We had an €€€ system in a physics contest: mass unit that is a mass of €1 coin, distance unit that you can travel in a taxi for €1, and time unit that you have to work to get paid €1, on average. A force was then was just a number: €×€/€²
If you call these all equivalent, then you're essentially setting two quantities equal to unity: - The rate at which the mass of physical money you obtain by working (in €1 coins) accumulates - The fastest speed a taxi could drive you if you were working while in the taxi and directly wiring your pay to them, assuming they were only willing to drive you as they were being paid
I love how completely impossible it is to actually conceptualize the combinations of units used to create basic quantities, to the point where instead of thinking, "Oh thank God, I understand distance" you're thinking "WHAT DO YOU MEAN MIDDLE C CALORIES"
Like how fuel economy can be thought of as a 'straw' of fuel laid out in-front of the car, where the fuel economy is the radius of that straw that indicates the rate of fuel burned as the vehicle moves through that distance to balance out it's use with 'scooping' the straw. Yeah good luck creating anything intuitive like that in this system.
@@toxicbubble5 it's actually pretty easy. Say we're determining the power of a light bulb. We can visualize this by thinking of it as how frequently energy is released by the bulb. for example, a 0.1 C4Cal (~100 W) bulb releases 0.1 calories across one C4. Im not a physicist and this is a joke, im 90% certain my analogy doesn't work
i am so incredibly confused is there actually just a single joke here that you could explain to me or is the whole video a joke lmao im so curious but im the kind of autistic that makes it impossible for me to understand it lmao
@@daisukideshou I guess the whole idea is funny because the units are totally absurd but the system still works anyway. But adding onto that the idea of defining length, which is a very simple idea and usually given as one of the fundamental units, in such a convoluted way as velocity/frequency is what made that part particularly funny to me.
@@daisukideshou I think the whole CCC system is the joke. Rather than there being any specific punchline, it's meant to sound funny at first and then slowly get funnier as you work out the consequences of choosing these very awkward base units. Since humour relies on contrast, it might actually only be funny to people who are already pretty familiar with the various units in physics. Along with the absurdity of the derived units there can be kind of a neat realization that if you really think about some of them, they make a certain kind of sense. "the speed of light per middle C" makes sense as "the amount of distance light travels during the time it takes a vibrating piano string tuned to middle C to complete one full cycle", which is actually a huge distance. Typical of science jokes that they are still trying to teach you something...
@@RunstarHomerfunnily enough the meter is kinda defined as velocity over frequency. Since it's defined using the speed of light and the second, which is defined through the unperturbed ground-state hyperfine transition frequency of the caesium 133 atom. So the definition of the meter is actually the speed of light / frequency of a caesium 133 atom. However both the definition of the second and the definition of the meter do use conversion factors. Those definitions are way newer than the original definitions so a conversion factor is applied to bring them as close as possible to the older definition. These new definitions are just that way because they are extremely accurately measurable and constant (the old definition was a physical bar that was 1 meter, which is a problematic definition since if the object changes, the whole system of units changes. The same was true for the kilogram.)
In one of the surveys about software developer economics, they chose a theme of pirates. Thus was born a map with references to programming languages like "Sea Sharp", "Objective Sea", and "Sea Plus Plus". Also the favourite cry of those pirates was the name of their favourite programming language ("R").
You got me completely off guard with the last C. Put me in a false sense of security by saying it was pretty much arbitrary, then hit me with that Roman Numeral. I'm dying.
This reminds me of when I was in Nuclear Power School and using the FFF system on assignments that they didn't give units for because we weren't allowed to have naked numbers. I wish I had known about the seven C's back then, the guys grading it would have hated me more lol
great sense of comedic timing. it's all in the ''way'' you '''tell it,''' after all. still can’t believe the name Conlang Critic was alliteration just for the sake of this joke. 10/10 Cs all around. C% certified jokester.
Casually saying "I don't know how to end this video" and then spending the last few seconds without speaking was comedy gold (along with the rest of the C system, particularly the use of both a serif Roman numeral C and a sans-serif C)
I think the roman numeral was an appropriate choice, it is a common representative of a multiple and it is written as a c so it's pretty much perfect for the job
It's a mess but you could use the definition of a mole #C12 atoms / 12grams But instead have it #C12 / 12(cal/C^2) Which would give you this constant 2+(18053841153159118/22468879468420441) * 10^10
Showed this to my depressed retired engineer mother and she found it so funny (after years of her mocking me for finding dumb internet videos cool), we got em boys.
As a programmer that thinks about things as "operations per second" and clock speed in "hertz", and also an amateur musician, this caused me to realize that I can express the clock speed of my CPU or RAM in terms of an octave and note. Case in point, my RAM runs in the key of E. (E27)
SI Units: We base our measurements on water and the decimal system. American/Imperial: We base our measurements on brine and the proportions of the human body. Seven Cs: :)
@@topilinkala1594 I'm not saying SI is perfect, I agree that its units and subunits are often impractical. American Customary/Imperial is often better and more intuitive at human scale. I just wanted to make a funny comment about Seven Cs.
5:35 couldn't the calorie be more accurately and elegantly defined in the CCC system as the amount of energy carried by a photon of frequency of 2.4135454 x 10^31 middle Cs?
@Guilherme Varga Not entirely - my friends who are techie enough to understand this mostly speak English - but I did message them in Russian about that, and we've discussed it in Russian afterwards.
I heard 'the 7 Cs' at 10:16. I thought alright, i think i see where this is going. i heard siemens (seamen) at 11:22. I became more sure this was gonna end with a joke about water or sailing or something. at 11:58 i heard 'i dont know how to end this video.' I am still laughing. well played sir. if the nautical references were intentional, the fake out was absolute gold.
Let's just add coulomb (Columbus)... I don't know. Maybe it's funny for me, beca in Russian "Christopher Columbus" is pronounced like Христофор Колумб [Columb]...
Listening to it another time makes me think of the "A sailor wen to sea sea sea to see what he could see see see" nursery rhyme, but even the first time I totally took this as exactly that when I heard seven Cs too
This reminds me of when I was stacking firewood with a friend and he tipped over one of the stacks. Now he's a not the smartest guy, but certainly the kindest man in any room, not a malicious bone in him; so it felt wrong to yell. I poured all my frustration into stacking the crap out that firewood and he followed suit, after 10 minutes it was all stacked up. That was 1m^3 of firewood (600kg), 2 meters over 10 minutes... Our collective anger was an estimated 20 watts! (assuming my math is kosher)
I feel like if we're going to have a "cd" measurement as one of our base units, then the measurement of time should be the length of Beethoven's ninth.
The font joke was the funniest to me. Everyone knows the pain of distinguishing this capital letter from the lowercase letter from the italicized variants from the Greek variants from symbols in Cyrillic that look exactly like them from which one had a little one or two next to it...
My favorite fun fact about dimensional analysis is that the spring constant of an object is dimensionally equivalent to the rate at which the rate at which an object's mass is changing is changing. And while the spring constant can be very useful, the rate at which the rate at which an object's mass is changing is changing is, in most cases, not.
Physicist here, this isn’t what I subscribed for. But I love it. I’ve also messed about with alternative systems of units, though in my case it was with pseudo-Planck units where the permittivity and permeability of free space are set to 1, and 4π/G was also set to 1 if I recall correctly, in order to mirror the equation for Coulomb force. Might make the electric charge e/3 too, because of quarks I guess. Also, unless I missed one of your flashes of text on the screen, I think you missed the two types of calorie. The so-called “food calorie” is equal to one kilocalorie, and the fact that we call it a calorie is probably pretty confusing for culinary chemists, or molecular gastronomists, or whatever. I might also argue that using a unit of temperature that isn’t 0 at absolute 0 makes it less than coherent. Nice rambling about the two pounds though. Here’s an interesting thought, is there a situation where the powers of the speed of light cancel out with the minuscule size of 100 atoms to make a remotely human-sized unit? Also real-talk, the candela shouldn’t be an SI unit if the equivalent response curve for hearing isn’t wrapped up with an SI unit either. And temperature is just energy with a scale factor of Boltzmann’s constant. And it shouldn’t be the ampere, but the coulomb since the other three SI definition units we care about are all single-dimensional. The ampere is just left behind from the old definition of 1N of force from wires being x distance apart with y current through them.
(Using Cal = 4184 J = 1 kcal, for reasons stated above) 1 Cal/c^2 = 47 pg 1 C = 166 ymol 1 Cal/(C c^2) = 280 million kg/mol, the Seven C's unit of molar mass, of which nitrogen is around 0.00000005 …Well, that's _closer…_
Hello, another physicist here. I similarly have spent too much time researching systems of measurements, and while I agree with your criticisms of the metric system, there's more to it. Technically, no base unit is more "real" than either. While it's true, that temperature is just energy times a constant, and the two are fundamentally the same, length and time in general relatively are exactly the same. There is no "real" difference between the two other than a constant, the speed of light. Same thing with mass and energy. So if you want to be pedantic, there really is only length-time, mass-energy, and charge. Oh and by the way, 1 e IS the fundamental charge. Quarks only have a fractional charge in theory, color confinement and QED prevent there ever being a non-integer multiple of the electric charge occuring in nature, so there is no reason to rescale it times 3.
