Lots of great information condensed into a pretty concise video. One regulatory hiccup I've encountered in the U.S. researching cars is that dealerships are apparently prohibited from giving you service records or talking to you about a car unless you can prove you own it (unless it's for sale at that particular dealership). Which is unfortunate because all of that information would be most useful *before* I own a car. 'Not sure if that's the same in other countries or not.
Thanks man! And you're 100% on with getting the service records. Usually you can find someone willing to dish over the info... it just takes some time. With my last m3 I bought, I called 3 BMW dealerships and finally got someone to give me the service history. The first two wouldn't because I wasn't the owner.
If there's a will there's a way! Thanks again for supporting the channel!
Although there is that regulatory hiccup, I’ve found that if you call a service advisor at the dealership where the car is been normally maintained and be forthcoming that the car is for sale and you’re interested in it’s service history, the advisor will usually share it.
great advice, great looking 911. I will have one in the next five years, not new.. but mine.
Don't forget about the coolant crossover pipes and the large coolant pipes the feed the engine block
4:11 As for the black sooted exhaust tips, maybe. I noticed that on my "Direct Injection" 2015 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS that I bought used with CPO from my local Porsche dealer in 2018 with a mere 98 miles (157 km) had black sooted tips after I put some miles on it and to this day. One would think with O2 sensors an engine would run ultra clean, but my exhaust pipes were lightly sooted. Now I do drive at normal highway speeds and I did break the engine in as per the Owner's Manual. I did some reading and it appears that "Direct Injection" engines soot the exhaust tips. Now at about 6000 miles with no oil consumption, the engine is fine as it always has been since day one.
Great video! I’ve been wanting a 997 for years! I plan on doing a wide body to it with a wing and skybox
Maybe we could be twins! Was thinking the same thing!
Why have the “BUYER BEWARE” part of your video? You should have it say
“BUYER BEWARE”
(for a good time!)
Haha EXACTLY!
I found a random parking ticket on my radiator lol
Thanks 🙏🏽 I just Purchased a 2009 C4S ,yes your was the best on You Tube 😈
Great channel. The narrator actually sounds knowledgable!
great video really informative and well presented, I'm looking out for a nice 997
Excellent. Am moving toward getting a 997. Great info here....
Thanks for the video, it is very helpful for the enthusiasts whose dream is to have a 997 ❤️
Great video. Thank you! Quick question: how would you recommend addressing the rubberized paint wear on the temp and fan buttons? You are correct - it's horrible on the eyes.
Thanks! Honestly look it up in google. There’s a couple companies that specialize in redoing rubberized paint and it’ll look as good as new 💪🏻
I use a product from Car Guys called Plastic Restorer, on my interior black switches, also on the black side pieces by the side mirrors and on the front black plastic piece by the wipers. You might have to apply once or twice to begin with and touch up a bit, but it really works. My 997.1 interior pieces were really looking faded and this product made a big difference in bringing back the black color. I used q-tips when applying product in the interior and I also applied it to the black A/C vents, both sides, and that made a difference as well. This will not help for paint issues, but it really worked on my faded black switches and parts. Hope this helps.
Go to the Porsche dealer and don’t be cheap if you drive a Porsche
Very good information !! Music in the ears to a DIY expert on the 997 ! Well done !
Good info my man. Buy a scanner and look for the IMS listing. KUDOS!
What’s the max amount of miles you would purchase a 997 with?
Depends on maintenance and price. On a turbo i wouldn't hesitate to get one with 100k miles
Rather funny that the bill shown has screws and bolts listed as replacement items, I work on large commercial engines and we do replace hardware if its not damaged, that would be a huge waste of money. Somehow Porsche people think you need to do that.
I think that was the best video you’ve ever made
Thanks! You've convinced me!
Good f job man! Drive it like it supposed to 🤟
Annoying start aside, great video. Very informative, thank you!
nice , thanks for sharing these information!
I love your effort and drive. the content is super polished and i can appreciate the craftsman mentality. Your growth is coming on nicely. looking forward to more of the great work.
