The most important video you've made and the best yet. 👏Tennis governing bodies are virtually alone in not banning players from Russia and Belarus. Where was the outcry when Russian swimmers, badminton players, athletes, gymnasts, show jumpers, table tennis players etc were banned at the very start of the invasion. These are "individual" sports. Sanctions are imposed to isolate a regime and not just economically but culturally.
Tennis has broader appeal than the sports you mentioned. The Russians also have some elite players so their absence will reduce the quality of the tennis. The Davis Cup is a tennis event that is based on nationality but besides that tennis is an individual sport based on rankings.
@@upfulsoul826 Most of the sports above are individual sports based on rankings. I am not sure broader appeal should be a reason for making a different decision in this case.
Broader appeal is not a a reason for making a different decision. Banning athletes based on their nationality is wrong no matter the sport. The explanation they are giving is why the outrage is coming now that tennis players are banned. Because it is one of the most viewed and where the Russian/Belorussian athletes have more popularity so it’s now that this kind of bans are getting more attention. They have gotten their own individual backlash from smaller sports but not big enough for the whole sport world to be talking about it because the whole world is not talking about those sports
They should've been banned, ANY nation invading another should be banned from everything. But anglosaxons will never own up to it, nore allow the rest of the world to isolate them, besides the obvios economical obstacles to doing it . That doesn't make russians innocent by-standers.
It doesn’t make Russians innocent but it doesn’t make the rest of the countries less guilty either. And I get that Ukrainian people are specially focused on getting russian athletes banned because Russia is affecting their country. But other countries and international organizations should act equally to all countries that are involved in such kind of actions. If they don’t, that’s being discriminatory towards one country and biased. And they are not defending peace and anti-war, they are just against the russian war
Daniil Medvedev lives in Monte Carlo, I'd be shocked if he spends more than a month a year in Russia. Sorry but the decision to ban him is pure crap. How bout you go after all the Russian calaborators aka Wallstreet? Wonder if HSBC will be sponsoring the event this year? Maybe we should cancel the whole event because they are being funded by cartel money.
They have banned wrong Medvedev:) seriously this will not help anyhow, rather than gather more sympathies to Russian and Belorussian players, because this is real discrimination based on nationality.
@@PavelProuzaCZ You really think banning players starting as neutrals would be anti propaganda and not strengthen the believe that the west is unfairly anti-Russia instead?
@@arroe8386 So long as russian soldiers are killing ukranians, medvedeb can go fuck himself for all I care man, he's a millionare, why should anyone give a fuck about a millionare athlete's slight discomfort? It's not like his house is being bombed, is it? In the meantime he could go on a vacation at the bahamas idk or crimea perhaps 🙄 Also why should anyone care about what russians think? Do you think they give a fuck about what you think? Get real.
What is happening in Ukraine is sad. However, that is no reason to discriminate against innocent people that have nothing to do with it. You should save your hate for the actual evil people…. Putin etc. and the soldiers and crazies supporting them. Medvedev and Sabalenka are not those people.
While you present many valid points, you cannot justify banning someone based on their origin which is essentially what this is. Some of These athletes have also condemned this war even though it does put them in more danger than otherwise. I really don’t know what you more you can expect from them nor do I see the correlation between their origin of birth and political affiliation. The war in Ukraine is tragic but targeting individuals based on their nationality only sets an even worse precedent and is no different than the way Russians have unjustly looked down on Ukrainians and others
Nobody condemned this war and actions from their government from russian or belarussian players. Nobody. Kasatkina was the closest one saying that she would love to play Wimbi but there is nothing more important than human life. All those “no to war” and “i’m for peace” translated to russian means that Ukraine has to stop fighting… And we don’t want anything from them anymore, too late
@@Illya_Marchenko but how is that even their responsibility? It would be different if they were openly supporting Putin and the war but how does being silent or saying “no to war” effectively make you guilty for being Russian?
7:40 - thank you! i fundamentally agree that if we apply sanctions like that then it's an agreeable position that we do the same to the USA, Israel, etc
The solution is simple: the players should not be represented with a russian or belarussian flag at all (not in the television score zone/ not wearing something that represent their contries or even named them in commentary as "russian/bellarussian".....thats it they represent themself they dont represent their contries ....but banned them from competing is unfair and a coward move.
The solution to what? Russians are competeing at olympics without a flag since how many years? They don't give a f... They know if there is no flag - it's russian
Man, I don’t think this measure will help anyone. We won’t see Mevdevev protesting on the streets with few other top players. If that’s not the case - what’s the use of the whole thing
@@Illya_Marchenko illyan im sorry to say your emotions overcomes your thinking....we are talking now about tennis "individual sport " not olympics .....and yes if an athlete in individual sport dont give a f about politics live him alone ..he has the full right to compete he represent himself.