I, too, am a phycisit (even though I switched to neuroscience after my bachelor's degree). I already made a separate comment about this, but I think you might also enjoy this thing I made a year ago: github.com/SurrealPartisan/Better-Unit-System
There should only be two base units: The second, s, and the electric charge, e. Lengths and time intervals should be measured in seconds. Mass, energy, frequency, momentum, acceleration and temperature should be measured in units of the reciprocal of the second, s⁻¹ Pressure and density should be measured in units of s⁻⁴ Speed, entropy and angular momentum should be dimensionless.
Idk how the stuff works over where you are in terms of the education path but I study physics 2nd semester in Europe and I was compelled to come up with my own system, not angered.
Using the roman numeral for one hundred was the cherry on top. I don't really see the "joke" here, though. It's a rather competent measurement system, as far as I can see it.
Pretty sure it's the absurd impractically of the whole thing for actually measuring anything except power. That and the fact that the speed of light, a musical note, and a less than optimal unit of energy (rather than length, mass, and time) are rather strange starting points. The fact that it works (for given values thereof) is probably part of the joke too.
Most physicists probably think: "where is the joke? This system is equally arbitrary as all the other ones." (Perhaps excluding 'natural units', but the CCC-system already inludes c as well).
Great video! Reminded me of a joke I've heard when I was younger about Shawarma being the universal unit. One unit of length is the length of one shawarma, one unit of mass is the mass of one shawarma, and one unit of time is how long it takes to eat one shawarma. You can "extend" it further to have the nutritional value of one shawarma as the energy unit and the volume of one shawarma for the volume, but this makes the system not coherent 🌯
I'd probably focus on the length and nutritional energy, and then probably standardize the time it takes to eat it for a coherent system of length, energy, and time units. Not sure what to do for the other 4 base units.
@@angeldude101I will assume: Energy = 550 kcal = 2.3 MJ Length = 20 cm Mass = 250 g Energy divided by mass is velocity squared. So the velocity is 3033 m/s = 10922 km/h. The respective time is then 66 microseconds. The force is energy divided by length and this is 11.5 MN, the weight of 1172 tons. The power of a Shwarma is 34.9 GW, which is the average electricity consumption of Mexico.
7:19 "If you want to get more into the music theory stuff of it, there's some good videos from 12Tone and Adam Neely that someone watching this video who's interested in the music theory of different tuning systems has almost certainly already seen" You bet I have
a cent is a unit of frequency interval (which is just a number, really) equal to 1/100th of a semitone (as defined in 12 tone equal temperament), or the 1200th root of 2
@@SunroseStudios and now, that would be the 12th root of C/50 instead, or, better yet, maybe using the 1200th root of 2 would be a better replacement for moles than 100
I was repeatedly taught, as a child in Canada, that pounds were _only_ a unit of force (weight, but not mass) ... but then just about the only thing pounds are used for in Canada is bathroom scales and human body weight. Imperial units are never so simple, of course. Also, the calorie: not to be confused with the kilocalorie, also known as the Calorie. Because why not?
4:00 I was gonna say "pounds per pound" is a great silly name of acceleration unit and then jan Misali completely pre-empted me. And he's totally right: Civil engineers regularly use Earth's gravity as a standard unit of acceleration, with the symbol g (= 10m/s2, approximately).
@@Xnoob545 I believe it's actually more like 9.806 ms^(-2) off the top of my head, the only difference between your figure and their figure is the degree of rounding. besides, if you don't even understand the units they're using, how do you know that "m/s2" isn't their arbitrary unit of acceleration defined as exactly equal to 1/10 of the acceleration due to gravity on the surface of the Earth?
@@axelnils I mean yea, 9.806 is an average, but it changes based on like the thickness of the earth's crust, height above sea level distance from the equator, plus the fact that the earth isn't actually a perfect spheroid. any figure you could have is inherently an approximation.
You can scale the units logarithmically using (musical pitch) C in different octaves. Just like we have the SI prefixes (kilo-, mega-, giga- etc.) you can use C3, C4, C5, C6 as necessary. So if the base unit for length is c/C4, then c/C5 would be half as long, c/C6 half as long again. Using c/C4 = 1146 km, then c/C24 (twenty octaves above middle C) is ~1.09 m.
The reason "avoirdupois" is pronounced like that is because it comes from Old French where was pronounced "aver" instead of "avwar", and "pois" like "poiz" and not "pwa" like the modern word
@@owowowdhxbxgakwlcybwxsimcwx You could say that :) Hearing reconstructions of what it originally sounded like sounds more like an English speaker trying to read French with no French knowledge than actual modern French
@@elliotagnew9960 In all honesty you can say that old English sounds nothing like modern English either...because modern English just sounds like old French.
@@natchu96 Fair point. Although I do think it's closer than Old French is to Modern French. It's just really weird how Old French sounds. Actually, I wonder if Old French (more likely middle French) influenced the way that English was pronounced during the period they were both spoken in England. That's an interesting thought.
In Quebec we still pronounce avoir like in Old French. If you know SPanish pronounciation, we would say avoirdupois as "avoer dupua" (we don't pronounce the S in pois)
Oh my god, how have I not understood it earlier... I finally figured out who you reminded me of.... Randall Munroe. Same tendency to go down rabbit holes, same kind of VERY diverse and unrelated interests, kinda similar sense of humor. I've been loving these videos so much. *Keep up the fantastic work!*
I always loved the idea of making absurdly impractical units, like lightyears per picosecond as a measure of speed, and this video fully explores and fleshes out a full system based upon that. Love it ^w^
It's not so hard to remember all that stuff if you visualise Coulomb as a bucket of electrons. So, Ampere as coulomb per second, moving the buckets of electrons at that speed through your wire. Volt, Joule/Coulomb - how hard is it to push these buckets, or how high they hang and how much of a bang they'll cause falling. Farad, put half a bucket of electrons on one side of a capacitor, half a bucket of protons on the other so you have a bucket worth of charged particles.
@@sharpfang clever lol. I just memorised it and all the equations that come with electricity (the links between the formulas help) and I had to anyway.
@@sharpfang Could you perhaps provide a more in-depth explanation that is more representative of what is actually happening? *I'm asking because I don't because y'know analogies are only useful up to a certain point and I have a physics test likeeeee next week.
@@polygontower What is happening is that same charges repel each other and opposite attract each other. Electrons are light, zippy and negatively charged. Atoms that miss an electron (have more protons than electrons) are positively charged and bound to neighboring atoms, stationary. So, electrons push each other around in metal, from higher density to lower (higher defficit) - and we measure different aspects of that effect. Coulomb is a unit of a certain amount of charge, surplus of electrons over atoms missing electrons. Ampere is how fast that charge moves in wire. Volt is "pressure", how concentrated that charge is, and so how hard it "pushes". And Farad is "room to store charge", a capacitor of 1 farad has room to store half a coulomb of electrons on one side, half a coulomb of atoms missing electron on the other, meaning 1 coulomb of charge.
You can actually make a unit of force based on the weight (gravitational force) of a piece of fig newton on the surface of the earth. Just take the mass of a fig newton and multiply it by acceleration due to gravity.
It's more than just "the seven Cs", it's also the sheer absurdity of jan misali taking the time to do all of this. The ever building jenga tower of wonky units that is somehow still structurally sound. That is the joke.
Well, I've toyed once or twice with a system that measures speed based on the "lux," such that 1 lux would equal the speed of light, rendered useful for everyday purposes only with the addition of metric prefixes. 1 millilux, for instance, would be about 300 m/s, while 0.3 m/s would be a microlux. If you wanted to recalibrate it so that the base unit was more reasonably sized for everyday purposes, you could use the "lucicle" (an Anglicization of Latin "lūcicula," a diminutive of "lūx"), which would equal about 300 m/s (or 1 millilux in the "lux" system). The speed of light itself would then be 1 kilolucicle. Rather roundabout, of course, but still fun to play around with. I've also toyed around with appending metric prefixes to common units of time, such that the dinosaurs went extinct "65 kilomillennia" ago. But your joke here puts all my tinkerings to shame!
Fun fact, when I took Modern Physics in college, I discovered that it can actually be very useful to know the speed of light squared in megaelectron-volts per atomic mass unit (it's ~931.5 MeV/u).
@@mimikal7548 False. It was derived from the value of a pound of sterling silver as that was how the coins were minted. Hence Pounds Sterling. One pound of silver was then divided into 240 equal sized pieces which were then formed into one pence coins. 12 pence then made a shilling, and 20 shillings a pound.
@@thewanderingmistnull2451 Then English tried to hide the mugging by changing the spelling and changing the pronunciation. As linguists say: English language grew by unashamedly mugging German, French, and Spanish.
