I just bought a brand new 2022 model from a lady that never even rode it. Got it for half price and after seeing this video I’m super stoked I got the pure 27.5 version. I think really the only thing I’d want is the frame storage the new one has haha. Thanks for the review. I’ve never ridden jumps before, I’m an ok trail rider, just never had the confidence for many things. I’m coming from a 2008 foes racing fxr. So I think this will be a big improvement haha.
Just brought A Pike Select 150 mm and I am Impressed. I put 2 volume spacers in immediately. I always went with Fox in the past bc they were spec for my bikes, but this new air spring is really progressive. Liked the Rock Shox fork enough to buy a Deluxe ultimate rear shock. Nice review and riding.
I have a pink V2 bronson, im just sticking with that. Its 5 years old, but still rips and is so much fun. I have a big 170mm 29er coil bike for the big stuff.
Glad I bought a 5010 C/S build last September while it still had 27.5 wheels. SC should have left it that way. I paid 6000 dollars for mine, it's up to 6700 now. WTF Santa Cruz?
that's not Santa Cruz. that's the bike industry in general. everything thing has gone up due to the 10x price hike in shipping containers. as an example my V2 Evil offering frame cost $3200 when I bought it, it's now $3800 for the same frame. a full GX group set costs more than it did last year and so on.
I was a military pilot and when you went down it reminded me of the awkward conversation I once had with my boss explaining that I was grounded for screwing around and getting hurt.
As a 5010 v4 owner I’d say the old and new one should both be offered, like the V10 has 27/mullet/29 versions. Old one was basically an oversized slopestyle bike, whereas the v5 is a very playful trailbike…but still a trailbike.
Fairly new to your channel and like your content. Was wondering if you ever thought of doing how to video's? Like how to jump, drops ect..I know there are alot of video's on it but coming from you amd how you approach it would be awesome. Keep up the good content, cheers🤘😎
Agreed, they should give the consumer the option of 27.5 or 29, I mean some of us like the feel of a either or geometry, and I'm sure there is a reason why the MX setup is being offere, just saying, they should give the consumer the option/choice
Great review. I have a 2020 5010 and the new 5010 mullet looks like a great bike but has a completely different personality. It's no longer the BMX poppy bike. There are a lot of great bikes that plow down the trail. 🙃 I prefer to jump, pop, and skip down the trail. Somethings shouldn't be measured by a stopwatch.
Santa Cruz is really going all in on the mullets. I still havent tried one but Im probably not good or experienced enough to feel much of a difference but I am interested to try.
In my opinion a mix wheel set up has its advantages, especially if you’re in the 5’9” range. Having ridden a new carbon Stumpy, would like to put it side by side with the new 5010.
For my riding style I’ll bet the change is an improvement. The only complaints I have with my V3 5010 is the front end getting hung up on technical stuff…and pedal strikes. I’d really like to demo the new MX.
@@vonzen I dropped a 140 air shaft in my Fox 34 which I think was an improvement overall….though not as much as getting a Hightower (lol). I still ride my 5010 a lot though!
3:50 ouch 😳. ...🤕. Great review! Interested to see what SC does to the next gen TB. This 5010 seems to blur the line between the two (no pun intended). Thanks JC
Love your reviews and awesome riding skills! Which would u recommend between the new 5010 and Bronson for someone who hits the bike park (mountain creek primarily) a few weekends a year but otherwise does techy East Coast trail riding with a lot of climbing? Right now I have a Stumpy Evo but considering trying a SC. I feel like I'm leaning more for the Bronson but I've also seen people shredding faster than me on 130mm bikes at Mountain Creek.
@@radidoc4832 Yeah its a 2021. Honestly was thinking of getting a new bike, mostly just because I like trying out different bikes, but still loving the Evo. For east coast tech riding and bike parks its a great bike. I would definitely jump on the sale, its an insane deal and the Bronson is so pricey for what you get. You can get an Evo right now with X01 for less than what a Bronson costs with NX... lol
Ouch! Nice vid thoug. Could you please let us know why you like it over the bronson? Is it more playful by beeing almost as capable? Thanks in advance!
