I've been using fentanyl for almost 2 years an im about to start the 3-4 day program ,,im sick an tired of it,,please pray for me,,,ill keep u posted on my progress,,
Man, I see you haven’t posted an update. My advice the bigger the habit the longer you stretch the micro dose schedule out. The slower you take it the less chance of uncomfort and WD you will have.
@vbsyn47 any update ? I’ve been addicted for about 5 years one point of time smoking more than 120 pills in a day and I’m so tired of being useless and just wasting my life away tryna numb pain that will never go away ! I will get sober for the new year pray to god for me and bless everyone that’s going through any tough/hard/ sad/bad times hope everyone has a merry Christmas
Hey y'all! User since 4/2020 sober since 6/2023 writing this 12/21/23. If you can get on methadone that's the best thing you can do if you have a strong mind but weak body. Get to a clinic get set up with them when you take your first dose wait 4-5 hours see how sick you get after and try to do that everytime you dose ( yes you can use in hours leading up to dose or the parking lot before you walk in idgaf be smart tho) when you're on methadone for about a week or two try to cut down on fent. I got sober on methadone in less than two weeks at 60mg ( I had expected to need up to 150-200mg since I could smoke a 100 pack like nothing without falling out. I went into the clinic on a Friday took my dose at the clinic and then got my two weekend doses to take home and bring back empty Monday. They prescribed me cyclobezeipine and clonidine to get me through the initial withdrawl and then Zofran for stomach cramp/nausea I only woke up to take more prescriptions as recommended on the bottle and my daily dose of methadone on Monday I came into the clinic for dose and was feeling pretty good. I'm currently at 120mg and I move up about 5-10mg a month or so just to stay comfortable. My wife has been on same time and dose as me and still isn't clean I don't blame her one bit it's not easy but if you supply yourself with the right medications it can be manageable instead of near impossible
I love how honest you are about this. So many doctors will straight up get mad at you if you bring up the bernese method. I think for heroin waiting a day to induce isnt so bad. But fentanyl is a diff anaimal.. no way all these addicts will go through fent wds for a full week before being induced. During wds you cant even sleep so the nights are the hardest when all u want to do is sleep but you feel like youre being punished for every single bad thing youve done in your life.
Dude. You're not kidding about the insomnia. I just finally kicked fentanyl (hopefully for good this time), but I had to do it by taking 2 suboxone straps 36 hours after my last dose. It threw me into intense precipitated withdrawal. But that only lasts about 2-3. I mean it's intense agony, but worth it to me just just get it done and over with. But now I'm good, don't have the urge to spend 70%-80% of my salary just to feel normal and not dope sick. Feels like a curse has been lifted or something.
@@denimdan908 So your PWD only lasted 2-3 hours? I had done something similar. Quit for 48 hours then took 2mg sub and went absolutely bonkers so I pulled myself out of PWD because I heard it could last days...
I've been fighting my addiction for over 4 years and came across this video and I just want to thank you for all the work that you're doing!! I have no medical insurance and I will be trying this method out, so I'll keep you posted on how it goes. I'm crying as I'm writing this because I literally have no one to run to for help and no where to turn to. I just want to get control of my life again and be happy. It's been so hard but this gave me some hope that I can do it. Thank you so much!!!
Me to 4 years you tube the bridge electric earpiece treatment watch that video come back here let me know your thoughts the best thing I have done is I've tapered I used 4 times in 13 days you don't know how bad you felt until you feel better the only thing that's been helping me is kratom but I do not enjoy fent no more I'm on the verge of of being a human again I also want to try Suboxone do me a favor and look at the bridge electric ear pice tho
I was clean for 3 years Was on oxy for years Last 6 months was fentayl I had three years clean And around January I relapsed cuz of subs I was taking subs and couldn’t find any so got oxy Then end up grabbing the fakes And now it’s Monday and I haven’t had fentayl since Saturday But bought 60 oxy 10mg Got 10 left And still can’t sleep and cold and hot Sweats Im just trying to get the fentayl out of me and then start these subs I have I have to get clean again So depressed and ashamed of myself Nobody knows my problem and loosing close people to me cuz I had to just cut everybody off Have three kids and have them 4 days a week They go to their moms tonite Im thinking since won’t have them til Friday Take all the oxy tonite and start on the subs tomorrow nite I did this once I’ll do it again Just sucks doing stuff alone Especialy dope sickness Idk Good luck to everybody and I’ll keep all of us in my prayers
@@YLNT thank you I haven’t slept once yet I’m hoping this weekend I’ll get sleep But man I feel so much better It’s the first 2-3 days people can’t handle But if you force yourself and keep asking god for the strength he’ll grant you your wishes Thank you for your prayers
I understand your struggle. You Are not alone. I can feel your pain. Praying your back on subs safely. Fent is a whole new ballgame. But no drug is so strong we can't beat it. You can beat this. Your kids are facing same drugs now you see A glimpse of what they will face. You can overcome. You are created for this moment. Thank you for posting. Encouraging.
@@CCC303THIZZ how are you doing now brother? i went thru the same thing before i know how it is, it feels like a journey… one stranger to another im goddamn proud of you.
F bro I feel you 💯. I’m in the same boat. Lmk how you do. I have a female friend who is a doctor and she did ibogaine and has been off for 4 months now. Pretty impressive I’m thinking about trying that. I’ve also got methadone and subs but scared to start bc I can’t work being dope sick. Have to take the fet just to appear normal, it sucks
It's not impossible I just detoxed in jail, after the 80 hr mark you start to feel normal again, don't tell yourself It's impossible or you make it 100x worse for yourself
I’ve had a dealers habit for 7 years now, using 2 to 4 grams of uncut fentanyl & I started to taper myself down to like a .2 a day and kept going down. I felt no withdrawals. If I can do this anyone could. You just have to train your brain to feel disgusted of the drug, and start doing other activities that will keep your mind busy. I wish everyone the best of luck.
How did you feel no withdrawals going from 2-4G down to .2 ? Were you only using 1 times a day or a few times a day when u started to sweat? You could sleep after you stopped fully? No sweats or restless legs?
I'm about to start in a few days quitting this stuff smh please tell me how do you sleep or if any at all..I smoke about .2 grams a day..is it dangerous to quit at home? How were you taking it?
I’ve kicked my addiction, I went broke 🤷🏽. Grew tired of my $2000+ a week salary going to getting high. Came a point where it was get high and be homeless or quit, suffer withdrawal and enjoy life. I chose the latter. May sound sick, but I enjoyed the withdrawal experience like it was a challenge! Been clean 3 yrs
I tried that that protocol with 1/4 mg in a milligram and then 2 mg I took the first milligram and I went straight in the precipitation I almost died I'm telling you this right now because I am so sick I can't stand it I have many hits of Suboxone do I continue to increase the dosage right now or do I have to keep going through this withdrawal
@@charlesgrunenberg5985 You must date on whatever you’re using until you introduced the Suboxone slowly into your system and do an a half is too much to start you need to start with micrograms like take a strip cut it in half and then cut it four more times on 1/2 but it’s important that you stay on whatever you’re using if BBC it’s fentanyl or oxycodone whatever it is heroin and you stay on whatever you’re using until you can actually stop which would take like I said between five and seven days but you have to stay on whatever narcotic you’re on until it kicks in and you don’t wait and start going to withdrawals and then take it no you don’t even go on the withdrawals if you do it righthave
It's weird because you have to get the fetty out of your system in order to take subs but you don't need the subs out of your system to get high off fetty. 🤯
@Nic-no8nf yeah I did and it sucks but once you get you're appetite it's damn near over almost a year clean and I couldn't be happier if I can do it so can you!
@@Whatsthe_dill Thankyou I’m beyond confident I can stay away from it I want a normal life & I want to be healthy. It’s just getting off this garbage. I bought a notepad to write the bags i do and to start tapering myself down tmw but I feel at some point I just need to get it over with. I hope I can find the strength to do it asap. I’m very spiritual so I’m hoping that will get me through the hard parts mentally
It truly is. You feel so proud of yourself and relieved. No more being broke no more stealing no more asking for money. No more waking up worried about the next high. No more waking up feeling like shit. You can start to SEE YOUR KIDS again if you have any. Its a huge accomplishment and its something that took a lot of dedication and discipline and suffering so naturally you feel very proud of yourself in the end 👍
It's not about the "next high" anyone truly addicted knows that it's about staying well because after a while you don't even get high anymore but without it your body goes into withdrawal which is pure H*E*L*L!! People without an addiction to opiates don't, won't, and just can't understand it even if they have witnessed it happening to someone else. Unless you go through it yourself you won't get it. I absolutely hate it when people say "worries about the next high" because it's not even about that. Like first of all there's no waking up because you can't even sleep. We aren't talking about meth or crack here. People without opiate addiction have no place even speaking on it.
I dont even know where to start, these past 3 years of me being hooked on fentanyl went by so fast, man i remember i just started with the blues a.k.a. m-30 and when i couldn't get a high off those anymore, i quickly turned to fentanyl, i just couldn't stand the withdrawals from the m-30 and as soon as i got hooked on fentanyl it was all over, it was like that very first high i got when i did blues except way stronger and i fell in love with it, and after 2 yrs of percs i abused fentanyl for about a year now & i also want to add that i was on the streets that whole entire time, from my late 19's literally all the way till i turned 22, and the only reason i even had to get sober was because i went to jail, and finally after 3 yrs on the streets, i went 2 weeks clean in jail and as soon as i got out i was gifted a trailer from my mom so i was no longer on the streets, and it tears my soul apart to sadly say i relapsed 😭 i just got a job and now i have more money than ive had in a while, and i just started abusing it even more and i just wanna stop and change my life, i feel like god gave me a second opportunity and i dont wanna mess up so im gonna try this and hopefully i change...ill keep updated..
Same bro. Ion like m/30 fentanyl fake blue pill Percocet that’s not even Percocet it’s really fentanyl thass why people die when swallomg it when your supposed to smoke it on foil instead dummy them but when doing straight white fentanyl I felt wayyy better and not that ehwhww nauseous feeling when hitting the m/30 but instead kinda tasted like the m/30 and is wayy much better medication that it’s that “medication” term now hell yeeah. But shi I still do throw up if I smoke too much so I make it last to make it through the night only by tryna do it less in the day time then sleep an if I wake up I juss do sum more to help me sleep and get through the dam impossible forever ass night and then morning thank god when I start struggling to keep up my dum I hate myself habit it’s just like medicine at this point though now sadly. But I’ll get through it I was forced to when I was sent to jail so it’s all in my head but I still can’t get any sleep at first but fuck ahh hell will come and has to be dealt with either way eventually.
I’m 24 and I’ve been addicted to fent for a year.. it’s taken over my life. I’ve struggled with opiate addiction before, twice with two different opioids. I got myself clean, went through withdrawal by myself and didn’t tell a soul. Had nothing to help with pain I just quit cold turkey and felt like I was dying but I was able to get through it. I’ve tried that with fent but I legitimately can’t do anything. I’ve passed out a few times while going through withdrawal. Idk what to do, no one knows I’m addicted to I have no support. I don’t want anyone to know, it would kill my mom. I wish I had one person to talk to who understands. I’ve never done detox or rehab, I’ve never had medical help with addiction or withdrawal and I’m not sure where to start. I’m scared to call a hotline and i don’t know what to expect from the process of detoxing and quitting fent.
I'm 23 I been addicted for 3 years I been to detox at Mexico 3 time 4 month each I been clean for 3 month now I was just tired of it and being lock up tbh so I just came to Mexico bc tbh there no pills here they will kill you if they see you with pills but I'm going back to phoenix soon hope I don't fuck up again 😅
try going to a detox center, you can go to the hospital and they will usually recommend detox clinics for you, or go on google and search for inpatient detox its free at most places with insurance, it sucks to not have anyone to support you , if i were you i would come clean to your parents they will do whaever it takes to help you. detox is the best way to go tho if you cant get thru it at home they will give you comfort meds and after 5 days youll feel better and then they will give you meds to take home
I’m 27 rn, went through my first withdrawal from fent @ 24 [and a few more times since then]. Was doing 1-1.5 g a day, iv & my first time detoxing, I had been using for 9 months. I’ve tried every single way & everything to try and get through withdrawals. Tried showers/baths, bed rest, cold/hot towels, gabapentin, Imodium, kratom, the Bernese method, etc. The Bernese Method is the best thing to do if 1. U have suboxone 2. You can stay strong through it without breaking. It’s not painless but it’s way better than every single other method. Problem is, it’s REALLY hard to mentally stay strong even though the physical pain isn’t as bad. I was only successful ONCE and I still ended up relapsing soon after it. If you haven’t been able to do it by yourself I really really recommend going to detox [even if you don’t have insurance, there are places that will take you]. Even though you’ll get medication, if you’ve been using for a bit, it’s still going to really suck but being in a detox helps bc it kinda helps you stick it out bc you don’t have access to go freaking use, unless you dip out of there. But a lot of ppl end up sticking it out bc they’re too sick to leave. Being in the environment sucks but it’s only 7 days and it’s the best way to do this. I’m just going to be straight up. Unfortunately I’ve been through this alot so if u have questions or need some tips, I got u yo! You can do it even though it seems fckin impossible 🤙🏼💕
It's crazy I was telling people for years that I need to wait at least 72+ hours then take as much subs I can handle over small doses then use fent one or two more times and then use subs again and they'll usually start to work but yeah I won't be getting high because of the bupe but it will make it tolerable if I just try to switch to only subs than it won't work for me. The only way I can ever make this work is go to a detox get dosed after waiting then leave and go to another detox ASAP. It looks like they're finally seeing I wasn't crazy or just trying to use but it's was the only tolerable way I could find.
On the 3rd day of fentanyl withdrawal, you'll feel like you have the worst hangover ever multiplied by 10x, and you got hit by a car, and you're dying from cancer. All at the same time and for 2 or 3 weeks. I've done it 3 times, and it is excruciating and not worth the high fentanyl gives.
OK so I’ve been doing fentanyl ivy for two years and stopped doing IV and now I snored it for about a year and a half been doing it on an off since I was 20 I’m 30 had a few years clean got back on it. Nothings changed since so starting today. Obviously I have to have fitting all to make it through the day or I’m worthless, can’t move can’t sleep can’t go anywhere. But anyways I did a small amount of fentanyl today and took about 0.5 mg of Suboxone at the same time I’m gonna do the same thing every single day until I get enough in my system to where I can just take it and I’m gonna go a day with no fentanyl after day three and just take Suboxone. I hope this works because I have a house and a wife and two dogs and a job and if I can’t go to work, I’ll lose everything
I’m in your exact same shoes I been sick since for three days keep getting burned spent my rent and insurance money all on fake shit trusting people lmk how your week went I got work tmrw too and idk how ima make it I e already been gone from work three days and got like 250 left to my name
Can you please give me an update on how it worked out?! I’m about to do this too. I relapsed and I’m at a month 2-3 sometimes 4 a day. I’ve had days I’ve been able to skip. I would love to hear how it went for you? Cuz I have subs and want to try this
PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU STOP THE FENTANYL AND GO STRAIGHT TO SUBOXONE THAT YOU DONT USE THE ENTIRETY OF THE SUB. TAPER YOURSELF UP AGAIN AND DO IT SLOWLY EVERY 6 HRS. precipitated withdrawal is no joke I thought I was going to die taking a whole sub after using fentanyl a few hrs prior. Start with a 1/16 and another 6hrs later. Max I would start with is 1/8 maybe 3/8 but make sure to slowly work your way up. All love good luck 🤞 you just might be you again and have that clarity you've been dying to have. I know the feeling. Sick and tired of being sick and tired.
I wanna cry typing this right now, I’m on my girlfriend’s account. I’ve been using for 2 years, everyday, well sometimes I’d go through withdraws for like 2 days until I get more. It gets worse every time. I literally do anything to get high and spend all our money on it. I’m so scared to quit, cause of the withdrawals. Please help me please I wanna stop I’m tired of this.
The problem with opiates is you can’t quit without going through hell…. The hell only last a few days if you do it right. Get yourself a 8mg Suboxone & if you take 1/3 each day for 3 days & you take loperimide for your diarrhea & then you just need to stay hydrated & keep your mind occupied for the few days. By Thursday or Friday you’ll feel much better & be free from the physical sickness… you may not feel the best but the hard part will be over & you’ll be able to manage everything else with Tylenol… Tylenol is also great during withdrawal & magnesium & condone & melatonin
@@russiachinanorthkoreastatetv I want to try Suboxone, I’m so scared of the withdraws, I literally lay down ALL DAY AND NIGHT literally not once do I get up until I get more. I don’t eat or anything. Fucking sucks rehabs isn’t free or willing to help someone out who can’t afford it or insurance
So I’ve noticed that a lot of you’s do not know how to follow directions no where in this video does he say to wait hours before taking the suboxone 🤦🏽♀️ the point is to keep using the fentanyl while taking the suboxone . When you wake up in the morning take the fentanyl first and then take the suboxone I waited about 15 minutes before taking the suboxone after taking the fentanyl and right after taking the suboxone I took a little more fentanyl. I noticed that when I take the suboxone first thing in the morning without taking the fentanyl first I start to feel withdrawal symptoms so take the fentanyl first in the morning before taking the suboxone I’ve noticed a lot of us wondered what to take first and no one would answer so here is my outlook on it. I hope this helps and remember we can do this GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL
Btw check my comment. You did it wrong and you didnt follow directions btw. You were experiencing precipitated withdrawal after using the Suboxone so soon after fetty. U then had to use more fentanyl to overcome what could've been what feels like the flu x1000 if u had no fentanyl after the sub so soon after using an opioid. You wait about 6 hours using, then do a 1/16 of 8mg sub, then another 6 and one more 1/16 then another 6 and switch to 1/8 and so on. You MUST wait at least 24 hrs in my opinion to do this successfully without anymore fentanyl after the original use. You can also do it the other way and do small fentanyl amounts once at night but always wait until morning to start tapering slowly up on your sub/bup dose. Any questions feel free I've done it multiple times myself successfully without getting sick and having to do more fentanyl after the sub
This is exciting because I was at a facility where I detoxed and at the 48-hour I was in such grueling pain it was indescribable... they only gave me lucemyra and it did not do the job I was absolutely beside myself at the 48th hour I was in such pain I had to leave the facility anyway thank you for putting this up doctor
Look up advanced rapid detox they got me off fent in 4 days w no withdrawal ! They sedate you for 24 hours and flush it all out of your system then they give you a vivitrol shot while your under and it blocks your receptors so you don’t have cravings like I literally went to sleep woke up and was good! Now I’m 25 days sober and I’m just trying to save lives w this info!
