GIANT 3D PRINTER FROM SCRATCH MkIV - BIGGER!
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I did this entire build just to make a 3D printer that can be shared so others can make their own. There's not a single unmodified part in this design, all the parts have been modified one way or the other. If you have any questions leave them down below and I'll try to answer them here and if suitable include them in the FAQ. ivanmiranda.com/pages/big-3d-...
For more info in the components sent to me for this build:
Controller board: www.duet3d.com/
Extruder: www.bondtech.se/
Hotend: www.sliceengineering.com/
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
01:54 The base
03:36 The bridge
04:37 The bed
06:19 Smart TV for your smart TV
07:25 Bed Installation
10:35 The gantry
13:24 The carriage
14:47 Bed heater and surface
17:20 The hotend and extruder
18:24 The wiring
21:17 Print test
22:03 Printing a giant wrench
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“The CR-10 is to big for its i3 Frame design”
Ivan Miranda: Hold my Spacers!
The only foreseeable problem with large i3 printers is that companies don't wanna have to put more motors to balance out the weight
We now need "hold my spacers" merch..
I am curious to see if there will be a comment on increased wearout of the components after a few months, especially the rollers.
@@tmartin9482 tou have no move a huge bed with heavy parts on it:
Higher price (more steppers)
Higher power consumption
Higher noise
Higher vibrations
Extremely slow acceleration to not lose steps
Printer volume is bigger than a corexy or also a design like the ender 5, with the same bed size
@@ciderhat2760 Why throw more power at a problem when there are a multitude of more elegant solutions?
"How many stepper motors are in your printer?"
"*yes*"
Yes
yesser
yessest
well, there is only one Z axis motor, 4 are for the bed.
@@Fifsson_ No, dual z so 8 😅
@@ulrichkalber9039 yeassaga or kayessle
@@satibel yesssatessalessaresta
The sheer talent that it takes to design something as elegant and nice as that, build it, and have it work on the first try is absolutely astonishing. Good job!
Don't mean to break it to you, but this is the 4th attempt, as indicated by "MkIV" in the title :)
Fantastic work! If only I had the space for a beast like this...
Thanks Tom! Next version will come with its own shed
@@ivanmirandawastaken hahaha
This is bigger than my house
@@ivanmirandawastaken you could print a shed in like 20 pieces with that XD, granted pla wouldnt make a good shed material but still
@@ivanmirandawastaken how much cost these rig
I want that!
LOL, I was thinking this would be great for your projects!
Me too
Oh yes !
Please tell me you are saying this with the Bobby Duke accent!
Let's talk 😉
What about printing the Benchy Boat in XXL 😁?
🤔
Next to a "regualr" sized one?
and use it....
Benchy boat but it’s the size of an actual boat.
Prusa print benchy
Ivan prints Titanic
such an awesome project and design Ivan! 👏😎
lol u guys should do a collab
Hey! Thanks!
immagine if
@Prusa 3D by Josef Prusa replied
A truly impressive build. One of the cleanest I’ve seen on TH-cam. Love it!
It is strange that you built a monster 3D printer (with 4 revisions) and did not built another table yet!
Amazing Work!!
I like a challenge, Thanks Nicolás!
@@ivanmirandawastaken you can now print one 😁
@@joelambert-beauregard4285 i was going to say the same
it makes me happy to see how happy Ivan Miranda is making things
Making Ivan is happy Ivan. thanks!!
Next week: "Today, we are print a house!"
next year he prints Burj Khalifa. Original size.
I think the most impressive part of this build is the crazy number of individual parts you had to design and fit. Very nice!
More bigger = more better. Good job mate. 😁
Glad you guys provided the incentive!
Not going to disrupt the 69 likes... I was trying to remember how he appeared in my feed, and then, ah yes, BOM.
Couldn’t have said it better myself 😏
More bigger = More better = More viewer lol
that's what she said XD
Everyone about the previous printer: WOW, that's extremely large!
