New Hiker Trailer LITE is Most Affordable Yet!
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- The Lite version of the Hiker Trailer is aimed at those on a budget! This traditional 765lb small camper trailer may be affordable, but the components are not. Hiker swapped out their traditional powder coated steel frame for a lightweight aluminum chassis. They traded out leaf springs for higher clearance torsion axles. This trailer like the other Hiker trailers comes with a passthrough galley, wood interior, and a nice bed for two people. This is the perfect little camping trailer for couples, solo travelers, or travelers with dogs. And at this price, you will still have a budget leftover for all those add-on components.
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FINALLY!! A small/light camper that’s actually affordable (and customizable) that doesn’t start at $20k and go north of $70k. I’m interested!
Right?!!! I agree, this is very refreshing to see.
I’ve thought about building my own so it can grow with my needs. With a 4x8 at that price I think I’ve changed my mind. Great addition to the Hiker line. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Good point. That goes in line with my initial statement. Even if you and I were to try and build this ourselves there is no way we could do it for that price. They are working in volumes of material and industry discounts that we just can't get our hands on. With lumber and component prices today, sometimes it just makes more sense to get one, like this Hiker, built for us.
@@PlayingwithSticks and with my limited skills, the quality would never compare to what they have done here.
Also another great point. We have had so many people over the years tell us they can do better. Well, I have seen a lot of homebuilts over the years as well. Most are definitely not better. But, I have seen a couple and those usually end up costing them much more than they anticipated.
@@PlayingwithSticks you could if you did some of it with re-claimed stuff etc. That's about the only way from my research as well.
Man the competition is getting ruthless! Hiker trailer is out here to win! Great products!
That is a great way of putting it! For people who aren't familiar with the industry, they may still find this price high. But for folks like you and I who know what is going on in terms of current pricing, supply chain issues, etc. these guys are almost giving these away. I love it!
This is awesome! Has all the functionality and style at price that doesn't break the budget. I'm impressed.
Love hearing this! I was hoping the community would see this the way I do. I think it was a VERY needed addition to the small camper market. Light, affordable, practical, but still good quality.
"We give them a canvas, they create the art with their trailer" - what an awesome sentiment!
This got me thinking and I resonate with it because they're empowering their customers to create a camper that's perfect for them instead of trying to build an expensive and heavy camper that tries to be all things to all people.
I couldn't agree with this statement more. You will hear me talking about this a lot in the future. Beings my family chose to go the bare bones route as well. There is something about making your trailer "your trailer" that is hard to beat.
Good to see Hiker working hard to keep their trailer prices affordable. As he said, trailer prices have gone crazy. I like the fact they used a power station for the camper power. Good for Hiker for letting owners come back and get upgrades. Brakes are always a good idea on any trailer. The gear hauler was pretty cool.
As usual my friend, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. I appreciate it.
I agree that two doors is necessary. I travel with a friend sometimes and when you are both of a certain age…a middle of the night bathroom trip is likely. I think my homemade kitchen box will fit in this. I can rig a tarp but one of those small Kammok awnings over the back would be great!
I am slowly narrowing what my needs are; thanks to you, I think I could go quite simple. It helps being a retired backpacker! 😉
I'm right with you. I am also realizing my family likes simple as well. These bare bones trailers are making more and more sense to me everyday. I see them as a blank canvas.
Thanks Drew! Kudos to Hiker on the path they are taking with their innovation, affordability and market expansion! Hope you and May can enjoy a cup of coffee on me! 😊
Brad, you are the man! Thank you so much. You are doing an incredible job of fueling our coffee addiction. Haha. We always appreciate the support Brad. As well as the friendship and inspiration.
I was over at Deception Pass SP, WA this weekend and saw one of these! Now I'm sitting in the laundry matt parking lot watching your video and there goes another one! Maybe it's the same one. I sure do like these Hikers for size, personal adaptability and cost! Thanks!
Small world huh! Sounds like a beautiful area you are in. I'm a bit jealous.
Deception Pass a favorite area!
Finally, something us peasants can afford! Nice job Hiker!!!
Haha. So true! Love seeing these prices.
Love that guys approach. What a great owner and seems like a great company.
It's refreshing isn't it Greg? Thank goodness we have options like this in 2024. If all small camper companies chased the high priced teardrop/squaredrop market/bubble it would be pretty tough to stomach. So glad we have so many great options to choose from (luxury to barebones and everything in-between).
I just bought a Hiker about a month ago after years of research and trying to figure out which would work best for me. I got lots of great advice watching your channel and I’m having a great time getting to know my new Hiker. Thanks for all the work you put into your videos.
Welcome to the club! You said it perfectly "getting to know your new Hiker." It takes a while. It is a bit of a dance and it is ever changing. But the more you dial it in, the better it gets.
Man I like that guy! You can tell how enthusiastic he is about showing their offer - which is pretty cool!
Light weight, big use of space, versatility… I like it.
The other toy is pretty good too, kind of what I’m building 🙂
Thanks for bringing this cool stuff amigo!
And I’m very grateful for the conversions you do to make it easier to me. Gracias!
