Which of these popular Adventure Bikes is hardest to pick up? DROP TEST
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- Which of these popular Adventure Bikes is hardest to pick up? DROP TEST
Many people have asked, how hard is a certain bike to pick up if you crash it? To find out, I will be dropping all the bikes I test going forward, and giving them a score from A to F. To start, I drop all 5 bikes in my garage and assign relative scores. No hernia's or broken back's (yet)
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Correcting your correction:
No, 480 lbs is not 318 kg. It is 218 kg! 😉
Yes I saw that also.
…but it FEELS like it after the the fifth pickup… 😂
"I'm going to be doing the method....lift with your legs not your back"
Proceeds to lift entirely with his back.
I would try to support the bike more with my rear besides pulling up, rather push from the entire body. That said I was in a situation with off-camber bike fall, where even the best technique did not work, and had to turn the bike around. Also if the ground is unstable, lifting becomes even harder.
@@David_Journey Came here to post that
I hurt my back just from watching him do it…ouch
EVERY. DAMN. TIME.
If you do not have a bad back, owning an adventure bike is how you get one.
I very much appreciate your work on these bikes! But it also looks like I'll have to really work to get my left knee to bend further than it wants to now, thanks to a knee replacement (I'm 73). And for all you younger folks out there, you don't stop doing things because you get old--you get old because you stop doing stuff!
AMDo you still ride off-road?
@@oldtimer3824 I've toned it down a lot, but yes; forest roads mostly. I make sure I don't get into situations where I might dump the KLR, and never ride alone, so there's always help.
Best advice you could give anyone
@@alexmacdonald258 I’m 73 and none of my riding friends will go off road. I (foolishly) go alone places where if I had a serious accident they wouldn’t find my body until the snow melted. I’d tell someone where I was going but I don’t know myself.
@@CPSJSMSUUMUGA I carry a Garmin Inreach Explorer+, so if there's a problem, I can get help, along with LifeFlight insurance for a remote airlift. And as a former Senior Patroller (National Ski Patrol), I still have the advanced first aid training-was an EMT with my Patrol-that if somebody else needs it, I can take care of most everything. Too bad I'm not in the UK, where you're not far from a pub!
I’ve only had to pick up my T7 once, after a pretty heavy fall, bent bars, obliterated mirror, banged my knee up pretty well. In that Situation adrenaline definitely played a part, I had the bike back up in no time and it almost felt effortless!
Maby you could add a pack of dogs chasing you in your test to get that adrenaline pumping! 😛
or a pack of hungry wolves?
Maybe 4-5 hungry zombies… that’d get the adrenaline going….. just an idea.. 🤪
@@BigRockMoto THAT is the spirit!
@Big Rock Moto aka. TH-cam comments 😂
This is one of the best channels for adventure content. It's great seeing such important topics covered and seeing you experiment with new ideas. There awesome! Keep on the good work👍.
I'm really excited for the new charts, what an brilliant idea.
Greatings from Switzerland 🇨🇭
Wow, thank you!
You have read my mind again, I can’t wait to see the results! Thanks again and keep up the excellent content!
Holy cow, man! Watching you lift those first two, I was feeling twinges in my own back!
Thanks for sacrificing your body to do this video and share the info. I’ve always known that it’s the top-heavy bikes that are the most challenging but you rock, Big Rock!
Great info. Recently dropped a dual sport at a down hill slope. I had dropped this bike many times pushing myself but this was the first time I had ever had difficulty getting it upright. The soles of my boots where smooth worn out motocross boots. I couldn’t get traction. I learned a few things that day. You get taught some lessons on your fitness and endurance level when adventures get really adventurous. It was still a great day on a motorcycle I was just a little more worn out than usual. Great video
Useful information Ian, thank you for hefting all of these machines. Anyone considering a new ADV bike and planning to ride it off pavement would do well to practice a few lifts on their lawn before that first drop on the trail. Looking forward to your new website!
The pickup test is excellent information. Always appreciate this insightful information.
This was exactly what I was always wondering which bike is difficult to pick.
Thanks a lot
Thank you for making a really good video.
It seems to have helped a lot in my motorcycle life.
One of the most useful videos on YT, thank you from a new subscriber 👍
Awesome job for the algorithm. Thanks!!
Great Video - Shows the build and design of the bikes and importance of Weight distribution....thanks!
Hello great job picking up bikes Ian, I am 5'9" 30" inseam so I drop bikes, at first this was the scariest think about ADV riding but as my skills improved and I got more confident on my Beemer and later Africa Twin not that big of a deal. And later as I figured things out about the sport/hobby I love realized I was much happier on small bikes in the trail so I saved up and purchased multiple bikes.