Ivan: BUT I WANT BIGGER!!!
This is simply incredible. Its so massive and the fact that you can print something so huge in just 11 hours is astounding. Im impressed.
This is absolutely incredible! I can't believe you built it and encountered no issues on your first print.
As much as I want a giant 3D printer, I don't have the room or purpose for one. But I love it just as much!
Make one the size of your room. only takes up 5cm around the walls and the whole floor is the build area
@@timonix2 This tbh :D
Would be more than 5cm on the walls, but still, who cares :D
Just build a murphy-bed and murphy-desk.
Use the rest for the printer XD
I used to say I wouldn't have use for a 3d printer, but now that I have one, it's hard to imagine not. I have a feeling that if you had one this size, you would find use for it ;)
U should get a 3d printerm.i never thought it will be this usefull
@@LoreLibrary-Official Oh I have two printers, just not a giant one.
Man, a collab between you and HexiBase would be absolutely out of this world... Just IMAGINE the subwoofer enclosures you could print on this thing..!!
You’re a fantastic engineer!! Truly impressive design and execution.
This guy would knock Prusa out the game if he had his own manufacturing company. The precision and patience needed to do what he does is unreal, nice work!
Yes! I’ve been waiting for this video ever since you posted it’s in the works
Here it is!
I have really enjoyed watching the evolution of your large scale 3D printers over the last few years. This one has very high-end fixings; a step up from the roofing bolts that you have used in the other printers! Looks really good, I expect your next printer build will be big enough to build a car, boat or house 🙂
When you really need to print two life-size astromech droids at the same time.
I love how at 21:55 - you could walk thought the calibration square. These would be awesome on the back wall to the right. Some sort of collection of calibration squares from all your printers to get a sense of how much bigger your printers have become over time! And well done, this design looks incredibly well engineered! Your "Secret to PLA on glass" video is my go-to for people, glad to see you are still on mirrors!
Ivan is the most incredible engineer and maker out there. Some channels are pretty good most of the time, and others just don't interest me, but I've been following Ivan since his first tiny shop and every video is great. This is an awesome accomplishment as well!
I am just in awe at how you managed to design and create this, Ivan!
Ivan, your videos are awesome! This one in particular piqued my interest and I decided to go ahead and try building it!
It's been a few months now, and quite the journey. The printer is up and running, on Klipper might I add, and it's printing really well!
Thank you for designing this project (and all your other ones) and sharing it with the world, I couldn't have built it without you!!
Just discovered your channel with this video. Your general good mood and interesting projects make your channel wholesome and interesting, I absolutely love it!
Wouldn't CoreXY design make more sense for such a huge volume? Moving that monstrous bed around is no joke.
What would you do? up and down bed or up and down XY ?
@@ivanmirandawastaken Up and down bed. Z moves don't need to be fast (maybe only UBL). You'd save a ton of electricity
It makes me a little crazy that Ivan spends all this time on these awesome, huge printers, but makes them bed-slingers. I think cartesian would be a better choice than CoreXY in this case -- the belts in a CoreXY printer this size would be a few meters long, making belt stretch an issue.
@@mattasmack i think most of the people when talking about coreXY don't strictly refer to true coreXY. They most likely just mean X and Y moving on the hotend, while Z is on the bed.
@@ivanmirandawastaken I'd have the bed be completely stationary and have the print head move in all three axis. That bed is so heavy that I'd be concerned about backlash and component wear, and you could make a larger square bed with the same footprint. If you make a box frame a bit like the Ender 5, but tweak the roller design I feel like you'd get a larger (which is always good) and more stable printer, that could print faster
This is why we future-proof our designs, kids
No such thing!
how do you mean that?
Because his old design was not directly depending on the size of the printer. Now he can just scale the entire printer and it still works
@@them0leisback ah okay thanks
Impresionante! Te lo has currado muchísimo. Todo a lo grande!!
