Santa Cruz 5010 vs Ibis Mojo 4: Fun-sized trail bikes.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
- While their wheels may be small, the fun factor on these 27.5" bikes is huge. The Santa Cruz 5010 and Ibis Mojo 4 go head to head to see which one jibs, jumps, and plays the hardest. One of them feels ultra-quick, nimble, and lively, while the other rides like a bigger and burlier bike. Watch to find out which is which.
Read the full review here - www.bebikes.com/the-hub/santa-cruz-5010-vs-ibis-mojo-4
0:00 Intro
1:02 Build Kit and Price
2:38 Mini-Reviews
7:15 Comparisons
13:19 Awards
13:52 Recommendations
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“Star Warsing through tree”. Makes me want to ride
It’s the best way I could describe the feeling.
That’s exactly how I’ve always thought of it too.
We used to call that the Ewok (speeder bike) effect.
Thank the Lord for 27.5" and those who know how right they are.
this is the most useful comparison I've seen in a long, long time - thanks
Glad it was helpful!
I bought Santa Cruz 5010 at Bikers Edge July last year and I love the bike so much! I’ve been recording all my rides together with my friends. Thank you Bikers Edge for the great customer service you guys Rock!🤘-MTB Rad
Stoked you're loving it! Glad we could help you find the right bike.
Well this review/comparison was probably the best I’ve seen, like ever. Content and points the ‘average joe’ (i.e. most riders) will need, rather than an ‘enduro bro’ fashionable stuff a lot of the bike sites put out. Excellent!
Thanks for the kind words. I love hearing that. I definitely try to cater to the average Joe.
Awesome review 👌. I have a Mojo 3 with 150mm 36 and DPx2 with 2.6 Rocket Ron tires. It can do anything and is still fast, fun and poppy. Love Ibis bikes
Well done. That was one of the best bike reviews comparo I’ve seen. I understand each bike better after watching this, unlike many other reviews where I’ just like: whhhhaaaaaaaat?
Hey thanks for the kind words. I’m glad you liked it! It can be tough to stay organized doing these things.
Been loving these comparisons guys. KEEP IT UP.
Hey thanks!
Very thorough review thanks! Just bought a new Ripley frame, stoked to custom it.
Good choice!
Awesome review! I own the newest 5010 and this couldn’t be more spot on. Harsh techy downhills and jumps while enjoying the scenery climbing back up to do it again! Choose your bike to your style and just ride your friggin’ bike 🤘🏽🤙🏽.
Thanks! Glad you’re loving the new bike.
What an EXCELLENT review and comparison. Thank you so much!
Hey thanks. Glad you liked it!
Mojo 4 it is. Thanks for your awesome review and comparison. Really helpful for those of us who cant demo them all.
Glad you liked it.
Confirmed. My 5010 V2 will be my fun bike until it dies. Good comparison review, seems very honest.
Glad you liked it!
You left out if you like taking a bong hit this bikes for you!😆 Best reviewer on TH-cam!!
Referring to the 5010? That was when Ratboy rode one. It's cleaned up now. Ha.
I have a 2019 SC 5010 and I think it rides much better than the v4-v5 with the low VPP. Hops and bops all over the trail like a happy little bunny.
You've pretty much summed it up....bike park = get a bigger bike! For a 130mm travel bike (traditionally) the Ibis is what you're looking for. 3000+ vertical climbs, cross country terrain, poppy & fun = Ibis. If you're looking for a 130mm travel bike for the bike park (said no one) it's clearly the 5010. Thanks for the great review!
great comparison, everyone should go this in-depth
Thanks for the kind words!
Great review! Very detailed. Good stuff.
Glad you liked it!
Nice review! Makes we want to get a new bike.
Hey thanks! Glad you liked it!
Would love to see them both in alloy frames.
I drove ibis mojo and Santa Cruz and what I seen and felt is that ibis feels like it’s helping you paddle and so comfy
Excellent review!!
Thank you kindly!
Nice recommendations you really know your stuff.
Hey thanks! I just make it up as I go!
Welp! This helped me decide. Well put together review! Thanx x1,000,000
Thanks for the kind words! Glad you liked it.
