Unfortunately this history is still ignored, forgotten and denied to this day. However anti-Roma racism and stereotypes stemming from slavery are still widely spread and even encouraged throughout Europe. If you want to learn more about Roma slavery I tagged my full length youtube video which goes over the topic in-depth! Make sure to follow Kahlil Greene (@genzhistorian) on all social media platforms for similar history content! Sources for this video: * Achim, V. (2023). Slavery in Southeastern Europe. In: Pargas, D.A., Schiel, J. (eds) The Palgrave Handbook of Global Slavery throughout History. Palgrave Macmillan, Cham. doi.org/10.1007/978-3-031-13260-5_30 * Hancock, Ian F.. The Pariah Syndrome: An Account of Gypsy Slavery and Persecution. United States, Karoma Publishers, 1987. radoc.net/radoc.php?doc=art_k_the_pariah_syndrome&lang=en&articles=true * Heng, G. (2018). The Invention of Race in the European Middle Ages. India: Cambridge University Press. pp: 417-447 * Magda Matache. It is time reparations are paid for Roma slavery. Al Jazeera. 2020. * lulia Hau. Roma slavery in Romania. Europeana. 2021.
I can't tell you how many arguments I've had with my family because they still think the Roma were just serfs. Nothing I say will make them listen to me because I've lived in California for almost 20 years and I haven't gone to school in Romania since I left Romania after 6th grade. They just refuse to accept that a lot of things taught in Romanian history classes are simply not accurate. They don't understand that there is a difference between history textbooks in Romanian at least the ones I had in school between 1999-2005 (which lack references- most American textbooks have a long list of citations at the end of the textbook) and primary sources. It is enraging!
I wasn't taught this until college and even then it was very minimal. We were taught that the original slaves were Eastern Europeans and they were called Slavs.
Race based slavery gotta be one of the worst, most disgusting things invented! Imagine becoming a slave from the day of your birth simply because you were of a different ethnic group! Be seen as property and treated as less than human no less!
Nope, romani history and indian history is related. Indians are brown skinned people and Romanis orginated from central india and from central india they migrated and mixed with northwestern india and then you know they went to europe
@@Mohammad_faizan_rajputh yeah, but the common denominator appears to be anti-blackness (the darker your skin, the further from human they view you to be). Although different terms have been applied to specify where certain brown folks come from, the overall sentiment from white Europeans is the same.
For those not paying attention to the video, they do explain the difference between the race based/chattle slavery of more recent times vs the slavery of antiquity. The lack of critical thinking in some of these comments is disappointing but unsurprising. Thank you both for the time and effort you put into this educational video!
Excellent topic! A friend of mine is a 4th or 5th great-grandson of Lyman Beecher through one of his sons making him a several greats grandnephew of Harriet Beecher Stowe. I didn’t know her book also changed the course of slavery in Eastern Europe too.
Woah! I several years ago discovered my roots to the Roma people. Though I’ve never lived nor known anyone who still lives the lifestyle I found it a duty of mine to educate myself and my family. I’m devastated to know that I still was unaware of many of these facts! Keep doing Gods work brother. 😳🙏✨✨🙏
Considering that THIS is what roma had to go through as soon as they entered Europe, its absolutely disgusting how so many Europeans speak about them. I'm glad I found this channel so I won't end up as one of those people. Thank you for what you do.
i should like to add that the romani where first enslaved and largely by the ottoman's, then a lot of them cotinued migrating to europe,(romanian, moldova transnistria), where they were further enslaved by them, this european states where vassals of the ottoman's aswell...
@@decodedpsyop yes, anatolia has always been very diverse, but we are talking about the ruling class from about 1400s to 1900s, those were only turks, and they sure as hell kept their culture and identity from mixing too much with the diferent local tribes (greeks, mongols, persians, caspians, levantines, etc)
This is a history that has been past down from farther to son for many decades in my family. happy to see this being spoken of bc most don’t know or even truly understand the history between African and Romani decent and how aligned we all really are. Respect and appreciate what y’all do .
