A CNC ROUTER THAT MACHINED ITSELF
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I finally did what everyone was asking for, I machined all the parts of the 3D printed CNC out of aluminium. I used both 10 mm and 6 mm flat stock to machine all the mechanical parts and then I used a lot of elbow grease to make the borders nicer. Drilled and taped al the holes by hand but I positioned them with small marks made with the CNC. Before the change was very difficult to make the walls cut by the bit perfectly vertical because of the flex of the entire structure. After the modification the walls are perfectly vertical as far as I can tell. I also reinforced the Y axis rail beams with two more vertical posts on each side and swapped the bridge aluminium beams for steel ones. An extra benefit of this change is that I can push the motors a little bit further now as the aluminium brackets help a lot with heat dissipation were the 3D printed parts melted. There are a few improvements that still can be made, like the vacuum hood which now sits too high and does almost nothing but this is now a machine that performs extremely well for my needs. Now let's thing of things that I can make with this machine or projects that I can bring back for a more metallic finish ;) Leave your ideas in the comments and I'll see what I can do.
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Your 3d printing channel is turning into a machining channel. This Old Tony would be proud.
The "This old Tony" in joke of cutting bar stock by dropping it, snapping it, or one inch punching it has become an online engineering meme that's been given a nod to by near as damn it every other engineering channel out there. The blokes a legend in this particular quirky form of comedy......... Now, just picture him paying homage to Ivan's channel by building something and saying "OK, this bearings going to need some clearance, so I'll just go turn up........ aaaaaaa SPACER !!!!!!". I think I'd laugh so hard I'd choke to death !!! :D
this old tony would cry if he saw this. this is terrible engineering. for instance, those "spacers!!" directly influence the stifness of the machine. stiffness in a milling machine is everything.
nontheless a cool project, but still the corners he cut to get it done are the tiny details that transform a decent machine to a very good machine.
@@slaapkonijn58 Considering that Ivan isn't a trained engineer, I think what he's built isn't too shabby.
As I said elsewhere on this comments page, There's a few parts where I thought "Why the hell do he do this like that ?!?!?", But I quickly realised that it's because he's come to CNC metal machining from the world of 3D printing. He's used to designing things to be "Built" one layer at a time out of plastic. It's going to take him a while to mentally adjust to this new "Material removal" way of construction.
I'm actually REALLY looking forward to see how he thinks out other projects in the future. Because he's not got the blinkers that being taught "The right way to do things" puts on us, it should be really interesting to see his alternative solutions to problems that our tunnel visioned view made us think could only be solved one way.
SO NOW THAT YOU HAVE THE ALUMINUM cnc you can make steel parts for next upgrade and after that use steel one to make titanium parts and then use ..........
It is never going to end, is it?
@@ivanmirandawastaken it will be called the Mirandisation of Machines
@@ivanmirandawastaken sorry, that is the price of being a genius inventor
GOLD - the ultimate metal is gold, one of the hardest metals known to man! (That's not true at all, but having a gold CNC machine would be so bling)
I'm willing to pay it then
Please take some advice from a former industrial mechanic:
When drilling, turn the vice in such a way that the rotating lever rests against the stand of the machine. Turn your vice 170°. That way, when the part gets caught by the drill, the drill will hopefully slip in the chuck. But not tear your hand off. Also, since no inertia can build up, way less danger of something coming loose and transforming into a turning knive.
When cutting steel (drilling, tapping) *please* use coolant. Your tools will thank you.
When filing or deburring, the working motion should be away from you. The file works like a saw. You don't pull a saw, you push it.
That being said, amazing project! Good work. I'm impressed :D
Any sort of cutting lubricant to get the chips out. Was biting my nails thinking about a broken tap.
@Tzuede Off the Cuff hahaha nothing beats experience. But well, I'm not judging you. Do it your way. Greetings from overseas.
@Tzuede Off the Cuff Japanese razer saws cut on the pull, and Western/European saws cut on the push. If I tried to cut on the push with my ryoba or my dozuki, I'd be making a file card from the broken blades and waiting for the new blades to come in.
@@Rottwiler44 Yeah, western style handsaws are torture once you've tried a good Japanese saw. I wish there were pull cut files too. Sometimes I flip them around and hold by the tip just so I can pull cut :)
Some kind of file are both-directions symetric. And... you don't know Japanese pull saws? :)
I have been watching for over a year now, Ivan, and I have to say that I enjoy my "weekly visits to my crazy cousin's maker lab." I love watching you work on these machines and learn something every time. Plus, the music is always fun. Thank you.
