ehh I don't know. the original effect has a creepy abstract appeal, while the 90s version has that cheesy early cg charm. I don't think the 2023 version really captures what made either one appealing, it's the worst of both worlds.
@acefilms1992 - ‘creepy abstract appeal’ . . . I still prefer the spinning elongated hexagon which seems highly reminiscent of some modern UFO sightings but you’re certainly not wrong there ay . . .
06:20 is one of my favourite shots, with the aqueduct like bridge looming in the background. Imho, The Five Doctors could benefit from even more new FX of that nature. The Death Zone landscape is just so clearly British countryside. It needs to look more alien, with old ruins, crashed spacecraft, craters, evidence of the ancient war Games. Perhaps even, colour correct it to make it more similar to the orange-skied Gallifrey of Nu-Who.
I love the 2023 edition, it truly feels like the best parts of each previous versions melded together, plus the extended scope makes it feel really cinematic. My favourite change has to be the different tardises demating out of 5's, really love that bit of continuity!
I love additions of the planets in the sky, rassilon robot jump flips, lasers destroying cybermen and 4th dr time freeze images. Also the smoothness of the fade outs and new spinning obelisk is such an improvement. Glad all 3 are still available. I saw the original in the 80s on TV so it holds a special place.
I love the new effect for 4 and Romana being trapped! For once, it looks like they're trapped in a separate place with the same clothes on while panicking. Also, the TARDISes being the different versions at the end was a nice touch.
I love when the new effects take the original idea and polish them up instead of creating something brand new and too modern. The new time scoop is a perfect update.
I think the 40th Anniversary edition of The Five Doctors is my favourite. It keeps what works from the previous remaster but keeps elements from the original edit. I particularly like the new effect for as the various Doctors leave with it now being The Tardis exteriors from their own eras.
3:11 I dunno but.. I kinda prefer both the 83 and 95 version over the newest version. The tower looks so ominous. 5:22 I also prefer the old console screen display. It just.. *feels right*, ya know? Like it feels like it just makes sense that it'd look like that. The new version is *too new.* 7:57 I prefer the electric type effect from the 95 version. It feels like it would just hurt more. The 2023 beam and 83 beam are just kinda.. dancing around in the same spot and miss a lot. 9:25 Say what you will about the 83 and 95 versions looking extremely simple. But the 2023 effect looked so smudged.
"Say what you will about the 83 and 95 versions looking extremely simple. But the 2023 effect looked so smudged." The effect of the Fifth Doctor escaping the Cybermen is much better in the older versions. It looks bad in the new version.
It actually makes me wish there was the 1995 edit with the 2023 SFX...! I really like the new effects created for it, but, I miss some of those extended edit 1995 scenes a bit too much.
True but that technically was a rewrite of time so by very, VERY technical circumstance she would not have been there the first time round (wibbly wobbly timey whimey)
@@danyaelle1753 the event itself of the five doctors also is a bit of a Time rewrite the fourth doctor getting stuck is what causes there to be multiple versions of shada at least that's my head Cannon it happens the first time with him and Romina and then again with 8 and Romina
2:48 might be the best way of showing Tom and Lalla for this story. Far better than either version, definitely. The rest is very much up to opinion. Some I like more than the 1995 version, some I think the 1995 version is better at capturing the effect. And I agree. The punch is my favourite addition.
Overall I like it, mostly, though they made a slip up at around 5:40, the new digital matte slips a few pixels and cuts off the top of the Brigadier’s hair.
6:00 always made me laugh. *Turlough:* "Even if you reach..." *Doctor:* _[holds up his hand to shoosh him]_ *Turlough:* _[immediately starts talking again]_
Ah, The Brigadier. Blowing up Yeti, taking down Daleks, shooting Autons, killing Cybermen, and punching The Master. Nicholas Courtney was there for every Doctor from Troughton (2nd) to McGann (8th). There will never be another character in Who that equals his run and mark on the show.
I have to say, the 2023 version is really impressive! Staying close to the original yet enhancing the visuals. The only thing I believe the 1995 did well was the phantoms when they vanished. The time scoop in the original, I loved how each person seemed in pain, following the idea of the Death Zone being a brutal place.