I guess it would depend if you see it as a great mid-travel trail bike that is very capable or loved the past jibby, fun, LIGHTER, the in-the-the-bike feel not on-the-bike, jump every little feature kind of bike. It is a GREAT mid-travel trail bike that is very capable & still more fun than the others, but I do miss the older versions before they went to this new suspension for the fun, flickable bike that was LIGHTER & agile with the 27.5 wheels.
Yo JC somewhat unrelated: We're flying out to Boston through Jet Blue the first time ever, and they state their big bag overall size limit is 80 dimension inches. Any given standard bike bag is more like 97 dim. inches (EVOC, Chain reaction bags) do you know if this rule is strictly enforced, assuming you've flown your bike through them a bunch?
I love Santa Cruz I have 27.5 all old 5010. Chameleon C both 27.5 and 29. Hightower my newest Bike and I love it. I was going to go for the 5010 but looking at the mixed wheels there is limited number of options for mixed wheels. I love enve wheels with Chris king and enve is what I run in my road and MTB bikes. Be aware if you are looking to build up the new 5010 mixed wheels. Even used wheels it is hard to find mixed wheels. At the end I decided to pass on and I went for the tallboy. The other aspect is that the 5010 does not meet my riding style. I am more on the cross country long distance rides. I personally wouldn’t buy a mixed wheels bike it will be hard to sell it or to upgrades the wheels. I can see mixed wheels for racing or if you are training for racing. I might be wrong.
i just spent a whole day with my 2020 5010 in les gets / morzines in the french alps. looking around i was as underbiked as you can be but man i had a blast of a time. nimble and ready for rough and tumble. the bronson is the big brother, so even more capable. my local trails don't warrant me having a bigger bike and they both are a good choice anywere you ride. not a pb bike but a superfun bike. get of the parkinlot and your fun starts. but then id probably have fun with a lot more suspension and a lot less. go ride one, find out:-)
Awesome review JC, I still can’t decide if I want to add this bike to my lineup or pick up a new Tallboy? Will this 5010 be a keeper down the road or a regret? Not a cheap mistake if I bought one instead of the TB!!
@@jctrailsI meant to ask you about the weight. I know it’s heavier than the standard new carbon Stumpy, but did it feel good to you? I know you’ve ridden them all. Thanks JC
@@jctrails Rob had a good question and a question I was hoping you’d cover in the video but would you mind quickly comparing how it felt against the regular stumpy now that you’ve ridden both?
@@mrmotomoto it’s taken a few rides to get the new 5010 dialed so now I can tell you this bike feels more planted, has a low CG, and corners better (with same Specialized Purgatory tires installed from Stumpy) so it’s not the tires. Stumpjumper triangle flexed more causing tire rub, and I’m only 150 lb rider. The Stumpy performed its best as a mullet but in my opinion… the 5010 V5 could be your ONLY bike. Lastly, if you have a 5010 version 3, keep it 👍🏼
hi, actually i have a Meta SX commencal 2022, but i feel heavy, do you recomend me this bike? , i ride for long trails, some downs, drops, ramps, gaps, i don have problems with de sx, but i want be more playful, and my SX at ramps is slow, the 5010 supports a 160mm fork? or not?
The L is a touch big for me, but I can make it work with a 40mm stem and 780mm wide bars. I prefer the longer if I’m riding steep trails. I would go with a M if I was strictly riding flow trails and dirt jumps.
Great video! Thanks. I am wondering if you could also turn it into a full 29er? Does anyone know? I might get it so its interesting to run it either full 27,5 or 29. I am not a big fan of the mullet concept on bikes.
That confirmed my greatest fear that it would lose its playful nature. I always wanted a 5010 but, they did not make an xxl. Now they hav introduced a size xxl they have softened its playful nature. So no longer of interest to me.
Mullet from the factory is one of the dumbest decisions ever but what else would you expect from a company that throws on sram sx drivetrains on $3k+ bikes?
#1 the 5010 is more capable, #2 it gets around turns better with the smaller back wheel, and #3 on big drops you don’t buzz your booty on the back wheel. The tallboy does carry more speed in a straight line and pedal little better, but that’s it.