Glad you are enjoying the conversions and the videos mi amigo. I almost started building one of these gear hauling/expedition trailers as well. I really think they are very special trailers. So multi-use.
I really love my Hiker Trailer EOR to carry my motorcycle. I love that they made a mini toy hauler. I could definitely see myself getting one of those as well down the line for small trips.
I've never seen one with a bike on it, how cool is that? Did you have that custom made, or is that an option they advertise?
@@PlayingwithSticks they don’t advertise it but I post videos on it on my channel. When I bought mine I asked about the possibility of doing it and with a smaller bike it’s possible
That is so cool. I have a couple of small dual sports and would love to be able to do something like this.
I have a couple buddies with the original Hiker 4X8’s, who camp exclusively off road. The trailers are fairing better than their small SUV tow vehs. Every year they’ve added something to customize the camper. Very easy trailers to work on.
I had been seeing few Hikers in full service campgrounds, just in dry camps or Fed/State Forest camps. This year however I’ve seen one in every service and dry campground I’ve been through. They are getting popular.
This is so neat to to hear. Thank you for sharing this. And I have seen similar things with the campgrounds. Not just Hiker, but every mid to high producing small camper manufacturer. I have been so surprised how many I see on the road lately.
This is a very budget friendly trailer, if you keep it budget friendly. in all honestly 4,999 entry, you could load it down with dollar store products, walmart air or foam mattresses, or heck, a Futon Japanese floor matress, that you can roll up then have the entire floor useful during the day if you need it.
Hmm, Futon, small Kotatsu, and an inexpensive tatami chair or 2.. and it becomes a home away from home.. then add in a cheep little single burner stove for cooking and you are good to go on a budget adventure. umm drew, look up the following "Costway 6-Position Adjustable Floor Chair " and think of putting a pair of those in there for day time use. with the Kotatsu between them.
Where do you find this stuff! I need to subscribe to whatever newsfeed you have. I picture decking this out the way Lynn did with her Road Toad. Her trailer felt like a little home on wheels and it was just thrift store items and walmart. It doesn't take a whole lot. Thanks for pointing this out Jennifer! As you know...you rock!
@@PlayingwithSticks hehe, so you like that little costway floor chair? its a western take on the japanese Tatami floor chairs.. these things would work great in short tear drops. giving you a much "bigger" feeling, much like being in a full sized recliner while still in the tear drop, with a little tablet playing movies for you.
lots of little tablets you can buy for around 100 bucks.
We are going old school and bought a basic portable dvd player this year. Grabbing movies as we leave from the library and the kids are loving it. So far we only allow them on the road, I haven't given in yet at the campsite. Luckily though they also haven't asked. These boys are still enjoying the adventures for the adventure.
@@PlayingwithSticks i thought old schole would be 8mm projector :) that said, i'm still talking budget wise... download a movie or 3 before you leave... thoug you can get cheep portable dvd players too. so yeah that works as cost effectice.
though again, sitting in the floor relcyner, sipping coffee, reading a book as the thunderstorm rolls across the mountain... listening to the rain on the roof.
@jenniferstewarts4851 that last paragraph makes me just want to get out there right now.
Good base level trailer that is scalable and customizable. This is now at the top of my list. Fantastic. At this pricing point I have been looking at cargo trailers to convert.
Glad hearing this was a good fit for you. That is what these videos are all about. Finding that match!
Drew,
I can't thank you enough for this video. I wanted a mid to full feature trailer but I'll have to wait at least least three years, to get it the way I wanted.
Both trailer speak loudly to me.
The old man doesn't know me but he was sweet talking to me.
He had me at "Hello and $5,000"
I can do most of the modifications or add-ons myself.
1. I camp approx. 15 times/year and I would love the get off the ground. The teardrop would also allow me to camp early or late winter. I already own most of the galley equipment and two Ecoflow batteries. The only big ticket item would be a 12V fridge. Therefore, I don't have to load and unload SUV with the essential equipment. I just leave inside. Almost grab and go trailer.
2. The Gear Loft will be great for my 15.5 Ft fishing kayak. My only concern would be if I could fit my Thule roof cargo box and a metal tool box.
This made my day. I love hearing that this video really resonated with you. I got to tell you on this end it feels really good to hear that. I'm with you on the extended shoulder season camping. That was one of the big reasons we got our first teardrop trailer in Alaska. The summer was so short, but we weren't ready to be done. Luckily the 12v fridges are much more affordable then they used to be. Most of us don't need the best, just a nice mid-range fridge with a Dan Foss/Secop compressor. I would think the roof box and metal toolbox would have plenty of space. That gear hauler looked kind of small on video because I shot it on a wide angle lens. But in real life it would appear a bit bigger. 99% of our videos I shoot on a lens that looks close to the true eye. But, in this video I wanted people to see the whole trailer at all times. I probably should have mentioned that.
Almost as light as our 5x8. For the DIYers who like to customize their rig, this seems to be a decent blank canvas. The telescoping tongue is so useful. We've done that for some custom orders. The other side benefit is that the tongue is removable for storage too.
Interesting. Your 5x8 kit is lighter than this huh? Mark, I would love to know where you are finding the weight savings. We have never really highlighted the low weight of your trailers. Sounds like a potential idea you and I need to look at some time.