Buen proyecto
Excellent work! I think a CoreXY would be very beneficial for such a large bed. Then you don't need to worry so much about the inertia of the extremely heavy bed. That would be a very large cage needed though, and the support on the bed would need to be fairly strong.
Yeah corexy would be the way to go, leave the bed and heavy parts completely stationary and make the xy gantry move up in Z as it prints. Much less moving mass, faster more stable prints.
Core-XY would be...heh...impractical for this class of printer (i.e. MASSIVE print volume) because of the extensive belt lengths you need to tension, etc. It's rough enough doing a classic bed-flinger here with this stuff. At some point he's going to hit limits on the belts that're going to call for lead-screws or rack/pinion drive solutions. At that point, he would be probably better suited with a MASSIVE Delta kinematic or a Workhorse-XL type kinematic, which is cartesian, but makes the printbed static relative to the X/Y axis and raises and lowers the X/Y gantry relative to the Z.
@@frankearl9285 yeah didnt think of the big belts stretching. rack and pinion would be really cool to see.
our big printers at work (15 x 60ft 8ft H) are dual gantry with linear rails and ball screws, one gantry is the print head with 1/2 in or 3/4 in nozzles and the second head is a 5 axis milling head for finishing. very cool machines. i belive the new one being installed now is close to 100ft long bed.
@@frankearl9285 You just up the width of the timing belts. I've seen a few 500x500mm core xy printers and they are using like 4 or 5 inch wide belts to compensate
Honestly Ivan, your huge 3D printer videos are absolutely my favorite. They're so dang cool.
Yeah!!! thanks!!
"Honey, I'm sorry...we're going to need to clear out the extra bedroom."
Honey: "Why?"
"So I saw a thing..."
Yes, but I own my own home, and have a bedroom that is my printer room.
@@mordinvan that's the way to go
@@mordinvan big brain
@@mordinvan I have a closet
Wow! I love the design work! You must be very proud of what you've created
That build and that wirering, it is so beautiful and it is true art, great work :)
Already printing it! This is gonna be fun! (and expensive)
You brilliant mad-man! That's amazing.
This is why I love this channel.
Thanks mate!
The engineering skills of Ivan are out this world. Great job!
Another impressive build Ivan! Thanks for this!
I want this so I can scale up Lego technic builds! Love it.
Now you can make that life sized Benchy everyone asks for!
I’m sure you could actually make a benchy that would float and carry one person... if anyone could, it’s Ivan Miranda!
I have never seen a video that just dose what it says it's going to do without filler!
This video style is masterful!
Also I like the 3D printer
Love your solution for locking the belt ends in the carriage!
Still watching this but, my God, amazing work!!! Only one table??? I think you can print a new one now.
I'm still trying to build your first DIY printer but $$$ is always an issue. Hopefully I can continue to learn more from your videos.
BOM sent me to you, so glad it happened. keep up the rad work!
Absolutely brilliant Ivan as alwAys. Your design looks amazing
Wow! You're magician! It's impressive how stunning and neat the project is! And it works!!! Great job man! Thanks!
17:31 the bed leveling master has finally Met his match
Bad obsession sent me, I’ve been waiting for this one!
Welcome!
Dude, this is beyond awesome, u're very perfecionist, cheers from Argentina!
Amazing design, hard work and dedication. Thank you so much. Subscribed
14:47 I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE GLASS BED I was like "wait waitWAITWAITAHH"
Soon, Ivan will build a 3D printer bigger than his workshop, and use it to print a spaceship or something.
Or something...
He'll use it to print a bigger workshop!
He could make the frame at the edges of the workshop so that the entire workshop is the printer.
@@ivanmirandawastaken yeah build a spaceship using drone technology
@@ivanmirandawastaken .... a workshop printer ... all in red, and with floats
Finally started using socket head bolts and washers instead of large Philips head bolts! AMAZING build Ivan. You did a great job filming it all. Beautiful process.