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Agree with you on keeping a pure 27.5 version. Thanks for the great review!
Thanks for watching!
Excellent reviews, as always!
Thx 4 showing bud☝🏼nice ride👊🏼
I just bought a brand new 2022 model from a lady that never even rode it. Got it for half price and after seeing this video I’m super stoked I got the pure 27.5 version. I think really the only thing I’d want is the frame storage the new one has haha. Thanks for the review. I’ve never ridden jumps before, I’m an ok trail rider, just never had the confidence for many things. I’m coming from a 2008 foes racing fxr. So I think this will be a big improvement haha.
Just brought A Pike Select 150 mm and I am Impressed. I put 2 volume spacers in immediately. I always went with Fox in the past bc they were spec for my bikes, but this new air spring is really progressive. Liked the Rock Shox fork enough to buy a Deluxe ultimate rear shock. Nice review and riding.
I have a pink V2 bronson, im just sticking with that. Its 5 years old, but still rips and is so much fun. I have a big 170mm 29er coil bike for the big stuff.
Glad I bought a 5010 C/S build last September while it still had 27.5 wheels. SC should have left it that way. I paid 6000 dollars for mine, it's up to 6700 now. WTF Santa Cruz?
that's not Santa Cruz. that's the bike industry in general. everything thing has gone up due to the 10x price hike in shipping containers. as an example my V2 Evil offering frame cost $3200 when I bought it, it's now $3800 for the same frame.
a full GX group set costs more than it did last year and so on.
I was a military pilot and when you went down it reminded me of the awkward conversation I once had with my boss explaining that I was grounded for screwing around and getting hurt.
I’ll just go on disability 😜
Thanks for confirming what I suspected. Guess I’ll be keeping my V4 for a very long time.
Great test ride and review
Amazing spot track
Thank you for sharing sir
As a 5010 v4 owner I’d say the old and new one should both be offered, like the V10 has 27/mullet/29 versions. Old one was basically an oversized slopestyle bike, whereas the v5 is a very playful trailbike…but still a trailbike.
I agree, SC should offer the Mullet bikes in straight 27.5 or MX.
Fairly new to your channel and like your content. Was wondering if you ever thought of doing how to video's? Like how to jump, drops ect..I know there are alot of video's on it but coming from you amd how you approach it would be awesome. Keep up the good content, cheers🤘😎
I have v4, most fun bike, for goofing off pure 27.5 is the way to be. MX feels like a fad. Guess we will see. Good review! Agree with your assessment.
Agreed, they should give the consumer the option of 27.5 or 29, I mean some of us like the feel of a either or geometry, and I'm sure there is a reason why the MX setup is being offere, just saying, they should give the consumer the option/choice
Best review I’ve seen, 29er was a huge mistake
My dream bike, but i want only 27.5 wheels !
Great review. I have a 2020 5010 and the new 5010 mullet looks like a great bike but has a completely different personality. It's no longer the BMX poppy bike. There are a lot of great bikes that plow down the trail. 🙃 I prefer to jump, pop, and skip down the trail. Somethings shouldn't be measured by a stopwatch.
I have a 2020 also, it’s a rad bike.
Santa Cruz is really going all in on the mullets. I still havent tried one but Im probably not good or experienced enough to feel much of a difference but I am interested to try.
In my opinion a mix wheel set up has its advantages, especially if you’re in the 5’9” range. Having ridden a new carbon Stumpy, would like to put it side by side with the new 5010.
Santa Cruz last cool release was the Tallboy 4.
So thinking back to your standard Stumpy review...is the new 5010 even more similar to that new Stumpy? Differences?
For my riding style I’ll bet the change is an improvement. The only complaints I have with my V3 5010 is the front end getting hung up on technical stuff…and pedal strikes. I’d really like to demo the new MX.
I changed my fork to lyrik 150. That solved the issue.
@@vonzen I dropped a 140 air shaft in my Fox 34 which I think was an improvement overall….though not as much as getting a Hightower (lol). I still ride my 5010 a lot though!
Still riding my 2019 5010. Can’t find anything wrong with it that makes me want to change yet.
