@@diego432hz Probably because a different section of the front wheel is in contact with the pavement. He's not saying leaning does not help, just that it does not help as much as MJ claims. The radius is maybe 10% less, nothing to write home about.
I'm not going to say anything about other instructors videos, but what I will say is I'm a much better and safer and confident rider because of your videos 😊
I’ve met MotoJitsu in person. Good rider, but very arrogant and rude. Try to criticize anything he does or suggest anything… Unsubscribed from his channel a while back. I get everything I need here.
MotoShihtzu constantly deletes any comment that suggest he's not MotoJesus, it's why every comment section on every video is just like those websites that only have 5 star reviews. It's all fake.
Moto Control continues to be one of the most technically-accurate motorcycle riding technique channels on TH-cam. No BS, no dogma, no speculation. Just cold hard analysis and facts.
So I follow both of these channels. I've been riding all my life and do drills as prescribed- by both of these professionals- and pick something up every time I practice- from both. These two gentlemen have different perspectives on the same topic but honestly, I do not see error in either approach- MotoJitsu has a heavy underlying tone of taking control of your bike, making it your own, comprehending the forces and demonstrating the "room" you develop (comfort level) when you take a drill out of street context and do it simply to alleviate your fears and misunderstandings about the physics of riding. That is a good thing. Moto Control, I feel is a more street literal style of professional riding and training, helping you develop equally solid discipline on the bike without some of the approaches demonstrated by MotoJitsu. Thank God, or they'd be saying the same thing most of the time and I'd have to choose. Everyone should have respect here, and if one points out something regarding the other, don't be quick to judge, they are both trying to do the right thing by their audiences. We should all have respect, and this is respectfully submitted. Ride in Peace LOL
It feels like the real difference between his vertical example and yours was that he was keeping balance with steering inputs, and you were doing so with speed control, which is kinda what you want to learn anyway. If you have good clutch/speed control, you can turn at any speed instead of NEEDING to speed up to make sharp turns.
Turning full lock very slowly both directions is a part of the maneuvering test to get you license in Sweden. I cannot believe you have relatively few views. You are great a explaining and showing many things from beginner tips to advanced.
Mothitsuwhatsit got upset when he posted a vid and a number of trained Advanced riders pointed out he was doing it wrong. He shut down comments for a couple of months. One thing Advanced riders know is that you are always learning, he cant cope with it. Great vid.
According to Jitsu advanced riders do not exist. There are only pro racers, cops, 8th graders, whitebelts, wannabees and Greg himself. Advanced riders that have been riding longer than him, are obviously all liars.
Haha yes I've seen this as well, comments on every video criticizing his teachings and then when he tried to call them bad riders they uploaded videos of them professionally racing before he turned his comments off 😂
Motojitsu is a hack, period. Way back, when he himself was still learning, he made good points for beginners, but once he began this whole "belt" thing and began improving as a rider he became arrogant, and dismissive of riders that are real professionals(not just some person with a youtube channel), and riders like myself, with dozens of years more experience than him.
Guy is incredibly fragile and soft, it worries me when people try to excuse his childishness by saying he's a former marine, as if that's a good reason to lash out nonsensically when you're wrong.
It really shows, and HE keeps showing off as if he was THE "motorcycle god" in the US. Considering the average level of American riders, which I was able to observe while riding the Route 66 from Chicago to LA in 2013, he's just the one-eyed man in the expression "In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king". En français, on dirait qu'il a pris la grosse tête.
He's struggling to find ideas because he's not a smart guy. He's a loudmouth who uploads a lot. That impresses some people, and it doesn't impress other people.
@@philipperoche2577 Exactly. I’ve said this before. He’s fairly competent by their standards, which is very low. Not to mention his tips and ideas are generally unfounded and could mislead someone who knows very little into getting themselves into a situation. It wouldn’t be so bad if he pointed out that it was ‘his own approach and just an idea’ as opposed to ‘this is how it must be done!’ And then not being able to handle comments. He has none of the attributes of a true motorcyclist or proper instructor.
Motojitsu is not even close to your riding level of experience. His slow speed manoeuvres are obviously not quite as advanced as yours. This is by far the best channel for motorcycle riding tips and techniques. Thats all you need! One good channel and this is it!
@@mortaljorma69you're clearly not aware of the fact that Andrey can do the same with any bike. He doesn't need to prove anything. Also, yeah, it's exactly the same. It's not about body weight or strength.
@@mortaljorma69 greg will say the bike doesn't mater.... Heres the thing, greg isn't doing this stuff in a real world application, he's doing it in a carpark.
@@mygi43543 he also failed to do it on the gsxr he had not that long ago. And sold it after a lot of people requested him to do his own exercises with that bike.
Motojitsu's method of slow riding is to ride fast. Which is a really weird conclusion to come to, since the whole point of the exercise is to drive slow. Moto Control bringing the correct solution as usual.
yea. When I pointed out that the slow speed test to get a license over here requires you to go below 5 km/h the whole time, he just brushed it off with "who cares". His method would just make me fail the test.
@@aabe4327 Where are you licensed? When I got mine in Australia, many years ago, we were required to do a "slow" test in a straight line. Cornering, box stops and braking were tested at 25kmh. I very nearly crashed on the cornering test, too!
@@aabe4327 If you lean the bike enough at 7 mph...you'd still be able to do a 15foot u turn. Greg has proven that time and time again. Show me proof that ANY normal ( we're not talking motor officer btw and even then..15 foot its plenty tight enough ) license test is harder than that level of turn for the every day joe and jane and that the only way to clear it is 3 to 5 mph speeds where you can't lean the bike and only do counter balancing or can't lean the bike more than 10% or 10 degrees and STILL make a sub 16 foot turn Guess what? Not even on my cb500x can that be done WITHOUT leaning the bike..some. Also Bret Tkacs has PROVEN my point accurate. Go ahead...argue with him...He's just as good a boss at riding both on road AND offroad.
Nah mate, my spanish test already included a weave where either you lean the bike or cannot pass. Why? Because it is the most effective turning strategy . Can you get away with turning straight up? Yes in many cases (and sometimes for sure it is needed) but it does not mean that you know how to control your bike properly and probably fear leaning the bike at slower speeds.
Exactly!..🤦♂️ In Sweden, no matter how big the bike is, the slow speed test will fail if you go faster than 5 km/h. He do fast maneuver exercises, not really useful in trafic situations.. I stopped watching Motojitsu's videos years ago.
MotoJitsu and MotoControl can both be right at the same time. The devil is in the detail. Crawling at 2mph is DEFINITELY harder to control. Pick up some speed and it becomes a breeze. Motojitsu is right, but so is Andrei.
Leaning a bike is so much harder to do slow than fast. What MJ is saying is an advance skill. No beginner rider will be able to do that and yet he is saying it is the mistake beginner riders always make.
I wish I would've read this BEFORE I posted my comment. "You kinda sorta proved Motojitsu right. Notice the complexity of throttle/clutch control along with a higher degree of balance required with the slower circle vs. the faster circle? Tight rope walking is possible, but that doesn't mean the average person can master it. If it's easier to do it at a faster pace, then why not teach it that way?"
@@Stacy_Smith in japan for a 401cc and up license you need to be able to balance on a beam for 9 seconds or more and its not that long of a beam lol. ask me how i know.
That super slow turn at full lock while keeping the bike perfectly straight up is such a flex on how good your bike control is. It’s so hard to do that without moving the bars at all to balance. Edit: spelling
That's why you keep the rpm's up. Listen to how high he is revving. The rotational mass has a gyroscopic effect and does most of the work on keeping the bike upright. Clutch control = bike control. Its counter intuitive but you give it more gas at slow speed around 2500rpm and control speed with clutch and rear brake. You can also see it in the video. Look at his right hand. Completely on the throttle not a finger on the front brake. Watch is right foot warble to help him keep the speed reigned in.
In some countries , to do this is a requirement to obtain driver/rider license. Fail to do so means you lack training and they'll send you back to Leaner program. If this is a flex , probably at learner level of said countries.
@@Coffeeteabike what country requires the rider to move at less than 1mph with the feet up at full steering lock, only controlling the balance of the bike with the clutch and footbrake just to obtain a license?
I think you are by far the best channel out there and have helped me so much as someone who's only had his license for about 8 months now (and 4 of them being winter months where I couldn't ride). My goal for this year is to watch all your videos and take notes. On that note: Could you please do a video about emergency braking in corners (so coming to a full stop fast while cornering/leaning)? Thank you!
Watching the upright locked turns of both riders showed me who is better. Moto Control knows his gray zone and stayed in it to balance. It was beautiful! MJ wiggling the handlebars to stay balanced in an upright turn was a turn shown incorrectly. A good urban rider needs to be able to do both depending on what’s around them and this channel is my go-to for that!
I like both channels very much and i have to say both of you are right. Slow speed is very subjective and it really depends on where you live and what are you trying to do. Motojitsu lives in San Diego where the roads are super wide and filtering is illigal or throwned upon. Whereas in the UK there is heavy traffic and narrow roads so staying up right and below 8mph is almost always the case. However doing a U turn or leaving a junction from a full stop you would want a higher speed and more lean angle. The beauty in motorcycling is that every situation is unique and there isnt one size fits all. Safe riding everyone
Hope other people see this post .as a older rider. I thought motogitsus advice was poor and would be confusing to learner riders. Glad you put it right
You presented the facts respectfully in my opinion. One of the reasons I stopped watching MJ was because his content seemed one sided all the time. His way of teaching fashions a cult-like methodology. It's either his way or you're and idiot. Glad to see a master motorcyclist point out the obvious. Thank you for creating a channel with un-bias motorcycle learning content.
Normally, most of riders reach a point where they can't absorb any more technique and skill, but if one of them thinks he fits to be an instructor, then it's a disaster!. Your video is a clear example of what I am talking about. I stopped watching MJ videos months ago, I am not interested in watching what bike people buy and sell every couple of weeks.
Ive watched gobs and gobs of videos about low speed maneuvers and your presentation is consistently the most accurate and understandable. My low speed maneuvers have improved drastically on the big boy i ride because of your inputs! 10/10
Andrei: From an "older newbie" who *just* started riding in 10/2022, thank you for your insight. Yours was one of 3 channels that rekindled my desire to ride safely and well (the other 2 are Motor Officers). Because of your careful, analytical and practical approaches (as evidenced in this, and your many other, videos), I enjoy the process of training the techniques that you are so diligent at teaching and explaining. What you do and how you do it is much appreciated. Have a good 'un ...