Okej, i was like....lets get a mojo, seems like a bike for me...until he said "if u are listening to audiobooks while riding, pick the mojo " 😂 always had my eyes on the 5010 anyway haha
So I ride in the midwest and enjoy the v3 5010. I feel like the changes made in the v4 are similar to what I've already done to me 5010. I want a bike that is more capable for my trips to Duluth and out west. My local trails are a little more groomed and more flowy but I do enjoy riding the hand cut trails more. I never care how fast I am on the climbs but I do care about the downs. I think i'd like the v4 5010.
Here I thought I found something new a s good ole BV beat me to it. 😂
Le comparison that’s I wants to see! You see I am le French and I likey ze bike! Santa Cruz vs. Santa Cruz!
A couple comments,
- The "Liveliness" you feel on the Mojo4 is more than partially due to it's so-called "Flex". I rode a number of times with Scot Nichol in the '90s and I remember him having a love for chromoly and Ti because they provided feedback and felt *alive* where the full aluminum full sus Turner "Burner" Horst link I remember he rode for a short distance on one ride felt "Dead" - and that was the first time I recall ever hearing the word "Dead" applied to a bike.
After I rode it a few weeks later, I had to agree.
Everyone says the same 2 things about Ibis, *"Lively"* and *"Flexy"* but I don't believe you can have one without the other, and rather than talk about it as "Flex" I would like people to realize it's the "Life factor" Ibis *intentionally* builds into what would otherwise be a more typically dead carbon machine feel.
- 2nd, I'd like you to bring a Transition Spur and Pivot Switchblade review to life because I feel it will benefit you & your credibility to have those riding experiences under your "Reviewer's belt".
Thank you for your honest & rather unbiased reviews!
We review the Spur a few months ago.
Great comparison
Hey thanks for the kind words!
Yeah man, really good review/comparison.
Digging that Mojo 4!
Hey thanks! Glad you like it. I'm digging the Mojo too. Stoked that one gets to live in my garage.
Excellent review as i was considering both these bikes! Any thoughts or an actual comparison on the 2020 Transition Scout to either of these?
Have t ridden the scout but based on numbers, I’d expect it to ride and feel bigger than both of these. Just my guess though.
Seems like the Mojo is like the past 5010s in terms of playful/poppy and the new 5010 is more like past Bronsons maybe? Great review as always!!
Hey thanks! Yeah that assessment is pretty accurate. The new 5010 is still more playful than the Bronson, but it's a lot burlier than the old 5010 model.
I got the new 5010 because it became a more capable trail bike. Many people seem to think it was better as it was.
Personally I like that they made it more burly. If you like the way the old one rides but want a newer, more modern feel, the Mojo is a good option.
Great reviews. I'm deciding on my next bike. Currently riding a 2018 Santa Cruz tallboy. I really love it. However I'm looking for something with a little more downhill capability but still can climb well. It looks like they've increased the travel on the new tallboy and made it a little more slack. Wondering how the tallboy compares with the MOJO. The 5010 seems a bit more overbiked for what I ride most of the time. Any comparison between those two bikes or any others I should be looking at? Im local. looking to hit your shop up this spring.
Thanks for the kind words. It can be a little tough to compare 27.5 bikes with 29. They just feel so different on the trail. The new Tallboy is a stellar descender but it won’t climb as well as the one you have. The Mojo is probably the better climber as it’s lighter, more efficient and great in technical stuff. On the DH id probably prefer the Tallboy with the bigger wheels. They make up for the lack of travel.
We will have a video coming out this week going over the Tallboy, Ripley and Spur. I’d recommend any of those.
Santa Cruz yewww!
Solid outstanding informative review! Thinking Mojo 4 but Ripley 4 has been a blast to demo too! What do you think between the two for a one bike quiver?
I think the Ripley will be more versatile but they’re pretty similar. Mostly comes down to wheel size and your preference.
Biker's Edge - Thank you! Riding a DV9 an absolutely love it, so maybe Ripley makes sense...
@@bikersedge Right, and I look at the Mojo4 as being kind-of a "Ripley-mo", finding its way into the narrow niche between the Ripley & Ripmo but on 27.5" wheels.
Long live the 5010cc V3!!
i'm with you! only wishing for a bigger bike on the biggest of days in the alps.
as soon as you get on it you smile, up down sideways, don't matter
enjoy
don't even know why i watch bikereviews, love that bike...
@@LES7131 lol yeah I finally got my v3 dialed... not sure why I watch any1 else's whips either... lol cheers mate
I'm disappointed that they didn't come out with a Mojo in aluminum like they did with the Ripmo.