I was thinking the same, the phantoms vanishing and the fifth Doctor's fading in and out were better in the 1995 version in my opinion, and I kind of liked how the '95 version of the timescoop returning the 4th Doctor and Romana dropped them back where they were taken from, but otherwise it's generally great. Doctor 3's lasso shot looks to be a bit crazy as the tower looks so far away in the 2023 version, but generally the tower shots look more consistent with each other in that version than the other ones.
I do like how the 2023 has the 4th Doctor and Romana wearing the right clothes. But if they were gonna use the 1983 footage for the resolution, they should’ve added the Time Scoop flying away. I can’t wait to view this story for myself when it releases in the US!!!
Some of those modern effects are awesome! The 3D scan on the tardis monitor looks great, and the masking of 5’s hand as he points at the screen is flawless
While I do love some of the newer effects on the 40th anniversary edition. Especially new Time Scoop & the Individual TARDISes departing. That’s honestly beautiful. But I’ll always prefer the 25th special edition. For adding additional scenes and much better score. Plus it was the first one I watched.
The new effects are really superb. Really keep with the spirit and aesthetic of the original but make it look acceptable to modern eyes. The updated graphics on the Tardis computer screen look so good too, so much better than what was possible in the 80s but still fit into the shot and universe so naturally. Really great work.
I managed to watch the 2023 edition last week. It was fun, and definitely an improvement on the TV version in terms of visual effects. But my preference will still be the 1995 Special Edition, because I prefer the way the scenes are structured and edited in that version. Also, I prefer the 'whirlpool' version of the Time Scoop, which frightened me as a kid, and I always rather liked the original model of the Dark Tower. Plus, the electric chessboard and the music from the harp of Rassilon are better in the 95 version. 😁
The 40th Anniversary effects were breathtaking - everything from the addition of the view of the ringed planet at the Eye of Orion to the improved movement of the Raston Warrior Robot. I'm looking forward to seeing the whole thing.
Still a missed opportunity not to have an establishing shot of the Timelord Citadel with a distant glowing white energy barrier in the distance covering the Death Zone to explain the grey Welsh sky.
This is amazing work, thank you! I always wanted to see the 1983 time scoop again as all the versions online that I could find have been the 1995 one. The black triangle is pretty terrible though...
The fact that the Brigadier comes to the following conclusion - “strange man dressed in black with weapon?! Must be the Master! BRIGADIER SMASH!” - is hilarious.
I love the new time scoop, realised as that very solid looking obelisk. A beautiful additional detail are the new crop circles it leaves on the grass for the 1st and 2nd Doctors and Sarah Jane. Also, how they've remade the Death Zone landscape is very clever in order to show the Doctors approaching it from different directions, rather than that same view obscured by dry ice.
4:22 - after decades of pleading, they FINALLY fix the effect of seeing the Tower in the background, instead of black background studio space!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fourth doctor and Romana on the president's monitor effect, the recall teleport effect are so cool and the death zone monitor visuals and include the doctor and Romana scene with his scarf getting caught in the door, add those into the 1995 version, remove the second teleport of the guards after chancellor flavia as that is just not necessary and you have i think the best version
Wonderful, Dan👏 I've been anticipating this video😎 The TARDIS console screen is a really good effect (must have taken some rotoscoping). And I like the subtle windows added to the back of the shot when the Cybermen are on the Pi floor. I liked the cloudy dematerialisation of the phantoms from the 1995 version though.
Wondering in another 10 years time what effects will they do? Will they have a new CGI Tom than old footage from Shada? Going back to 1983 original version, we see everyone how they were captured but, as for Susan we never see her get to the Death zone?
I love the 2023 edition, the only thing I think the other special edition does better is the scene where Tom Baker is put back. With Shada now being a completed story it doesn't make much sense putting him back later in that story, whereas the special edition sticks him right back rowing.
I like it as it adds to the head cannon of originally. The fourth doctor version happened , but due to the five doctors , it altered time so that the eighth doctor version happened If you didn't know there was an eighth doctor version of shada , it was a webcomic
The new shot compositions look great along with most of the other effects, the new Dalek effects turned out really well! One of my only gripes would probably be the new TARDIS console screen, I think the old, pixelated display suits it better in my opinion. Also, I'm not sure why they changed the sign outside of UNIT, it kind of sticks out and I don't really see why they needed to add the modern MOD and UNIT logos to replace the old sign. Other than that, I loved this! If, as I am led to believe, this was all made by one guy, I tip my hat to him!