@@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn so I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest it absolutely should be pronounced the way he says it isn't, even if it's not how people (Americans, obviously, who else is there really?) say it
The calorie per speed of light squared is the most ridiculous sounding unit I’ve ever heard in my life and the fact that it measures mass is infinitely funnier
Thanks. Long-time watcher of Conlang Critic. Loving the new, diversified content so far. Watching a good analysis can be very satisfying, and this kind of "soft math" approach is incredibly accessible and engaging to nerds of many varieties. Appreciate the time and effort spent developing this. Most intrigued by the alternative basic units. Interesting implications for a conlang. What kind of alien viewpoint does it take to approach frequency as something more basic to measure than time? What does that do to the vocabulary? Tense and aspect?
Wdym soft math? This is a) Physics b) not soft at all but perfectly rigorous c) very representative of how shitty notation can get if left unchecked (and even if checked sometimes)
At the bare minimum, I think we're looking at a viewpoint wherein the pitch of communication is vital to the information conveyed, yet time is almost irrelevant. Interestingly, this squares well with a group who considers the *speed of light* a useful way to measure speed. Sapient stars or even galaxies communicating across vast timescales and distances, perhaps communicating through radio waves, as that's where Middle C lies when turned from sound to light. Conveniently, middle C can be transposed upwards into higher and higher Cs, so "C" notes in general could be a way to transmit information up and down the light spectrum. Unfortunately, this falls apart a bit when we get to energy, since a galactic mind could not give less of a flare about a unit that even humans scale up by a thousand to measure food-energy. Still, it's a fun thing to think about!
@@joda7697 Scare quotes because I was using an inexact term. It's perfectly rigorous (otherwise, I wouldn't even call it math, lol), but it only relies on concepts I would reasonably expect, say, a first-day college freshman to be very familiar with. (I might be over- or under-estimating the education level. Been a few weeks since I watched the vid.)
@@hundvd_7 Too subtle. Like, the jokes are already subtle - that one is too subtle.. The usage of going "too deep into" a topic is a commonly used definition. Doesn't count as a joke.
You cant measure coulombs directly though. Every electrician and even people that dabble in elektricity have a multimeter that can measure voltage and amperes (and ohms and often farads). I am not aware of any device that is used to measure charge. I guess you could have a resistor with a voltmeter across and a microcontroller that can calculate the charge on a capacitor based on the rate of discharge...
@@wybo2 just measure force between two charges. I guess having a unit charge like how we have a unit kg is hard.(cause kg doesn't disappear and leak to the surroundings) If we had unit charge then we could just measure the force. Like people go with 0.001 columbs of charge and measure force
British: It’s about 80 kilometres from here. American: It’s about 50 miles from here. jan Misali: It’s about dozen two and eight nif foursy unexianths times the speed of light over middle C from here.
Reviewing it as a conlang, the alphabet is pretty limited, and the sound system only has one frequency which requires perfect pitch to pronounce. This system of units does not pass muster as an effective global auxiliary language.
I’m an America Person, and I could not stop laughing when you explained how to actually pronounce ‘avoirdupois’. I’ve been pronouncing it the way you said you had been before finding out the actual pronunciation, and the actual pronunciation is hilarious! Like, what the hell, America! You murdered that word, it’s dead! 😂
@jan Misali I'm... actually going to be making this the standard system of measurement in my language (which, coincidentally, your Dovahzul video inspired me to make). It legitimately solves a problem I was having, namely how to handle frequency being a natural unit of measurement in the laws of physics where it's spoken but time very much not being a natural unit. Until now it just never occurred to me to reframe all measurements using it as a base unit. Though, my system isn't based on orders of magnitude but rather the natural logarithm. Light is also super important culturally speaking, making the speed of light a very natural unit as well. Again, making time a derived property solves a legitimate problem I was having with making that work. The other five Cs will merely serve to complete the joke/reference, even though I could come up with more natural units for them as well. The one change is that Roman numeral C (and the Celcius range) needs to be 101 rather than 100 because the entire numeral system is based on primes (yes, seximal is the ideal fixed radix, but a mixed radix is much friendlier with my syntax).
@@clockworkkirlia7475 It's a language for the Magna-Ge (Star Orphans) of The Elder Scrolls' series. Jan Misali didn't go into the lore at all in his Dovahzul video, but it's pretty wild, and my inspiration was the realization that none of the conlanging in the series did a very good job of working with the lore. Mortal languages work normally, but only because linear time and normal causality are being created by a god; for other gods like the Magna-Ge, well, time exists after a fashion, but not anything like we'd recognize it. Now, considering how mind-bending and insane the result of my trying to take non-Mundrial physics seriously is, I don't per se begrudge the conlanging in the series taking a few shortcuts (I've been working for over 2 years and barely have enough understanding of the broad strokes to actually start making vocabulary), though their actual work is still inexcusable lazy (ie nothing but English relexes). I won't go into all the Dawn physics in the lore (if you're interested the uesp wiki is plenty comprehensive, but be aware it's a very deep rabbit hole, far deeper than the average Skyrim player will ever realize). In short, imagine time flowing both forward and backward. I can however say that some necessary linguistic implications of those physics include: No concatenative morphology or word order whatsoever. All arithmetic needs to be commutative. In the lore another language, Ehlnofex, is written by mortals in ALLCAPS as a reminder that since the first letter of a sentence is captialized (another example of English relexing) every letter in Ehlnofex comes first and therefore needs to be capitalized. I have an absurdly massive phonology of well over 10000 items just to deal with this. No words for directions, because in infinite-dimensional space that would require an infinite lexicon. I have locatives (near/at/in/toward but not on/behind/etc) to help bridge the gap. The writing system also needs to work equally well in any number of dimensions. All computation takes O0 time, meaning grammar that requires anything short of literally infinite processing time (ie anything that Halts, meaning they have a sort of Oracle) to learn or parse is actually usable and equal levels of inconvenient. No tense nor aspect. Mood is fine, and I even have a mood that's impossible in our physics, but the closest you can get to the TA part of TAM is realis/irrealis. No dynamic verbs. Stative verbs are fine, but conventional time over which things can change doesn't exist.
@@watcher314159 Ohohohhhh that sounds absolutely *brilliant.* I'm the sort of person who deep-dives into expanded universe Doctor Who and Faction Paradox cosmology so this is riiiight up my alley. That bit about locatives and directions is really interesting; presumably, in a world where time is meaningless, direction itself is rendered itself both infinite and useless by the trivial nature of facing an infinite number of directions "at once" (though obviously "at once" is just a temporal approximation on my part). The commutative arithmetic part is just immensely satisfying to me; directionless language is always a fun idea. That said, it sounds like you've given yourself a task that is Herculean, Sisyphean, and possibly downright Icarian in its difficulty. Really, I think they'd run out of Greek myths before anyone could describe the challenge you've set yourself. Which is to say, really, good luck! I'm honestly fascinated by the progress you've already made. Also, what the heck kind of mood couldn't exist in our physics? I understand that it might be difficult to explain but I'm usually exactly sleep-deprived enough to have an intuitive grasp of things that cannot be. :P
@@clockworkkirlia7475 If you're into that kind of deep dive, then I definitely recommend TES as a series for some of the dankest lore in the business. There's literally enough going on in the metaphysics that I know of multiple people in the lore community doing PhD level theses on it. The directions thing is actually mostly unrelated to the time thing, because space and time are the creations of two different gods. Of course, those gods are mirror-brothers who share the same blood thanks to a monkey and his cult dancing on a city/wheel/tower/universe for 1008 unyears, making space and time inextricably linked, but all of that is below the level of my language. Direction can still be used in a simple and practical manner by... pointing/gesturing. The spatiotemporal reality does, yes, make that process slightly more complicated than normal since all change over time is instead a matter of retconning into existence, but you really can pretty much just point and say "that direction" and it works. There's also rich mathematical syntax for describing matrices and the like that can be used for describing directions in an abstract sense. But most of the time naming landmarks and using proximal locatives is the most practical purely linguistic thing (eg in writing where gestures just don't work) to do. Yes, my task is Herculean and Sisiphean and, especially at first, was so mind-bending as to border on Icarian. But the point from the start was mostly to prove that a usable language could be created in those physics, since I knew going it it would be literally impossible for any human to actually learn. The phonology keeps ballooning in complexity (well over 10,000 phonemes and an unbounded number of tonemes at this point (which is in fact human-pronouncable and which I can almost do), up from an initial estimate of a bit over 1800 phonemes) and I'm still kind of at a loss for how to handle a lot of the conceptual metaphors that play into the whole semantics system, but I'm determined to eventually create a sufficiently complete description that even if the more complex syntax literally can't be parsed someone can still basically understand what's going on. As for the non-existent mood, I have a realis imperative. Imperatives are necessarily irrealis IRL since they are orders to make currently non-real states of reality real. But with the power of retcons and a magic system based on Concept Tones, imperatives in my language are necessarily realis (assuming the order is actually carried out, which, because magic, they are). This "Logiative" mood is therefore what all spells are cast in by default. Here's a link to the currently most complete description of my language for general audiences (ie it's much more coherent than my personal notes) if you're interested: www.reddit.com/r/conlangscirclejerk/comments/fphjdi/this_is_the_first_letter_in_my_conlang_i_am_gonna/flq9vnh/?context=8&depth=9 Naturally any feedback is to be greatly appreciated.
