I followed the instructions especially on the back swing with racquet facing the fence. This position helps the upper brushing motion so abruptly hence the nasty kick the ball to the back fence. I practiced it this morning. I works wonderfully for kick serve. Sometimes it turns into spin serve if I forget to turn the racquet face to the fence. Excellent piece of instruction. 100% in the money!
You guys are doing an awesome job providing an affordable alternative for instruction compared to expensive club memberships or private lessons with pros.
Trying to follow and understand this slightly unusual technique, but the videography makes it very hard, the hand ; grip ; racquet face is not captured in a way the is easy to discern and mimic for the viewer, the part from 8:26 to 8:41 is not very well explained. How do I supernate with a racquet in hand to end with the racquet face facing upwards? Mark demonstrates this with his palm without a racquet in hand and suddenly the volunteer is able to make the adjustment- it is very difficult to follow. Would really appreciate if you could to a follow up video with a clearer explanation of the technique with camera work that makes it easy for the viewer to mimic. Thanks!!
The half swing in the drill is different from the full swing, and this is not explained. In the drill, the wrist is turned so that the racket face is rotated another 180 degrees from normal, so that the opposite edge is pointing toward the spine. The student doesn’t do this in the full swing. Federer doesn’t do it in his swing, either. I can’t find an example of a pro who serves like this. If the purpose of the drill is to exaggerate the motion to develop the correct feel, this should be stated clearly. As it is, it’s very confusing.
It’s based on the idea that pronation will be stronger if it starts from extreme supination. In a way you increase the range of motion or the runway if you like. But this unfortunately makes it much harder to have the right racket face angle at contact. That’s why the player in the video was hitting wildly into the net far too often. Speed is not everything.
Very good analysis. This drill looks wrong because of it. My think is that full motion is needed on every shot for true improvement, breaking shots in parts simply does not work. Maximum acceleration is the point, and for that you do not need the ball, just swing the racket in air. Hitting the ball is a test if motion is correct.
I agree, that extreme supination is a very awkward position that no pro player does. Basically with that position, the back of ones hand would be approaching the ball before the pronation, which no pro does. This may just be a progressive learning tool, but if so, it is not stated.
Good luck if you make the purchase and decide it isn’t for you. Tried to return Crush It a while ago and never heard back from customer service, despite phone calls, emails, and chat messages online. That was my first and last purchase from this company.
Hmm sorry about that dude - if you go to our website there's a chat box in the bottom right corner if you need anything. Also a phone number under the "get help" dropdown.
Good idea to watch any such explanation videos on 0.25 speed, and maybe even rewatch with pauses to see if the verbal acknowledgements, and reinforcements, actually match up with the movement achieved. What really matters with any drill is transfer of info.
I know this is really a product promo video; but we didn't actually see a "before" effort from the player; and we all know the best way to make a shaving razor ad look better is to put the foam on an already shaved face. Or in tennis terms, always choose people who can already do it. There is no discernible difference, in freeze framed screen shotted examples at the saem relative points, especially in range of external to internal rortation at hand, nor pronation in forearm, nor acceleration of racquet head. As coaches, and biomehcanists not actually in a lab, we tend to see what we want to see. These are exercises assuming the student needs increased range of motion, but the narrative is about increasing stability and motor control for better acceleration in an upward direction. the narrative also completely ignore the actual changes in lateral direction of the ball trajectory.
Dear FYB, The content is amazing! Absolutely amazing! However, even with the massive discount, the price is still far too high for people to feel comfortable paying that much, no matter if they think it will be worth it or not. Personally, with the format of how you do things, I strongly believe you would make much more, and make people feel better if you lowered the prices, even to a vastly lower price of 25$. Please take this into consideration. Yours sincerely, Gwyn,
I have a completely different approach to kick serve, this way is probably a bit limiting, as it feels more like a topspin serve instead of kick serve…
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEW :):):) oscar wegner was talking about that already in the 90s by asking to show the back of your hand to the ball !!!!!and it would even help more if the guy would take 1handed eastern backhand to do that
Would be lovely to see the coach doing demonstrations of what he wants. Can the coach actually hit a kick serve. Watching a kid struggle is not optional.
Thanks!
I followed the instructions especially on the back swing with racquet facing the fence. This position helps the upper brushing motion so abruptly hence the nasty kick the ball to the back fence. I practiced it this morning. I works wonderfully for kick serve. Sometimes it turns into spin serve if I forget to turn the racquet face to the fence. Excellent piece of instruction. 100% in the money!
