This doesn't feel right to me. If you want to demonstrate how small a target the new 7 mm PRC can hit from 1024 yards you could have used a simple steel plate to do it. There was no need to use that Elk as a marketing guinea pig. It seems like a cruel disservice to the animal. Before I start getting hate messages for voicing my opinion you should know that I am an RMEF and BHA member. I respect these animals too much to try such a long range shot like that. The worst part about it is that now every Tom, Dick and Harry (many of whom have no business shooting out that far at game) on the world wide web is going to want to go into the field and take unethical shots in copy cat fashion.
Most people will be so far short of the animal at 1000yds, it won’t matter if they try. I agree most hunters should not attempt shots beyond 250-300yds, depending on what they’re shooting and how they’re zeroed. Top-tier Long-range shooters with proper training and experience regularly hit 12” plates at 800-1200yds. Middle/upper-tier LR shooters can hit a 12” plate 1st-round from 600-700yds. It really depends on training, experience, and the conditions. If the wind is at a certain speed and value, it compresses my 1st-round hit ability down to 700-800yds on 12” plates with rifles that normally are capable of 1000-1200yd 1st-round hits. You have to know your limits. I ran a private course for a hunter recently who drew a limited bull elk tag. We did a 2-day course, then a follow-up pre-hunt day of shooting from field positions at long range. He successfully took his bull at 850yds, using a Fierce 300 PRC later that following weekend. But yes, most shooters should not even think about long range shots on game without training and experience. Most do not have rifles/optics/mounts that are even capable of doing it due to reticle/turret limits, and cartridges that don’t have what it takes to get there predictably with the right bullet.
@@LRRPFco52 You are correct when it comes to target shooting or when being a sniper shooting at an enemy. Judging the wind correctly at that distance for a good ethical first shot on an animal, is close to impossible. Shooting at an animal at that distance, has nothing to do with hunting either. This man is just using animals as his toys and to have something to brag about, and he is no hunter at all. He couldn't care less about how many animals he wounds and their suffering.
What an awesome deal! Thank y’all for being so involved with your fan base! I love my Edge, I’m sure this is just as good. Perfect set up for your long distance course!
Thats one sweet rifle. As a fellow LR hunter i kinda get why a lot in the comments got their panties in a bunch. We owe it to the animals to provide clean ethical kills. I love shooting steel to beyond distances like this but have made a mistake or two along the way hunting and have had to suck up my pride and do whats right. Knowing your limitations is really important. A few years back I cut my hunting distances to half that range and pretty much always get bang flops since. And wont shoot unless i know and can favour for the conditions. Personally my limit is around 600m and that’s shooting big critters with big rifles, 7s and 338s in rock steady positions. There’s a lot that can go wrong out at 1000 and beyond and it’s to hard on my conscious to risk that. I’m not a fan of the marketing buy this rifle and you can shoot animals at 1000 yards. I do love the technology and how rifles are advancing and will eventually have a 7prc but shots at those distances for me will be on steel and ill still ideally try to work within 500 regardless of what calibre, bullet setup being used. Impressive speed for that short of a barrel that is certainly one handy and capable rifle. Cheers
I know it was a crazy far shot but from a marketing standpoint I don't think I would have posted a video of an elk needing two shots and then bragging about how awesome the 7 PRC is. That's like bragging about how I have the best broadheads ever and then showing a video of a deer needing to get hit by two of them to go down. Maybe take a closer shot and go for DRT or at least a one shot kill? Either way I'm sure the 7PRC will do fine
Totally agree with you on that. Even worse, some people might feel encouraged to imitate this not being able to put a second shot on the animal, we all know how that ends…
7MM REM MAG... For a shot that far, the 7 PRC has no advantages over the 7mm mag..Difference in bullet drop is very minimal to almost the same passed 400-500yds..
I shoot targets that are smaller than an elk at 1000 yards, but I wouldn't shoot an elk at 1000. A decent gust of wind and you have a wounded animal. Didn't show where it was hit, I'm guessing it was a bit far back for a lung shot. I could make the same shot with a Savage. :)
@user-yt2nv3si7i in wide open, snow covered terrain.. you're not gonna get within 400 yards of an elk very easily. You'll make way too much noise and they're already bugging out, however.. this shot was utterly ridiculous. He could've easily gotten closer
@@bunggbungg7787 Yep, shoot to 1K and more at smaller targets, but they're not alive. Do you have any idea how much a 10 mph wind will push that bullet at 1K? Enough that you could miss the animal completely if you don't hold correctly for wind.
So you could have shot a closer bull but the pack out was too hard and you just didn’t want to put in the effort. Then you shoot at 1023 yards and you were only a couple feet from a road? But you had to shoot him again? Then you boast about it? Do you consider yourself a hunter or just a shooter?
I agree with what you’re saying but this video is more of a 7prc capability video than a hunting video. Hornady is spending a fuck ton on marketing for this cartridge like the other 2 prc rollouts. Everybody that wants to remain relevant and promote it has been posting videos of this cartridge for the last week or so
“With this expensive rifle you can wound game from a 1000yds too!” - past 500yds there’s exponential bullet drop and an exponential sliding scale of ethics.
Exponential growth is a process that increases quantity over time. It occurs when the instantaneous rate of change (that is, the derivative) of a quantity with respect to time is proportional to the quantity itself. Described as a function, a quantity undergoing exponential growth is an exponential function of time, that is, the variable representing time is the exponent (in contrast to other types of growth, such as quadratic growth).
@@DakotaDinwoodie You clearly are clueless about math. Exponential growth doesn't have to be related with time at all. Here is a bit you can try to understand about exponential growth: The formula for exponential growth is y=ab^x when the b is greater than 1. The value of a can never be 0 and the value of b can never be 1. When using exponential growth as a relationship using percents, we use this formula: y = a(1+r)^x, where r is the growth rate, a is the initial value and x is the exponent of the base 1 + r. If you didn't understand that, you can ask someone to dumb it down for you.
@@The_Judge300 I copy and pasted the top result in google. I'm fully aware how exponents and exponential growth work. "Just because you can't do it doesnt mean it isn't ethical"
Opinions are like assholes every 1 has 1 iv made multiple kills in the sub 1100 yard range on bear deer elk, moose ect I practice to 1500 on a monthly basis I shoot close to 6000 rounds a year personally when shooting elk and moose the bigger 30 and 338s put out way more energy at range and dump bigger animals with far more authority... The 7mm seems like it would be better if kept under 900 on elk and more suited to black bear sheep mnt goats ect.