I wonder what it would look like with the exterior shots colour graded to match the burnt orange skies we now know gallifrey for. Otherwise all these additions seem really cool, *thwack* (I do prefer the practical model of the tower though)
The image of red skies and silver trees predate this actually they come from the episode The sensorites which is a first doctor story but Gallifrey occasionally does appear to have a blue sky
The original will always be my favourite, but I really like what they did with the 40th anniversary version FX wise. The 95 version has some nice added scenes like the empty tower shots , but overall the extended scenes go on too long, Mr Whippy isn’t as effective as the black shape , and the less said about the scene of Sarah chucking a rock at the Cybermen the better... Nice comparison video 👍
Yes it is a bit confusing. There should be a little arrow or something. And I don't know why they're not in sequence (1983, 1995, 2023 from left to right).
I like most of the changes, the addition of the second version of the Unit logo was something I particularly liked, but I don't know about the updates to the computer screen graphics of Rassilon's tower. Feels a bit revisionist.
@@silvrfruitLike, things like updating spaceship models, weapon effects like Dalek Blasts, the Time Scoop, I like all that. But changing the computer screens oddly feels too far.
@@silvrfruitIt was considered for the 1995 SE, but it was considered to be beyond the budget for what wouldn’t have been much of an improvement only 12 years after the original.
The 2023 version isnt too bad, but i didn't like how they reinstated the 1983 shada footage and having the Doctors leave in the Tardis. In the 1995 version, the 4th Doctor and Romana are returned to the Thames River and the other Doctors leave via Time Scoop. Had they kept those two at the end, it would've been perfect.
Weird question but how where do you find 2023 and 1995 versions? I have watched episode on iPlayer in the classic doctor who section "five doctors"(to me it's weird how they put it as a separate season) and it was the 1983 original version
Wait, was the Cyberman Aaaah cut from the 2023 version or the 1995 version? Thank you the side by side comparison. I might get the new version after seeing all the improvements.
@@DanTheMan2150AD Good I love 💕 that Aaahh. It shows a lot of emotion for a Cyberman. 😆 It always makes me laugh 🤭 as well as every line between the Brigadier and Troughton.
I know the 1995 version has different dialogue compared to the 1983 version in some places. Can anyone tell me if the 2023 version has any dialogue changes compared to the '83 version?
The effects from the 2023 version are by far my favourite, as they attempt to combine the original and 1995 versions and do so really well - particularly the timescoop. The black obelisk looks way better than either of the other versions but is still similar to the original. I also like the improvements to some of the other effects which may look a bit dated - the random lasers in the scene with 3, sarah jane, and the master; the chessboard floor scene; the cybermen's guns; and the dalek lasers. However, so many of the new effects seem totally pointless, such as replacing the original shots of the dark tower with new CGI; I quite like the original model shots. Also the addition of planets in the sky in the eye of orion scenes, and the change to the transmat effect - the original looked fine, there was no reason to change it. Finally, I prefer the inclusion of the Shada footage continuing on from the scene they were taken from, as in the 1995 special edition, since the original version of the story is now canon. The 2023 version going back to the original footage used makes no sense if Shada is to continue being canon in its current form.
I like most of the 2023 changes, especially the multiple tardises leaving the tomb at the end. But why on earth did they add SCANLINES to Rassilon's visage? What kind of idiotic creative decision was that? The whole point of Rassilon was that his tech was so advanced, his fellow timelords couldn't figure it out. That really sticks out as a blaring mistake, especially when they went through so much effort to completely replace the computer screens (very well, I might add).
My only problem with the season 20 boxset is that some of the effects wonder off the 4:3 ratio and in this episode, the effects for the Raston Warrior Robot are forgotten in one scene and is literally it popping in and out, no effect. Other than that, amazing!