I think is Ivan very good at being patient when it comes to processing metal, both with and without power tools.
This looks amazing! I can already see industrial parts milled on it like gears and others!
Brilliant as always. So much drilling, cutting, tapping, filing. Loved the applause for the vice attachments. Cheers, JAYTEE
Love how you never stop improving your designs, great work.💯👍🏼
You have to be one of the most informative AND entertaining people on YT. Thank you!
Man, watching cnc routers and fdm printers do their thing is so incredibly satisfying and mezmerizing!
Some people stare into a campfire or their fishtank for a while, i loose my self in watching my printers (and maybe a cnc router in the future) do their thing
There are some pretty nice designs out there for 3D printable vice jaw covers. They have a magnet so they magnetize onto the standard jaws. I've been using them for years and they're really handy just drop them on the vise. They hold in place and you can grab something without marring it. That being said I like the ingenuity on the wood ones :-)
5 min to make wood, vs forever to print and wood is more durable.
@@clanross62 different strokes for different folks. My printed ones have held up for multiple years now and I don't have to zip tie it onto the vise. But everyone has their own way.
This is my favorite video for 2020. I am not kidding. I appreciate the time, effort and thought you put into this.
Maybe a small project idea, you seem to have the tools for it: soft jaws for your vice. 3D print some covers for the steel jaws of the vice to protect your parts. Or even remove the vice jaws and have a giant hunk of plastic to bolt there instead of the metal jaws. There's usually 2 bolts holding each jaw face on there.
This was pretty cool! Seeing a CNC machine make parts for itself. It's like the MC Escher print of the hand drawing the other hand. Life imitating art.
Ivan I love your builds and how excited you sound talking about them.
I am!
Ivan, I seriously enjoy your channel. Thanks for sharing your projects.
Incredible work! You are good with taps. I'd have broken a hundred if those things.
3D Printer -> Plastic CNC -> Metal CNC. Bravo!
I hope to do this with my 3D printers soon. You’re amazing Ivan, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise!
I ended up doing the same.
Bought a cheap Ender 3, modded that to the extent maybe 1 profile is the only thing original on the machine, then thought of building my own large 3D printer, but the main thing I disliked about most 3D printers is that they are wobbly as all hell with the tiny 2020 profiles and plastic parts.
So instead I used my upgraded Ender to build a basic benchtop CNC that can deal with aluminium.
And used that to start milling parts to build a 3D printer with larger profiles (2040/4040/4080/8080/20120, etc) and a CNC with aluminium parts where they were useful to sturdy things up.
Then I bought one of those micro lathes, upgraded the crap out of that with the CNC and now I'm using that to make new parts for the other two.
And I'm guessing once I'm done with that, I'm going to feel like neither of the 3 is capable or big enough and start building bigger and stronger versions of all 3.
I wonder if there's an endpoint in this hobby, the better you make your tools, the more ways you figure out to make your tools better and so on and so on XD
All forms of performing arts, including mechanical sciences, are always such a pleasure to watch.
Can't wait to se what kind of monstrosities you create with this beast!! So excite!!!
Thanks Welbot!
ok man how is it you kept my eyes on the video the entire 25 minutes? You're real good
It's been great watching you grow from a small cupboard to a full workshop
I think the next stage is to cnc a mill, then mill the tools to make a 3d printer by hand, and so on ad infinitum
I'm calling it now. Ivan is working up to building a 5-axis cnc mill.
Amazing! Top notch work here! I don’t know why but I suddenly NEED to be able to machine aluminum...NEED! Appreciate your hard work!
Wonderful build- love it!
Really nice to see you not wasting some of the metal and putting it aside!
Interesting dust shoe design. The downdraught of the router is carried away through the tube. So nothing is blown all over the shop. I've bought a watercooled spindle to get over that, hopefully my dustshoe will then be more effective. Great channel, love your thinking!
Usually to clean edges of parts up from break off tabs we use a die grinder with various sanding bits. we also use a deburing knife to clean all the sharp edges if there was not a chamfer used. The upgrade looks good. interested to see what you shall make next with it.
Way to go Ivan as usual another awesome build. Thanks from Canada
MIND BLOWING! GREAT JOB!! 4 axis, Water-cooled Spindle next?
so much planning, skill and knowledge!
Nice work. I like the leadscrew mount for the Z axis
That is a huge amount of efforts, awesome!
The editing of this video is superb.