If you are not an experienced shooter and practice all the time then maybe it would be a disgrace. Same argument could be made in many hunting situations even at close range. The elk walked 70 yards and feel over dead. Right through the lungs. Not sure how he suffered? In hunting, animals get wounded at 100 yards with rifles all the time. All I can say is the 7 PRC is a damn good LR caliber and the bullet went right where I aimed. Back straps were delicious.
@@johnmogle5393 hell well said practice makes perfect and nice elk man I got a custom 300 prc I used this year on my mnt goat hunt didn't get a goat but love the rifle non the less and I'm having a semi custom done in 6.5 prc with a 20" barrel hopefully firce starts making some nice light left hand mountain rifles that would be nice. Exp in all the prc chamberings
Your video just injured alot of animals, you have alot of people watch your videos, now there going to think it's ethical to shoot at elk that far, not bad enough people taking shots at 6-700 yards, what happened to the skills of stalking & getting closer? Just because you can take those shots, don't mean you should 👎🏾
The problem with elk is that you can spend 6-7 days hunting them, and only get a few fleeting moments where they’re visible and presenting broadside. They like to keep their distance from people during season, and they’re very good at doing that. This is why long range cartridges in the Rocky Mountain region have been popular dating back to the 1950s. Modern optics, laser range finders, ballistic calculators, accurate bullets designed to expand at distance, and precision rifles allow trained and experienced hunters to extend their ethical killing reach. I agree about stalking as much as you can, and especially surveying/scouting your hunting areas at least a year in-advance to learn the patterns of the elk there, then stick to that area so you get to know it more. Most hunters can’t do that, especially out-of-State tags.
@@craigsanders6925 I've seen a lot of road shooters on pimped-out Razors flying up and down the main roads looking for the herds. Not my idea of hunting, but if you're filling the freezer...
Evidently that combo doesn't produce enough energy to cleanly take a Elk at that range? I'm not sure I would have published this video either. No animal should suffer because of publicity or politics! Love the sevens but you need a 26 or 28 inch barrel to really get the necessary ballistics from the prc 7 to justify that far a shot.
Did you account for elevation/Density Altitude in your calculator when coming to that conclusion? It totally changes the impact velocity and energy for proper expansion.
@@richardfinney3169 simple google search my guy. I’d love to see you present your facts and research to Hornady and tell them how wrong they are in their firing solutions 😂
@@kenbusby1581 matter of fact I have done that , I handload Hornady bullets because they are fantastic, I've been hunting for forty six years brother, I've taken many big game animals including elk, you misunderstan me you're combo doesn't produce enough energy at that range to cleanly kill a large elk , the velocity is so low at that range due to you're battle length, do the math and you'll see. Hornady is in the bullet sales business, that load doesn't expand at all at low velocity, there for no energy dump.
@@bryanmartinez5152 yep. My CT Rival I ordered May 3rd last year and was told 3-4 months. Got it at the end of October. And then I found out they built a Carbon rival and not the CT model. They called me a week earlier to tell me but never left a message. So I assumed it was ready to ship. Shipping person is the one that told me there was an issue. So I hope he doesn’t have my issue.
Shooting an elk at 1000 yards to 'field test our products'?? First, there is no need to field test a cartridge on an animal for Pete's sake. You know the ballistics and your bullet choice already, and know how it will perform. Second, is this what hunting is coming to?? Another 1000 yard shot on a beautiful animal resulting in a wounded animal and the host taking it all in stride?? If I am to be honest all these needless long range shots are all about ego and it disgusts me.
With those specs. that is a 800 yard gun max. You never exceed a 1 sec. T.O.F., at 800 yards you only have 1500 ft/lbs. at 1950 fps. which is almost to slow for that bullet to expand. That was an extreme risk, could not see where you hit the animal. This is how we get so many unclaimed animals these days. A 30-378 with a 250 grain custom hunting bullet could almost do the job at 3200 fps. , at a 1000 yards you would have 2145 fps. 2500+ ft/lbs., and 1.14 sec. T.O.F., Which is pushing the T.O.F. truthfully. That was not an ethical shot, but I am glad you were able to recover the animal.
Every time you shoot at an animal you risk a non fatal injury. Well unless the elk is glued to your backstop and you are using a lead sled at 50 yards at your local gun range...... Do not try that! I practice at 600 yards. If I had a 7mm PRC I would practice at 1000.
You’ve got to be kidding me- As a lifelong hunter I am embarrassed that you would put this out. You could have gotten closer and made a more reliable, more ethical shot, but you decided to “test your cartridge”? You should be ashamed of yourselves.
This is why more states will move towards 350 legend. 7mm PRC looks awesome to me and I will likely use one asmy go-to big game caliber. No hate on the round and no hate on the rifle. Looks quite nice. But if we hunters can’t self-regulate what reasonable distances are on shooting at game, then gov’t (rightfully) should step in. Regardless of his capabilities at punching holes in paper or hitting steel, this shot never should have been taken. Worse this is an advertisement to sell a rifle so that other would purchase the rifle in hopes of replicating this “hunt.” A lot of animals will get hurt because of this movement. A shame, too, because the bullets, overall cartridge design, and rifle are all top notch.
Anemic cartridges will never fly in the Mountain West region. Elk are very skittish and avoidance-oriented, always on the move when they smell people around. Bow hunters and muzzle loaders won’t be able to harvest enough of them for herd management.
@@jeffreyherman2729 if people weren't such egoistic pieces of #$%^ maybe the government wouldn't need to. I agree that we need some regulations to vontrol people.
Hey John, im considering buying a Twisted Rage in 7mm PRC ive been trying to find videos on how they recoil with the brake could u tell me what it would compare to say a 270 win or 3006 with the brake on the 7 PRC? Is the side port brake reduce recoil more then the Radial Brake?
You didn't "Hit him good", you wounded him and he suffered until you shot him again a long time later at 650 yards. This is an irresponsible video to post.
👍👍👍👍🎯💯 I wish TH-cam didn't monetize videos of people harvesting their game‼️ I like watching the field dressing and the pack out portion of the hunt‼️
A good rule it never shoot farther then you feel comfortable shooting. If you only feel comfortable out to 300yds then don’t go beyond that. If you comfortable out to 800yds then go ahead and take the shot. Practice makes perfect and the more you practice you do the comfortable you will feel taking a longer shot
The reason he is holding dead center is because he adjusted his turrets to that distance, and didn’t perform a hold over shot. Thats why he held dead center. I shoot game at distance too and that’s the only way to do it. I wouldn’t have taken this 1,000 yard shot though. I would have closed the gap to at least 750.