Don’t feel bad my -my friend-went to two detoxes in the last month and a half in the first one they had to leave at day seven because that’s when they finally went to full withdrawal when everything let go and there is nothing at the detox that they can give my friend so they had to go use on the second one they weren’t for 10 days went to full withdrawal on the eighth day, but was still locked in for the last two days. Had to get out and use again if the last detox I just kept my friend on Ativan for the last four days of the detox maybe my friend could’ve went to rehab, or even stayed another week on Ativan until they were completely off but now these motherfuckers and these detoxes are just collecting money and acting like it’s heroin what part of lipophilic like methadone they don’t get it beyond me. My advice to people is, unless you have talked specifically to the doctor and know exactly what the protocol is and what they have on board for when you go into actual withdrawal. Don’t even bother going to detox. It’s just a torture session.
Yep. Terrible. I felt like I was crawling out of my skin for almost a week. Felt like I had a skin allergy/sensitivity. & sleep was nonexistent. Worst thing I think I’ve ever been through.
I have been on 50mcg fentanyl patch for 17 yrs as well which was always prescribed by a pain management dr. I was always offered 5mg oxycodon each month for breakthrough pain , which I never took. I want off of this so bad, but I know how bad WD’s are and I’m seriously scared. I’ve never taken any street drugs. I’m 56 and single mom who has had horrible pain for a good part of my life. This is so overwhelming and so scary knowing that my dr has no idea how to get me off. I know his plan would be to go down on my mcg’s of fentanyl and I just know that will not work. I’m also terrified that I will go through horrible withdrawal,anxiety and depression and will not be able to take care of myself or my daughter. I would love to be able to discuss how u did this successfully. I’ve been having anxiety for months with this on my mind. I’m at the point that I’m barely functioning in life bc I’m so worried. I’m so happy to hear that you have gotten free from this hell. No dr should be giving this med to any patient except maybe a terminal cancer patient, but I think there are other ways they deal with that.
Wow congratulations. I hope you're doing well. You did this actual method and had good results? I'm assuming it was medically prescribed because of how long you were on it? Or am I wrong and it was street fentanyl? I don't know if that'd make a difference but just asking for clarification. Thank you in advance. Keep fighting!!!
@@GEORGETTE7773 I’m so happy for you. I’ve been on the 50 mcg patches going on 18 yrs. I do not take anything for breakthrough pain bc I refuse the prescription when they try to give it to me. I’m not sure how this whole process works , but at this point I want to get off of this patch , but my body is so sensitive that I know I will prob have very bad withdrawals. I hope I can find a dr to help me do this the same way u did. Was it very difficult?
I just left rehab within 12 hours of getting there I'm 23 they only gave me Tylenol and offered me Suboxone in a couple days I could do it so I left used and I just want to be clean man
Doesn’t sounds like you want to get clean. Time to pay the piper and handle the withdrawl. You’re strong enough, you just have to want it. To the point where you want to withdraw because you know your life will be better after for it.
Day 4 tomorrow almost there ! Didn’t sleep for days . Puking and hot& cold sweats, gooses. That’s the worse. Wasn’t tired at all. My legs were the worst. F subs! Then u get stuck on them after and they take up to a month to fully feel no symptoms . Going strong !❤
Always remember you can always take more. I've been in full blown presip over 20x my Dr told me it was in my head that Presipitated withdrawal symptoms didn't exist.... yah right I have PTSD from Presipitated withdrawal symptoms...
Yeah but then you switch from bupe to sublucade when you want to come off;. Which is an injection that lasts a month. Especially good if you're going into jail
Ptsd is right. Longterm opiate use and constantly living in and out and of fear of withdrawal has most definitely given me Ptsd. Now precip that's an unexplainable traumatic experience.. Good God I wish and I hope more medial professionals provide and firmly and repeatedly reinerate what precip is because for anyone who's been sick you think oh I just get tripped into being dope sic k if I get precip. YOU COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG, precip takes being dope sick multiplys it by 100x all at once , plus I had the most disasociatative state similar to tripping like the worst withdrawals I've ever had while on lsd or something. Oh and I forgot to mention while all that was happening the deep feeling of overwhelming doom and fear on top of all that. Precip needs more respect and education about it's causes /avoidance/and what to do if u do screw up and go into precip what u can and can't do in that situation. (I think the most traumatic part of my first precip experience was after I began to grasp what was happening that I had no information, no idea when all the pain and horror was gonna stop? Was it going to stop? Was there more, am I at risk of severe bodily harm I dint have a single answer to ay of those? S even though I was prescribed suboxone and in a suboxone program I only had precip wd mentioned briefly a time or two. So stay informed. ALWAYS WAIT dbl the time from last use to 1st sub dose cuz however sick u feel. Nothing will compare to thinking ur sick enough or long enough from opiate use and popping sub hoping for relief can and will throw u to new meaning of withdrawal. It's ALWAYS BETTER to wait.
People if you’re getting strong withdrawal you’re doing it wrong, decrease the sub and increase the opiate for a short time then try again it’s a dance between the two medications, you start out with a micro dose you don’t start out with the 2 mg, remember when starting subs less is more if you take too much at first you’ll put yourself into precipitated withdrawal. If that happens take more of the opiate just until you’re not so sick then stop and wait as long as you can until start the subs again and it should be a small dose just a half of a mg.
So do you wait as long as possible with going without then take the smallest piece of sub? Then if that isn't working do a little bit of whatever you have? Then wait a few hours & take another small piece of sub? I'm trying to understand but keep seeing different answers
@@MrAkaprimetimewhat exacltys your question because I can Def answer a lot about bupe/suboxone and the dance between using opiate and bupe (the dance mentioned) and the absolute donts as well as the dos. What she said above is Def correct but if you have some? S specifics I'll be glad to help and share my experiences because I've spent a lot of time researching while trying to get onto suboxone or quit opiates and the internet is really hard. I've seen 10 different answers to a? I know the answer but there are so many specific instances and situations it's easy to get info mixed up and that's how u can try a great medicine assisted detox like this and have a bad experience because misinformation. So hope I can help and in your search keep asking till u feel confident u understand as opposed to trying it out and seeing what happens. U can save your self from a nightmare vs a rather very mild successful detox.
I def need help. I get to the 7th day on the subs but when I try to stop the fetty I feel like I’m withdrawling and it sucks it’s like I can stop using the fetty. Am I not taking enough subs I’m on 24mg and I still can’t stop the fetty I’m at a fuckin loss :( thanks for any help!
@Danielle-zy7un it's never a failure. Just stay on the buprenorphine 16mg+ a day and try to slowly taper your opiate use tell you can just go without.. I'm in the same spot. I'm on steady 16 mg a day but I still need to stop the opiate.. keep in touch... it's getting better every day
Also the buprenorphine seems to stimulate me. The anxiety might just be from the subs... but it takes time.... I think just stay on subs until you can stop the fet..... I personally have to split my dose of subs because it's to stimulating for me..
I'm on day 2. It's working. Tomorrow 4 doses of 2mgs of Suboxone and minimal fentanyl. I feel a little lethargic, because I think the Suboxone is starting to build in my system. I'm not sick at all though, and the fentanyl is not getting me high. I'm very excited about this. I just can't go into treatment and I have to go back to work in 5 days. I was skeptical of course, but it's working.
Hello, Im about to start doing this same micro dosing schedule come tomorrow morning. How is yours going thus far? I wanna say your on day 5 now, maybe. Hope it's continuing to go well for you. I'm extremely nervous about starting it, as I don't want to go into precipitated, terrified too. But I want off of this evil stuff so badly I HAVE to do something, I want out. I'm wondering if .5 is really ganna be okay for me to start with or should I do a .25 just in case. I also work and have kids I can't stop taking care of. Hints the TH-cam profile. So I'm really trying to make and have a plan to get onto the Suboxone.
@@beckymm1989 clearly you didn't understand the video after watching it because nowhere in the video does he talk about the last use of fentanyl before you start the Suboxone
@@adrianmg52 check other videos, especially if you’re more of a severe user. This sounds like a bunch of soccer moms/dads who got hooked on tramadol and somehow got ahold of fentanyl patches. If you have a real problem check around, I read someone else comment that they took one of their doses to close to the other and it threw everything off. Idk exactly what they meant. I kinda took it as taking his full agonist to close to his micro sub dose. But take lots of what you read here with a grain of salt. Some ppl on here could read the simplest instructions and STILL mess it up. So it could’ve been some dumb mistake on their part not following the set doses/times.
You got this brother! I will pray on it for you. The fact that you’re doing this it’s inspiration and motivation for me. God bless wish you the best and hope to hear back from you & your progress.
this is trully an amazing breakthrough that I HOPE THE REST OF THE COUNTRY CAN GET ON BOARD WITH... IT SEEMS SO EASY BUT TOO MANY DOCS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEYRE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO HELPINHG US GET OFF THIS CRAP FOR GOOD . GOD BLESS ANYONE STRUGGLING WITH any ADDICTION... YOU ARE WORTH THE FIGHT, DONT GIVE UP 15 MINS BEFORE A MIRACLE HAPPENS AND YOU GET TO A NEW LIFE ... LOVE ALL OF YA... ONE DAY AT A TIME.. YOU GOT THIS
I’m 18 been doing Fenty and opioid since 15,16it’s crazy i been doin it a while been on and off and trying to stop and get better pray for me I’ve overdosed 6 and more times and it’s crazy but pray for me :)
Honey you have your whole life ahead of you, you’re still young you can still be and have everything you want, you have to want it more than anything, no “high” is worth your life and there is never “just one more” just remember “one and I’m done” you can’t take just one you cannot do it because you’re an addict, you’re sick, not bad and you’re not alone, you have a whole community of people that will pray for you and encourage you. Lord I pray for this child of God, I pray that you heal his mind, body, and soul, from the top of his head to the tips of his toes I pray that you let him know he is worth it and that life can be amazing in sobriety, I pray you will carry him when he’s not strong enough to walk on his own I pray that you surround him with a community of people who are loving and compassionate, I pray that he’s able to find some NA meetings in his community, all of this I ask in your mighty mighty name 🙏🏻 amen. Also try to find a sponsor and work the steps they will keep you sober, I don’t know you but I have a child and if I lost them to addiction it would ruin me, think of your family if you can’t think of yourself.
Get some Kratom and switch to it from Fent. Whin yourself from it and never look back. If you want to get high after you done with opiates smoke some green it's strong enough now days that'll take care of cravings you have. Your body is so strong at your age that switching to Kratom should be walk in the park kiddo. Good luck.
I have a friend thats been smoking and injecting fentynal ever since she was 12 and shes 37 now. I keep trying to help her stop and praying to god with her but she told me she doesn't want to quit im so heartbroken . I love her so much .
Oh God, I pray for you and your friend. This is very different and don't know how to say. Your friend is on drugs for many years since 12 years old and now she is 37. She doesn't remember her normal days, life. This must be on her mind most of the time that how to live a normal life like other clean people, how to start it, will I know how to lead a normal life, etc.. coz all her life is spent addicted and that's the normal life to her. She needs a very new beginning. Force her for the rehabilitation with her consent and willingness. When the rehab is done, if possible make her go somewhere for a long time or move where she cannot get her choice of drugs.. she has to forget the life of drugs, every single steps she did and took. This is the only life she knows and are comfort with it. And she has to say NO and stay away from any drugs. Even alcohol or beverages she should not have them because she will relapse back to her old addiction life. No prayers will work at the beginning. Just force her to the drugs rehabilitation. After that do any amount of prayers for her or do it together with her.
Clean 5 days today. Microinduction. The fentanyl coming in has so much crap in it that this isn't perfectly comfortable. I have a huge op tolerance. Bernese method. First done 2016? You shouldn't be using the agonist freely! As you slowly increase the bup, only use full agonist to be comfortable. Not high. Or chance pushing the bup back. I have come back clean twice this way. A little insomnia, sweats, tossing and turning. But with comfort meds, those can be eased. Staying high isn't realistic for us! Tell yourself that as you push forward. Every day is better. Love to all
My issue is that I get up to the dose of subs and when I try to quit the fetty I feel the withdraws enough to make me smoke and then I’m on subs and still smoking. It’s awful and I have NO idea how the heck to get off this train but I’m desperate
Maybe that was my issue I was still using my gram a day not just using when I felt icky. Does that really make a huge difference? I thought about getting kratom to help with the day when I’m supposed to stop my DOC
@@Danielle-zy7un so my doctor gave me Gabapentin for cramping and muscle twitch,muscle relaxer Dycyclomine for stomach cramping Clonidine for heart rate and goosebumps and sweating Hydroxyzine for anxiety, doesn't do wonders but works And trazadone for sleep. The goal is to get the bupe slowly over 7 days. For hard users in my opinion, there's a 9-10 day induction. For me it was being honest. Cold turkey is hell. The ability to slowly come out of the cloudy high while covering those receptors is key. It's bridging. I was taught you ONLY use if it's absolutely needed. Be comfortable but some has to be paid. Slowly while the sub builds up its replacing your choice op on the receptor. And make sure you have the free time to relax. Be honest. Am I using the drug to stay just well enough or am I getting high? I once had a friend of mine hold it. And clearly when I wasn't doing well I would smoke just enough. It's tapering one and stacking the other. My experience you feel some symptoms but they are light-years easier to deal then with NOTHING. Best of luck and I'm cheering you on! Want it!
I got off fentanyl by just taking oxys... and slowly cut those back till I was only taking like 30mg a day. This all took place over a week. I got down to Kratom... should've just quit everything. I'm back to being fucked on fent. I'm going to try and get off them this weekend and transition to oxys again. It's been almost a year of taking these... Wish me luck.
Why would you take some thing after being clean for seven days, especially something like subs that are hard to get off of. If anything you should’ve took Kratom, which doesn’t cause precipitated withdrawals and will only give you relief.
I tried cold turkey. I made it 2 days, I was super sick and took 8 migs of Suboxone and went into post acute withdrawal for about 24 hours of hell. I didn't know what to do, because even the micro induction bernes method was not enough time. I was resigned to going back to work with my habit. This paper came out and I tapered the fentanyl for two days and then yesterday morning began this method. It is working.
Thanks for your input, so the three day method (followed exactly as shown) worked for you? Or did you alter it? We’d love to know here as your experience is valuable and could help many other wanting to recover addicts.
A good tip for restless leg syndrome during withdraw - Put a brand new bar of Irish Spring soap under your blanket, by your feet. I have no idea why, but it works!
@@Maikeruno To be honest, I would take like 8 showers a day. I would literally get in the shower Turner as hot as I could and just lay and sit on the back of floor like that water run home, turn it off, wait a little bit and get right back in that shower. I didn't do nothing but sit on the floor on my knees on my back. What it is about I fucking help
So while I’m doing this method, and I supposed to be taking the fentanyl pills like I would normally take them? Because it does not mention that unless I just overlooked it. Can someone please answer I need help ASAP.
Yes. I did this plan. Was a blue addict for 2 years. His plan is devised so we can keep using while Microdosing Suboxone. When I say Microdosing - I'm talking 1/8th of a Suboxone strip. I was able to keep using Fent for the psychological cravings. While Microdosing the Suboxone. I had zero withdrawals. It allowed a seamless process. Because normally u can't take Suboxone til you've been Fent free for 3 days. This plan allows u to keep using. Then u don't want the junk after 3-5 days. I hope u can do it❤❤
I figured this out years ago after theowing myself into precipitated withdrawal numerous times, both times i went to rehab they tried to give me subs after 12 hours lol i refused it for so long that by the time i needed it at 4am i had to wait until the morning to see a dr
Yup thats how they do it all across the country now, 48-96 hour protocol, i too figured this out years ago but it can be a double edged sword.... ive used it for the good and bad, while on subs using. Today i take very minimal sub maybe 1-2 mg a day but i was a shooter for 15 years
I had recently tried this and I felt like when I got to 2 mg it was like I was 5% in precip withdraw all the time and that’s enough to be rly uncomfortable am I doing something wrong? Do I have to take the dose and wait a while before using the normal stuff? Fent of course. I’ve been desperately trying to get off this for a long time plz I need help and no one seems to care the wds are just too much for me
I think it’s the other way around when I tried it and used the dent first I was fine as soon as I used the suboxone first I went into withdrawal I think we are suppose to start off by using the fent first until we keep taking less and less of it and more of the suboxone
Been struggling w drugs for years was a green beret for 8 years last deployment fell off a mountain 3000ft in Syria. Broke both femur dislocated. Both kneecaps broke both tibia and fibia fractured foot. Caught a couple rounds in my stomach as well. After the hospital was in so much pain and depression getting out of the military after doing 12 years 7 deps, never knew anything else got hooked on fentanyl 7 months ago lost everything basically. Was smoking 30 fake perks a day. I start methadone Thursday pray for me I’m so sick and tired of it.
Update: we did the process but was late on a couple doses but made sure to take them I don’t know if that messed it up but on day 4 we took 12mgs and went into perceptive withdrawal, the weird think tho is it was like a half perceptive withdrawal it was pretty bad for three hours and now it’s been like 8 hours I still feel a bit rough but better than I did when it came on so fast. Please be careful with this, maybe do the 7 day because this wasn’t the best for us.
This comment was enough to scare me off of this method. I have experienced precipitated withdrawal on 3 occasions, the last experience I thought I would die..so I'm not risking that again. This 3 day rapid plan sounds too good to be true. I will try the 7 day plan though, it sounds more realistic...I do hope you guys are doing better now! The drug scene has changed so much in the last couple years, with these nasty Chinese lab-engineered drugs infesting the market. They have made everything much more sinister and dangerous....