We can only hope!
I know this is a few years old but hopefully you could share some info on which one of these you would race for dual slalom? I’m looking at the 2020 model 5010c thought that has 130mm travel front and rear, that has the shock mounted near the top tube. Seem like based on this review it would be the mojo 4.
I’ve never raced dual slalom so I might not be the right guy to ask. Mojo 4 was more enjoyable in the corners than the old 5010 though.
In the local area to you all, looking for my next bike. Can't decide between 5010 and Tallboy. Thoughts?
That one mostly comes down to wheel size. We have individual reviews for each of those bikes. Coincidentally, it's the same trail for both videos. Watching those might help you decide.
Which one would be more manageable in terms of climbing and flick-ability for a shorter rider?
Mojo. Hands down.
How do these 2 compare to the norco optic? Would be interesting to add the optic to the mix
The optic is a 29er so it’s a whole different beast.
@@bikersedge I ride a 135mm 2019 Switchblade with 27.5" and a 150mm FOX36, what do you think I'd like better about either of these, but then - what would I be sacrificing?
Which bike would you pick if you were trying to KOM a pedally section of trail?
Let's be honest-I don't get KOMs. If it's smooth I'd take the Mojo. If it's rocky I'd go 5010.
Do you think your assessment being based on XL sizes might differ from mine, which would be on small sizes?
Tough to know. The sizes should fit their respective riders the same but not everything on the bike scales proportionally.
Connor
Transition scout vs sc 5010 for tight, twisty mostly smooth trails with occasional small jumps/drops?
Haven’t been able to ride a Scout yet. I’d guess it’s one step burlier than the 5010 based purely on travel and geo. Not sure though.
I'm probably most into ibis mojo v4. could not, make a comparison with mojo v4 and yeti sb 140. I am a little in doubt whether it should be an sb140 or mojo v4.
If I can get my hands on an SB140 I’ll make one. Although I think the SB140 is in a bigger class like the Bronson and Scout rather than the Mojo and 5010.
Spot on with the Mojo 4 review.
Adding personal feedback: ( Please don't think its negative... I'm learning as I go here and have ridden numerous bikes. )
I found the Fox Factory "Trail Tune" rear shock on the Mojo 4 size large to be way overdamped. It's constantly getting held up on square edges with steep climbs and never opens up to help calm down "standard" trail chatter. I absolutely do not experience the "hoverbike" DW Link characteristic: at proper SAG and even with additional SAG. I kind of find the rear suspension to be similar to that of a 115mm on the 19' Giant Trance Advanced Pro 0 29 and also the 110mm of travel 2017-2021 Giant Anthem 27.5. These two bikes use a 42.5mm stroke vs the Mojo 4 at 50mm.
Again, personal feedback notes... I just don't care for the 37mm offset fork at all. Again, seems to get held up. I agree its a great Grip 2 damper, however, its also diving and breaking traction when cambering on climbs. The headtube length is way too tall and the riser bar does't help at all. ( Not being negative... I dont care for 44mm reduced offset 29er forks either as they also dive and stab the trail when cambering on steep tech climbs. And yes, I do regularly ride "slow" for hours-on-end in very technical environments. )
To be fair, I do find the bike feels locked-in when riding at regular trail speeds. Its the right size for me, that's for sure
Anyway, I can't help but think of the Mojo 4 as a bike from 2011 to 2015 vs a modern era Long/Low/Slack. Even if someone were to have somehow rode the Mojo 4 in 2015, that 37mm reduced fork offset would likely be a step in the wrong direction, in my opinion.
I have owned and ridden a 2014 Giant Anthem Advanced 0 large that has a similar "sprite" quality to it as the Mojo. However, the Anthem weighs 3 pounds less with a dropper post. Does 2014 have the edge on a 2021 Ibis?
I have owned and ridden the 2017 Giant Anthem Advanced 0 large. That bike seems to have a bottomless rear shock feel. It rides significantly better than the overdamped "Trail Tune." No, neither bike has the Seattube angle and/or headtube angle of the Mojo. However, I absolutely pushed myself to the limits on both Anthems and have more confidence on the 17' than the Mojo 4.