Thank you for providing the internet with amazing content!
After reading the comments, many seem to wonder why you chose a cartesian style printer instead of a Core XY. One main argument is that a core XY takes much more frame and bracing material to ensure sufficient rigidity. Also, the core XY keeps the moving print head at the top of the printer(however tall it is .5m?), this would mean that the large extruder and hot-end mounted so high up would be rocking the printer around. Anyways, I always enjoy your content, and hey, as long as it works well!
Yes, I caved and bought a lot of new screws. And yes, there's people complaining about the speed of this design, but they are thinking small. A small cube will take longer in this printer, but anything large will be really fast. This is not for miniatures, that spanner took 11 hours, around the same it would have taken to print it full diagonal in a CR-10. Thanks!!!
Love how happy you are.
NICE work. Keep it going. :)
Huh I was wondering where all the 2020 extrusion went. I was looking for some yesterday lol
Love your enthusiasm.
A printer of this size shouldn’t be a bedslinger though.
I guess it’s not stupid if it works 😉
Ths is exactly why I can't like all his new printers. I subscribed when he was still working on his CoreXY-style machine. That one made sense, and could easily build bigger. I guess these i3 style super large printers work too, but it frustrates me too see so much wasted potential.
A coreXY that size would be a nightmare. Belt lengths would be a huge issue as well as sheer size (a 350^3 barely fits through a standard door frame). Bed slingers scale up much easier with much cheaper parts. Your only loss is speed but using larger filament and nozzle sizes helps to mitigate that.
@@nocjef It all depends on how well you build your printer. Building such a huge i3 setup and getting the bed to acceptable speeds is as compilated as building a machine with the extruder on the X&Y axis. Even if you couldn't get the belts to work properly, a stationary bed with the X-axis gantry moving on z and Y, like the ginormous printer that Joel form the 3D printing nerd has, would still be easier to build than this contraption.
@@nocjef Bed slingers might as well use a Y-portal at that point, for half the size of the machine with the same useable volume. Like, yes, what Joel the 3D printing nerd has. As a bonus, that system is a lot more rigid and doesn't rely on the sheer mass of the bed to stay on the guides.
Wow! That is an amazing build. Great work!!
That’s really cool. I want to build an extreme build volume printer sometime, but I’ll probably try to go with a core xy motion because that’s a huge amount of mass to sling that bed back and forth. I’d have to do the math and see whether gantry deflection would be a bigger problem to solve, but the concept is super impressive. I love everything about it.
cool video and amazing printer!
I was wondering, is there a reason you chose those motor-couplers for the z-axis? Because, as far as i know, those are not supposed to handle axial or radial forces, but only translate the rotation. Would a stiff coupler make more sense for this application?
His builds are awesome, but I don't care for the fact he never responds to people trying to dig into his thought process on choices, such as your comment. Only comments he seems to respond to are the ones sucking his dick, so to speak. These are usually good questions worth brief explanation on why he chose what he did when there seems to be better options available.
The Binky build process lasted longer than my marriage.
I'm betting there are many marriages that will be started and be over before its finished - unless there's a tea shortage.
Absolutely amazing thank you very much for the value you provided!
Absolutely brilliant build and design. Nice job. :)
You should 3D print yourself a bigger table 😉
After he's done that, he should 3D print himself!
Can we forward this to the 3D printing Nerd and his 38K printer? :)
MUSIC LIST:
0:00 Beyond Elysium (Instrumental Version) - Wellness
2:10 This Once · Quesa
3:36 Piano for Painkillers -Matt Large
5:45 This Once · Quesa
8:32
brilliant! well done mate! 🙏🏻
WOW DUDE
BL-Touch auto-leveling on the printer be like "One eternity later"
This video is sooo satisfying to watch, keep up the good work!
Binky isn't being made out of "thin air". Rather, Project Binky is a collection of 11,420 custom made brackets stitched together to resemble a Mini. ô¿ô
Love your channel, and wheel arches, Ivan!