Excellent content
The 997.1 is troubling in that the IMS bearing is internal to the engine block. Sounds like $$$$ to get it changed.
Ideal. I’m just starting to look at 911.2. I’ve found a pretty clean 74000 miles 911/4 for a reasonable price (I think anyways)
What should I look for the hardest??
I know to open th car in every angle. Take a good look in the radiators up front. What else should I check with my own eyes before I have it gone over by a professional???
Thanks, you are the best. All great advice!
Very good advice I’ve had a 986 boxter for about a year now I had the oil and filter changed right away and inspected the filter for debris and it was clean, luckily it was a 1 previous owner that had it regularly serviced at every interval at the dealership where he purchased ive had no problems with the car apart from the rms which the dealer paid for to replace he even paid for a new clutch while it was out this was done as well, so overall a good experience.
On the one hand you’re saying that maintenance history is important but on the other hand you’re doing all your maintenance yourself, so how do these methods align?
No matter where you get your maintenance done you want to make sure it’s documented. All the maintenance we do is billed thru Travs business to keep a trail. The way I look at it as any repairs not documented with a receipt didn’t happen. Then I let the seller try to prove me wrong ;-)
Ideal Cars so if a seller will provide receipts and excel with dates, mileage and what has been done as a maintenance history it will be sufficient for you?
I’m asking because I want to buy 911 but as you i also like to maintain them myself
Yea just document it with photos and an excel sheet and the next owner should be fine with it. It’s more so when someone says they did something and don’t have any photos, dates, etc. that’s when it becomes suspicious 😒
As much as I would love to own a 911, with all this money repair scare talk about them. I wonder why would anybody put themselves through anxiety of when it will breakdown? I've driven them before and they are fun to drive. I just can't seem to understand the fun to money(repairs) ratio experience if that makes any sense.
Depends, in all cases you should be able to afford one. I have a warranty for most important problems and maybe 2-3k cash per year for unforeseen stuff... And more for the service of course. But its not cheap. But on the other hand your depreciation isnt that much if you compare with other cars I think
Understanding the potential failures and cost and then saving for them if they happen is the way to go.
Great review! Had no idea 911s had those issues
Oh yeah i've seen that paint coming off inside a cayman 987 - looked horrible and put me off. Could you tell me more about how it can be made to look new again? Also do any 911 or boxsters suffer with so much play in the gearstick like the cayman 987?
Surely any dealer with half an ounce if sense will clean the exhaust tips to death to stop the left vs right sut thing!
Who can refurbish the rubberized soft touch paint on the AC and other knobs?
Service records mean very little. I’ve worked with many people who just throw the new parts in the garbage. Sometimes the car never even comes into the shop. That’s only dealership experience. I’d bet privately owned is a different story.
Yeah, I'm just trying to show that if you do your due diligence, owning something like a 911 can be a fantastic ownership experience!
All 997.1’s came with stronger IMS
Coolant tank leak, water pump, alternator, ignition switch, coils, IMS, RMS, AOS.
All the suspension, brakes and tyres!
They did not introduce a "stronger" IMS bearing for the 997.2's. They installed a larger one which arguably did not solve the issue. The cause for the IMS issues, is due to like you said "garage queens" or ones both not driven and non regular oil changes. Once rancid oil gets into the intermediate shaft it is a matter of time until it eats at the backside of the bearing. 997.1's you can replace the IMS without dropping the motor and splitting the block. The 997.2's with the large IMS means the its an engine out job to replace them.
Also bore scoring is an issue, not blown out of proportion imo. Just the same as getting the over-rev report if you can see evidence of bore scoring, well you know to steer clear. Also (I'm a 997tt owner) and I found out even though the mezger is bespoke, it still can suffer from bore scoring. Who'd-a thought...
ShatterPoints wrong! The 997.2 does not have a larger or stronger IMS bearing, it has no IMS bearing.The engine was completely redesigned.
@@Gazza3501 you're right, I should have used dates instead of the .2 MY
997, 2 did not have an ims shaft it is a complete different engine
Can anyone expand on refurbishing the interior rubberized paint? I have a 2011, and it’s looking worse for wear. Where do I find a specialist, and what should I expect to pay?