MotoJ is American, his mindset assumes wide roads and plenty of space for circus riding. MotoC understands the real world of urban traffic, which is everyday for us in Europe.
Yes they have plenty of space. If there's one things I envy Americans, it's all them wideass roads they have, even in town areas. Here in Europe, it's sometimes painful.
Good video. Motojitsu often doesn't provide context or nuance. He presents his concepts as being the only correct way to ride and he ridicules anyone who uses other techniques.
I followed MJ some time ago. My reason to stop was not the kind of drills he proposed, but the fact he was teaching and showing track techniques to ride full speed in the open twisties; really dangerous and inadequate I think.
Thanks Andrey. You save riders lives. Side note: as youtuber one has to have the composure to process questions or criticisms. Always respond respectfully. Admit mistakes, or argue your point with counter evidence. Or just agree to disagree. Not easy but successful youtubers do these.
What Moto-Jistu misses is these Motorcycle Cops teach this "Vertical turning" technique specifically for use on slippery surfaces like gravel. He is criticizing a technique without bothering to understand its purpose. These same Motorcycle Cops teach the leaning techniques all day every day for regular conditions.
Thanks for your detailed videos!! Very appreciated!!! I am a new rider and was taking our local beginner's class level 2 (which is just a faster level 1- u turns and braking. I watched your video about counter steering and understood the physics of the bike and why it does everything. When it came time to talk about how to do the tightest turn, I basically said what you said in question form to the instructor and he said "no!". So we have a whole class of people being taught the wrong way. Thank goodness I had watched your video and understood the physics, as that rider of over 30 years did not!
A guy on Reddit asked me to explain exactly WHY I despise Greg Widmar (MotoJitsu), MC Rider & DDFM--Here’s my Response: Of course, the most obvious and primary reason is they are all 100% fear-based. I remember commenting on one of MotoJitsu‘s videos- where he’s clearly showing a Harley Davidson motorcycle, leaning pretty heavily- and then Greg’s narration says he’s “unable to lean”. Dude, come on-you’re not even looking at what’s on your own video? He just deleted the comments and ANY comments he doesn’t like. He’s got another one where he supposedly teaching some woman how to ride and he’s behind her and she scrubs a tiny little bit of speed going into a corner and he was like “that’s very dangerous”… the truth is she was gapping him pretty good on the same section of Palomar Mountain that is in ALL 5000 of his “training videos”… he was butthurt. Of course, he appears to be “fast”-He’s running the same 10 mile section of road every damn day of his life. Kevin at MC Rider and Dan Dan the fireman are even worse. They don’t actually know how to ride motorcycles at all. In fact, they don’t ride motorcycles they ride -land yachts. Kevin is supposedly an MSF instructor so he’s irresponsibly glued to the slow, look, press and roll curriculum-which is an absolute bullshit way of learning turning. Dan shows nothing but accident videos & scares the shit out of people-
Dan cant ride for shit either. Look when guys come up with this new revolutionary system, they are generally trying to flog you a course. they've no higher standard for road safety in amerca, at least in europe you have ROSPA
@@mygi43543 - I totally understand these guys here in the states think-well there’s no one else doing it so I should say something, collect a bunch of views-monetize everything. But it’s ALL 100% fear-based… don’t… can’t …never …ever…always… it’s all complete horseshit. Every time I hear one of these jackassses say “you can’t grab a bunch of front brake or you’re gonna crash”-- I cleanse myself by watching Sarah Lezito do 12 o’clock stoppies on Instagram-for 20 full minutes…🤣🤣🤣
You are completely right. In the beginning, I used to struggle with low speed tight corners, being veryy unstable. With practice, I 've learned a lot of things. 1. Slow corners don't have lateral G force enough to make you need to lean. 2. You just look away, to the horizon, to get balance on tight slow corners. If you look down to your front fender, you will loose balance. I've just learned that: inspect the terrain where you are going to do the tight slow turn first and assure it is regular and free from obstacles. The do the turn looking forward far away to the horizon to keep balance, and do the turn. The times I tried to llok down or lean, it was simply mess and panic. Man, you are the best instructor! Best wishes!
Former instructor here , and hello to Moto Control . I have avoided rider training videos because too many of them are long winded , make things far more complex than they really are , or have less than the best interest in mind for the rider watching . This video showed up for no known reason in my recommendations but I watched it reluctantly . I watched your whole vid. I can clearly identify what you are doing. Obviously there are going to be , ... and there already are , criticisms on this or that in your vid . I know we all need to get along , and there can be many untrained opinions on rider techniques and commenters criticize trained instructor vids .... not unlike like yours . However , I am very happy that you did go ahead and take the time to put this together .... it takes quite a significant amount of time to do all the set up , and then all the post production . This video would be an excellent accompaniment to your SSM training segment I'm disappointed that there isn't a north american standard of training for regular street rider licencing . There should be annual or at least bi - annual on road re-testing for riders for a Very minimal cost. I say that because many accidents occur with in the first two months of a riders riding season .... whenever that occurs for each individual . Thank you once again for bring this to everyones attention. Note : You pointed out your intent is NOT to knock M J's video , and thank you for that .... you did this video very professionally . Thank you !!!!!! It is loudly evident that you have all riders best interest in mind . Ride Safe .
I'm all for more rider safety but bi-annual retesting is insane. If you make the initial test robust enough then there is no reason to test every year or two. I do think that retesting should take place at a certain age though and at regular interval after that, if a 70 year old (or whatever age would be decided) can't pass a test to ride safely then they shouldn't be on the road (same with car drivers too)
Motojitsu, like many motorcycle riding "pundits," regurgitates topics and talking points, and relies on click bait video titles as "never do this...or else" or "always do this...or else."
@inevespace He was a US Marine drill instructor. He's milked his "how to" motorcycle content dry. His first 30 to 40 episodes will give you all you need to consider for riding.
A detail on lean angle...When you lean the bike the tire surface you ride on is nearer the axle and thus a smaller circle as our tires are rounded, not flat like a cars. Smaller circle, slightly lower on the profile, meaning slightly tightening the turning radius of the bike. I think that we often spend a whole bunch of time debating on a single correct technique when there are many to choose from that may be applicable on different occasions or for different people and their riding style. So much like life, right? Some people use only body weight to lean their bike into corners, some people prefer to "push right turn right". Often in tight parking situations I have no room to lean, so have to be comfortable at that with upright stiff arm steering around. Beats the duck walk but I like to lean, it is just more fun. Ride safe and enjoy everyone.
Motojitsu is not on my Andre’s level… I’m sorry not sorry. When i say my Andre is the best … he is the best!!! Again the Michael Jordan of motorcycle instructor
Yes i definitely concur with you 😄👍 Russian man is the Man & Best Teacher of motorcycle riding out there 👍 it's clear to my eyes he has superior riding skills & knows exactly what he is talking about ! Even with his Russian Count Dracula Tone 😜 Cheers from Bundaberg Australia 🇦🇺🍹😄
In my humble opinion Motojistsu isn't wrong but maybe missing the key factor of SLOW turns. If you want to do the turn tighter and faster yes. lean more and add some throttle. This way you can zig-zag in corners or do u-turns verry efficiently. On the other hand, there is absolutely nothing wrong with going super slow but then you cannot really rely on heavy lean. You gotta balance it out with your body and work your handlebar hard. Both technics are useful but you got to be smart to know where to apply which.
Motojitsu technique only can be applied on wide road with no people/object/cars. Meanwhile motocontrol teached a real world situation where you ride on busy road near traffic light and need slow at to make sure rider not hitting any car. I can see motojitsu works with beginner racer before joining I'm tracks and not real world situation
8:07 😂😂😂😂😂😂 A instructor that tells you it's not wrong to ride slow and you should not be worry about your speed, is like a dad!❤ Very good videos, never disappointed
A bike will go round in a circle if you steer it using the bars (generates a slip force) or by leaning the tyres over (generates camber force), or usually some combination of both. The turning force generated is related to your speed and radius (actually v^r) and if the bike isn't going to topple it needs to be balanced by shifting the centre of gravity towards the inside of the turn (i.e. leaning). So the CoG lean angle you need to balance the bike might be more (at high speed) or less (at low speed) than the tyre lean angle that gives the turn radius you want: you can deal with this by changing your speed, or by moving your body relative to the bike to change the CoG without changing the tyre angle (hanging off at high speed/counterleaning at low speed), or by turning the bars.
Great video! Motojitsu is just over hyped. Over time he has turned arrogant and thinks only he knows best. Love the way this video explains the details and states that what helps in real life situations is most important.
Best motorcycle trainer on TH-cam. Concise, to the point, excellent demonstrations. Your videos stick with me and my memory more than any other. I appreciate what you do 🫡🫶
To me, there are two different motivations. 1. MJ wants to do tighter turns 2. MC here wants to be faster I think the tighter turn needs more leaning and to keep the bike from falling over, more leaning needs higher speed (and the other way around) … Either way i truly think that’s all too much advise for beginners and also must say, that your stuff is better than MJ’s as you treat people with more respect.
I've known MotoJitsu ever since he had 50K subs (in real life).. the guy is a big talker, is SUPER arrogant and makes stuff up as he goes along. Take what the says with a grain of salt. Moto Control is the real deal.
Thanks for confirming, sometimes it is hard to tell online, but I got the same impression after one chat exchange. Seems few screws are loose in his head.
Well, in theory, if you could lean your bike enough you can make it turn circles around it's rear tyre. So in that sense MotoJitsu has it right. On the other hand, in the situations you'll need to turn tight, you usually don't have the space to lean. So you are right. Both skills are important. Steady turning with speeds that won't allow leaning and leaning as much as possible with as low speed as possible, those skills are for different situations. By the way, you both make awesome content.
As I read all these comments I realized something important. We all have our favorites when it comes to trainers. I relate to this guy or gal more than the others, blah blah blah. We motorcyclists need to learn as many riding skills as possible to have fun and stay alive. I have been riding for 40 years now and still don't consider myself fully trained. Training is a continuous and mandatory rule for us riders. I look at it like golden nuggets. Most trainers have golden nuggets of great information to teach us. No one trainer has a monopoly on the subject and should not pretend they do. Ride your ride but keep going to classes to learn as much as we can to be safe and have fun. Who knows you may find a better way to ride and want to share that with us. I hope you do! We should always be in a perpetual state of learning. Be safe out there people.
