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I like your original videw on the kick serve using the beach ball analogy, hitting from 7 to 2 o'clock on the ball and going around fit like a beach ball, I find it helps with the swing path to think about hitting towards 2:30pm not to your target! Because this make people open up too early and creating a slice.
Meike, as usual, great explanation and demonstration! I'm learning the kick serve and I my biggest takeaway is I need to stay sideways. I am pronating now on my flat serve and I was wondering if the pronation on the kick serve is the same? 4:50
I had a « good » kick serve but I had back pain and it was necessary for me to change my serve technique. I tried a lot 🤪I changed my toss, more in front, and relaxed my movement. This was good for my back and I have more power too now. But I was no more able to kick and to have a secure 2 serve that my opponent could not easy attack 🤔Now, with your advice, it is possible at new to kick without back pain ! Many, many thanks 🙏😊
You do get power on a kick serve by pronation after the contact which implies the maximum acceleration and by changing the path of the racquet not going parallel to the base line but up to 45% (advanced players) into the court. How do u think Shelton serves 130mph kick server?
The main reason is that to a good kick serve is necessaire many many hours if you have good tecnique If you dont have the base of Tennis dont go to kick serve
I always wondered why my I get my first serve back faster than I shot ityself, but my second serve generates utter garbage as return - except if my opponent knows what he's doing. Seems like my kick is quite alive and kickin'. But quite a slow second serve. That ball stick looks very nice as a tool. Is that a part of than spin stand (whose name I forgot)?
The way to make good contact with extreme toss is to have good leg drive and get in the air. But obviously it’s not for all based on their athleticism and shape.
the issue is NOT the kick, or how high it bounces....it is HOW FAR IT JUMPS F+ORWARD, toward the back or side fences. what good is a kick that the opponent just waits to drop at the service line?????? so HOW do you get pace, or distance on your kick? if you can, then you have a kick serve. my coach told me if it doesn't hit the fence...your kick failed at 4.5 level play.
How does one wait for a kick serve to drop at the service line? Maybe 4.5 tennis is different where you play, but I've never met someone at that level who can pick up an ankle-high ball at the service line and consistently get it back into play. As for your coach, he has a little point about serving at that level, but what you've relayed is extremely reductionist. Not everyone hitting a kick is a 4.5 player who needs to develop more pace and movement.
@@Einar2008 well, no not EVERYBODY is a 4.5 player...and i never suggested even close to that, or that even those being addressed to here are. what i WAS saying was that your approach to the kick serve is primitive, without any real instructions as to the additional movement or serve instruction, the outward, that is ALSO required to use....instructions are better given from the beginning. the kick serve you are teaching is really only a high-net clearance, quick to drop high percentage serve. NOT a kick. bounce should never be in the same sentence as kick alone. KICK is the amount of spin in the ball and it helps the ball kick "with pace" off the court and to somewhere....depending upon the approach to the ball and the direction intended.
Everything she explained was spot on. The only additional thing that the kick you’re after is the racket head speed. Kick serve motion is an awkward one which makes it harder to swing fast. That’s why your average rec player cannot make it kick although their motion can be perfectly correct. It takes strength and explosiveness of a pro or high level junior player.
@@watcher687 look...i follow her. i like her. but i don't even recall her mentioning racquet head speed, which, come to think of it, is weird because in no other serve is the head speed SO important. and also note that there are a great many kickserves. hell, they are all slices on the ball. even my "flat" serve has spin on it. very few can get high enough to hit down n out flat and still get the angle. the fav of mine, especially for the depth and pace and body serve, is NOT the 8 to 1 swing path BUT the 5 am to noon... straight on to morning and beyond. my old coach once told me...80 percent of your serve practices should be the kick, the most important of serves. your kick, or second, will make your first better, and you more confident. the only change i have made is the duece wide is my 80 percent practice serve now. and even that one has the experts giving horrible, contradictory lessons....curve around it... don't carve around just finish straight to post and through the side of the ball.... they ALL give different lessons and instructions.
@@paulpellico3797 So are you saying that swing speed is what she missed in her tips? But you didn’t mention that in your comments either.🤔 Anyway high swing speed is a must and how would you expect her to explain it? It’s not a video about how to swing fast.
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Hi Meike, excellent that you explained where your ball toss should be located when serving. Liked the progression drills.
Wow. This video is amazing. Practice method solved. I would like to try it again and again and again. Thank you so much.
wow! pure knowledge and simplicity
coach Meike great instruction as usual thank you so much!
Today i have tried to implement your tips in the training lesson. It works very well. Great! Greetings from 🇩🇪.
I was able to improve my topspin kick after following the progression, thank you Coach!