Could you sometime talk about the basque Romani people and the basque Romani language erromintxela I’m very interested in both cultures and would love to see how they’ve mixed over the years!
subscribed because i want to learn more about this. i love the way you break it down and bring attention to this. it’s disgusting the way the romani people were treated and still treated to this day, the way anti-roma racism is still encouraged hurts.
And what people still seem to want to ignore (perhaps this is a bit off-topic, I know) is that slavery ending first became conceivable not when the abolitionist movement start in England d(and no I'm not saying the abolitionist movement in England should be overlooked or forgotten, or that we should downplay the Civil War, but the idea that slavery could end and was wrong didn't start until after the slave rebellion in Haiti. It feels sometimes like no one wants to admit that it was slaves themselves who first inspired the idea of slavery ending completely. Though I'm a mix of the UK and Eastern Europe by background so I don't know if I should really have any say in this I guess
You have as much say as you want. You have a right to your opinion on any subject. That is free speech. No one can say you don't because your view may be correct. Whoever says you don't have any say is racist. I think you may be correct about slavery being able to end due to the Haitian Revolution since that was the first case of slaves becoming free.
Hi Florian, do you have any data whether Roma slavery was practiced in the Ottoman empire (Rumelian part / modern Bulgaria) as well? I found a really detailed book on the topic of the institutions of slavery in the Ottoman empire, but I can't find any mentions of Roma slavery but plenty of foreigners to the Ottoman empire, including Vlachs/Romanians
I have a question and I don’t mean to offend if it’s offensive. But has there ever been a movement for the Roma people to rediscover their roots in their original homeland in India. Kind of like how a lot of African Americans and Caribbean people are moving back to the place where their original tribe was.. I’ve watched a few of your videos so I know that Romani people have a nomad culture so I wondered if there wasn’t if movement like that if that was the reason
Honestly watch african americans in africa is like watching a 5 year old discover a toilet flushes😂 I saw a video posted on a south African meme page of an African American get surprised we can make in land beaches
Who is the other creator with you Florian? Thank you for sharing this information, the education is so deeply appreciated -- lots of love for all reading this 🥹🫧💟🦐💌
😵😵 that moment when you’re romanian and tell your english and american buds we would NEVER do anything like that, we’ve been busy defending our territories for centuries
There were also Hebrews being slaves in Egypt in ancient times. But as everywhere, if you are a slave- you have absolutely zero rights and essentially with no value to them of course same thing applied that in both US slavery and Roma slavery there were also white americans and white Romanians who were enslaved (of course the majority was Roma, and I think mostly Romanians who were poor were enslaved) but nontheless, if you're a slave- you were nothing.
Am sorry but I disagree - before that in Eastern Europe there was a different type of slavery going on - from enslaving Slavs, which even gave origin to the word slave as they were the resource for slaves both for Christians and Muslims since they were different - pagans. And I guess even that is not the first slavery system occurring
indeed, something to consider, since most romani slaves where enslaved by the ottomans... also the romania and trasnitria and moldova where essentially ottoman vassals
Only Romanian territories I know of are Walllachia Transilvanya Moldova Transinitsra Moldavia Moldovia Constança Bulgarian Alps Serbian Alps Burgos Macedonia Mauripolçia Dniepra Thracia Sôfia Skopjiça Arianopolis Gutenburg and Alexandrianopolis
I'm wondering as a non-Roma if I'll feel about it the same way I feel about Shakira's 'Gypsy' song since discovering this channel - with unease and uncertainty if I should be listening to it in the first place, curious or half hoping that there'll be something non-stereotypical in it but not sure if it'll be there
@@EugenIsHere also craftsmen, like making baskets and such, they were very handy peoples! which is why they were enslaved by the ottomans and balkan's peoples :( very not cool, they could have just asked for them baskets and given a gyro in return...