It is really hard to return russian people from parallel reality created by propaganda. And hiding flag will change nothing. The real problem is that they don't want to acknowledge what their country is doing (the same way as most of Germans didn't want to think about that as well during WW2), so saying that 'it affects some individuals' is not enough message when president of those individuals wants a neighbor country to be wiped out, their friends are sending rockets onto schools, hospitals and apartments for months and their relatives are glad to kill and rape innocent civilians. I am not sure which message can be enough, but civilized World should not try to tolerate such actions at least until it is clear that the message is heard.
the question for me isn't really about whether or not it is unfair to the athletes but always if the ends will actually lead to anything substantial or is it just for show. i agree that sports have historically been a part of politics (jackie robinson, arthur ashe, the world cup, etc) but the issue i have with this particular sanction is that it won't actually move the needle or help people in the end. it is symbolism for the sake of symbolism. they could have had these players have to forfeit their prize money for humanitarian causes or had the money of the tournament do that. it's like posting a "black lives matter" lawn sign outside your house without actually doing anything to help black people.
Nah. I'm Indian. Fk the Azov battalion and the ukrainian government for continuing to fund these N*zis. 🤮 🇮🇳 ❤️🇷🇺. Anyways , never heard of this ukrainian player before, so this video likely wont get alot of views.
I'm Russian but I live in Germany and I think that Russian players are not guilty beacuse they didnt choose to be Russian so I think ban is stupid.Also last week I was wearing Russian football jersey and police asked me to take it off and when I refused he told me that if I dont take it off I will have problems.Then few people started yelling at me and some guy wanted to kill me.Police just ignored the situation and left.
This is not going to help Ukraine, also this kind of measures will set a precedent, when other conflicts happen, to discriminate players(and people) for their nationality (thats the reasoning of ATP and WTA I think). This is not going to help and its just political way to humiliate Russians that have nothing to do with Putin and his craziness, you say that you don't know what they(players) mean when they say no war, pathetic argument. Do you know what Rublev meant when he said he will donate all the prize money of Wimbledon(if allowed to play) to Ukraine? or it's still not clear for you...
Ты серьезно думаешь, что 70% поддерживают войну? Эта цифра взята с потолка ВЦИОМом, никто ж не верит, когда Путин выигрывает выборы с 70% голосов, а 90% слишком палевно. Независимые российские политики показывают, что поддержка что-то вроде 50/50 Я за то, чтобы банить только тех, кто за Путина. А если человек всю жизнь катает челленджеры, у него есть деньги, чтобы устроить всю семью? Футболист может уехать заграницу, и ему по контракту дадут кучу преференций с жильем, а как какой-нибудь Шевченко будет вытаскивать родню из Ростова? Но это ладно. Ты же знаешь, что Рублев предложил Уимблдону отправить все призовые на гумпомошь, а это, кстати, в России запрещено. Почему ему отказали? Он даже сказал, что готов подписать, что не поддерживает Путина, а ему все равно отказали.
All points well made, and I understand your message both from a facts / rational and emotional point of view. However, I do not agree with your conclusion. I agree with the ATP/WTA stance: it sets a dangerous precedent. There is no way western nations (particularly the USA) will ever be judged by the same standards and have their athletes banned. It would never happen. They are far too powerful. (The ATP / WTA have headquarters in Florida, London, Monaco and banks accounts in these countries etc.) Just take a second to look at how desperate the US are to get hold of Julian Assange and put him in jail / sentence him to death for having exposed US war crimes... France (I am French) has done highly questionable "things" in Africa for decades. French athletes would never get banned. The diplomatic relationships between western countries are strong and they control the money flows. So, in the end, only opposing nations to the western countries would ever be banned. There would never be fairness and consistency. I know I'm talking "very big picture" and you are saying "We need a solution now". Fair enough. But I don't think we can do something like this unless we will 100% be fair and consistent in the future. It will never happen. so, in the end, only some athletes, from some nations will be deprived from years of their career for the actions of their government. I cannot agree to that.
There is a huge difference between russia and other western nations that have committed war crimes and other atrocities. russia has the majority of its people's support, who are fully aware of what's happening, while other countries don't. russia should have been excluded a long time ago for what they have done in Syria, Georgia, Ukraine etc. There is no one country in Europe/America that is currently committing more executions, more mass rapes and more war crimes in general than russia. That is why russia is the priority here.
@@vasiliki4971 OK, so, firstly I would question your opening statement. If you take the Iraq war for example, the US population was a good 90% for it, in fact galvanised for it at the time. Yes, it's correct, no one right now is a worst aggressor than Russia (although, pick a few African countries and that is also debatable). That is anyway not the point I am making. You cannot ban players of one particular country for one stated reason, and then not apply the same rule (in the future) to other countries committing the same type of offences. And there is no way Wimbledon (for example) would apply the same rule to a western super power. That's just "how it goes". Diplomatic relationships, money flows, banking would never permit that to happen. Again, that's just "how it goes". Therefore, this "rule" will only ever apply to a certain type of countries and athletes, and not others. I can't see how that would be right.
@@dontennis2260 nearly a century ago, before the world became a global economy. and in a world war context. Sure, no doubt if there is another world war, sports will be seriously disrupted / bans will occur. However there is simply no conceivable way US athletes would ever be banned / held to the same standards of the actions of their goverment (outside of a world war context). Do you really think the French open would ban US athletes? Wimbledon would ban US athletes? there is just no way this would ever be on the table.
