Total deflection, man. They were staffed by poorly trained volunteers and chose to have a run swim run in 108 degree weather. This is CrossFit HQ's fault. Objective fact.
My only thought is that if you ask an athlete to push their body to the absolute max, you have to be prepared (and even expect) that the worst might happen. There have to be medical resources and safety protocols that are on par in their excellence with the level of excellence of the athletes. I think about the response to the football player who had a cardiac event and received immediate life saving care. It was top level preparation for top level competition.
These kinds of events are nothing new, there is alway a swim. I just believe the safety protocol were not set in place. Needed more professional life guards.
I get your point. Everyone is devastated, the problem is, that he was drowning what 50-100m from the shore? Two paddle boards within 10m to him, even spectator jumped in the water to warn them he is struggling... It is dangerous sport, no way around it. Also similar thing happed to Matt, wirhout Fikowski he might have drowned as well ... I hope crossfit takes something from it, you just can't stop in the water if you are exhausted.
They signed up for it assuming CrossFit HQ would help them if they were in trouble. This was 100% preventable. There is no excuse for this. CrossFit failed Lazar and his family. There is no other acceptable take besides demanding CrossFit answer for their failure.
“They signed up for this” is not a valid excuse. Where were the guards on jets. You called watch him hit the wall on the top of the livestream for 2 minutes until he went under and they cut it
@@jagleaso not an excuse. But there’s an entire group of “go hard or quit” folks who keep trying to make people feel stupid for even bringing up safety.
The problem was that it was gross negligence and breach f duty. Don Faul said he was making meaningful cuts to the sports spending and that was evident n safety staff. No divers, no paramedics, possibly no lifeguards as those kayaker did shit fuck all. He struggled for five minutes, and got no help.
Awful take This isn’t F1 car racing. Death was entirely preventable Safety was severely lacking I’ve seen first hand bad safety at the games during my 5 games attended It’s a sport not war
They will stop an F1 race if even one barrier is slightly damaged these days. And if something happens, they always take responsibility and change things pretty much the next race.
Yeah but they are crossfitters, not triatheles. Plus, swimming is the most dangerous sport with fatigue and where they swam there were little to nothing protecting the athletes. The organization cannot presume they are all good swimmers.
Run swim runs are a thing. People do them. Lazar was trained to do this. He did the course earlier that week. He was an experienced water polo player. He was more than qualified for this event.
This man is f'in deluded. Ive coached CF since 2010. This was avoidable. CF is not elite... Competitive crossfit is about spiking your heartrate and seeing who can keep it there. Not my word but the x5 time champion. The games are a circus. Not my words but Gregg Glassmans. He never was an advocate for the games.
@@knowlescity brother I completely agree with you on where CrossFit has come to. Especially in the past 5 years or so. And Greg was more about CrossFit Health. And where is that now? Nowhere to be found. Greg did make the quote. But he did not have this in mind. I was more talking about the community of folks that would baulk at the idea of people talking about safety as being “soft”. That’s the dichotomy of this sport/competition.
Thank you for your view (which aligns with mine). Integrity and the confidence to speak your mind in these times is worth a lot as well as keeping the positivity. I can see your positive impact on your community - thank you for that.
Crossfit was supposed to make people stronger and physically more capable. The physical limit is death. That is what happened. Twenty minute response time is scandalous. Hats off to the competitors that pointed that out and pulled out.
Bad take, this is bigger than sports, I'm sure he wouldn't want to die doing Crossfit, that's not Crossfits' purpose. Most people join to be healthy... you can do things that push limits but not to a point where causality can possibly occur
@@C007MiamiMoods I think I agree with pretty much everything you’re saying. But I’m not sure if I understand why you’re saying it’s a bad take. But we’re all different so I guess that’s all right.
@@WhoIsJonHarris Because I think what you're trying to say is, athletes would like to win and almost die or die. Not lose and die because it was too challenging. The fact that he passed away without completing the challenge, would be seen as a failure for him and a win for the events coordinators if the founders of Crossfit want to portray the challenging aspects of the Crossfit events
@@C007MiamiMoods I’m sure there are people who would say that. But I definitely know people who would put it all on the line for a win. Obviously no one wants to die. But not taking care of the athletes as best as possible is the fault. I can’t speak for Ducik obviously. No one really can. The culture of “give it your all” can lead to some serious toxicity.
It’s not out of the realm of possibility that an athlete at this level suffers a heart attack. On land it’s easier to help someone than in the water. It’s a sad situation and hopefully moving ahead water safety will be looked at. The programming seems fine given the preparation of the participants. Triathlons exist and I’m sure people have suffered accidents. The physical challenge is what draws people to the games.