Shooting an animal past 500 yards seems more like target practice on live game and not really hunting and those that can’t stalk in closer range just don’t have the skills, good shot but 1000 yards just seems really unethical to shoot an animal at when not knowing what might happen down range
Piss poor first shot. Mid body and bottom of belly. Not a great advertisement guys, you bring bad publicity. I do long range myself, so I'm not knocking the sport.
Not even hunting. Pathetic. I can shoot 1200 yds. I would never dream of shooting anything past 400 yds because it's not ethical. All gun. No hunt. Pathetic and everything that is wrong with hunting in 2022
First you call this a spot and stalk hunt. Then you shoot at an animal at 1023 yards from just outside your car. You really showed us all your great stalking and hunting skills. This has nothing to do with hunting at all. This is only target shooting at long distances at live animals, to brag about your shooting skills and to sell a gun. You could have done that by shooting on a steel plate instead of making an animal suffer. This was not an enemy you were sniping at either, were shots like this and longer, is totally acceptable and often wanted. If you misjudge the wind, calculate the shot wrongly or don't make a perfect shot at a steel plate or an enemy, it doesn't matter that much. If that happens when you shoot at an animal and you make it suffer, it matters very much. Anyone trying to talk about skill level, knowing your limits, knowing about long range shooting or even extreme long range shooting, they can just save their time and not write about it. Any ethical hunter that is a very experienced long range shooter/sniper, would never shoot at an unwounded animal at that distance as he/she very well knows the high risks of wounding that animal and making it suffer. If you really wanted to hunt and stalk, you could have easily stalked much closer to that elk and made an ethical first shot kill. You are no hunter at all. This is nothing but disgusting. Shooting at an elk at this distance, filming it and then putting it on YT tells me all about you as persons and it is for sure not pretty.
Love when hunters treat elk like a PRS match...maybe try stalking with a lever action 308.. that is hunting. Nice rifle. But 1000 yards too much can go wrong and you won't recover that Animal.
7 PRC is NOT a 1000 yd Elk cartridge. Look up the energy at 1000. This type of "hunting" hurts the entire sport. Show us where the shot really hits??? Way too many variables at play at that range, and I say that as a long range shooter. Yes practice on steel at 1000, but our game animals deserve respect. Practical range for most shooters is 4-500 tops.
So, you are now shooting at the fives, 'cus there ain't any sixes? 'Cus ya'll shot out all the sixes. What next? the fours for the fives? and then the does? What's your strategy, exactly? I like 7mm - nice and flat and good. But how do you manage the game? The animals?
If you shoot at any animal at 1000 yards that isn't already wounded you are not an ethical person. Even if you can hit a dime at twice that distance. To much can go wrong and the animals don't deserve to suffer so you can stroke your ego. I have found to many lost animals. There are so many factors you have no control over. I am impressed by those who can hit steel at extreme range (I 'm not to bad myself) but if you have any respect for the animals you hunt stop it!!!
I see no reason to take that long of a shot on an animal. If you can’t work to cut that distance in half then in my opinion you’re not a hunter, you’re more of a shooter.
I believe the 7mm is a great suppressor host, you can use a lighter profile barrel with 1/2 ×28 threads, step it up to 5/8×24 with an adapter. And avoid the the weight of a .660+ barrel and still have a very capable, quite rifle that doesn't weigh 10lbs. All the while having enough meat from the bottom of your threads to grooves to be safe. (Vs. 30 cal bore) 7mm wm with an ultra 9 has proven to be an awesome combo. I used to use Hornady bullets exclusively, but how they marketed the eldx bullet (in reality, its a slightly tougher version of the sst, the jacket separated from the core 100% on every animal i shot) and the fact they charge for load data info,made me switch to nosler. (Free load data, and better preforming bullets on game) a choice I haven't regretted. Lr shooting on game is dumb. I will now step off my soap box.
Perfect example of why you should not take those kinds of long range shots. You hit the animal then walked around for who knows how long before taking a second shot to finish the job. That is the definition of an unethical shot. Do not do that, folks. Shameful.
Here’s my deal with Hornady rounds out of my 7mm rem mag, they never drop animals… I’m always having to track blood for another 50-100yards. I decided to switch over to Federal Berger rounds, shot my first buck of the season last weekend (my largest Florida buck ever) , I swear to god it dropped him right in his track at 550 yards. In my opinion, hornady is so worked up with just creating new rounds for no reason and focusing so much on how far their rounds can go….
I should also add that yes, If you have the right round it’ll drop bull at 1,000 yards. I’ve seen it countless of times. I don’t like that he had to mention you’ll need a follow up shot with this yardage, especially out of a 7mm..
Also federal brass is thin and holds more powder but it’s hot to me they pump the velocities up there I find just plain factory stuff Norma good stuff great brass and that oryx bullets great I’ve been handloading for 30 plus years so everything I do my own Barnes w 120 in my 7 mm o8 works like a champ out to 250
Hornaday bullets r great I moose hunt and never had to track a animal I made a soild shot on usually they drop within 10 feet of impact the three best brands r hornady nosler and Barnes infact I'd say Barnes bullets has the best groupings and best quality control
Just because you cant make that shot does not mean he cant. Most people shooting these shots just dont pick the gun up and take a pop. They practice n practice just like us lr shooters.
@@long-range-eliminator I feel that Peter’s comment wasn’t about shooter’s abilities (he’s clearly capable), but the fact that at that distance, an animal can move a fair bit in the 1-2 seconds between when the trigger is pulled and when the bullet gets there.
If you know you can do it send it it’s pretty clear when an any big game animal is about to move like danny said it takes practice and practice to make these kinds of shots
When did hunters become so gear obsessed? I shooot several 7mm rifles, but would NEVER try a shot like that while hunting. I am a hunter... not a sniper. I am disgusted.
It took 2 shots to put down the elk? How many elk did y’all have to shoot at to get that video. Next time y’all just Hail Mary shots from the road take a cheytac or 300 Norma. Not sure what this video proved other then not to buy or recommend fierce firearms.