They were not ensIaving people based on race, (a concept which was invented in Medieval Europe) nor did they practice chattel slavery, please listen beyond the first few words because it literally said that there were earlier forms of European slavery and why it is different from those forms
@@florida.florian Chattel slavery was practised in places such as the Roman Empire and classical Greece, check the wikipedia. And often it was people different nation or race that they captured in wars. It doesn't make slavery of Romani people less horrible and bad.
@@NhatMaisq1wg, nope, because of the fear of rebellions, so men were castrated. Allowing male slaves to be able to reproduce was historically very unusual. The Mamuluks in Egypt were a mixture of Greek and other European Muslim slaves that rebelled and took over Egypt from the Arabs, but the Mamuluks were already culturally assimilated into the Arab culture to actually make any difference in the region. This is an example of why castration of male slaves happened, and why it is unusual to breed slaves. European Americans were largely fortunate to not have mass rebellions, only within the Caribbean such rebellions were successful.
Rumunia not Romania 🤣 90% of the Rumunians are Slavic/Germanic they dont got nothing Latin in there Blood 🤣 so how in the Hell the use this name "Romania" ???? HOW ????
@@Harib_Al-Saq 🤣🤣🤣 Please Look at My Heritage DNA Test of Roma and Rumanians than you will know everything We Roma Share more than 50% of Italian/Greek Genetics 🧬 the Rumanian are Clearly most Slavic or Germanic just watch
The first known example of slavery was by an ancient king named Nimrod. You might have heard of him from the bible. While it is unknown what race he was specifically every supposed reincarnation of him was black. He is primarily known for being Atheist and hunting humans for sport. While the term "slave" was not used in ancient times, these humans he hunted were obviously not being hunted willingly. Most historians agree they were likely slaves captured in battle. Since most ancient wars were fought civilization against civilization it is very likely that Nimrod primarily enslaved members of other races. If the existence of Nimrod is historically accurate he would have live between 2,800 BCE and 2,100 BCE, or 4.1 - 4.8 thousand years ago.
Did we say first example of slavery? no. Please listen to the video instead of interpreting it your own way, we said first example of race based slavery done by Europeans, Nimrod was not a European nor did the concept of race as we understand it today exist in that time
@@lbarnx Nobody said that it is excuse of any sort. They just pointed to the fact that slavery was not invention towards Romani people and that chattel slavery also existed before medieval times. Just correcting history facts, not excusing anything.
@@julianspaghi4592 Because that is the only reason some people do any research about slavery. Apparently thinking that every country/person isn't responsible for their own decisions.
what about race based do you not understand? Race as a concept was created in medieval Europe and this was the first instance of it being used a justification by Europeans to enslave a population and view them as not human but property.
Romania is an Eastern European country and they are primarily white. Roma people are from India originally but traveled to many European countries including Romania where they were enslaved. Soms European countries believed them to be from Africa due to their darker skin which is where "g*psy" comes from because they believed they cane from Egypt. That was not accurate though
@@Teajay21 I am a Roma person from Romania (Constanța), I was just very confused by whatever that other person was saying (just trying to get them to explain it... because, yes, it sounded like BS).
If you actually listened to the video, we acknowledged that there were earlier forms of slavery in Europe, this was the first time that race was specifically used as a justification for slavery and that someone’s race automatically made them a slave, Roman slavery was not based on race
That is not even true. What could possibly be worse than being born into slavery, having no control over you or your children's lives, and never being free? Brutality, r@pe, and murder are the hallmarks of chattel slavery.
