It is certainly a waste of time for Bubbles (the chimp) to go to university. However I can waste my time with Choupette (Karl's Feline) and still be worth it. ☕😗
If you go to University to gain work experience and learn about workplaces as much as possible, then it is not a waste of time. If you go to have a theoretical backgrounds, then yes it could be a waste of time considering the free online resources.
Im in the exam session of my first semester. I've noticed that studying alone is not as efficient and staying at the uni with fellow students until late is the best way to learn. You just have to figure out who these people are. I'll certainly collaborate more even during weekly courseload
Yes, but actually - No. YES - cause of almost 99% of my knowledge I got from books, from internet and by practice. NO - cause Without University degree I can't get work permit.
Basically... 1. Are you trying to become an employer? --> Don't go to university 2. Do you want to be a teacher, engineer, doctor, lawyer, or scientist? --> Go to university 3. A normal job that need a bit of skill --> Go to community college
I like that this video presents a very well-considered argument, and highlights the nuances of the discussion rather than just giving a blanket 'yes' or 'no'. Personally, I did an IT degree and now work in a completely different field, so the most valuable lessons I learnt at uni probably involved 'soft' skills (eg. teamwork and collaboration) rather than the actual content of my course.
I’ve taught for 15 years at a University (in the UK) and I agree. Education and knowledge are not the same thing. A passive participant ends up with a collection of information, which means nothing if they don’t know how to use it, or have any idea how to communicate it.
In the eighties when i was a university student, a professor told me a degree was worth nothing once you've earned it but worth everything when you haven't. He was right. No one today cares what i did in university yet i wouldn't trade my university experience for anything.
Used to be true, but that changed years ago. I thought online was a joke at first but quickly saw the benefits. Predatory lending weights down a couple of generations now. Prices are insane. Public education likely won't keep up with what it needs to best serve the needs of students, it never has. Lots of problems, consider carefully, decades of your future are at stake. Good topic. BTW, I heard that college loan was considered a 'goog kind of debt'. Is this true and if so was it the loan company and/or school promoting it. Seems corrupt and actionable.
If I didn’t have my cs degree, Canada wouldn’t let me emigrate and I’d be making 4x less money. So it was worth it, I don’t care if I learned a lot or not so much
It's valuable if you choose the field you're passionate about, professors and other students at university might help you shape up your future and set you on the right track, through giving valuable advice and getting to learn stuff that you wouldn’t find elsewhere.
Fun fact:- my best friend who didn't go to school or college won a quiz competition against top universities students from my state. He spent all of his time in the library. I feel so proud of him :)
Stay in School! For the love of Pete! I'm 55. Not having a college degree has been an extreme hit on my lifelong financial earnings. I earned between 25% to 50% of my peers. And while money isn't everything, the impact was that I never had any savings, and I never had health insurance until my late 30s, and my financial contributions to Social Security were so low that, were I to retire on that I would spend my senior years in poverty. I have watched the life-outcomes of my peers, some of whom attended university and some who did not. The career and wealth results are not fundamentally predicted by that factor. Race and gender played big roles, personality, drugs, chance, these also mattered. But in my small observations - and certainly my own life - having a college degree was the largest predictive factor in financial stability. And of course, in the US, there are tons of statistics to back this up. Not only do incomes lag, but career advancement is heavily stymied - people are constantly promoted to leadership above you. I could not attend university in my teens and 20s primarily due to the cost, which in the1980s was a small fraction of the cost for most American universities today. I was a self-taught computer programmer back in the 1990s, and eventually made a good income. But the lack of a degree always held me back from landing jobs. So the degree thing is enormous. So now I am 10 weeks away from completing my undergraduate degree in CS. And I can say something about being a life-long learner vs. studying in school. Aside from the credential, which I cannot stress enough is a profound difference in probable life outcomes, at least here in the US, there is the obvious goal of education. In my experience, an accredited university education provides a standard of experiences and demands that are essentially not available without university. The curriculum is a core issue. We will always be self-learners, but in doing so we are seldom exposed to the depth of detail found in university study. Guidance is crucial. Even with decades in the field, I did not known what computer science topics were important to know beyond what my jobs and curiosity. Without those, it is hardly science at all. I have always been very self motivated, and it's true that self-learning is vastly different today with the Internet. But TH-cam's recommendation algorithm is designed to maximize user clicks, eyeballs, and TH-cam's profits. They are not a substitution for a legitimate curriculum designed by educational leaders in their field. And obviously, the discussion forums of the comments section is generally a minefield of bots and trolls. Finally, the question about whether university is a waste of time is presented as a personal choice: will you personally benefit most from university or not? And while that's a hugely important question, there's an even bigger question it provokes. What are the consequences to society if people reject university? This is like the herd-immunity issue in the vaccination debate.There are a million ways to improve the university system - and I am a constant proponent of no-bullshit criticism of the modern university system's failures - but the thing driving virtually all major advancement in every advanced field is the university system, and mass popular participation in it. Are doctors perfect? Certainly not. Do doctors mess up all the time. Sure. Do I want a doctor without a degree? No fucking way. An attorney? No. A structural engineer? Nope. A pilot? No. The purpose of certification and accreditation regimes is to promote the social good of identifiable qualification and expertise in a field. Sure there are problems. Sure, some tiny fraction people will not individually benefit from a university education. But statistics on the economic consequences of a college degree are unambiguous. And the chances are - you and I, individually are normal and will fall into the normal distribution of consequences.