@@PlayingwithSticks Ha! Well, people will build them out however they want but if they're built exactly to spec it should be 743 lbs (give or take a few oz). Weight savings is in the frame (not made for off road use) and the profile cuts material and wheel/tire weight is likely less. 20 years of design tweaks and material testing slowly refines it too.
My guesses when doing a vs with Hiker. I'm impressed with their build.
Thanks Mark! I remember when we first really got into teardrops everything I took out was under 1,000lbs. Now, everything seems to be over 1,000lbs. I understand technology has changed and our understanding of teardrop builds have changed, but I don't know what that actually means. Why was a trailer form the same company 700 some pounds in 2017 and now that same trailer weighs 900lbs. Where did that 200lbs come from. I'm usually assuming it is frame and axles. Does that sound right?
@@PlayingwithSticks Frame, axles, and probably popular features that Customers Want. At some point, there are so many customer requests for something that it just makes sense to make those things a standard part of production. There is also a significant shift in customer interest to the off-road stuff. As a life long offroader, I appreciate it but I still feel most people take them to campgrounds and rarely offroad (just like their vehicles). There is a certain look or faddish style that is in play that could add to the weight too.
Love love love this! I want one!!
Awesome to hear Patty!
Wish these were available in Australia!
The rate they are growing, who knows...maybe they will be there soon.
@@PlayingwithSticks let them come to Canada land of lakes and mountains ready to be explored
Hello quality minimalist at a super budget friendly rate! This speaks to my family, as a person who loves the simplicity of tent camping, but pays for it with sleep/body pain. Slap a rooftop tent on, and its perfect for my family(or have the kids in a tent), and for a 1/2 or 1/3 price of others.
Great breakdown of the trailer here. I couldn't agree more.
I know you just got your new trailer can you make a video where you stor everything and how fridge does in front, with mud and dirt and rocks . Would also like to know all the extras and why thank you
You know, I would love to do that, but I probably won't make that video for quite some time. I really want to get to know the trailer before I suggest anything. In a month or two, just send me an email. I can send you pictures and give you a little write up of what I am currently doing. At the moment I don't have it quite dialed in, but by November I should have a pretty good idea.
@@PlayingwithSticks thank you I’ve been thinking of the same trailer just worried about fridge being where it is and heating and cooling I live in Arizona
@michaelrobinson7632 That's a valid concern. I mean, obviously you're going to need a weather sealed cooler like the iceco that we're using. But in all honesty, it really comes down to how you use your cooler. Right now we're going to run the iceco on the tongue, but I'm not sure if I'm going to use it there forever. Our family only opens the fridge about one time just right before we make the food. So keeping it in the tow vehicle really doesn't add that much more of a hassle. I always thought it was neat to have it in your galley kitchen, but lately I've been wondering how often do I actually benefit from it being so close to me. Like I said this season I'll be running it on the tongue, but I think next season I'll definitely experiment with it in my tow vehicle and using the tongue for other storage.
Other brands need to take note from hiker trailers. They focus on affordability, quality and customer satisfaction. A lot of these other brands seem to have issues with affordability. I’m glad to see a company like this making affordable trailers. Moves like this will push the other companies to start figuring out ways to make a quality trailer at a better price.
I hope this triggers some waves in the industry. Love seeing these prices.
@@PlayingwithSticks same here. We’re definitely starting to see a shift. The voice said it all when he said “some of these prices.” He even knows. That tells me he and the team at hiker care.
Yeah, the Sylvan Sport Go was the first thing to come to mind when I saw the Hiker Camper gear loft. The Go doesn't have an actuator but it will haul an ATV. But it is also 15 grand. So, we shall see. You of course know someone is going to complain about price even if the price were 5 dollars. A 5x8 enclosed trailer with rear swing out and side front door for self conversion starts at roughly $3350 and weighs 1025 pounds. But without electric brakes, without a torsion axle, without a fan and without connections for shore power or solar connections or interior lighting. Not to mention without interior finishing. Could someone with the tools and the skills finish one of those trailers to a higher level for the same money? Yes. But most of those commenting here can't or won't but like to complain anyway. Folks have to remember that this is a business and in a business you have to not only supply the product but keep the lights on and the employees paid as well as feeding your own family as the business owner. You can't sell everything at cost. Because selling at cost in a business means you are selling at a loss. But, hey, any of you out there who think you could honestly build and sell a better equipped and built (yes, the welds were actually sloppy, hopefully they get better) trailer for less money and warrant and service it for years to come I'm waiting. I am one of those people with the tools and the skill to build out a cargo trailer but I doubt I would ever do so. I prefer the build out in my SUV and not having to tow anything. But if I were to buy a trailer a Hiker 5x8 or 5x9 would be a massive head start for a total self build out for the least money possible on a great travel and adventure platform. Don't think the 4x8 is quite big enough for me though.
Great comment here! Thank you so much for spending the time to share this. I don't heart a lot of comments. This definitely gets a big heart!