The 5 doctors gives continuity too the second doctor being saved before his forced regeneration as a agent for the time lords outside of his allotted time, which is played out in the big finish episodes
Not a fan of the new, more accurate colour grading for the film sequences of THE FIVE DOCTORS. They’re all over the place - not very consistent. I much prefer the grading from the 2008 SE DVD of THE FIVE DOCTORS, even if it’s revisionist. Some nice additions to the 40th anniversary cut - the Raston Robot CGI is nice, as is the Cybermen guns firing. But I still prefer the extended 1995 SE for THE FIVE DOCTORS. At some point, I’ll do my own edit that takes the more successful CGI replacements from the 40th and drop them into the 1995 SE.
Was never much of a fan of the 95 version, I saw the original one first so I'm biased. But the 2023 one really feels *right* in the sweet spot of original and new.
Brilliant summary, thank you so much! It kills me that US residents have to wait for the set to come out! The ONLY complaint I have is they didn't go back an matte or composite something MORE treacherous-looking for when Sarah Jane goes tumbling down the gentle hill. Patching in a precipice or cliff, even for a few seconds, would have been awesome. Overall, everything looked amazing. The Cybergun effect and Raston warrior effects are gorgeous!
Just noticed that at 8:15 the corresponding years disappear and at 8:47 the year changes at the wrong time… whoops
Looks like your redux comparison needs a redux.
You could have made it a little clearer as to which video is from which year you know
@@CricketEnglandit’s top and bottom
That spinning hexagon time scoop is so much better in keeping with both the spirit of the original as well as the theme of Gallifreyan aesthetics.
Yeah I didn't like the crystal poop emoji
ehh I don't know. the original effect has a creepy abstract appeal, while the 90s version has that cheesy early cg charm. I don't think the 2023 version really captures what made either one appealing, it's the worst of both worlds.
@acefilms1992 - ‘creepy abstract appeal’ . . . I still prefer the spinning elongated hexagon which seems highly reminiscent of some modern UFO sightings but you’re certainly not wrong there ay . . .
@@whophdIn the commentary, Terrance Dicks disparagingly calls it “Casper the Fwiendwy Ghost”! 😂
@@acefilms1992
A featureless spinning hexagon is far more creepy and abstract that what is clearly just a triangular matte cutout.
06:20 is one of my favourite shots, with the aqueduct like bridge looming in the background.
Imho, The Five Doctors could benefit from even more new FX of that nature.
The Death Zone landscape is just so clearly British countryside.
It needs to look more alien, with old ruins, crashed spacecraft, craters, evidence of the ancient war Games.
Perhaps even, colour correct it to make it more similar to the orange-skied Gallifrey of Nu-Who.
I love the 2023 edition, it truly feels like the best parts of each previous versions melded together, plus the extended scope makes it feel really cinematic. My favourite change has to be the different tardises demating out of 5's, really love that bit of continuity!
Me too. The tardises were an awesome edition
I love additions of the planets in the sky, rassilon robot jump flips, lasers destroying cybermen and 4th dr time freeze images. Also the smoothness of the fade outs and new spinning obelisk is such an improvement. Glad all 3 are still available. I saw the original in the 80s on TV so it holds a special place.
*Raston.
I love the new effect for 4 and Romana being trapped!
For once, it looks like they're trapped in a separate place with the same clothes on while panicking.
Also, the TARDISes being the different versions at the end was a nice touch.
I love when the new effects take the original idea and polish them up instead of creating something brand new and too modern. The new time scoop is a perfect update.
I think the 40th Anniversary edition of The Five Doctors is my favourite. It keeps what works from the previous remaster but keeps elements from the original edit. I particularly like the new effect for as the various Doctors leave with it now being The Tardis exteriors from their own eras.
Thanks for this. I love love love the different TARDISes departing at the end of the 2023 edition.
Interesting to see. I do actually prefer all of the exterior views of The Tower of Rassilon from 1983 though.
Yeah I wish they kept the mini model for some of the close up shots
It's fantastic that all these versions are available, regardless of which ones an individual prefers. Some other franchises should take note.
My biggest problem with the newest version is that they replaced the nice model of the tomb of rassilon with a cgi version that probably wont age well
3:11
I dunno but.. I kinda prefer both the 83 and 95 version over the newest version. The tower looks so ominous.
5:22
I also prefer the old console screen display. It just.. *feels right*, ya know? Like it feels like it just makes sense that it'd look like that. The new version is *too new.*
7:57
I prefer the electric type effect from the 95 version. It feels like it would just hurt more. The 2023 beam and 83 beam are just kinda.. dancing around in the same spot and miss a lot.