Frankly, I am dissapointed that the Mojo doesn't have the "hoverbike" feel. And I feel as if the suspension is not a "tool" to manage the trail. This brings me back to the comment on the 2014 Anthem's "sprite." Its like it only wants to pop off an over-damped shock as if "I have to appreciate the wheelbase." However, I had a bottomless ride quality and pop on the 17' Anthem I can assure you. Which, kind of spins off the terrible notion/comment, "as if the bike is from 10-years ago." Again, this is me trying to appreciate where it fits.
Anyway, I feel sad about the ride quality. I owned an 18' Ripmo V1 size large and really liked the shock tune! Who doesn't?
Moving forward... After everything I've said, I haven't done any shock tuning and have used the recommended settings on my first three rides. I suppose eventually I'll get it figured out. But, yeah, not exactly a great "ride-every-day bike" for me as delivered. Especially considering the thought of purchasing a new front fork to replace a 2021 Fox Factory 34 Grip 2 37mm reduced offset, replacing the carbon riser bar, and possibly replacing the 2021 Fox Factory DPS EVOL shock. Like, seriously, this is me upside down looking forward here!!! The Carbon S35 wheels with I9 Hydra hubs are a real question mark now. I just don't think that was a reasonable upgrade path at all. There's simply way too much to be sorted out here.
Could I ask your weight? This is the first time I've heard about the rear end not being anything but exceptional and as a 'solid' chap myself I'm wondering if the issues around diving through the travel can be solved with spacers, or is the Mojo just too lightweight for bigger guys?
Same level of components? Mmmm.....a pike vs a Factory Grip 2 34 and Factory DPS rear for less money? Excellent review though. Sub’d.
Right. The suspension level is slightly more expensive on the Mojo.
Curious if you feel the Mojo descends better than the Ripley?
They’re pretty similar in terms of capability but they go about it differently. The Ripley has the advantage of the bigger wheels but the Mojo’s suspension offers a bit more control. I guess if I had to drop in on a gnarly DH on either of them I’d go Mojo.
Why not include the RM Thunderbolt in that mix?
We don't carry Rocky Mountain at the shop. We don't have access to it. Plus the Thunderbolt is a few years old. These bikes are both brand new this year.
Man, I wish you would've used the Santa Cruz wheels on both, would've been more about the frame & suspension - regardless of the wheels which will change the stability, handling, flex etc..
Any thoughts on Specialized status 140 mullet Bike?
Haven't ridden it. We don't carry Specialized so we won't be able to do a review.
Biker's Edge Too bad you cant review whatever you want, i really like your reviews 👍
Hey thanks. It’s tough when we don’t have access to certain brands. We have a ton of brands though so we can do a pretty diverse set of reviews.
which one would you recommend for an aggressive new england tech gnar rider? lots of tight boulder fields and granite? lots of punchy techy climbs. not really that high speed, most of my riding is slower due to the trails being technical.
I think the 5010 might be a little more suited to your riding style. It has a shorter wheelbase and a little deeper suspension feel for the boulders. Also, it is really good on technical climbs. The Mojo feels a bit more energetic and snappy, but I think the strengths of the 5010 would suit you better.
@@bikersedge thanks
@@ddcycleman What's your age bracket?
@@RU2AIM been on a mojo for a few months
@@ddcycleman
? older than 50
Seems like the old 5010 is like the Mojo. I say that as a gen 1 5010 owner.
You’re not wrong. Mojo4 feels more like the old 5010. Except it’s bigger.
Which one fits your riding style?
5010 V3 - Don't understand why the went for the lower linkage.
It has a really good feel to it, but I do think it changed the playful nature of the bike a bit.
@@bikersedge At least the V4 looks just awesome + to be honest I had to tame that little V3 bronco by going for 37mm rims with 2.6 tires :-)
I'm in between, I ride a 5010c V2, with 140 fox 34 fork and a fox dps 130mm haha
@@bikersedge I wonder how the Santa Cruz 5OLO would ride & feel with a bit over-pressured rear shock. Obviously harsher but would it perhaps bring it closer to keeping up with the Ibis on climbs or *ruin* it's technical prowess?
So, the Mojo 3 then?
I think the 4 is a much more versatile bike.
Didn’t know listening to audiobooks on a ride is a thing 🤣
You probably ride a 5010 then.
I have to wonder two things,
1) Would the Mojo "Flex" issue be dealt with by switching to a FOX36 and
2) Sometime in the foggy past, have I already made this comment..?