I have watched a lot of your videos. Dont think I have ever heard you say anything I would not agree on. You are simply the best.. Keep up the good work 👍
That's because he can always justify what he is saying by actually proving it both theoretically and in practice. I was lucky to be able to attend one of his classes and for every question I had there was a logic and practical explanation, which he always managed to show without showing off some flashy technique as a way to prove anything.
Thank you for the commentary on slow speed turns @MotoCtrl. Reminder to fellow watcher: there's no need to bash Motojitsu (who I watch just as religiously). All this content is good for the community of riders. Don't drama bait
I kinda watch Motojitsu in order to learn what not to do. For instance, he really likes to go through turns with most of his upper body over the double yellow line. Or the idea of going slightly faster than traffic. Maybe going slightly faster to get traffic behind you, or going slightly slower to keep traffic ahead of you makes more sense.
@@langhamp8912 i find your opinion weird. Hes ridden well. Idk what you want? You have the choice to not follow him ofc. Nor do you need to understand everything he does. You can choose who you want to teach. I find many things on this channel really simple to understand. Some others on motojitsu. Simple as that.
@@darktitan8085 I also derive enjoyment from watching a person with obvious emotional issues. Dude goes on these very enjoyable 5-minute TH-cam rants and then deletes those videos a day later.
Motojitsu technique is for racing on tracks/racing circuit. Not for real world situation. I know this because there's a rider who shows a technique like him to beginner to prevent fear of leaning on tracks circuit. Meanwhile driving school teaches us things that are need on road
Well, your channel name speaks for itself, your balance and control is crazy! 😄 Also, this video proves why Sweden's "lågfartsbana" exists äas a part of the final driving exam. Everyone who wants to drive a motorcycle here have to be able to control the bike upright through a rather tight slalom with stops.
Andrej, you are the best instructor, unfortunately you went to Argentina and not to Germany! I'm relearning after a long time without motorbike, and when I'm thinking about driving technique, sitting on my bike, my inner voice starts talking in English with a strong Russian accent✌️ Greetings from Germany
I am a beginner and try to watch a lot of youtube videos to get some tips and hints. Different drivers -> different experiences -> different opinions -> different tips and hints What I've seen so far: - more speed stabilizes the bike - more leaning reduces the radius - speed and leaning depends on the drivers experience - more speed and more leaning isn't a precondition to drive safely thru a corner There was a YT video, when a biker moved the bike straight upright by hand full locked and measured the radius. Then he moved the bike with a markable leaning angle by hand and the radius decreased markably. Is it needed to lean the bike everytime as much as you can to make tight turns? I think No. Is it good to master tight turns with a bigger leaning angle? I think probably. I guess, there's no only-true way. Everyone should ride in a way, as he feels safe.
That was fun nice video got lost last night for a while reading comments before bed. Woke up to a notification with a comment back but it's gone including mine. But my phone could just be dumb like usual
Respect is a two way street and you are utmost one of the most skilled instructors who shows high levels of respect to all. Keep up the great work, sir! 🙏❤️
As a motorcycle postie I spend all day doing full lock turns on every surface/angle imaginable in a typical town- it all comes down to road surface- loose stuff u ain't gonna go fast full lock anytime unless u want pensioners laughing at you from their kitchen windows lol. But I can confidently pull full lock turns at zombiesnailpace on mossy/frosty wet driveways fully upright all day long- sometimes speed is the enemy
Motojitsu does not know what he is talking about about 75% of the time I started watching his videos a while ago but stopped because most of his content is boring and uneducated and most of the time wrong. Thank you for pointing his bull shiet out 👍
Thank you for saving honour, legitimacy and joy of very slow speed turning! Today i tried it and i was amazed to see that it is possible to make very slow speed turn even without opening gaz, just with clutch control. Each time I watch your slow speed turning videos I notice something new and learn new things. This time I realised how important and great your advice to not force, to not steer handle bars once we engaged counter steering. Then the baby turns by itself. Oh my god! Even without gaz! Amazing!
@@carlostomas3698 it’s when your turning the handle bars away from the corner. Yes you do it at slow speeds to de stabilise the bike and initiate the lean but then your front wheel will turn toward the turn. That doesn’t happen at higher speeds where countersteering is actually used
Beware, motojitsu has huge ego and can't take any criticism. Been there, done that. He even turns off comments under his videos when he really gets butthurt. :D
a lot of attempts on an enduro bike: the tightiest turn (with both wheels on the ground and no skip/skid) is: max lean angle, max handlebar turn and the slowest achievable speed - thats more than a rule, there are no exceptions to this road bikes are heavier so more speed is necessary to increase the lean angle and prevent falling if you manage to ride full lock without sliding, than the more lean angle the tighter the turn what does the lean angle bring? the shorter radius of the track of both wheels when turning: make a simple experiment: engine off and try a u-turn by pushing the bike with a full handlebar lock, compare radius/diameter when bike is upright and when leaned towards the center of a turn both full lock and lean angle are efficient tools at slow speed turns, speed does not help to turn, but enables to lean the bike riding with big lean angle at slow speed is dangerous - you are balancing on the edge of falling, you even feel and are falling when the speed is dropping
MotoJitsu is a prick. Sorry to be this straightforward but the guy can't take a critic and doesn't learn from the community. Even if he's wrong he won't admit. Keep up the good work mate. Cheers.
In one of his videos, I pointed out that he was wrong in his definition and difference between trail and rake. He didn’t like it and just said he isn’t going to correct what he said. That’s when I knew he is a prick and no different than any other self-declared “experts”. I bet he can’t even do a proper wheelie so I don’t think he is on that level of bike control mastery, ergo, not that good of a rider, just average like any of us.
I'm so glad someone sees him for who he is. I called him out on one of his videos and instead of having a conversation he just started with insults and condescending comments.
Remember when he used to call himself "fast eddie"? Except that, by all accounts, he was slow af at that point. Even the track sessions were painfully slow from what i recall. Maybe the content quality or advice has gone up along with his skills, maybe not, but the guy is a pedantic prick who at least in the earlier days of posting, couldn't really ride all that well besides some random parking lot drills.
He's a great rider and instructor, but to state your opinions and preferences as absolute facts and blowing the differences out of proportion is intellectually dishonest
@@abu.nahiyan - He’s really neither a great rider OR instructor. If you’re gonna be such a huge pussy about ANY critical feedback. Delete any differing comments-even when they are CORRECT…you’re basically unfit to lead--ANYTHING…
Good video. This relaly boils down to use case - if youre doing drills in a clear, open lot, around a cone track or the like - then sure you can throw the bike way over and give it the beans motogykana style. But doing a uturn in front of my house (to park on my side of the street) the sides of the road are covered in a LOT of gravel from the winter. If i just look back over my shoulder im not looking for oncoming traffic, and I'm not seeing where my wheels are going, which is really important when there are literal piles of gravel. And likewise, if i have the bike at 45 degrees and low speed with sport tires on piles of pea gravel, I'm going to eat that gravel. Motojitsu isn't wrong, his method IS the way to get the tightest circle, and you should be able to do it, but youre 100% right: Doing it another way is also not wrong, which is best depends entirely on the situation, and done correctly both are so similar its not really important.
You both have good points. Full lock low speed can be a little more difficult for beginners to manage if they mjst suddenly stop in full luck turn. You both make good points and practice practice practice is essential for all riders old and new. Riding surface and traffic conditions will always dictate how the bike must be maneuvered. Fast lean tight turns must also be practiced to avoid other riders and vehicles.
Motojitsu is the type of guy who prints out brochures and pamphlets about motorcycle training, sells them on Amazon, then writes in his Hinge profile that he has "authored" several "books" 😂
You shouldn’t lean without purpose. For practice, for specific line requirements etc. Definitely not for the purpose MJ dictates as if there is something wrong with deciding to stay up-rite. It all depends on many variables and we have to be like water when we ride.
What you gotta remember is that. Not everyone can go slow and have a full lock. It takes lots of practice to do so. Motojitsu way of doing the explaining at slow speed without lean is actually correct for most people who have not mastered going slow and having full control.
exactly !! unfortunately the comments became about ranting and criticizing Motojitsu. And they rant and rant without adding anything elevant. The guy is at least trying to tech something and it works. Maybe some don't agree about his cowboy US style but this doesn't make him ignorant in motorcycle dynamics or recommendation.
@@AzantysIndeed, he has good points. But he's also very wrong about a lot of things, but closes down when he is confronted with his possibly dangerous (or dumb) advices. He won't take any input from experienced riders other than pro-racers. That is what makes him lose the little cred that he is granted by the motorcycle community. It simply doesn't make sense that a guy that has been riding for ten years knows better than everybody else, wouldn't you agree ?
Sometimes a half of a meter makes the difference between being able to make a u-turn in the available road width or not. Sometimes speed is the solution :)
If you liked that MotoShihtzu video, you should check out a recent "rider training" video by PetroHead called 5 Habits New & Experienced Motorcycle Riders Must Develop. It has lots of bad advice, including how leaning your upper body in turns is more important than steering input with hands. Lots of people have commented questioning what is said, but he just deletes the comments and now the video has almost no comments anymore. Someone needs to do a similar review video for this one too so he doesn't keep putting out educational videos without any accountability.
You're my first teacher. I'm sorry I am not able to join your subscriptionclass, I don't have money. Thank you for your videos here on YT. All I can do is to watch them in return. Now I can drive my semi automatic small displacement with the techniques from you. ~ Your student from Philippines.
I will add that Motojitsu wasn't using rear brake when he was turning and in your demonstration you were. That does make a difference, at least when I practice. I've also seen videos of riders moving their bikes upright in a circle and then doing the same thing with the bike leaned and the radius does reduce.
When I was trained many years ago by police instructors, the back brake was heavily emphasised for control. I still use the back brake for all slow speed manoeuvres, as living in an area with lots of hills, hairpin bends and gravel, the front wheel would regularly wash out. Surprisingly, some riders claim to only use front brake in all situations.
@@46rrodriguez I think you may have jumped to conclusions from my comment. I never mentioned that it wasn't important to use rear brake just noting that the demonstration used rear brake where as Motojitsu's drill didn't.
"Even Motojitsu gets this wrong..." Stop being nice. Motojitsu has never made a video where he wasn't either flat out wrong or presenting common knowledge as some revolutionary idea that he came up with. If anybody calls out his bs, he cries and turns off the comments.
presenting common knowledge in complicated manner to make himself seem smarter than you and calling you dumb. Or rehashing something that was said by someone else or read from a book by lee parks
@@mygi43543MJ has personality issues. Sometimes I really feel bad bashing the guy. But then again, he doesn't stop pushing his BS and scoffing either...