Thank you sir I admire your ability to pickup studying again. It was good to read about your perspective as a senior on whether university is beneficial.
Depends on the university and the major. In my personal experience, in today's world, university is a BIG waste of time, its become more of a business rather than an actual education center.
Great advice! Unfortunately because people tend to be so young when they go, they are often too shy to ask questions in lectures and seminars. I was pretty passive in my first 3 years, but I have to say that, even though I could have technically learned everything from a book, I certainly wouldn't have; at least not in 4 years, so the pacing was very valuable to me.
As a non-university graduate (just a local college 2 year degree), I think you're pretty much spot on all the way. For me it's going to again become a question as eventually my daughter will need to figure out what she will want to do. I'm really not sure what we're going to do.
@ivankontra3446 not all of us have that discipline. School keeps you on track. And being able to ask questions saves tons of time. Plus having proof you understand concepts is good. MOST OF ALL , sometimes in a field, you don't know what you don't know.
In my opinion, it is certainly true that you can basically get almost all the information you need for you to self study however there are times when you lose motivation to study. For instance, I am an undergraduate physics student and there were times where I was not getting the concept in some part in physics and I was not doing well, I was in dilema. However I reached out to my friends who are also studying physics and they helped me out so much that I gained momentum again to keep on going. To conclude, I think it is worth the money if you really want to study along with the best people who also want to study just as much as you do. Basically what tibees said. Nice video!!!
I spent 5 years at University. I never graduated. I have since learned more than at University from the internet and from engaging lectures from intelligent people as yourself.
HERE IN HOLLAND. THERE ARE MANY WHO WANT TO GO. BUT THERE IS NOT PLACE FOR EVERYBODY. SO THEY GET CHOSEN. AND IF YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES. FOR SOME PERSONS ARE SO DOWN. THE MIGHT GO CRAZY....
I guess isn't a waste of time because it gives to you many experiences that never will come again and you learn so much about you. I think is personally option
One positive thing about university is the sense of community that it gives you. Sometimes it is nice and makes life a little bit easier to know that the rest of your class is struggling with the same thing that you are. Studying on your own is hard and requires a lot of self-discipline, especially if you don't know where to begin. In that sense, I feel uni programs provide a path. Experienced people from the field have come together and constructed a program with courses given in a certain order so that you may learn as optimally as possible (or so I hope). It can be hard to figure out in what order you should learn things as a complete beginner.
Great video. I agree with the point of universities realizing or needing to realize they may need to change their business models a bit to give people a reason to keep attending. The only reason so many people still go to university, at least here in the US, is because the system practically locks you into that, unless you want to take a risk and be moderately miserable working a regular full time job the rest of your life. If you want a good paying, high-level rewarding job, chances are you'll need a degree to show you have what it takes to be qualified for that position. I get it, I really do, but that's somewhat starting to change and I hope it continues to do so.