I can not even begin to imagine how hard this must be for you guys, blessings to your country and people ... But, as you very well said, it is politics. It was politics when unvaccinated were banned, it is politics when Wimbledon wants to ban russian players. Does it make it right? I am sorry but I don't think so. Correcting a wrong with another wrong does not make a right. It was wrong with unvaccinated, it is wrong with russians. But I am trying to follow your thoughts. You assume that players that are banned will use their influence to protest against Putin. Is it possible that this can backfire? I mean, the feeling of injustice brings people to test their limits. Is it possible that this injustice might even help the propaganda? Will they be against Putin or will they be against the hypocrisy of the Occidental Word? Please don't get me wrong: my wish is that the war stops with an independent Ukraine, I just wonder what good will come from this type of banning...
100% agree, some of these measures might even bring Russians together, this helps to create a common enemy for all Russians. To be honest I think this is driven more by revenge than by reason, which is understandable, non of this is going to help anyone
This was a very well researched and considered video and I think most people in this comment section truly sympathize with the plight of Ukraine & Ukrainians. However, we can't know for sure what would happen to the players' family and friends within Russia if they spoke out and forcing them to make some kind of anti-invasion statement in order to play is completely against Western values and liberal principles of pluralism and freedom of thought. I also think if we take this stance to ban Russians/Belarussians from Wimbledon to its logical endpoint, we should ban Russian citizens living in Western countries from working in the West unless they speak out against the war which as we know from history is not morally right or effective in ending the war. My thoughts are with Ukraine daily and like you said, I totally understand how you as a Ukrainian think this isn't a sacrifice compared to what your people are going through but there's a bigger picture that policymakers need to look at.
Not to comment on the fact that there are more countries than Russia right now that are involved in wars/invasions. If they apply it to one country, why are they not applying it to all
Excellent explanation 👏🏻 not that anyone who still has questions or thinks along the lines “it’s not that simple” or “this ban won’t change anything” will understand, but nevertheless 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻💛💙
I think Wimbledon made this ban the wrong way. Denying players solely on nationality is not exactly what Ukrainians would appreciate (and I'm telling this as a Ukrainian myself). The distinction should've been made basing on more concrete actions of the players. In my view the dividing fact is where the taxes go. Players earn the prize money and then they pay taxes. If some player is a resident of Russia and pays taxes there, then he is financing the terrorist state, that invaded other country. If the player represents Russia, but at the same time he is a resident of other country, where he pays taxes, then he should be allowed to play. Russian players who reside outside Russia shall make a private statement to ATP/WTA that they are not paying taxes to Russian authorities and also do not support the regime financially on their own accord. If they lie about this and then later it will be revealed, they should be striped of the points/money and disqualified. This is very clear and material distinction. I don't even think that ATP/WTA could oppose to the decision formulated this way. Then only actual supporters of the regime would've been banned and the rest of players would get their well deserved points.
I understand what you say and see the point of view from your side. But still, russian players are not that huge of influence on russian politics. Maybe all tennis players need to lear about others problems. Should we ban muslim players because of extremist or catholic players for priest raping and killing kids? It should be a time to unite and not divide. I think you are focusing on the wrong influence to war, why dont you ask everybody in ATP and WTA to stop competition 🤔? $$$$$$ right? So this statement seems a bit two face. You should ask everybody in the sport to stop and make the people with the money preassure to stop war. When you hit peoples wallet they react even more powerful than russian players. Stopping tournaments is more reactive than a few players but I guess all these people are afraid to do this right it will affect players wallet as well. I respect what you say, but its a bit speaking with hate and its understandable but seems not speaking with much sense in regards to who csn have influence to stop this war, and you ask too much even from players that already spoke out.
We don’t want them to influence politics, they need to influence their fans. Those fans who are among those 70%. We don’t want to ban them for the sake of banning, we want them to speak up against Putin and this war, but they are quite all this time. To stop the tour and all sport until the war is finished? Ukrainian athletes and tennis players will agree on this big time with no hesitation.
@@Illya_Marchenko I understand you want them to influence the people, but if not impossible this is very difficult as a tennis player, some have even spoken or done something to show they are against and I think it was genuine but if your are still in doubt, why not all tennis player stop and boicot tournaments better? This is a more brave statement from players, but I am not sure the players are ready to loose money themselves, so going after a few Russian and Belarus seems easier. Hundreds of tennis players seem stronger than a few Russians. Their influence is not strong as you think as many dont even live there and what they say it is not enough. I think soccer, hockey or olimpic athleted may have more power.
@@Illya_Marchenko Yes they have a global influencr but to influence russian people it takes more than 2k views. I am not against your view, but it is unfair to center the whole issue on a few players from Rus and Bel. As I mentioned before you guys should push on stopping the tour all together not only ukrain players I know Marta and Elina did not play some tournamentd but unity of all ATP and WTA is stronger than a few players influencing their country. Its like regular people trying to go to the office and work and fellow people at the office protest you dont get in because you are from certain country, come on man. As I say I understand but this is not the right way this should go, this is very divisive.