I like your original videw on the kick serve using the beach ball analogy, hitting from 7 to 2 o'clock on the ball and going around fit like a beach ball, I find it helps with the swing path to think about hitting towards 2:30pm not to your target! Because this make people open up too early and creating a slice.
Meike, as usual, great explanation and demonstration! I'm learning the kick serve and I my biggest takeaway is I need to stay sideways. I am pronating now on my flat serve and I was wondering if the pronation on the kick serve is the same? 4:50
The pronation is a function of the earlier stages so if you got those right you will also pronate, yes.
I had a « good » kick serve but I had back pain and it was necessary for me to change my serve technique. I tried a lot 🤪I changed my toss, more in front, and relaxed my movement. This was good for my back and I have more power too now. But I was no more able to kick and to have a secure 2 serve that my opponent could not easy attack 🤔Now, with your advice, it is possible at new to kick without back pain ! Many, many thanks 🙏😊
Great! Thank you. I have been (1000's of balls) trying to nail this for a long time. Now I know what to work on. 👍
Let me know how it goes, always good to get feedback
You do get power on a kick serve by pronation after the contact which implies the maximum acceleration and by changing the path of the racquet not going parallel to the base line but up to 45% (advanced players) into the court. How do u think Shelton serves 130mph kick server?
There is one more key factor to the kick serve. I discovered it video recording myself.
The main reason is that to a good kick serve is necessaire many many hours if you have good tecnique
If you dont have the base of Tennis dont go to kick serve
Great Lesson as always. Thanks so much. You mention flat and slice, but not topspin, wondering why ?
I always wondered why my I get my first serve back faster than I shot ityself, but my second serve generates utter garbage as return - except if my opponent knows what he's doing.
Seems like my kick is quite alive and kickin'. But quite a slow second serve.
That ball stick looks very nice as a tool. Is that a part of than spin stand (whose name I forgot)?
Yes, just removed the foot stand I believe.
I can get top spin on the serve just fine. It just don't curve 😅
What kind of court surface is this?
The way to make good contact with extreme toss is to have good leg drive and get in the air. But obviously it’s not for all based on their athleticism and shape.
the issue is NOT the kick, or how high it bounces....it is HOW FAR IT JUMPS F+ORWARD, toward the back or side fences.
what good is a kick that the opponent just waits to drop at the service line??????
so HOW do you get pace, or distance on your kick?
if you can, then you have a kick serve.
my coach told me if it doesn't hit the fence...your kick failed at 4.5 level play.
How does one wait for a kick serve to drop at the service line? Maybe 4.5 tennis is different where you play, but I've never met someone at that level who can pick up an ankle-high ball at the service line and consistently get it back into play.
As for your coach, he has a little point about serving at that level, but what you've relayed is extremely reductionist. Not everyone hitting a kick is a 4.5 player who needs to develop more pace and movement.
@@Einar2008 well, no not EVERYBODY is a 4.5 player...and i never suggested even close to that, or that even those being addressed to here are.
what i WAS saying was that your approach to the kick serve is primitive, without any real instructions as to the additional movement or serve instruction, the outward, that is ALSO required to use....instructions are better given from the beginning.
the kick serve you are teaching is really only a high-net clearance, quick to drop high percentage serve.
NOT a kick.
bounce should never be in the same sentence as kick alone.
KICK is the amount of spin in the ball and it helps the ball kick "with pace" off the court and to somewhere....depending upon the approach to the ball and the direction intended.
Everything she explained was spot on. The only additional thing that the kick you’re after is the racket head speed. Kick serve motion is an awkward one which makes it harder to swing fast. That’s why your average rec player cannot make it kick although their motion can be perfectly correct. It takes strength and explosiveness of a pro or high level junior player.
@@watcher687 look...i follow her.
i like her.
but i don't even recall her mentioning racquet head speed, which, come to think of it, is weird because in no other serve is the head speed SO important.
and also note that there are a great many kickserves.
hell, they are all slices on the ball.
even my "flat" serve has spin on it.
very few can get high enough to hit down n out flat and still get the angle.
the fav of mine, especially for the depth and pace and body serve, is NOT the 8 to 1 swing path BUT the 5 am to noon... straight on to morning and beyond.
my old coach once told me...80 percent of your serve practices should be the kick, the most important of serves. your kick, or second, will make your first better, and you more confident.
the only change i have made is the duece wide is my 80 percent practice serve now. and even that one has the experts giving horrible, contradictory lessons....curve around it... don't carve around just finish straight to post and through the side of the ball....
they ALL give different lessons and instructions.
@@paulpellico3797
So are you saying that swing speed is what she missed in her tips? But you didn’t mention that in your comments either.🤔
Anyway high swing speed is a must and how would you expect her to explain it? It’s not a video about how to swing fast.
Her kick serve didn't kick at all!