@@PlayingwithSticks Thanks. Yeah, I know this is the internet and complainers with little background or knowledge of any subject they chime in on are rampant but every once in a while I get tired of the incessant foolish comments. Especially the people who say manufacturers of things like this trailer are trying to "rip people off." These are toys. No one needs one to live their life. They aren't shelter, food or life saving medicine. They are products for people who have disposable income and happen to want to spend this extra income on a small travel trailer. So since no one is in need of such an item and no one is being forced to buy them there is no way any of these companies can rip you off unless they don't deliver what they say they will. I also tire of the people who have zero business acumen who think the price a product should be sold for should equal the total of the parts it's made of and not a dime more. Yeah, forget about every aspect that went into acquisition, assembly, transport, warranty, delivery, research and development, taxes and insurance, rent and having some left for the owner of the company to eat with. But this attitude that everything is a rip off is pervasive these days. I remember when the C8 Corvette hit dealer lots and dealers were asking $20,000 in markup and guys were saying this was making them unaffordable and they should be banned from "ripping people off.". Okay, sure pal, you were standing in line, check in hand, eager to pay that affordable $70,000 MSRP but that darn dealer marked it up 20K so you had to go back to walking everywhere. Okay, so some companies are asking far more than an item needs to sell for to cover all the aforementioned costs plus a generous profit. However, just because you want something but can't afford it is not the definition of rip off. As far as things like this trailer go, well, I know a lot of people who routinely spend a dollar trying to save a dime and many of the commenters here and on countless other channels sound like those folks. They can always do it better for less. Maybe. Perhaps as a one off build for themselves without paying anyone for labor or buying tools they didn't already have. Even then they probably can't but they aren't going to let a lack of research and reality get in the way of a good baseless opinion. And they certainly can't if trying to do so as a viable business model. I know as the creator it is frowned upon to review reality with some of your viewer base but I have nothing to lose from doing so.
For that price I could buy two one for the adults and one for the kids and pull doubles. 😂😂😂😂
This definitely a great entry level trailer for one to two people.
I like the back to the roots approach, a place to store and haul camping gear and ready made bed/tent once your destination is reached.
I couldn't have said that any better Mike! Thank you.
At 8:20 you mentioned that you can now pretty much predict the failure points on a teardrop based on its age. Are you going to do a special on that? I'm early stages of a foamie build and would love to know what to look out for or where to reinforce the design or avoid certain features.
I love that idea. I will put it on the list. Unfortunately though I have a ton of content I already shot that will have to go out first.
What's the best way to reach out to you? I'm building a 5' x 8' foamie sheathed in truck bed liner that I think you might want to check out. Seamless, rot proof, super insulated, galvanized trailer frame, and less than 600 lbs. Would love to show it to you when finished.
i think 4x8 is perfect for some people. i think that would be too small for me. having said that, great price for sure. God bless everyone
I think I wouldn't have known any different. It felt great for us, because we didn't have anything to compare it to. But, now after being in a 5x8 it would be hard to go back.
This looks just about perfect. I built one around $8k online. I think I could tow this with a Crosstrek with a 2.0L or Honda CRV.
Yes, that would pair great with a crosstrek, CRV, or RAV4
When I first saw the new one, I thought the tent on top were fold down doors to make it a teardrop and then fold them back up to haul your toys. Now that’s an idea
I like that idea!
Theres a company doing this but it is like 20k lol
Great video! Love Bob and the Hiker crew!
Good seeing you Brian!
@@PlayingwithSticksI sent you an email, hoping to connect
Did I miss another one from you? Sorry Brian. Like you, I've been playing a lot of catch up lately. Another season of transitions. Haha. Sorry Brian. I will make sure to pull that email up right now.
Hey Drew. Thanks for showing this to us. This is a possibility for me. Add a minimal solar. Might be just really be good ffor starters. especially since we can add on other items .
Exactly! A nice barebones, build as you go trailer. And I love the weight!
Good seeing you buddy!
@@PlayingwithSticksI wish I could do this before my vacation this time. Maybe next time. Will be in Moab a few days before heading onward to Montana.
Your trip sounds like it is going to be great. We still haven't done Moab as a family.
@@PlayingwithSticks
Montana with a slick noggin may be different.
Love seeing an aluminum frame 👍
That was big for me! I completely agree with you Patrick. Hope all is well with you my friend.
Exceptionally good vid - thank you :)
That's an amazing value
It truly is!
Thanks, Drew, this was a great video! And I’m really glad you like this, the con about the storage isn’t a con for me, I like having options! And I noticed the side opening instead of the opening up, I remember you saying something about that in one of your posts. The gas struts slowly moving down. Anyway, I’m loving this little trailer! And I have to watch it again because now I can’t remember if plug ins were included. Brain fog, it’s real 😅🩷
I'm with you on the options. I used to think I liked cabinets and drawers. Well, I still like them. But, I prefer now to just make my own. Either modular or stationary. That way I can build around my needs. And yes, you are a great listener. The gas struts slowly move down (lose their holding power), meaning need replaced eventually. And then you have this problem I mentioned...The pressure the gas springs themselves put on the rear corners of the camper eventually will push that seam apart. Yes, it can be repaired, but you always have to keep your eye on it. He was kind of vague with the plugs. Basically what I took away is that it is wired for power stations or battery, but I am not sure if it is wired for plugs. Obviously the power station would have it's own plugs (which is how we use our new barebones teardrop), but I am not sure if you have to upgrade to hard wired plugs. My guess would be yes, but my brain fog is setting in as well. I read all this on their website and now can't recall any of it. Haha.