Yes, the world should use all methods to inform people about what happens when a state thinks that they are free to ignore international law. And yes - many russians think that they are 'special' and can do whatever they want. So yes - they must be treated accordingly with all possible means.
some of the Russian players probably do not support the war, but all I know is, if the Russians players are in the tournament, The Russians at home will be happily cheering on their tennis heroes, with no worries of death from bombs and missiles, while many Ukrainians are crying and dying, with bodies ripped to shreds by bombs and missiles.
And you can be sure absolutely sure that (given how patriotic and fond of sports Americans are) Americans were happily cheering their heroes on TV in world championships and Olympics while their soldiers were killing civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan At the end of the day, who gets to decide who to sanction and who gets to do whatever they want? The “world” community?
Whether the Russian players are too scared to speak out or not, if i were a Russian player, I’d be grateful for the ban because I’d be too ashamed to step out onto the court! Or if i won, letting an evil regime use my win for propaganda!
Did you have the same conscience and strong beliefs when Britain and USA went and illegally invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? Did you call for their sports people to also be banned, and Blair and bush to be sent to The Hague?
I can be biased but I think only the full isolation of Russia will help Russian people to change their opinion on politics and their government. If Russia will not be isolated than they will be thinking that it is normal to bomb peacefull people and nobody in Russia is not affected by the war in Ukraine. If they don't support war they can speak up more and also help with financial support to Ukrainian army or refugees. It is not usually a case but some of the sportsmen even paying taxes in Russia which go directly to finance the war.
The thing with Russian propaganda that it never shows the bombings of residential buildings. "We only strike the military targets" they say. So your point is invalid. Full isolation of Russia will contribute towards further alienation of Russian people
@@pashazzubuntu And the problem with ukrainian propaganda and staging incidents is that they completely dont show what the Az*v battalion are doing in eastern ukraine, ethnically cleansing the russian speaking population. And of course glorifying the Bandera, a known, well established N*zi. 🇮🇳❤️🇷🇺😊
Are you stupid? Russian tennis players have given money to Ukraine, Rubleev suggested that they give all the prize money to Ukraine this year from Wimbledon. This isn’t about helping Ukraine.
You're right, I'm in Russia now and it's crazy to see 24/24 talking about war on channels. It's too much. However I think you do better tennis analyses than geopolitic analyses ^^
Totaly agree from Brazil. O would be very happy If a russian top player chance his/her nationality to Kazakhstan or Uzbekstan.Even more happy to Ukraine. This kind of attitude would certainly works against the propaganda.
Nole, let the PTPA organize a new 4 GS (Moscow, Beijing, Dubai, Belgrade) where players will not be banned depending on which country they come from, as these sectarians from the ATP do .... so play well, anyway all the best players are currently from the eastern part of the world, and let the westerners watch the rest of the players and set up the tournaments as they please, they haven't been regular for a long time anyway, there are double standards for a long time ...well, gentlemen, you don't make the whole world ... there are other nations, we can do without you...in the history of all great empires had their beginning and end, so the American empire and their satellites will disappear, very soon, bye, bye ...
im strongly agree, imagine the panic some war victims of ukraine get when they see russians competing in tennis especially when sending confusing messages or even seeing they are not interested in the politics when families are getting murdered
In the USA army there was a code "don't ask don't tell" it totally wrong to ban players representing themselves.
The most important video you've made and the best yet. 👏Tennis governing bodies are virtually alone in not banning players from Russia and Belarus. Where was the outcry when Russian swimmers, badminton players, athletes, gymnasts, show jumpers, table tennis players etc were banned at the very start of the invasion. These are "individual" sports. Sanctions are imposed to isolate a regime and not just economically but culturally.
Tennis has broader appeal than the sports you mentioned. The Russians also have some elite players so their absence will reduce the quality of the tennis. The Davis Cup is a tennis event that is based on nationality but besides that tennis is an individual sport based on rankings.
@@upfulsoul826 Most of the sports above are individual sports based on rankings. I am not sure broader appeal should be a reason for making a different decision in this case.
Broader appeal is not a a reason for making a different decision. Banning athletes based on their nationality is wrong no matter the sport. The explanation they are giving is why the outrage is coming now that tennis players are banned. Because it is one of the most viewed and where the Russian/Belorussian athletes have more popularity so it’s now that this kind of bans are getting more attention. They have gotten their own individual backlash from smaller sports but not big enough for the whole sport world to be talking about it because the whole world is not talking about those sports
Молодець. Все правильно розповів!
insanely ridiculous
so when the usa, uk, australia invaded iraq in '03 all american, british and australian sportspeople would have been banned
ffs
They should've been banned, ANY nation invading another should be banned from everything. But anglosaxons will never own up to it, nore allow the rest of the world to isolate them, besides the obvios economical obstacles to doing it . That doesn't make russians innocent by-standers.