@@watcher314159 @Tor Diryc'Goyust Ah, sorry it took so long to get back to you! That's absolutely fascinating, though the monkey cult mirror brother thing was a bit of a tone shift. :D That... makes sense, yeah! I hadn't considered the retconning thing working like that, but it works! The idea of landmarks in such a space is also a little confusing, but then again there's no particular reason why not. Aaahhh, now that's a really interesting way of making a language not merely The Language Of Magic, but *necessarily* magical per the linguistics. Which is awesome. OKAY WOW. That's extremely impressive, and while I'm not too clear on many of the linguistic concepts I actually understand what you're going for here because it's basically how maths works to me. Everything has to be essentially simultaneous, so order (where necessary) is developed purely through the pitch of singing! That's just amazing. Conceptually challenging but by no means impossible. I'm not sure I have the wherewithal for proper feedback but I'll definitely be thinking about it.
We had an €€€ system in a physics contest: mass unit that is a mass of €1 coin, distance unit that you can travel in a taxi for €1, and time unit that you have to work to get paid €1, on average. A force was then was just a number: €×€/€²
If you call these all equivalent, then you're essentially setting two quantities equal to unity:
- The rate at which the mass of physical money you obtain by working (in €1 coins) accumulates
- The fastest speed a taxi could drive you if you were working while in the taxi and directly wiring your pay to them, assuming they were only willing to drive you as they were being paid
Perfect, a system that changes with the economy. Then we could finally adjust *everything* based on the year
Help I can’t 😂
"I'm gonna make a joke, but first, I must explain half of the A Level Physics curriculum, so bear with me."
nice pfp
So this is what watching Indian Guys on TH-cam is like
I wish my teacher made more classes on the pretence of 1 joke
I like this. I clicked because I hoped I’d learn about measurement systems. I was not disappointed
>half of a curriculum
>basic units of measurement
u mustve gone for that prestigious "community college arts degree", huh?
“Force is measured in middle C calories per speed of light.”
I’m not a physicist, but that’s still hilarious to me.
I’m a physicist in training and have watched this video three times, it’s beautiful
Funny thing is you can pull out this system at a physics exam and they can‘t say it‘s wrong as long as you indicate the units correctly
Which I think translates to the number of pianos you have to eat in order to power a lightbulb
yeah honestly same, i'm no physics major but this is hilarious
@@fabiomcmuffin 😭😭😭
I love how completely impossible it is to actually conceptualize the combinations of units used to create basic quantities, to the point where instead of thinking, "Oh thank God, I understand distance" you're thinking "WHAT DO YOU MEAN MIDDLE C CALORIES"
Like how fuel economy can be thought of as a 'straw' of fuel laid out in-front of the car, where the fuel economy is the radius of that straw that indicates the rate of fuel burned as the vehicle moves through that distance to balance out it's use with 'scooping' the straw.
Yeah good luck creating anything intuitive like that in this system.
@@toxicbubble5 it's actually pretty easy.
Say we're determining the power of a light bulb.
We can visualize this by thinking of it as how frequently energy is released by the bulb.
for example, a 0.1 C4Cal (~100 W) bulb releases 0.1 calories across one C4.
Im not a physicist and this is a joke, im 90% certain my analogy doesn't work
@@willsterjohnson across one C4 makes it sound like it’s a unit of time. Rather it’s C4 times a second and I think it works.
@@willsterjohnson GADDAMIT
u got me
@@willsterjohnson I actually thought I was understanding lol. My brain cells thought they had finally fired
"The speed of light per middle C" hit me in a way that no other joke ever has.
I lost it at "middle C calories" 🤣
i am so incredibly confused is there actually just a single joke here that you could explain to me or is the whole video a joke lmao im so curious but im the kind of autistic that makes it impossible for me to understand it lmao
@@daisukideshou I guess the whole idea is funny because the units are totally absurd but the system still works anyway. But adding onto that the idea of defining length, which is a very simple idea and usually given as one of the fundamental units, in such a convoluted way as velocity/frequency is what made that part particularly funny to me.
@@daisukideshou I think the whole CCC system is the joke. Rather than there being any specific punchline, it's meant to sound funny at first and then slowly get funnier as you work out the consequences of choosing these very awkward base units. Since humour relies on contrast, it might actually only be funny to people who are already pretty familiar with the various units in physics.
Along with the absurdity of the derived units there can be kind of a neat realization that if you really think about some of them, they make a certain kind of sense. "the speed of light per middle C" makes sense as "the amount of distance light travels during the time it takes a vibrating piano string tuned to middle C to complete one full cycle", which is actually a huge distance. Typical of science jokes that they are still trying to teach you something...
@@RunstarHomerfunnily enough the meter is kinda defined as velocity over frequency. Since it's defined using the speed of light and the second, which is defined through the unperturbed ground-state hyperfine transition frequency of the caesium 133 atom. So the definition of the meter is actually the speed of light / frequency of a caesium 133 atom. However both the definition of the second and the definition of the meter do use conversion factors. Those definitions are way newer than the original definitions so a conversion factor is applied to bring them as close as possible to the older definition. These new definitions are just that way because they are extremely accurately measurable and constant (the old definition was a physical bar that was 1 meter, which is a problematic definition since if the object changes, the whole system of units changes. The same was true for the kilogram.)
I don’t know if this even qualifies as a joke. It’s just on a totally different scale.
the scale itself is the joke you see
the joke is too complex for your feeble mortal mind.
the major C scale?
Ah, I C what you did there.
I'm not sure if your joke about the joke measures up.
How to end this video:
"So, that being said, I hope you'll join me in sailing the Seven C's"
Or, "I hope to C you all later!"
that's a good one
Weight, Height, and up C rays
what a coincidence
In one of the surveys about software developer economics, they chose a theme of pirates. Thus was born a map with references to programming languages like "Sea Sharp", "Objective Sea", and "Sea Plus Plus". Also the favourite cry of those pirates was the name of their favourite programming language ("R").
Some say that jokes that are too long aren’t funny. I say that it’s not the length of the joke, but how you use it
joke effectiveness = mass/time
groofay I think you mean frequency * energy / velocity
That's a lie I want a big meaty joke.
@@AustinThomasPhD Girth is pretty important in a joke, but you don't want to go too far otherwise it won't fit inside your... comedy sketch.
The amount of time it took for "joke" to become an innuendo was actually surprisingly long
You got me completely off guard with the last C. Put me in a false sense of security by saying it was pretty much arbitrary, then hit me with that Roman Numeral. I'm dying.
I got it instantly.
I feel like I’ve learned something and nothing at the same time. Excellent.
As a physics student I love this and I'm going to ask my professors if the exams allow answers in CCC units.
What are they gonna do? Its an objectively valid form of measurement
good luck learning the numbers
get back to us on this o7
@@dovos8572 just use any CAS capable software with a library of units like TI-Nspire, no problem.
Submit the assignment entirely written in C code
The seven Cs systeme is simply the best unit-related joke i've ever heard . I'm using it along with seximal in my future pirate micromemestate
and you should base your entire computer system on Trinary (uses Tits)
@@Bacony_Cakes I thought it used trits?
@@bsharpmajorscale im like 2/3% sure that theyre called trits because noone wants to call em tits
@@bsharpmajorscale Ternary uses trits and Trinary uses tits
No micromemestate is an island even if it is surrounded by the seven Cs.
2:53 there's another unit called a pound that measures currency
£5*5, which means... power
if you're buying engine upgrades that increase your maximum acceleration, you can measure your purchase in pounds per pound per pound
Why are you everywhere I am fotoŝopulo
Cloiss I REMEMBER THIS LMAO
and there is another unit of mass, the "troy pound" (lb t)
This reminds me of when I was in Nuclear Power School and using the FFF system on assignments that they didn't give units for because we weren't allowed to have naked numbers. I wish I had known about the seven C's back then, the guys grading it would have hated me more lol
I've used barns per furlong as my length unit in that kind of situation
@@drachefly how does that work? isn't a barn a measure of probability?
@@nddragoon unit of area, 10^-28 m^2 . Used as a unit of cross-section in particle interaction cross-sections, so it's proportional to probabilities
I love how you can hear his smile throughout the whole video as he explains his joke. It WAS a good joke.
Smile? More like trying so hard not to completely lose it and guffawed until he's out of breath 🤣
He didn't want to C4×cal/C you to laugh by laughing mid vid
@@blacklight683It's C4^-1 to stop!!!
I actually burst out laughing when you pulled out the middle C. What a creative capitalization of your comedic capabilities!
Crazy
*creative comedic capability capitalization
@@AvBWx C'est creepily cumbersome, chap.
Can't create countless comedically creative comments.