@@Peter-od7op never shoot a deer past 30 yards with a bow then jerk i would have made that shot as well , John shoots guns a lot more than the average person , and I shoot all year long just for hunting . so please stop with the ethical bs when the avrage bow hunter cant ethically shoot a bow at 40 yards
The 7 PRC does not have enough energy to ethically kill an elk at that distance. No company or person should ever attempt to shoot or in this case test their rifle and round on an animal at that distance. I can’t believe they put this out for the public to see. It sends the wrong message about hunting in attempt to advertise a product with no regard to hunting ethics.
Try hunting elk some time, especially bulls. They know when season starts and do everything in their power to avoid humans. Their sense of smell is vastly superior to what you could even imagine.
@@LRRPFco52What are you talking about? You ride loud motorcycles, trucks, target practice..... 1000..... Do you live where elk naturally live? I do ,200 to 300 yards all day every day.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 I'm guessing you like high fence no effort hunts. Pay your money and shoot something. Might as well just go buy a goat and shoot it in the backyard.
No point in paying 7mm PRC prices when 7 mag does the same job for much less. Before anybody starts randomly arguing with my point, ballistics, etc, look up the video of the Gunwerks 7 mag stoning a huge bulk at 1200 yards.
@@nmelkhunter1 with these guys, yes. You're right. Not for everyone who takes game at long range though. There's lots of us who do it right. These clowns give us a bad rep
Wounding from the road like that just isn’t impressive. It sure didn’t prove anything about the cartridge. I’m not sure if this is a tribal guide thing or what. But it comes across lazy and disrespectful to hunting big game. The shot looked low and that animal suffered big time. No urgency from the shooter in putting that bull down cleanly after that first shot. Definitely no fair chase involved. Plus you guys drive up the hill to winch the bull into the bed of a truck. The hard work that goes into a real big game hunt makes people respect the animals more than the type of thing we just watched in this video. I know others will disagree. That’s fine. But I’d expect adverse feedback on public forums. Everyone has equal right to post what they think.
Bet that ELD X didn’t do the work it should have. I’ll never shoot them again after a few failures at much closer range than this! Berger has never let me down.
This doesn't feel right to me. If you want to demonstrate how small a target the new 7 mm PRC can hit from 1024 yards you could have used a simple steel plate to do it. There was no need to use that Elk as a marketing guinea pig. It seems like a cruel disservice to the animal. Before I start getting hate messages for voicing my opinion you should know that I am an RMEF and BHA member. I respect these animals too much to try such a long range shot like that. The worst part about it is that now every Tom, Dick and Harry (many of whom have no business shooting out that far at game) on the world wide web is going to want to go into the field and take unethical shots in copy cat fashion.
Most people will be so far short of the animal at 1000yds, it won’t matter if they try. I agree most hunters should not attempt shots beyond 250-300yds, depending on what they’re shooting and how they’re zeroed. Top-tier Long-range shooters with proper training and experience regularly hit 12” plates at 800-1200yds. Middle/upper-tier LR shooters can hit a 12” plate 1st-round from 600-700yds. It really depends on training, experience, and the conditions. If the wind is at a certain speed and value, it compresses my 1st-round hit ability down to 700-800yds on 12” plates with rifles that normally are capable of 1000-1200yd 1st-round hits. You have to know your limits.
I ran a private course for a hunter recently who drew a limited bull elk tag. We did a 2-day course, then a follow-up pre-hunt day of shooting from field positions at long range. He successfully took his bull at 850yds, using a Fierce 300 PRC later that following weekend.
But yes, most shooters should not even think about long range shots on game without training and experience. Most do not have rifles/optics/mounts that are even capable of doing it due to reticle/turret limits, and cartridges that don’t have what it takes to get there predictably with the right bullet.
@@LRRPFco52
You are correct when it comes to target shooting or when being a sniper shooting at an enemy.
Judging the wind correctly at that distance for a good ethical first shot on an animal, is close to impossible.
Shooting at an animal at that distance, has nothing to do with hunting either.
This man is just using animals as his toys and to have something to brag about, and he is no hunter at all.
He couldn't care less about how many animals he wounds and their suffering.
Would you be okey with a much shorter shot using a 243 ?!
Agreed
These kind of videos are contributing to more and more wounded animals not being recovered.
He made the shot, shut up.
You nailed it!!! Cruelty for personal fun!
@@janbastein7355 not cruelty. It's just not a good trend to teach new hunters.
Agreed!
@@bunggbungg7787 a lot guys won't.
What an awesome deal! Thank y’all for being so involved with your fan base! I love my Edge, I’m sure this is just as good. Perfect set up for your long distance course!
Thats one sweet rifle. As a fellow LR hunter i kinda get why a lot in the comments got their panties in a bunch. We owe it to the animals to provide clean ethical kills. I love shooting steel to beyond distances like this but have made a mistake or two along the way hunting and have had to suck up my pride and do whats right. Knowing your limitations is really important. A few years back I cut my hunting distances to half that range and pretty much always get bang flops since. And wont shoot unless i know and can favour for the conditions. Personally my limit is around 600m and that’s shooting big critters with big rifles, 7s and 338s in rock steady positions. There’s a lot that can go wrong out at 1000 and beyond and it’s to hard on my conscious to risk that. I’m not a fan of the marketing buy this rifle and you can shoot animals at 1000 yards.
I do love the technology and how rifles are advancing and will eventually have a 7prc but shots at those distances for me will be on steel and ill still ideally try to work within 500 regardless of what calibre, bullet setup
being used. Impressive speed for that short of a barrel that is certainly one handy and capable rifle. Cheers
I know it was a crazy far shot but from a marketing standpoint I don't think I would have posted a video of an elk needing two shots and then bragging about how awesome the 7 PRC is. That's like bragging about how I have the best broadheads ever and then showing a video of a deer needing to get hit by two of them to go down. Maybe take a closer shot and go for DRT or at least a one shot kill? Either way I'm sure the 7PRC will do fine
33 nosier anyone?
Totally agree with you on that. Even worse, some people might feel encouraged to imitate this not being able to put a second shot on the animal, we all know how that ends…
7MM REM MAG... For a shot that far, the 7 PRC has no advantages over the 7mm mag..Difference in bullet drop is very minimal to almost the same passed 400-500yds..
Marketing guy should get fired for posting this video.
Marketing guy should get fired for posting this video.