@@PlayingwithSticks I know, I did, too. I’ll just email them to ask the question and get back with you.
Thanks Ramona, I appreciate it!
@@PlayingwithSticksok, I emailed them, they haven’t responded yet. So, I just looked up the website and there is a wiring harness, 110v AC shore power, plug, front USB and a volt meter. That answers our questions, right?
@ramonapuckett3059 oh wow, I wasn't expecting that. Thank you for taking the time to share this. I've been really surprised at everything you get on this barebones build.
This reminds me of the runaway campers just without the A/C
I've had a Runaway 4x8 for 10 years. (This video poped up in my TH-cam feed, so I watched; yes very similar to Runaway)
Exactly. That is their competition. Very similar trailers. Also similar build process. But, a few years ago Runaway switched to composite so now they are a bit different in design vs the past.
Very interesting camper at an affordable price! ❤
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
He needs slide out tables that can be set at table height with the linear actuator from the top of the gear carrier trailer.
I like that. I think he could easily make that happen if someone wanted that as a custom edition.
Id like to see how that aluminum frame holds up after a few years of going down rough roads to get to trailheads etc.
My guess is it would do just find if we are talking forest service/trailheads. It appears to be a pretty robust aluminum frame. An a-frame tongue and the frame is spread throughout the trailer. In my opinion the seams of the cabin would probably separate before you have a chassis issue. Or maybe at the same time, but both are pretty unlikely if you take it easy and pick good lines.
Thanks for another great video! I really like this trailer, but I am wondering how the aluminum frame would handle jeep trails, logging roads, and other not too extreme off roads over time.
In my opinion I think it really would just come down to how you drive. If you pick good lines, take your time, keep your trailer from going airborne/dropped off ledges I think it would hold up just fine. You don't have a lot of weight. Typically light trailers like this do not have an a-frame chassis and the frame only covers part of the trailer. The fact that you have an a-frame tongue and a chassis that covers the majority of the trailer, I think this will be up for more than most of us realize.
While aluminum is lighter than steel for the same profile, welds reduce the strength of the material in the heat affected zone to about 50% of it's pre-weld condition.
I'd strongly prefer steel for a chassis application. The downside is the need for corrosion protection, which for the budget would be either a single stage alkyd or acrylic enamel over a primer. Hot dipped galvanizing is great, but again quite costly.
If you have a good monocoque 'box', the torsion axle can mount directly to it, and so can the tongue, removing the need for large members under the box. I'd envision two layers of hand laid 6 oz fiberglass cloth with epoxy on both sides of 1" or 1.5" XPS foam. Strong, lightweight, no seams with screws, butyl tape and materials with different expansion ratios trying to 'break' itself.
What you are describing is essentially what Charles and I did with our trailer. And it was a big trailer. Mostly carbon fiber and a little Kevlar, but like you said monocoque. It is definitely doable.
Can you or have you made a video about the things that can go wrong at a 5,10 year mark? That was interesting .
I've talked about them sprinkled throughout videos, but I have never put it all together. That's a great idea!. Thank you
Not a tear drop perhaps in this case perhaps, but I’d love to see essentially the same unit (4x8) with a standing or near standing height inside.
Technically a squaredrop. As for your wish, the closest thing I know to this would be the Rouser from Runaway. But I think it may be a 6x8. It is standing height and fairly affordable.
@@PlayingwithSticksthat is interesting and helpful, thank you. One nice feature (among others) I noticed about the Hiker Trailer is the swing out rear door with gear pass-through.
I think those are great features as well. And features that come typically on higher dollar trailers. The only downfall of the swing out door is that means you get no coverage from the sun and rain from it being overhead.
I wish they made a truckbed camper option instead of a tow behind.
We are seeing more and more companies doing this. TC Teardrops, Nucamp, I'm probably sure there are others. So I think you can still be hopeful maybe they do it one day.
Still want you to review the Sylvan Sport Go (or the new Go All Terrain). Good comparison for gear loft).
You got it my friend. I actually filmed it. Now, it just has to wait it's turn in line. Haha. I believe it was the GOAT.
I would like a 5 x 8. Also I must have a door on each side. It would be hard enough with two doors getting in and out. 73. I would not need any wiring or fans. Just need a place to sleep. 73 P. S. I removed the 10 feet because you can add on in the rear with a removable platform. 73
Thank you for sharing. And you probably are aware of this, but if not Hiker's standard trailer is 5x8. And all their trailers you can have 2 doors. I have a feeling Bob and his team would have no problem whipping up a 5x8 with 2 doors and no wiring or fans for you. Good seeing you Ron!
@@PlayingwithSticks thanks I still interested in these low cost trailers Im in the middle of a move but still looking at your videos. You are the best in you tube when it comes to camping. 73
@@PlayingwithSticks I just looked on their website and they do make a 5 x 10 for more money. Thanks again. 73
Thanks Ron!
