China builds new water battery to power entire electrical grids
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 พ.ค. 2024
- Researchers have developed a revolutionary battery with more than twice the energy density of lithium-ion batteries. At scale, these batteries can be employed across electrical grids, as backup systems for power plants.
Resources and links:
Chinese scientists create ‘water battery’ that can hold much more energy than lithium cells: study
www.scmp.com/news/china/scien...
China’s water battery has almost double energy capacity than lithium cells
interestingengineering.com/en...
Academic / Scientific abstract, Reversible multielectron transfer I−/IO3− cathode enabled by a hetero-halogen electrolyte for high-energy-density aqueous batteries
www.nature.com/articles/s4156... - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I just was in China, went all over the country. I saw ev chargers everywhere, electric scooters everywhere, solar panels and wind mills. Every building in the cities has neon lights all over it which are lit all night. The country has electrical needs well met.
9 million chargers across the country
It really was amazing to see they had electrified very old bicycles and tricycles as well.
What do you think about videos named "demise of China" "China's collapse" and such that are usually made by Anglo-Saxons?
@@Ludak021 not just made by AngloSax but also lots of Chinese as well. Lol
@@Ludak021they want to believe those headlines and narratives, let them be happy with themselves, why not?
China had been such a technologically backward country for so long that it is heart-warming to see the blossoming of its technological prowess these days. What’s even more heart-warming is the fact that Chins is sharing its technological advances with the rest of the world in a way that benefits the people from the developing world.
It does that by delivering affordable and quality products to consumers. And it does that by helping countries with their physical and digital infrastructure.
In stark contrast, the US, of which I’m a citizen of, is hellbent to “export” chaos, conflicts, hysteria, divisiveness and wars around the world.
A tale of two nations.
Imagine when Africa has the same infrastructure of China? It’s getting there but a lot of obstacles being thrown in the way by parties who don’t want this to happen
Not forgetting US murder, killing innocent children, parents, etc hegemony at work.@alanc457
Speaking facts.
OMG! Have you got a shock coming.. i feel so sorry for your country for the future.. good luck
China was home to the greatest inventions in the history of mankind, from the camera obscura to the printing press. Then the British infested its youth with drugs, and when the leadership decided to put a stop on that, we had the Opium Wars that took China back, again. China comes back to take it rightful place among the most civilized nations. More than that, it's on its way to establishing a multinational new world order.
It's funny how Americans say China is not innovative...I sure as heck haven't seen anything like this over here.
Americans are going to say they stole the technology from them .😂
@@jessicayoung1190if so, why the heck they didn’t use it for their own benefit 😂
You’ve seen nothing yet. The past 20 years is just the demographic dividend from China. What’s coming next is the engineer dividend, 6 million STEM engineering graduates per year from China.
It will be felt everywhere around the world.
@@jessicayoung1190 They even say China steal the technology that US doesn’t have yet but will have in the future.
It is just how the elites of the white population works. they truly have no capable intelligence to compete...
Good for off grid or camping, travelling, bad weather way to go thumps up to China
I love your videos and objectivity in them
Amazing technology…incredible innovation!!!
The Chinese do things that "Westerners" think is impossible. Another example is UHV DC power transmission.
The one thing China will never surpass U$A is the ability to produce hot air!
@@monipenny408China will surely not produce valueless things particularly 'hot air ' 😂
Do you know when China was planning to build the railway line to Tibet Lhasa city a few decades ago. Westerners and Indians so called engineers and railway experts were laughing at China and saying it will never be possible to build a rail line on such a high mountain more than 4000 meters above seawater level.
They were saying the change of weather and the extremely cold temperature the railway track will not withstand the heavy loads of the train to run on it. It will crack and break. But China has already completed the Tibet railway line more than 20 years ago and is still running daily today without any problem.
They said China can't innovate, but throughout Chinese history you have a lot of innovation, like paper making, clock work, gunpowder, printing press, rockets, etc.
Chinese invented not just innovated.
@@vegamoonlight Right, Chinese invented those things, and countless other things I didn't mention. It is a 5,000 year old civilization, the oldest in the world.
@@Ace1000ks19751982Kinda disagree with the last statement...
Egypt, Africa is older
@@V20758 That true.
Also the gun itself, they called them fire-lance.
China is working on the mega total power grid for the entire Asia and beyond where abundant local resources are connected to this mega power grid - great concept!
I love how your videos are always to the point and backed up with sources.
Kevin’s videos have the highest signal-to-noise ratios, when time is considered, of any YTs.
Currently unsubscribing from channels which only publish videos >30-35 minutes. Poor use of time and mental bandwidth especially channels with excessive ads.
So who did China copy this time?
Batteries used in telegraph transmission in 1860's used salt and water.
You are the best. NIO helping the grid from their power stations.
Thanks Bro 😃👊
Thank you. I enjoy your videos. Also enjoy videos by Brian Berletic, Sean Foo and also Bald and Bankrupt. 😊
Seems to be a theme where bald or bald-ing YTers are nicest to listen to!