Wonderful content, love what you're doing!
Thanks for doing this. Glad you didn't hurt yourself. I must confess that at 66 years of age I carry a Moto Jack and it has bailed me out at least 3 times. I realize it would be cheaper to abandon my GS on the side of the road than to crush a disc trying to pick it up.
Great video! Thanks for the excellent content, its really helpful :)
Once again, excellent job👏🙏!!
This is absolutely what we need!!!
No bikes are good if you can't pick it up when needed.
Thank you!!!
Brilliant, you are a star. Entertaining and informative. Hope you keep getting the press bikes. :-)
I confirm. 5 falls at a standstill with the T7. once a certain inclination is reached, it is impossible to retain . and therefore very complicated to raise.
(T7 rally edition)
Great video and really useful real world information to have!
Thanks Ian. Interesting topic, for me at least having experienced a heavy bike the hard way (F800GSA without advantage of boxer) !! I would suggest to use a simple number rating - maybe from 0 to 20. Just more intuitive to follow as letter rating is less so for most. Cheers from Quebec.
Great idea for a video! Love it
You’re doing it the hard way. That technique doesn’t work well on lose or muddy ground. The bike will just slide away from you. Try turning the handlebars first so that the headlight faces up. Then grab the furthest handle bar grip with both hands and using your legs and lift straight up. You are facing the bike while you do this. Works on just about any bike. This way you’re using as much mechanical advantage as possible by moving your lift point as far as possible from the fulcrum point.
In muddy mud , I put something behing the wheel to stop slipping the wheel and I use the knee method. I did that 3x on a ride with the Tenere700, boy I was exausted, i sold the bike after lol !!
+1. I don't know why people keep teaching that method. It's only for big cruisers. I've tried it a few times on my adv bikes, and on loose ground, fahgettaboudit!
I totally agree, It's all about physics and the type of bike. Using the 'recommended' back-to-the-seat method is the wrong method to use on a Yamaha Tenere 700. It works on a BMW GS because it lies about 70° from the perpendicular when dropped due to its flat boxer engine, but a Yamaha Tenere 700 lies a lot closer to the ground and has a relatively high centre of gravity. The next time I drop my Yamaha Tenere 700 I'll be using the handle bar method. 👍
I learned this the hard way. Picking up dirt bikes or dual sport the technique is not that important. But at 5’8”, 180lbs, picking up my 600 plus pound Yamaha Super Tenere XTZ1200 on mud and lose rocks forced me to pay attention to physics.
He made the comment at the start about doing the method that we're taught in the training course. Real world, yes could be a difficult way to do it but for purpose of comparisons best to do the same method each time.
Thanks for the lift tests!
Good info!
Another excellent, informative video. Very surprising and interesting results. I haven't had to pick my T7 up yet (knock on wood) but at least now know what to expect when it happens (and it will eventually because I ride it hard). Keep the videos coming!
Thanks! Not your regular comparison topic and indeed usefull to know as it is an important issue on bigger, longer trips. It's picking up the bike that drains your energy after a while. More important then most people would think for long off road trips.
Thanks again. And thanks for doing the slightly goofy things that don't always involve being cool - it's good information. Hair's looking good too!
Great video! Amazing how that GS can be picked up so easily, definitely my choice for a touring bike! Surprised how tuff the Tenere was to get up but hey ...its still a great bike.
Another great video. I sold my 2020 GSA for this very reason and went with a 890. I am a pretty strong guy, but with my GSA in adventure mode (with full bags and rear duffle) I could not get my GSA up by myself. I also think the GSA is super top heavy and the balance point is way smaller than most bikes (agin very top heavy), once it starts to go over your not stopping it. Combine that with the 4 screws I have in my lower back, I just couldn’t take the GSA anymore. Wish you would of had a 790/890 in this test. BTW some of us don’t want you to hurt yourself ;-)
Finally! Someone doing the pickup test!!!! My vstrom 650 takes a lot of muscle to pick up, even with a Givi rack equipped with sturdy Pelican side cases (it doesn’t fall over all the way either like the GS). It would be interesting to hear from moto engineers if picking up is part of their design criteria
Wow what a great video Big Rock! You're a real trooper for doing this test.
You need an assistant helping you lay the bikes down so you're fresh when picking them up. That's a lot of energy output rolling those bikes around and picking them up. I know many people would kill to help you make these videos. I know I would.
Great idea for a video! Glad your back is in one piece. As a 150lbs intermediate rider I went from a Gen 1 Klr650 to a 2021 crf300l, so that I can pick it up with confidence when trail riding. I would love a T7, but if I were to drop it, I would be screwed.