Thank you for this video! I will be graduating high school soon (yay!) and I've been trying to decide whether or not I would like to go to university. At my school it seems like most people generally expect that most students (especially ones interested in STEM subjects) will go to university. (Probably) Because of this there are few resources out there with information on options other than university and there seems to be little discussion of some of the more nuanced values of university. Like how you mentioned that university allowed you to get a better understanding of academia and how there's a lot of other skills in becoming a part of extracurriculars and learning alongside others. That was interesting to hear, especially from someone who has gone to university. Because I live in the U.S. and I don't know if I'm ready to live in a new country yet, university would likely be pretty expensive for me. I also have some ADHD and anxiety stuff so I have found that I learn much better with online resources (as I can do things like pause videos and go back and re-watch something, and I can work at my own pace like you mentioned). At the same time though I understand there are a lot of other things like the social connections and skills regarding this that I would learn at university. Although I have been wondering if there are other ways to get these skills from things like meetup groups and other things like that to be able to get these social connections and skills. But there's a lot of interesting things to consider. This video has been interesting to hear for me trying to make my decision. Thank you so much for your videos!
Sara J there are STEM careers you can access through technical school training. In a lot of states you can complete tech school in 1-2 years with no debt. I think healthcare technology is a growing field that pays well. Robotics also.
@@frzstat That's true! I have heard of technical schools but I haven't actually given them much thought before. In the past I've only usually heard of them for things like plumbing, but it sounds like there's probably a lot of various options. I'll have to look into them more!
The first two years. At least at JMU. There is like the first year requirements. General Education classes. The last two years are like Capstone projects and group based. I looked at the curriculum for a lot of majors and there are overlaps. And to be honest. It is a waste of money. Any public library provides the same tools. Books at a dollar a piece. Work is not bad either. Anyone can begin on working on their portfolio from there and save money for university. Side note. There is inflation with college and university and it is not worth it. Take it from someone who went being poorly advised. Even with community college(s). It is a certain amount of money per credit. And even looking at those cost(s) One class is equivalent to a week's paycheck from Safeway. A week's paycheck at Safeway is like 20 - 22 hour weeks, part time that is.
Thank you sis. ❤️ I am not an university graduate but will recommend this video to all of ❤️my friends and acquaintances who are in university or thinking about getting into a university or or even people that are already in uni.
The best thing about university is building friendships and connections with as much people as possible. This will potentially help you throughout your whole career. Other than that, you might as well fail especially if you’re not planning to work under anybody afterwards 😂
I'd say for Math it is. At least in my experience. Math builds up such that tiny gaps in knowledge become gaping holes further down the road. You don't have luxury of time needed to find and cement over these potholes because your teachers need to stick to _their_ schedules. *Big Thank You* to Tibees for filling those potholes for me!
@DolphinsWIthIgloos They should dedicate 1 entire year on stack over flow tho and not just throw books blindly that you wont even understand because the professor don't care to explain. At least the stack is useful for your work development.
Quote from Emerson: “The things taught in schools and colleges are not an education, but the means to an education.” You bring up very good questions regarding the value of university education in general. We have been led to believe that student loan debt is "good debt," as it should lead to a better life (more satisfaction in work, better remuneration, etc.). With the skyrocketing increase in tuition cost and with the availability of much less expensive options for acquiring knowledge and work skills (e.g. edX, coursera, udacity, udemy), however, the questions you bring up could not be more relevant and important. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and for inviting people to think critically about education. I think that you are spot on in regards to being an actively engaged learner regardless of your learning path. I also think that it is important to have some vision as to how one's education will help one move along a trajectory to something better. So many students are taking on debt only to come out on the other side with a degree that offers limited opportunities (think art history or sociology). Thank you!
I enjoyed my time in university, however one of the problems was that there was little time for extra curricular activities. I took Engineering Physics, and the course load left little time for pursuing those other things. One of the reasons for that was this misguided idea (at least in my opinion) that they also had to make us "well-rounded". The so called "electives" (which were seldom truly elective) took up unnecessary time, which could have been used to pursue those things that were really are of interest. The impression I get, is that it was much different in the 1960's and earlier. It wasn't until I did my Masters Degree, that I could do some of those extra curricular things without sacrificing my marks. Not sure if that is the same today as it was 25 years ago, I hope not, but I doubt it.
I speak to older people. So to make a point. A 4 year degree would costs like 10 k. Now a year is like 20 k I worked at a Safeway for a couple of months. Part time and at 20 - 22 hours a week. I saw relatively $1000. Now how can I afford a college or university education with that ? Even when looking at a community college. It is dollars per credit. So I probably would not even be able to afford a class at a community college even after a week's check.
Niall Curran he has a podcast, a couple shows, various movies, and is a often a guest on other podcasts and shows (such as late night shows). He should be doing pretty well for now.