See
Love the return of "Power means... Power"
£5*5
8:16
which video was the original use of "power equals power"? (i haven't been on the channel long)
@@timpunny This gem th-cam.com/video/c2G7TFybqOQ/w-d-xo.html
Power means power
But it also means times (2 to the power of 3 is 2 times 2 times 2)
great sense of comedic timing. it's all in the ''way'' you '''tell it,''' after all. still can’t believe the name Conlang Critic was alliteration just for the sake of this joke. 10/10 Cs all around. C% certified jokester.
rated C out of C
you mean 7/7 C's all around.
@@lucas29476 No, 11/11. What sort of weird glyph is "7"?
@@justineberlein5916 sexy
@@pXnTilde sexi*
"I won't go too deep into the seven C's"
Pun intented?
Probably
Ohhh I missed that! LOL
Casually saying "I don't know how to end this video" and then spending the last few seconds without speaking was comedy gold (along with the rest of the C system, particularly the use of both a serif Roman numeral C and a sans-serif C)
OwO 😊😏😩😫 UwU 😚😍🥰😜 Eww 🤮🤢💩😷
@@lomon.tetris Please cease
@@lomon.tetrismeow
So instead of the mole, the CCC system would use a “count”, equal to 1 of something.
One Carbon 12 atom, obviously.
@@frenchfriar the amount of carbon 12 atoms in 1 carbon 12 atom
I think the roman numeral was an appropriate choice, it is a common representative of a multiple and it is written as a c so it's pretty much perfect for the job
It's a mess but you could use the definition of a mole
#C12 atoms / 12grams
But instead have it #C12 / 12(cal/C^2)
Which would give you this constant
2+(18053841153159118/22468879468420441) * 10^10
No, it uses the centum (Ⅽ), which is a capital serif C, while the culomb is sans serif.
5:27 One could argue that most people aren't nearly as familiar with the calorie as with the Calorie (= 1 kilocalorie).
This is the issue I have with this as well.
This depends on where you live as some places use Calorie over calorie
Some countries have kCal on the nutrition label
Yeah, people think they need to eat 2000 calories a day, but it's actually 2 million calories per day or 2000 kilocalories
The distinction between those two units is endlessly annoying
"A good joke is a joke you don't need to explain"
Well, I guess you invalidated this statement...
Showed this to my depressed retired engineer mother and she found it so funny (after years of her mocking me for finding dumb internet videos cool), we got em boys.
Good!
I have a retired engineer uncle. He might like it too.
As a professional musician and hobby physicist I bursted out laughing when you decided to incorporate middle C 😂 Well played 😎
Well "played". I see what you did there.
Well Ced
As a programmer that thinks about things as "operations per second" and clock speed in "hertz", and also an amateur musician, this caused me to realize that I can express the clock speed of my CPU or RAM in terms of an octave and note.
Case in point, my RAM runs in the key of E. (E27)
America: "I use the Imperial system."
Rest of the world: "Pathetic."
Jan Misali: "How cute."
O kawaii koto
O kawaii koto
It depends, is it the most superficial system since the idiotic B. Gillson?
O かわいい こと
o suwi mute!
SI Units: We base our measurements on water and the decimal system.
American/Imperial: We base our measurements on brine and the proportions of the human body.
Seven Cs: :)
SI isn't perfect. Pascal is so low unit that almost no-one uses it. Pressure is described in atm's in chemistry because Pascal isn't up to the job.
@@topilinkala1594 I'm not saying SI is perfect, I agree that its units and subunits are often impractical. American Customary/Imperial is often better and more intuitive at human scale. I just wanted to make a funny comment about Seven Cs.
what a funny joke about measurement
its so funny, i cant stop laughing
I didnt C the joke
I was like, «C-riously? Thats IT? This man better C to it that his jokes improve»
5:35 couldn't the calorie be more accurately and elegantly defined in the CCC system as the amount of energy carried by a photon of frequency of 2.4135454 x 10^31 middle Cs?
This perfectly captures what it feels like to do physics homework with ADHD
I don't want to get too deep into the seven c's is my favourite part of this joke
11 c’s
if i still had a physics teacher i would send this to him
Send it to your old physics teacher!
if my physics teacher spoke English i would send this to her
@@phillipanselmo8540 dammit, translate it and send!!! I am translating this for my friends now!
@Guilherme Varga Not entirely - my friends who are techie enough to understand this mostly speak English - but I did message them in Russian about that, and we've discussed it in Russian afterwards.
My dad is a physics teacher, I sent it to him
I heard 'the 7 Cs' at 10:16. I thought alright, i think i see where this is going. i heard siemens (seamen) at 11:22. I became more sure this was gonna end with a joke about water or sailing or something. at 11:58 i heard 'i dont know how to end this video.'
I am still laughing. well played sir. if the nautical references were intentional, the fake out was absolute gold.
I think that the 7 C's was an intentional joke, but anything past that was knot.
_Buh dum tiss_
@@meme__supreme3373 oh god the comments also follow jan Misalis spirit
Let's just add coulomb (Columbus)... I don't know. Maybe it's funny for me, beca in Russian "Christopher Columbus" is pronounced like Христофор Колумб [Columb]...
“I’m not gonna go too deep into the Seven C’s”
Listening to it another time makes me think of the "A sailor wen to sea sea sea to see what he could see see see" nursery rhyme, but even the first time I totally took this as exactly that when I heard seven Cs too
Alternative title: "Internet Hangman-Breaker makes physics students panic for 12 minutes."
This reminds me of when I was stacking firewood with a friend and he tipped over one of the stacks. Now he's a not the smartest guy, but certainly the kindest man in any room, not a malicious bone in him; so it felt wrong to yell. I poured all my frustration into stacking the crap out that firewood and he followed suit, after 10 minutes it was all stacked up. That was 1m^3 of firewood (600kg), 2 meters over 10 minutes... Our collective anger was an estimated 20 watts! (assuming my math is kosher)
Now please restate that in CCC units...
Contrary comments, consider: can certain criteria creatively contain countable critical collections? Ceding criticism, cooperate cretins - choose CCC!
cexcuse cme
I can imagine the pain of alliteration
That's the C equivalent of V's introduction to Evey, huh?
Confide currently, confounded Coprolite.
No no no, only russians allowed to do that.
"I dont know how to end this video-"
Outro 100
outro C
Reddit moment C.
time: C₄⁻¹
length: cC₄⁻¹
mass: calc⁻²
electric current: C₄𝗖
thermodynamic temperature: ºC
amount of substance: 𝐂
luminous intensity: cd
Calc
I feel like if we're going to have a "cd" measurement as one of our base units, then the measurement of time should be the length of Beethoven's ninth.
@@Corwin256 Playing Beethoven's ninth at the natural tempo of C₄ is way too fast though.
How does it feel to have your last name redefined from 6.02214e23 to 100?
Hotel: Trivago
The font joke was the funniest to me. Everyone knows the pain of distinguishing this capital letter from the lowercase letter from the italicized variants from the Greek variants from symbols in Cyrillic that look exactly like them from which one had a little one or two next to it...
My favorite fun fact about dimensional analysis is that the spring constant of an object is dimensionally equivalent to the rate at which the rate at which an object's mass is changing is changing. And while the spring constant can be very useful, the rate at which the rate at which an object's mass is changing is changing is, in most cases, not.
Physicist here, this isn’t what I subscribed for. But I love it. I’ve also messed about with alternative systems of units, though in my case it was with pseudo-Planck units where the permittivity and permeability of free space are set to 1, and 4π/G was also set to 1 if I recall correctly, in order to mirror the equation for Coulomb force. Might make the electric charge e/3 too, because of quarks I guess. Also, unless I missed one of your flashes of text on the screen, I think you missed the two types of calorie. The so-called “food calorie” is equal to one kilocalorie, and the fact that we call it a calorie is probably pretty confusing for culinary chemists, or molecular gastronomists, or whatever. I might also argue that using a unit of temperature that isn’t 0 at absolute 0 makes it less than coherent. Nice rambling about the two pounds though.
Here’s an interesting thought, is there a situation where the powers of the speed of light cancel out with the minuscule size of 100 atoms to make a remotely human-sized unit?
Also real-talk, the candela shouldn’t be an SI unit if the equivalent response curve for hearing isn’t wrapped up with an SI unit either. And temperature is just energy with a scale factor of Boltzmann’s constant. And it shouldn’t be the ampere, but the coulomb since the other three SI definition units we care about are all single-dimensional. The ampere is just left behind from the old definition of 1N of force from wires being x distance apart with y current through them.
Agreed. We can comfortably get rid of C, C, and C; and keep C, C, C, and C.
I mean get rid of cent, Candela, and Celsius.
(Using Cal = 4184 J = 1 kcal, for reasons stated above)
1 Cal/c^2 = 47 pg
1 C = 166 ymol
1 Cal/(C c^2) = 280 million kg/mol, the Seven C's unit of molar mass, of which nitrogen is around 0.00000005
…Well, that's _closer…_
Hello, another physicist here. I similarly have spent too much time researching systems of measurements, and while I agree with your criticisms of the metric system, there's more to it. Technically, no base unit is more "real" than either. While it's true, that temperature is just energy times a constant, and the two are fundamentally the same, length and time in general relatively are exactly the same. There is no "real" difference between the two other than a constant, the speed of light. Same thing with mass and energy. So if you want to be pedantic, there really is only length-time, mass-energy, and charge. Oh and by the way, 1 e IS the fundamental charge. Quarks only have a fractional charge in theory, color confinement and QED prevent there ever being a non-integer multiple of the electric charge occuring in nature, so there is no reason to rescale it times 3.