You have to stay on the oxys and introduce the suboxone slowly into your system and then after about 5 or 6 days, you can stop taking them because they won't work anymore but you won't go through withdrawals.
I just got subs from bicycle health and can't quit work to detox. I'm 24hours without about to take my first dose hope this works don't have the luxury of taking off work
I tried this so many times and it never worked. When it came time to stop the fentanyl and up the bupe, I always got horrible withdrawals and went back to using fentanyl to stop them. Only thing that worked was going inpatient to a detox, and be in a place where I had no access to fentanyl and no means to go out and use again.
Yeah same here I’m still on H .. and I use a lot DIDNT work for me either I did exactly what it asked to do .. went all the way from half a Mg two times a day the first day and kept using , and upped it by a mg everyday and kept using for like 5/6 days til I was at 8mg total at the last day and every time I would take the sub I’d chill out for a bit and a hour or two after taking the subs I would feel sick literally every time .. rehab seems to be the only way for me to get off .. I use like 3grams of blk a day (smoke) maybe since I use a shitload that’s why it won’t work for ppl who use alot of opiates you know ?
You need to have extreme willpower… I understand that most people don’t and that’s totally understandable. It is pure agony and torture, the closest you can get to hell while still being on earth. If you’re still on 3 grams a day I think thats way too much to try this method. You need to try to get to the lowest dose possible before trying this. Like literally get to a point where you’re only using the bare minimum amount just to get through the night. I recommend megadosing vitamin C, do whatever you can to keep yourself distracted throughout the day
@@LeastWantedOfficial We were just talking about this, a doctor friend and I on Twitter. She was seeing patients with kidney stones as a result of taking too much vitamin c. Absolutely do not megadose vitamin c. It does fuck all for opioid withdrawal, and can cause kidney stones.
You are supposed to be decreasing your fent use as you increase your bupe. Apparently 8mg isn’t enough to keep you from being sick everyone is different
Yeah cut your fent use by a lot gradually. You could probably get away with taking 1/8th of what you’re currently on before even beginning to transistors to subs.
Can i take methadone for the amount of days to get fentynal out of my system? So methadone while not taking any fentynal, letting the fentynal out of your system and then stopping methadone. Does that work? Like take methadone for 4-6 days. While taking methadone take no fentynal. Then stop the methadone. Will i feel withdrawal?
im on a 21 day methadone detox....started at 40....im on 30mgs now...but I used fetty the first 4 days....im 2 days clean...and I can bearly feel the withdraw....clonidine works miracles...that and just wanting it
How do you get clodinine I just start methadone maybe 2/3 days ago my first dose was 30mg and then they gave me 40mg and for some reason I feel weird but I didn’t feel weird on my first day I want to be off this shit so bad I did pure fetty for a year and some change damn near and I want to get sober so bad
@berrylola73 dont let them raise you...and try to get off methadone as soon as u can...drop 5mg a week...when u get to 5mg...and then u stop...u wont really feel too much WD....be aware if u stop methadone abruptly....it'll be hell on earth
I'm on day two. Subs scared the s*** out of me. Cuz I've got into precipitated withdrawal three different times. And anybody who's been through precipitated withdrawal knows it is the worst feeling on earth. So far on day two I don't have one withdrawal symptom at all this method works I'm super excited that I finally found a way that I can get clean faster than being on methadone for months this method works try it. I will say I'm doing it slower than the doctor had recommended and I am using more comfort meds than she prescribed I went ahead and got some diazepam into mazepam to help me sleep and just sleep through a lot of it but she may not agree with it the best but it is working for me and it will be getting me clean and I am so excited
So I've been off fetynal for 5 days now. I went to the hospital to get medication to help me detox. They gave me gabapentin and tizanidine surprisingly I didn't have any withdrawal symptoms. My question is do I HAVE to start talking subxone or can I survive without it? A rapid answer from anyone would be great right now. I don't feel like absolute death but i don't feel great either. 🙏
I would avoid suboxone if you are able. Chemically Fentanyl has a short half life, which means it breaks down in your body relatively quickly. Suboxone and other prescriptions have a longer half life. Which in the long term you will still need to deal with their own withdrawals and most likely for longer. Also with how potent fentanyl is and you are not in agony is beyond me! I wish you the best in your recovery❤
I hope you keep this video up. I call this reverse engineering. Bc i was taking subs when i started fent. Everythjng seemed fine until i ran out of subs and had no way to get more. When i did get more i went into the most god awful gut wrentching withdrawls... OMG.. NO WAY. YOULL EITHER GO CRAZY, HURT YOURSELF OR GET SOME FENT. ANYWAY THIS WORKS LISTEN CLOSELY...he says to do both for a week, fent and subs then you follow the schedule. But you can go slower. Lisren also to your body..
The question is do you do the fent first and then the sub because when I tried this before and did the sub first I had to do way more fent because of the pre withdrawals but the first day I did the fent first and then the sub and felt fine it was when I did the sub first that I felt like shit
THANK GOD DOCTORS ARE UNDERSTANDING THIS ABOUT FENT! I found microdosing or waiting almost 3/4 days to take a suboxone to be the only ways to get suboxone to work and not end up feeling worse from suboxone. I spent years having doctors tell me how to induce and people telling me i dont know more than doctors. Dailying increasing microdoses seemed to the best the easiest transition but it also takes a lot of self control which us addicts usually lack. But that’s the only way i could get suboxone to work. With the longer you microdose and the dosage of microdose being biggest factors in ease pf induction.
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Am I understanding this correctly....I still do fentanyl and micro dose Suboxone so it builds up in my system and once I built it up to a full Suboxone strip ..stop taking fentanyl...and gradually wean off Suboxone? What about pre cip withdrawal?
Need help, not only can I not afford it anymore, my life cannot afford this drug. Tomorrow was gonna start but it's so scary because even after 12 hours my body is thumping. Scared to lose my job, just so stressed about this. I have no money to even get a few pills and I just can't keep borrowing. I've experienced the withdrawal and it's scary to say the least. Was going to try n start methadone intake tomorrow, but it's so early 530am I have to be there and they start you off slowly. Anyway, just need help on some ways I can get thru this, I'm a functioning addict. I work full time I am a father to a 23 year old and a grandpa of a 7 yr old. I just want my life back without the everyday scramble to get my fix, feel like my body and mind are no good without the drug. I've taken opiates since my early 20s and I'm 43, graduated to fetynol about 2 years ago, it's just the hardest thing to quit and i am in a rock and a hard place. Thank you
When you do this make sure you have your drug of choice in supply. The web says Subs take 45-1hr, I beg to differ. It reaches it peak in 2hrs. You will have mild withdrawal after every dose. Its very mild but my anxiety makes it worse. So I take my doc, then I am super relaxed. Suboxone is a powerful drug too! This isn't my first rodeo. One thing i have found is that it does wonders for your mood. I'm serious. You feel better you would from your doc. Only thing is you have to detox from the subs sooner or later
Ok, I've been reading everyone's comments and I'm so confused, ok so I need to get clean and want to so bad, I thought fentonal was good cause it got me off injecting heroin everyday I didn't think nothing could do that but now I'm hooked on fentonal and I'm 49 years old, I don't want to die, I have 7 kids 3of which I am with and they know my addiction I came clean with them and they are behind me 100% there my biggest fans and I so don't want to let them or me down, I'm ready to stop and get off this damn drug once and 4 all, I'm still confused about how to do it I have plenty of suboxen strip saved up. So I smoke about a Gram of fetty daily which I've been doing for over 2 years now I've never been sick from it cause I've always had it. I'm ready to start now but can someone please tell me how to start, how much to take off the strips, and how much fetty do I continue to use, and when do I stop using the fetty and just use the strip. Ok well I with God's help am going to put this life of drugs behind me, and try to live a drug free life which I haven't done since I was a teenager.. so please help me with this
I’d keep using until you get yourself down to .2, better if it’s .1, then try the method stated in the video. And DONT GET ADDICTED TO SUBS, quitting them is way worse. I take blues, most blues aren’t close to fentanyl strength, but the ones I take are. They even have the smell and the taste, but I went from taking 5 a day (60mgs) to just 1.5 a day now and I’m going to continue weaning myself off and extend my waiting time to use by an hour each time. I can go 12 hours before starting to feel mildly sick, 48 hours is full blown withdrawal. So I’m doing the wean down method ofc. A little discomfort but nothing compared to what I was going thru. One day I couldn’t stop tensing my legs every few seconds and having fucked up thoughts I literally felt like I was in hell. That was the scariest withdrawal for me, so I’m not doing cold turkey anymore. U got this bro, sending love and care yo ur way
For the people who want to know what we go through and why its so fucking hard to get your life back. The withdraws feel like this, all at the sametime: Restless legs Cold sweats Hot sweats No appetite Aches and pains Negative zero energy Diarrhea Random twitching Headache Extreme insomnia Shakes Vomiting Fever (Theres more but differs on each person, but you get the point) Most addicts would have to deal with this 8-10 days and worst cases up to a month. Nights are literally hell because you can't ever get comfortable to fall asleep on top of all the above symptoms going on too. I hope i can get my life back again one day but right now im still in the trenches but i know one day ill be able to, i just wish it was now but i just cant do it. Hardest part is getting mentally ready. For the ones who are in the same boat, i pray that you will get clean when youre ready, you can do it!
Peeps! I’m on day 4! And guess what? I took my last dose of FENT last night. Woke up this morning and took and ENTIRE STRIP 8 mg of BUP and quess what? ZERO PRECIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am however low as hell on energy and I have no clue what to do with myself. But I haven’t used in 15 hours and no withdrawal whatsoever. Ima beat this hold on my life after wasting literally EVERYTHING AWAY! I do have still, my dignity, freedom and I’m not withdrawing. If I can do this, you can do this. The two years I guarantee I have spent well over $60,000 on this shit. I’m done, absolutely done.
It’s really nice to hear from people that have tried and successfully (or unsuccessful) attempted the Bernese method. The internet is full of people saying “I’m gonna try this tomorrow, will report back) and never hearing anything from them. If you have any more follow up info for us let us know!
@@weezyano3379 that is bad ass, bro I wish you the best luck in the world. Just remember you are worth it and remember it took you a while to get on the stuff it’s going to take you some work getting off, but you can do it. I promise you, bro you got this.
@@jamesa6080 oh man i hear that. That new Amy brain to playing tricks like a mother $&@“@& on me. I would get a 30 bag and ok, going wing myself off and because of that for the bag 5 turns faster. My Brian for sure took over and corrupted me big time. I’m just sick and tired of the life bro. 43, not too old, but old enough to say what in the holy hell am I doing, this time, lost everyone, but my record and wife. Could’ve been worse, but worse enough for me. Never will I go through this withdrawal again. My right of passage has been completed! Brother I took subs, 8 mg in the am and 8 at night for a week and a half. About 30 days ago I forgot to take one that day. Haven’t taken a price of sub since. I thought I was cool after only a week and half or so on subs, but I was wrong. Up until day 5 I was cool. Since then it’s been rls every night, super lethargic, body weighs a ton. But about a week ago I just barely started the upward slope to feeling better and today, I feel pretty darn good. I don’t recommend that for everyone it’s up to you, long as you’re on a dedicated dose and can function without giving up your sanity, all power to you. I just felt in my heart I was going to give it a try and a lot of meetings and work, bro I’ve been sub free for a month and fent free for two. I’m so happy bro. I did start taking lexipro to balance a little and it is helping. It helps get my brain to function because years of opiates made by Brian stop making dopamine, they say the withdrawal from the subs can last months to a year! I didn’t want the handcuffs anymore. Either way! Subs or no subs, beats the fent 1000 million times over. I can answer any question to my best of you have any of need suggestions. Thanks!!!!
Wow I've been experimenting with a similar technique using Suboxone as I was still using fentanyl and then I slowly start to take less and less. And I'm currently pretty down low on my dose compared to what it used to be I'm so close to quitting. And then you got to go through those weeks or months of your brains chemicals trying to get back to feeling comfortable in your own skin. Which is the hardest part for the majority of us people to keep from relapsing play that's where the Suboxone comes in. At first you won't really feel it but after you take it for a little while and it definitely does help with the withdrawals before long you'll be looking forward to getting your script or your pill and then you take it and the good thing is you take that for as long as you need to until you get tired of taking it and then you can start tapering off of that
@@RalphMoraga yo, ive been kinda looking through these seeing if theres any personal experience i can lend. (not in a like self actualized preaching way..) I've just researched anything and everything i could find and tried many with lots of failures. But in your situation, if you're doing oxycodone, and havent gone onto harder opiates, trust me, if you wanna get clean getting off the 30s is soo much easier... my reason is.. not necessarily that harder ones like fent have a extremely worse withdrawal, they could be the same. The differences is the length of withdrawal, and the length of the intense part of the withdrawal is muuch longer. In short.. off of oxy, you can get through the withdrawal in a week and like day 3 or 4 will be the worst. Fent on the other hand.. you will be living in that day 4 peak for like a week or more. everybody is different. also, as the vid states.. you can switch right to suboxone from oxy after waiting until your in moderate wd. Finally, If you cant take the week of wd cold turkey ( which i don't blame you) CANT GIVE MED ADVICE BUT WHAT I WOULD DO.. IS TAKE SUBOXONE FOR NO MORE THAN A WEEK, SO THAT YOU DONT END UP WDING OFF THAT... AND THEN IN THAT WEEK.. THE OXY SHOULD MOSTLY LEAVE YOUR SYSTEM AND THEN YOU CAN STOP THE SUBS. (ID MAYBE TAKE A TINY PIECE IN THE NEXT WEEK ONLY IF NECCESSARY BUT NOT CONSISTENTLY. THAT IS WHAT I HAVE KNOWN PEOPLE TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL DOING. AND SOME PEOPLE ALSO JUST STAYED ON THE SUBS FOR A WHILE, DEPENDING ON WHERE THEYRE AT. EVERYONE DIFFERENT .. AGAIN NOT GUIDENCE BUT JUST A THOUGHT ON WHAT IVE HEARD WORKS FOR PEOPLE. YOU GOT IT DUDE....
Pure hell. You can't imagine how bad the withdrawal is. If someone came to me, and said "we can make it so you won't go through withdrawal at all, but we have to chop off your big toe without anesthetic, I would literally beg them to do it. That's how bad the withdrawal is. Hell on earth
it is so bad , it’s not worth it and it will RUIN your life faster than you think … my bf and I decided to get sober and we are now 3 days sober , it’s extremely hard but my bf and I are trying and we are going to try and get our life back right . The withdrawals are torture , it feels extremely painful .
I think Fent is demonic out on the streets. Used in hospitals it does wonders. I don't believe it is a recreational drug. It is as they give to patients that are dying. It makes heroin look like a sissy drug. Which it is not.
I’m 17 and I wanna get sober I can’t get suboxone from a doctor I want help I’m literally crying wanting hell it makes you sooo emotional I got some suboxone off someone and I’ve been thinking off trying to get sober
I'm switching from fentanyl to bupe in 18 hrs. Last his was around 1:30 last night. I'm going to wait 18 and take 4mg I probably would have tried that route instead though. At hour 12 i decided to do this instead
@@MrAkaprimetime when I got to day3-4 4mg/6hrs I got pretty sick. Not to sick but no sleep with a little restless syndrome. Mind you I was injecting fentanyl. I'm now on day??? 5 maybe. Very weak very little sleep but not in heavy withdrawal ps. I flushed the remaining of my drugs down the sink after feeling sick after every shot. Also taking about 3 8mg strips temporally. I'll drop back to 12mg in a couple days
@@Whatsahandle4 hey dude I’m in the same exact situation as you. Been doing fetty for YEARS. What would u recommend for me I’m going to try this starting tomorrow. Follow this exact system?
@@Hockeykid1515 yes. It works very well. You will be a little weak the first week or so but not very bad. No serious withdrawal but if you gotta work the next day after the day you stop fetty ( which should be day 3 ) plan it so it lands on a weekend or off day preferably
Sounds really practical in terms of getting off fentanyl/opioids and onto something like Suboxone. And Suboxone is amazing in its ability to stop both withdrawal symptoms and opioid cravings. But in my personal experience and what others have said, getting off Suboxone takes a long time. And you can taper off Suboxone down to, literally, micro doses, and you will still go through withdrawal symptoms when you finally stop.
I absolutely don't understand this suboxone withdrawal claim. First off, the suboxone withdrawal is MUCH less intense than opiate withdrawal. I was taking suboxone recreationally for over a year and had to stop when my connection vanished. The withdrawal symptoms were COMPLETELY alleviated with weed. Whenever I felt rough I would take a few hits of some good marijuana and sub withdrawals were gone..for HOURS..I would take sub withdrawal over any other drug detox...
@@KamalaIsTrash Interesting. First, this is the first time I've heard of Suboxone being taken to get high. Second, I had literally no guidance/advice from doctors about withdrawing from opioids. I was on minimal doses of Suboxone for 2 months or less. Third, it is terrific that you were able to get off Suboxone with so little withdrawal symptoms. But if you peruse some of the comments on videos about withdrawals, most comments, like mine, it was pretty gnarly going through withdrawal from Suboxone. And prolonged. Finally, in hindsight, I did not taper off the opioids. Something that seems essential now that I can look back on a tough time. Cheers.
Dude I did a 30 day suboxone detox in treatment and I was FINE!!’ maybe a little sweaty when I didn’t wanna be but Man it was a miracle! You just gotta do it slowlyyyyyyy and let your body adjust
Nah dude if you do a 30 day taper off sub you can do it with minimal minimal withdrawal symptoms. It was a miracle when I did it.. I was in in patient but still you just gotta let your body adjust so you just move down a little every week.. I was on it for 8 years and got off with literally no withdrawal.. it’s doable!