9:25
Say what you will about the 83 and 95 versions looking extremely simple. But the 2023 effect looked so smudged.
"Say what you will about the 83 and 95 versions looking extremely simple. But the 2023 effect looked so smudged."
The effect of the Fifth Doctor escaping the Cybermen is much better in the older versions. It looks bad in the new version.
It actually makes me wish there was the 1995 edit with the 2023 SFX...!
I really like the new effects created for it, but, I miss some of those extended edit 1995 scenes a bit too much.
They missed a trick on the 2023 version by not including Clara in Bessie’s wing mirror when the Third Doctor is captured
Ew no 🤮
The only thing I would have asked is, "How?"
True but that technically was a rewrite of time so by very, VERY technical circumstance she would not have been there the first time round (wibbly wobbly timey whimey)
@@danyaelle1753 the event itself of the five doctors also is a bit of a Time rewrite the fourth doctor getting stuck is what causes there to be multiple versions of shada at least that's my head Cannon it happens the first time with him and Romina and then again with 8 and Romina
@@plantainsame2049 sorry it's Romana though that's an interesting theory.
I love the Master's fall to the ground, when the Brigadier punches him. Makes me laugh every time
2:48 might be the best way of showing Tom and Lalla for this story. Far better than either version, definitely. The rest is very much up to opinion. Some I like more than the 1995 version, some I think the 1995 version is better at capturing the effect.
And I agree. The punch is my favourite addition.
Overall I like it, mostly, though they made a slip up at around 5:40, the new digital matte slips a few pixels and cuts off the top of the Brigadier’s hair.
Plus a couple of scenes of the raston warrior robot without new cgi jumps
2:53 I love the small detail of the floating hexagon in the 2023 version leaving a mark on the ground when grabbing Sarah. A nice attention to detail
6:00 always made me laugh.
*Turlough:* "Even if you reach..."
*Doctor:* _[holds up his hand to shoosh him]_
*Turlough:* _[immediately starts talking again]_
Ah, The Brigadier. Blowing up Yeti, taking down Daleks, shooting Autons, killing Cybermen, and punching The Master. Nicholas Courtney was there for every Doctor from Troughton (2nd) to McGann (8th). There will never be another character in Who that equals his run and mark on the show.
Nick was also there for Hartnell, as Bret Vyon, but was also there for the 1st Doctor as this story shows.
I have to say, the 2023 version is really impressive! Staying close to the original yet enhancing the visuals. The only thing I believe the 1995 did well was the phantoms when they vanished. The time scoop in the original, I loved how each person seemed in pain, following the idea of the Death Zone being a brutal place.
I was thinking the same, the phantoms vanishing and the fifth Doctor's fading in and out were better in the 1995 version in my opinion, and I kind of liked how the '95 version of the timescoop returning the 4th Doctor and Romana dropped them back where they were taken from, but otherwise it's generally great. Doctor 3's lasso shot looks to be a bit crazy as the tower looks so far away in the 2023 version, but generally the tower shots look more consistent with each other in that version than the other ones.
1:45 the looping clip of them running in the 2023 version 😂
Excellent work. Nice to see the comparisons. Cheers for posting.
6:25 Does that feel good?
Cyber man: ah
Thank you SO much for this.
I do like how the 2023 has the 4th Doctor and Romana wearing the right clothes. But if they were gonna use the 1983 footage for the resolution, they should’ve added the Time Scoop flying away. I can’t wait to view this story for myself when it releases in the US!!!
Yes I think this is a retrograde step; the doctor lying in an alleyway for no reason made no sense in 1983 to me
LOL that sound the cyberman makes at 6:25
The 40th Anniversary edition is my favorite hands down, but I like all three, and am glad they are all in the boxset.
Some of those modern effects are awesome! The 3D scan on the tardis monitor looks great, and the masking of 5’s hand as he points at the screen is flawless
While I do love some of the newer effects on the 40th anniversary edition. Especially new Time Scoop & the Individual TARDISes departing. That’s honestly beautiful.
But I’ll always prefer the 25th special edition. For adding additional scenes and much better score. Plus it was the first one I watched.