It doesn’t make Russians innocent but it doesn’t make the rest of the countries less guilty either. And I get that Ukrainian people are specially focused on getting russian athletes banned because Russia is affecting their country. But other countries and international organizations should act equally to all countries that are involved in such kind of actions. If they don’t, that’s being discriminatory towards one country and biased. And they are not defending peace and anti-war, they are just against the russian war
Daniil Medvedev lives in Monte Carlo, I'd be shocked if he spends more than a month a year in Russia. Sorry but the decision to ban him is pure crap. How bout you go after all the Russian calaborators aka Wallstreet? Wonder if HSBC will be sponsoring the event this year? Maybe we should cancel the whole event because they are being funded by cartel money.
They have banned wrong Medvedev:) seriously this will not help anyhow, rather than gather more sympathies to Russian and Belorussian players, because this is real discrimination based on nationality.
Did you bother to watch the video?
@@PavelProuzaCZ You really think banning players starting as neutrals would be anti propaganda and not strengthen the believe that the west is unfairly anti-Russia instead?
@@arroe8386 given the situation in the world, how can you even use the phrase "UNFAIRLY anti-Russian"?
@@PavelProuzaCZ read the comment again
@@arroe8386 So long as russian soldiers are killing ukranians, medvedeb can go fuck himself for all I care man, he's a millionare, why should anyone give a fuck about a millionare athlete's slight discomfort? It's not like his house is being bombed, is it? In the meantime he could go on a vacation at the bahamas idk or crimea perhaps 🙄
Also why should anyone care about what russians think? Do you think they give a fuck about what you think? Get real.
UK met Russia's Demand to pay for the gas in Ruble. Wimbledon had to take this humiliation out on those Russian players.
Is this actually true? The UK doesn't really buy Russian fossil fuels. In fact we are working to help meet European fuel demand from our own reserves
What is happening in Ukraine is sad. However, that is no reason to discriminate against innocent people that have nothing to do with it. You should save your hate for the actual evil people…. Putin etc. and the soldiers and crazies supporting them. Medvedev and Sabalenka are not those people.
Sabalenka is not so innocent...she is very close with Lukashenko
While you present many valid points, you cannot justify banning someone based on their origin which is essentially what this is. Some of These athletes have also condemned this war even though it does put them in more danger than otherwise. I really don’t know what you more you can expect from them nor do I see the correlation between their origin of birth and political affiliation. The war in Ukraine is tragic but targeting individuals based on their nationality only sets an even worse precedent and is no different than the way Russians have unjustly looked down on Ukrainians and others
Nobody condemned this war and actions from their government from russian or belarussian players. Nobody. Kasatkina was the closest one saying that she would love to play Wimbi but there is nothing more important than human life. All those “no to war” and “i’m for peace” translated to russian means that Ukraine has to stop fighting… And we don’t want anything from them anymore, too late
@@Illya_Marchenko but how is that even their responsibility? It would be different if they were openly supporting Putin and the war but how does being silent or saying “no to war” effectively make you guilty for being Russian?
Nobody is guilty in that country, ever 🤷♂️
@@Illya_Marchenko literally no one has ever said that. Just questioning how an athlete that has no political affiliation is (guilty) 🧐
7:40 - thank you! i fundamentally agree that if we apply sanctions like that then it's an agreeable position that we do the same to the USA, Israel, etc
The solution is simple: the players should not be represented with a russian or belarussian flag at all (not in the television score zone/ not wearing something that represent their contries or even named them in commentary as "russian/bellarussian".....thats it they represent themself they dont represent their contries ....but banned them from competing is unfair and a coward move.
The solution to what? Russians are competeing at olympics without a flag since how many years? They don't give a f... They know if there is no flag - it's russian
Man, I don’t think this measure will help anyone. We won’t see Mevdevev protesting on the streets with few other top players. If that’s not the case - what’s the use of the whole thing
@@Illya_Marchenko illyan im sorry to say your emotions overcomes your thinking....we are talking now about tennis "individual sport " not olympics .....and yes if an athlete in individual sport dont give a f about politics live him alone ..he has the full right to compete he represent himself.
@@Spaceshido So why did Kremlin react on this withing hours? If it's just a private tournament in individual sport?
It is really hard to return russian people from parallel reality created by propaganda. And hiding flag will change nothing. The real problem is that they don't want to acknowledge what their country is doing (the same way as most of Germans didn't want to think about that as well during WW2), so saying that 'it affects some individuals' is not enough message when president of those individuals wants a neighbor country to be wiped out, their friends are sending rockets onto schools, hospitals and apartments for months and their relatives are glad to kill and rape innocent civilians. I am not sure which message can be enough, but civilized World should not try to tolerate such actions at least until it is clear that the message is heard.
Following your logic US players should be banned from all sports period. Oh yea it's only good when favours west, never mind my bad
the question for me isn't really about whether or not it is unfair to the athletes but always if the ends will actually lead to anything substantial or is it just for show. i agree that sports have historically been a part of politics (jackie robinson, arthur ashe, the world cup, etc) but the issue i have with this particular sanction is that it won't actually move the needle or help people in the end. it is symbolism for the sake of symbolism. they could have had these players have to forfeit their prize money for humanitarian causes or had the money of the tournament do that. it's like posting a "black lives matter" lawn sign outside your house without actually doing anything to help black people.