@@NhatMaisq1wg but the roma did not want to be converted, from what i know romani where largely enslaved by the ottomans for their craftmanship, (not their skin color)
Do you know without the hatred without the racism without a country we would just be like everyone else .i wouldnt be able to be at one with nature my ancestors wouldnt be able to guide me in life i wouldnt be able to have heart and love for any child .the bad things you do in life will affect your children the bad things you do will stop your ancestors from guiding and keeping your family safe . the muller waits for you when you die not your ancestors .be good love nature help anyone who is worser off in life then your self never judge a poor help .you will sleep better and your ancestors will always be waiting for you when your time comes .the next life is as good as this life for the good man .all the peoples you have lost freinds family your great grandparents you may never have seen and lots you have seen .being a good man allows you to then wait for the ones that havd lost you .most english gypsys lived this way for a thousand years or more . This is what separates the english gypsys they never have wanted to be part of society .
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Unfortunately this history is still ignored, forgotten and denied to this day. However anti-Roma racism and stereotypes stemming from slavery are still widely spread and even encouraged throughout Europe. If you want to learn more about Roma slavery I tagged my full length youtube video which goes over the topic in-depth! Make sure to follow Kahlil Greene (@genzhistorian) on all social media platforms for similar history content!
Sources for this video:
* Achim, V. (2023). Slavery in Southeastern Europe. In: Pargas, D.A., Schiel, J. (eds) The Palgrave Handbook of Global Slavery throughout History. Palgrave Macmillan, Cham. doi.org/10.1007/978-3-031-13260-5_30
* Hancock, Ian F.. The Pariah Syndrome: An Account of Gypsy Slavery and Persecution. United States, Karoma Publishers, 1987. radoc.net/radoc.php?doc=art_k_the_pariah_syndrome&lang=en&articles=true
* Heng, G. (2018). The Invention of Race in the European Middle Ages. India: Cambridge University Press. pp: 417-447
* Magda Matache. It is time reparations are paid for Roma slavery. Al Jazeera. 2020.
* lulia Hau. Roma slavery in Romania. Europeana.
2021.
@@xnamkcorYou at least know that that's racist, right? I just wanna make sure you're aware.
@@GaySatanicClowns What are you replying to? I don't see a comment.
the comment they’re replying to was deleted for being racist
I can't tell you how many arguments I've had with my family because they still think the Roma were just serfs. Nothing I say will make them listen to me because I've lived in California for almost 20 years and I haven't gone to school in Romania since I left Romania after 6th grade. They just refuse to accept that a lot of things taught in Romanian history classes are simply not accurate. They don't understand that there is a difference between history textbooks in Romanian at least the ones I had in school between 1999-2005 (which lack references- most American textbooks have a long list of citations at the end of the textbook) and primary sources. It is enraging!
I wasn't taught this until college and even then it was very minimal. We were taught that the original slaves were Eastern Europeans and they were called Slavs.
Race based slavery gotta be one of the worst, most disgusting things invented! Imagine becoming a slave from the day of your birth simply because you were of a different ethnic group! Be seen as property and treated as less than human no less!
No that's misinformation
@@EugenIsHere I would love to hear ya explain your point
@@OKay-ox3kh I don't think that's what they were saying my g.
I don't know those black tribes in Africa were enslaving black people destroying their tribes and had human sacerfices of their slaves.
But other slavery is ok??
Ah, so Black history and Romani history are related! This is interesting
Nope, romani history and indian history is related. Indians are brown skinned people and Romanis orginated from central india and from central india they migrated and mixed with northwestern india and then you know they went to europe
@@Mohammad_faizan_rajputh yeah, but the common denominator appears to be anti-blackness (the darker your skin, the further from human they view you to be). Although different terms have been applied to specify where certain brown folks come from, the overall sentiment from white Europeans is the same.
@@adaj472 their is anti brown moment as well indians face the same racism in white countries jus like the romanis were facing for 1000 of years.
@@adaj472 true tho🇮🇳❤️. I love my india and it's ancient history.
the indus valley civilzation 🇮🇳❤️. Indo-aryans🇮🇳❤️🕉☸️🪯.
You forgot about the Slavic people.