I had a 2017 KLR and had to pick it up a couple of times. Wasn't fun. Sold the KLR; bought a 2020 Africa Twin. Had to pick it up a couple of times. Less fun. Sold the AT; bought a CRF300L Rally. Haven't had to pick it up yet, but I know it will be relatively easy.
Great video, not surprised by your results. I just sold my T7 Rally Edition as I realized I was not able to lift it. Maybe I could do it with a lot adrenaline pumping but with the risk of doing something bad to my back. I have lifted a lot bikes. The R1200GS (I owned one) was quite easy. But too heavy to get out of mud if alone. Light is always better when doing off road or adventures into the wilderness. Cheers !
Nice work Ian. Don't know why I waited so long to subscribe. I can't wait for that comparison matrix 👍. Glad to see my KLR did better than I thought it would. I haven't dropped mine yet 🤞
Great video as always. Im sure when you watch back you’ll notice you were using your back too much :) But it is hard to use just the legs when the bike is so low and the taller you are the harder it is to keep the back straight. A+ for effort!
Big rocking it out of the park with these original elements on your channel!
I appreciate that!
Thanks. Fun video that gives some indication. I would still rather pick up the T7 in mud than a 600lb behemoth GS. When the bike falls flat on concrete the GS seems easier to lift for sure. The KLR score should not be the same as the GS imo.
This is easily one of the best 'testable' real world things we want to see.
Great job, Ian.
Definitely adding unique value for ADV riders! Thanks 🙏
thanks
Very clever content. Not a video I’d have thought of - so it was fun to watch. I have a KLR650, Honda AT1000 and KTM1290. By far, the KTM is the most challenging to right size in my stable (and ironically, the one that spends more time horizontal than the others). The AT almost feels like a feather compared to the Austrian tank.
Just wanted to say, even tho I don't agree with all of you conclusions, you content is always very interesting. Keep going and thank you!
Thank you for doing something very relevant to the adventure world. Picking up bikes is such an important consideration while purchasing an adventure bike.
Well said!
Yep. Because you will be picking it up sooner or later if you do actual adventuring.
Nice test. Useful and to the point.
Thanks
Great video. Real world, important information you can’t find anywhere else. Ian, would it kill ya to smile when you’re done lifting bikes?
Very insightfull. Good work.
Glad you liked it!
Wow surprising results,I have never dropped my T7 but the proof is in the pudding! Hope your Back is well rested for the Next Adventure!
Really enjoyed the video!
I suppose the next question that I would like your opinion on is “how likely you are to drop the bike in a particular terrain?”
Nice vid thanks for all your quality content. It is a great asset for the community. For those newer to ADV riding a few things to consider when picking up a bike.
1st) if you need to pick up a heavy/loaded....slow down and THINK THROUGH your situation. Rushing to pick up a bike when the adrenalin and potentially embarrassment level is high is a great way to hurt yourself or make the situation worse.
2nd) Just a few degrees of hill lean can dramatically change the difficulty level of picking up a bike. The fact that the bikes in this video were just slightly up hill made a difference in the lift forces required. Don't believe me, try it yourself.
3rd) Sometimes it is really worth the energy investment to get your bike spun around with the tires downhill before you try to pick it up. You may need to dig before drag, but you can do that in pieces before you commit to a lift. Get over the scratches...it is an ADV bike after all.
4th) Secure that front brake and use 1st gear to keep it from rolling. I've watched guys go from bad to worse as a bike rolled away from them after they picked it up. All is good when you are practicing in your yard and fresh. Things change dramatically when you are 6 hours into a rugged ride and the bike is on a side hill. Try a little strip of Velcro secured around your handle bar (I've had the same piece on my 990 for 10 years)
5th) Try lifting straps (made up using your towing/drag strap....you do have a towing/drag strap in your kit right? Search TH-cam for using these (bikes, fridges, etc...all the same physics)
6th) Explore other lifting tools/techniques. There are a # of light weight lifting and self rescue kits (DIY and commercial) out there.
7th) Learn the best technique that works for your bike, ideally when it is loaded. This is when you are most likely to drop the bike now that your CG is different. Unloading might not always be an option.
Lastly and for those that really want to improve their big ADV riding skills, get comfortable with the idea of dropping your bike and figure out a way to get 100% confident that you can lift by yourself. If you constantly fear that you are going to drop your bike and get stranded, your riding skills WILL suffer. This is one of the 1st things I go through with my students, even requiring them to drop their bikes on purpose. Dropping a bike is part of adventure riding and the sooner you manage that fear, the better adventures you will have.