I learned a lot of two wheel control off-road with mountain bikes and dirt bikes. You can do insanely tight turns fully vertical with near zero speed. 10/10 counter point to MJ.
I occasionally watch MotoJitsu for tips, but he sometimes comes across as kind of toxic and narrow-minded. That never happens here, and I appreciate it.
I couldn’t agree more. MJ continually disappoints with his attitude and mind frame. I continually come to this channel for education and inspiration- awesome work!
Your comment convinced me to subscribe to this channel. I had to unsubscribe from MotoJitsu because his immaturity, fragile ego, and desperate self-promotion were detracting from the content.
I once corrected him about his opinion on Ryan of Fortnine's explanation about how motorcycles' tires behave while turning (leaning),he felt slighted. I just said it was just an explanation of what happened and not an instructional video, he then attacked me. Lol
@@lamefart Sounds familiar. He's an idiot, imo. I'm not saying everything he says is wrong, and he has good useful videos. Everything he says sure as hell ain't right though, and he accepts correction like a child. Edit: a spoiled child, but that's just my opinion.
@@lamefarthis responses in the comments have turned me away from ever listening to him. Doesn’t matter how good you are, if you’re a jackass you’re gonna be treated like one.
This is perfectly likely to happen when you have a bike with a higher center of gravity than normal, which is the case with the GS, The GS has a very high center of gravity and is heavy, so you need to counterbalance it with some speed in order to stay upright, otherwise you'll fall off.
I think the reason your ktm turned so tightly even without leaning it, is because it's such a small bike (with the wheels being quite close to each otjer compared to other bigger bikes)
I feel that counter-weighting to increase lean angle is more important than speed to safely increase the lean angle of the motorcycle. Reducing the radius of a turn by increasing both speed and lean angle increases the traction required due to reduced turn radius and increased speed. Reducing the radius of a turn by increasing lean angle by counter-weighting increases the traction required only due to the reduced radius. Hence counter-weighting to increase lean angle provides better traction management than increasing speed to increase lean angle.
I blocked motojitsu channel long ago because of his american military style ‘he is always right’ type of explanations, without really explaining the needed details. Your content is much more thoughtful and informative.
how I look at it: 2:58 slightly more weight (i.e. rider CG) on inside, bike upright, reduce speed (from walking speed) to avoid falling to outside of a turn, naturallly happens when slowing down from normal speed into dead slow traffic gaps or parking 3:15 (optional) weight on the outside (i.e. counter weighting), maintain bike lean angle, increase speed (from walking speed) to avoid falling into the turn, probably easiest to happen when starting to move from a stop
It seems to me, you're both right. Leaning allows you (actually requires you) to turn faster. Staying upright requires slower and slightly larger turning radii. Two different styles of riding for two different approaches to turning. Thanks to you both for all the great videos. I learn a lot from you both. Keeps up the good work.
his point is that turning circles are almost identical. You can do both ways, and you will lean if you have space for lean (it is easier). Turning without lean requires good balance and more difficult.
My good fellow ... please don't look at it as "" a requirement to go slow BECAUSE we are upright"" ... it literally is the other way around . There is an important reason to thinking in the other direction . We could do a Very large circle very quick in a very upright position at 4X the speed . You rock Moto Control !
i tried motojitsu advice and find that is hard to get it right example dragging the rear brake. Moto Control and RoadcraftNottingham methods are much more easier to understand and get it right. Now my slow speed u turns also improve alot thx to moto control and roadcraft
I still remember your video about how the front wheel balances the motorbike in turn on slow speeds. It helped me a lot to understand how slowing down tights the turns till full-lock position of handlebars. Without any additional handlebar pressure you can control the turn radius with just the speed. It was a game changer for me. It helped a lot in the license exam.
@@carlostomas3698 When you start the turn you have to do a very little countersteering to lean the bike to the direction where you want to do circles, but after that you don't need any additional handlebar control to do endless circles. It was fun to check how the bike behaves when you play with the speed.
@@laszlokekkoi6020I’m not talking about counter-steering I’m talking about the self-steering effect when leaning the bike. And, by the way, with more speed, more force must be applied to the handlebars to initiate the lean. And yes, if we continue to apply force, more lean angle will be “produced”.
@@carlostomas3698 Yes, I agree. Sorry my english is not the best so maybe I misunderstood you. I only discuss "very low-speed"! maneuvers. At those speeds if you lower the speed the handlebar turns itself and at certain point it locks, meanwhile there is more and more leaning as you say, but without any handlebar push. Holding that locked position with just the speed is kinda scary for me, but fun... I think that is the tightest turn radius which you can achieve, but i'm not expert in the topic. :) Understanding this helped me a lot, because finally i started to trust my bike.☺
Adressing the topic of turning while riding slow: "You have to go a little bit faster and lean in more (...)". That´s a straight "F" for FAIL. We´re talking about slow riding. Going faster to do it "the right" way simply misses the topic. That´s why I stopped watching Motojitsus videos. Years ago he helped me to become a better rider, recently I can´t stop shaking my head. As far as I know, he´s a track only guy now. It shows.
@@NoNonsense_01"Slow riding" is riding your bike around pedestrian pace. Don´t tell me you´r walking 10-15 mph. 15 mph is over the speed limit in some big city streets (schools, kindergarten, play street, retirement homes). I would excuse your opinion, if you´re the (real) Ghost Rider, because for him 100 mph IS "going slow". "Slow riding" in Germany is half the pedestrian pace. If you can´t controle your bike going in circles, u-turn or slalom at that pace, you won´t get a license here.
@@frankt2658 I don't care about your made up definition of "slow riding". 10 mph is definitely slow. I don't know who this "Ghost rider" is, nor do I care about German speed limits and licence. You are free to redefine 10mph as fast riding or whatever. That would not change objective reality.
@@NoNonsense_01 OK. I understand..You´re one of these guys that are riding for more than 20 years in a straight line at minimum 30 mph. My hamster can do that. Just ask the knowledgeable riders, what "slow speed" means. THEN, we can talk about riding motorcycles. ;) Btw, Ghost Rider is a legend. Going 250+ mph in heavy traffic for more than 20 years, never caught, never crashed. Again, ask the ones, who know. Even YT knows the Ghost Rider. Only the police will never get to know him. Most likely, he´s scandinavian.
When are you doing a wheelie training? 😅
If your comment gets 100 likes - ok, I'll make one😁
Let's run these comments up boys!
Now that's gonna be fun. Thumbs up everyone :D
Yay, come on, peoples!!!
Yes please, make it on a low cc bike too
"we dont go fast to lean a lot; we're forced to lean a lot because we want to go fast"
Brilliant quote!
Brilliant quote indeed
exelent ..
Then why in this example 3:02 the turn is tighter when did at faster speeds?
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@@diego432hz Probably because a different section of the front wheel is in contact with the pavement. He's not saying leaning does not help, just that it does not help as much as MJ claims. The radius is maybe 10% less, nothing to write home about.
I'm not going to say anything about other instructors videos, but what I will say is I'm a much better and safer and confident rider because of your videos 😊
I’ve met MotoJitsu in person. Good rider, but very arrogant and rude. Try to criticize anything he does or suggest anything… Unsubscribed from his channel a while back. I get everything I need here.
good rider....lol he's mediocre but acts like a god.
Yeah, he actually gives out that vibe in his videos
MotoShihtzu constantly deletes any comment that suggest he's not MotoJesus, it's why every comment section on every video is just like those websites that only have 5 star reviews. It's all fake.
@@__Max-oe6zm trrrue
@@__Max-oe6zm "MotoJesus" lmao 😂😂😂
Moto Control continues to be one of the most technically-accurate motorcycle riding technique channels on TH-cam. No BS, no dogma, no speculation. Just cold hard analysis and facts.
And no ego
@@torrycMotojitsu's biggest drawback by leaps and bounds
So I follow both of these channels. I've been riding all my life and do drills as prescribed- by both of these professionals- and pick something up every time I practice- from both. These two gentlemen have different perspectives on the same topic but honestly, I do not see error in either approach- MotoJitsu has a heavy underlying tone of taking control of your bike, making it your own, comprehending the forces and demonstrating the "room" you develop (comfort level) when you take a drill out of street context and do it simply to alleviate your fears and misunderstandings about the physics of riding. That is a good thing. Moto Control, I feel is a more street literal style of professional riding and training, helping you develop equally solid discipline on the bike without some of the approaches demonstrated by MotoJitsu. Thank God, or they'd be saying the same thing most of the time and I'd have to choose. Everyone should have respect here, and if one points out something regarding the other, don't be quick to judge, they are both trying to do the right thing by their audiences. We should all have respect, and this is respectfully submitted. Ride in Peace LOL
Well said. I too have learned a lot from both these men.
Your read my mind. Thanks.
Jistu is an AWFUL HUMAN--full stop…
@@MattFellowswasHerehow is that, why?
@@MattFellowswasHere Dude, it’s not that bad. Really.
It feels like the real difference between his vertical example and yours was that he was keeping balance with steering inputs, and you were doing so with speed control, which is kinda what you want to learn anyway. If you have good clutch/speed control, you can turn at any speed instead of NEEDING to speed up to make sharp turns.
Turning full lock very slowly both directions is a part of the maneuvering test to get you license in Sweden. I cannot believe you have relatively few views. You are great a explaining and showing many things from beginner tips to advanced.
I never was into MJs videos because I found him way too arrogant... for no real good reason lol
Mothitsuwhatsit got upset when he posted a vid and a number of trained Advanced riders pointed out he was doing it wrong. He shut down comments for a couple of months. One thing Advanced riders know is that you are always learning, he cant cope with it. Great vid.
According to Jitsu advanced riders do not exist. There are only pro racers, cops, 8th graders, whitebelts, wannabees and Greg himself. Advanced riders that have been riding longer than him, are obviously all liars.
Haha yes I've seen this as well, comments on every video criticizing his teachings and then when he tried to call them bad riders they uploaded videos of them professionally racing before he turned his comments off 😂
@@jaron5958 Yep, been there. "How do I know that is you riding ?" he'd comment. 😁
(Not a pro-racer but it worked out the same......)
Motojitsu is a hack, period.
Way back, when he himself was still learning, he made good points for beginners, but once he began this whole "belt" thing and began improving as a rider he became arrogant, and dismissive of riders that are real professionals(not just some person with a youtube channel), and riders like myself, with dozens of years more experience than him.