The people slaves are literally named after
The dynamic duo is back!
Keep spreading the knowledge Florian! The world needs to know this! Roma slavery was a real thing & it must be included in History text books.
why are people in the comments deliberately misunderstanding y'all? this history is essential for understanding
For those not paying attention to the video, they do explain the difference between the race based/chattle slavery of more recent times vs the slavery of antiquity.
The lack of critical thinking in some of these comments is disappointing but unsurprising. Thank you both for the time and effort you put into this educational video!
Excellent topic! A friend of mine is a 4th or 5th great-grandson of Lyman Beecher through one of his sons making him a several greats grandnephew of Harriet Beecher Stowe. I didn’t know her book also changed the course of slavery in Eastern Europe too.
Woah! I several years ago discovered my roots to the Roma people.
Though I’ve never lived nor known anyone who still lives the lifestyle I found it a duty of mine to educate myself and my family.
I’m devastated to know that I still was unaware of many of these facts!
Keep doing Gods work brother. 😳🙏✨✨🙏
Considering that THIS is what roma had to go through as soon as they entered Europe, its absolutely disgusting how so many Europeans speak about them. I'm glad I found this channel so I won't end up as one of those people. Thank you for what you do.
i should like to add that the romani where first enslaved and largely by the ottoman's, then a lot of them cotinued migrating to europe,(romanian, moldova transnistria), where they were further enslaved by them, this european states where vassals of the ottoman's aswell...
@@julianspaghi4592 Ottomans are Euro themselves.
@@decodedpsyop turkey is (mostly) still not in europe, and the turkish were never a european tribe, your point?
@julianspaghi4592 Anatolia was Greeks, the mongols , Persian are the modern Turkish
@@decodedpsyop yes, anatolia has always been very diverse, but we are talking about the ruling class from about 1400s to 1900s, those were only turks, and they sure as hell kept their culture and identity from mixing too much with the diferent local tribes (greeks, mongols, persians, caspians, levantines, etc)
This is a history that has been past down from farther to son for many decades in my family. happy to see this being spoken of bc most don’t know or even truly understand the history between African and Romani decent and how aligned we all really are. Respect and appreciate what y’all do .
romani were indian in origin, soo asian...
Thank you for sharing, there is a lot I didn’t know
Could you sometime talk about the basque Romani people and the basque Romani language erromintxela I’m very interested in both cultures and would love to see how they’ve mixed over the years!
I love the collaboration I wish more ppl would come together ❤
Please never stop making these videos!! People need to know the truth!!
Essential learning!
Oh, man, some of the comments here are heartbreaking. Trolling about slavery!!! Thank you for soldiering through to combat ignorance. ❤
This is why The Roma and Blacks need to unite and have dialog we have similar backgrounds .
I learn so much on this page! Thank you for spreading this truth!
living ironically in europe made a very informative video on this topic and how it developed and spread.
he also spread misinformation too and spoke over Romani people
isn't that the guy who makes a living off selling a stereotype of his region?
Great duo!!
subscribed because i want to learn more about this. i love the way you break it down and bring attention to this. it’s disgusting the way the romani people were treated and still treated to this day, the way anti-roma racism is still encouraged hurts.
I only ask that you continue to preach the truth, thank you
Thank u for informing us❤
This did not happen throughout eastern Europe, it happened in Romania. Meanwhile Slavs were being enslaved themselves.
And what people still seem to want to ignore (perhaps this is a bit off-topic, I know) is that slavery ending first became conceivable not when the abolitionist movement start in England d(and no I'm not saying the abolitionist movement in England should be overlooked or forgotten, or that we should downplay the Civil War, but the idea that slavery could end and was wrong didn't start until after the slave rebellion in Haiti. It feels sometimes like no one wants to admit that it was slaves themselves who first inspired the idea of slavery ending completely.