I jus got sober y’all 6 days n counting I was on fet 30 blue for 3 years u really gotta want it man cuz I thought that demon wouldn’t never come out but it am sober is the the way
5 days clean off fake percs i quit cold turkey u just gotta have a strong mindset and really have to want to stop im forsure done after almost 2years of takin fentanyl percocets its just a week to get rid of symptoms dont be weak stay strong and pray 🙏 hope all of y’all make it thru
the fukn withdrawals are the worse if you know you know shit is hell on earth LITERALLY but u just gotta keep going n be strong and get thru it ! restlessness legs is the. worst thts the only thing that i couldnt bear the legs and insomnia ar night is the worst tossing and turning not being able to sleep for days streight its the worst man dont wish it upon no one fr
@@ceeg1300I went 5 days cold turkey almost a year ago from today. I’d only done blues for 5 months so it was easier than it is now because the longer you do it the harder it is. I threw up, got fevers, but my head was strong and I took it on the chin, then the fucking restless legs got me. I’d been having restless legs the whole time, but when that seemed like it was the last thing to beat I just couldn’t do it. I beat myself up everytime I give in, I do blues and not pure fetty but honestly they’re so strong they taste and smell like fetty. I feel you bro
Be strong everyone! I don't know u but love you! I was sober for 7 years, I relapsed n started doing fentynal n have been for 6 months. I got suboxone but wen I take it it throws me into rapid withdrawal n it's hard for me to cope with it cuz I gotta work. I need to get off. My family depends on me n I gotta beat this crap.
Day 4 1st dose down I had to double dose last night cause I started feeling icky as the fentanyl is gone but super flu this morning I’m okay. Took 4 mg I’ll take more if symptoms start to peer in
@@MrAkaprimetimeman tbh wait until your sick sndbi mean full on withdrawal not just where you a little uncomfortable and start to feel it but wait until you’ve thrown up hot and cold chills … cold sweats all the above and your flat out going thru it then take it & yiu can take another one if the withdraws symptoms aren’t fully gone yet and once they are … Id said take em for a week and everyday take less so then once you stop taking them you’ll know you’re not withdrawing that much or in the pain stage but you’ll still feel kinda off about yourself and chills every so often but then you can start getting back to normal … hit the sauna at the gym sweat it out … do probiotics for gut and system cleanse overall to clean that shit out … eat healthy foods start working out … yiu really gotta push it out and rebalance your system because that’s what it’s trying to do once you reach that 10th day and most the painful withdrawals are gone
Ive been off fentanyl for 3 years using a similar process this system works if want to get an stay off fentanyl so far worse drug to get get hooked but there's like at end of the tunnel and it will turn out ok.
It's still a bitch to get off the fentanyl. It's not as smooth as you think. I got stuck using fetty while taking bupe for months. And when I tried to stop the fetty the bupe doesn't help at all
That's weird, bupe took all my fent withdrawal away. You must've had some pharmaceutical grade fent. It is best to taper down the fent before full dose bupe
Same here . I was using very little fentanyl. I waited 24 hrs to dose with bupe which sent me in to PW which was hell, lasted about 6 hrs.. no way I’d take more after I started to feel better ., way too scared. It’s like a violet fight with a demon . Terrible!
@💜Andrea💜 how many milligrams of bupe? And yeah fentanyl is very very tricky. You may have had some long lasting fentanyl that had legs. Sometimes this street stuff is so short acting too
I've never took hard drugs in my life I was prescribed this crap for pain management because I have it on every hospital do not give me opiates I was an alcoholic and I have a long line of addiction in my family they told me how easy was going to be to get off if I ever wanted to all lies I went from 8 mg to nothing it's been a week I'm still not okay but I was able to work out today and I have a doting husband and a beautiful teenage daughter on my side I don't know what I would do without them you need to make damn sure your patients want to be on this crap for years to come and explain its worse than getting off of anything else and takes longer for withdrawals than anything else I am a female bodybuilder who is a size three and weighs 125 lb I'm healthy I eat right I can't imagine a unhealthy person trying to detox from Suboxone it's like crawling through hell and back
Well I was smoking extremely strong fentanyl. And as soon as I tried a 2 mg of suboxone it really made me go into strong withdrawals. Be very careful when mixing the two
You’re not supposed to take the full 2 mg at once. You’re supposed to take .5 milligrams every 6 hours. So you total 2 mg in 24 hours. And you can continue usuing fentanyl during the 3-4 day induction phase.
Day 1- .5 mg every 6 hours (total 2mg) Day 2- 1mg every 6 hours ( total 4 mg) Day 3- 2mg every 6 hours (total 8mg) Day 4- 12 mg in the am and then follow up with your doctor to see how you feel. And he clearly says and the slide states “ continue using full agonist opiates during the induction phase “
@@rxreece333 can you do a little less than that or will the subs not work I have a friend that keeps asking & I'm trying the best way to explain it to her
I should've went to med school. Lol I was doing this before the bernese method was even around. Or heard of out here. Love your channel you gained a sub lol I just figured the science and since it's long acting to slowly build it up in my system than pound out my receptors lol😅
i did this once to when a provider put me in pws bad. i ate two strips and was so much worse and then sniffed a bag and felt better and just did that for a couple days then subs only
What about fentanyl and Methadone? I was talking to a Freind and she went into like a detox thing. She was on the Methadone program…. But apparently the fentanyl cuts through the methadone? Sooo you’re in withdrawal even though you’re on methadone. I found it so interesting.
It’s a weird combo I switched to 160 mg of methadone after fetty then after the third day of using the 160mg I stopped methadone and I felt really minor withdrawls, it’s like I was withdrawing from the fetty but I was ok because of the methadone
I really appreciate your passion for helping people. During this schedule, when do you use the full agonist? Do you wait until after the sub dissolves?
@@KenStarrMDWellnessGroup- Dr Starr - I have been attempting to transition from street fentanyl to Buprenorphine via the Bernese Method/Microdosing 7 day protocol, however I have been encountering problems which have made it extremely difficult to cut out using the fentanyl. After taking my dose of (for example) 4 Mgs and higher, roughly 60 to 90 minutes in, I become fairly sick going from a stable (from fentanyl), COWS of 0 to double digits and by two hours in the feeling just becomes so intense that I revert to taking fentanyl to mitigate the symptoms. Is there something I am doing incorrectly or is this to be expected? I have been stuck in this cycle for months now, never getting beyond 8mgs and not becoming sick. I don't believe its precipitated withdrawal though I cant be certain and any feedback would be so greatly valued and appreciated - thanks in advance
I've noticed that everyone who says they will do this and give updates never end up giving the update of how it worked. I am terrified to do this I'm taking 2mlg every 6 hours right now with very mild withdrawals and when I do get them I just smoke fetty and I'm okay, I tried this last week and on day 3 when I took my 8mlg strip in the morning I went into precip extremely bad. I'm supposed to take the full dose tomorrow as I'm at 2mlg every six hours I'm scared to do it. If anyone has done it please let me know, I can't go into precip again it was hell
Dr Starr - I have been attempting to transition from street fentanyl to Buprenorphine via the Bernese Method/Microdosing 7 day protocol, however I have been encountering problems which have made it extremely difficult to cut out using the fentanyl. After taking my dose of (for example) 4 Mgs and higher, roughly 60 to 90 minutes in, I become fairly sick going from a stable (from fentanyl), COWS of 0 to double digits and by two hours in the feeling just becomes so intense that I revert to taking fentanyl to mitigate the symptoms. Is there something I am doing incorrectly or is this to be expected? I have been stuck in this cycle for months now, never getting beyond 8mgs and not becoming sick. I don't believe its precipitated withdrawal though I cant be certain and any feedback would be so greatly valued and appreciated - thanks in advance
thats because fentanyl is too strong...theres not enough research on it. buprenorphine is for heroin...not fentanyl..and the problem is fentanyl takes days to leave your system
Same happened to me. Once I got 4-6mg within like an hour I was miserable and flipping out getting chills so bad I was screaming. I have been looking and I might try the bridge device I just don’t know if I want to make the jump and get it. It’s very expensive so it will make things sorta tight but I don’t know what other plan I can do while still working full time running a business and not be sick because I don’t react well to any other meds 😢
My understanding has always been, if you introduce suboxone to your body while it still has opiates in it, you will go into instant withdrawal. Can someone please clarify this for me?
I did this 3 day plan. I was addicted to street Fentanyl for 2 years. This is the only plan that worked. And yes, I quit in 3 days. I was a 10 pill/blue user a day. Which is nothing compared to some people. I didn't smoke it. I'd take Fent pill/ tiny pieces sublingually. This Dr's plan is essentially 'microdosing' Suboxone. Not the half Suboxone strip that's recommended. Or full strip. Because if u do that- It will throw u into withdrawals instantly. This plan allows you to continue taking Fentanyl while you're craving it. While taking about 1/8 of a Suboxone strip daily. So u experience zero withdrawals at all. U don't have to wait 3 days of being Fent free to do this. You can do this plan while still using Fent. Your brain gets tiny microdoses of Suboxone. Allowing u to keep using Fent. By the 3rd day- Your brain is so full of Suboxone. That you don't even crave Fentanyl anymore. This Dr is a genius . And I'll never understand why his method is not the norm within addiction medicine. The fact he is giving this advice for free??? He is a humanitarian.
This is the best news to see that with fetty you need to keep useing a lil bit till ya trans over to subs very helpful going to try this tomorrow cause i did start this before i saw the vid thanks Doctor for telling us the best way hopethis model catchs on in the east coast
I have been n pain meds for icee 15 years. I don’t understand the addiction ppl have. I rely on pain medication to able to work and survive the day but after a long period of time the medication starts to hurt more than it helps so I just go off if it. It’s uncomfortable but it’s not unbearable or brutal. I just sleep for 3 days wake up and all the symptoms are gone. Then I will stay off the medication for a few weeks then I start back up because my pain becomes unbearable. But it’s a fine balance because the pain medication also makes the pain much worse over time.
I’m in Tacoma Washington. My son just turned 16 years old. He’s been using fentanyl powder meth and alcohol from what I’ve been told. Has overdosed using Narcan several times from what he’s said. I’ve finally found his location in Lacey and plan to go get him. I don’t know how to treat him when I get him home and taking him to the hospital or to treatment are not a working option. He wants to to get clean and has been able to detox on his own before. How can I get ahold of Buprenorphine to help his come down so he will be able to detox without the severe withdrawals that have lead him to leave??
@@SarahO87 So, please get him into either a methadone Clinic or Subuxone Clinic that knows how to taper the way spoken of here. It can be a 3 to 7 day plan. I think the 7 would be more efficient! The Bernese Method. Don't give up hope. ♥️😇
I went 4 days without doing fentanyl and did smallest amount of a dust partcal...I was in that shit 13 hours...if you doing them daily on the regular...i wouldn't take that shit at all. My cousin died and that day i quit cold turkey that day. That 4th day I had put me back negative 3 because i thought I could do a small amount of a sub and ill never do one again... Took me 40 days and something still right...I don't do subs or anything and there's no withdraws anymore. Be brave and except what you signed up for and take your life back...Im rooting for you all
I wonder if Narcan Nasal sprays would be safe and effective? They use it to stop overdoses, so shouldn't that basically do the same thing as detoxing? If I knew I had to wait 3 days and my will power isn't good enough, I wonder if forcing all the Fent with Narcan would be an ez alternative.
Thanks for the panicked responses lol... Im assuming that means it would put me in horrible precip... I always wondered because whenever I overedosed and they narcaned me... I just felt a bit weird in the head... not prec withdrawal... But maybe thats because there was just soo many opiates that it just did enough to keep me alive and not put me in precip.
Relapsed on fentanyl after 5 yrs clean bc my insurance policy changes caused me to get discharged w no taper off methadone. 160 mgs. My family and followers have no idea. I srsly need help.
Can someone please help me I’ve lost so much and and I don’t want to lose anymore. I want my life back and my relationship. I do t want to die will someone please help me
I’m sorry I’m confused smh 🤦♂️ are you saying on day one to start taking Suboxone? Are you freaking nuts? That puts you into an instant acute withdrawal maybe I’m not understanding this correctly can someone please explain
My bf been on fetnayl for 7 years he's 22 now I've had to revive him numerous times and had call ambulance while me and my son are giving him cpr till ambulance comes he's od 77 times I'm so sick of wording if he's gonna b dead when I get home I don't no what else to do hi can't go work cse I'm afraid he's gonna b dead when I get home 😢😢😢😢it's tearing us apart but I refuse to leave him because it'll just b worse and I don't believe in giving up on some body please help us please
I need help understanding so I'm currently taking 24mg a day so 3 8mg suboxone strips one when I wake up one around noon and the 3rd around 3 or 4 pm and im still smoking fetty as we speak when I try not to smoke and just take subs I still feel like I'm Withdrawaling from the fetty can I just stop doing fetty and just keep taking subs and not Withdrawal from the fetty
This is ME too! Like what the fuck I do not understand! :( how are you doing. I’m at such a loss I’ll loose it all I’ve tried so hard. I’m on a high sub mg but still using it makes no sense when I try to stop it’s awful like ahhhh
Idk why but always forget about Kratom and when I was using percs this helped a ton. I thought about getting some and taking that when I’m suppsue to stop the fetty and see if that works. Honestly it’s my last freaking hope!
Man what a hole that is to be in. 24 mg of sub/ day? Plus fent? I'm not sure how to get off that. I just quit fent about 29 days ago. Went cold turkey for 5 days then took 3 mg of sub which fixed me. How are you now?
I've been using fentanyl for almost 2 years an im about to start the 3-4 day program ,,im sick an tired of it,,please pray for me,,,ill keep u posted on my progress,,
Man, I see you haven’t posted an update. My advice the bigger the habit the longer you stretch the micro dose schedule out. The slower you take it the less chance of uncomfort and WD you will have.
You gone beat that shxt fam. It's some medicine call ibogaine. It's in africa
@vbsyn47 any update ? I’ve been addicted for about 5 years one point of time smoking more than 120 pills in a day and I’m so tired of being useless and just wasting my life away tryna numb pain that will never go away ! I will get sober for the new year pray to god for me and bless everyone that’s going through any tough/hard/ sad/bad times hope everyone has a merry Christmas
Hey y'all! User since 4/2020 sober since 6/2023 writing this 12/21/23. If you can get on methadone that's the best thing you can do if you have a strong mind but weak body. Get to a clinic get set up with them when you take your first dose wait 4-5 hours see how sick you get after and try to do that everytime you dose ( yes you can use in hours leading up to dose or the parking lot before you walk in idgaf be smart tho) when you're on methadone for about a week or two try to cut down on fent. I got sober on methadone in less than two weeks at 60mg ( I had expected to need up to 150-200mg since I could smoke a 100 pack like nothing without falling out.
I went into the clinic on a Friday took my dose at the clinic and then got my two weekend doses to take home and bring back empty Monday. They prescribed me cyclobezeipine and clonidine to get me through the initial withdrawl and then Zofran for stomach cramp/nausea I only woke up to take more prescriptions as recommended on the bottle and my daily dose of methadone on Monday I came into the clinic for dose and was feeling pretty good.
I'm currently at 120mg and I move up about 5-10mg a month or so just to stay comfortable.
My wife has been on same time and dose as me and still isn't clean I don't blame her one bit it's not easy but if you supply yourself with the right medications it can be manageable instead of near impossible
Ibogaine or NAD+ IV Therapy. Both are great for healing addiction
I love how honest you are about this. So many doctors will straight up get mad at you if you bring up the bernese method. I think for heroin waiting a day to induce isnt so bad. But fentanyl is a diff anaimal.. no way all these addicts will go through fent wds for a full week before being induced. During wds you cant even sleep so the nights are the hardest when all u want to do is sleep but you feel like youre being punished for every single bad thing youve done in your life.
Dude. You're not kidding about the insomnia. I just finally kicked fentanyl (hopefully for good this time), but I had to do it by taking 2 suboxone straps 36 hours after my last dose. It threw me into intense precipitated withdrawal. But that only lasts about 2-3. I mean it's intense agony, but worth it to me just just get it done and over with. But now I'm good, don't have the urge to spend 70%-80% of my salary just to feel normal and not dope sick. Feels like a curse has been lifted or something.
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@@denimdan908 congratulations on your detox. How have you been these last two weeks since you kicked it if you don't mind me asking..?
@@denimdan9082-3 days?
@@denimdan908 So your PWD only lasted 2-3 hours? I had done something similar. Quit for 48 hours then took 2mg sub and went absolutely bonkers so I pulled myself out of PWD because I heard it could last days...
I've been fighting my addiction for over 4 years and came across this video and I just want to thank you for all the work that you're doing!! I have no medical insurance and I will be trying this method out, so I'll keep you posted on how it goes. I'm crying as I'm writing this because I literally have no one to run to for help and no where to turn to. I just want to get control of my life again and be happy. It's been so hard but this gave me some hope that I can do it. Thank you so much!!!
Me to 4 years you tube the bridge electric earpiece treatment watch that video come back here let me know your thoughts the best thing I have done is I've tapered I used 4 times in 13 days you don't know how bad you felt until you feel better the only thing that's been helping me is kratom but I do not enjoy fent no more I'm on the verge of of being a human again I also want to try Suboxone do me a favor and look at the bridge electric ear pice tho
You can do it brother I'm going threw exact same problem ....
Did it work
Update?
Am going threw the same help plz!!!!
I was clean for 3 years
Was on oxy for years
Last 6 months was fentayl
I had three years clean
And around January I relapsed cuz of subs
I was taking subs and couldn’t find any so got oxy
Then end up grabbing the fakes
And now it’s Monday and I haven’t had fentayl since Saturday
But bought 60 oxy 10mg
Got 10 left
And still can’t sleep and cold and hot
Sweats
Im just trying to get the fentayl out of me and then start these subs I have
I have to get clean again
So depressed and ashamed of myself
Nobody knows my problem and loosing close people to me cuz I had to just cut everybody off
Have three kids and have them 4 days a week
They go to their moms tonite
Im thinking since won’t have them til Friday
Take all the oxy tonite and start on the subs tomorrow nite
I did this once I’ll do it again
Just sucks doing stuff alone
Especialy dope sickness
Idk
Good luck to everybody and I’ll keep all of us in my prayers
you got this brother!!! my prayers go out to you 🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@YLNT thank you
I haven’t slept once yet I’m hoping this weekend I’ll get sleep
But man I feel so much better
It’s the first 2-3 days people can’t handle
But if you force yourself and keep asking god for the strength he’ll grant you your wishes
Thank you for your prayers
I understand your struggle. You
Are not alone.