These are all things we just don't have clarity on yet. You would think the outcome could have been avoided. At one point do you draw a line in the sand of something being too dangerous?
there is nothing remotely dangerous in crossfit in terms of being life threatening outside of an open water swim. it's the only event that athlete safety should be of the upmost importance. it wasn't. not even close.
@@fireleather7022 I watched because it came across my feed. I don’t follow this account. His point is well taken about crossfitters vs the general population. I agree with him that people need to acknowledge their efforts to be healthy. It’s just a stretch to tie that into a video about Lazar’s death. It’s a separate message. I just find it in bad taste to rush to make a video that really has nothing to do with today’s tragedy.
@@wgeffon I can’t recall any disrespect that you mentioned here. It’s definitely OK to talk about things when they happen. We can argue all day whether whose fault it is. Mom is like these will always tend to make us question of variety of topics.
We don't stop living because we are afraid to die. That's a fact. Some people play bit more risky than others... good on them, they're extremely optimistic. That said, here the main point (imo) is organizers. Who creates the space for this acrivity to be done. Athletes trust their lives to them. It's like your clients at your gym. They trust you. Regarding to this point, the brand, It's a hoax. I'd suggest stop tallking about "community"... It's just slogan. I'd invite people to research history, antropology and open your mind to understand what is community. You will see you were tricked!!!
I don't disagree but for me, I do not like training to failure. I train hard but not to the point I'm throwing up or struggling to walk or pick my arm up afterwards. I think Mark Wildman's approach to training where he uses volume cycles and density cycles to incrementally go up in weight is a solid alternative to training to failure all the time.. As far as what happened, it is sad and I'd have to look more into it since I am not familiar since this is the first I've heard about it. But I am curious, and this may be more rhetorical at this point, did he willingly or was he forced to inject and boost himself with something within the last couple years that was supposedly experimental but safe and effective?
This guy is having a stroke. He rambles on - trying to connect dots from 10 different areas - and can never draw a straight line. Don’t listen to this man.
You're a gym owner, you're not a safety expert. Not a swimming contest expert. I really don't see why your opinion would be interesting to be very honest. Nice beard though. You generally push your boundaries in a controlled environment, that ideally has a safety plan. Like a gym for example. In that environment, incidents can still happen. When you push those boundaries in open water, you will need a lot more/different safety precautions.
Im lost. Someone help me understand. So for years and years and years and incident after incident after incident the community approaches CFHQ about it's poor dealings, and year after year and incident after incident nothing happens, why do you guys still continue to support this brand year after year and incident after incident. And don't say "CrossFit promised to bury the hatchet". It's exactly like them saying "we promise to never punch you in the face again". Then next year what happens? You're all surprised when you get punched in the face? So confusing. Just stop supporting the brand. If you're not going to stop supporting CrossFit, then stop complaining about how they mishandle things.
There are three types of people who do CrossFit. There is the person who does it to get healthier and work out in a group (like me). There are others who do it to push themselves and want to compete (like my wife). And, there are those who are competitive to the elite level. Those people who make CrossFit more or less their full time endeavors. They will be at the box multiple hours a day every day. There is nothing wrong with any of those three types of people. Were mistakes made at the games? Yes. Did they play a roll in this tragedy? Maybe and maybe not. Is this CrossFit’s fault for how we do what we do? No way. Let’s take a deep breath and wait till all the facts come out before we start placing blame.
Appreciate your take on this. It’s hard to believe what happened but everyone knows there are huge risks in any physical competition especially one of this size
This whole "you shouldn't put a swim after a run" line is just ridiculous. It comes from people who are angry or people who just want to throw $#1* at CrossFit. They're latching on to whatever they can to express their anger without thinking about what they're saying. Biathlon has been putting runs before swims for eons. A traditional biathlon format, maybe the traditional format, is run-swim-run. I did one of these in the 90s, ffs. They're still doing them. These people are also pointing to triathlon as some kind of norm. "Triathlon doesn't do it because its too dangerous!" But triathlon started with the Ironman in Hawaii, which has 2.4 miles (!) of swimming, +100 miles of cycling, and a marathon run. Well, O.K. After +100 miles of cycling and a marathon run, you might not want to include 2.4 miles (!) of swimming. I'll give you that. But that norm did not arise from short distance triathlons. It came from what at the time were thought to be unbeleivable distances in the Ironman. And I have heard triathletes say in shorter distance triathlons, sometimes they will mix up the modalities. This event was only, ONLY, 3.5 miles of running and 800 meters of swimming. If that's dangerous for well-conditioned athletes who do a fair amount of swimming, then any swimming is dangerous. "Well, but they shouldn't pre-fatigue the athletes before swimming. Otherwise swimming is O.K." Well, how much swimming itself will fatigue the athletes? If they swim 400m, are they then too fatigued to do anymore swimming? What is the safe, fatigueless amount of swimming that can be expected from a CrossFit Games athlete? Only a meathead who skips every running wod would think running 3.5 miles is so fatiguing that it would be dangerous to follow it up with any swimming.