If you haven't taken care of this you can actually just buy new parts. A few different places offer them
DYI six coil packs in an hour and $100.00? No way, not a chance in hell. I call B.S. I bought a new 997.2, have done plugs/coil packs several times and your statement clearly shows you have never done this. I doubt you've ever turned a wrench on the car.
Maybe 2 hours?! I don’t know I was also filming a DIY - th-cam.com/video/UpupGWviCSc/w-d-xo.html
Steve Lorenzen the mechanic has orange hair 🤔 I think you're right
A hundred bucks and one hour DYI for coil pack change? I don't think so. Especially if you change out the plugs at the same time which would be the right thing to do. Nice content tho
I like to see a I deal video on the lexus sc300
Another great video!!
I have a 2006 9k miles, should it be reliable?
When was the last year of the menzer engine? Is that the one you want to get if possible? Looking at an 09. Love this video. Thanks.
Did you buy the 2009??
I’m looking at a 2008 911/4 coupe with 74000 miles on it. It’s at a car lot not a dealership of any kind. This part tells me that a dealership didn’t bid on it!! Why?
I have only seen pictures of the 911 so far. I’m going to take a ride and give it a once over. If I like it. Then I’ll take it out and run it through the gears some. Oh, it is an automatic paddle shift car. I’m old so I’m not a 6 speed guy anymore. I had 3 Acura NSX’s in my garage at one time. 1999T, 2002t, 2005t. They were all 6 speeds. (Different car through)
Are you in America. I’m in California.
bro you look like mac from sunny.
Would you guys trade a 997 C4s for a 991 C4s ?
I have a 991.1 c4 and its amazing. But I dont know the 997..
looking to purchase a 2007 911 .with 23000 miles.. there is mention on this video that low mileage car may be prone to IMS issues.. is this correct?
waiting for the 2019 (992) model to get it used...see you in 4 years Porsche.
It’s a 2020 model
Hey thanks for the video and tips. I would love to know wher to get the roof rack system you have. Tried searching but no luck. Is it seasucker? Thanks!
Did you ever find the Roof Rack???
@@ltsgarage7780 kind of. It's not an off the shelf kit, they custom built the rear end. The "front" part of this setup uses the factory rear bar in the proper factory rear bar position. And the "rear" part of this setup uses seasucker mounts on the back glass with a custom rig/elevated bar. One of their earlier vids shows how the fabricated it. They did an awesome job.
@@ltsgarage7780 here's the vid with the build:
th-cam.com/video/mmNDNiZUhHI/w-d-xo.html
claudiovw thank you. I have all the tools in my shop to make this roof rack.
What is the name of the box (on top of the car?) itself
@@ltsgarage7780 I don't know which box that is but there are a lot of nice options out there that will compliment the lines of the 997. I prefer Thule boxes myself.
GDPR will kill any dealership telling you about the owner in the UK 😕
Great information sir
Very interesting, thanks! Quick question: the pre-purchasing inspection has to be performed by a Porsche mechanics?
Yeah you’d want to find someone that has experience with the 911 you’re getting a ppi on.
I recommend either having a Porsche dealer do it or a well known Porsche independent mechanic. You want someone that knows these cars to look it over.
Ideal Media I’m looking at a 2008 911/4 coupe not an S!
My problem is that the Porsche dealership is 50 plus miles away.
What am I looking for at first site??
I have a 2007 997 turbo. 23k miles. Had it since day 1. How do you get the rubberized interior parts refurbished? Also- how do I add apple CarPlay to it. It has the 2007 factory Bose system. No CD changer. Thank you for your help in advance.
You would add apple CarPlay by changing the infotainment system, the screen thingy where you go into settings and junk
No. That rubberized paint, faux finish garbage was not used in all mid-2000's cars.. It was used in all GERMAN mid 2000's cars.
Any intel on oil consumption? Usually like doing my oil changes every 3k miles. I am at around 3800 and noticed my oil level was low. 1 quart and it filled it back up to the full level. Is this anything I need to worry about?