I can feel your pain. Praying your back on subs safely.
Fent is a whole new ballgame.
But no drug is so strong we can't beat it.
You can beat this. Your kids are facing same drugs now you see
A glimpse of what they will face. You can overcome. You are created for this moment.
Thank you for posting. Encouraging.
@@CCC303THIZZ how are you doing now brother? i went thru the same thing before i know how it is, it feels like a journey… one stranger to another im goddamn proud of you.
F bro I feel you 💯. I’m in the same boat. Lmk how you do. I have a female friend who is a doctor and she did ibogaine and has been off for 4 months now. Pretty impressive I’m thinking about trying that. I’ve also got methadone and subs but scared to start bc I can’t work being dope sick. Have to take the fet just to appear normal, it sucks
I'm going to be starting detoxing at home unfortunately I hope I make it please pray for me also
🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️
Please tell me you made it.
How did you do it
He didnt it is honestly impossible.
It's not impossible I just detoxed in jail, after the 80 hr mark you start to feel normal again, don't tell yourself It's impossible or you make it 100x worse for yourself
I’ve had a dealers habit for 7 years now, using 2 to 4 grams of uncut fentanyl & I started to taper myself down to like a .2 a day and kept going down. I felt no withdrawals. If I can do this anyone could. You just have to train your brain to feel disgusted of the drug, and start doing other activities that will keep your mind busy. I wish everyone the best of luck.
How did you feel no withdrawals going from 2-4G down to .2 ? Were you only using 1 times a day or a few times a day when u started to sweat?
You could sleep after you stopped fully? No sweats or restless legs?
I'm about to start in a few days quitting this stuff smh please tell me how do you sleep or if any at all..I smoke about .2 grams a day..is it dangerous to quit at home? How were you taking it?
Don’t come on here and tell such obvious lies lol
Bro you can’t be serious there’s no way you didn’t go thru withdrawals or some sort of it
You saying you tapered off using fentanyl the whole taper?
I’ve kicked my addiction, I went broke 🤷🏽. Grew tired of my $2000+ a week salary going to getting high. Came a point where it was get high and be homeless or quit, suffer withdrawal and enjoy life. I chose the latter. May sound sick, but I enjoyed the withdrawal experience like it was a challenge! Been clean 3 yrs
😮i used to cry going to cop my pills I hated feeling controlled we do recover
Your a savage bro how's being normal goin?
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I tried that that protocol with 1/4 mg in a milligram and then 2 mg I took the first milligram and I went straight in the precipitation I almost died I'm telling you this right now because I am so sick I can't stand it I have many hits of Suboxone do I continue to increase the dosage right now or do I have to keep going through this withdrawal
@@charlesgrunenberg5985 You must date on whatever you’re using until you introduced the Suboxone slowly into your system and do an a half is too much to start you need to start with micrograms like take a strip cut it in half and then cut it four more times on 1/2 but it’s important that you stay on whatever you’re using if BBC it’s fentanyl or oxycodone whatever it is heroin and you stay on whatever you’re using until you can actually stop which would take like I said between five and seven days but you have to stay on whatever narcotic you’re on until it kicks in and you don’t wait and start going to withdrawals and then take it no you don’t even go on the withdrawals if you do it righthave
It's weird because you have to get the fetty out of your system in order to take subs but you don't need the subs out of your system to get high off fetty. 🤯
Going through withdrawl can be a spiritual experience if you push your mind to its limits and once you get to the other side let me tell you OMG!
Did you do cold turkey?
@Nic-no8nf yeah I did and it sucks but once you get you're appetite it's damn near over almost a year clean and I couldn't be happier if I can do it so can you!
@@Whatsthe_dill Thankyou I’m beyond confident I can stay away from it I want a normal life & I want to be healthy. It’s just getting off this garbage. I bought a notepad to write the bags i do and to start tapering myself down tmw but I feel at some point I just need to get it over with. I hope I can find the strength to do it asap. I’m very spiritual so I’m hoping that will get me through the hard parts mentally
It truly is. You feel so proud of yourself and relieved. No more being broke no more stealing no more asking for money. No more waking up worried about the next high. No more waking up feeling like shit. You can start to SEE YOUR KIDS again if you have any. Its a huge accomplishment and its something that took a lot of dedication and discipline and suffering so naturally you feel very proud of yourself in the end 👍
It's not about the "next high" anyone truly addicted knows that it's about staying well because after a while you don't even get high anymore but without it your body goes into withdrawal which is pure H*E*L*L!! People without an addiction to opiates don't, won't, and just can't understand it even if they have witnessed it happening to someone else. Unless you go through it yourself you won't get it. I absolutely hate it when people say "worries about the next high" because it's not even about that. Like first of all there's no waking up because you can't even sleep. We aren't talking about meth or crack here. People without opiate addiction have no place even speaking on it.
I tried it and went into precipitated withdrawal
After much suffering I off now thanks be to Jesus
Yes this is a high dose in a small amount of time the point is precip you want to get the fett off your receptors
That's the worst shit ever!!!!
I dont even know where to start, these past 3 years of me being hooked on fentanyl went by so fast, man i remember i just started with the blues a.k.a. m-30 and when i couldn't get a high off those anymore, i quickly turned to fentanyl, i just couldn't stand the withdrawals from the m-30 and as soon as i got hooked on fentanyl it was all over, it was like that very first high i got when i did blues except way stronger and i fell in love with it, and after 2 yrs of percs i abused fentanyl for about a year now & i also want to add that i was on the streets that whole entire time, from my late 19's literally all the way till i turned 22, and the only reason i even had to get sober was because i went to jail, and finally after 3 yrs on the streets, i went 2 weeks clean in jail and as soon as i got out i was gifted a trailer from my mom so i was no longer on the streets, and it tears my soul apart to sadly say i relapsed 😭 i just got a job and now i have more money than ive had in a while, and i just started abusing it even more and i just wanna stop and change my life, i feel like god gave me a second opportunity and i dont wanna mess up so im gonna try this and hopefully i change...ill keep updated..
So what’s in the blue 30s?
Praying for you! You can do it
You have to get a sponsor you need someone to be accountable to, I’m so sad for you please get better we are all pulling for you
God has given me more chances than I ever deserved… you are worthy and he will grant you another chance. Just put in the work you got this
Same bro. Ion like m/30 fentanyl fake blue pill Percocet that’s not even Percocet it’s really fentanyl thass why people die when swallomg it when your supposed to smoke it on foil instead dummy them but when doing straight white fentanyl I felt wayyy better and not that ehwhww nauseous feeling when hitting the m/30 but instead kinda tasted like the m/30 and is wayy much better medication that it’s that “medication” term now hell yeeah. But shi I still do throw up if I smoke too much so I make it last to make it through the night only by tryna do it less in the day time then sleep an if I wake up I juss do sum more to help me sleep and get through the dam impossible forever ass night and then morning thank god when I start struggling to keep up my dum I hate myself habit it’s just like medicine at this point though now sadly. But I’ll get through it I was forced to when I was sent to jail so it’s all in my head but I still can’t get any sleep at first but fuck ahh hell will come and has to be dealt with either way eventually.
UPDATE: I am now 53 days clean and sober. Thanks to 12 step recovery and sublocade. Hope everyone here is ok!
❤❤❤
I hope you are still sober
How do u feel the first few days? Would i still b able to work doing this
....
Except you aren't really clean. Without Sublocade you would go into withdrawal.
I’m 24 and I’ve been addicted to fent for a year.. it’s taken over my life. I’ve struggled with opiate addiction before, twice with two different opioids. I got myself clean, went through withdrawal by myself and didn’t tell a soul. Had nothing to help with pain I just quit cold turkey and felt like I was dying but I was able to get through it. I’ve tried that with fent but I legitimately can’t do anything. I’ve passed out a few times while going through withdrawal. Idk what to do, no one knows I’m addicted to I have no support. I don’t want anyone to know, it would kill my mom. I wish I had one person to talk to who understands. I’ve never done detox or rehab, I’ve never had medical help with addiction or withdrawal and I’m not sure where to start. I’m scared to call a hotline and i don’t know what to expect from the process of detoxing and quitting fent.
Expect 2 weeks of hell for Fent
I'm 23 I been addicted for 3 years I been to detox at Mexico 3 time 4 month each I been clean for 3 month now I was just tired of it and being lock up tbh so I just came to Mexico bc tbh there no pills here they will kill you if they see you with pills but I'm going back to phoenix soon hope I don't fuck up again 😅
try going to a detox center, you can go to the hospital and they will usually recommend detox clinics for you, or go on google and search for inpatient detox its free at most places with insurance, it sucks to not have anyone to support you , if i were you i would come clean to your parents they will do whaever it takes to help you. detox is the best way to go tho if you cant get thru it at home they will give you comfort meds and after 5 days youll feel better and then they will give you meds to take home
I’m 27 rn, went through my first withdrawal from fent @ 24 [and a few more times since then]. Was doing 1-1.5 g a day, iv & my first time detoxing, I had been using for 9 months. I’ve tried every single way & everything to try and get through withdrawals. Tried showers/baths, bed rest, cold/hot towels, gabapentin, Imodium, kratom, the Bernese method, etc. The Bernese Method is the best thing to do if 1. U have suboxone 2. You can stay strong through it without breaking. It’s not painless but it’s way better than every single other method. Problem is, it’s REALLY hard to mentally stay strong even though the physical pain isn’t as bad. I was only successful ONCE and I still ended up relapsing soon after it.
If you haven’t been able to do it by yourself I really really recommend going to detox [even if you don’t have insurance, there are places that will take you]. Even though you’ll get medication, if you’ve been using for a bit, it’s still going to really suck but being in a detox helps bc it kinda helps you stick it out bc you don’t have access to go freaking use, unless you dip out of there. But a lot of ppl end up sticking it out bc they’re too sick to leave. Being in the environment sucks but it’s only 7 days and it’s the best way to do this. I’m just going to be straight up.
Unfortunately I’ve been through this alot so if u have questions or need some tips, I got u yo! You can do it even though it seems fckin impossible 🤙🏼💕
This how I feel I’ve quit before off blues now I’m on fent nobody knows I think it’s possible u can do it or goto detox for a week
It's crazy I was telling people for years that I need to wait at least 72+ hours then take as much subs I can handle over small doses then use fent one or two more times and then use subs again and they'll usually start to work but yeah I won't be getting high because of the bupe but it will make it tolerable if I just try to switch to only subs than it won't work for me. The only way I can ever make this work is go to a detox get dosed after waiting then leave and go to another detox ASAP. It looks like they're finally seeing I wasn't crazy or just trying to use but it's was the only tolerable way I could find.
On the 3rd day of fentanyl withdrawal, you'll feel like you have the worst hangover ever multiplied by 10x, and you got hit by a car, and you're dying from cancer. All at the same time and for 2 or 3 weeks. I've done it 3 times, and it is excruciating and not worth the high fentanyl gives.
How long were you using for?
OK so I’ve been doing fentanyl ivy for two years and stopped doing IV and now I snored it for about a year and a half been doing it on an off since I was 20 I’m 30 had a few years clean got back on it. Nothings changed since so starting today. Obviously I have to have fitting all to make it through the day or I’m worthless, can’t move can’t sleep can’t go anywhere. But anyways I did a small amount of fentanyl today and took about 0.5 mg of Suboxone at the same time I’m gonna do the same thing every single day until I get enough in my system to where I can just take it and I’m gonna go a day with no fentanyl after day three and just take Suboxone. I hope this works because I have a house and a wife and two dogs and a job and if I can’t go to work, I’ll lose everything
I’m in your exact same shoes I been sick since for three days keep getting burned spent my rent and insurance money all on fake shit trusting people lmk how your week went I got work tmrw too and idk how ima make it I e already been gone from work three days and got like 250 left to my name
Can you please give me an update on how it worked out?! I’m about to do this too. I relapsed and I’m at a month 2-3 sometimes 4 a day. I’ve had days I’ve been able to skip.
I would love to hear how it went for you? Cuz I have subs and want to try this
I took .50 of sub trying the burnese method and I'm sick as fuck.
PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU STOP THE FENTANYL AND GO STRAIGHT TO SUBOXONE THAT YOU DONT USE THE ENTIRETY OF THE SUB. TAPER YOURSELF UP AGAIN AND DO IT SLOWLY EVERY 6 HRS. precipitated withdrawal is no joke I thought I was going to die taking a whole sub after using fentanyl a few hrs prior. Start with a 1/16 and another 6hrs later. Max I would start with is 1/8 maybe 3/8 but make sure to slowly work your way up. All love good luck 🤞 you just might be you again and have that clarity you've been dying to have. I know the feeling. Sick and tired of being sick and tired.
@@therealgodsjoshuamatthew7633do not take Subs with fentanyl
I wanna cry typing this right now, I’m on my girlfriend’s account. I’ve been using for 2 years, everyday, well sometimes I’d go through withdraws for like 2 days until I get more. It gets worse every time. I literally do anything to get high and spend all our money on it. I’m so scared to quit, cause of the withdrawals. Please help me please I wanna stop I’m tired of this.
The problem with opiates is you can’t quit without going through hell…. The hell only last a few days if you do it right.
Get yourself a 8mg Suboxone & if you take 1/3 each day for 3 days & you take loperimide for your diarrhea & then you just need to stay hydrated & keep your mind occupied for the few days.
By Thursday or Friday you’ll feel much better & be free from the physical sickness… you may not feel the best but the hard part will be over & you’ll be able to manage everything else with Tylenol… Tylenol is also great during withdrawal & magnesium & condone & melatonin
@@russiachinanorthkoreastatetv I want to try Suboxone, I’m so scared of the withdraws, I literally lay down ALL DAY AND NIGHT literally not once do I get up until I get more. I don’t eat or anything. Fucking sucks rehabs isn’t free or willing to help someone out who can’t afford it or insurance
So I’ve noticed that a lot of you’s do not know how to follow directions no where in this video does he say to wait hours before taking the suboxone 🤦🏽♀️ the point is to keep using the fentanyl while taking the suboxone . When you wake up in the morning take the fentanyl first and then take the suboxone I waited about 15 minutes before taking the suboxone after taking the fentanyl and right after taking the suboxone I took a little more fentanyl. I noticed that when I take the suboxone first thing in the morning without taking the fentanyl first I start to feel withdrawal symptoms so take the fentanyl first in the morning before taking the suboxone I’ve noticed a lot of us wondered what to take first and no one would answer so here is my outlook on it. I hope this helps and remember we can do this GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL
Any luck
God damn that’s scary to do some fent and then some subs right after talk about jumping into the fire
Right makes me think I'ma be presick I've had it happen with a Subutex , so Suboxone is different or? I'm confused@@jamesa6080
Btw check my comment. You did it wrong and you didnt follow directions btw. You were experiencing precipitated withdrawal after using the Suboxone so soon after fetty. U then had to use more fentanyl to overcome what could've been what feels like the flu x1000 if u had no fentanyl after the sub so soon after using an opioid. You wait about 6 hours using, then do a 1/16 of 8mg sub, then another 6 and one more 1/16 then another 6 and switch to 1/8 and so on. You MUST wait at least 24 hrs in my opinion to do this successfully without anymore fentanyl after the original use. You can also do it the other way and do small fentanyl amounts once at night but always wait until morning to start tapering slowly up on your sub/bup dose. Any questions feel free I've done it multiple times myself successfully without getting sick and having to do more fentanyl after the sub
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This is exciting because I was at a facility where I detoxed and at the 48-hour I was in such grueling pain it was indescribable... they only gave me lucemyra and it did not do the job I was absolutely beside myself at the 48th hour I was in such pain I had to leave the facility anyway thank you for putting this up doctor
Look up advanced rapid detox they got me off fent in 4 days w no withdrawal ! They sedate you for 24 hours and flush it all out of your system then they give you a vivitrol shot while your under and it blocks your receptors so you don’t have cravings like I literally went to sleep woke up and was good! Now I’m 25 days sober and I’m just trying to save lives w this info!
Did u use suboxone on the 48th hour?
@@joelgallegos7740he left as in he left to use
Don’t feel bad my -my friend-went to two detoxes in the last month and a half in the first one they had to leave at day seven because that’s when they finally went to full withdrawal when everything let go and there is nothing at the detox that they can give my friend so they had to go use on the second one they weren’t for 10 days went to full withdrawal on the eighth day, but was still locked in for the last two days. Had to get out and use again if the last detox I just kept my friend on Ativan for the last four days of the detox maybe my friend could’ve went to rehab, or even stayed another week on Ativan until they were completely off but now these motherfuckers and these detoxes are just collecting money and acting like it’s heroin what part of lipophilic like methadone they don’t get it beyond me. My advice to people is, unless you have talked specifically to the doctor and know exactly what the protocol is and what they have on board for when you go into actual withdrawal. Don’t even bother going to detox. It’s just a torture session.
Yep. Terrible. I felt like I was crawling out of my skin for almost a week. Felt like I had a skin allergy/sensitivity. & sleep was nonexistent. Worst thing I think I’ve ever been through.
I was on fentanyl for about 17 years and I thought I would never be free from it, this works!!
I have been on 50mcg fentanyl patch for 17 yrs as well which was always prescribed by a pain management dr. I was always offered 5mg oxycodon each month for breakthrough pain , which I never took. I want off of this so bad, but I know how bad WD’s are and I’m seriously scared. I’ve never taken any street drugs. I’m 56 and single mom who has had horrible pain for a good part of my life. This is so overwhelming and so scary knowing that my dr has no idea how to get me off. I know his plan would be to go down on my mcg’s of fentanyl and I just know that will not work. I’m also terrified that I will go through horrible withdrawal,anxiety and depression and will not be able to take care of myself or my daughter. I would love to be able to discuss how u did this successfully. I’ve been having anxiety for months with this on my mind. I’m at the point that I’m barely functioning in life bc I’m so worried. I’m so happy to hear that you have gotten free from this hell. No dr should be giving this med to any patient except maybe a terminal cancer patient, but I think there are other ways they deal with that.