All valid points. Thanks for specialized comment for sure. Triathletes were my immediate thought when I started to hear those comments. Obviously safety measures should’ve been beefed up, but hindsight is always 2020.
It was only 3.5 miles and swimming but the top time was what? 30m in total? That's a massive energy output in terrible heat and lazar was in the lead pack. That's a 3.5m sprint ...
@@verachocholova7078 Did you watch the race? It was not a sprint...Tia was interviewed after she came out third overall...Not a problem...What happened to Lazar was most likely a freak medical incident followed by a lack of professional lifesavers
@@SMinzy probably so. But the conversation is still happening regardless. Just a different perspective. This isn’t a dig at Crossfit or the athlete. The pursuit of anything is going to have consequences. And these athletes aren’t short of courage or effort.
Total deflection, man. They were staffed by poorly trained volunteers and chose to have a run swim run in 108 degree weather. This is CrossFit HQ's fault. Objective fact.
It was 104 at that time of morning?
It was 86 degrees when they started. The event lasted less than an hour and the sun was barely up.
My only thought is that if you ask an athlete to push their body to the absolute max, you have to be prepared (and even expect) that the worst might happen. There have to be medical resources and safety protocols that are on par in their excellence with the level of excellence of the athletes. I think about the response to the football player who had a cardiac event and received immediate life saving care. It was top level preparation for top level competition.
@@emilymakescoffee1741 massive failures on many levels with what happened today. I don’t know the best way forward unfortunately.
These kinds of events are nothing new, there is alway a swim. I just believe the safety protocol were not set in place. Needed more professional life guards.
@@fernandobonilla1444 could not agree more.
I get your point. Everyone is devastated, the problem is, that he was drowning what 50-100m from the shore? Two paddle boards within 10m to him, even spectator jumped in the water to warn them he is struggling... It is dangerous sport, no way around it. Also similar thing happed to Matt, wirhout Fikowski he might have drowned as well ... I hope crossfit takes something from it, you just can't stop in the water if you are exhausted.
They signed up for it assuming CrossFit HQ would help them if they were in trouble. This was 100% preventable. There is no excuse for this. CrossFit failed Lazar and his family. There is no other acceptable take besides demanding CrossFit answer for their failure.
“They signed up for this” is not a valid excuse. Where were the guards on jets. You called watch him hit the wall on the top of the livestream for 2 minutes until he went under and they cut it
@@jagleaso not an excuse. But there’s an entire group of “go hard or quit” folks who keep trying to make people feel stupid for even bringing up safety.
The problem was that it was gross negligence and breach f duty. Don Faul said he was making meaningful cuts to the sports spending and that was evident n safety staff. No divers, no paramedics, possibly no lifeguards as those kayaker did shit fuck all. He struggled for five minutes, and got no help.
Awful take
This isn’t F1 car racing.
Death was entirely preventable
Safety was severely lacking
I’ve seen first hand bad safety at the games during my 5 games attended
It’s a sport not war
I couldn't even finish his video.
They will stop an F1 race if even one barrier is slightly damaged these days. And if something happens, they always take responsibility and change things pretty much the next race.
Bad event with swimming after running.
Overtraining is too dangerous.
And poor safety measures by the staff.
CrossFit is in a bad spot after this.
Have you ever seen a triathlon?
Yeah but they are crossfitters, not triatheles. Plus, swimming is the most dangerous sport with fatigue and where they swam there were little to nothing protecting the athletes.
The organization cannot presume they are all good swimmers.
@@jaybee5466where you start with the swim?
Run swim runs are a thing. People do them. Lazar was trained to do this. He did the course earlier that week. He was an experienced water polo player. He was more than qualified for this event.
@@SychJess seems unfortunately the two guys either side on paddle boards were not qualified
This was a needed perspective. Thanks for sharing
This man is f'in deluded. Ive coached CF since 2010. This was avoidable. CF is not elite... Competitive crossfit is about spiking your heartrate and seeing who can keep it there. Not my word but the x5 time champion. The games are a circus. Not my words but Gregg Glassmans. He never was an advocate for the games.