Though I'm a mix of the UK and Eastern Europe by background so I don't know if I should really have any say in this I guess
You have as much say as you want. You have a right to your opinion on any subject. That is free speech. No one can say you don't because your view may be correct. Whoever says you don't have any say is racist.
I think you may be correct about slavery being able to end due to the Haitian Revolution since that was the first case of slaves becoming free.
Hi Florian, do you have any data whether Roma slavery was practiced in the Ottoman empire (Rumelian part / modern Bulgaria) as well? I found a really detailed book on the topic of the institutions of slavery in the Ottoman empire, but I can't find any mentions of Roma slavery but plenty of foreigners to the Ottoman empire, including Vlachs/Romanians
commenting to boost, everyone should know about this!
thanks for sharing, i learn a lot from you both
Thank you, this is overlooked by pretty much all Western teaching.
Continuing to educate the masses, I see. Perfect.
this form of slavery was barely european being primarily ottoman and romania.
Correct.
We were considered features of the land, like deer.
Being property of the state or church because you don't have a "master" *cough* human trafficker *cough* is wild!!!
I have a question and I don’t mean to offend if it’s offensive. But has there ever been a movement for the Roma people to rediscover their roots in their original homeland in India. Kind of like how a lot of African Americans and Caribbean people are moving back to the place where their original tribe was.. I’ve watched a few of your videos so I know that Romani people have a nomad culture so I wondered if there wasn’t if movement like that if that was the reason
Honestly watch african americans in africa is like watching a 5 year old discover a toilet flushes😂
I saw a video posted on a south African meme page of an African American get surprised we can make in land beaches
It's one struggle against a system of oppression
You forgot about the ottoman slave trade of Roma
They really be doing co-op history
Who is the other creator with you Florian? Thank you for sharing this information, the education is so deeply appreciated -- lots of love for all reading this 🥹🫧💟🦐💌
What they don't teach you in school...
Because it's bs.
😵😵 that moment when you’re romanian and tell your english and american buds we would NEVER do anything like that, we’ve been busy defending our territories for centuries
I hate that so many stories of enslaved people's aren't better known.
Even white slaves, galley slaves.
There were also Hebrews being slaves in Egypt in ancient times. But as everywhere, if you are a slave- you have absolutely zero rights and essentially with no value to them of course same thing applied that in both US slavery and Roma slavery there were also white americans and white Romanians who were enslaved (of course the majority was Roma, and I think mostly Romanians who were poor were enslaved) but nontheless, if you're a slave- you were nothing.
Egyptian records to not support Hebrews being enslaved their or an exodus. For some reason they fabricated it in their religious texts
@@davidmccarroll2280The Exodus story was fabricated during their exile in Babylon.
Did you know ever other continent besides antartica has also had slaves since recorded history
Am sorry but I disagree - before that in Eastern Europe there was a different type of slavery going on - from enslaving Slavs, which even gave origin to the word slave as they were the resource for slaves both for Christians and Muslims since they were different - pagans. And I guess even that is not the first slavery system occurring
Im a serbian gypsy and i get called a gancaci and cigani on a daily bases. Not to mention i have a phone and regular house. gosh these stereotypes
As a romanian...ups😃😀
What can you say about the fact, that in Vojvodina there are news in romani language?
The word slave comes from slav because eastern Europeans where taken as slaves often.
@florida.florian What can you say about "Kaze to ki no uta"?
So embarrassing for us Romanians, we had to have the US teach us right from wrong
Waiting people to ralk about the arab/muslim slavery also
Most Muslims aren’t Arab, weird that you’re equating the two. It’s almost like you have an agenda…
indeed, something to consider, since most romani slaves where enslaved by the ottomans... also the romania and trasnitria and moldova where essentially ottoman vassals
I'm half arab, and half Romani and yes slavery has been around both races!
No, dear.