I, too, am a phycisit (even though I switched to neuroscience after my bachelor's degree). I already made a separate comment about this, but I think you might also enjoy this thing I made a year ago: github.com/SurrealPartisan/Better-Unit-System
There should only be two base units: The second, s, and the electric charge, e.
Lengths and time intervals should be measured in seconds. Mass, energy, frequency, momentum, acceleration and temperature should be measured in units of the reciprocal of the second, s⁻¹
Pressure and density should be measured in units of s⁻⁴
Speed, entropy and angular momentum should be dimensionless.
As a recent physics grad, this is equally enraging and hilarious to me. I hate it but also thank you
Idk how the stuff works over where you are in terms of the education path but I study physics 2nd semester in Europe and I was compelled to come up with my own system, not angered.
Using the roman numeral for one hundred was the cherry on top.
I don't really see the "joke" here, though. It's a rather competent measurement system, as far as I can see it.
I think you mean, as far as you can C it
Pretty sure it's the absurd impractically of the whole thing for actually measuring anything except power. That and the fact that the speed of light, a musical note, and a less than optimal unit of energy (rather than length, mass, and time) are rather strange starting points. The fact that it works (for given values thereof) is probably part of the joke too.
The joke is you could use this system and no one could stop you
He's using the Seven Cs to measure things
Most physicists probably think: "where is the joke? This system is equally arbitrary as all the other ones." (Perhaps excluding 'natural units', but the CCC-system already inludes c as well).
Great video! Reminded me of a joke I've heard when I was younger about Shawarma being the universal unit. One unit of length is the length of one shawarma, one unit of mass is the mass of one shawarma, and one unit of time is how long it takes to eat one shawarma. You can "extend" it further to have the nutritional value of one shawarma as the energy unit and the volume of one shawarma for the volume, but this makes the system not coherent 🌯
I'd probably focus on the length and nutritional energy, and then probably standardize the time it takes to eat it for a coherent system of length, energy, and time units. Not sure what to do for the other 4 base units.
@@angeldude101 Luminous intensity is how much sunlight is reflected off of a shwarma in direct sunlight at noon at the equator.
tempurature units based off of how much heat a shawarma can absorb starting at 0 degrees kelvin before it is thoroughly cooked
@@angeldude101I will assume:
Energy = 550 kcal = 2.3 MJ
Length = 20 cm
Mass = 250 g
Energy divided by mass is velocity squared. So the velocity is 3033 m/s = 10922 km/h. The respective time is then 66 microseconds. The force is energy divided by length and this is 11.5 MN, the weight of 1172 tons. The power of a Shwarma is 34.9 GW, which is the average electricity consumption of Mexico.
Finally, a system of measurement for speedy--but musical--bacteria.
funniest comment I ever read, thank you
I was confused almost entirely but i still learned, undoubtedly
7:19 "If you want to get more into the music theory stuff of it, there's some good videos from 12Tone and Adam Neely that someone watching this video who's interested in the music theory of different tuning systems has almost certainly already seen"
You bet I have
i felt so called out when he said this lmao
I'm completely tone deaf and I still have watched the music theory videos.
I also recommend Rick Beato
i have and i did
Your replacement for moles could be called a "Cent," which could still have a C as its symbol
a cent is a unit of frequency interval (which is just a number, really) equal to 1/100th of a semitone (as defined in 12 tone equal temperament), or the 1200th root of 2
that would be confusing since nominal measures would use united states cents, ¢, like how FFF would use swiss franc.
@@SunroseStudios "the 1200th root of 2" might be the silliest number I have ever encountered.
@@tompatterson1548 Obviously, we would need a different C for money. I propose Communism
@@SunroseStudios and now, that would be the 12th root of C/50 instead, or, better yet, maybe using the 1200th root of 2 would be a better replacement for moles than 100
I’d like to one day publish a scientific paper using these units
I was repeatedly taught, as a child in Canada, that pounds were _only_ a unit of force (weight, but not mass) ... but then just about the only thing pounds are used for in Canada is bathroom scales and human body weight.
Imperial units are never so simple, of course.
Also, the calorie: not to be confused with the kilocalorie, also known as the Calorie. Because why not?
4:00 I was gonna say "pounds per pound" is a great silly name of acceleration unit and then jan Misali completely pre-empted me.
And he's totally right: Civil engineers regularly use Earth's gravity as a standard unit of acceleration, with the symbol g (= 10m/s2, approximately).
ARE YOU DUMB
ITS 9.8m/s^2
You failed at both bits
Its 9.8 not 10
And what the hell is s2
@@Xnoob545 I believe it's actually more like 9.806 ms^(-2) off the top of my head, the only difference between your figure and their figure is the degree of rounding.
besides, if you don't even understand the units they're using, how do you know that "m/s2" isn't their arbitrary unit of acceleration defined as exactly equal to 1/10 of the acceleration due to gravity on the surface of the Earth?
@@pollywatson8099 9.806… isn’t even constant across the earth, in Northern Europe it’s 9.821 for example.
@@pollywatson8099 9.806… isn’t even constant across the earth, in Northern Europe it’s 9.821 for example.
@@axelnils I mean yea, 9.806 is an average, but it changes based on like the thickness of the earth's crust, height above sea level distance from the equator, plus the fact that the earth isn't actually a perfect spheroid. any figure you could have is inherently an approximation.
You can scale the units logarithmically using (musical pitch) C in different octaves. Just like we have the SI prefixes (kilo-, mega-, giga- etc.) you can use C3, C4, C5, C6 as necessary. So if the base unit for length is c/C4, then c/C5 would be half as long, c/C6 half as long again. Using c/C4 = 1146 km, then c/C24 (twenty octaves above middle C) is ~1.09 m.
Clever
You’re a dang genius
I just love the idea of being allowed to go to C-1 (yep, that's C negative 1) and beyond to make small units bigger
The reason "avoirdupois" is pronounced like that is because it comes from Old French where was pronounced "aver" instead of "avwar", and "pois" like "poiz" and not "pwa" like the modern word
@@owowowdhxbxgakwlcybwxsimcwx You could say that :) Hearing reconstructions of what it originally sounded like sounds more like an English speaker trying to read French with no French knowledge than actual modern French
@@elliotagnew9960 In all honesty you can say that old English sounds nothing like modern English either...because modern English just sounds like old French.
@@natchu96 Fair point. Although I do think it's closer than Old French is to Modern French. It's just really weird how Old French sounds. Actually, I wonder if Old French (more likely middle French) influenced the way that English was pronounced during the period they were both spoken in England. That's an interesting thought.
In Quebec we still pronounce avoir like in Old French. If you know SPanish pronounciation, we would say avoirdupois as "avoer dupua" (we don't pronounce the S in pois)
@@owowowdhxbxgakwlcybwxsimcwx it used to be Latin...
Still trying to wrap my head around how "Calorie per speed of light squared" is a measurement of mass.
e=mc^2, simple as that.
@txtp I love the fact that's literally it
But more accurately M=E/C²
Idk about everyone else but I waited for a punchline that never came and that made me laugh more that anything
"I don't want to dive too deep into the 7 Cs" was a pretty good candidate
Oh my god, how have I not understood it earlier... I finally figured out who you reminded me of....
Randall Munroe. Same tendency to go down rabbit holes, same kind of VERY diverse and unrelated interests, kinda similar sense of humor.
I've been loving these videos so much. *Keep up the fantastic work!*
Randall Munroe, the author / artist of xkcd comics. Here is one of his that has a close sentiment to this video: xkcd.com/687/
@@discretelycontinuous2059 Wow. That comic turned out prescient. Better Priuses were built, and now Brexit is underway.
@@Duiker36 Fuck i knew about this xkcd but i never thought about that. Fuck. My mind is breakingggggg
I think my math teacher is secretly Randall Munroe
he really did just make a hella technical video just to explain a joke he made. these videos are why i watch this channel
When you said middle C I bursted out laughing like i haven't since quarentine started, thank you kind sir
I always loved the idea of making absurdly impractical units, like lightyears per picosecond as a measure of speed, and this video fully explores and fleshes out a full system based upon that. Love it ^w^
I love how you can just hear him holding a laugh in the way he speaks.
the word, "coulomb:" *is mentioned*
my brain: *flashbacks to ninth grade science class where no one knew how to calculate anything*
It's not so hard to remember all that stuff if you visualise Coulomb as a bucket of electrons. So, Ampere as coulomb per second, moving the buckets of electrons at that speed through your wire. Volt, Joule/Coulomb - how hard is it to push these buckets, or how high they hang and how much of a bang they'll cause falling. Farad, put half a bucket of electrons on one side of a capacitor, half a bucket of protons on the other so you have a bucket worth of charged particles.