BTW - for the GS riders out there, here is how BMW does it: th-cam.com/video/YXFXHvYwexA/w-d-xo.html (I do the same on my KTM 990)
thanks, this is great!
Very informative video. Thanks for the ratings!
You content kicks ass lately. This is relevant and actionable info for owners and potential buyers. It may have been worthwhile to mention the height of the bikes as well since the ability to man-handle them is usually tied directly to height and weight.
Fun story, picked up my 2020 Africa Twin by myself with 2 broken ribs...on an undesirable incline. About 2 months later I had to do it again with 2 broken fingers. It wasn't easy and both pick-ups caused their own injuries due to my poor technique.
Thanks for your efforts
I’m glad I subscribed. Nobody else has touched this subject
What a great idea, picking up the bike one is riding. Thanks for the video and I hope your back is ok. I love the content you put out on your channel and always look forward to your videos. Peace.
Kudos to you. I've found found plenty of info on your channel that wasn't available anywhere else, or needed to be compiled from multiple sources.
I really like the concept of having a pick-up test and a rating. But but what you have thus far is one dimensional and subjective - as you acknowledged in the first part of the video.
I wonder if you have considered doing multiple tests, to attempt more real world cases.
- In addition to, or instead of, the concrete test, find an off road place that is sandy and has no sharp rocks.
- An additional test where the bike has fallen on the down hill slope.
- Rig up some apparatus that can attach at the grip points that you used, to weigh the force needed to pick it up (best done in conjunction with your driveway test).
Regardless, thanks for the effort and good info you have provided! We'll always want more.
Awesome comparison to watch, something everyone who takes these bikes off-road should plan on doing is picking it up at least once!
Very intersting comparison. Congratulations!
Helpful! Thanks!
Great videos, appreciate your content, thank you.
thanks
Thank you for letting us see all that bikes picked up from the ground.. as for the technique i use a different one.. i use the handlebar as a lever to pick up the bike ..Thank you so much from italy
It was interesting to see this comparison even as you said it may be a little bit subjective when compared to a real situation.
Great content. Brilliant! There's no spec on a manufacturer's site for ease of picking up. I've been riding for 40+ years and judge all my bikes by ease of pickup using weight as a proxy, but it seems center of mass is way more important. When the bike drops once, it usually happens that it will drop more in the near term for any number of reasons...change of focus, exhaustion, terrain. I'd rather have discomfort (on a long ride) on my 120kg 501 than have to pick up a Tenere 3 times on a tough hill. When I can't pick up my bike any longer is when I'll hang up my helmet.
super thanks!I just change my T7 for a GS1200. Fell down 3x on mud with the t7 and I practice a lot of pickup the T7. Boy this T7 is not easy to pick it up !! Glad i change for GS1200 with the angle, it will help me a lot ! Great test !! Thanks again !
Good job. This is a great way to rate the effort to pick up an adventure bike. This is an important consideration. Thanks for sharing this.
Glad you like it!
What a great idea! I almost always rode solo on adventure bikes, so being able to pick up the bike myself was very important. I rented an Africa Twin and I was terrified of dropping it because I was afraid it could be impossible to pick up myself if it fell at a bad angle and I was tired. Looks like I probably would have been fine even at a bad angle.
EXCELLENT IDEA! This is a topic that has never been put in a review. A Goldwing is surprising easy to pick up for the same reason as a GS. I am surprised about the T7 but falling over more and weight up high can make a big difference. Keep up the good work!
I did this last year with a little more accuracy. T7 was not so bad. th-cam.com/video/Ze8rsxrITTA/w-d-xo.html
One of my bikes is a KTM 1190 Adventure. If it falls without the panniers on, and a full tank - 6 top-heavy gallons, probably about 550 total - it’s close to impossible to pick-up (alone).
This was a GREAT video and confirmed what a lot of use T7 riders suspected: the T7 is kind of a pain in the butt to pick up! Now, PLEASE do a video on the best technique for picking up the T7 - I tried the technique you used in this video, and I just cannot get a good grip on my bike and I end up just picking it up by the bars - which is a like doing a set of dead lifts!
th-cam.com/video/Ph9RPumQWFc/w-d-xo.html
What a great idea . Love watching your shows . I am 69 yrs old a nd a month ago my Goldwing turned over past the crash bars in a culvert . I picked it up . It is all about method . I am 5-9 and 175 lbs . be careful using you arms and back . Legs !
Love your channel
Thanks for the video. I like the idea of the spec matrix on the website, very helpful. Do you think you could include a measurement of seat width or width between the legs? It’s not a common measurement but I find it almost as useful as seat height. The Beta & T700 are very narrow between the legs whereas I find the 790 Adv R is quite wide between the legs.