@@knowlescity brother I completely agree with you on where CrossFit has come to. Especially in the past 5 years or so. And Greg was more about CrossFit Health. And where is that now? Nowhere to be found. Greg did make the quote. But he did not have this in mind. I was more talking about the community of folks that would baulk at the idea of people talking about safety as being “soft”. That’s the dichotomy of this sport/competition.
What's your point, dude?
Thank you for your view (which aligns with mine). Integrity and the confidence to speak your mind in these times is worth a lot as well as keeping the positivity. I can see your positive impact on your community - thank you for that.
Crossfit was supposed to make people stronger and physically more capable. The physical limit is death. That is what happened. Twenty minute response time is scandalous. Hats off to the competitors that pointed that out and pulled out.
I needed to hear this message today. Thank you.
Bad take, this is bigger than sports, I'm sure he wouldn't want to die doing Crossfit, that's not Crossfits' purpose. Most people join to be healthy... you can do things that push limits but not to a point where causality can possibly occur
@@C007MiamiMoods I think I agree with pretty much everything you’re saying. But I’m not sure if I understand why you’re saying it’s a bad take. But we’re all different so I guess that’s all right.
This is the best common sence take. Only low IQs will think otherwise. People die everyday while working out. Nothing new here.
@@WhoIsJonHarris Because I think what you're trying to say is, athletes would like to win and almost die or die. Not lose and die because it was too challenging. The fact that he passed away without completing the challenge, would be seen as a failure for him and a win for the events coordinators if the founders of Crossfit want to portray the challenging aspects of the Crossfit events
@@C007MiamiMoods I’m sure there are people who would say that. But I definitely know people who would put it all on the line for a win. Obviously no one wants to die. But not taking care of the athletes as best as possible is the fault. I can’t speak for Ducik obviously. No one really can. The culture of “give it your all” can lead to some serious toxicity.
It’s not out of the realm of possibility that an athlete at this level suffers a heart attack. On land it’s easier to help someone than in the water. It’s a sad situation and hopefully moving ahead water safety will be looked at. The programming seems fine given the preparation of the participants. Triathlons exist and I’m sure people have suffered accidents. The physical challenge is what draws people to the games.
These are all things we just don't have clarity on yet. You would think the outcome could have been avoided. At one point do you draw a line in the sand of something being too dangerous?
Do athletes die in triathlon events ( similar swim run combination). The answer is yes.
The man who started the jogging craze died while jogging. Sometimes bad things are unavoidable.
there is nothing remotely dangerous in crossfit in terms of being life threatening outside of an open water swim. it's the only event that athlete safety should be of the upmost importance. it wasn't. not even close.
Good message and great video.
Wouldn’t it be nice if people could just respect this athlete and not rush to make TH-cam videos? All in bad taste.
Right???!!!!
So…. You came to watch this video to tell him how bad he is for making this video?
@@fireleather7022 I watched because it came across my feed. I don’t follow this account. His point is well taken about crossfitters vs the general population. I agree with him that people need to acknowledge their efforts to be healthy. It’s just a stretch to tie that into a video about Lazar’s death. It’s a separate message. I just find it in bad taste to rush to make a video that really has nothing to do with today’s tragedy.
@@wgeffon I can’t recall any disrespect that you mentioned here. It’s definitely OK to talk about things when they happen. We can argue all day whether whose fault it is. Mom is like these will always tend to make us question of variety of topics.
@@WhoIsJonHarris In the video there was no disrespect. The rush to post a video to me is the disrespect. Just my .02.
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Life is inherently dangerous, competitive sports even more so.
Very true.
We don't stop living because we are afraid to die. That's a fact. Some people play bit more risky than others... good on them, they're extremely optimistic. That said, here the main point (imo) is organizers. Who creates the space for this acrivity to be done. Athletes trust their lives to them. It's like your clients at your gym. They trust you. Regarding to this point, the brand, It's a hoax. I'd suggest stop tallking about "community"... It's just slogan. I'd invite people to research history, antropology and open your mind to understand what is community. You will see you were tricked!!!
I don't disagree but for me, I do not like training to failure. I train hard but not to the point I'm throwing up or struggling to walk or pick my arm up afterwards. I think Mark Wildman's approach to training where he uses volume cycles and density cycles to incrementally go up in weight is a solid alternative to training to failure all the time..
As far as what happened, it is sad and I'd have to look more into it since I am not familiar since this is the first I've heard about it. But I am curious, and this may be more rhetorical at this point, did he willingly or was he forced to inject and boost himself with something within the last couple years that was supposedly experimental but safe and effective?
Running before swimming, in Texas heat. I guess lack of hydration and the body couldnt handle it.
You are misinformed.
@@landonbarretto4933 i took a guess, not informed at all 👍🏻 have they figured out what happened?