I shoot targets that are smaller than an elk at 1000 yards, but I wouldn't shoot an elk at 1000. A decent gust of wind and you have a wounded animal. Didn't show where it was hit, I'm guessing it was a bit far back for a lung shot. I could make the same shot with a Savage. :)
Shooting something past 400y is really just killing and not really "hunting" at least in my eyes. Atleast put some effort into your hunt 👍
@@user-yt2nv3si7i do you understand how hard a shot like that is....
@@bunggbungg7787 I do understand. Again that's my opinion
@user-yt2nv3si7i in wide open, snow covered terrain.. you're not gonna get within 400 yards of an elk very easily. You'll make way too much noise and they're already bugging out, however.. this shot was utterly ridiculous. He could've easily gotten closer
@@bunggbungg7787 Yep, shoot to 1K and more at smaller targets, but they're not alive. Do you have any idea how much a 10 mph wind will push that bullet at 1K? Enough that you could miss the animal completely if you don't hold correctly for wind.
Was told to get a bull under 5x5 but decided to drop a 6x6 LMAO
So you could have shot a closer bull but the pack out was too hard and you just didn’t want to put in the effort. Then you shoot at 1023 yards and you were only a couple feet from a road? But you had to shoot him again? Then you boast about it? Do you consider yourself a hunter or just a shooter?
I agree with what you’re saying but this video is more of a 7prc capability video than a hunting video. Hornady is spending a fuck ton on marketing for this cartridge like the other 2 prc rollouts. Everybody that wants to remain relevant and promote it has been posting videos of this cartridge for the last week or so
Do you consider yourself a hunter or just a youtube commenter?
I think this scenario perfectly shows how the fierce guys do everything. That’s not a compliment.
@@TheAxlepup money 💰 and clicks is all they want!
@@DOOM801. I am hunter, and this kind of shooting, that’s disguised as hunting, is pure horse shit. Period.
5 point management hunt?? Looks like a 6x6 and you stated it was. How does that square?
“With this expensive rifle you can wound game from a 1000yds too!”
- past 500yds there’s exponential bullet drop and an exponential sliding scale of ethics.
i dont think you understand what exponential means
adjective
1.
(of an increase) becoming more and more rapid.
Exponential growth is a process that increases quantity over time. It occurs when the instantaneous rate of change (that is, the derivative) of a quantity with respect to time is proportional to the quantity itself. Described as a function, a quantity undergoing exponential growth is an exponential function of time, that is, the variable representing time is the exponent (in contrast to other types of growth, such as quadratic growth).
@@DakotaDinwoodie
You clearly are clueless about math.
Exponential growth doesn't have to be related with time at all.
Here is a bit you can try to understand about exponential growth:
The formula for exponential growth is y=ab^x when the b is greater than 1.
The value of a can never be 0 and the value of b can never be 1.
When using exponential growth as a relationship using percents, we use this formula: y = a(1+r)^x, where r is the growth rate, a is the initial value and x is the exponent of the base 1 + r.
If you didn't understand that, you can ask someone to dumb it down for you.
@@The_Judge300 I copy and pasted the top result in google.
I'm fully aware how exponents and exponential growth work.
"Just because you can't do it doesnt mean it isn't ethical"
Unethical as fuck. Why do you let an elk suffer like that? Stop shooting animals at that distance! It’s a fucking disgrace!
Not real hunters
Opinions are like assholes every 1 has 1 iv made multiple kills in the sub 1100 yard range on bear deer elk, moose ect I practice to 1500 on a monthly basis I shoot close to 6000 rounds a year personally when shooting elk and moose the bigger 30 and 338s put out way more energy at range and dump bigger animals with far more authority...
The 7mm seems like it would be better if kept under 900 on elk and more suited to black bear sheep mnt goats ect.
If you are not an experienced shooter and practice all the time then maybe it would be a disgrace. Same argument could be made in many hunting situations even at close range. The elk walked 70 yards and feel over dead. Right through the lungs. Not sure how he suffered? In hunting, animals get wounded at 100 yards with rifles all the time. All I can say is the 7 PRC is a damn good LR caliber and the bullet went right where I aimed. Back straps were delicious.
@@johnmogle5393 hell well said practice makes perfect and nice elk man I got a custom 300 prc I used this year on my mnt goat hunt didn't get a goat but love the rifle non the less and I'm having a semi custom done in 6.5 prc with a 20" barrel hopefully firce starts making some nice light left hand mountain rifles that would be nice. Exp in all the prc chamberings
Talk about this how he suffer, so what about bow hunter? What do you think about that?
Great shot!
Honestly though if you guys would have shown the terminal damage and the remains of the bullets, that would have been a better!
Agreed, we completely spaced that. We intended on doing that but missed filming that.
Your video just injured alot of animals, you have alot of people watch your videos, now there going to think it's ethical to shoot at elk that far, not bad enough people taking shots at 6-700 yards, what happened to the skills of stalking & getting closer? Just because you can take those shots, don't mean you should 👎🏾
The problem with elk is that you can spend 6-7 days hunting them, and only get a few fleeting moments where they’re visible and presenting broadside. They like to keep their distance from people during season, and they’re very good at doing that. This is why long range cartridges in the Rocky Mountain region have been popular dating back to the 1950s. Modern optics, laser range finders, ballistic calculators, accurate bullets designed to expand at distance, and precision rifles allow trained and experienced hunters to extend their ethical killing reach.
I agree about stalking as much as you can, and especially surveying/scouting your hunting areas at least a year in-advance to learn the patterns of the elk there, then stick to that area so you get to know it more. Most hunters can’t do that, especially out-of-State tags.
@@LRRPFco52 Cmon, they didn't even get off the road to make the shot.
@@craigsanders6925 I've seen a lot of road shooters on pimped-out Razors flying up and down the main roads looking for the herds. Not my idea of hunting, but if you're filling the freezer...
@@LRRPFco52 They weren't filling the freezer, they were making a video about their rifle. Not hunting, just shooting an Elk over 1000 yards.
Evidently that combo doesn't produce enough energy to cleanly take a Elk at that range? I'm not sure I would have published this video either. No animal should suffer because of publicity or politics! Love the sevens but you need a 26 or 28 inch barrel to really get the necessary ballistics from the prc 7 to justify that far a shot.
Did you account for elevation/Density Altitude in your calculator when coming to that conclusion? It totally changes the impact velocity and energy for proper expansion.
Evidently you make comments with zero understanding of how ballistics work
@@kenbusby1581 lol I totally understand ballistics you evidently don't?