@@Alien--eh2yh he's doing pretty well for himself copying the legend that was Carl Sagan. Scientists generally don't have a personality for obvious reasons, no time to develop one. He's a true blood scientist that has zero personality. There's better out there, and not Brian Cox either 😉
repeatedly he's publicly challenged Elon Musk with: "only a bloated, $18 billion per year welfare bureaucracy like NASA can go to space; you are a namby pamby manlet who will blow up playing with your little rockets," only to be made a fool and then a bigger fool
After 1 semester in college I changed to tech school and studied refrigeration/heating/air conditioning. I paid for everything in advance and never had student debt. Over the years I have taken many college courses and have the equivalent of an engineering degree - drawing a salary the entire time and never having debt. I have traveled the USA and visited/worked in all but 4 states (plus Canada!) I know my experience is non-typical but we should have more work/study programs for young people. Thanks Toby! :)
As a passive learner, I have to say, I wish I wasn't. Up until my very first college lecture I got by fine with just listening to the instructors. God I'm irresponsible.
For me a university education in India and the USA helped a lot. It was not just an information gathering exercise but an opportunity to learn how to think analytically and how to recognize and be open to different view points.Also if we don't meet the kinds of people who are way ahead of us in terms of capabilities we tend to set very low bars for ourselves. The exposure I got to the world I don't think I would have gotten otherwise.
University is not for smart people, it's for people who are well adjusted. There is a big difference. People with sharp cutting creative intelligence will feel out of place among the good looking rich unaffected crowds that you find at universities.
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I'm currently at the end of my 3rd year in undergrad in a Japanese university. I spent the past years in labs, libraries, and at home trying to find "my passion", learning about and coding things like reinforcement learning, complex systems, etc., with little to no sleep (2~4 hours on average per semester; not impressive, but it still hurts). I am currently at a point where I have had this depression and anxiety thing that I have been getting treated for in a mental clinic for a year, and I basically hate everything and don't really care about the things that intrigued me when I was in freshman. I'm even planning to take a medical break next semester, which would prolong my graduation. It doesn't help that my grades have dropped significantly during the past few years and that I'm aiming to go get masters as well. Is university a waste of time? Honestly, I don't really care if it is. I'm already in too deep lol. Apologies for my selfishness. As you have stated in the video, Toby, it would depend on how much effort the student is willing to put into their academic life. In my case, it definitely taught me how to push myself even further to do some work, but I probably won't be able to maintain nor invoke that kind of energy again. But I have seen acquaintances around me starting from having much difficulty programming or understanding mathematic topics becoming really competent at those subjects. I guess only time will tell....
@@e.f.3703 "I realized that basing that choice off of interest was a terrible decision, because interest is a fickle and subjective thing; if that's all you've got, when things get too stressful or turn out to be different from what you expected, you've got nothing" I agree with that to a certain point, but I would argue that ignoring your interest can also become stressful over time. That was actually my case. I sort of realized that the thing that I was doing in the lab wasn't what I was truly interested at the core, and I was merely following the demand of the lab. But you still have a point. I don't think I've experienced that type of burnout, yet. Honestly, I'm not really sure what to do.....lol, because I was sort of planning to experiment with stuff that I've always wanted to make during the break. But listening to your story, I have a feeling that I should reconsider my choices. Hmmm....
A waste of money is yes. Time is disputable. I have been through that system and it is not worth it. Maybe if you have rich parents or you yourself is rich and can pay for it, but for an average person making 10 k - 20 k a year on the lower end of earnings. These decisions are more difficult. Psychologically that is. I can give you an example from my own experience(s). I worked at a Safeway for a couple of months at 7 an hour. A little more. But not 8 dollars an hour and made relatively $1000. I was at university and my Calculus textbook was like $250 without tax. With $1000, you can probably purchase a car. In terms of economics. It is a huge waste of money and a big scam. Again I am not you, but strictly speaking of my own experiences. There is also the debt trap and debt enslavement, which they do not talk to you nor tell you about. And I would like to point out that any public library has books which anyone can pick up and start reading and learn just as much from, if not more. Books at the public library are a dollar a piece. So in terms of economics. Which is best ? The thousands of dollars spent on a degree ? Which most jobs do not require or the dollar or two investment at a local library, knowing you will learn the same thing ? Work is also an option and anyone starting of would be trained. Have to apply first and get an interview. And even as it relates to jobs. There is always the possibility of being rejected. They also don't tell you that you will be harrassed to make monthly payments. And even as I entered repayment. There is still one thing that I don't understand. Who are you paying back ? I am guessing the government. Not the school directly ? Right ? Side note. A magnetic resonance image or scanning is no more than $500.