The new effects are really superb. Really keep with the spirit and aesthetic of the original but make it look acceptable to modern eyes. The updated graphics on the Tardis computer screen look so good too, so much better than what was possible in the 80s but still fit into the shot and universe so naturally.
Really great work.
I agree
I think they went a bit overboard with the rotating 3D graphics but they're a damn sight better than those cyan and magenta CGA graphics from before!
@@jkkay477not CGA! The graphics on the monitor for much of the 5th Doctor run were produced on the magnificent BBC Micro.
I managed to watch the 2023 edition last week. It was fun, and definitely an improvement on the TV version in terms of visual effects. But my preference will still be the 1995 Special Edition, because I prefer the way the scenes are structured and edited in that version. Also, I prefer the 'whirlpool' version of the Time Scoop, which frightened me as a kid, and I always rather liked the original model of the Dark Tower. Plus, the electric chessboard and the music from the harp of Rassilon are better in the 95 version. 😁
Tower definitely looks better on the 1995 one.. Luckily we have all three.
I agree on everything except for the time swirl. The new one is really impressive
The 40th Anniversary effects were breathtaking - everything from the addition of the view of the ringed planet at the Eye of Orion to the improved movement of the Raston Warrior Robot. I'm looking forward to seeing the whole thing.
they def cooked with the new one. I also think it's great that we now have three versions to compare.
Still a missed opportunity not to have an establishing shot of the Timelord Citadel with a distant glowing white energy barrier in the distance covering the Death Zone to explain the grey Welsh sky.
I'm glad you captured all of Turlough's contributions to this story for this video :D
Man, can the Master leg it across rough terrain or WHAT. Lol. 😆
This is amazing work, thank you! I always wanted to see the 1983 time scoop again as all the versions online that I could find have been the 1995 one. The black triangle is pretty terrible though...
5:04 it's getting closer.
The fact that the Brigadier comes to the following conclusion - “strange man dressed in black with weapon?! Must be the Master! BRIGADIER SMASH!” - is hilarious.
I love the new time scoop, realised as that very solid looking obelisk. A beautiful additional detail are the new crop circles it leaves on the grass for the 1st and 2nd Doctors and Sarah Jane. Also, how they've remade the Death Zone landscape is very clever in order to show the Doctors approaching it from different directions, rather than that same view obscured by dry ice.
4:22 - after decades of pleading, they FINALLY fix the effect of seeing the Tower in the background, instead of black background studio space!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I miss the spinning triangle.
5:20 the screen is a touchscreen now. nice
Nicely done!
( 2:49 ) My favourite new edition to the 2023 version! 😘
Awesome! Thanks
The 2023 effects are clearly the best.
The fourth doctor and Romana on the president's monitor effect, the recall teleport effect are so cool and the death zone monitor visuals and include the doctor and Romana scene with his scarf getting caught in the door, add those into the 1995 version, remove the second teleport of the guards after chancellor flavia as that is just not necessary and you have i think the best version
my two favourite bits in the new version are the new doctor and romana "trapped" footage and the bridge across to the tower
ooh ooh and just noticed i also love the way the punt gets pushed down and then pops back up at 2:45 😁
It’s funny and non threatening when they’re running away from a triangle in the 80s cut.
This might explain why the commentary-only edition of the Rifftrax on this special is taking so long to be released
Wonderful, Dan👏 I've been anticipating this video😎
The TARDIS console screen is a really good effect (must have taken some rotoscoping). And I like the subtle windows added to the back of the shot when the Cybermen are on the Pi floor. I liked the cloudy dematerialisation of the phantoms from the 1995 version though.
The new effects look amazing!
Not all of them.
@@pferreira1983 Most of them do tho
@@VortexProductions01 Half of them I feel do.
Wondering in another 10 years time what effects will they do? Will they have a new CGI Tom than old footage from Shada? Going back to 1983 original version, we see everyone how they were captured but, as for Susan we never see her get to the Death zone?
I love the 2023 edition, the only thing I think the other special edition does better is the scene where Tom Baker is put back. With Shada now being a completed story it doesn't make much sense putting him back later in that story, whereas the special edition sticks him right back rowing.