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Stay strong Ilya, greetings from Poland.
Nah. I'm Indian. Fk the Azov battalion and the ukrainian government for continuing to fund these N*zis. 🤮
🇮🇳 ❤️🇷🇺.
Anyways , never heard of this ukrainian player before, so this video likely wont get alot of views.
Such a powerful and clear analysis of this awful conflict.
Дякую, Ілля! Без зайвих слів, чітко все пояснив! 💙💛
And for american player ? Irak ? Lybia ? Syria ? Yémen...it's OK ?
I'm Russian but I live in Germany and I think that Russian players are not guilty beacuse they didnt choose to be Russian so I think ban is stupid.Also last week I was wearing Russian football jersey and police asked me to take it off and when I refused he told me that if I dont take it off I will have problems.Then few people started yelling at me and some guy wanted to kill me.Police just ignored the situation and left.
Hubert, you are Polish 🤦🏻♂️
I called like polish tennis player because its funny,but im russian in germany
This is not going to help Ukraine, also this kind of measures will set a precedent, when other conflicts happen, to discriminate players(and people) for their nationality (thats the reasoning of ATP and WTA I think). This is not going to help and its just political way to humiliate Russians that have nothing to do with Putin and his craziness, you say that you don't know what they(players) mean when they say no war, pathetic argument. Do you know what Rublev meant when he said he will donate all the prize money of Wimbledon(if allowed to play) to Ukraine? or it's still not clear for you...
Ты серьезно думаешь, что 70% поддерживают войну? Эта цифра взята с потолка ВЦИОМом, никто ж не верит, когда Путин выигрывает выборы с 70% голосов, а 90% слишком палевно.
Независимые российские политики показывают, что поддержка что-то вроде 50/50
Я за то, чтобы банить только тех, кто за Путина. А если человек всю жизнь катает челленджеры, у него есть деньги, чтобы устроить всю семью? Футболист может уехать заграницу, и ему по контракту дадут кучу преференций с жильем, а как какой-нибудь Шевченко будет вытаскивать родню из Ростова? Но это ладно. Ты же знаешь, что Рублев предложил Уимблдону отправить все призовые на гумпомошь, а это, кстати, в России запрещено. Почему ему отказали? Он даже сказал, что готов подписать, что не поддерживает Путина, а ему все равно отказали.
All points well made, and I understand your message both from a facts / rational and emotional point of view. However, I do not agree with your conclusion. I agree with the ATP/WTA stance: it sets a dangerous precedent. There is no way western nations (particularly the USA) will ever be judged by the same standards and have their athletes banned. It would never happen. They are far too powerful. (The ATP / WTA have headquarters in Florida, London, Monaco and banks accounts in these countries etc.) Just take a second to look at how desperate the US are to get hold of Julian Assange and put him in jail / sentence him to death for having exposed US war crimes... France (I am French) has done highly questionable "things" in Africa for decades. French athletes would never get banned. The diplomatic relationships between western countries are strong and they control the money flows. So, in the end, only opposing nations to the western countries would ever be banned. There would never be fairness and consistency. I know I'm talking "very big picture" and you are saying "We need a solution now". Fair enough. But I don't think we can do something like this unless we will 100% be fair and consistent in the future. It will never happen. so, in the end, only some athletes, from some nations will be deprived from years of their career for the actions of their government. I cannot agree to that.
There is a huge difference between russia and other western nations that have committed war crimes and other atrocities. russia has the majority of its people's support, who are fully aware of what's happening, while other countries don't. russia should have been excluded a long time ago for what they have done in Syria, Georgia, Ukraine etc. There is no one country in Europe/America that is currently committing more executions, more mass rapes and more war crimes in general than russia. That is why russia is the priority here.
@@vasiliki4971 OK, so, firstly I would question your opening statement. If you take the Iraq war for example, the US population was a good 90% for it, in fact galvanised for it at the time. Yes, it's correct, no one right now is a worst aggressor than Russia (although, pick a few African countries and that is also debatable). That is anyway not the point I am making. You cannot ban players of one particular country for one stated reason, and then not apply the same rule (in the future) to other countries committing the same type of offences. And there is no way Wimbledon (for example) would apply the same rule to a western super power. That's just "how it goes". Diplomatic relationships, money flows, banking would never permit that to happen. Again, that's just "how it goes". Therefore, this "rule" will only ever apply to a certain type of countries and athletes, and not others. I can't see how that would be right.
Wimbledon banned Japanese and german players back in ww2 . Not the first time they have done this.
@@dontennis2260 nearly a century ago, before the world became a global economy. and in a world war context. Sure, no doubt if there is another world war, sports will be seriously disrupted / bans will occur. However there is simply no conceivable way US athletes would ever be banned / held to the same standards of the actions of their goverment (outside of a world war context). Do you really think the French open would ban US athletes? Wimbledon would ban US athletes? there is just no way this would ever be on the table.
@@dontennis2260 It doesn't make it right though. They also interned citizens of Japanese descent in the US. And thankfully we are not in a World War.