I know for the turbo that is pretty common consumption. I go through a little more than that if I am driving really hard. I'm assuming mobil 1 0w40? If you are tired of consumption a lot of people have switched to motul xcess or liquimoly and the consumption basically ends
Are 997.2 DFI engines susceptible to bore scoring?
Yes, but not in the same proportion as the 997.1.
Looking at a 06 997 Carrera S. 30 k on clock... car is immaculate ..... someone loved this car .... clear bra on nose, mirrors .... interior factory fresh except the temp controls and a minor split in door armrest cover .... they are option factory aluminum look in silver ... color is GT silver .... 106 k car as new ..... here is problem .... car fax shows nothing !! Except yearly registration and mileage notation ... not even a delivering dealer ? I spoke with PNA and they subtly told me who dealer was ... which is region car is still in ... dealer refuses to release a drop of history on car or that it sold it .... no recalls on vechicke or warranty work done according to Porsche ... it’s like a Virgin .... HELP ... what to do ? Please respond .. I have 24 hours to decide ... my gut tells me car is perfect ... a sleeper ...
Really want to buy 3 t shirts but don't want to spend $150 AUD for 3 :(
How much do they go for like 30k
Are 1999 911 pretty good sorry
People who own 911's are really cool.
Sorry but did you watch your own vid?
Don't ever sing in public again.
Ideal: he is a good man, Bro
BOOOM!!
The stronger IMS was factory fitted from January 2005 cars.
Engine numbers:-
3.6 M96 can have both
Up to M96/05 69507475 has the smaller IMS
M96/05 69507476 on has the larger bearing
The S 3.8 can have both as well
Up to M97/01 68509790 has the smaller IMS
M97/0168509791 on has the larger IMS
So upgrading the entertainment center could you list some of those many options... 2011 911 GTS
Buy a Porsche, bring lots money for maintenance. Any Questions? LOL Yes an old air cooled 911.
Your “knowing how to drive one” clip early in this video is misleading. All driving schools will emphasize smoothness. While your clip is dramatic and exhilarating, it is absolutely not the correct way to corner any car. It’s hard on the equipment and he’ll on the chassis dynamics. Otherwise, a nice video.
Carbon on exhaust tips not relevant DFI engines do this, listen to the motor rather a knocking noise like a loud tappet sound is the give away.
An oily left side exhaust tip is the pointer to borescoreing
Intro too slow for me, sorry
skip the first 1m 20s
Why not go for the 991 :)
Cost is what had me get the 997.1 turbo first. They were essentially at market bottom a year ago. An amazing car. And in 5 years even after driving it often i should be able to sell it for around what i bought it for if not more since they are increasing in value. And after 5 years that will give me $50k+ for a down payment towards a 991.1 turbo and in 5 years that generation should also be near market bottom. Drive great cars for years for free basically
@@sutherlacd27 yeah, thats a good way.
It's not worth the headache
I love Porsche and I know they make good cars but geez these defects make me wanna stay away...
They honestly are great cars. This video is just to go over some of the main issues they could have. But overall they are pretty bulletproof!
Any high performance car has it's issues. Especially with wear and tear items such as tyres and suspension. You would be wise to factor in a running cost budget each year if you are considering buying a sports or super car. Having said all this, Porsches are notoriously reliable and take a lot of hard driving before things need replacing. If you are considering a 997, think seriously about spending a little more and buying a 997.2. They do have a much more reliable and less complicated engine which to date is proving rather bullet-proof.
Buy a 997.2 and you won't have to worry about most of the MAJOR issues covered in this video.
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Thanks ! But no need no more . I am so confident in my menliness i can drive a corolla . No expensive services just changing the oil and fluids and brake pads and ride it to the ½million mi mark . But nice to see men struggle to upkeep and having to have all kind of headaches to sport these as a substitute for their ...... Well menliness !
For people that track their cars, a corolla won't cut it
If you aren’t a performance enthusiast you will never get it
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Never sing again in a video. That left a mark. Wearing that shirt is just wrong. Unlike my ‘12 GTS. Not looking as good as you think you do in the shirt...lol...