Guy is incredibly fragile and soft, it worries me when people try to excuse his childishness by saying he's a former marine, as if that's a good reason to lash out nonsensically when you're wrong.
MJ Rehashed his ideas 10 times already he's struggling to find new ideas other than buying a new bike every other week. And it really shows.
So true 😂😂😂
It really shows, and HE keeps showing off as if he was THE "motorcycle god" in the US. Considering the average level of American riders, which I was able to observe while riding the Route 66 from Chicago to LA in 2013, he's just the one-eyed man in the expression "In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king".
En français, on dirait qu'il a pris la grosse tête.
😂 yep!
He's struggling to find ideas because he's not a smart guy. He's a loudmouth who uploads a lot. That impresses some people, and it doesn't impress other people.
@@philipperoche2577 Exactly. I’ve said this before. He’s fairly competent by their standards, which is very low. Not to mention his tips and ideas are generally unfounded and could mislead someone who knows very little into getting themselves into a situation. It wouldn’t be so bad if he pointed out that it was ‘his own approach and just an idea’ as opposed to ‘this is how it must be done!’ And then not being able to handle comments. He has none of the attributes of a true motorcyclist or proper instructor.
Motojitsu is not even close to your riding level of experience. His slow speed manoeuvres are obviously not quite as advanced as yours. This is by far the best channel for motorcycle riding tips and techniques. Thats all you need! One good channel and this is it!
lol those bikes are different like night and day. Its way easier to do slowspeed turns with a 50kg bike than 250kg GS.
Is there any motor bike that weights 50 Kg?
@@mortaljorma69you're clearly not aware of the fact that Andrey can do the same with any bike. He doesn't need to prove anything.
Also, yeah, it's exactly the same. It's not about body weight or strength.
@@mortaljorma69 greg will say the bike doesn't mater....
Heres the thing, greg isn't doing this stuff in a real world application, he's doing it in a carpark.
@@mygi43543 he also failed to do it on the gsxr he had not that long ago. And sold it after a lot of people requested him to do his own exercises with that bike.
Motojitsu's method of slow riding is to ride fast. Which is a really weird conclusion to come to, since the whole point of the exercise is to drive slow. Moto Control bringing the correct solution as usual.
yea. When I pointed out that the slow speed test to get a license over here requires you to go below 5 km/h the whole time, he just brushed it off with "who cares".
His method would just make me fail the test.
@@aabe4327 Where are you licensed? When I got mine in Australia, many years ago, we were required to do a "slow" test in a straight line. Cornering, box stops and braking were tested at 25kmh. I very nearly crashed on the cornering test, too!
@@aabe4327 If you lean the bike enough at 7 mph...you'd still be able to do a 15foot u turn. Greg has proven that time and time again.
Show me proof that ANY normal ( we're not talking motor officer btw and even then..15 foot its plenty tight enough ) license test is harder than that level of turn for the every day joe and jane and that the only way to clear it is 3 to 5 mph speeds where you can't lean the bike and only do counter balancing or can't lean the bike more than 10% or 10 degrees and STILL make a sub 16 foot turn
Guess what? Not even on my cb500x can that be done WITHOUT leaning the bike..some.
Also Bret Tkacs has PROVEN my point accurate. Go ahead...argue with him...He's just as good a boss at riding both on road AND offroad.
Nah mate, my spanish test already included a weave where either you lean the bike or cannot pass. Why? Because it is the most effective turning strategy . Can you get away with turning straight up? Yes in many cases (and sometimes for sure it is needed) but it does not mean that you know how to control your bike properly and probably fear leaning the bike at slower speeds.
Exactly!..🤦♂️
In Sweden, no matter how big the bike is, the slow speed test will fail if you go faster than 5 km/h.
He do fast maneuver exercises, not really useful in trafic situations..
I stopped watching Motojitsu's videos years ago.
MotoJitsu and MotoControl can both be right at the same time. The devil is in the detail. Crawling at 2mph is DEFINITELY harder to control. Pick up some speed and it becomes a breeze. Motojitsu is right, but so is Andrei.
There are times where carrying more speed is acceptable and times when it is not.
Leaning a bike is so much harder to do slow than fast. What MJ is saying is an advance skill. No beginner rider will be able to do that and yet he is saying it is the mistake beginner riders always make.
I wish I would've read this BEFORE I posted my comment.
"You kinda sorta proved Motojitsu right. Notice the complexity of throttle/clutch control along with a higher degree of balance required with the slower circle vs. the faster circle?
Tight rope walking is possible, but that doesn't mean the average person can master it.
If it's easier to do it at a faster pace, then why not teach it that way?"
@@Stacy_Smith Because in a lot countries you will fail the licensing test. Simple.
@@Stacy_Smith in japan for a 401cc and up license you need to be able to balance on a beam for 9 seconds or more and its not that long of a beam lol. ask me how i know.
That super slow turn at full lock while keeping the bike perfectly straight up is such a flex on how good your bike control is. It’s so hard to do that without moving the bars at all to balance.
Edit: spelling
Yeah that was nuts. I still struggle with full lock even a bit more fast but doing that suuuper slow without moving the handlebars an inch was epic.
That's why you keep the rpm's up. Listen to how high he is revving. The rotational mass has a gyroscopic effect and does most of the work on keeping the bike upright. Clutch control = bike control. Its counter intuitive but you give it more gas at slow speed around 2500rpm and control speed with clutch and rear brake. You can also see it in the video. Look at his right hand. Completely on the throttle not a finger on the front brake. Watch is right foot warble to help him keep the speed reigned in.
@@ducksoff7236 rev it to the limiter and see how much gyroscopic effect helps.
In some countries , to do this is a requirement to obtain driver/rider license. Fail to do so means you lack training and they'll send you back to Leaner program. If this is a flex , probably at learner level of said countries.
@@Coffeeteabike what country requires the rider to move at less than 1mph with the feet up at full steering lock, only controlling the balance of the bike with the clutch and footbrake just to obtain a license?
I think you are by far the best channel out there and have helped me so much as someone who's only had his license for about 8 months now (and 4 of them being winter months where I couldn't ride). My goal for this year is to watch all your videos and take notes.
On that note: Could you please do a video about emergency braking in corners (so coming to a full stop fast while cornering/leaning)? Thank you!
All right, I'll try to make one!
@MotoControlEn ty
I love all these kinds of reaction videos.
Thank you Andrey!
Cheers from the Netherlands!
Watching the upright locked turns of both riders showed me who is better. Moto Control knows his gray zone and stayed in it to balance. It was beautiful! MJ wiggling the handlebars to stay balanced in an upright turn was a turn shown incorrectly. A good urban rider needs to be able to do both depending on what’s around them and this channel is my go-to for that!
I like both channels very much and i have to say both of you are right. Slow speed is very subjective and it really depends on where you live and what are you trying to do. Motojitsu lives in San Diego where the roads are super wide and filtering is illigal or throwned upon. Whereas in the UK there is heavy traffic and narrow roads so staying up right and below 8mph is almost always the case. However doing a U turn or leaving a junction from a full stop you would want a higher speed and more lean angle. The beauty in motorcycling is that every situation is unique and there isnt one size fits all. Safe riding everyone
Filtering is definitely not illegal in California.
Thanks I wasn't sure as to which states this is legal and which not, but the main message still stands
Hope other people see this post .as a older rider. I thought motogitsus advice was poor and would be confusing to learner riders. Glad you put it right
90% of motojitsu videos are very bad and looks like he is aiming audience who touched bikes first time in life.
You presented the facts respectfully in my opinion. One of the reasons I stopped watching MJ was because his content seemed one sided all the time. His way of teaching fashions a cult-like methodology. It's either his way or you're and idiot. Glad to see a master motorcyclist point out the obvious. Thank you for creating a channel with un-bias motorcycle learning content.
Normally, most of riders reach a point where they can't absorb any more technique and skill, but if one of them thinks he fits to be an instructor, then it's a disaster!. Your video is a clear example of what I am talking about.
I stopped watching MJ videos months ago, I am not interested in watching what bike people buy and sell every couple of weeks.
Ive watched gobs and gobs of videos about low speed maneuvers and your presentation is consistently the most accurate and understandable. My low speed maneuvers have improved drastically on the big boy i ride because of your inputs! 10/10
Intelligently informing the riding community with facts and not “beliefs”. Thank you.
Andrei: From an "older newbie" who *just* started riding in 10/2022, thank you for your insight. Yours was one of 3 channels that rekindled my desire to ride safely and well (the other 2 are Motor Officers). Because of your careful, analytical and practical approaches (as evidenced in this, and your many other, videos), I enjoy the process of training the techniques that you are so diligent at teaching and explaining. What you do and how you do it is much appreciated. Have a good 'un ...
MotoJ is American, his mindset assumes wide roads and plenty of space for circus riding. MotoC understands the real world of urban traffic, which is everyday for us in Europe.
and his ego is massive
Point@@log8746
Yes they have plenty of space. If there's one things I envy Americans, it's all them wideass roads they have, even in town areas. Here in Europe, it's sometimes painful.
And also useful in Asia. India or Thailand.
Not to mention countries like Thailand, where I ride.
I do a lot of filtering and what you say rings true. Having the slow speed control is better for what I am doing than the cool points of motogymkana.
Nice. I think you got it right. I am impressed by your bike control.
Good video. Motojitsu often doesn't provide context or nuance. He presents his concepts as being the only correct way to ride and he ridicules anyone who uses other techniques.
Can't wait for his followup when he calls you an idiot
I agree..
I didn't like his technique for a long time .... but now I know its not me who is mad 🤔 .... I thout for a while that I was
Attributes of 100% narcissism
Motojitsu is an ex-drill instructor… of course, he has the ‘my-way-or-the-highway’ approach to riding
@@SongJLikes He appears to think he is the God of motorcycles.
I followed MJ some time ago. My reason to stop was not the kind of drills he proposed, but the fact he was teaching and showing track techniques to ride full speed in the open twisties; really dangerous and inadequate I think.
Thanks Andrey. You save riders lives.
Side note: as youtuber one has to have the composure to process questions or criticisms. Always respond respectfully. Admit mistakes, or argue your point with counter evidence. Or just agree to disagree. Not easy but successful youtubers do these.
What Moto-Jistu misses is these Motorcycle Cops teach this "Vertical turning" technique specifically for use on slippery surfaces like gravel.