I like it as it adds to the head cannon of originally. The fourth doctor version happened , but due to the five doctors , it altered time so that the eighth doctor version happened
If you didn't know there was an eighth doctor version of shada , it was a webcomic
The new shot compositions look great along with most of the other effects, the new Dalek effects turned out really well! One of my only gripes would probably be the new TARDIS console screen, I think the old, pixelated display suits it better in my opinion. Also, I'm not sure why they changed the sign outside of UNIT, it kind of sticks out and I don't really see why they needed to add the modern MOD and UNIT logos to replace the old sign. Other than that, I loved this! If, as I am led to believe, this was all made by one guy, I tip my hat to him!
That is a bit odd if we wanted to add more realism or something they would just get rid of the great big sign pointing everyone to their secret base
I wonder what it would look like with the exterior shots colour graded to match the burnt orange skies we now know gallifrey for. Otherwise all these additions seem really cool, *thwack* (I do prefer the practical model of the tower though)
The image of red skies and silver trees predate this actually they come from the episode The sensorites which is a first doctor story but Gallifrey occasionally does appear to have a blue sky
4:20 Still the best Dalek Death scene ever in every version.
Love the new new effects 👍
Unpopular opinion: I prefer the original 1983 version. It’s what I grew up watching.
Same with me 👍
While most of these are a dramatic improvement, I feel the Raston Warrior Robot loses something with the addition of an effect. Not sure why.
The 2023 version of the Time Scoop kind of resembles the Eye of Harmony from The Deadly Assassin. Just an observation.
I don't think that was the I think that was the control to manipulate the eye
The original will always be my favourite, but I really like what they did with the 40th anniversary version FX wise. The 95 version has some nice added scenes like the empty tower shots , but overall the extended scenes go on too long, Mr Whippy isn’t as effective as the black shape , and the less said about the scene of Sarah chucking a rock at the Cybermen the better...
Nice comparison video 👍
I can't tell which clip refers to which date
Doctor Who pops the clutch and tells the Time Lords to eat his dust.
Took me a bit of time to work out which year was which 😅
All so the special edition version of the five doctors was the first doctor who dvd to be released it came out on dvd in 1999 I have got it on dvd
So which images is from which year! You could have made it a little clearer
Yes it is a bit confusing. There should be a little arrow or something. And I don't know why they're not in sequence (1983, 1995, 2023 from left to right).
1995 is still my favorite. While the new time scoop in the 2023 version is kind of cool, I don't like the new look of Rassilon's tower.
While I love most of the new effects, the Raston Warrior felt far more effective blipping in and out of existence without the shiny CGI.
Why is the Dalek death ray purple in the 2023 version?
No idea
I like most of the changes, the addition of the second version of the Unit logo was something I particularly liked, but I don't know about the updates to the computer screen graphics of Rassilon's tower. Feels a bit revisionist.
Yeah, it looks good but it’s not really in keeping with the general aesthetic. Looks too modern
@@silvrfruitLike, things like updating spaceship models, weapon effects like Dalek Blasts, the Time Scoop, I like all that. But changing the computer screens oddly feels too far.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer I like updates that feel like they could have been done at the time if they'd had a bigger budget.
@@silvrfruitIt was considered for the 1995 SE, but it was considered to be beyond the budget for what wouldn’t have been much of an improvement only 12 years after the original.
@@silvrfruit I agree, I think a 1983 episode shouldn't have computer screens that are obviously modern day graphics.
First it was the Vicious Triangle, then the Ominous Shroud, and now the Chess Piece of Doom.
The 2023 version isnt too bad, but i didn't like how they reinstated the 1983 shada footage and having the Doctors leave in the Tardis. In the 1995 version, the 4th Doctor and Romana are returned to the Thames River and the other Doctors leave via Time Scoop.
Had they kept those two at the end, it would've been perfect.
If only Tom Baker could have been in this :(
Very interesting! Can I ask, is the 95 version presented on the set in HD sourced from the film? Or is it just the dvd release upscaled? Thanks
It’s HD
@@DanTheMan2150AD Thank you!
Weird question but how where do you find 2023 and 1995 versions? I have watched episode on iPlayer in the classic doctor who section "five doctors"(to me it's weird how they put it as a separate season) and it was the 1983 original version
@@L0g0Z0g0 Blu-ray and DVD
They *could* make a special as epic as The Five Doctors with modern Who. That's all that matters.