Love Garland Nixon Neutrality studies the Duran Dialogue works & awakening
Undergraduate degree (four years including electrochemistry) in chemistry here. We have had high energy density aqueous batteries for decades but largely shifted to lower density rechargeable solid state batteries because of the electrode problems that always dog anodes and cathodes in aqueous solutions. The trade-offs are always there. Solid state lithium batteries are indeed lower density but don’t have the plethora of problems (e.g., side reactions, passivization, parasitic reactions, electrode corrosion, gas evolution, very heavy, and intercalations) seen in aqueous batteries the more you recycle them (discharging/recharging). Any utility-scale batteries will needed to be recycled thousands and thousands of times. Aqueous batteries don’t fare well with that. Aqueous batteries move charge by actual movement of electrolytes which is a relatively slow dispatch. Mr. Walmsley, I suspect you are neither a chemist nor a chemical engineer, so I would not expect you to know that grid voltage, current, and frequency are generally kept within plus/minus 3-5% by rapid dispatch energy storage devices like capacitors, inductors, and inertial movement. I am willing to be persuaded, but I have a hard time understanding how iodine, bromine, and cadmium are going to change the Laws of Physics and electrochemistry.
He's a financial analyst, not a chemist.
Agreed, though solid state batteries have their electrode problems too. We are always chasing the perfect electrode and half reactions pairing anyway. The question really is whether we can scale it up safely and efficiently so it makes practical sense. At grid level, aqueous battery might make sense if it is cheap and easy enough to recycled out the electrode and electrolytes whenever required, but then you can also just switch out cells of solid state batteries for recycling.
You have too many no’s as an engineer. In China they don’t take no as an answer and find ways to overcome technical challenges
I believe your arguments are valid. And I also believe that the researchers cited in the Chinese report are just trying to get new financing. Potentially, the CCP could be using this news to prop up China's image in the electrification industry.
State Grid (China) is building d most advanced power grid in this world.
Correct pronunciation, dude. 👏
Hydro power is a battery in itself. My state uses hydro power to fill in for short comings in wind and solar energy.
Love the podcasts!
Thanks man. Many channels covered this news. Only you shared the link to actual research article.
learn new things every day，thank you Kevin
First missiles powered by AquLox now this. Wow!
Blackouts only really occur when power generation (or transmission) completely fails. When power generation lags demand by a small amount, you first get a "brownout" situation, not a blackout. Instead of getting 120V, you'll get 115V or 110V. This can be measured in real time, and nuclear and "peaker" plants adjust to compensate, also on the demand side, where residential appliances may be temporarily shut down to protect industrial delivery. Having more storage helps flatten this out, giving more time to react smoothly.
brown outs are the worst.
Until the Petrodollar dies there is no prospect for cheap energy.
Thanks Kevin
It would be a small Miracle to have them here on Long Island!
One problem: batteries produce DC and conversion to AC is very INEFFICIENT.
Thank you for educating us on the reality of things.
We still need a better explanation of the Technology. - T
Why on Earth do they keep building coal powered energy when they have this new water battery technology?!
If it’s high density, it should be applicable to everywhere!
That's great, I wonder how it works?
It's aqueous based, so it uses water to dissolve the electrolytes. The stuff that actually store the charges and thus the energy are the electrolytes. The water is there to act as a stage where the electrochemistry can take place. It is not the water that does the electrochemistry. I read the abstract of the paper briefly and it is iodine/iodate doped with bromine at high concentration at the cathode side, and cadmium at the anode side. The results are encouraging because it can have no less than 72% energy efficiency meaning it will at most loses 38% of the energy it originally input into the battery. Higher energy efficiency is likely to be achievable if this is commercialized. It has also very high energy density and higher than typical Li-ion battery.
The concern I have is that they use Cd/Cd2+ for the anode reaction, which means we still have to deal with Cd which is toxic to the environment and humans. If they can use a less toxic alternative, then this has very good potential to be easily scaled up and act as a large energy storage at utility level. Since for the grid, you only need the battery to sit there and not move and most likely you can have land to let them sit there, you don't have to worry about weight, size and mobility of the battery like you have to in an EV.
I've seen too many of China's science "achievements" to immediately rejoice in this little gem. Maybe and hopefully this announcement this time is the real deal, but too often they've turned out to be pure fantasy. I'm not holding my breath.
Cherry blossom in Xizang.
I think President Biden must ask Ja-Rule what he thinks of the issue.
We are back on top !
Fantastic to hear that China is constantly improving their infrastructures by means of introducing and innovating from R&D to better the lives of the Chinese people in Motherland, China. Hopefully, China may introduce this Water Battery Storage Technology around other Countries/Nations that are underdeveloped and heavily needed to ease their livelihood in their daily living. 👍🙏🙂
Great to hear about about new ways to store electrical energy. This is absolutely essential for moving away from fossil fuels.
water doesn't hold electricity very well, it's a ground conductor meaning as a ground when it touches another ground it 100% discharges as fast as a lightning bolt and blows fuses and resistors like they are bombs. i've seen it happen many times, and it's almost as loud as the u.s.s new jersey firing it's main gun of 406mm
You think that has been ignored, are you for real? Problems are there to be solved or we would still be rubbing two boy scouts together to start a fire, right?
be good
Go china. 👏👏
What about etheral energy
Sounds like an investment opportunity for you.