Ivan, if you added a mdf web or “diaphragm” between the steel tubes of the gantry it would stiffen it considerably. Maybe dampen vibration as well. You could add one vertically or add them horizontally and at 45 degrees to make a space frame. That would provide torsional rigidly as well. Or you could 3D print truss webbing. Probably not quite as stiff or dampening.
Maybe do a video testing if it does stiffen the gantry?
Awesome build by the way!
Outstanding project! And so many steps done by hand, with precision and dedication to every detail!
I wonder if it would be possible to make an all in one motion system with all the knowledge you have acquired with your builds. The linar rails and all metal construction would be perfect, I'd just change the design of the Z-axis to something like the Lowrider CNC does: Two screw drives on the outside of the machine, which can move below the table surface. That way, the Z height is only restricted by the table height, and you could install a heated bed and an extruder and have a large printer (Vulcan extruder?). Some kind of quick swap mounting system with only a few screws or clips, and you got yourself a capable machine for almost any task, you could even mount a laser and a stepper driven rotary chuck for machining round stuff! Just an idea to save some workshop space :)
Very cool project! Your drag chain could go the other way so that it unwinds as the machine moves left (the bottom part remains stationary) ☺️
Amazing as always. Bravo!
Well done Ivan, that's very impressive. It'll be very useful I'm sure.
18:49 These 4 long bolts have nothing stopping them from becoming loose over time from the base end.
Or Pillow Block Flange Mounted Bearing?
Amazing work! Love it!!
Wow! my favorite way to CNC the parts. Should show this vid to all my files, drills, grinders and jacksaws, too cheer it up! =)
Great job ! This turned out great, but I'm actually surprised that the bit didn't break from the big plunges at the start.
you now need to get some unobtainium and CNC that :) awesome build and video thanks heaps for sharing.
Fantastic Ivan!!! I am half way through making your CNC and will accept your challenge to make the aluminum update,,, thankyou.
You should put some squares (triangular ones for instance, like the ones that support the gantry) at the corners of your plate and on the gantry also,. That will severely increase rigidity
Good to see the new drill in use!
Yes! What a beast!
This is amazing. And no youpube commercials to sit through. Subed, thank you very much.
Great progression👍
Thanks!
Very cool upgrade!
I remember commenting on his first cnc machine saying something like: Great now you can use your 3d printed cnc to build a metal one. And here we are 😉🙌👌
Now lets upgrade it with some ball screws instead of belts 😏
It is all your fault
@@ivanmirandawastaken 😂 Thats what i like about you. You actually do it. most people including me only talk about it while ending up watching youtube vids instead. You inspire me to upgrade my own mpcnc so thats what i'll do! 🙌
Grande Ivan! 💪 Muito bom o vídeo!
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the CNC bit isn't completely perpendicular to the workpiece, is it? At least, I'd say that's the reason for the very clear patterns you can see on the finished metal wrench
Good eye! The top and bottom router mounts aren't equal and the router is tilted, I luckily I used the walls along the Y to judge the straightness of the cuts but yes, I need to redo those two parts so the router is orthogonal to the workpiece. As a funny side note, the router was originally tilted the other way due to the 3D printed parts giving to the weight of the router. Thanks! edit: I just realised that after finishing editing the video.
@@ivanmirandawastaken Quick recommendation: Check out the "Everman belt drive". It could be a cheap upgrade that would significantly reduce the deflection caused by the belts, and reduce the tension needed on the whole belt.
@@ivanmirandawastaken would it be easier to cut out a traming plate to fit your existing bolt pattern?
@@ivanmirandawastaken make adjustable, because over time.......
@Ivan Miranda, redesign the carriage so that you can tram the mill to the workpiece. It's not a 3d printer that you're building here. Tram matters!
Congratulations, it is beautiful.
That belt tensioner is a piece of art😮🤯
wow this is an insane amount of work!
After designing and building 3 CNC mills + routers I would do just one thing different from what I see here. Start by making all of your flat aluminum components out of either MDF ( aka Medite ) or furniture grade plywood as accurately as you can. Assembly your machine as accurately as possible and really tune it up. Now you have a decent CNC router that will make very high quality aluminum parts which you can make one by one to replace your temporary MDF parts. A true bootstrap operation.
If you connect the Steel rods in the middle you will increase the stiffness a Lot.