If ain’t broke 😀
3:50 ouch 😳. ...🤕. Great review! Interested to see what SC does to the next gen TB. This 5010 seems to blur the line between the two (no pun intended). Thanks JC
Here is the new TB.
www.santacruzbicycles.com/en-US/bikes/tallboy
Tweaks in the geo and they added the glovebox.
@@jctrails Great! I didn't know it had been released. I'll look forward to your review and comparisons. Keep up the great content. Thank you
Gloves, man... no one uses them anymore. I’m a musician. It hurt me just watching.. 😅
3:18, That bridge to rock landing is sketchy AF!!!!!! That just blew my mind! lol
Love your reviews and awesome riding skills! Which would u recommend between the new 5010 and Bronson for someone who hits the bike park (mountain creek primarily) a few weekends a year but otherwise does techy East Coast trail riding with a lot of climbing? Right now I have a Stumpy Evo but considering trying a SC. I feel like I'm leaning more for the Bronson but I've also seen people shredding faster than me on 130mm bikes at Mountain Creek.
Is that a newer Stumpy Evo? Curious is there anything you didn't like about it. I am looking at Bronson vs New stumpy evo with Specialized sales!
@@radidoc4832 Yeah its a 2021. Honestly was thinking of getting a new bike, mostly just because I like trying out different bikes, but still loving the Evo. For east coast tech riding and bike parks its a great bike. I would definitely jump on the sale, its an insane deal and the Bronson is so pricey for what you get. You can get an Evo right now with X01 for less than what a Bronson costs with NX... lol
Ouch! Nice vid thoug. Could you please let us know why you like it over the bronson? Is it more playful by beeing almost as capable? Thanks in advance!
What are your thought of putting 160mm fork and 27.5 tire
Be careful JC we need you healthy brother 💪👍
What trail system was that? Looks like pine hills.
I guess it would depend if you see it as a great mid-travel trail bike that is very capable or loved the past jibby, fun, LIGHTER, the in-the-the-bike feel not on-the-bike, jump every little feature kind of bike. It is a GREAT mid-travel trail bike that is very capable & still more fun than the others, but I do miss the older versions before they went to this new suspension for the fun, flickable bike that was LIGHTER & agile with the 27.5 wheels.
Diamond Hill Reservior in Cumberland RI? What trails were you riding in the vid?
Yup I rode Diamond hill in RI. The video was shot in pinehills.
Yo JC somewhat unrelated: We're flying out to Boston through Jet Blue the first time ever, and they state their big bag overall size limit is 80 dimension inches. Any given standard bike bag is more like 97 dim. inches (EVOC, Chain reaction bags) do you know if this rule is strictly enforced, assuming you've flown your bike through them a bunch?
Bike bags and ski bags have their own category. You do have to pay extra to put them on but they will except them.
I love Santa Cruz I have 27.5 all old 5010. Chameleon C both 27.5 and 29. Hightower my newest Bike and I love it. I was going to go for the 5010 but looking at the mixed wheels there is limited number of options for mixed wheels. I love enve wheels with Chris king and enve is what I run in my road and MTB bikes. Be aware if you are looking to build up the new 5010 mixed wheels. Even used wheels it is hard to find mixed wheels. At the end I decided to pass on and I went for the tallboy. The other aspect is that the 5010 does not meet my riding style. I am more on the cross country long distance rides. I personally wouldn’t buy a mixed wheels bike it will be hard to sell it or to upgrades the wheels. I can see mixed wheels for racing or if you are training for racing. I might be wrong.
I have seen people order one wheel from ENVE.
Is this the Vietnam trail network?
Would you feel confident taking the new 5010 to a bike park? Something like Highland? I’m deliberating between Bronson and 5010
i just spent a whole day with my 2020 5010 in les gets / morzines in the french alps. looking around i was as underbiked as you can be but man i had a blast of a time. nimble and ready for rough and tumble. the bronson is the big brother, so even more capable. my local trails don't warrant me having a bigger bike and they both are a good choice anywere you ride. not a pb bike but a superfun bike. get of the parkinlot and your fun starts. but then id probably have fun with a lot more suspension and a lot less. go ride one, find out:-)
Awesome review JC, I still can’t decide if I want to add this bike to my lineup or pick up a new Tallboy? Will this 5010 be a keeper down the road or a regret? Not a cheap mistake if I bought one instead of the TB!!