1) yes partially. It’s something I didn’t test or try but it certainly wouldn’t hurt.
@@bikersedge Being 265lbs, would you recommend going up to a Fox 38 or do you think the 36 should be adequate if I don't do much in the way of drops or long jumps?
@@RU2AIM probably ok with a 36 if you don’t ride too aggressively. You won’t find a Zeb or 38 with less than 160mm. That would change the geo a lot.
Goddamit im the type A rider but with music instead of Podcasts in my ears! What to do?
You have to buy both I guess.
How does the Orbea Occam compare to the Mojo? I know you said that felt fast and lively too.
It's pretty tough comparing bikes with different wheel sizes. The Occam feels like a better climber and faster overall. The Mojo feels quicker and more mobile.
Biker's Edge wow.... saying they Occam may climb better is amazing because the Mojo with DW link sounds hard to beat! Thanks for the reply.
@@haydenlewis4040 To the Mojo's credit, I've only ridden it with the Maxxis Assegai tires. if it came with the High Roller/Rekon like the Occam, It might be hard to say which one climbs better. On techy climbs, I think the Mojo would handle better, but on a wide-open, straight climb, the Occam might take the cake. The Occam is a pretty remarkable climber.
That is quite the compliment, but I do remember from your Occam review you said the only two bikes that climbed better were the Ripley and Ripmo. I agree on the tires for the new Mojo. DHR and DHF combo seem a little pretentious, much more with Assegai. I’d run something a lot less burly on a bike like this.
The Ripley and the Ripmo V1 are right there in the mix with the Occam. I think the Ripley especially, climbs better than the Mojo. Again, I’ve only ridden it with the Assegais. Swapping those out for normal trail tires would make this a much better climber.
I really wanted the mojo but no dealers have them in my area and the wait time to order is pretty nuts. The only bike I liked and could get in a reasonable time is the YT Izzo.
That’s a bummer. Bike inventory has been really tough this year.
@@bikersedge it’s pretty crazy that I called all ibis dealers in NC any no one had any ibis bikes except for the ripmo AF... I really hope the Izzo is good sadly there is very few reviews for it...
That’s one I haven’t ridden.
Santa Cruz bikes with the lower vpp handle great, but they are stupid heavy, I have a Hightower LT and a Tallboy 4 and the Tallboy weights 33 pounds/15 kilos... the LT is almost 1 kilo/2 pounds lighter...
Both carbon C S builds... just to clarify that.
Agreed. They aren’t light. I think I’d rather have the amazing suspension performance over a lightweight bike, though.
I prefer the older vpp v2 Bronson is epic compared to the v3 👎
Getting a 5010 cc is almost impossible. Looks like January
Unfortunately that’s the case with a lot of bikes right now. It’s not a problem unique to the 5010.
So essentially the Mojo is the V3 5010. While the V4 5010 is now a shadow of the Bronson.
Not a bad way to put it. Except the Mojo is still more capable and modern than the 5010v3. Climbs really well too.
@@bikersedge fair enough about the V3... ;)
Giant trans x review?
Can’t afford these bikes😕 $3500 is my limit.
We do sell giant. We are waiting for a Trance X demo to arrive. Stay tuned.
Ripmo AF?
Mojo RULES!!
Agreed.
"if you listen to audiobooks when you ride" 😊 really? Does anyone do that?
Shhhhh. Don’t tell. I do.
@@bikersedge wow I need all my focus on my riding. I would definitely crash! Oh and don't worry, your secret is safe with me :)
Only on the climbs. On the DH it’s full focus, mixed with some Neil Diamond, Kanye and Wolfmother.
@@bikersedge audiobook on climbs, specifically meditation book, and then van halen on the downs
The aesthetics of the Santa Cruz wins this dual all by itself.
I think they both look really good.
@@bikersedge I prefer the one made in Santa Cruz. 😉
TO RIP OR NOT TO RIP !!!!
Always rip.
Why so god damned much money???
Very good question. Although bike technology is pretty impressive today.
i always hate when people do this...
i really don't be that girl, but...
transition scout?? how does the scout compare? prob much more like a better and better-looking 5010 than the bird...
I haven't been able to ride the Scout yet. Based on all the stats, I would guess it rides more like the Bronson and SB140 than either of these bikes.
Great review!
Thanks!