He is criticizing a technique without bothering to understand its purpose.
These same Motorcycle Cops teach the leaning techniques all day every day for regular conditions.
motoj hardly goes out in the cold ffs, cant expect him in the wet
Thanks for your detailed videos!! Very appreciated!!! I am a new rider and was taking our local beginner's class level 2 (which is just a faster level 1- u turns and braking. I watched your video about counter steering and understood the physics of the bike and why it does everything. When it came time to talk about how to do the tightest turn, I basically said what you said in question form to the instructor and he said "no!". So we have a whole class of people being taught the wrong way. Thank goodness I had watched your video and understood the physics, as that rider of over 30 years did not!
A guy on Reddit asked me to explain exactly WHY I despise Greg Widmar (MotoJitsu), MC Rider & DDFM--Here’s my Response: Of course, the most obvious and primary reason is they are all 100% fear-based. I remember commenting on one of MotoJitsu‘s videos- where he’s clearly showing a Harley Davidson motorcycle, leaning pretty heavily- and then Greg’s narration says he’s “unable to lean”. Dude, come on-you’re not even looking at what’s on your own video? He just deleted the comments and ANY comments he doesn’t like. He’s got another one where he supposedly teaching some woman how to ride and he’s behind her and she scrubs a tiny little bit of speed going into a corner and he was like “that’s very dangerous”… the truth is she was gapping him pretty good on the same section of Palomar Mountain that is in ALL 5000 of his “training videos”… he was butthurt. Of course, he appears to be “fast”-He’s running the same 10 mile section of road every damn day of his life. Kevin at MC Rider and Dan Dan the fireman are even worse. They don’t actually know how to ride motorcycles at all. In fact, they don’t ride motorcycles they ride -land yachts. Kevin is supposedly an MSF instructor so he’s irresponsibly glued to the slow, look, press and roll curriculum-which is an absolute bullshit way of learning turning. Dan shows nothing but accident videos & scares the shit out of people-
Dan cant ride for shit either.
Look when guys come up with this new revolutionary system, they are generally trying to flog you a course. they've no higher standard for road safety in amerca, at least in europe you have ROSPA
@@mygi43543 - I totally understand these guys here in the states think-well there’s no one else doing it so I should say something, collect a bunch of views-monetize everything. But it’s ALL 100% fear-based… don’t… can’t …never …ever…always… it’s all complete horseshit. Every time I hear one of these jackassses say “you can’t grab a bunch of front brake or you’re gonna crash”-- I cleanse myself by watching Sarah Lezito do 12 o’clock stoppies on Instagram-for 20 full minutes…🤣🤣🤣
Seriously man 😵💫👎
You are completely right. In the beginning, I used to struggle with low speed tight corners, being veryy unstable. With practice, I 've learned a lot of things. 1. Slow corners don't have lateral G force enough to make you need to lean. 2. You just look away, to the horizon, to get balance on tight slow corners. If you look down to your front fender, you will loose balance. I've just learned that: inspect the terrain where you are going to do the tight slow turn first and assure it is regular and free from obstacles. The do the turn looking forward far away to the horizon to keep balance, and do the turn. The times I tried to llok down or lean, it was simply mess and panic. Man, you are the best instructor! Best wishes!
Former instructor here , and hello to Moto Control .
I have avoided rider training videos because too many of them are long winded , make things far more complex than they really are , or have less than the best interest in mind for the rider watching .
This video showed up for no known reason in my recommendations but I watched it reluctantly .
I watched your whole vid. I can clearly identify what you are doing. Obviously there are going to be , ... and there already are , criticisms on this or that in your vid .
I know we all need to get along , and there can be many untrained opinions on rider techniques and commenters criticize trained instructor vids .... not unlike like yours .
However , I am very happy that you did go ahead and take the time to put this together .... it takes quite a significant amount of time to do all the set up , and then all the post production .
This video would be an excellent accompaniment to your SSM training segment
I'm disappointed that there isn't a north american standard of training for regular street rider licencing .
There should be annual or at least bi - annual on road re-testing for riders for a Very minimal cost.
I say that because many accidents occur with in the first two months of a riders riding season .... whenever that occurs for each individual .
Thank you once again for bring this to everyones attention.
Note : You pointed out your intent is NOT to knock M J's video , and thank you for that .... you did this video very professionally . Thank you !!!!!!
It is loudly evident that you have all riders best interest in mind .
Ride Safe .
I'm all for more rider safety but bi-annual retesting is insane. If you make the initial test robust enough then there is no reason to test every year or two. I do think that retesting should take place at a certain age though and at regular interval after that, if a 70 year old (or whatever age would be decided) can't pass a test to ride safely then they shouldn't be on the road (same with car drivers too)
@@wreckronomic6663
Agreed
This is the difference between one who seeks to educate, and one who seeks to be seen as an expert.
Motojitsu, like many motorcycle riding "pundits," regurgitates topics and talking points, and relies on click bait video titles as "never do this...or else" or "always do this...or else."
as if the suffix of -jitsu didn't tip you off that the channel would be more about "cool" then about truth
As I remember he quit job few years ago and now wants to get money from channel.
@inevespace He was a US Marine drill instructor. He's milked his "how to" motorcycle content dry. His first 30 to 40 episodes will give you all you need to consider for riding.
@@marsoelflaco5722 I know, I watched him around 2020
A detail on lean angle...When you lean the bike the tire surface you ride on is nearer the axle and thus a smaller circle as our tires are rounded, not flat like a cars. Smaller circle, slightly lower on the profile, meaning slightly tightening the turning radius of the bike.
I think that we often spend a whole bunch of time debating on a single correct technique when there are many to choose from that may be applicable on different occasions or for different people and their riding style. So much like life, right? Some people use only body weight to lean their bike into corners, some people prefer to "push right turn right". Often in tight parking situations I have no room to lean, so have to be comfortable at that with upright stiff arm steering around. Beats the duck walk but I like to lean, it is just more fun. Ride safe and enjoy everyone.
Motojitsu is not on my Andre’s level… I’m sorry not sorry.
When i say my Andre is the best … he is the best!!! Again the Michael Jordan of motorcycle instructor
Andre’s skills are actually closer if not equal to the Japanese police and Motogymkhana riders.
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Yes i definitely concur with you 😄👍 Russian man is the Man & Best Teacher of motorcycle riding out there 👍 it's clear to my eyes he has superior riding skills & knows exactly what he is talking about ! Even with his Russian Count Dracula Tone 😜 Cheers from Bundaberg Australia 🇦🇺🍹😄
This is why you are the best moto channel on TH-cam
In my humble opinion Motojistsu isn't wrong but maybe missing the key factor of SLOW turns. If you want to do the turn tighter and faster yes. lean more and add some throttle. This way you can zig-zag in corners or do u-turns verry efficiently. On the other hand, there is absolutely nothing wrong with going super slow but then you cannot really rely on heavy lean. You gotta balance it out with your body and work your handlebar hard. Both technics are useful but you got to be smart to know where to apply which.
Motojitsu technique only can be applied on wide road with no people/object/cars. Meanwhile motocontrol teached a real world situation where you ride on busy road near traffic light and need slow at to make sure rider not hitting any car.
I can see motojitsu works with beginner racer before joining I'm tracks and not real world situation
Thanks!
Thank you!
The Godfather of parkings lots will love your video!😀
8:07 😂😂😂😂😂😂
A instructor that tells you it's not wrong to ride slow and you should not be worry about your speed, is like a dad!❤
Very good videos, never disappointed
The internet is full of self-declared specialists, Motojitsu is one of them.
*MotoShihtzu
I’m gonna say it, I think motojitsu is a cranky poser.
A bike will go round in a circle if you steer it using the bars (generates a slip force) or by leaning the tyres over (generates camber force), or usually some combination of both. The turning force generated is related to your speed and radius (actually v^r) and if the bike isn't going to topple it needs to be balanced by shifting the centre of gravity towards the inside of the turn (i.e. leaning). So the CoG lean angle you need to balance the bike might be more (at high speed) or less (at low speed) than the tyre lean angle that gives the turn radius you want: you can deal with this by changing your speed, or by moving your body relative to the bike to change the CoG without changing the tyre angle (hanging off at high speed/counterleaning at low speed), or by turning the bars.
Great video! Motojitsu is just over hyped. Over time he has turned arrogant and thinks only he knows best.
Love the way this video explains the details and states that what helps in real life situations is most important.
Arrogant ? Motojitsu ? Well... you don't say ?!... 😜
this
I can turn at -4 bananas per hour with no pants. You guys all pale in comparison.
Best motorcycle trainer on TH-cam. Concise, to the point, excellent demonstrations. Your videos stick with me and my memory more than any other. I appreciate what you do 🫡🫶
To me, there are two different motivations.
1. MJ wants to do tighter turns
2. MC here wants to be faster
I think the tighter turn needs more leaning and to keep the bike from falling over, more leaning needs higher speed (and the other way around) …
Either way i truly think that’s all too much advise for beginners and also must say, that your stuff is better than MJ’s as you treat people with more respect.
I've known MotoJitsu ever since he had 50K subs (in real life).. the guy is a big talker, is SUPER arrogant and makes stuff up as he goes along. Take what the says with a grain of salt. Moto Control is the real deal.
I wonder why he doesn't have many friends
Would you say he's a narcissist ?
@@literal_lee 100% ego trip type. I AM RIGHT.. YOU'RE WRONG.. AHHHHHH! lol
Thanks for confirming, sometimes it is hard to tell online, but I got the same impression after one chat exchange. Seems few screws are loose in his head.
@@jutjub22 So you did even get to chat with him other than "practice, practice, practice" and "you are wrong" ? 😳 💪🏻I'm impressed.
Well, in theory, if you could lean your bike enough you can make it turn circles around it's rear tyre. So in that sense MotoJitsu has it right. On the other hand, in the situations you'll need to turn tight, you usually don't have the space to lean. So you are right. Both skills are important. Steady turning with speeds that won't allow leaning and leaning as much as possible with as low speed as possible, those skills are for different situations. By the way, you both make awesome content.
What you are saying is exactly what I was thinking when I watched that video. You should practice both. Why would you take tools away from a rider?