Wow congratulations. I hope you're doing well. You did this actual method and had good results? I'm assuming it was medically prescribed because of how long you were on it? Or am I wrong and it was street fentanyl? I don't know if that'd make a difference but just asking for clarification. Thank you in advance. Keep fighting!!!
It was prescribed...100 mlg patch plus 15 mlg oxycodone every 8 hrs. Hope you're doing well and thank you!! I'm doing well💖✝
@@GEORGETTE7773 I’m so happy for you. I’ve been on the 50 mcg patches going on 18 yrs. I do not take anything for breakthrough pain bc I refuse the prescription when they try to give it to me. I’m not sure how this whole process works , but at this point I want to get off of this patch , but my body is so sensitive that I know I will prob have very bad withdrawals. I hope I can find a dr to help me do this the same way u did. Was it very difficult?
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I just left rehab within 12 hours of getting there I'm 23 they only gave me Tylenol and offered me Suboxone in a couple days I could do it so I left used and I just want to be clean man
Doesn’t sounds like you want to get clean. Time to pay the piper and handle the withdrawl. You’re strong enough, you just have to want it. To the point where you want to withdraw because you know your life will be better after for it.
Day 4 tomorrow almost there ! Didn’t sleep for days . Puking and hot& cold sweats, gooses. That’s the worse. Wasn’t tired at all. My legs were the worst. F subs! Then u get stuck on them after and they take up to a month to fully feel no symptoms . Going strong !❤
Always remember you can always take more. I've been in full blown presip over 20x my Dr told me it was in my head that Presipitated withdrawal symptoms didn't exist.... yah right I have PTSD from Presipitated withdrawal symptoms...
Take more of the opiate and less subs
Yeah but then you switch from bupe to sublucade when you want to come off;. Which is an injection that lasts a month. Especially good if you're going into jail
Ptsd is right. Longterm opiate use and constantly living in and out and of fear of withdrawal has most definitely given me Ptsd. Now precip that's an unexplainable traumatic experience.. Good God I wish and I hope more medial professionals provide and firmly and repeatedly reinerate what precip is because for anyone who's been sick you think oh I just get tripped into being dope sic k if I get precip. YOU COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG, precip takes being dope sick multiplys it by 100x all at once , plus I had the most disasociatative state similar to tripping like the worst withdrawals I've ever had while on lsd or something. Oh and I forgot to mention while all that was happening the deep feeling of overwhelming doom and fear on top of all that. Precip needs more respect and education about it's causes /avoidance/and what to do if u do screw up and go into precip what u can and can't do in that situation. (I think the most traumatic part of my first precip experience was after I began to grasp what was happening that I had no information, no idea when all the pain and horror was gonna stop? Was it going to stop? Was there more, am I at risk of severe bodily harm I dint have a single answer to ay of those? S even though I was prescribed suboxone and in a suboxone program I only had precip wd mentioned briefly a time or two. So stay informed. ALWAYS WAIT dbl the time from last use to 1st sub dose cuz however sick u feel. Nothing will compare to thinking ur sick enough or long enough from opiate use and popping sub hoping for relief can and will throw u to new meaning of withdrawal. It's ALWAYS BETTER to wait.
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My bf and I are starting this today! Will update yall. Pray for us we are so tired of being in bondage. ❤ God Bless
how is it going
Update????
What's the word? Did the micro dosing work?
Update
People if you’re getting strong withdrawal you’re doing it wrong, decrease the sub and increase the opiate for a short time then try again it’s a dance between the two medications, you start out with a micro dose you don’t start out with the 2 mg, remember when starting subs less is more if you take too much at first you’ll put yourself into precipitated withdrawal. If that happens take more of the opiate just until you’re not so sick then stop and wait as long as you can until start the subs again and it should be a small dose just a half of a mg.
So do you wait as long as possible with going without then take the smallest piece of sub? Then if that isn't working do a little bit of whatever you have? Then wait a few hours & take another small piece of sub? I'm trying to understand but keep seeing different answers
@@MrAkaprimetimewhat exacltys your question because I can Def answer a lot about bupe/suboxone and the dance between using opiate and bupe (the dance mentioned) and the absolute donts as well as the dos. What she said above is Def correct but if you have some? S specifics I'll be glad to help and share my experiences because I've spent a lot of time researching while trying to get onto suboxone or quit opiates and the internet is really hard. I've seen 10 different answers to a? I know the answer but there are so many specific instances and situations it's easy to get info mixed up and that's how u can try a great medicine assisted detox like this and have a bad experience because misinformation. So hope I can help and in your search keep asking till u feel confident u understand as opposed to trying it out and seeing what happens. U can save your self from a nightmare vs a rather very mild successful detox.
I def need help. I get to the 7th day on the subs but when I try to stop the fetty I feel like I’m withdrawling and it sucks it’s like I can stop using the fetty. Am I not taking enough subs I’m on 24mg and I still can’t stop the fetty I’m at a fuckin loss :( thanks for any help!
@Danielle-zy7un it's never a failure. Just stay on the buprenorphine 16mg+ a day and try to slowly taper your opiate use tell you can just go without.. I'm in the same spot. I'm on steady 16 mg a day but I still need to stop the opiate.. keep in touch... it's getting better every day
Also the buprenorphine seems to stimulate me. The anxiety might just be from the subs... but it takes time.... I think just stay on subs until you can stop the fet..... I personally have to split my dose of subs because it's to stimulating for me..
I'm on day 2. It's working. Tomorrow 4 doses of 2mgs of Suboxone and minimal fentanyl. I feel a little lethargic, because I think the Suboxone is starting to build in my system. I'm not sick at all though, and the fentanyl is not getting me high. I'm very excited about this. I just can't go into treatment and I have to go back to work in 5 days. I was skeptical of course, but it's working.
Hello, Im about to start doing this same micro dosing schedule come tomorrow morning. How is yours going thus far? I wanna say your on day 5 now, maybe. Hope it's continuing to go well for you. I'm extremely nervous about starting it, as I don't want to go into precipitated, terrified too. But I want off of this evil stuff so badly I HAVE to do something, I want out. I'm wondering if .5 is really ganna be okay for me to start with or should I do a .25 just in case. I also work and have kids I can't stop taking care of. Hints the TH-cam profile. So I'm really trying to make and have a plan to get onto the Suboxone.
How long after use of fentanyl do you wait until you take the sub ?
@@beckymm1989 clearly you didn't understand the video after watching it because nowhere in the video does he talk about the last use of fentanyl before you start the Suboxone
@@adrianmg52 check other videos, especially if you’re more of a severe user. This sounds like a bunch of soccer moms/dads who got hooked on tramadol and somehow got ahold of fentanyl patches. If you have a real problem check around, I read someone else comment that they took one of their doses to close to the other and it threw everything off. Idk exactly what they meant. I kinda took it as taking his full agonist to close to his micro sub dose. But take lots of what you read here with a grain of salt. Some ppl on here could read the simplest instructions and STILL mess it up. So it could’ve been some dumb mistake on their part not following the set doses/times.
How did this end up working for you?
Why haven't I heard of this before? This might be the best way to transition that I've heard of.
You got this brother! I will pray on it for you. The fact that you’re doing this it’s inspiration and motivation for me. God bless wish you the best and hope to hear back from you & your progress.
this is trully an amazing breakthrough that I HOPE THE REST OF THE COUNTRY CAN GET ON BOARD WITH... IT SEEMS SO EASY BUT TOO MANY DOCS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEYRE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO HELPINHG US GET OFF THIS CRAP FOR GOOD . GOD BLESS ANYONE STRUGGLING WITH any ADDICTION... YOU ARE WORTH THE FIGHT, DONT GIVE UP 15 MINS BEFORE A MIRACLE HAPPENS AND YOU GET TO A NEW LIFE ... LOVE ALL OF YA... ONE DAY AT A TIME.. YOU GOT THIS
I’m 18 been doing Fenty and opioid since 15,16it’s crazy i been doin it a while been on and off and trying to stop and get better pray for me I’ve overdosed 6 and more times and it’s crazy but pray for me :)
Praying now...
Honey you have your whole life ahead of you, you’re still young you can still be and have everything you want, you have to want it more than anything, no “high” is worth your life and there is never “just one more” just remember “one and I’m done” you can’t take just one you cannot do it because you’re an addict, you’re sick, not bad and you’re not alone, you have a whole community of people that will pray for you and encourage you. Lord I pray for this child of God, I pray that you heal his mind, body, and soul, from the top of his head to the tips of his toes I pray that you let him know he is worth it and that life can be amazing in sobriety, I pray you will carry him when he’s not strong enough to walk on his own I pray that you surround him with a community of people who are loving and compassionate, I pray that he’s able to find some NA meetings in his community, all of this I ask in your mighty mighty name 🙏🏻 amen.
Also try to find a sponsor and work the steps they will keep you sober, I don’t know you but I have a child and if I lost them to addiction it would ruin me, think of your family if you can’t think of yourself.
You’ll get better one day I hope I do
Get some Kratom and switch to it from Fent. Whin yourself from it and never look back. If you want to get high after you done with opiates smoke some green it's strong enough now days that'll take care of cravings you have. Your body is so strong at your age that switching to Kratom should be walk in the park kiddo. Good luck.
Kratom absolutely doesn't work for fentnyall.
I have a friend thats been smoking and injecting fentynal ever since she was 12 and shes 37 now. I keep trying to help her stop and praying to god with her but she told me she doesn't want to quit im so heartbroken . I love her so much .
Oh God, I pray for you and your friend. This is very different and don't know how to say. Your friend is on drugs for many years since 12 years old and now she is 37. She doesn't remember her normal days, life. This must be on her mind most of the time that how to live a normal life like other clean people, how to start it, will I know how to lead a normal life, etc.. coz all her life is spent addicted and that's the normal life to her.
She needs a very new beginning. Force her for the rehabilitation with her consent and willingness. When the rehab is done, if possible make her go somewhere for a long time or move where she cannot get her choice of drugs.. she has to forget the life of drugs, every single steps she did and took. This is the only life she knows and are comfort with it.
And she has to say NO and stay away from any drugs. Even alcohol or beverages she should not have them because she will relapse back to her old addiction life.
No prayers will work at the beginning. Just force her to the drugs rehabilitation. After that do any amount of prayers for her or do it together with her.
Clean 5 days today. Microinduction. The fentanyl coming in has so much crap in it that this isn't perfectly comfortable. I have a huge op tolerance. Bernese method. First done 2016? You shouldn't be using the agonist freely! As you slowly increase the bup, only use full agonist to be comfortable. Not high. Or chance pushing the bup back. I have come back clean twice this way. A little insomnia, sweats, tossing and turning. But with comfort meds, those can be eased. Staying high isn't realistic for us! Tell yourself that as you push forward. Every day is better. Love to all
My issue is that I get up to the dose of subs and when I try to quit the fetty I feel the withdraws enough to make me smoke and then I’m on subs and still smoking. It’s awful and I have NO idea how the heck to get off this train but I’m desperate
Maybe that was my issue I was still using my gram a day not just using when I felt icky. Does that really make a huge difference? I thought about getting kratom to help with the day when I’m supposed to stop my DOC
What comfort meds did you get?
@@Danielle-zy7un so my doctor gave me
Gabapentin for cramping and muscle twitch,muscle relaxer
Dycyclomine for stomach cramping
Clonidine for heart rate and goosebumps and sweating
Hydroxyzine for anxiety, doesn't do wonders but works
And trazadone for sleep.
The goal is to get the bupe slowly over 7 days. For hard users in my opinion, there's a 9-10 day induction. For me it was being honest. Cold turkey is hell. The ability to slowly come out of the cloudy high while covering those receptors is key. It's bridging. I was taught you ONLY use if it's absolutely needed. Be comfortable but some has to be paid. Slowly while the sub builds up its replacing your choice op on the receptor. And make sure you have the free time to relax. Be honest. Am I using the drug to stay just well enough or am I getting high? I once had a friend of mine hold it. And clearly when I wasn't doing well I would smoke just enough. It's tapering one and stacking the other. My experience you feel some symptoms but they are light-years easier to deal then with NOTHING. Best of luck and I'm cheering you on! Want it!
I have someone whoa dealing with addiction and this sounds like an amazing way for him to transition omg this is game changer!
I got off fentanyl by just taking oxys... and slowly cut those back till I was only taking like 30mg a day. This all took place over a week. I got down to Kratom... should've just quit everything. I'm back to being fucked on fent. I'm going to try and get off them this weekend and transition to oxys again. It's been almost a year of taking these... Wish me luck.
Did it work?
I went 7 days with nothing, took a soboxine, went into severe withdrawl.
Goddamn brother. 7 fucking days and then a severe withdrawl. That's nuts!
Damn kinda glad I chose methadone I gotta drive out there everyday but atleast it worked
Why would you take some thing after being clean for seven days, especially something like subs that are hard to get off of. If anything you should’ve took Kratom, which doesn’t cause precipitated withdrawals and will only give you relief.
I have sworn by this for years, and no doctor would discuss it. Glad science caught up...
I tried cold turkey. I made it 2 days, I was super sick and took 8 migs of Suboxone and went into post acute withdrawal for about 24 hours of hell. I didn't know what to do, because even the micro induction bernes method was not enough time. I was resigned to going back to work with my habit. This paper came out and I tapered the fentanyl for two days and then yesterday morning began this method. It is working.
How's it going
How is it working out for you? Hope you’re doing well!!
Thanks for your input, so the three day method (followed exactly as shown) worked for you? Or did you alter it? We’d love to know here as your experience is valuable and could help many other wanting to recover addicts.
how to you get it
Would love an update. I hope you are doing well. We need this to work and thank you for sharing your journey.
A good tip for restless leg syndrome during withdraw -
Put a brand new bar of Irish Spring soap under your blanket, by your feet.
I have no idea why, but it works!
Water, ibuprofen, more water! Hot showers. Everyday is a day closer to feeling better!
Tell that to someone with cancer
It's the hot showers omg life saving
There’s no possible way. This sounds like the advice they give you when you’re in jail
I take so many showers
@@Maikeruno To be honest, I would take like 8 showers a day. I would literally get in the shower Turner as hot as I could and just lay and sit on the back of floor like that water run home, turn it off, wait a little bit and get right back in that shower. I didn't do nothing but sit on the floor on my knees on my back. What it is about I fucking help
I did this too myself with soblocade. Works better. No sickness
So while I’m doing this method, and I supposed to be taking the fentanyl pills like I would normally take them? Because it does not mention that unless I just overlooked it. Can someone please answer I need help ASAP.
Yes. I did this plan. Was a blue addict for 2 years. His plan is devised so we can keep using while Microdosing Suboxone.
When I say Microdosing - I'm talking 1/8th of a Suboxone strip.
I was able to keep using Fent for the psychological cravings. While Microdosing the Suboxone.
I had zero withdrawals. It allowed a seamless process. Because normally u can't take Suboxone til you've been Fent free for 3 days.
This plan allows u to keep using. Then u don't want the junk after 3-5 days.
I hope u can do it❤❤
I figured this out years ago after theowing myself into precipitated withdrawal numerous times, both times i went to rehab they tried to give me subs after 12 hours lol i refused it for so long that by the time i needed it at 4am i had to wait until the morning to see a dr
Yup thats how they do it all across the country now, 48-96 hour protocol, i too figured this out years ago but it can be a double edged sword.... ive used it for the good and bad, while on subs using. Today i take very minimal sub maybe 1-2 mg a day but i was a shooter for 15 years
I had recently tried this and I felt like when I got to 2 mg it was like I was 5% in precip withdraw all the time and that’s enough to be rly uncomfortable am I doing something wrong? Do I have to take the dose and wait a while before using the normal stuff? Fent of course. I’ve been desperately trying to get off this for a long time plz I need help and no one seems to care the wds are just too much for me
Get kratom. Red maengda
I think it’s the other way around when I tried it and used the dent first I was fine as soon as I used the suboxone first I went into withdrawal I think we are suppose to start off by using the fent first until we keep taking less and less of it and more of the suboxone
Been struggling w drugs for years was a green beret for 8 years last deployment fell off a mountain 3000ft in Syria. Broke both femur dislocated. Both kneecaps broke both tibia and fibia fractured foot. Caught a couple rounds in my stomach as well.
After the hospital was in so much pain and depression getting out of the military after doing 12 years 7 deps, never knew anything else got hooked on fentanyl 7 months ago lost everything basically. Was smoking 30 fake perks a day. I start methadone Thursday pray for me I’m so sick and tired of it.
Update: we did the process but was late on a couple doses but made sure to take them I don’t know if that messed it up but on day 4 we took 12mgs and went into perceptive withdrawal, the weird think tho is it was like a half perceptive withdrawal it was pretty bad for three hours and now it’s been like 8 hours I still feel a bit rough but better than I did when it came on so fast. Please be careful with this, maybe do the 7 day because this wasn’t the best for us.
This comment was enough to scare me off of this method. I have experienced precipitated withdrawal on 3 occasions, the last experience I thought I would die..so I'm not risking that again. This 3 day rapid plan sounds too good to be true. I will try the 7 day plan though, it sounds more realistic...I do hope you guys are doing better now! The drug scene has changed so much in the last couple years, with these nasty Chinese lab-engineered drugs infesting the market. They have made everything much more sinister and dangerous....
@@KamalaIsTrashyu sound like me..I think this is some kinda hoax no lie- how did 7 days go
@@KamalaIsTrash Did you try it? On day 3 of the 7 day plan and so far so good. Obviously a little uncomfortable but nothing crazy.
@@KamalaIsTrash fetynal is no comparison to oxys or oxycodone or methadone. Its much stronger and symptoms 10x
You have to stay on the oxys and introduce the suboxone slowly into your system and then after about 5 or 6 days, you can stop taking them because they won't work anymore but you won't go through withdrawals.