I've been looking at the Hiker Trailers for a while and this is a great addition to their line up. All the forums are filled with "get the biggest trailer you can" comments but I'm a solo camper, so I don't need all that space. I'm looking for room for a twin mattress and a place where I can store my kitchen gear. Do you see any real downsides to this small size? I've been backpacking and tent camping, so having a hard shell around me is a luxury.
Have you seen Lynn's road toad video yet? While it isn't a Hiker, it is a great example of what you can do with one of these small trailers. Here is that video if you haven't seen it yet. th-cam.com/video/FZEy_PbIp4A/w-d-xo.html In terms of downsize, we loved ours before stepping into a 5x8. We honestly felt it was perfect. Now though after being in a 5x8 it would be a little harder going backwards, but that is just 1 foot-itis. Again, I don't think we would be any "happier" in the 5x8 vs the 4x8 it is just a bit more luxury, but both get us to the same destinations.
@@PlayingwithSticks I've watched Lynn's video several times. It's so cool what she's done with her trailer. Looks cozy and functional. (I've been watching your videos for years, but almost never on a computer so I can't normally comment). Keep up the great work!
WOW COOL!
budget food stores-
Lol, you can even do budget "MRE's." for camping there are tons of products to limit what you have to bring.
BEN'S ORIGINAL BISTRO EXPRESS - verity of flavors, microwavesable rice packs BUT you can also cook them buy leaving them in boiled water.
Course you have stuff like Knorr which is just add water.
Dollar stores also have Pasta Pouches, can get them in several different packs, cook in boiling water again :)
Idea's like this let you get quick meals and sides that you can have without needing a freezer or fridge or cooler. great for 1-2 day camping trips, or just leaving in your camper in case of emergancy. darn things last a long time and are pretty light.
This is what I ate before I met May. I think that is why she married me. She thought I looked so miserable. The poor guy never eats real food. Most would call this camp food. I called it my everyday fuel. Haha. I always tell her I was quite happy. But, the food we have today is a big step up!
@@PlayingwithSticks yep, but for this, it also works very well with the minimalist build, you don't need a fridge, you don't need cooler, don't need dishes, pots and pans...
just 1 pot to boil water in. and a water container. you could even cook these using an Esbit stove (just not inside).
this cuts down on the initial expense again to get started.
That is a good point. That would really cut down on the prep time for a trip. And then obviously the work time during a trip.
Very interested in this but their web site doesn't list it. When will it be available?
It is available, it's listed as the highway lite model. If you just put hiker highway light into Google, you'll find it
I want 6X12X5, I really want one..
Wait, 6x12x5. I can almost provide that. If you check out our Bend Teardrop video we have a 6x12 by probably 4.5 I would guess. Here is that video th-cam.com/video/Iv9iTA-Tvk8/w-d-xo.html
I think TCTeardrops added a less expensive, entry level trailer a bit ago. I also think we will see more and more established makers doing similar as the market for the $30,000+ models dries up. I also think anyone buying this particular trailer will need to clime under and armour up all that plastic wire loom hanging down in the path of road debris.
That is neat to hear. I didn't realize that. Thank you for sharing this about TC Teardrops. Have I ever asked your name? All these years and I realize, I don't know your name.
@metaxaanabeer 😂 deleting it right now. I got your name
I love and need gear hauler
Yes, this would make a great gear hauler. That's really what a squaredrop is. A gear hauler that doubles as a bed on wheels.
That second trailer is like a Swiss army knife
That is a great way to describe it. I think Bob only just got started explaining the potential. Imagine the things you could do with that trailer
@@PlayingwithSticks if the lifting mechanism was similar to a tent trailer with cables it would be out of the way, by using pins to secure it might be better by freeing the space below. Lots of solutions and options with this one.
@@andrewanderson5297 It looked like the center lifting mechanism had a pull pin at the top, so when not being needed to raise or lower the roof they could just pull the pin and lay the lift down flat on the floor. If I was just seeing things though, that is the first modification that I would add to it.
Great point! and I think Bob will figure that out as the need arises. A lot of the engineers out there try to bypass the cable systems to reduce moving parts. Basically the more simple they can design these lift mechanisms the less chance of failure and the easier for us to field repair.
I think you saw that right. You would be able to move that actuator. If I had a 300lb tent on top and maybe some additional gear I would probably need that actuator most of the time. For me I like keeping things simple. I wouldn't mind a low geared hand crank system. Yes, it would take more time, but I could raise it myself and not have to worry about motors and more complicated field repair.
Greetings! I am looking for a trailer similar to an Intech Flyer Explore but with less wood. What do you recommend? Thanks!
That is a tough one, not many folks are making something like this. For one, tip out beds are very rare in the small camper industry. #2 if someone is doing something like this it is either wood or a cargo trailer. As for the wood, are you sure Intech is using wood on that build? I haven't checked out that trailer in years, but Intech rarely uses wood. They usually have an aluminum bird cage cabin with an aluminum chassis and then composite as sidewalls. If you want something similar I would look at converted cargo trailers like Weroll or other similar businesses.