Oof all that aluminum extrusion just makes me think of dollar signs.
It is around $6 a meter, it is not that bad. Makergal.es
@@ivanmirandawastaken Where do you buy the extrusion? I am also from Spain and wondering if it can be bought locally.
@@ivanmirandawastaken id like to know as well
@@ivanmirandawastaken we are all wondering where you source your extrusion from.
NOOO ITS TOO BIG FOR A I3 DESING
Ivan Miranda: Haha big
3d printer go brrrrr
he's a fun guy with lots of money and sponsors but really, a bedflinger is not a good design for this size. there's a lot he doesn't know about 3d printing (like that brim he used, jesus christ!)
@@83hjf yeah i strongly agree with you he should went for a core xy desing right from the start.
@@moyu1616 CoreXY would have an issue with belt length, that's the point where you use knematics configurations from professional machines.
@@EgorKaskader what about the knematics of an ender 5? Will It work?
@@moyu1616 It's a Carthesian variant, so it should be fine. The problem with an i3 of this size stems from just the sheer mass of the bed, though, and Ender still uses Z-axis for the bed. For Y-bed like we see here, it necessitates massive amounts of power, has more inertia than quite possibly every other moving part combined, and effectively doubles the machine's footprint. Putting it on Z like on Ender 5 would require expensive leadscrews or even ball screws, but save costs on frame material, motors, and their controllers, and result in a more rigid (and thus accurate) machine overall. Using XYZ-head Carthesian could introduce unwanted vibrations, especially across the Z-axis, but would be a lot cheaper and easier than moving the bed at all, while still being more rigid and accurate than the i3-style Carthesian seen here.
I honestly first found this video when i first decided i wanted to build my own 3D printer of well a big size, and I am glad to have come across your channel not just for inspiration but also for some very interesting videos to watch.
Amazing work, I will definitely be making an order for the blueprints!
Damn that's amazingly huge!!! Love it! Question though, do you experience a lot of issues since it's so big and I'd imagine it has a lot of movement? How fast can you print without print quality suffering?
That print took roughly 11 hours and the detailing seemed decent for practical purposes to give a rough estimate ,unless you're licking your chops that much to which find out yourself you mad lad. Print volume was 1.1kg (2.42Ibs) total weight over 11 hours. That's a print weight of .1kg(.22Ibs) per hour. Honestly seems pretty fast for simple larger designs. If you have a 3d printer, compare yours against that print speed should give you an idea, percent wise, if circle jerk math is what you're after for base lines of what YOU work with.
This is so cool! Am I tripping or is the filament spool also bigger than usual?
2,3 kg
Amazing - the only word for it. Brilliant video and fantastic build.
Muy chulo el proyecto, su planteamiento, las soluciones a posibles problemas y su ejecución. ¡Enhorabuena!
International shortage of red filament, Hmmmm Ivan Miranda must have built another stupidly large printer. 😆
Also, when you say that it needs more adjustments, do you mean slicer settings or firmware suff?
Slicer settings mostly.
@@ivanmirandawastaken You should have filmed that moment entering the bed size .... I can just imagine the chuckling and Cura being like 🤔
Dunno if you edit yourself or if you have an editor, but you/he/she deserves a pat on the back! Nice editing!
You make it look so easy !!! Love the channel, including the knowledge that you share. 👍
when this started all I could think of was 1kg raft layers
what a beast of a printer, beautiful.
Nice project and well built but I'd recommend to stabilise the X-axis for the case you print in high areas and the printspeed is a little higher to avoid wobbling. Hope to see more of this incredible peace of engineering!
You keep raising the standard ..excellent work and video
Stupid question, instead of Y moving, wouldn’t it be easier to use a design a model where only Z moves? Printing head alone will have same inertia as regular size printers, you could print faster and not worry about getting knocked in the nuts by your printer. Again, I’m no expert. Just a stupid question. Maybe it was raised before.