I just got subs from bicycle health and can't quit work to detox. I'm 24hours without about to take my first dose hope this works don't have the luxury of taking off work
I hope everything is working out for you‼️😍. Keep pushing forward, you got this
Your not suppose to start using in the beginning
I tried this so many times and it never worked. When it came time to stop the fentanyl and up the bupe, I always got horrible withdrawals and went back to using fentanyl to stop them. Only thing that worked was going inpatient to a detox, and be in a place where I had no access to fentanyl and no means to go out and use again.
Yeah same here I’m still on H .. and I use a lot DIDNT work for me either I did exactly what it asked to do .. went all the way from half a Mg two times a day the first day and kept using , and upped it by a mg everyday and kept using for like 5/6 days til I was at 8mg total at the last day and every time I would take the sub I’d chill out for a bit and a hour or two after taking the subs I would feel sick literally every time .. rehab seems to be the only way for me to get off .. I use like 3grams of blk a day (smoke) maybe since I use a shitload that’s why it won’t work for ppl who use alot of opiates you know ?
You need to have extreme willpower… I understand that most people don’t and that’s totally understandable. It is pure agony and torture, the closest you can get to hell while still being on earth. If you’re still on 3 grams a day I think thats way too much to try this method. You need to try to get to the lowest dose possible before trying this. Like literally get to a point where you’re only using the bare minimum amount just to get through the night. I recommend megadosing vitamin C, do whatever you can to keep yourself distracted throughout the day
@@LeastWantedOfficial We were just talking about this, a doctor friend and I on Twitter. She was seeing patients with kidney stones as a result of taking too much vitamin c. Absolutely do not megadose vitamin c. It does fuck all for opioid withdrawal, and can cause kidney stones.
You are supposed to be decreasing your fent use as you increase your bupe. Apparently 8mg isn’t enough to keep you from being sick everyone is different
Yeah cut your fent use by a lot gradually.
You could probably get away with taking 1/8th of what you’re currently on before even beginning to transistors to subs.
Can i take methadone for the amount of days to get fentynal out of my system? So methadone while not taking any fentynal, letting the fentynal out of your system and then stopping methadone. Does that work? Like take methadone for 4-6 days. While taking methadone take no fentynal. Then stop the methadone. Will i feel withdrawal?
im on a 21 day methadone detox....started at 40....im on 30mgs now...but I used fetty the first 4 days....im 2 days clean...and I can bearly feel the withdraw....clonidine works miracles...that and just wanting it
How do you get clodinine
I just start methadone maybe 2/3 days ago my first dose was 30mg and then they gave me 40mg and for some reason I feel weird but I didn’t feel weird on my first day I want to be off this shit so bad I did pure fetty for a year and some change damn near and I want to get sober so bad
@berrylola73 ask your dr...its not a controlled substance....it drops your blood pressure because ur blood pressure goes up when withdrawing
@berrylola73 dont let them raise you...and try to get off methadone as soon as u can...drop 5mg a week...when u get to 5mg...and then u stop...u wont really feel too much WD....be aware if u stop methadone abruptly....it'll be hell on earth
@@LUC1FER_R1S1NG just ask the doctor? what if they ask you what are you using it for
How many Fetty per day did you utilize? I'm about to do the same thing
I'm on day two. Subs scared the s*** out of me. Cuz I've got into precipitated withdrawal three different times. And anybody who's been through precipitated withdrawal knows it is the worst feeling on earth. So far on day two I don't have one withdrawal symptom at all this method works I'm super excited that I finally found a way that I can get clean faster than being on methadone for months this method works try it. I will say I'm doing it slower than the doctor had recommended and I am using more comfort meds than she prescribed I went ahead and got some diazepam into mazepam to help me sleep and just sleep through a lot of it but she may not agree with it the best but it is working for me and it will be getting me clean and I am so excited
Let me know. How is going?
Did you start the subs first on the first day? Like was that the first medicine you took or can you explain exactly how you did it? Thanks
Hows it going & what kind of comfort meds are u talking about
Update please
What exactly did you do!? Pls update
So I've been off fetynal for 5 days now. I went to the hospital to get medication to help me detox. They gave me gabapentin and tizanidine surprisingly I didn't have any withdrawal symptoms. My question is do I HAVE to start talking subxone or can I survive without it?
A rapid answer from anyone would be great right now.
I don't feel like absolute death but i don't feel great either. 🙏
I would avoid suboxone if you are able. Chemically Fentanyl has a short half life, which means it breaks down in your body relatively quickly. Suboxone and other prescriptions have a longer half life. Which in the long term you will still need to deal with their own withdrawals and most likely for longer. Also with how potent fentanyl is and you are not in agony is beyond me! I wish you the best in your recovery❤
@@edans_garden 85 days clean and going strong
I hope you keep this video up.
I call this reverse engineering.
Bc i was taking subs when i started fent. Everythjng seemed fine until i ran out of subs and had no way to get more. When i did get more i went into the most god awful gut wrentching withdrawls... OMG.. NO WAY. YOULL EITHER GO CRAZY, HURT YOURSELF OR GET SOME FENT.
ANYWAY THIS WORKS
LISTEN CLOSELY...he says to do both for a week, fent and subs then you follow the schedule. But you can go slower. Lisren also to your body..
The question is do you do the fent first and then the sub because when I tried this before and did the sub first I had to do way more fent because of the pre withdrawals but the first day I did the fent first and then the sub and felt fine it was when I did the sub first that I felt like shit
THANK GOD DOCTORS ARE UNDERSTANDING THIS ABOUT FENT! I found microdosing or waiting almost 3/4 days to take a suboxone to be the only ways to get suboxone to work and not end up feeling worse from suboxone. I spent years having doctors tell me how to induce and people telling me i dont know more than doctors. Dailying increasing microdoses seemed to the best the easiest transition but it also takes a lot of self control which us addicts usually lack. But that’s the only way i could get suboxone to work. With the longer you microdose and the dosage of microdose being biggest factors in ease pf induction.
I love each one of you!
Sir your information was very helpful and informative. Please you have a gift or something about you have a way of letting people know of life saving information. I wouldn't give anybody the time a day .The way you present yourself made me stop and listen. Please share your gift to the world they need all the help they can receive. Thank you very much Sir
Please talk about the revolver Ken. I knew you were a gun slinger, but didn't know the extent.:)
Handmade by a local welder/artist. I keep it on the wall to keep my patients in line
@@KenStarrMDWellnessGroup haha! 😂😊
Am I understanding this correctly....I still do fentanyl and micro dose Suboxone so it builds up in my system and once I built it up to a full Suboxone strip ..stop taking fentanyl...and gradually wean off Suboxone?
What about pre cip withdrawal?
Need help, not only can I not afford it anymore, my life cannot afford this drug. Tomorrow was gonna start but it's so scary because even after 12 hours my body is thumping. Scared to lose my job, just so stressed about this. I have no money to even get a few pills and I just can't keep borrowing. I've experienced the withdrawal and it's scary to say the least. Was going to try n start methadone intake tomorrow, but it's so early 530am I have to be there and they start you off slowly. Anyway, just need help on some ways I can get thru this, I'm a functioning addict. I work full time I am a father to a 23 year old and a grandpa of a 7 yr old. I just want my life back without the everyday scramble to get my fix, feel like my body and mind are no good without the drug. I've taken opiates since my early 20s and I'm 43, graduated to fetynol about 2 years ago, it's just the hardest thing to quit and i am in a rock and a hard place. Thank you
Do doordash. I make like 200 in 6 hours
I quit fent 22 days ago. I went cold turkey for 6 days then started on Suboxone and no precip wd.
When you do this make sure you have your drug of choice in supply. The web says Subs take 45-1hr, I beg to differ. It reaches it peak in 2hrs. You will have mild withdrawal after every dose. Its very mild but my anxiety makes it worse. So I take my doc, then I am super relaxed. Suboxone is a powerful drug too! This isn't my first rodeo. One thing i have found is that it does wonders for your mood. I'm serious. You feel better you would from your doc. Only thing is you have to detox from the subs sooner or later
I’m on day 3 I didn’t feel any withdrawal symptoms after dosing I’m terrified of how I’m gonna feel tomorrow (day 4) without the fentanyl
@@MalakaiNT_realhow much fentanyl we’re you taking per day??? I been snorting about a year. 8Ball last me 2 - 3 days
@@MalakaiNT_real did you feel any withdrawal I didn’t feel any at all
How's everything going now?
@@MalakaiNT_real so how are things going with you?
I got off Fentanyl in 19 days - it was the toughest thing I've ever done.
Did u stick to it? Update?
@@jaredpowers6356Yes - I had to get back to work after a year off sick so battled through the withdrawals.
@@jaredpowers6356Yes - I had to get back to work as my sick pay was going to run out, so I had to get off the stuff before I went back!
Ok, I've been reading everyone's comments and I'm so confused, ok so I need to get clean and want to so bad, I thought fentonal was good cause it got me off injecting heroin everyday I didn't think nothing could do that but now I'm hooked on fentonal and I'm 49 years old, I don't want to die, I have 7 kids 3of which I am with and they know my addiction I came clean with them and they are behind me 100% there my biggest fans and I so don't want to let them or me down, I'm ready to stop and get off this damn drug once and 4 all, I'm still confused about how to do it I have plenty of suboxen strip saved up. So I smoke about a Gram of fetty daily which I've been doing for over 2 years now I've never been sick from it cause I've always had it. I'm ready to start now but can someone please tell me how to start, how much to take off the strips, and how much fetty do I continue to use, and when do I stop using the fetty and just use the strip. Ok well I with God's help am going to put this life of drugs behind me, and try to live a drug free life which I haven't done since I was a teenager.. so please help me with this
I’d keep using until you get yourself down to .2, better if it’s .1, then try the method stated in the video. And DONT GET ADDICTED TO SUBS, quitting them is way worse. I take blues, most blues aren’t close to fentanyl strength, but the ones I take are. They even have the smell and the taste, but I went from taking 5 a day (60mgs) to just 1.5 a day now and I’m going to continue weaning myself off and extend my waiting time to use by an hour each time. I can go 12 hours before starting to feel mildly sick, 48 hours is full blown withdrawal. So I’m doing the wean down method ofc. A little discomfort but nothing compared to what I was going thru. One day I couldn’t stop tensing my legs every few seconds and having fucked up thoughts I literally felt like I was in hell. That was the scariest withdrawal for me, so I’m not doing cold turkey anymore. U got this bro, sending love and care yo ur way
For the people who want to know what we go through and why its so fucking hard to get your life back.
The withdraws feel like this, all at the sametime:
Restless legs
Cold sweats
Hot sweats
No appetite
Aches and pains
Negative zero energy
Diarrhea
Random twitching
Headache
Extreme insomnia
Shakes
Vomiting
Fever
(Theres more but differs on each person, but you get the point)
Most addicts would have to deal with this 8-10 days and worst cases up to a month.
Nights are literally hell because you can't ever get comfortable to fall asleep on top of all the above symptoms going on too.
I hope i can get my life back again one day but right now im still in the trenches but i know one day ill be able to, i just wish it was now but i just cant do it. Hardest part is getting mentally ready.
For the ones who are in the same boat, i pray that you will get clean when youre ready, you can do it!
Peeps! I’m on day 4! And guess what? I took my last dose of FENT last night. Woke up this morning and took and ENTIRE STRIP 8 mg of BUP and quess what? ZERO PRECIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am however low as hell on energy and I have no clue what to do with myself. But I haven’t used in 15 hours and no withdrawal whatsoever. Ima beat this hold on my life after wasting literally EVERYTHING AWAY! I do have still, my dignity, freedom and I’m not withdrawing. If I can do this, you can do this. The two years I guarantee I have spent well over $60,000 on this shit. I’m done, absolutely done.
Congratulations. Proud of you bro. I'm starting mines today just took .5 of bub
@@weezyano3379 brother I messed but got back on track. 25 days no fen or subs!!!!!!
It’s really nice to hear from people that have tried and successfully (or unsuccessful) attempted the Bernese method. The internet is full of people saying “I’m gonna try this tomorrow, will report back) and never hearing anything from them. If you have any more follow up info for us let us know!
@@weezyano3379 that is bad ass, bro I wish you the best luck in the world. Just remember you are worth it and remember it took you a while to get on the stuff it’s going to take you some work getting off, but you can do it. I promise you, bro you got this.
@@jamesa6080 oh man i hear that. That new Amy brain to playing tricks like a mother $&@“@& on me. I would get a 30 bag and ok, going wing myself off and because of that for the bag 5 turns faster. My Brian for sure took over and corrupted me big time. I’m just sick and tired of the life bro. 43, not too old, but old enough to say what in the holy hell am I doing, this time, lost everyone, but my record and wife. Could’ve been worse, but worse enough for me. Never will I go through this withdrawal again. My right of passage has been completed! Brother I took subs, 8 mg in the am and 8 at night for a week and a half. About 30 days ago I forgot to take one that day. Haven’t taken a price of sub since. I thought I was cool after only a week and half or so on subs, but I was wrong. Up until day 5 I was cool. Since then it’s been rls every night, super lethargic, body weighs a ton. But about a week ago I just barely started the upward slope to feeling better and today, I feel pretty darn good. I don’t recommend that for everyone it’s up to you, long as you’re on a dedicated dose and can function without giving up your sanity, all power to you. I just felt in my heart I was going to give it a try and a lot of meetings and work, bro I’ve been sub free for a month and fent free for two. I’m so happy bro. I did start taking lexipro to balance a little and it is helping. It helps get my brain to function because years of opiates made by Brian stop making dopamine, they say the withdrawal from the subs can last months to a year! I didn’t want the handcuffs anymore. Either way! Subs or no subs, beats the fent 1000 million times over. I can answer any question to my best of you have any of need suggestions. Thanks!!!!
Wow I've been experimenting with a similar technique using Suboxone as I was still using fentanyl and then I slowly start to take less and less. And I'm currently pretty down low on my dose compared to what it used to be I'm so close to quitting. And then you got to go through those weeks or months of your brains chemicals trying to get back to feeling comfortable in your own skin. Which is the hardest part for the majority of us people to keep from relapsing play that's where the Suboxone comes in. At first you won't really feel it but after you take it for a little while and it definitely does help with the withdrawals before long you'll be looking forward to getting your script or your pill and then you take it and the good thing is you take that for as long as you need to until you get tired of taking it and then you can start tapering off of that
Currently doing 30s watching this wanting to change my life
Me too fuck
@@RalphMoraga yo, ive been kinda looking through these seeing if theres any personal experience i can lend. (not in a like self actualized preaching way..) I've just researched anything and everything i could find and tried many with lots of failures. But in your situation, if you're doing oxycodone, and havent gone onto harder opiates, trust me, if you wanna get clean getting off the 30s is soo much easier... my reason is.. not necessarily that harder ones like fent have a extremely worse withdrawal, they could be the same. The differences is the length of withdrawal, and the length of the intense part of the withdrawal is muuch longer. In short.. off of oxy, you can get through the withdrawal in a week and like day 3 or 4 will be the worst. Fent on the other hand.. you will be living in that day 4 peak for like a week or more. everybody is different. also, as the vid states.. you can switch right to suboxone from oxy after waiting until your in moderate wd. Finally, If you cant take the week of wd cold turkey ( which i don't blame you) CANT GIVE MED ADVICE BUT WHAT I WOULD DO.. IS TAKE SUBOXONE FOR NO MORE THAN A WEEK, SO THAT YOU DONT END UP WDING OFF THAT... AND THEN IN THAT WEEK.. THE OXY SHOULD MOSTLY LEAVE YOUR SYSTEM AND THEN YOU CAN STOP THE SUBS. (ID MAYBE TAKE A TINY PIECE IN THE NEXT WEEK ONLY IF NECCESSARY BUT NOT CONSISTENTLY. THAT IS WHAT I HAVE KNOWN PEOPLE TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL DOING. AND SOME PEOPLE ALSO JUST STAYED ON THE SUBS FOR A WHILE, DEPENDING ON WHERE THEYRE AT. EVERYONE DIFFERENT .. AGAIN NOT GUIDENCE BUT JUST A THOUGHT ON WHAT IVE HEARD WORKS FOR PEOPLE. YOU GOT IT DUDE....
Today will be my first day.i cold turkey alcohol after 25 years ..but fynt is hard .I'm trying my best .hour by hour minutes by minutes
I can’t imagine what being addicted to fentanyl must feel like.
Pure hell. You can't imagine how bad the withdrawal is. If someone came to me, and said "we can make it so you won't go through withdrawal at all, but we have to chop off your big toe without anesthetic, I would literally beg them to do it. That's how bad the withdrawal is. Hell on earth
it is so bad , it’s not worth it and it will RUIN your life faster than you think … my bf and I decided to get sober and we are now 3 days sober , it’s extremely hard but my bf and I are trying and we are going to try and get our life back right . The withdrawals are torture , it feels extremely painful .
It fucking sucks
I think Fent is demonic out on the streets. Used in hospitals it does wonders. I don't believe it is a recreational drug. It is as they give to patients that are dying. It makes heroin look like a sissy drug. Which it is not.
I’ve was addicted to heroin for a decade and the cold turkey was absolutely horrific. I can’t imagine how awful it must be for fentanyl.
I’m 17 and I wanna get sober I can’t get suboxone from a doctor I want help I’m literally crying wanting hell it makes you sooo emotional I got some suboxone off someone and I’ve been thinking off trying to get sober
I'm switching from fentanyl to bupe in 18 hrs. Last his was around 1:30 last night. I'm going to wait 18 and take 4mg I probably would have tried that route instead though. At hour 12 i decided to do this instead
How's it going
@@MrAkaprimetime when I got to day3-4 4mg/6hrs I got pretty sick. Not to sick but no sleep with a little restless syndrome. Mind you I was injecting fentanyl. I'm now on day??? 5 maybe. Very weak very little sleep but not in heavy withdrawal ps. I flushed the remaining of my drugs down the sink after feeling sick after every shot. Also taking about 3 8mg strips temporally. I'll drop back to 12mg in a couple days
@@MrAkaprimetime have you tried it?