Great Project. I gave up optimizing my mpcnc. Good decision when i See the amount of Work.
now you can CNC a steel 5 axis CNC🤣
this is the biggest flex yet, and the ultimate goal of every maker lol, nicely done!
nice bootstrap upgrade...
now you need coolant spraying ;-)
excellent work, glad to see I'm not the only one who doesn't check fits before assembly .:-)
You should make the system rack and pinion. I believe this is how most DIY CNC's are built since it adds rigidity when machining
Hi there! You can save a LOT of filing time with a Scotchbrite grinding wheel. Get the grey ones for aluminum and steel, mount on a bench grinder and have a go. :-)
RESPECT! Awesome job!
Love the wooden vise jaws.
Un grandísimo trabajo! Paso a paso partiendo de una impresora 3d conseguiste construir una CNC impresionante a un precio contenido. Algún día replicaré algo parecido!
What a beatiful period of life, when your work is your inspiration and a hobby in one thing. This videos schould be called "UPLIFLING CONSTRUCTION" =)
This is really impressive work you have done here. Im very tempted to build one like this :-)
Would love to see another how-to like your 3d printer. Great work, time to make an aluminum tank next.
Stepper motors can get very, very hot, PLA softens at temperatures as low as 60º. You could have pulled it off if you had used filaments with higher melting temperatures. But nothing beats a full metal cnc, the rigidity is just so much better.
I pulled it off
Fascinating bootstrapping. 3d printer makes cnc plastic parts, cnc makes alu parts for itself. What's next, cnc makes 3d printer parts? Great job! Very inspiring.
Now CNC a plastic CNC machine out of a big block of PLA! Great vid as always!
Imagine the RC tanks with an aluminum chasis. Dope
Yes!
I'm thinking, imagine then with aluminum treads ;)
I hope i didnt accidentally revealed a spoiler. Heheheh
Incredible build!
It's very clever update!!
I was really expecting a "so.. lets put it back together" at 2:30 :D
Amazing work Ivan. I have wanted to get into CNC for years and this might finally get me into it.
congratulations I bought the project I wanted to know if the imperial reduction is better?
Iteration is a powerful tool of discovery.
May I suggest also trying Recursion and Abstraction?
Recursion is list iteration with a list having the possibility to include the same list or another list as one of the items in your list. Thanks.
great job on the video, love the music, sound, shot selection, editing, scripting and much more. Keep up the good work.
SPACERS! Great video Ivan! great passion
Spacers!!
I'm enjoying this series so much.
Awesome! Alucinante! Mejoras para mejoras, yeah!
Nice! Now, try and use the mill like it should be used: spiral down to a nice depth, 8mm or something like that. Now, cut with the SIDE of the bit, instead of the end. So, at full depth, just take off 1mm at a time. The adaptive clearing function in fusion is perfect to do this. With the right speeds and feeds, you should get beautiful chips flying of the bit instead of powder.
BTW, a fogbuster is a great addition too. Keep up the good work!
@Tzuede Off the Cuff didn't you see the machine milling at full depth, full pass without anything really going wrong? That's quite an indication that this machine has the capability to do some serious milling:)
The pain, why do you let it run when it fails! I will have a hard time sleeping efter seeing that :) Great job on the metal CNC.
It is called multitasking, or not paying attention to the right thing 😅 Thanks!
Take off glows all time when you working on column drill !!!!! "Master"
Next will be a CNC'd Plasma cutter used to plasma cut steel parts for a new CNC
That actually would not be a hard mod as you only need to get a plasma cutter.
OK, now This Old Tony' videos makes sense.
To machine metal: step one is build a time machine😎
Seriously, I love the fact that you used your CNC to improve your CNC!
Love your energy man :D Great videos as always
Always excited when a new video drops. 👍
Yay!
Great work my friend. Very nice machine :-)
Awesome video, thanks for sharing! What kind of saw are you using to cut the aluminium profiles?
That was a considerable upgrade.
A very useful one indeed!
You are great, you are really good thanks for the advice...
Beautiful video. Love it.
I would add a tub and water pump to keep the metal cool and to remove metal particles from the work project. Add a filtering screen to protect the pump. Another benefit to keeping the bit cool is that they will last longer and prevent dulling.
Great video. Nice you're expanding your material choices. Great engineering. Obviously you put a lot of thought into which materials to use. I see a welder in your future. : ) Mahalo for sharing! : )
I want to do the same as you, start with 3d printed parts fir the CNC and after do in aluminium the parts to replace the 3d printed parts!
Yesssss new drill!
Very nice. Love the machine
Ojalá tuviera tiempo para hacerme una CNC de estas :) Mola un montón!