@@sharpfang clever lol. I just memorised it and all the equations that come with electricity (the links between the formulas help) and I had to anyway.
What kind of school did you go to where ninth grade science was mentioning Coulombs?
@@sharpfang Could you perhaps provide a more in-depth explanation that is more representative of what is actually happening? *I'm asking because I don't because y'know analogies are only useful up to a certain point and I have a physics test likeeeee next week.
@@polygontower What is happening is that same charges repel each other and opposite attract each other. Electrons are light, zippy and negatively charged. Atoms that miss an electron (have more protons than electrons) are positively charged and bound to neighboring atoms, stationary. So, electrons push each other around in metal, from higher density to lower (higher defficit) - and we measure different aspects of that effect. Coulomb is a unit of a certain amount of charge, surplus of electrons over atoms missing electrons. Ampere is how fast that charge moves in wire. Volt is "pressure", how concentrated that charge is, and so how hard it "pushes". And Farad is "room to store charge", a capacitor of 1 farad has room to store half a coulomb of electrons on one side, half a coulomb of atoms missing electron on the other, meaning 1 coulomb of charge.
"..measured in newtons."
measured in..
*fig newtons*
Yes?
@@wdwuccnxcnh7022 ya like jAZZ
*fig newtons*
@@FiSH-iSH *rng-esus really givin you all da figgy pudding*
You can actually make a unit of force based on the weight (gravitational force) of a piece of fig newton on the surface of the earth. Just take the mass of a fig newton and multiply it by acceleration due to gravity.
When you introduced middle C, i got the joke.
Jackson DeStefano explain, master...
Is it "seven seas"?
ccccccc
@@the_multus no it's just that all units have C in them and also the seven seas
It's more than just "the seven Cs", it's also the sheer absurdity of jan misali taking the time to do all of this. The ever building jenga tower of wonky units that is somehow still structurally sound. That is the joke.
After watching this, I ended up with a C on my science exam. This video really helped me a lot.
The line "I don't know how to end this video" made me laugh almost unreasonably hard.
Probably because you can hear his last ounces of self-restraint before breaking into gasping laughter 😂
This both goes against and entirely compliments everything I've learnt in the last 4 years in doing a physics degree
_whispers_
*Physics is just a model.*
very arbitrary
_fades away_
position is as arbitary as other quantities .
*complements.
Well, I've toyed once or twice with a system that measures speed based on the "lux," such that 1 lux would equal the speed of light, rendered useful for everyday purposes only with the addition of metric prefixes. 1 millilux, for instance, would be about 300 m/s, while 0.3 m/s would be a microlux. If you wanted to recalibrate it so that the base unit was more reasonably sized for everyday purposes, you could use the "lucicle" (an Anglicization of Latin "lūcicula," a diminutive of "lūx"), which would equal about 300 m/s (or 1 millilux in the "lux" system). The speed of light itself would then be 1 kilolucicle. Rather roundabout, of course, but still fun to play around with. I've also toyed around with appending metric prefixes to common units of time, such that the dinosaurs went extinct "65 kilomillennia" ago. But your joke here puts all my tinkerings to shame!
But Lux is already a unit for luminous flux per area.
Not its 65 billenia
Fun fact, when I took Modern Physics in college, I discovered that it can actually be very useful to know the speed of light squared in megaelectron-volts per atomic mass unit (it's ~931.5 MeV/u).
Microlux seems more human-useable sized, and is about 1 m/h. name it lucy. (modern english diminutive of Lucille)
But lucicle is too hard to pronounce to use often
pounds of force per pound of mass gives new meaning to the expression "pound for pound"
I swear the English pound derived from the value of a pound of gold. And then inflation happened.
@@mimikal7548 False. It was derived from the value of a pound of sterling silver as that was how the coins were minted. Hence Pounds Sterling. One pound of silver was then divided into 240 equal sized pieces which were then formed into one pence coins. 12 pence then made a shilling, and 20 shillings a pound.
6:08 As the bacterium steps onto her bathroom scales: "How can I have gained fifty femtograms?"
🧪🧫🔬🥔🦶🛁⏲️📈😭
"Middle Cs per calorie" killed me in a way I didn't think I could be killed.
7:22 HE’S LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT ME. I’m a musician that watches videos like this one to make myself feel smart in case you’re wondering.
Watching things like this is a great way to become smart, so I hope it's working!
"Idk how to end this video"
*ends video*
What else was i expecting
But first we have to talk about parallel universes,
watch for rolling rocks in 0.5 C Presses (Commentated)
the Coinless Capless Cannonless system of measurement
To make an apple pie from scratch you must first create the universe
"MEANWHILE...."
@@portal6347 why do I get the feeling this is a reference to something..?
1:44 Fun Fact: "avoirdupois" looks like "avoir du pois" or literally: having weight
update:
it's more like "avoir du poi*d*s"
sorri
...that's because it _is_ that. That is where the word coems from.
@@thewanderingmistnull2451 Then English tried to hide the mugging by changing the spelling and changing the pronunciation.
As linguists say: English language grew by unashamedly mugging German, French, and Spanish.
The reason it is spelled that way is because the "D" in "poids" is silent.
@@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn so I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest it absolutely should be pronounced the way he says it isn't, even if it's not how people (Americans, obviously, who else is there really?) say it
The calorie per speed of light squared is the most ridiculous sounding unit I’ve ever heard in my life and the fact that it measures mass is infinitely funnier
Thanks. Long-time watcher of Conlang Critic. Loving the new, diversified content so far. Watching a good analysis can be very satisfying, and this kind of "soft math" approach is incredibly accessible and engaging to nerds of many varieties. Appreciate the time and effort spent developing this.
Most intrigued by the alternative basic units. Interesting implications for a conlang. What kind of alien viewpoint does it take to approach frequency as something more basic to measure than time? What does that do to the vocabulary? Tense and aspect?
Wdym soft math? This is
a) Physics
b) not soft at all but perfectly rigorous
c) very representative of how shitty notation can get if left unchecked (and even if checked sometimes)
At the bare minimum, I think we're looking at a viewpoint wherein the pitch of communication is vital to the information conveyed, yet time is almost irrelevant. Interestingly, this squares well with a group who considers the *speed of light* a useful way to measure speed. Sapient stars or even galaxies communicating across vast timescales and distances, perhaps communicating through radio waves, as that's where Middle C lies when turned from sound to light. Conveniently, middle C can be transposed upwards into higher and higher Cs, so "C" notes in general could be a way to transmit information up and down the light spectrum.
Unfortunately, this falls apart a bit when we get to energy, since a galactic mind could not give less of a flare about a unit that even humans scale up by a thousand to measure food-energy. Still, it's a fun thing to think about!
@@joda7697 Scare quotes because I was using an inexact term. It's perfectly rigorous (otherwise, I wouldn't even call it math, lol), but it only relies on concepts I would reasonably expect, say, a first-day college freshman to be very familiar with. (I might be over- or under-estimating the education level. Been a few weeks since I watched the vid.)
I’m tired. All of this flew over my head.
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I still enjoyed it though
same
But at what speed did it fly over your head?
@@cogspace C
@@archdukefranzferdinand567 that's a coulomb. I think you meant c, not C
@@elliottsampson1454 I c...
As an amateur mathematician, physicist, and musician this made me laugh, cry and die inside. I couldn’t laugh and cry loudly cause people were working
Ask for 15 minutes off work for everybody so they can spend 12 minutes watching this video and 3 minutes recovering from it :P
9:30 I crack up every time when I say "Middle C cubed calories per speed of light to the fifth power"
10:10 Aww, I was expecting a Seven *Seas* joke. "...extend it into the Seven Seas, which is already known by anyone who knows their world geography."
"I'm not going to go too deep..."
@@hundvd_7 Too subtle. Like, the jokes are already subtle - that one is too subtle.. The usage of going "too deep into" a topic is a commonly used definition. Doesn't count as a joke.
@@XoIoRouge I disagree, he said it literally right after "seven Cs"
If he at least noticed that it sounds like seven seas, then he also noticed this
At first I was skeptical, but now I can't stop giggling.
As someone who really likes physics, this was the most fun I've had in a long while.
Using the Coulomb instead of the Ampere for the electricity related units make your system a more logical system than the SI.
You cant measure coulombs directly though.
Every electrician and even people that dabble in elektricity have a multimeter that can measure voltage and amperes (and ohms and often farads).
I am not aware of any device that is used to measure charge. I guess you could have a resistor with a voltmeter across and a microcontroller that can calculate the charge on a capacitor based on the rate of discharge...
@@wybo2 just measure force between two charges. I guess having a unit charge like how we have a unit kg is hard.(cause kg doesn't disappear and leak to the surroundings) If we had unit charge then we could just measure the force. Like people go with 0.001 columbs of charge and measure force
@@wybo2 Yes we can, because scientists are able to measure a charge of one electron with particles of oils.
@@wybo2 And you measure watt-hours instead of joules or kg/m^2s^2.
"I'm not going to go too deep into the 7 Cs"
That's it, that's the joke. Comedy is over, people, let's go. Drinks are on me
British: It’s about 80 kilometres from here.