I don't know if I understand your question correctly. For a 3D printer you will always need three axes. But yes - many big printers are cartesian, coreXY or delta types where the print head moves.
I was thinking like massive size Ender 5 (cartesian) or Sapphire (CoreXY)
@@charlesw.3245 What he means is the bed is stationary while the printhead assembly moves in X, Y and Z. And for a large printer like this I think it would be interesting to do it that way. Moving all of the bed means the total footprint needed increases a lot and the total mass of the bed and what is printed i much higher than the mass of the printhead assembly which should mean that it could move faster using much less power. Now the problem is to make something that can move in all three directions at the same time and yet stay stable with no wobble, backlash or vibrations which all would compromise the print quality.
I'm sure all those problems can be overcome, just not easily and it would probably require some pretty specialized slides and very high precision components that are pretty expensive and might not even be available as standard components. This printer was built using standard components and 3D printed parts making it a pretty cost effective design. So if you've got the space it needs, a very stable surface to place it on and don't need really high print speed I think it's a good compromise having the bed move.
I think with this conventional design would be much more simple to build, cheap, and light, and maybe he want to make the project finish faster so he choose the conventional. Also Ivan proves that the print quality with this configuration is quite decent with the cost of print time.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 3D printing nerd has shown a machine a few times that works similar to as you described, the bed stays still and the head moves in all axes. It like the 3d workstation 300 series or somethubg like that. But it has a 1 meter * 1 meter * .5 meter build volume and gets very wobbly near the top of its reach.
You’re a god damn genius and I love these videos.
Yeah!!! Thanks!!
You are absolutely inspiring. I have been dreading to begin building a voron 2.4. After seeing this I have decided to build my own printer after all. Problem is, I need a 3d printer to start building my diy one. Keep up the great work my friend. You are amazing and inspiring!
I would recommend just buying a decent one like an ender 3 at the start, i got a very complicated printer as my first one and its a pita to calibrate correctly. I can imagine a diy printer would be even worse for a beginner
cool man, i love how these machine parts are modular and build able like a lego set
Wouldn't a darwin style printer make more sense at that size due to the high inertia of the print bed?
That would depend on the weight of the final prints. At that size I would expect to see a 1mm bow in the plate at the center. He used 4 steppers for the y axis which should be strong enough to handle the inertia especially since he's using much stronger belts vs the T5s that are more common. A darwin could work and his first big printer was one.
Honestly, with this form factor, a cartesian or CoreXY moving gantry would likely be ideal. The weight of the glass and print are way higher than what the gantry needs to be given that it's just sliding around its own framing plus a hotend, some fans, cables, and cable chains. A moving bed nearly doubles the footprint of the machine as it has to hold the entire bed in front of the gantry to print at Y=0 and the entire bed behind the gantry at Y=Ymax. You could easily build a much flatter bed by using a thicker MIC6 tooling plate on a fixed bed design where bed mass doesn't matter and then put a lightweight rolling gantry like the V1Engineering Lowrider CNC design and have a faster and more compact design that could even be converted into a work table when not in use with a simple wooden cover.
@@coltonmccormack8978 Do you have the plans to the one you created? The cartesian one that you are mentioning on the comment? If so, please make a TH-cam video and let me know. If not, can you at least send me your plans and some photos? Or, you have not made it yet and are just giving advice? Peace
i dare u to make a printer large enough to print a 420 wrench in one piece
Incredible, beautiful too. Design & build are truly great. I would love to see this available in my country.
The machining and design was some of the best I've ever seen.
I can see where this i going,, printing a "bency" everyone does that... but printing a "Binky" before Rich & Nick finish theirs... youll have to get some White PLA tho :)
Well seeing how they have most things going together now they just might be able to wrap Binky around a tree this year...
SPACERS WRENCH!
Te ha quedado genial, mi enhorabuena!
what an amazingly well designed machine!