@@Whatsahandle4 hey dude I’m in the same exact situation as you. Been doing fetty for YEARS. What would u recommend for me I’m going to try this starting tomorrow. Follow this exact system?
@@Hockeykid1515 yes. It works very well. You will be a little weak the first week or so but not very bad. No serious withdrawal but if you gotta work the next day after the day you stop fetty ( which should be day 3 ) plan it so it lands on a weekend or off day preferably
Live forever and await God is our only hope dodging the evil things made up from the devil thank Yahweh amen
Amen.
Sounds really practical in terms of getting off fentanyl/opioids and onto something like Suboxone. And Suboxone is amazing in its ability to stop both withdrawal symptoms and opioid cravings. But in my personal experience and what others have said, getting off Suboxone takes a long time. And you can taper off Suboxone down to, literally, micro doses, and you will still go through withdrawal symptoms when you finally stop.
I absolutely don't understand this suboxone withdrawal claim. First off, the suboxone withdrawal is MUCH less intense than opiate withdrawal. I was taking suboxone recreationally for over a year and had to stop when my connection vanished. The withdrawal symptoms were COMPLETELY alleviated with weed. Whenever I felt rough I would take a few hits of some good marijuana and sub withdrawals were gone..for HOURS..I would take sub withdrawal over any other drug detox...
Very good to know that mate, thanks 🙏🏽
@@KamalaIsTrash
Interesting.
First, this is the first time I've heard of Suboxone being taken to get high.
Second, I had literally no guidance/advice from doctors about withdrawing from opioids. I was on minimal doses of Suboxone for 2 months or less.
Third, it is terrific that you were able to get off Suboxone with so little withdrawal symptoms. But if you peruse some of the comments on videos about withdrawals, most comments, like mine, it was pretty gnarly going through withdrawal from Suboxone. And prolonged.
Finally, in hindsight, I did not taper off the opioids. Something that seems essential now that I can look back on a tough time.
Cheers.
Dude I did a 30 day suboxone detox in treatment and I was FINE!!’ maybe a little sweaty when I didn’t wanna be but Man it was a miracle! You just gotta do it slowlyyyyyyy and let your body adjust
Nah dude if you do a 30 day taper off sub you can do it with minimal minimal withdrawal symptoms. It was a miracle when I did it.. I was in in patient but still you just gotta let your body adjust so you just move down a little every week.. I was on it for 8 years and got off with literally no withdrawal.. it’s doable!
I jus got sober y’all 6 days n counting I was on fet 30 blue for 3 years u really gotta want it man cuz I thought that demon wouldn’t never come out but it am sober is the the way
Congrats. Getting off those blues was 1 of the most difficult things in my life. Stay strong & don't go back to them. They're straight evil.
5 days clean off fake percs i quit cold turkey u just gotta have a strong mindset and really have to want to stop im forsure done after almost 2years of takin fentanyl percocets its just a week to get rid of symptoms dont be weak stay strong and pray 🙏 hope all of y’all make it thru
the fukn withdrawals are the worse if you know you know shit is hell on earth LITERALLY but u just gotta keep going n be strong and get thru it ! restlessness legs is the. worst thts the only thing that i couldnt bear the legs and insomnia ar night is the worst tossing and turning not being able to sleep for days streight its the worst man dont wish it upon no one fr
It’s the legs for me lol
@@ceeg1300I went 5 days cold turkey almost a year ago from today. I’d only done blues for 5 months so it was easier than it is now because the longer you do it the harder it is. I threw up, got fevers, but my head was strong and I took it on the chin, then the fucking restless legs got me. I’d been having restless legs the whole time, but when that seemed like it was the last thing to beat I just couldn’t do it. I beat myself up everytime I give in, I do blues and not pure fetty but honestly they’re so strong they taste and smell like fetty. I feel you bro
Question how many did you take a day before stopping
Why did TH-cam suddenly recommend me this?... But to all those on the journey of recovery - all the best!
Be strong everyone! I don't know u but love you! I was sober for 7 years, I relapsed n started doing fentynal n have been for 6 months. I got suboxone but wen I take it it throws me into rapid withdrawal n it's hard for me to cope with it cuz I gotta work. I need to get off. My family depends on me n I gotta beat this crap.
How's everything going with you?
@MrAkaprimetime still struggling but I m slowly weaning myself off hopefully this weekend i can fully off.
@@joelgallegos7740 how much do you usually do if you don't mind me asking & did you try taking the subs again or no
@@MrAkaprimetime I was doing 10 a day. Now I'm down to 3.
R u struggling too. What were u doing n how much?
Day 4 1st dose down I had to double dose last night cause I started feeling icky as the fentanyl is gone but super flu this morning I’m okay. Took 4 mg I’ll take more if symptoms start to peer in
Hey how is it going ? Any better
What did you do the 1st day like how did u start or whatever
@@MrAkaprimetimeman tbh wait until your sick sndbi mean full on withdrawal not just where you a little uncomfortable and start to feel it but wait until you’ve thrown up hot and cold chills … cold sweats all the above and your flat out going thru it then take it & yiu can take another one if the withdraws symptoms aren’t fully gone yet and once they are … Id said take em for a week and everyday take less so then once you stop taking them you’ll know you’re not withdrawing that much or in the pain stage but you’ll still feel kinda off about yourself and chills every so often but then you can start getting back to normal … hit the sauna at the gym sweat it out … do probiotics for gut and system cleanse overall to clean that shit out … eat healthy foods start working out … yiu really gotta push it out and rebalance your system because that’s what it’s trying to do once you reach that 10th day and most the painful withdrawals are gone
Ive been off fentanyl for 3 years using a similar process this system works if want to get an stay off fentanyl so far worse drug to get get hooked but there's like at end of the tunnel and it will turn out ok.
It's still a bitch to get off the fentanyl. It's not as smooth as you think. I got stuck using fetty while taking bupe for months. And when I tried to stop the fetty the bupe doesn't help at all
That's weird, bupe took all my fent withdrawal away. You must've had some pharmaceutical grade fent. It is best to taper down the fent before full dose bupe
Same here . I was using very little fentanyl. I waited 24 hrs to dose with bupe which sent me in to PW which was hell, lasted about 6 hrs.. no way I’d take more after I started to feel better ., way too scared. It’s like a violet fight with a demon . Terrible!
@💜Andrea💜 how many milligrams of bupe? And yeah fentanyl is very very tricky. You may have had some long lasting fentanyl that had legs. Sometimes this street stuff is so short acting too
@@SAMEntalhealth how did you do when you 1st started or whatever??
How did you get off this is my problem and I don’t know what the fuck to do!
12 mg all at once makes me feel like I'm underwater
I've never took hard drugs in my life I was prescribed this crap for pain management because I have it on every hospital do not give me opiates I was an alcoholic and I have a long line of addiction in my family they told me how easy was going to be to get off if I ever wanted to all lies I went from 8 mg to nothing it's been a week I'm still not okay but I was able to work out today and I have a doting husband and a beautiful teenage daughter on my side I don't know what I would do without them you need to make damn sure your patients want to be on this crap for years to come and explain its worse than getting off of anything else and takes longer for withdrawals than anything else I am a female bodybuilder who is a size three and weighs 125 lb I'm healthy I eat right I can't imagine a unhealthy person trying to detox from Suboxone it's like crawling through hell and back
You have to taper.
Your great man. Keep doing great and gods work
Well I was smoking extremely strong fentanyl. And as soon as I tried a 2 mg of suboxone it really made me go into strong withdrawals. Be very careful when mixing the two
That's why you're supposed to wait at least 3 days before taking the sub
You’re not supposed to take the full 2 mg at once. You’re supposed to take .5 milligrams every 6 hours. So you total 2 mg in 24 hours. And you can continue usuing fentanyl during the 3-4 day induction phase.
Day 1- .5 mg every 6 hours (total 2mg)
Day 2- 1mg every 6 hours ( total 4 mg)
Day 3- 2mg every 6 hours (total 8mg)
Day 4- 12 mg in the am and then follow up with your doctor to see how you feel.
And he clearly says and the slide states
“ continue using full agonist opiates during the induction phase “
@@rxreece333 can you do a little less than that or will the subs not work I have a friend that keeps asking & I'm trying the best way to explain it to her
@@rxreece333 how do I know where to cut the strips in mg please help and thanks
So when I decide to quit I should microcodose on to the suboxone the first day I thought it would throw me into extreme withdrawal
I should've went to med school. Lol I was doing this before the bernese method was even around. Or heard of out here. Love your channel you gained a sub lol I just figured the science and since it's long acting to slowly build it up in my system than pound out my receptors lol😅
Gang gang baby!
i did this once to when a provider put me in pws bad. i ate two strips and was so much worse and then sniffed a bag and felt better and just did that for a couple days then subs only
Lol same here. 😂
I’m kinda totally confused on what I’m suppose to do. I don’t understand the method I don’t think.
It seems like they are saying do the drug and sub at the same time ? Idk help me understand please.
What about fentanyl and Methadone?
I was talking to a Freind and she went into like a detox thing. She was on the Methadone program…. But apparently the fentanyl cuts through the methadone? Sooo you’re in withdrawal even though you’re on methadone. I found it so interesting.
It’s a weird combo I switched to 160 mg of methadone after fetty then after the third day of using the 160mg I stopped methadone and I felt really minor withdrawls, it’s like I was withdrawing from the fetty but I was ok because of the methadone
I really appreciate your passion for helping people. During this schedule, when do you use the full agonist? Do you wait until after the sub dissolves?
I don't think it matters much as long as the buprenorphine is scheduled.
@@KenStarrMDWellnessGroup- Dr Starr - I have been attempting to transition from street fentanyl to Buprenorphine via the Bernese Method/Microdosing 7 day protocol, however I have been encountering problems which have made it extremely difficult to cut out using the fentanyl. After taking my dose of (for example) 4 Mgs and higher, roughly 60 to 90 minutes in, I become fairly sick going from a stable (from fentanyl), COWS of 0 to double digits and by two hours in the feeling just becomes so intense that I revert to taking fentanyl to mitigate the symptoms. Is there something I am doing incorrectly or is this to be expected? I have been stuck in this cycle for months now, never getting beyond 8mgs and not becoming sick. I don't believe its precipitated withdrawal though I cant be certain and any feedback would be so greatly valued and appreciated - thanks in advance
I've noticed that everyone who says they will do this and give updates never end up giving the update of how it worked. I am terrified to do this I'm taking 2mlg every 6 hours right now with very mild withdrawals and when I do get them I just smoke fetty and I'm okay, I tried this last week and on day 3 when I took my 8mlg strip in the morning I went into precip extremely bad. I'm supposed to take the full dose tomorrow as I'm at 2mlg every six hours I'm scared to do it. If anyone has done it please let me know, I can't go into precip again it was hell
Dr Starr - I have been attempting to transition from street fentanyl to Buprenorphine via the Bernese Method/Microdosing 7 day protocol, however I have been encountering problems which have made it extremely difficult to cut out using the fentanyl. After taking my dose of (for example) 4 Mgs and higher, roughly 60 to 90 minutes in, I become fairly sick going from a stable (from fentanyl), COWS of 0 to double digits and by two hours in the feeling just becomes so intense that I revert to taking fentanyl to mitigate the symptoms. Is there something I am doing incorrectly or is this to be expected? I have been stuck in this cycle for months now, never getting beyond 8mgs and not becoming sick. I don't believe its precipitated withdrawal though I cant be certain and any feedback would be so greatly valued and appreciated - thanks in advance
thats because fentanyl is too strong...theres not enough research on it. buprenorphine is for heroin...not fentanyl..and the problem is fentanyl takes days to leave your system
@@LUC1FER_R1S1NG exactly someone finally knows what I'm talking about
So what he is saying is not true? Won’t work? What are you suggesting. The nature of this video is about transitioning from fentanyl to buprenorphine…
Same happened to me. Once I got 4-6mg within like an hour I was miserable and flipping out getting chills so bad I was screaming. I have been looking and I might try the bridge device I just don’t know if I want to make the jump and get it. It’s very expensive so it will make things sorta tight but I don’t know what other plan I can do while still working full time running a business and not be sick because I don’t react well to any other meds 😢
I have the facts from Experience dm me
Trying this out, thank you for this video.
My understanding has always been, if you introduce suboxone to your body while it still has opiates in it, you will go into instant withdrawal. Can someone please clarify this for me?
I did this 3 day plan. I was addicted to street Fentanyl for 2 years. This is the only plan that worked. And yes, I quit in 3 days.
I was a 10 pill/blue user a day. Which is nothing compared to some people. I didn't smoke it. I'd take Fent pill/ tiny pieces sublingually.
This Dr's plan is essentially 'microdosing' Suboxone. Not the half Suboxone strip that's recommended. Or full strip. Because if u do that- It will throw u into withdrawals instantly.
This plan allows you to continue taking Fentanyl while you're craving it. While taking about 1/8 of a Suboxone strip daily.
So u experience zero withdrawals at all. U don't have to wait 3 days of being Fent free to do this. You can do this plan while still using Fent.
Your brain gets tiny microdoses of Suboxone. Allowing u to keep using Fent. By the 3rd day- Your brain is so full of Suboxone. That you don't even crave Fentanyl anymore.
This Dr is a genius . And I'll never understand why his method is not the norm within addiction medicine.
The fact he is giving this advice for free??? He is a humanitarian.
Exactly
This is the best news to see that with fetty you need to keep useing a lil bit till ya trans over to subs very helpful going to try this tomorrow cause i did start this before i saw the vid thanks Doctor for telling us the best way hopethis model catchs on in the east coast
I have been n pain meds for icee 15 years. I don’t understand the addiction ppl have. I rely on pain medication to able to work and survive the day but after a long period of time the medication starts to hurt more than it helps so I just go off if it. It’s uncomfortable but it’s not unbearable or brutal. I just sleep for 3 days wake up and all the symptoms are gone. Then I will stay off the medication for a few weeks then I start back up because my pain becomes unbearable. But it’s a fine balance because the pain medication also makes the pain much worse over time.
I am in WA state and thank you!! Finally, someone who gets it!
I'm licensed in WA. Pleaset reach out if I can help.
I’m in Tacoma Washington. My son just turned 16 years old. He’s been using fentanyl powder meth and alcohol from what I’ve been told. Has overdosed using Narcan several times from what he’s said. I’ve finally found his location in Lacey and plan to go get him. I don’t know how to treat him when I get him home and taking him to the hospital or to treatment are not a working option. He wants to to get clean and has been able to detox on his own before. How can I get ahold of Buprenorphine to help his come down so he will be able to detox without the severe withdrawals that have lead him to leave??
@@SarahO87 So, please get him into either a methadone Clinic or Subuxone Clinic that knows how to taper the way spoken of here. It can be a 3 to 7 day plan. I think the 7 would be more efficient! The Bernese Method. Don't give up hope. ♥️😇
im in olympia washington (lacey)
@@SarahO87 wow i live in lacey washington
I went 4 days without doing fentanyl and did smallest amount of a dust partcal...I was in that shit 13 hours...if you doing them daily on the regular...i wouldn't take that shit at all. My cousin died and that day i quit cold turkey that day. That 4th day I had put me back negative 3 because i thought I could do a small amount of a sub and ill never do one again... Took me 40 days and something still right...I don't do subs or anything and there's no withdraws anymore.
Be brave and except what you signed up for and take your life back...Im rooting for you all
I wonder if Narcan Nasal sprays would be safe and effective? They use it to stop overdoses, so shouldn't that basically do the same thing as detoxing?
If I knew I had to wait 3 days and my will power isn't good enough, I wonder if forcing all the Fent with Narcan would be an ez alternative.
No no don't do it i did it took a sub to soon and it bad
Nooooooo bro you’ll have the worst time of your life don’t do it
Thanks for the panicked responses lol... Im assuming that means it would put me in horrible precip... I always wondered because whenever I overedosed and they narcaned me... I just felt a bit weird in the head... not prec withdrawal... But maybe thats because there was just soo many opiates that it just did enough to keep me alive and not put me in precip.
Relapsed on fentanyl after 5 yrs clean bc my insurance policy changes caused me to get discharged w no taper off methadone. 160 mgs. My family and followers have no idea. I srsly need help.
Can someone please help me I’ve lost so much and and I don’t want to lose anymore. I want my life back and my relationship. I do t want to die will someone please help me
Bro how are you doing? You good?
I’m sorry I’m confused smh 🤦♂️ are you saying on day one to start taking Suboxone? Are you freaking nuts? That puts you into an instant acute withdrawal maybe I’m not understanding this correctly can someone please explain
Thank you thats what I said too this is bs and I hope no one listens to it
My bf been on fetnayl for 7 years he's 22 now I've had to revive him numerous times and had call ambulance while me and my son are giving him cpr till ambulance comes he's od 77 times I'm so sick of wording if he's gonna b dead when I get home I don't no what else to do hi can't go work cse I'm afraid he's gonna b dead when I get home 😢😢😢😢it's tearing us apart but I refuse to leave him because it'll just b worse and I don't believe in giving up on some body please help us please
I need help understanding so I'm currently taking 24mg a day so 3 8mg suboxone strips one when I wake up one around noon and the 3rd around 3 or 4 pm and im still smoking fetty as we speak when I try not to smoke and just take subs I still feel like I'm Withdrawaling from the fetty can I just stop doing fetty and just keep taking subs and not Withdrawal from the fetty
This is ME too! Like what the fuck I do not understand! :( how are you doing. I’m at such a loss I’ll loose it all I’ve tried so hard. I’m on a high sub mg but still using it makes no sense when I try to stop it’s awful like ahhhh
Idk why but always forget about Kratom and when I was using percs this helped a ton. I thought about getting some and taking that when I’m suppsue to stop the fetty and see if that works. Honestly it’s my last freaking hope!
Man what a hole that is to be in. 24 mg of sub/ day? Plus fent? I'm not sure how to get off that. I just quit fent about 29 days ago. Went cold turkey for 5 days then took 3 mg of sub which fixed me. How are you now?