Only Romanian territories I know of are
Walllachia
Transilvanya
Moldova
Transinitsra
Moldavia
Moldovia
Constança
Bulgarian Alps
Serbian Alps
Burgos
Macedonia
Mauripolçia
Dniepra
Thracia
Sôfia
Skopjiça
Arianopolis
Gutenburg
and
Alexandrianopolis
How do you feel about lady Gaga making a song called Gypsy?
I'm wondering as a non-Roma if I'll feel about it the same way I feel about Shakira's 'Gypsy' song since discovering this channel - with unease and uncertainty if I should be listening to it in the first place, curious or half hoping that there'll be something non-stereotypical in it but not sure if it'll be there
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Befor that there was serfs and befor that tribes would be enslaved through war including my og tribe off Ilyria
😢
Incredible history…What about Barbary slavery or Ottoman slavery or the forceful occupation of Romanian principalities by The Ottomans?
I'll never get over how many different peoples have had to force Europeans to see our humanity
And it's still happening in places like Palestine
What about the Muslims
In what tasks were Roma slaves? Never heard of that and I thank you guys for letting me know something I never knew
Blacksmiths, maids, servants and gold minners
@@EugenIsHere also craftsmen, like making baskets and such, they were very handy peoples! which is why they were enslaved by the ottomans and balkan's peoples :( very not cool, they could have just asked for them baskets and given a gyro in return...
I think the Ancient Greeks and probably some European bronze age cultures where doing it before that
They were not ensIaving people based on race, (a concept which was invented in Medieval Europe) nor did they practice chattel slavery, please listen beyond the first few words because it literally said that there were earlier forms of European slavery and why it is different from those forms
@@florida.florian Chattel slavery was practised in places such as the Roman Empire and classical Greece, check the wikipedia. And often it was people different nation or race that they captured in wars.
It doesn't make slavery of Romani people less horrible and bad.
Hm
Hold on they are Indians 🙄 i can recognize them easily
O my god are you serious! Those are Indians in Roma 😮
I need to share this video of yours. Bye
roma people are descendant from Indian
You fail to mention the fact that some countries still have slavery
This is about CHATTEL slavery.
Slavs? 🤨
not Chattel Slavery
Exactly, this is twisting history in so many levels.
@@NhatMaisq1wg, nope, because of the fear of rebellions, so men were castrated. Allowing male slaves to be able to reproduce was historically very unusual. The Mamuluks in Egypt were a mixture of Greek and other European Muslim slaves that rebelled and took over Egypt from the Arabs, but the Mamuluks were already culturally assimilated into the Arab culture to actually make any difference in the region. This is an example of why castration of male slaves happened, and why it is unusual to breed slaves. European Americans were largely fortunate to not have mass rebellions, only within the Caribbean such rebellions were successful.
Slavs comes from Roma Slavic people!
Irish we're slaves too, and Russians had serves for 500 years.
People also forget that the word Slav means slave, the Slavs were a major group that were enslaved by the Romans.
I wish the ottomans helped out the others too 😢❤
Even before that, there was the Slavs, which is where the word slave comes from. They were enslaved by the ancient Romans.
The word comes from a Latin word for captive, which then went through French to middle English.
The word slave is originally from a Latin word meaning captive, it then went through French into middle English.
Slavs were not ensIaved on the basis of race nor did they undergo chattel sIavery, please listen to the video
@@florida.florianthey most definitely where.
Britain largely fell into slavery by conquering Spanish and French colonies in the americas. They then abolished slavery
Rumunia not Romania 🤣
90% of the Rumunians are Slavic/Germanic they dont got nothing Latin in there Blood 🤣 so how in the Hell the use this name "Romania" ???? HOW ????
Latin blood doesn't exist, its a linguistic group
@@EugenIsHerePeople from Latium exist.
@@Harib_Al-Saq What is this O'G Rumun say I can't see his comment???
And what you mean ?? Habbibi???
@@enis-OnePiece He said there is no such thing as Latin blood. The region of Latium is where Latin originates.