What has happened with tidal hydroelectric power?? I don't hear much about it these days. Tides contain staggeringly enormous power and since the moon seems to be predictably in its orbiting the earth, tides are infinitely more reliable than wind, solar, or rivers; the main problems being cost and diurnal shift in output necessitating storage (batteries) to be really practical.
Installation cost and other issues are high, however China seems undaunted by difficult and seemingly insurmountable problems.
all the hype about this and that for power.... if one cannot make money (feasibility) then it is a hype.
Tidal energy capture is difficult. It's much easier to capture solar and wind, so they're doing that first.
Beautifully sculpted view. Sorry, back in focus now. Grid level is the money shot for me. I hope they are able to get this off the ground, the energy saving could be a gift to the entire world economy.
Kevin I look forward to the days where you can pronounce our cities without funny accents abd expressions. All good bro.
Too trivial to worry about.
He did Tibet correctly.
@@user-qd8yg1fp7i chalk one up for Kevin :)
This “new” technology has been in development for over decades.
Only china seems to be investing in those technologies.
Does it mean one day i can say my runs on water?😂😂
Despite a lot of anti China rhetoric, you have to give them credit for innovation and being bold enough to make decisions that will affect present and future energy requirements. Their car industry is rapidly developing into world leading technology. It would be great to see them being less dependent on fossil fuel in the near future though.
Great idea. I'll believe it works when I see it employed at the levels they claim. I've heard this shit regarding various designs over the years, but have yet to see it implemented.
Your conflating lithium ion and lithium iron. Iron are no where near as dangerous as ion
You could not pay me to own the Tesla car with Present batteries I’m scared of my phone in my pocket
Can the batteries handle sub freezing temperatures?
Probably not just yet, but they sure are working on that issue now 😂
Why don't you read the article from nature. It's geek speak 😂
👍👍😃😃😃👍👍
cia and black rock wants to speak to these chinese scientists.
They will be pushed back.
I think this is clearly beyond your knowledge level.
Tibet ==> Xizang
So, which western technology have they stolen this time around? Please, someone tell me?
tofu electrolyte is promising
Face reality or blank all positive things in China by calling it tofu. That's call "burying your head in the sand". suddenly you wake up to 45000km of high speed rail, 5.5 G fast WiFi, 90%dominance in rare earth and BioTech, dominant EV sales.. yes,if you prefer to call it tofu, suit yourself and indulge in old technology.rest of us speed ahead
Love your videos, but can you drop the religion stuff?
Totally not AI generated propaganda! Misinformation ahoy!
No substance at all ? What is the batt, what is scientific basis? Just a propaganda video. Citing reference to othe content writer's link who eitherhave 0 knowledge or write only for money.
OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW EVERY CHINESE IS A SMART AMALGAM OF EINSTEIN AND OPENHEIMER, SO WHAT IS NEW?
Don't like it don't watch.
Feed your people indian
Except for 300 - 400 million living in the countryside where early childhood education is not an option...
@@billhammett174 300 million lol have you been to China
@@billhammett174 don't compare China with india
We keep hearing about all these imaginary battery technologies, but they’re not in any new electric cars believe something like this when I actually see the technology put in the passenger vehicle that I drive past every day I can run my car off hopes and dreams too not just water You know they had a water running car back in the day and the dude got killed off by the oil companies, but they had an actual car that could run off of water but it never showed up. What do you think of water powered batteries those people might have a hit put out on them to.
Obviously the technology is at the upstart stage, size wise and application wise, wouldn’t it make sense for now?😂
Sodium ion batteries are in cars. Both BYD and CATL make these batteries. The water batteries appear to be focused on large installations to provide power capacity for solar and wind, not for cars.
They may exist. They just can't be deployed without prohibitive costs.
Electric cars started with lead-acid 100+ years ago, then moved to NiMH in the GM EV1, before the Lithium packs in the Tesla Roadster. Now, Lithium Iron Phosphate is mainstream with Sodium carving out a niche. In a decade, these batteries might find a use.
That's a whole lot of "maybes," "will bes," and "may be possible."
Come back when the thing is working at scale.
Until then, I call bullshit.
Is this a good idea considering how scarce water is becoming? Based on the research drinkable water level quality will be needed...
You think China is a desert or something?
Huh? You don't potable water for batteries. Plenty in the ocean that only needs to be desalinized to acceptable levels.
@@DailyBeatingswater treatment technology is the solution.
@@sinic1978 Absolutely, and depending on the source desalinization is a treatment solution.
Producing batteries need water too, maybe more water used for ordinary batteries.
Completely without information, what a waste of time.
So BS.