Some good points brother
That helped. Thank you!
This guy is having a stroke. He rambles on - trying to connect dots from 10 different areas - and can never draw a straight line.
Don’t listen to this man.
You're a gym owner, you're not a safety expert. Not a swimming contest expert.
I really don't see why your opinion would be interesting to be very honest.
Nice beard though.
You generally push your boundaries in a controlled environment, that ideally has a safety plan. Like a gym for example.
In that environment, incidents can still happen.
When you push those boundaries in open water, you will need a lot more/different safety precautions.
Im lost. Someone help me understand. So for years and years and years and incident after incident after incident the community approaches CFHQ about it's poor dealings, and year after year and incident after incident nothing happens, why do you guys still continue to support this brand year after year and incident after incident. And don't say "CrossFit promised to bury the hatchet". It's exactly like them saying "we promise to never punch you in the face again". Then next year what happens? You're all surprised when you get punched in the face? So confusing. Just stop supporting the brand. If you're not going to stop supporting CrossFit, then stop complaining about how they mishandle things.
There are three types of people who do CrossFit. There is the person who does it to get healthier and work out in a group (like me). There are others who do it to push themselves and want to compete (like my wife). And, there are those who are competitive to the elite level. Those people who make CrossFit more or less their full time endeavors. They will be at the box multiple hours a day every day. There is nothing wrong with any of those three types of people. Were mistakes made at the games? Yes. Did they play a roll in this tragedy? Maybe and maybe not. Is this CrossFit’s fault for how we do what we do? No way. Let’s take a deep breath and wait till all the facts come out before we start placing blame.
@@danielroncaioli6882 all true. Especially that last sentence.
I don't know, the athlete near him when he drowned said they didn't do anything to help him.
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Appreciate your take on this. It’s hard to believe what happened but everyone knows there are huge risks in any physical competition especially one of this size
@@bs431980 definitely going to be risks always. Especially when pursuing anything “elite“. Nothing but respect to the athlete and his family.
This whole "you shouldn't put a swim after a run" line is just ridiculous. It comes from people who are angry or people who just want to throw $#1* at CrossFit. They're latching on to whatever they can to express their anger without thinking about what they're saying. Biathlon has been putting runs before swims for eons. A traditional biathlon format, maybe the traditional format, is run-swim-run. I did one of these in the 90s, ffs. They're still doing them. These people are also pointing to triathlon as some kind of norm. "Triathlon doesn't do it because its too dangerous!" But triathlon started with the Ironman in Hawaii, which has 2.4 miles (!) of swimming, +100 miles of cycling, and a marathon run. Well, O.K. After +100 miles of cycling and a marathon run, you might not want to include 2.4 miles (!) of swimming. I'll give you that. But that norm did not arise from short distance triathlons. It came from what at the time were thought to be unbeleivable distances in the Ironman. And I have heard triathletes say in shorter distance triathlons, sometimes they will mix up the modalities.
This event was only, ONLY, 3.5 miles of running and 800 meters of swimming. If that's dangerous for well-conditioned athletes who do a fair amount of swimming, then any swimming is dangerous. "Well, but they shouldn't pre-fatigue the athletes before swimming. Otherwise swimming is O.K." Well, how much swimming itself will fatigue the athletes? If they swim 400m, are they then too fatigued to do anymore swimming? What is the safe, fatigueless amount of swimming that can be expected from a CrossFit Games athlete?
Only a meathead who skips every running wod would think running 3.5 miles is so fatiguing that it would be dangerous to follow it up with any swimming.
All valid points. Thanks for specialized comment for sure. Triathletes were my immediate thought when I started to hear those comments. Obviously safety measures should’ve been beefed up, but hindsight is always 2020.
It is dangerous when the 3.5 miles run is basically a sprint it’s not a casual jog
And it was the first event. No one was tired. I could do that event easily even after doing a CrossFit workout. The death was an unfortunate fluke.
It was only 3.5 miles and swimming but the top time was what? 30m in total? That's a massive energy output in terrible heat and lazar was in the lead pack. That's a 3.5m sprint ...
@@verachocholova7078 Did you watch the race? It was not a sprint...Tia was interviewed after she came out third overall...Not a problem...What happened to Lazar was most likely a freak medical incident followed by a lack of professional lifesavers
Good take. Glad I found this video
Too soon ghoul!
@@SMinzy probably so. But the conversation is still happening regardless. Just a different perspective. This isn’t a dig at Crossfit or the athlete. The pursuit of anything is going to have consequences. And these athletes aren’t short of courage or effort.
@@WhoIsJonHarris This attitude is why I left my box and went to online programming.
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