Nice video, if anything I've found university to be stifling to my curiosity, I find many lecturers (not all) are too busy/ not interested enough to do more than the bare minimum required and will often avoid questions if at all possible, perhaps I've just been unlucky. Also, for many modules disenfranchised postgrads are used as fodder so the lecturers can spend their time doing research instead. There doesn't seem to be any emphasis on inspiring students to expand their minds, instead it feels like a sausage factory where memorization is valued over understanding and critical thinking.
You forgot to mention the value of the free labs and tools that they give you for both research and learning. I think very rarely Uni is a waste of time but I also think that oneself has to spent a lot to get the most out of it as in the effort you put into it.
Free ? Who do you think payed for the equipment. The school from your tuition. And again. On university. It is nothing more than a debt trap. They do not tell you this. A least is the case for those who borrowed money. In loans that is. And the loans have high interests on them. And even if you do not finish, you are given a couple of months to find work and start paying those loans back. It is a business and these institutions are profiting from these students who may or may not know better. Until they get a little older and realize that they have had lied to. The public library or libraries offer the same content(s) at a dollar a piece and the information is the same. Anyone can go to a local public library, granted that he or she is able to walk and pick out what interests him or her. Now in terms of an economic view. Which is cheaper ? The thousands of dollars spent at a school or the dollar or two ? I am no economists, but anyone with some reasoning skills and common sense will and would point to the public libraries.
This video has been really helpful. Im in my final year of my master in physics and I only studied physics because of my passion for the subject. I did get involved alot in extracurricular which has made my time at university very enjoyable and memorable and I have made many connections. However I do feel now a little lost in terms of career choice but I will be taking sometime out to figure out my career. Thank you for this video.
As you say it is the whole experience that is important. My three children all went to University although I never did. It is clear from their experiences that it is the whole learning. living away from home, financial and personal responsibilities and social skills experienced that make going to University so special.
You can learn all that without a university. The only justifiable reason for being in an university today is research, apart from that yes, it is a waste o time and money when you can learn everything online these days
It should be a law that they need to provide this incite before taking students money, they are kind of a scam in ways. Way better ways to make money and set yourself up than going to uni.
4 THINGS 1. Recorded lectures. I got all my videos lectures, notes, HWs & exams burnt on HDs and available to me for life 2. What is required at your level and gives u benchmark. As MS I haven't come across anything on any platform that I wasn't taught at a US top 10 uni 3. where you stand wrt your peers 4. Ability to tell genuinity of knowledge and gradation
It depends on which academic field the University is under and which type of job the individual wants. I find that the more technical academic studies such as the medical field and such are extremely helpful in knowledge and firsthand experiences. Whereas, the more creative academic schools (art, music, dance, etc.) are basically useless. As you can easily find useful tips and tutorials on the internet.
I disagree. Culture is not knowledge. Knowledge is not information. Having free access to information is not new. There have been libraires for years, long before the internet, and still universities have an active role.
I did like this talk. Thanks. With many colleges starting to cost in excess of a couple hundred thousand dollars to graduate with a basic degree, alternatives will certainly emerge in the information age. A wise student who just wanted financial success could just take the money, invest it early, and retire to a life of fun and games. One thing that universities do that will be interesting to replace is "sorting". People get graded in competition and bell curves. The online course grades are really easy to fake-out. Employers have to use "reading" or other techniques to tell if on-line-only graduates are really of high aptitude and eagerness, or if they just used a mix of GHEGG and Alpha to get the marks.
I think this is really 2 questions. Is an average college worth it? And is a top tier university worth it? I think it is still the safer move to get a college education. A lot of businesses are run by an older generation that still looks to a college degrees rather than skill and results as extremely important indicators of a person's skill and credibility. Course quality is going to be hit or miss. Some classes will be worth it. Others will just increase your workload, destroy your confidence, and damage your mental health. In general, I think people should just take the easiest courses and get the bare minimum for their major. If you're really passionate about anything look for research opportunities in the field and do your own independent projects. It's also important to focus on the social aspect of college. Not just parties, but extracurricular clubs can help you build lifelong relationships. I went to Johns Hopkins in the US for undergrad. It's a school famous for its medical school and research achievements. I would say do all the things you would for a normal college plus some nuances. On the negative side, I don't think course quality goes up by a whole lot. You're going to have some real hit or misses. On the positive side, the door opens for many more professional networking opportunities. I really squandered my opportunities, but I've known people who have begun startups with doctors, begun experiments by networking with PIs (Primary Investigators), coauthored scientific papers, and more.