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The first known example of slavery was by an ancient king named Nimrod. You might have heard of him from the bible. While it is unknown what race he was specifically every supposed reincarnation of him was black. He is primarily known for being Atheist and hunting humans for sport. While the term "slave" was not used in ancient times, these humans he hunted were obviously not being hunted willingly. Most historians agree they were likely slaves captured in battle. Since most ancient wars were fought civilization against civilization it is very likely that Nimrod primarily enslaved members of other races.
If the existence of Nimrod is historically accurate he would have live between 2,800 BCE and 2,100 BCE, or 4.1 - 4.8 thousand years ago.
Did we say first example of slavery? no. Please listen to the video instead of interpreting it your own way, we said first example of race based slavery done by Europeans, Nimrod was not a European nor did the concept of race as we understand it today exist in that time
How is "they did it too" a valid excuse for evil/criminal behavior?
@@lbarnx Nobody said that it is excuse of any sort. They just pointed to the fact that slavery was not invention towards Romani people and that chattel slavery also existed before medieval times. Just correcting history facts, not excusing anything.
@@lbarnx he didn't excuse any form of slavery???? can't you read?
@@julianspaghi4592 Because that is the only reason some people do any research about slavery. Apparently thinking that every country/person isn't responsible for their own decisions.
Is someone going to tell him that slavery existed before 1800 and 1700s?
Like over 12,000 years ago?
what about race based do you not understand? Race as a concept was created in medieval Europe and this was the first instance of it being used a justification by Europeans to enslave a population and view them as not human but property.
Like that would make it okay.
@@florida.florian bullshit, the idea of race and diferences bewteen "our people" "their people" is as ancient as humans
Romania was dark skin with kinky hair as afrikans,before they calim they were indians.
What do you even mean?
Romania is an Eastern European country and they are primarily white. Roma people are from India originally but traveled to many European countries including Romania where they were enslaved. Soms European countries believed them to be from Africa due to their darker skin which is where "g*psy" comes from because they believed they cane from Egypt. That was not accurate though
@@Teajay21 I am a Roma person from Romania (Constanța), I was just very confused by whatever that other person was saying (just trying to get them to explain it... because, yes, it sounded like BS).
@SaevaKali yes I mean to reply to the Original comment because it seemed very confused!
Romanians are white!!! Romania it’s a country in Eastern Europe!! Leave our country alone we are not Africans or Indians !!
You guys know slavery was common in the Roman Empire right?
If you actually listened to the video, we acknowledged that there were earlier forms of slavery in Europe, this was the first time that race was specifically used as a justification for slavery and that someone’s race automatically made them a slave, Roman slavery was not based on race
So, "they did it too" is a good excuse for horrible behavior, is something Europeans should not be saying around the people they have victimized.
To be fair, unemployment was less of an issue.
No
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Adolf Hitler-ass comment
Europeans didn't start slavery we ended it.
Wasn't that actually Haiti?
@@HiddenPulse04 No it wasnt
@@V.T.1989 You sure?
@@HiddenPulse04 Yea I'm sure.
@@V.T.1989 Explain
Not even close to the early forms of slavery lmao
RACE BASED, please listen, not the earliest form of sIavery, the video literally says there were earlier forms of slavery and serfdom in Europe
That is not even true. What could possibly be worse than being born into slavery, having no control over you or your children's lives, and never being free? Brutality, r@pe, and murder are the hallmarks of chattel slavery.
Nope
Tf you mean "nope"?
From people that love to leave evidence of EVERYTHING that they do, denial is ridiculous.
YEP.
Did the ottomans not enslave roma people then?
They allowed Christian Roma to be enslaved European buyers, but not Muslim Roma.
No. Once Roma converted to Islam they wouldn’t be enslaved.
@@NhatMaisq1wg but the roma did not want to be converted, from what i know romani where largely enslaved by the ottomans for their craftmanship, (not their skin color)
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