Rob, TB for speed on flatter trails and 5010 for the jumps and jibs. The 5010 does feel more capable on tech than the TB.
Yea man, I may pull the trigger and will let you know if I get one. You seemed like you really liked it!
@@jctrailsI meant to ask you about the weight. I know it’s heavier than the standard new carbon Stumpy, but did it feel good to you? I know you’ve ridden them all. Thanks JC
@@jctrails Rob had a good question and a question I was hoping you’d cover in the video but would you mind quickly comparing how it felt against the regular stumpy now that you’ve ridden both?
@@mrmotomoto it’s taken a few rides to get the new 5010 dialed so now I can tell you this bike feels more planted, has a low CG, and corners better (with same Specialized Purgatory tires installed from Stumpy) so it’s not the tires. Stumpjumper triangle flexed more causing tire rub, and I’m only 150 lb rider. The Stumpy performed its best as a mullet but in my opinion… the 5010 V5 could be your ONLY bike. Lastly, if you have a 5010 version 3, keep it 👍🏼
hi, actually i have a Meta SX commencal 2022, but i feel heavy, do you recomend me this bike? , i ride for long trails, some downs, drops, ramps, gaps, i don have problems with de sx, but i want be more playful, and my SX at ramps is slow, the 5010 supports a 160mm fork? or not?
Sounds like the new Santa Cruz Bronson would be a good fit for you. It comes with a 160mm fork. I wouldn’t put a 160 fork on the 5010.
@@jctrails thanks bro, i need check both bikes
Being 5'10, how does the large frame feel? I'm 5'9 and my experience with large frames has been they are way too big to have fun on.
The L is a touch big for me, but I can make it work with a 40mm stem and 780mm wide bars. I prefer the longer if I’m riding steep trails. I would go with a M if I was strictly riding flow trails and dirt jumps.
Throw a 27.5 wheel up front and see how it feels. Might still have that skateboard bike feel-I wonder.
Great video! Thanks. I am wondering if you could also turn it into a full 29er? Does anyone know?
I might get it so its interesting to run it either full 27,5 or 29. I am not a big fan of the mullet concept on bikes.
27.5 only
I know they’re two completely different bikes, but your Top Fuel or the new 5010?
If you plan on hitting jumps and some bit of tech trails, I would say the 5010.
If money was no object, what 2 bikes would you own? One Enduro and one, trail, XC/downcountry
I might go Evil Wreckoning (coral reefer) and S-Works Epic Evo. A fun bouncy big bike and a fast efficient xc whip.
Is epic evo better?
Different category bike.
We need more videos
Where are you, lol
Not sure who's going to buy this? Why not get a Hightower or Bronson? Bummer.
I prefer the 5010 over the Bronson for my local trails, but it’s a shame they don’t make a pure 27.5 one.
Me. 😂 I still have the v3 5010, it’s still my favorite bike.
Would you buy it?
I would
That confirmed my greatest fear that it would lose its playful nature. I always wanted a 5010 but, they did not make an xxl. Now they hav introduced a size xxl they have softened its playful nature. So no longer of interest to me.
Tough slip.
Slam!!!
promosm
Dude just put an $8k bike in the back of his pickup, lol. No tailgate pad or bike rack?
Dude…you were hauling ass!
Mullet from the factory is one of the dumbest decisions ever but what else would you expect from a company that throws on sram sx drivetrains on $3k+ bikes?
Answer the question: why not just buy a tallboy ?
#1 the 5010 is more capable, #2 it gets around turns better with the smaller back wheel, and #3 on big drops you don’t buzz your booty on the back wheel. The tallboy does carry more speed in a straight line and pedal little better, but that’s it.
@@jctrails thank you ! Also… will the trend stay or die like plus tires did ? And the next greatest thing will be dual 29er and dual 27.5 ?
@@Dy1pickel what ever makes the bike companies will stay around.