As I read all these comments I realized something important. We all have our favorites when it comes to trainers. I relate to this guy or gal more than the others, blah blah blah. We motorcyclists need to learn as many riding skills as possible to have fun and stay alive. I have been riding for 40 years now and still don't consider myself fully trained. Training is a continuous and mandatory rule for us riders. I look at it like golden nuggets. Most trainers have golden nuggets of great information to teach us. No one trainer has a monopoly on the subject and should not pretend they do. Ride your ride but keep going to classes to learn as much as we can to be safe and have fun. Who knows you may find a better way to ride and want to share that with us. I hope you do! We should always be in a perpetual state of learning. Be safe out there people.
golden nuggets are hard to find if you dont know what your looking for and can easily lead you to fools gold
I have watched a lot of your videos. Dont think I have ever heard you say anything I would not agree on. You are simply the best.. Keep up the good work 👍
That's because he can always justify what he is saying by actually proving it both theoretically and in practice.
I was lucky to be able to attend one of his classes and for every question I had there was a logic and practical explanation, which he always managed to show without showing off some flashy technique as a way to prove anything.
Calm. Logical. Evidence driven. Quality content. Thank you.
Thank you for the commentary on slow speed turns @MotoCtrl. Reminder to fellow watcher: there's no need to bash Motojitsu (who I watch just as religiously). All this content is good for the community of riders. Don't drama bait
I kinda watch Motojitsu in order to learn what not to do. For instance, he really likes to go through turns with most of his upper body over the double yellow line. Or the idea of going slightly faster than traffic. Maybe going slightly faster to get traffic behind you, or going slightly slower to keep traffic ahead of you makes more sense.
did you even watch the video scoobysnaks? if not, your comment is incredible ignorant
@@langhamp8912 i find your opinion weird.
Hes ridden well. Idk what you want?
You have the choice to not follow him ofc. Nor do you need to understand everything he does.
You can choose who you want to teach. I find many things on this channel really simple to understand. Some others on motojitsu. Simple as that.
Ikr! Theres one title and suddenly everyone wants to make everything black and white about who is good and who's not.
@@darktitan8085 I also derive enjoyment from watching a person with obvious emotional issues. Dude goes on these very enjoyable 5-minute TH-cam rants and then deletes those videos a day later.
In my country Philippines motojitsu's advice of speed = stability is going to get you into an accident in heavy traffic conditions.
Motojitsu technique is for racing on tracks/racing circuit. Not for real world situation. I know this because there's a rider who shows a technique like him to beginner to prevent fear of leaning on tracks circuit. Meanwhile driving school teaches us things that are need on road
Well, your channel name speaks for itself, your balance and control is crazy! 😄
Also, this video proves why Sweden's "lågfartsbana" exists äas a part of the final driving exam.
Everyone who wants to drive a motorcycle here have to be able to control the bike upright through a rather tight slalom with stops.
Andrej, you are the best instructor, unfortunately you went to Argentina and not to Germany! I'm relearning after a long time without motorbike, and when I'm thinking about driving technique, sitting on my bike, my inner voice starts talking in English with a strong Russian accent✌️ Greetings from Germany
In welcher Ecke bist du zu Hause? Ich fahre in der Hauptstadt durch die Gegend.
@@frankt2658 Hallo Frank, in Friesland an der Nordseeküste ✌️
I am a beginner and try to watch a lot of youtube videos to get some tips and hints. Different drivers -> different experiences -> different opinions -> different tips and hints
What I've seen so far:
- more speed stabilizes the bike
- more leaning reduces the radius
- speed and leaning depends on the drivers experience
- more speed and more leaning isn't a precondition to drive safely thru a corner
There was a YT video, when a biker moved the bike straight upright by hand full locked and measured the radius. Then he moved the bike with a markable leaning angle by hand and the radius decreased markably.
Is it needed to lean the bike everytime as much as you can to make tight turns? I think No.
Is it good to master tight turns with a bigger leaning angle? I think probably.
I guess, there's no only-true way. Everyone should ride in a way, as he feels safe.
He's not going to like this...
We won't tell him😁
Dont worry ge won't watch it. Not someone doing his excersises or telling him he is great.
@@Atrip111he watched, and he’s doing his best to tank his rep in the comments. 😂
That was fun nice video got lost last night for a while reading comments before bed. Woke up to a notification with a comment back but it's gone including mine. But my phone could just be dumb like usual
He can’t handle someone challenging his instructions. Lashes out, it’s strange.
Good point about road conditions. If there’s a lot of gravel you’d want to keep the bike vertical and lean your body over
Respect is a two way street and you are utmost one of the most skilled instructors who shows high levels of respect to all. Keep up the great work, sir! 🙏❤️
As a motorcycle postie I spend all day doing full lock turns on every surface/angle imaginable in a typical town- it all comes down to road surface- loose stuff u ain't gonna go fast full lock anytime unless u want pensioners laughing at you from their kitchen windows lol. But I can confidently pull full lock turns at zombiesnailpace on mossy/frosty wet driveways fully upright all day long- sometimes speed is the enemy
Motojitsu does not know what he is talking about about 75% of the time I started watching his videos a while ago but stopped because most of his content is boring and uneducated and most of the time wrong. Thank you for pointing his bull shiet out 👍
Yep he didn't like one of my comments and banned me which on reflection saved my life from watching any more of his crap videos.
Thank you for saving honour, legitimacy and joy of very slow speed turning! Today i tried it and i was amazed to see that it is possible to make very slow speed turn even without opening gaz, just with clutch control. Each time I watch your slow speed turning videos I notice something new and learn new things. This time I realised how important and great your advice to not force, to not steer handle bars once we engaged counter steering. Then the baby turns by itself. Oh my god! Even without gaz! Amazing!
Isn’t counter steering the process to begin to lean de bike?!
@@carlostomas3698Not necesarilly. You brainwashed too ? 🤔😏
@@carlostomas3698 no it's not.
@@mygi43543 So, what is it?
@@carlostomas3698 it’s when your turning the handle bars away from the corner.
Yes you do it at slow speeds to de stabilise the bike and initiate the lean but then your front wheel will turn toward the turn. That doesn’t happen at higher speeds where countersteering is actually used
Beware, motojitsu has huge ego and can't take any criticism. Been there, done that. He even turns off comments under his videos when he really gets butthurt. :D
a lot of attempts on an enduro bike:
the tightiest turn (with both wheels on the ground and no skip/skid) is: max lean angle, max handlebar turn and the slowest achievable speed - thats more than a rule, there are no exceptions to this
road bikes are heavier so more speed is necessary to increase the lean angle and prevent falling
if you manage to ride full lock without sliding, than the more lean angle the tighter the turn
what does the lean angle bring? the shorter radius of the track of both wheels when turning: make a simple experiment: engine off and try a u-turn by pushing the bike with a full handlebar lock, compare radius/diameter when bike is upright and when leaned towards the center of a turn
both full lock and lean angle are efficient tools at slow speed turns, speed does not help to turn, but enables to lean the bike
riding with big lean angle at slow speed is dangerous - you are balancing on the edge of falling, you even feel and are falling when the speed is dropping
MotoJitsu is a prick. Sorry to be this straightforward but the guy can't take a critic and doesn't learn from the community. Even if he's wrong he won't admit. Keep up the good work mate. Cheers.
Same thing I said. It’s so true.
*MotoShihtzu
In one of his videos, I pointed out that he was wrong in his definition and difference between trail and rake. He didn’t like it and just said he isn’t going to correct what he said. That’s when I knew he is a prick and no different than any other self-declared “experts”. I bet he can’t even do a proper wheelie so I don’t think he is on that level of bike control mastery, ergo, not that good of a rider, just average like any of us.
I'm so glad someone sees him for who he is. I called him out on one of his videos and instead of having a conversation he just started with insults and condescending comments.
Remember when he used to call himself "fast eddie"?
Except that, by all accounts, he was slow af at that point. Even the track sessions were painfully slow from what i recall.
Maybe the content quality or advice has gone up along with his skills, maybe not, but the guy is a pedantic prick who at least in the earlier days of posting, couldn't really ride all that well besides some random parking lot drills.
Both channels offer good information to the community. We are blessed to have them both contribute to our development
Motojitsu is a most Excellent rider and instructor !! Just ask him yourself ,he'll tell you all about it 🤭😂..
😂😂😂🙈
😂😂😂😂
He's a great rider and instructor, but to state your opinions and preferences as absolute facts and blowing the differences out of proportion is intellectually dishonest
@@abu.nahiyan - He’s really neither a great rider OR instructor. If you’re gonna be such a huge pussy about ANY critical feedback. Delete any differing comments-even when they are CORRECT…you’re basically unfit to lead--ANYTHING…
Good video. This relaly boils down to use case - if youre doing drills in a clear, open lot, around a cone track or the like - then sure you can throw the bike way over and give it the beans motogykana style.
But doing a uturn in front of my house (to park on my side of the street) the sides of the road are covered in a LOT of gravel from the winter. If i just look back over my shoulder im not looking for oncoming traffic, and I'm not seeing where my wheels are going, which is really important when there are literal piles of gravel. And likewise, if i have the bike at 45 degrees and low speed with sport tires on piles of pea gravel, I'm going to eat that gravel.
Motojitsu isn't wrong, his method IS the way to get the tightest circle, and you should be able to do it, but youre 100% right:
Doing it another way is also not wrong, which is best depends entirely on the situation, and done correctly both are so similar its not really important.
Motojitsu gets too emotional and triggered /angry pretty quickly.
You both have good points. Full lock low speed can be a little more difficult for beginners to manage if they mjst suddenly stop in full luck turn. You both make good points and practice practice practice is essential for all riders old and new. Riding surface and traffic conditions will always dictate how the bike must be maneuvered. Fast lean tight turns must also be practiced to avoid other riders and vehicles.
Motojitsu is the type of guy who prints out brochures and pamphlets about motorcycle training, sells them on Amazon, then writes in his Hinge profile that he has "authored" several "books" 😂
The guy knows his shit, his delivery sucks all kinds of monkey dick. Hes arrogant as all get out
You shouldn’t lean without purpose. For practice, for specific line requirements etc. Definitely not for the purpose MJ dictates as if there is something wrong with deciding to stay up-rite. It all depends on many variables and we have to be like water when we ride.
What you gotta remember is that. Not everyone can go slow and have a full lock. It takes lots of practice to do so. Motojitsu way of doing the explaining at slow speed without lean is actually correct for most people who have not mastered going slow and having full control.
exactly !! unfortunately the comments became about ranting and criticizing Motojitsu. And they rant and rant without adding anything elevant. The guy is at least trying to tech something and it works. Maybe some don't agree about his cowboy US style but this doesn't make him ignorant in motorcycle dynamics or recommendation.