This has been very interesting as well as innovative for an m/c review series. I'm anxious to see how the HD Pam America scores. Since I'm buying my first ADV after 50+ years of Motorcycling on the street (wIth occasional "the map showed this road was paved" off road rides), it's encouraging that my new 2022 KLR will be easier to pick up than has been my 2004 Connie or especially my '94 full-dress Electra Glide!
This is a great idea! I've had many bikes (including an 1150 GS and a 1200 GS) and oddly the Tiger 800 was the hardest to pick up, I think because like the AT/T7 it fell all the way over and was weirdly top-heavy.
Thanks for info!
Another very informative video Ian. It would be good to see how the KTM 890 R would rate in your test.
13:04 your a damn genius wow, this is exactly what we've been waiting for. Hell yeah love it
Much gratitude to you Ian
Thanks for the work! I just as surprised by the T7’s difficulties to pick up compared to the others.
Might have been a bit easier to get back up if he had it in gear......
Great video and really helpful advice. But I must say your pickup technique was hard to watch. Please work on it before doing more tests. Keep up the good work! Really love your channel 👌♥️
Very useful thanks
EXCELLENT video/review, on a very important topic to Adventure riders!
Hard to put numbers on something with as many variables- we would need pounds to begin lift, and height for hand grip positions, maybe also the height of final position of hands when balance point is reached. Clearly for now the A--F grading is still VERY VALUABLE - THANKS!
Great videos
This video has made up my mind that whichever adventure bike I buy it will have a set of crash bars...
Thank You.
The most difficult part of off-roading with the r1200gs was... not off-road, not tripping 4 times, ... having to put the bike back upright on a steep road 4 times. I deeply agree with your score. Thank you for working hard to prepare the video today.
That was very helpful thank you
my pleasure
Thanks for the report, hope your back is ok after lifting that lot.
When shopping for my first adv bike / dual sport I knew I wanted to ride it like I had ridden dirt bikes in the past. Because of this the weight i would be picking up and the parts that would break on the fall were very important in my selection and ultimately lead me to my XR650l. -Which, after burying it in clay up past the axles on day 2 of ownership on a washed out county road, the weight was no worse than my CRF250x while having to wrestle it free.
Right on👍 thank you!
Thanks for the video. Biking is so subjective. But muchly appreciate your videos!
Some upgrades/suggestions:
Adequate rest recouperation time between lifts, hours not minutes. Muscle fatigue is hard to take into account and is subtle until you really feel it.
Ive seen my friends GSA’s fall completely over more times than just onto the engine guards and a GSA with a full fuel tank is exactly that, a tank.
Honda AT adventure has nice hand holds and is 528lbs wet. Not sure why every reviewer seems to use a dct?
Always drop your bike when the tank is nearly empty, lol.
Finally don’t ride alone if possible!
Great stuff
Also a good video demonstrating the need to get and stay strong. It makes everything easier and will provide a longer, safer, and and happier riding career.
yep
Kudos to you, Sir! That is helfpul. Still, my Africa Twin Adventure Sports with a full tank makes me want to keep it upright. 😎
What a great idea! This is incredibly useful, thank you! I had disregarded the GS thinking I want a motorcycle not a bus, but now I'm like hmm, interesting. I wonder how it compares to lifting up the Super Tenere?
As an aside, my R1200GS fell over to the right on an off camber stop(I was looking at the scenery and didn’t realize my R leg wasn’t near long enough). It was all the way over to the brush guard on the handlebar, I managed to lift it back up but I forgot to deploy the side stand to tip her over to the left side. It is hard to deploy once you pick the bike up. If you’re tipping the bike back over towards the side stand, put it down before you start lifting… the guy on the bike parked behind me had a great show as I struggled (and he never offered to help…😖)
Fantastic idea/subject!!! Thank you! One point: Technique should be based on bike and where, how you can grab it. Please change because you lifted all but the GS with your lower back. US older folk shouldn't/can't do that. Face the bike, use foot/knee to get it leveled up a little. Rest with it sitting on that knee higher and make sure it's in gear, access other hand holds and PUSH into the bike to lever a little higher. Use your chest to help. Once you can get both knees or one knee under and another a little back, don't lift up as much as you lever the bike away from you. Then just walk it up with legs and your chest/shoulders lying on the seat. I typically drop bike down hill, can you tell 😁
Very helpful.
Great subject and great video!
Now that you have your lifting strength training going, next subject could be "Ease of Pushing When Dead" for your aerobics!
Nice collection. Hope to see you review the Ducati desert X sometime soon.