German Nacis also were banned from sports in 1942
I can not even begin to imagine how hard this must be for you guys, blessings to your country and people ... But, as you very well said, it is politics. It was politics when unvaccinated were banned, it is politics when Wimbledon wants to ban russian players. Does it make it right? I am sorry but I don't think so. Correcting a wrong with another wrong does not make a right. It was wrong with unvaccinated, it is wrong with russians.
But I am trying to follow your thoughts. You assume that players that are banned will use their influence to protest against Putin. Is it possible that this can backfire? I mean, the feeling of injustice brings people to test their limits. Is it possible that this injustice might even help the propaganda? Will they be against Putin or will they be against the hypocrisy of the Occidental Word? Please don't get me wrong: my wish is that the war stops with an independent Ukraine, I just wonder what good will come from this type of banning...
100% agree, some of these measures might even bring Russians together, this helps to create a common enemy for all Russians. To be honest I think this is driven more by revenge than by reason, which is understandable, non of this is going to help anyone
If anything, this will only strengthen the feeling that the West (I’m guessing that is the Occidental World) is hypocritical and can’t even see it
This was a very well researched and considered video and I think most people in this comment section truly sympathize with the plight of Ukraine & Ukrainians. However, we can't know for sure what would happen to the players' family and friends within Russia if they spoke out and forcing them to make some kind of anti-invasion statement in order to play is completely against Western values and liberal principles of pluralism and freedom of thought. I also think if we take this stance to ban Russians/Belarussians from Wimbledon to its logical endpoint, we should ban Russian citizens living in Western countries from working in the West unless they speak out against the war which as we know from history is not morally right or effective in ending the war.
My thoughts are with Ukraine daily and like you said, I totally understand how you as a Ukrainian think this isn't a sacrifice compared to what your people are going through but there's a bigger picture that policymakers need to look at.
Not to comment on the fact that there are more countries than Russia right now that are involved in wars/invasions. If they apply it to one country, why are they not applying it to all
@@letstalkaboutit3195 bc the Brits are virtue signaling hypocrites in this scenario
Well regardless it was a great tournament for Russia. Medvedev became number one and the Women’s singles winner is Russian with Kazakh nationality 😂😂
Such a clear and concise video that disproves most of the pro-Russian talking points about sports bans. Keep up the good work.
Excellent explanation 👏🏻 not that anyone who still has questions or thinks along the lines “it’s not that simple” or “this ban won’t change anything” will understand, but nevertheless 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻💛💙
Incomplete video?
I think Wimbledon made this ban the wrong way. Denying players solely on nationality is not exactly what Ukrainians would appreciate (and I'm telling this as a Ukrainian myself). The distinction should've been made basing on more concrete actions of the players. In my view the dividing fact is where the taxes go. Players earn the prize money and then they pay taxes. If some player is a resident of Russia and pays taxes there, then he is financing the terrorist state, that invaded other country. If the player represents Russia, but at the same time he is a resident of other country, where he pays taxes, then he should be allowed to play.
Russian players who reside outside Russia shall make a private statement to ATP/WTA that they are not paying taxes to Russian authorities and also do not support the regime financially on their own accord. If they lie about this and then later it will be revealed, they should be striped of the points/money and disqualified.
This is very clear and material distinction. I don't even think that ATP/WTA could oppose to the decision formulated this way.
Then only actual supporters of the regime would've been banned and the rest of players would get their well deserved points.
I understand what you say and see the point of view from your side. But still, russian players are not that huge of influence on russian politics.
Maybe all tennis players need to lear about others problems. Should we ban muslim players because of extremist or catholic players for priest raping and killing kids? It should be a time to unite and not divide.
I think you are focusing on the wrong influence to war, why dont you ask everybody in ATP and WTA to stop competition 🤔? $$$$$$ right? So this statement seems a bit two face. You should ask everybody in the sport to stop and make the people with the money preassure to stop war. When you hit peoples wallet they react even more powerful than russian players. Stopping tournaments is more reactive than a few players but I guess all these people are afraid to do this right it will affect players wallet as well.
I respect what you say, but its a bit speaking with hate and its understandable but seems not speaking with much sense in regards to who csn have influence to stop this war, and you ask too much even from players that already spoke out.
We don’t want them to influence politics, they need to influence their fans. Those fans who are among those 70%. We don’t want to ban them for the sake of banning, we want them to speak up against Putin and this war, but they are quite all this time. To stop the tour and all sport until the war is finished? Ukrainian athletes and tennis players will agree on this big time with no hesitation.
@@Illya_Marchenko I understand you want them to influence the people, but if not impossible this is very difficult as a tennis player, some have even spoken or done something to show they are against and I think it was genuine but if your are still in doubt, why not all tennis player stop and boicot tournaments better? This is a more brave statement from players, but I am not sure the players are ready to loose money themselves, so going after a few Russian and Belarus seems easier. Hundreds of tennis players seem stronger than a few Russians. Their influence is not strong as you think as many dont even live there and what they say it is not enough. I think soccer, hockey or olimpic athleted may have more power.
If those guys don’t have an influence then why are we even discussing my video with 2k views or my opinion in general?