@@richardfinney3169 simple google search my guy. I’d love to see you present your facts and research to Hornady and tell them how wrong they are in their firing solutions 😂
@@kenbusby1581 matter of fact I have done that , I handload Hornady bullets because they are fantastic, I've been hunting for forty six years brother, I've taken many big game animals including elk, you misunderstan me you're combo doesn't produce enough energy at that range to cleanly kill a large elk , the velocity is so low at that range due to you're battle length, do the math and you'll see. Hornady is in the bullet sales business, that load doesn't expand at all at low velocity, there for no energy dump.
Why the 22 inch barrel? Don't we want to retain muzzle velocity?
when will the 7mm PRC rifles be available?
Taking orders now. They are starting to ship next week.
My buddy ordered a 300 PRC that was supposed to ship in August, still hasnt gotten it
@@bryanmartinez5152 yep. My CT Rival I ordered May 3rd last year and was told 3-4 months. Got it at the end of October. And then I found out they built a Carbon rival and not the CT model. They called me a week earlier to tell me but never left a message. So I assumed it was ready to ship. Shipping person is the one that told me there was an issue. So I hope he doesn’t have my issue.
Love that Leica optic.
I wanted to see the terminal performance of the eldx at that range. I'm interested in it compared to a berger vld
Berger destroys the ELD-X. I know a lot of guides that’ll leave you at camp if you bring the ELDs on the mountain.
Shooting an elk at 1000 yards to 'field test our products'?? First, there is no need to field test a cartridge on an animal for Pete's sake. You know the ballistics and your bullet choice already, and know how it will perform. Second, is this what hunting is coming to?? Another 1000 yard shot on a beautiful animal resulting in a wounded animal and the host taking it all in stride?? If I am to be honest all these needless long range shots are all about ego and it disgusts me.
at 1000 yards depending on the load, the 7 PRC only has approx 1000 ft/lb of energy. For a bull Elk, I would want a minimum of 1500 ft/lb.
This is awesome! I want one to go with the two rifles I already have!
With those specs. that is a 800 yard gun max. You never exceed a 1 sec. T.O.F., at 800 yards you only have 1500 ft/lbs. at 1950 fps. which is almost to slow for that bullet to expand. That was an extreme risk, could not see where you hit the animal. This is how we get so many unclaimed animals these days. A 30-378 with a 250 grain custom hunting bullet could almost do the job at 3200 fps. , at a 1000 yards you would have 2145 fps. 2500+ ft/lbs., and 1.14 sec. T.O.F., Which is pushing the T.O.F. truthfully. That was not an ethical shot, but I am glad you were able to recover the animal.
The other good thing about the mescalero reservation is there is a ton of trophy elk because only people with money can afford those tags.
Every time you shoot at an animal you risk a non fatal injury. Well unless the elk is glued to your backstop and you are using a lead sled at 50 yards at your local gun range...... Do not try that! I practice at 600 yards. If I had a 7mm PRC I would practice at 1000.
7 rem mag can also.
Chip shot!
What does that rifle weight all up scoped and suppressed? Thanks
What scope are you using?
Great vid! Is that utah？
So the CF barrels are legit? I'm still little nervous about them. Might stick to all steel. Idk
Nice! Who makes that digital scope level??
What happened with the bullet?
You’ve got to be kidding me-
As a lifelong hunter I am embarrassed that you would put this out. You could have gotten closer and made a more reliable, more ethical shot, but you decided to “test your cartridge”?
You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Thought they had big bull up there?
This is why more states will move towards 350 legend.
7mm PRC looks awesome to me and I will likely use one asmy go-to big game caliber. No hate on the round and no hate on the rifle. Looks quite nice.
But if we hunters can’t self-regulate what reasonable distances are on shooting at game, then gov’t (rightfully) should step in.
Regardless of his capabilities at punching holes in paper or hitting steel, this shot never should have been taken. Worse this is an advertisement to sell a rifle so that other would purchase the rifle in hopes of replicating this “hunt.” A lot of animals will get hurt because of this movement.
A shame, too, because the bullets, overall cartridge design, and rifle are all top notch.
Government stepping in is never the answer! The last thing we need is more government over reach.
Anemic cartridges will never fly in the Mountain West region. Elk are very skittish and avoidance-oriented, always on the move when they smell people around. Bow hunters and muzzle loaders won’t be able to harvest enough of them for herd management.
@@LRRPFco52 Agree to disagree. Cheers!
@@jeffreyherman2729 if people weren't such egoistic pieces of #$%^ maybe the government wouldn't need to. I agree that we need some regulations to vontrol people.
Luckily he’s on an Indian reservation here who self regulate. Way too many video watchers trying to pass as hunters these days.
Hey John, im considering buying a Twisted Rage in 7mm PRC ive been trying to find videos on how they recoil with the brake could u tell me what it would compare to say a 270 win or 3006 with the brake on the 7 PRC? Is the side port brake reduce recoil more then the Radial Brake?
Its the same
Just stay away from this company, lots of better options.
What bullet 175 eldx or 180 eldm or other?
You didn't "Hit him good", you wounded him and he suffered until you shot him again a long time later at 650 yards. This is an irresponsible video to post.
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I wish TH-cam didn't monetize videos of people harvesting their game‼️
I like watching the field dressing and the pack out portion of the hunt‼️
Awezome, what scope are you using?
Is that a zeiss scope? What size
A good rule it never shoot farther then you feel comfortable shooting.
If you only feel comfortable out to 300yds then don’t go beyond that.
If you comfortable out to 800yds then go ahead and take the shot.
Practice makes perfect and the more you practice you do the comfortable you will feel taking a longer shot
Wow! Dead center at over 1000. That is unbelievable! Great shot John! Love the Fierce videos. Keep ‘em’ coming.
I can’t see dead center. And I know you can’t see dead center. How can you tell? Learn ballistics Steve.
WTF ??!!!
Over 1000...???
NO !!!
It's just 935 METERS !!!
Yankees f...g distances are not that impressive in metric system 😂😂😂👎👎👎🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
@@sandman3246the reticle shown in the video shows he is holding dead center.
The reason he is holding dead center is because he adjusted his turrets to that distance, and didn’t perform a hold over shot. Thats why he held dead center. I shoot game at distance too and that’s the only way to do it. I wouldn’t have taken this 1,000 yard shot though. I would have closed the gap to at least 750.