@@AzantysIndeed, he has good points. But he's also very wrong about a lot of things, but closes down when he is confronted with his possibly dangerous (or dumb) advices. He won't take any input from experienced riders other than pro-racers. That is what makes him lose the little cred that he is granted by the motorcycle community. It simply doesn't make sense that a guy that has been riding for ten years knows better than everybody else, wouldn't you agree ?
Ah thank you. I had got half way through his video and gave up as I didn't think it made sense.
Sometimes a half of a meter makes the difference between being able to make a u-turn in the available road width or not. Sometimes speed is the solution :)
And sometimes speed gets people killed. Making the distinction beforehand is the key. 🤪
If you liked that MotoShihtzu video, you should check out a recent "rider training" video by PetroHead called 5 Habits New & Experienced Motorcycle Riders Must Develop. It has lots of bad advice, including how leaning your upper body in turns is more important than steering input with hands. Lots of people have commented questioning what is said, but he just deletes the comments and now the video has almost no comments anymore. Someone needs to do a similar review video for this one too so he doesn't keep putting out educational videos without any accountability.
I miss the days when poor riders kept their bad habits to themselves. Now everyone is an influencer.
You're my first teacher. I'm sorry I am not able to join your subscriptionclass, I don't have money. Thank you for your videos here on YT. All I can do is to watch them in return. Now I can drive my semi automatic small displacement with the techniques from you.
~ Your student from Philippines.
I will add that Motojitsu wasn't using rear brake when he was turning and in your demonstration you were. That does make a difference, at least when I practice. I've also seen videos of riders moving their bikes upright in a circle and then doing the same thing with the bike leaned and the radius does reduce.
exactly . Using the rear brake is important for keeping it slow and balanced
When I was trained many years ago by police instructors, the back brake was heavily emphasised for control. I still use the back brake for all slow speed manoeuvres, as living in an area with lots of hills, hairpin bends and gravel, the front wheel would regularly wash out. Surprisingly, some riders claim to only use front brake in all situations.
@@borderlands6606 i presume they are on the sport bikes . Every motorbike is different if they are confident to use front brake then why not
@@46rrodriguezExperience does let you brake the rules a bit ;-)
@@46rrodriguez I think you may have jumped to conclusions from my comment. I never mentioned that it wasn't important to use rear brake just noting that the demonstration used rear brake where as Motojitsu's drill didn't.
"Even Motojitsu gets this wrong..."
Stop being nice. Motojitsu has never made a video where he wasn't either flat out wrong or presenting common knowledge as some revolutionary idea that he came up with. If anybody calls out his bs, he cries and turns off the comments.
presenting common knowledge in complicated manner to make himself seem smarter than you and calling you dumb.
Or rehashing something that was said by someone else or read from a book by lee parks
@@mygi43543MJ has personality issues. Sometimes I really feel bad bashing the guy. But then again, he doesn't stop pushing his BS and scoffing either...
Good to see I’m not the only one who thinks this way. He shits me. Well put guys 👍
@@JeffJeno1000 yeah. His comments would make you feel like an alien and alone but your not.
I learned a lot of two wheel control off-road with mountain bikes and dirt bikes. You can do insanely tight turns fully vertical with near zero speed.
10/10 counter point to MJ.
Great clarification 👍
I am a beginner and from a learners point of view both of you are right especially in relation to the size of the bikes and the purpose.
I occasionally watch MotoJitsu for tips, but he sometimes comes across as kind of toxic and narrow-minded. That never happens here, and I appreciate it.
I couldn’t agree more. MJ continually disappoints with his attitude and mind frame. I continually come to this channel for education and inspiration- awesome work!
Your comment convinced me to subscribe to this channel. I had to unsubscribe from MotoJitsu because his immaturity, fragile ego, and desperate self-promotion were detracting from the content.
You’re spot on. People know know MJ, aka Greg, know him to be abrasive and narcissistic.
But when he draws illustrations those are pretty impressive - :)
@@IrishBog😂
Andrei, thank you very much for this video. Best regards.
That guy gets a lot more wrong than people give him credit for.
I once corrected him about his opinion on Ryan of Fortnine's explanation about how motorcycles' tires behave while turning (leaning),he felt slighted. I just said it was just an explanation of what happened and not an instructional video, he then attacked me. Lol
@@lamefart
Sounds familiar. He's an idiot, imo. I'm not saying everything he says is wrong, and he has good useful videos. Everything he says sure as hell ain't right though, and he accepts correction like a child.
Edit: a spoiled child, but that's just my opinion.
Sure does. And he has an ego and thinks his opinion and way of doing things is the only and best way. If you don’t do it his way you’re wrong.
@@lamefarthis responses in the comments have turned me away from ever listening to him. Doesn’t matter how good you are, if you’re a jackass you’re gonna be treated like one.
@@mattburkett9419yeah man he is an arrogant person
Who also rides 50 mph over the limit and claims he is safe cause he is good
This is perfectly likely to happen when you have a bike with a higher center of gravity than normal, which is the case with the GS,
The GS has a very high center of gravity and is heavy, so you need to counterbalance it with some speed in order to stay upright, otherwise you'll fall off.
I think the reason your ktm turned so tightly even without leaning it, is because it's such a small bike (with the wheels being quite close to each otjer compared to other bigger bikes)
I feel that counter-weighting to increase lean angle is more important than speed to safely increase the lean angle of the motorcycle. Reducing the radius of a turn by increasing both speed and lean angle increases the traction required due to reduced turn radius and increased speed. Reducing the radius of a turn by increasing lean angle by counter-weighting increases the traction required only due to the reduced radius. Hence counter-weighting to increase lean angle provides better traction management than increasing speed to increase lean angle.
I blocked motojitsu channel long ago because of his american military style ‘he is always right’ type of explanations, without really explaining the needed details. Your content is much more thoughtful and informative.
Exactly "Do this, this way! Now! And if you don't, I'll hate you for it!"
Such a nice guy indeed... 😅
how I look at it:
2:58 slightly more weight (i.e. rider CG) on inside, bike upright, reduce speed (from walking speed) to avoid falling to outside of a turn, naturallly happens when slowing down from normal speed into dead slow traffic gaps or parking
3:15 (optional) weight on the outside (i.e. counter weighting), maintain bike lean angle, increase speed (from walking speed) to avoid falling into the turn, probably easiest to happen when starting to move from a stop
It seems to me, you're both right. Leaning allows you (actually requires you) to turn faster. Staying upright requires slower and slightly larger turning radii. Two different styles of riding for two different approaches to turning. Thanks to you both for all the great videos. I learn a lot from you both. Keeps up the good work.
his point is that turning circles are almost identical. You can do both ways, and you will lean if you have space for lean (it is easier). Turning without lean requires good balance and more difficult.
My good fellow ... please don't look at it as "" a requirement to go slow BECAUSE we are upright"" ... it literally is the other way around .
There is an important reason to thinking in the other direction .
We could do a Very large circle very quick in a very upright position at 4X the speed .
You rock Moto Control !
i tried motojitsu advice and find that is hard to get it right example dragging the rear brake. Moto Control and RoadcraftNottingham methods are much more easier to understand and get it right. Now my slow speed u turns also improve alot thx to moto control and roadcraft
both are beter for the road too
I still remember your video about how the front wheel balances the motorbike in turn on slow speeds. It helped me a lot to understand how slowing down tights the turns till full-lock position of handlebars. Without any additional handlebar pressure you can control the turn radius with just the speed. It was a game changer for me. It helped a lot in the license exam.
Thanks! I'm glad I could help😊
But…to “auto” full lock isn’t necessary some lean angle (even a slightest one at a very slow speed)?
@@carlostomas3698 When you start the turn you have to do a very little countersteering to lean the bike to the direction where you want to do circles, but after that you don't need any additional handlebar control to do endless circles. It was fun to check how the bike behaves when you play with the speed.
@@laszlokekkoi6020I’m not talking about counter-steering I’m talking about the self-steering effect when leaning the bike.
And, by the way, with more speed, more force must be applied to the handlebars to initiate the lean.
And yes, if we continue to apply force, more lean angle will be “produced”.
@@carlostomas3698 Yes, I agree.
Sorry my english is not the best so maybe I misunderstood you.
I only discuss "very low-speed"! maneuvers. At those speeds if you lower the speed the handlebar turns itself and at certain point it locks, meanwhile there is more and more leaning as you say, but without any handlebar push. Holding that locked position with just the speed is kinda scary for me, but fun... I think that is the tightest turn radius which you can achieve, but i'm not expert in the topic. :) Understanding this helped me a lot, because finally i started to trust my bike.☺
To get the license here in the EU you can't do the slow speed maneuvering course above about 4 mph.
Adressing the topic of turning while riding slow: "You have to go a little bit faster and lean in more (...)". That´s a straight "F" for FAIL.
We´re talking about slow riding. Going faster to do it "the right" way simply misses the topic.
That´s why I stopped watching Motojitsus videos.
Years ago he helped me to become a better rider, recently I can´t stop shaking my head.
As far as I know, he´s a track only guy now. It shows.
MJ's a parking lot only guy. Always was. Always will be. 😁
When did 10-15 mph become fast? It is still slow, just relatively faster than 5 mph.
@@NoNonsense_01"Slow riding" is riding your bike around pedestrian pace. Don´t tell me you´r walking 10-15 mph.
15 mph is over the speed limit in some big city streets (schools, kindergarten, play street, retirement homes).
I would excuse your opinion, if you´re the (real) Ghost Rider, because for him 100 mph IS "going slow".
"Slow riding" in Germany is half the pedestrian pace. If you can´t controle your bike going in circles, u-turn or slalom at that pace, you won´t get a license here.
@@frankt2658 I don't care about your made up definition of "slow riding". 10 mph is definitely slow.
I don't know who this "Ghost rider" is, nor do I care about German speed limits and licence.
You are free to redefine 10mph as fast riding or whatever. That would not change objective reality.
@@NoNonsense_01 OK. I understand..You´re one of these guys that are riding for more than 20 years in a straight line at minimum 30 mph.
My hamster can do that.
Just ask the knowledgeable riders, what "slow speed" means.
THEN, we can talk about riding motorcycles. ;)
Btw, Ghost Rider is a legend. Going 250+ mph in heavy traffic for more than 20 years, never caught, never crashed.
Again, ask the ones, who know. Even YT knows the Ghost Rider. Only the police will never get to know him.
Most likely, he´s scandinavian.