I love the price point. But there isn’t much there. It’s a box on a frame with a fan. Nice guy though. He is a plus.
That is really all we need. The rest is just wants. But I get you, I like those "wants" as well.
Hi Drew, I’ve watched quite a few of your videos and I appreciate them. I’m looking for a very affordable, light-weight (well under 3500lbs), small (maybe 4X6), off road camping trailer that my GF and I can stand up in. We’re both very short. I’m 5’4 and she’s 5’1 and we don’t need the interior space to be much taller than that. Do you know of any trailers like that, having maybe a 5’5 interior height? Any manufacturer you know of that would do a custom height?
The only non custom I can think of would be Intech's Explore. It is a really neat camper. My only issue is the head height, but it would be perfect for you. I went to their website and it now says 6' high interior, they must have increased it. But if you get an older model I want to say it was like 5'5" or so. Here is our video on that trailer when the ceiling was lower th-cam.com/video/l8vApbGUjoo/w-d-xo.html.
This is half the price of the cheaper Tear drops in the market in 2015. Granted we had running water and a two burner stove.
Good point! Kind of crazy that we are seeing a $4,999 trailer in 2024.
Hey Drew, quick question? 🙋♂️ what we’re all those circles on the wall at the beginning of the video? Was that because of humidity or damaged? Min. 1:46
I saw that too. When I shot this video I accidentally shot what I thought was slow motion in fast motion. Therefore I couldn't use any of my interior shots. So I took those shots from Hiker's website. What you are seeing is a bit of an optical illusion. Basically what I am seeing from eyes is a lower res camera taking a shot in weird lighting. Then this already poor video with rolling shutter and bad light went through some degradation with the codec and quality of the video within the editing software. When it came out on the other side, it just looks weird. I think that camper in their video is probably the exact same one you see in ours. And you can tell in ours it looks just fine. Long explanation short, Hiker doesn't pay top dollar for wood with little or no wood knots. The knots give it character, but also keep the price down. And it was the knots that were playing tricks on the camera. The camera they used had trouble keeping up with the variations and pattern of the wood caused by the knots. Kind of like filming someone wearing stripes, often times it comes out as a strange optical illusion. Hope this helps. Summary, not water damage, just funny camera images messing with you and I.
@@PlayingwithSticks thanks for taking the time to write. Great video. Really enjoyed the comments about the struts.you did a review not to long ago that used a wooden rod support, seems the way to go for a teardrop
I'm a big fan of those wood supports. I also like the springs TC Teardrops use. No gas struts needed and once you close that galley, the springs are no longer under tension.
@@PlayingwithSticks yeah as of now, for me at least. Quality + affordability = TC Teardrops
Todd and Carol make a great trailer. I completely agree with your take.
Now that’s a deal
It really is!
If it only had 8" more headroom it would be ideal.
There isn't a whole lot of teardrops/square drops with 8" more clearance but they do exist.
Nice👍👍
Agreed! Thanks for sharing.
I’m sure confused why it’s that hard for them to make it light for such a small trailer. My Hiker Highway Deluxe is a 5x8 with two doors, the rear door, basic internal shelves, and steel frame says it is 780 pounds on the title. And it was $3499 in 2017. A 4x8 Highway basic with one door and no shelves was $2899…
I have an answer for you Steve and Deb. It was actually in this video, but due to length I had to cut it out. The stick built teardrop expectations have greatly increased in the past 5 years. What once were 700-800lb trailers overnight became 900lb to 1200lb trailers. Not saying the older Hikers are poorly built trailers. But, Bob and I did have an on-camera conversation about the quality control of his line of trailers. Hiker trailers have continued to evolve over the past 5 years as more and more hit the road. We know much more now about micro vibrations and water penetration then we did in the past. Because of this, trailers have been updated accordingly. While the quality and components has increased, so has the weight, components, and the price. Better and more components plus supply chain issues have lead to greatly higher prices in the last 5 years within the industry. Most companies road the wave and jacked up their prices to meet market demand. But Hiker, when everyone was raising their prices the last few years by thousands of dollars, they only raised theirs by like $500. Even Camp-Inn who has a very similar business model (meaning they do everything to keep the price down) their little Road Toad jumped up by like $3,000. It was crazy times. And still is crazy times. So seeing this price in late 2024, early 2025 is pretty bananas. I love it!
Hi Drew! I had to go back and take another look at the interior at 1:47 because it looks like the wall on the left is upholstered, with tufting. Are my 69-year-old eyes deceiving me or is this from stapling or nailing the wall? 🤓
When I get back home I'll look at this again. I had to throw out my interior shots because I accidentally shot them on the wrong settings, so I pulled those off of hiker's website.
Hi Jody. I am looking at my original video. Meaning, the video not uploaded to TH-cam. And on all four walls all I am seeing is wood and some white caulk on the seams. My guess is you could be seeing 2 things. #1 when TH-cam gets the video uploaded there will be compression artifacts, so the video maybe showing what we call artifacts from all the movement (panning in that shot). Essentially that means you will see things that really aren't there, they appear as images or edges, but what we nerds call artifacts. #2 You could be seeing the knots in the wood. Hiker to keep the costs down purchases wood that is nottier (yes I just invented that word haha) and has more imperfections aesthetically then some of the other builds. You may just be seeing some of those knots. But, from the original video at 1:47 there is no upholstery or tufting. It is kind of wild what video compression can do to an image. My suggestion is watch it again, but set your video playback to 1080p. This will take out a big part of that compression, but not all of it.