@@RepublicofTX 1yr later ⏰
1023 or 650 whatever you to go with
What was the 2nd kill shot distance because thats the official distance...not the 1023 yard shot!
6.9 lbs with the suppressor??
This doesn’t seem much like hunting to me. Certainly not my style.
The precision it take I think it’s well deserved to be called “hunting”
Define “hunting”.
What is hunting then, walking up to it and putting it in a choke hold?
Brag about your rifle’s long range capabilities on steel. Do not be unethical hunters.
What rifle is it ?
Shooting an animal past 500 yards seems more like target practice on live game and not really hunting and those that can’t stalk in closer range just don’t have the skills, good shot but 1000 yards just seems really unethical to shoot an animal at when not knowing what might happen down range
Can we see what happened to the bullet?
Piss poor first shot. Mid body and bottom of belly. Not a great advertisement guys, you bring bad publicity. I do long range myself, so I'm not knocking the sport.
All in the name of marketing a new cartridge.
The ballistics look really good on the 7 PRC. No?
Not even hunting. Pathetic.
I can shoot 1200 yds. I would never dream of shooting anything past 400 yds because it's not ethical. All gun. No hunt. Pathetic and everything that is wrong with hunting in 2022
So did the first shot kill it?
Nope, needed a follow up shot.
I am guessing a 7prc at 1023yards is like shooting a 7/08 at 5 or 600. How many times have you heard a 7/08 is not enough for elk.
What type of energy is left at this range?
Not enough . This was really dumb
Not the 1500fpe rule of thumb for elk
First you call this a spot and stalk hunt.
Then you shoot at an animal at 1023 yards from just outside your car.
You really showed us all your great stalking and hunting skills.
This has nothing to do with hunting at all.
This is only target shooting at long distances at live animals, to brag about your shooting skills and to sell a gun.
You could have done that by shooting on a steel plate instead of making an animal suffer.
This was not an enemy you were sniping at either, were shots like this and longer, is totally acceptable and often wanted.
If you misjudge the wind, calculate the shot wrongly or don't make a perfect shot at a steel plate or an enemy, it doesn't matter that much.
If that happens when you shoot at an animal and you make it suffer, it matters very much.
Anyone trying to talk about skill level, knowing your limits, knowing about long range shooting or even extreme long range shooting, they can just save their time and not write about it.
Any ethical hunter that is a very experienced long range shooter/sniper, would never shoot at an unwounded animal at that distance as he/she very well knows the high risks of wounding that animal and making it suffer.
If you really wanted to hunt and stalk, you could have easily stalked much closer to that elk and made an ethical first shot kill.
You are no hunter at all.
This is nothing but disgusting.
Shooting at an elk at this distance, filming it and then putting it on YT tells me all about you as persons and it is for sure not pretty.
Muskalera?
Nice 👍 👍 👍 👍
You used the same song that Matt’s off road recovery uses
Love when hunters treat elk like a PRS match...maybe try stalking with a lever action 308.. that is hunting. Nice rifle. But 1000 yards too much can go wrong and you won't recover that Animal.
7 PRC is NOT a 1000 yd Elk cartridge. Look up the energy at 1000. This type of "hunting" hurts the entire sport. Show us where the shot really hits??? Way too many variables at play at that range, and I say that as a long range shooter. Yes practice on steel at 1000, but our game animals deserve respect. Practical range for most shooters is 4-500 tops.
Scope Manufacturer?
So, you are now shooting at the fives, 'cus there ain't any sixes? 'Cus ya'll shot out all the sixes. What next? the fours for the fives? and then the does?
What's your strategy, exactly? I like 7mm - nice and flat and good. But how do you manage the game? The animals?
If you shoot at any animal at 1000 yards that isn't already wounded you are not an ethical person. Even if you can hit a dime at twice that distance. To much can go wrong and the animals don't deserve to suffer so you can stroke your ego. I have found to many lost animals. There are so many factors you have no control over. I am impressed by those who can hit steel at extreme range (I 'm not to bad myself) but if you have any respect for the animals you hunt stop it!!!
Short or long action?
7mm prc won’t fit a SA
Great hit brother!👍👍
How’s the Leica amplus 6?
It's a great scope for the money.
@@johnmogle5393 love mine, glass clarity and sharpness is ridiculous but I have nothing to compare it to.
I see no reason to take that long of a shot on an animal. If you can’t work to cut that distance in half then in my opinion you’re not a hunter, you’re more of a shooter.
If you don’t mind me asking, what barrel length is the rifle and scope brand/power?. Been looking to get a suppressor too
22” barrel. Dead Air Nomad Ti
Thank you
I believe the 7mm is a great suppressor host, you can use a lighter profile barrel with 1/2 ×28 threads, step it up to 5/8×24 with an adapter. And avoid the the weight of a .660+ barrel and still have a very capable, quite rifle that doesn't weigh 10lbs.
All the while having enough meat from the bottom of your threads to grooves to be safe. (Vs. 30 cal bore)
7mm wm with an ultra 9 has proven to be an awesome combo.
I used to use Hornady bullets exclusively, but how they marketed the eldx bullet (in reality, its a slightly tougher version of the sst, the jacket separated from the core 100% on every animal i shot) and the fact they charge for load data info,made me switch to nosler. (Free load data, and better preforming bullets on game) a choice I haven't regretted.
Lr shooting on game is dumb. I will now step off my soap box.
@@johnmogle5393 Is that factory loads or hand loaded to 2935fps? Just curious what velocity to expect as I’m ordering a new carbon rival
@@mc-nm6ml factory ammo. 175 ELDX Hornady
Perfect example of why you should not take those kinds of long range shots. You hit the animal then walked around for who knows how long before taking a second shot to finish the job. That is the definition of an unethical shot. Do not do that, folks. Shameful.
sweet video!! Cant wait to order my CT Rival!!!
There's no way that first bullet had a full pass thru that's what I'm saying
Here’s my deal with Hornady rounds out of my 7mm rem mag, they never drop animals… I’m always having to track blood for another 50-100yards. I decided to switch over to Federal Berger rounds, shot my first buck of the season last weekend (my largest Florida buck ever) , I swear to god it dropped him right in his track at 550 yards. In my opinion, hornady is so worked up with just creating new rounds for no reason and focusing so much on how far their rounds can go….
I should also add that yes, If you have the right round it’ll drop bull at 1,000 yards. I’ve seen it countless of times. I don’t like that he had to mention you’ll need a follow up shot with this yardage, especially out of a 7mm..