Wait, was the Cyberman Aaaah cut from the 2023 version or the 1995 version? Thank you the side by side comparison. I might get the new version after seeing all the improvements.
Cut from the 95 version. Reinstated for the 23 version.
@@DanTheMan2150AD Good I love 💕 that Aaahh. It shows a lot of emotion for a Cyberman. 😆 It always makes me laugh 🤭 as well as every line between the Brigadier and Troughton.
6:30 "Moustache"?! What kind of good-bye is that?
"Must dash.", as in "I have to run/go."
I know the 1995 version has different dialogue compared to the 1983 version in some places. Can anyone tell me if the 2023 version has any dialogue changes compared to the '83 version?
It doesn’t
Rassilon in his Daddy Pig phase
where would i be able to watch the 1983 version? I can only find newer ones
DVD/ Blu-ray I assume
The Collection box sets have all versions of any revamped episode, from the original to the latest, all restored.
When the doctor is pointing to the screen on the console, you can still see bits of pink around his finger from the original graphics lol
The effects from the 2023 version are by far my favourite, as they attempt to combine the original and 1995 versions and do so really well - particularly the timescoop. The black obelisk looks way better than either of the other versions but is still similar to the original. I also like the improvements to some of the other effects which may look a bit dated - the random lasers in the scene with 3, sarah jane, and the master; the chessboard floor scene; the cybermen's guns; and the dalek lasers. However, so many of the new effects seem totally pointless, such as replacing the original shots of the dark tower with new CGI; I quite like the original model shots. Also the addition of planets in the sky in the eye of orion scenes, and the change to the transmat effect - the original looked fine, there was no reason to change it. Finally, I prefer the inclusion of the Shada footage continuing on from the scene they were taken from, as in the 1995 special edition, since the original version of the story is now canon. The 2023 version going back to the original footage used makes no sense if Shada is to continue being canon in its current form.
The 2023 has a number of things that are inferior because they used the 1983 version as a source.
I might think of one solution. Want to hear it.
@@disneyboy3030 Feel free.
I like most of the 2023 changes, especially the multiple tardises leaving the tomb at the end. But why on earth did they add SCANLINES to Rassilon's visage? What kind of idiotic creative decision was that? The whole point of Rassilon was that his tech was so advanced, his fellow timelords couldn't figure it out. That really sticks out as a blaring mistake, especially when they went through so much effort to completely replace the computer screens (very well, I might add).
My only problem with the season 20 boxset is that some of the effects wonder off the 4:3 ratio and in this episode, the effects for the Raston Warrior Robot are forgotten in one scene and is literally it popping in and out, no effect. Other than that, amazing!
The 5 doctors gives continuity too the second doctor being saved before his forced regeneration as a agent for the time lords outside of his allotted time, which is played out in the big finish episodes
6:25 “ough”
Not a fan of the new, more accurate colour grading for the film sequences of THE FIVE DOCTORS. They’re all over the place - not very consistent. I much prefer the grading from the 2008 SE DVD of THE FIVE DOCTORS, even if it’s revisionist.
Some nice additions to the 40th anniversary cut - the Raston Robot CGI is nice, as is the Cybermen guns firing. But I still prefer the extended 1995 SE for THE FIVE DOCTORS.
At some point, I’ll do my own edit that takes the more successful CGI replacements from the 40th and drop them into the 1995 SE.
Was never much of a fan of the 95 version, I saw the original one first so I'm biased. But the 2023 one really feels *right* in the sweet spot of original and new.
I've never had a problem with the look of the original at all.
It's weird to me that they're so fixated on tinkering with this effect tbh
Still my fave dalek death to this day. The rest all seem so hollow.
I still prefer the 1995 version of the Time Scoop effect...
1983 easily the best
The Mutton Chops of Rassilon™!
Brilliant summary, thank you so much! It kills me that US residents have to wait for the set to come out!
The ONLY complaint I have is they didn't go back an matte or composite something MORE treacherous-looking for when Sarah Jane goes tumbling down the gentle hill. Patching in a precipice or cliff, even for a few seconds, would have been awesome.
Overall, everything looked amazing. The Cybergun effect and Raston warrior effects are gorgeous!
The original black spinning triangle is still the best.