You guys are doing an awesome job providing an affordable alternative for instruction compared to expensive club memberships or private lessons with pros.
loved staring at the legs during the swing demonstration. nice job camera man
Game changer Master Class kick serve🎾🏆
Great tips and information. Thank you
You're welcome!
Great tip/drill🔥🎾🔥
Trying to follow and understand this slightly unusual technique, but the videography makes it very hard, the hand ; grip ; racquet face is not captured in a way the is easy to discern and mimic for the viewer, the part from 8:26 to 8:41 is not very well explained. How do I supernate with a racquet in hand to end with the racquet face facing upwards? Mark demonstrates this with his palm without a racquet in hand and suddenly the volunteer is able to make the adjustment- it is very difficult to follow. Would really appreciate if you could to a follow up video with a clearer explanation of the technique with camera work that makes it easy for the viewer to mimic. Thanks!!
The half swing in the drill is different from the full swing, and this is not explained. In the drill, the wrist is turned so that the racket face is rotated another 180 degrees from normal, so that the opposite edge is pointing toward the spine. The student doesn’t do this in the full swing. Federer doesn’t do it in his swing, either. I can’t find an example of a pro who serves like this. If the purpose of the drill is to exaggerate the motion to develop the correct feel, this should be stated clearly. As it is, it’s very confusing.
It’s based on the idea that pronation will be stronger if it starts from extreme supination. In a way you increase the range of motion or the runway if you like. But this unfortunately makes it much harder to have the right racket face angle at contact. That’s why the player in the video was hitting wildly into the net far too often. Speed is not everything.
Very good analysis. This drill looks wrong because of it. My think is that full motion is needed on every shot for true improvement, breaking shots in parts simply does not work. Maximum acceleration is the point, and for that you do not need the ball, just swing the racket in air. Hitting the ball is a test if motion is correct.
I agree, that extreme supination is a very awkward position that no pro player does. Basically with that position, the back of ones hand would be approaching the ball before the pronation, which no pro does. This may just be a progressive learning tool, but if so, it is not stated.
Can you use the ball drill to teach the arm motion for a flat serve for beginners?
Good luck if you make the purchase and decide it isn’t for you. Tried to return Crush It a while ago and never heard back from customer service, despite phone calls, emails, and chat messages online. That was my first and last purchase from this company.
Hmm sorry about that dude - if you go to our website there's a chat box in the bottom right corner if you need anything. Also a phone number under the "get help" dropdown.
@@fuzzyyellowballsyeah, been there and done them both. Ignored via chat and phone.
Does it work?
Good idea to watch any such explanation videos on 0.25 speed, and maybe even rewatch with pauses to see if the verbal acknowledgements, and reinforcements, actually match up with the movement achieved. What really matters with any drill is transfer of info.
I know this is really a product promo video; but we didn't actually see a "before" effort from the player; and we all know the best way to make a shaving razor ad look better is to put the foam on an already shaved face. Or in tennis terms, always choose people who can already do it. There is no discernible difference, in freeze framed screen shotted examples at the saem relative points, especially in range of external to internal rortation at hand, nor pronation in forearm, nor acceleration of racquet head. As coaches, and biomehcanists not actually in a lab, we tend to see what we want to see.
These are exercises assuming the student needs increased range of motion, but the narrative is about increasing stability and motor control for better acceleration in an upward direction. the narrative also completely ignore the actual changes in lateral direction of the ball trajectory.
Dear FYB,
The content is amazing! Absolutely amazing!
However, even with the massive discount, the price is still far too high for people to feel comfortable paying that much, no matter if they think it will be worth it or not.
Personally, with the format of how you do things, I strongly believe you would make much more, and make people feel better if you lowered the prices, even to a vastly lower price of 25$.
Please take this into consideration.
Yours sincerely,
Gwyn,
I have a completely different approach to kick serve, this way is probably a bit limiting, as it feels more like a topspin serve instead of kick serve…
That’s because it is a top spin serve
Same thing
Can't see the racquet during the swing
So I have not seen one pro who has super pronation at the beginning of their racket drop, thats a first
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEW :):):) oscar wegner was talking about that already in the 90s by asking to show the back of your hand to the ball !!!!!and it would even help more if the guy would take 1handed eastern backhand to do that
he swung "into the court" because you basically told him to with that first drill. i dunno, not a fan of this drills.
Would be lovely to see the coach doing demonstrations of what he wants. Can the coach actually hit a kick serve. Watching a kid struggle is not optional.
Mark won the NCAA Div 1 dubs in 2002, so yes, he can hit a kick :-)
useless. you have to feel it all for yourself.