Berger’s 185 in my 300 wsm is what I use. Short or long range my longest about 325 Berger’s great bullets
Also federal brass is thin and holds more powder but it’s hot to me they pump the velocities up there I find just plain factory stuff Norma good stuff great brass and that oryx bullets great I’ve been handloading for 30 plus years so everything I do my own Barnes w 120 in my 7 mm o8 works like a champ out to 250
Hornady bullets are junk!
Hornaday bullets r great I moose hunt and never had to track a animal I made a soild shot on usually they drop within 10 feet of impact the three best brands r hornady nosler and Barnes infact I'd say Barnes bullets has the best groupings and best quality control
Real hunters dont shoot that far on game. Any time bullet flight time passes 1/2 second you risk wounding
Just because you cant make that shot does not mean he cant. Most people shooting these shots just dont pick the gun up and take a pop. They practice n practice just like us lr shooters.
@@long-range-eliminator I feel that Peter’s comment wasn’t about shooter’s abilities (he’s clearly capable), but the fact that at that distance, an animal can move a fair bit in the 1-2 seconds between when the trigger is pulled and when the bullet gets there.
If you know you can do it send it it’s pretty clear when an any big game animal is about to move like danny said it takes practice and practice to make these kinds of shots
@@christopherknutson3296 just because you does not make it correct. This practice is unethical
@@long-range-eliminator its unethical even if you can do something does not make it correct.
Keep your 1000 at the range and hunt. Encouraging this type of hunting is not good. Impressive but need to not cool.
Awesome video and awesome bull. Oh yea! Nice shot as well. Mescalero Apache
When did hunters become so gear obsessed? I shooot several 7mm rifles, but would NEVER try a shot like that while hunting. I am a hunter... not a sniper. I am disgusted.
It took 2 shots to put down the elk? How many elk did y’all have to shoot at to get that video. Next time y’all just Hail Mary shots from the road take a cheytac or 300 Norma. Not sure what this video proved other then not to buy or recommend fierce firearms.
What a rifle I'm have to get me one and amazing shot
You can get one now… 7mm rem mag…
Not the same
@@bryanmartinez5152 this guy is a jerk never shoot that far
@@Peter-od7op leave me out of it
@@Peter-od7op never shoot a deer past 30 yards with a bow then jerk
i would have made that shot as well , John shoots guns a lot more than the average person , and I shoot all year long just for hunting . so please stop with the ethical bs
when the avrage bow hunter cant ethically shoot a bow at 40 yards
If your a hunter you should be able to sneak up on them! It’s unethical to shoot at something that far away
shutup fudd
Someone doesn’t know how to spell
The 7 PRC does not have enough energy to ethically kill an elk at that distance. No company or person should ever attempt to shoot or in this case test their rifle and round on an animal at that distance. I can’t believe they put this out for the public to see. It sends the wrong message about hunting in attempt to advertise a product with no regard to hunting ethics.
What a nice hunt
I've been itching to buy one, but when I can't get ammo, the rifle is useless
I didn’t know we were allowed to hunt native land it’s the same as private
Atleast that’s how it is in Idaho Native land is private land and unless your native you best stay the fuck off it
The tribal lands are sovereign nations. They have their own game and fish departments. Just buy your tag the way they want and hunt away.
You can't get closer than a thousand yards you must be the worse hunter in America
Try hunting elk some time, especially bulls. They know when season starts and do everything in their power to avoid humans. Their sense of smell is vastly superior to what you could even imagine.
@@LRRPFco52What are you talking about? You ride loud motorcycles, trucks, target practice..... 1000..... Do you live where elk naturally live? I do ,200 to 300 yards all day every day.
Great shot, but that is not hunting. That is shooting. Hunting is to get close before shooting it.
By your definitions maybe.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 Drive up and shoot an elk at 1K isn't hunting. I shoot targets at 1k, I wouldn't shoot an animal that far away.
@@craigsanders6925 It’s not hunting according to your definition of hunting, but you don’t set the definition for everyone 🤷♂️
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 I'm guessing you like high fence no effort hunts. Pay your money and shoot something. Might as well just go buy a goat and shoot it in the backyard.
@@craigsanders6925 Nope 👍
what on earth are you sighted in for? 11.5 clicks up and shooting 1023 yards.....
11.25 MOA - 45 clicks
What’s the point of the Camo? Lol😂
No point in paying 7mm PRC prices when 7 mag does the same job for much less. Before anybody starts randomly arguing with my point, ballistics, etc, look up the video of the Gunwerks 7 mag stoning a huge bulk at 1200 yards.
That's a hell of a shot! Nice job good bull!
Yay, we're target shooting at 1000 yards. This is not hunting, this was just testing on wildlife. A real hunter would have stalked that elk.
300prc would have sealed the deal in one shot at 1000 yards.
Not with a low, mid body belly shot
HELL YEAH !!!!!!!
Yeah when you gut shoot them with any cartridge at any range, they take many hours to die. Not a cartridge failure, operator error.
That’s not hunting, it’s purely an ego trip.
@@nmelkhunter1 with these guys, yes. You're right. Not for everyone who takes game at long range though. There's lots of us who do it right. These clowns give us a bad rep
Eldm would be a far better choice at that distance.
Wounding from the road like that just isn’t impressive. It sure didn’t prove anything about the cartridge. I’m not sure if this is a tribal guide thing or what. But it comes across lazy and disrespectful to hunting big game. The shot looked low and that animal suffered big time. No urgency from the shooter in putting that bull down cleanly after that first shot. Definitely no fair chase involved. Plus you guys drive up the hill to winch the bull into the bed of a truck. The hard work that goes into a real big game hunt makes people respect the animals more than the type of thing we just watched in this video. I know others will disagree. That’s fine. But I’d expect adverse feedback on public forums. Everyone has equal right to post what they think.
A pass through with the eldx? Cmon. That eldx bullet sucks.
Any fast twist 7MM MAG. rifle chambered for any 7MM Mag. cartridge could make that shot but, is shooting elk at that range ethical?
Bet that ELD X didn’t do the work it should have. I’ll never shoot them again after a few failures at much closer range than this! Berger has never let me down.
They will when you hit bone
@@Paul-q3m7k not always. Watched a bear get his in the shoulder at around 300yds last year and it didn’t do anything but blow up.
1000 yards on elk is UNETHICAL AF....