The phrase "with networking, it's not what you know but who you know" means that in the professional world, having connections and relationships with people can be more valuable than just possessing technical knowledge alone, especially when seeking jobs or opportunities in college; essentially, your network can open doors to new possibilities even if you might not have all the required skills yet. Key points about this saying: Importance of connections: Building relationships with professors, alumni, industry professionals, and peers can lead to valuable job leads, recommendations, and insider information about career paths. Beyond just skills: While technical skills are crucial, having a network can help you access opportunities you might not otherwise find on your own. College as a prime networking time: College provides a unique environment to build a strong network early in your career, with easier access to potential mentors and connections.
Knowledge is very important. Tomorrow someone may become rich or poor but no one cannot take his knowledge from him. Some people success from universities and others get success from different way. You seem like a very smart person, reach your full potential Tibees.
Not only the net, books too! A person with interest to know more and more is, in my opinion, more capable than someone with a degree with absolutely no knowledge about general stuff that just studied in university because they were told to.
University is necessary to do many jobs. So if you want a certain job you need a degree. However due to the amount of university students it makes getting those jobs next to impossible
I found it to be quite shocking for professors to spend so much time selling their ideas to get funding. Our professor did some teaching, rarely ever visited the labs (his PhDs might see him for a few minutes every few months, until progress report time when they might get 15 minutes) and spent so much time on the phone to get funding it was unbelievable. There is like this awful battle to get funding. So a significant part of the role for academics (leading teams of PhD students) is as a salesperson. When university has to sell itself as think of the extracurricular activities something fishy is happening. My cousin learning to be a builder rarely had time to think of extracurricular activities. There was always too much work for him and he would still have to fit trade school in 1 or 2 days a week. It would be very entertaining for the builders to encourage extracurricular activities and not bother with the work at hand or even do the extracurricular activity while working (singing, dancing, gymnastics etc). Another cousin learning to be a chef also had problems fitting in extracurricular activities, way too much work, and the head chef did not encourage it. It is so interesting for the trades to encourage focus and university marketing at the undergraduate level to divert time away from the degree.
Hi, I went to university to gain qualifications in order to get a better job, I am 57 and it was a bit of a nightmare as nobody wanted to be involved with me due to my age This was in the uk, the biggest problem is it was full of spoiled rich kids and it was harder studying on my own, being working class I was rejected by most due to the class system which is rife in the uk, also I was hoping to overcome the age discrimination issue which exists in the employment market in the uk by becoming more than an expert, having over 35 years of industry experience, I now feel rejected and I am now pursuing other interests. And that cost me £27,000.
They do not tell you about the debt trap. They make it seem like it is this necessary thing. It is not. I read a lot of job applications online and no more than a high school level of education is required. Nor do they tell you that you will be harrassed to make monthly payments. Public library or libraries are also accessible and books are a dollar a piece. In terms of economics, which sounds more reasonable ? The thousands of dollars at an institution or the dollar you spent at the public library ?
I've had a similar experience to yours, but at a much earlier time. While it's true that knowladge was already available online back then, it wasn't as wide spread or easily accessible as it is today. Still, attending university was a great value for me because you get a more structured view of the basics of the fields you're studying, even though most of it was a bit dated. But ultimately study is an individual and life long endeavor and the only way you'll get somewhere is by putting in the work yourself. Ultimately I ended up not finishing my bachelor's degree, but I've met people with master's degrees and even a few with PhD who struggle to perform in the field and this is because they stooped learning.
@@connorbnelson the problem is that the competition in india is so much that you can't go back once you drop, it's just too hard. Admist all that competition either you are VERY sure and confident in your decision or you stay where you are and mould yourself as your surrounding.
iam in my first year and listening to this has given me a deeper sense of what I should get the most out of my university experience that i would have inevitably realized when i get close to finishing my degree. its an eye-opener and this actually should be listened by everyone who are set on pursuing a college degree and know how to actually "game" your university experience now that just like tibees said, isnt like before when internet hadnt taken the throne in possessing all the information in this world.