@@PlayingwithSticksGood morning, Drew. Thx for the explanations. When I play back slower, it looks more like belly buttons now! 😅 (btw, I knew there would be no upholstery in this bare-bones unit but was trying to explain what it looked like, and Scamps do have carpeted walls LOL)
Hey our 4x8 had upholstery so it is definitely possible. I think the Road Toad did as well right? Many bare bones campers do come with that rat fur. It is an affordable easy way to cover up some of those ugly seams.
How high does it bounce hitting bumps on the highway?
We get that question a lot with these lightweight trailers. If the axles are properly derated, it won't bounce higher than other trailers on the road. But, I notice a lot of manufacturers do not properly derate those axles.
@@PlayingwithSticks Thank you for your reply. This trailer is as simple as it gets and I like it. Thank you for sharing.
Cool
Glad you think so. I feel the same way.
Didn't they already have this and discontinued it?
Long ago we had a 4x8 that was made of steel. This is similar, but had a huge overhaul on the design based on customer feedback.
Sorry i'm late drew.
Always great to see you, on time, late, or early!
Hopefully that was just the concept model as those welds were the ugliest I’ve seen.
You are the second person to mention that. Thanks for taking the time to leave feedback.
The welds are horrendous
Don't forget to elaborate. What are you seeing?
@@PlayingwithSticks Now I will preface that I am not a welder, but I do work with a few. However, I'm seeing burn through, inconsistent bead, separation between them.for the most part. 2:42 shows a lot of poor QC. There's pitting as well towards the front and holes in the welds.
You rock! Thank you so much taking the time. I did a bit of welding back in the day and then over the years, but mine are quite ugly, so I don't know what to look for. Thank you for taking the time to point this out.
Can you cook from the inside I like more privacy
Take another look at the trailer welding...!!! That is the most amateur and unsafe welding job I have ever seen... I would not trust this chassis to go around the block..
I think you are the third person to mention the welds
Time....why anyone would waste time building their own trailer when this thing is around....just buy this thing and spend the time you would save out there camping
Really good point. Especially in 2024 with lumbar and component prices. There is time and cost. And we couldn't build one at this price.
5000 bucks for a matchbox?????? Nope, I’ll pass !!!!!!
I was waiting for someone to say this. There won't be a lot of comments like this on here, most of the PWS community sees the beauty in these designs. But, I also understand they are not for everyone.
@@PlayingwithStickswell at least you didn’t have to wait very long. Lol.
Haha. That gave me a good little laugh. Thank you!
@@PlayingwithStickslol u r welcome
Haha yeah, it’s a lesson in what happens when you don’t have the magic of economy of scale
why does it have electric brakes it only weights 700 pounds. by the time you add spare tire and any basics the prices soars. pass.
My guess is that it has electric brakes because they are aiming at a market of individuals with smaller tow vehicles and EVs.
@@PlayingwithSticks my rav 4 has a 4 pin connector and 1500 pound tow capacity but i have to spend 500 bucks for a ebrake controller and 400 bucks for a spare tire. it goes up from there.
@inflationmillionaire-df3mn you don't have to spend anything. But maybe 10 bucks for a Fix-A-Flat. Yes, the trailer came with brakes, but you don't have to engage them. And as for a spare tire, I kind of laugh at this one. The industry convinces us.tgat We all need them. It's nice to have, but definitely not a need . But if you've been around trailer tires for a while, you realize they're pretty hard to puncture. And most people have something like roadside assistance anyways. All my trailer tire issues have been handled with either a tire plug or fix a flat.
im not sure how you would use the trailer with a 4 pin would i just get an adapter for 4 to 7 and it will work without brakes? but then im paying extra for electric brakes which im not using? anyways i appreciate the info.
Yes, I do see your point. Why pay extra for something you don't need. I feel that way about a lot of trailers. And yes, you would be able to pick up a wiring harness/adapter to use your current setup. But, better yet I am pretty sure the Hiker crew would just throw a 4 pin on there for you with a 7 pin backup in case you need it in the future. This is what I do with my trailers. And when you run 4, yes it won't signal the breaks. They basically are just hanging out there in case you ever need them in the future.
2:40 The welds on the under-side of that trailer, the chassis are horrendous! They look horribly blotchy and bubbly (I'm picky... been welding for over 30 years)
I haven't spent much time welding aluminum. So my aluminum welds vs my steel welds are hideous. Probably why I didn't catch it on here until people pointed it out. Compared to mine these looked great, haha.
@@PlayingwithSticks I'm sure they're structurally fine even though I cannot tell without actually inspecting them in person, but I do like this trailer for the price this day and age. :) I did a LOT of aluminum, plated steel, stainless, copper sweating too all sorts of metal bonding as I worked in a meat packing plant, and automotive fab shop back in my 20's and 30's. woot. lol