@@Illya_Marchenko Yes they have a global influencr but to influence russian people it takes more than 2k views. I am not against your view, but it is unfair to center the whole issue on a few players from Rus and Bel. As I mentioned before you guys should push on stopping the tour all together not only ukrain players I know Marta and Elina did not play some tournamentd but unity of all ATP and WTA is stronger than a few players influencing their country. Its like regular people trying to go to the office and work and fellow people at the office protest you dont get in because you are from certain country, come on man. As I say I understand but this is not the right way this should go, this is very divisive.
Yes, the world should use all methods to inform people about what happens when a state thinks that they are free to ignore international law. And yes - many russians think that they are 'special' and can do whatever they want. So yes - they must be treated accordingly with all possible means.
Very good content man, see u in Doha again )
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ілля, молодець, все правильно сказав, як завжди класне відео!
some of the Russian players probably do not support the war, but all I know is, if the Russians players are in the tournament, The Russians at home will be happily cheering on their tennis heroes, with no worries of death from bombs and missiles, while many Ukrainians are crying and dying, with bodies ripped to shreds by bombs and missiles.
And you can be sure absolutely sure that (given how patriotic and fond of sports Americans are) Americans were happily cheering their heroes on TV in world championships and Olympics while their soldiers were killing civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan
At the end of the day, who gets to decide who to sanction and who gets to do whatever they want? The “world” community?
Whether the Russian players are too scared to speak out or not, if i were a Russian player, I’d be grateful for the ban because I’d be too ashamed to step out onto the court! Or if i won, letting an evil regime use my win for propaganda!
Did you have the same conscience and strong beliefs when Britain and USA went and illegally invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? Did you call for their sports people to also be banned, and Blair and bush to be sent to The Hague?
@@Baresi-Unico-Capitano Remember, whatever the US does is always justified 🙄
Individuals are greatest than its nation and its governments
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 thank you for the video!
I can be biased but I think only the full isolation of Russia will help Russian people to change their opinion on politics and their government. If Russia will not be isolated than they will be thinking that it is normal to bomb peacefull people and nobody in Russia is not affected by the war in Ukraine. If they don't support war they can speak up more and also help with financial support to Ukrainian army or refugees. It is not usually a case but some of the sportsmen even paying taxes in Russia which go directly to finance the war.
Countries that still buy Russian gas at this time are even more unforgivable accomplice!!! This gas is stained with Ukrainian blood!!!!
The thing with Russian propaganda that it never shows the bombings of residential buildings. "We only strike the military targets" they say. So your point is invalid. Full isolation of Russia will contribute towards further alienation of Russian people
@@pashazzubuntu And the problem with ukrainian propaganda and staging incidents is that they completely dont show what the Az*v battalion are doing in eastern ukraine, ethnically cleansing the russian speaking population. And of course glorifying the Bandera, a known, well established N*zi.
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Are you stupid? Russian tennis players have given money to Ukraine, Rubleev suggested that they give all the prize money to Ukraine this year from Wimbledon. This isn’t about helping Ukraine.
Дякую!!!
Европейцы с американцами наверно схавают твою аналитику.. А ты Ильюша не забудь приехать на турики в Питер и Москву..
Зачем ему ехать в Питер и Москву? Смысла - ноль.
@@solar75wind деньги деньги деньги. Не пахнут.
@@монгол-шудан Так навалом других турниров в это же время.
Bravo, Ilya. I will be looking for more from you here. 🎯
Ilya, thank you!
You didn't betray your homeland.
great match against Ergi Kirkin I bet on you and you made me win thanks!! 🇲🇽
Илья, как и всегда, спасибо. Очень хочется, чтобы наши игроки-молчуны это увидели.
Марченко такой дурачок)))
Продолжай катать доги, это у тебя лучше получается делать)
Absolutely. Good job here 👏
Great video, it has made me think differently
Tenis is an individual game. Does Make Sense and Will Make no
impact. I understand you anger but i dont share you opinion.
Great video!
You're right, I'm in Russia now and it's crazy to see 24/24 talking about war on channels. It's too much. However I think you do better tennis analyses than geopolitic analyses ^^
Totaly agree from Brazil. O would be very happy If a russian top player chance his/her nationality to Kazakhstan or Uzbekstan.Even more happy to Ukraine. This kind of attitude would certainly works against the propaganda.
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Nole, let the PTPA organize a new 4 GS (Moscow, Beijing, Dubai, Belgrade) where players will not be banned depending on which country they come from, as these sectarians from the ATP do .... so play well, anyway all the best players are currently from the eastern part of the world, and let the westerners watch the rest of the players and set up the tournaments as they please, they haven't been regular for a long time anyway, there are double standards for a long time ...well, gentlemen, you don't make the whole world ... there are other nations, we can do without you...in the history of all great empires had their beginning and end, so the American empire and their satellites will disappear, very soon, bye, bye ...
Great news! They need to be kicked out of all tournaments
im strongly agree, imagine the panic some war victims of ukraine get when they see russians competing in tennis especially when sending confusing messages or even seeing they are not interested in the politics when families are getting murdered