Such an interesting channel. She is just so Frank and honest about things that defies my understanding of how come such good a person is so much awesome enough to share her experience for others to learn from by absorbing her .
The same case can probably be made of the United States and be correct. Now just generalize it for the whole world. I mean, how much different do you think other places are ?
I tend to value more the little things I learn from classes that are not necessarily related to the topic being taught. there's a certain randomness to them that you won't get from online courses, they also stick around in your brain longer than the lesson lol
I'm an engineering student and I'm a passive learner, maybe because I'm not really interested in engineering, but was forced to study it by my family...
For me personally, I’m not the best at teaching myself material. One if my favorite things as an undergrad Mechanical Engineering student and now a masters student is all the fun hands on projects we get to do.
@@ivan5844 I know university was a waste of time for me and especially now for many other people with online zoom meetings that are an absolute joke of tuition.
As an university teacher once told me, "something's only useless because you don't understand it". If you think university is unnecessary, it has more to do with your inability to make the most out of it rather than it being actually desnecessary.
I love the old world Plato's Academy philosophical style of colloquial discourse, I hate the modern draconian student loan debt and attempts at thought indoctrination. I also love your shirt!
I did my mechanical engineering in India about 20 yrs back. During the course, I realized that I am learning something which has no value as far as job market is considered. So I trained myself in computer programming. In 2005, I got a job as software developer which required domain knowledge in mechanical stream and programming skills. On basis of that skills I came to US in 2008. To be able to become successful in job market, you always have to learn something which no university in the world teaches.
At university, I spent almost all of my time as an undergrad getting involved in research projects and such. My marks suffered a lot due to neglect :-( but it gave me a lot of experience and left me connected with a huge network of future job opportunities (when the post grads I was working with moved off into the world).
@@rob6129 In a science/engineering field, not that hard. Step 1: become familiar with the research which is going on in your school and get acquainted with the areas which interest you most. 2: be a (friendly) pest. Talk to the researchers about what they are doing, listen to them. They are usually passionate about what they are doing and more than willing to talk about it... 3. Be helpful and friendly - help them put stuff away while they talk. Look at what they are doing and be interested and helpful in small ways (but don't be crazy and start reorganizing their work or taking over or anything). 4. Often they just like having people take an interest in their stuff and listen to their problems - they are not expecting solutions from you (but often explaining things clearly to somebody helps them to organise their thinking). Importantly - be willing to take on small menial jobs for little or no pay (it is about experience, not money) Eventually, proper paying jobs will come along and you will be first choice. In all but my first year of Uni, I had paying jobs within the school (better than flipping burgers) - but like I originally said, it did take a lot of focus from my studies. I think in all, I was better off - but I do wish I had put a bit more effort into my coursework... Finally - when the researchers grow up and move into industry, you will often cross paths with these people and their friends/colleagues. When you are looking to join an organisation, a good word from somebody who is already working there is worth so much more than any referee.
@@rob6129 they only accept the "top" students. Those who make As and Bs on selective classes. I tried and because I was a C student in college or university. I was unable to immerse in research with the professors.
@@perrybrown4985 the myth of the good paying jobs that school tells people since high school and find yourself working at a Safeway. Not saying Safeway is bad. Jobs are jobs and anyone gets training first, but at 7 dollars an hour. Not even 8.
The cost of university is increasing exponentially without a corresponding increase in quality. Economically speaking it just doesn't make any sense to go there.
I believe it is valuable. School is helping me get the extra help and resources I need to become an engineer. It is also helping me meet a qualification to get my dream job. I agree 100% about the connections with professors. I applied for a scholarship and I needed a recommendation letter. It was awkward to ask my professor for one as she didn't really know me to recommend me... so make connections!
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I guess we agree that, whether time spent at university is a waste of time or not, ultimately depends on what kind of life you want to pursue and whether your university/degree is an appropriate platform to get you there. But these are questions that are extremely hard, especially for our younger selves, to have enough insight to answer and decide.
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It's a good topic to discuss if the university is a waste of time or not. The only thing I know the best teacher is teacher, not an artificial intelligence...
I think the best way to approach college is to use that University for your benefit. Actually that's a good way to approach many things in life. Know what you want to do then utilize the resources available at a University to make that happen. If you aren't clear on what your direction is, you could wind up with a degree that is not applicable or beneficial to you. I think Tibees is right, be proactive and get what you want not the other way around.