American: It’s about 50 miles from here.
jan Misali: It’s about dozen two and eight nif foursy unexianths times the speed of light over middle C from here.
The IPA in the 1:38 caption is an amazing touch. thank you.
okay, not even a minute in and im already extremely interested
Reviewing it as a conlang, the alphabet is pretty limited, and the sound system only has one frequency which requires perfect pitch to pronounce. This system of units does not pass muster as an effective global auxiliary language.
I started laughing out loud when you got to "one middle C calorie"
Your voice even gets more and more merrier as the video progresses and the ending is just golden 🤣🤣🤣
I’m an America Person, and I could not stop laughing when you explained how to actually pronounce ‘avoirdupois’. I’ve been pronouncing it the way you said you had been before finding out the actual pronunciation, and the actual pronunciation is hilarious! Like, what the hell, America! You murdered that word, it’s dead! 😂
you've somehow managed to make a video that checks the boxes of every single one of my hyperfixations. incredible.
Your channel never fails to surprise me in the best ways possible
jan misalis jokes are so genius and brilliant i am speechless. this is so in depth and hilarious on such a high level. i love it to no end
I’m rewatching misali’s math videos and trying to understand them instead of just listening to sounds and nodding my head
@jan Misali I'm... actually going to be making this the standard system of measurement in my language (which, coincidentally, your Dovahzul video inspired me to make). It legitimately solves a problem I was having, namely how to handle frequency being a natural unit of measurement in the laws of physics where it's spoken but time very much not being a natural unit. Until now it just never occurred to me to reframe all measurements using it as a base unit. Though, my system isn't based on orders of magnitude but rather the natural logarithm.
Light is also super important culturally speaking, making the speed of light a very natural unit as well. Again, making time a derived property solves a legitimate problem I was having with making that work.
The other five Cs will merely serve to complete the joke/reference, even though I could come up with more natural units for them as well. The one change is that Roman numeral C (and the Celcius range) needs to be 101 rather than 100 because the entire numeral system is based on primes (yes, seximal is the ideal fixed radix, but a mixed radix is much friendlier with my syntax).
Okay, what off earth is this world you're making. It sounds absolutely fascinating.
@@clockworkkirlia7475 It's a language for the Magna-Ge (Star Orphans) of The Elder Scrolls' series. Jan Misali didn't go into the lore at all in his Dovahzul video, but it's pretty wild, and my inspiration was the realization that none of the conlanging in the series did a very good job of working with the lore. Mortal languages work normally, but only because linear time and normal causality are being created by a god; for other gods like the Magna-Ge, well, time exists after a fashion, but not anything like we'd recognize it.
Now, considering how mind-bending and insane the result of my trying to take non-Mundrial physics seriously is, I don't per se begrudge the conlanging in the series taking a few shortcuts (I've been working for over 2 years and barely have enough understanding of the broad strokes to actually start making vocabulary), though their actual work is still inexcusable lazy (ie nothing but English relexes).
I won't go into all the Dawn physics in the lore (if you're interested the uesp wiki is plenty comprehensive, but be aware it's a very deep rabbit hole, far deeper than the average Skyrim player will ever realize). In short, imagine time flowing both forward and backward. I can however say that some necessary linguistic implications of those physics include:
No concatenative morphology or word order whatsoever. All arithmetic needs to be commutative. In the lore another language, Ehlnofex, is written by mortals in ALLCAPS as a reminder that since the first letter of a sentence is captialized (another example of English relexing) every letter in Ehlnofex comes first and therefore needs to be capitalized. I have an absurdly massive phonology of well over 10000 items just to deal with this.
No words for directions, because in infinite-dimensional space that would require an infinite lexicon. I have locatives (near/at/in/toward but not on/behind/etc) to help bridge the gap. The writing system also needs to work equally well in any number of dimensions.
All computation takes O0 time, meaning grammar that requires anything short of literally infinite processing time (ie anything that Halts, meaning they have a sort of Oracle) to learn or parse is actually usable and equal levels of inconvenient.
No tense nor aspect. Mood is fine, and I even have a mood that's impossible in our physics, but the closest you can get to the TA part of TAM is realis/irrealis.
No dynamic verbs. Stative verbs are fine, but conventional time over which things can change doesn't exist.
@@watcher314159 Ohohohhhh that sounds absolutely *brilliant.* I'm the sort of person who deep-dives into expanded universe Doctor Who and Faction Paradox cosmology so this is riiiight up my alley. That bit about locatives and directions is really interesting; presumably, in a world where time is meaningless, direction itself is rendered itself both infinite and useless by the trivial nature of facing an infinite number of directions "at once" (though obviously "at once" is just a temporal approximation on my part). The commutative arithmetic part is just immensely satisfying to me; directionless language is always a fun idea.
That said, it sounds like you've given yourself a task that is Herculean, Sisyphean, and possibly downright Icarian in its difficulty. Really, I think they'd run out of Greek myths before anyone could describe the challenge you've set yourself. Which is to say, really, good luck! I'm honestly fascinated by the progress you've already made.
Also, what the heck kind of mood couldn't exist in our physics? I understand that it might be difficult to explain but I'm usually exactly sleep-deprived enough to have an intuitive grasp of things that cannot be. :P
@@clockworkkirlia7475 If you're into that kind of deep dive, then I definitely recommend TES as a series for some of the dankest lore in the business. There's literally enough going on in the metaphysics that I know of multiple people in the lore community doing PhD level theses on it.
The directions thing is actually mostly unrelated to the time thing, because space and time are the creations of two different gods. Of course, those gods are mirror-brothers who share the same blood thanks to a monkey and his cult dancing on a city/wheel/tower/universe for 1008 unyears, making space and time inextricably linked, but all of that is below the level of my language.
Direction can still be used in a simple and practical manner by... pointing/gesturing. The spatiotemporal reality does, yes, make that process slightly more complicated than normal since all change over time is instead a matter of retconning into existence, but you really can pretty much just point and say "that direction" and it works. There's also rich mathematical syntax for describing matrices and the like that can be used for describing directions in an abstract sense. But most of the time naming landmarks and using proximal locatives is the most practical purely linguistic thing (eg in writing where gestures just don't work) to do.
Yes, my task is Herculean and Sisiphean and, especially at first, was so mind-bending as to border on Icarian. But the point from the start was mostly to prove that a usable language could be created in those physics, since I knew going it it would be literally impossible for any human to actually learn. The phonology keeps ballooning in complexity (well over 10,000 phonemes and an unbounded number of tonemes at this point (which is in fact human-pronouncable and which I can almost do), up from an initial estimate of a bit over 1800 phonemes) and I'm still kind of at a loss for how to handle a lot of the conceptual metaphors that play into the whole semantics system, but I'm determined to eventually create a sufficiently complete description that even if the more complex syntax literally can't be parsed someone can still basically understand what's going on.
As for the non-existent mood, I have a realis imperative. Imperatives are necessarily irrealis IRL since they are orders to make currently non-real states of reality real. But with the power of retcons and a magic system based on Concept Tones, imperatives in my language are necessarily realis (assuming the order is actually carried out, which, because magic, they are). This "Logiative" mood is therefore what all spells are cast in by default.
Here's a link to the currently most complete description of my language for general audiences (ie it's much more coherent than my personal notes) if you're interested: www.reddit.com/r/conlangscirclejerk/comments/fphjdi/this_is_the_first_letter_in_my_conlang_i_am_gonna/flq9vnh/?context=8&depth=9 Naturally any feedback is to be greatly appreciated.
@@watcher314159 @Tor Diryc'Goyust Ah, sorry it took so long to get back to you! That's absolutely fascinating, though the monkey cult mirror brother thing was a bit of a tone shift. :D
That... makes sense, yeah! I hadn't considered the retconning thing working like that, but it works! The idea of landmarks in such a space is also a little confusing, but then again there's no particular reason why not.
Aaahhh, now that's a really interesting way of making a language not merely The Language Of Magic, but *necessarily* magical per the linguistics. Which is awesome.
OKAY WOW. That's extremely impressive, and while I'm not too clear on many of the linguistic concepts I actually understand what you're going for here because it's basically how maths works to me. Everything has to be essentially simultaneous, so order (where necessary) is developed purely through the pitch of singing! That's just amazing. Conceptually challenging but by no means impossible. I'm not sure I have the wherewithal for proper feedback but I'll definitely be thinking about it.
Jan Misali shouting out Neelyboi like that caught me extremely off guard
It's supposed to be av-wah-du-pwah smhmh my head my head mh
shaking my head my head my head my head my head
learn IPA
@@bonhomhongon2794 Your what? DIDN'T GET THAT!
@@ribhuhooja3137 shaking my smh
Electroflame 618 I know IPA but I don't have the keyboard and I can't be bothered to copy-paste every single character. Also vowels are weird.
your joke got my first grin at 8:30 when you said "one Middle C Calorie"
and thanks for crafting the excellent ending to this video.
6:27 I thought you were gonna make the base unit of time _century_