What do you think, yes or no?
Yup
I spent 3 years and all went wrong, but It´s worth if you study what you like and if you are prepared also psycologially
No
i wasn't smart in the ways of education to get to uni so i'll say Yes
Yes
Is university a waste of time ?
Ultimately : No
Can time be wasted on university ?
Ultimately : Yes
It is certainly a waste of time for Bubbles (the chimp) to go to university.
However I can waste my time with Choupette (Karl's Feline) and still be worth it. ☕😗
Thiss
I liked so much your answer, most of all things will depend of you...
If you go to University to gain work experience and learn about workplaces as much as possible, then it is not a waste of time.
If you go to have a theoretical backgrounds, then yes it could be a waste of time considering the free online resources.
ART STUDENTS could all agree that art degree is WORTHLESS to have a carrer in art
This really helped me realize that being a passive student is the real waste of time. Impressive video Thank you Tibees.
This.
This.
This comment should be the top comment.
Hii wherecare you from
Im in the exam session of my first semester. I've noticed that studying alone is not as efficient and staying at the uni with fellow students until late is the best way to learn. You just have to figure out who these people are. I'll certainly collaborate more even during weekly courseload
My motto is: ”Don’t let school get in the way of a good education.”
agree😂
Okay, Mark Twain. Very original
Brilliant!
These words are so powerful, it's too much power for someone
@@tear728 Right? I hate it when people do that.
Yes, but actually - No.
YES - cause of almost 99% of my knowledge I got from books, from internet and by practice.
NO - cause Without University degree I can't get work permit.
Thats much pretty it.
Same for me
Basically...
1. Are you trying to become an employer?
--> Don't go to university
2. Do you want to be a teacher, engineer, doctor, lawyer, or scientist?
--> Go to university
3. A normal job that need a bit of skill
--> Go to community college
same😂
@@Patrickhh69 Before I became an employer, I have to be an employee.
Every 60 seconds in The University, a whole minute passes
wery well noticed... did you learn this on university courses??
*BrOOoOoO that’s so deep so smart brrooooooooo wtf a whole minute DOES pass!!11,,1!!*
the...
And togheter we can stop this
Well you learn this in someone else comment section and then paste here.
I like that this video presents a very well-considered argument, and highlights the nuances of the discussion rather than just giving a blanket 'yes' or 'no'. Personally, I did an IT degree and now work in a completely different field, so the most valuable lessons I learnt at uni probably involved 'soft' skills (eg. teamwork and collaboration) rather than the actual content of my course.
HandyAndy Tech tips
really?
Yeahp for an introvert like me, developing soft skills was crucial for me on a personal level.
Soft skills can be quickly developed for much cheaper through social events in Meetup groups and volunteering opportunities.
I’ve taught for 15 years at a University (in the UK) and I agree. Education and knowledge are not the same thing. A passive participant ends up with a collection of information, which means nothing if they don’t know how to use it, or have any idea how to communicate it.
Oh man I'm reading that title while I need to learn for an exam on Monday
same
@Karan uhhhhhhhhhh WHAT
@Karan bruh
u german?
In the eighties when i was a university student, a professor told me a degree was worth nothing once you've earned it but worth everything when you haven't. He was right. No one today cares what i did in university yet i wouldn't trade my university experience for anything.
Why I went to college: Get a piece of paper that I was told would make me more money down the road. (Then realize that was a lie.)
And lots of folks are now burning that piece of paper for what it's worth. Might be okay if you run out of toilet paper.
It depends on the course huh?
Used to be true, but that changed years ago. I thought online was a joke at first but quickly saw the benefits. Predatory lending weights down a couple of generations now. Prices are insane. Public education likely won't keep up with what it needs to best serve the needs of students, it never has. Lots of problems, consider carefully, decades of your future are at stake. Good topic.
BTW, I heard that college loan was considered a 'goog kind of debt'. Is this true and if so was it the loan company and/or school promoting it. Seems corrupt and actionable.
What degree?
If I didn’t have my cs degree, Canada wouldn’t let me emigrate and I’d be making 4x less money. So it was worth it, I don’t care if I learned a lot or not so much
It's valuable if you choose the field you're passionate about, professors and other students at university might help you shape up your future and set you on the right track, through giving valuable advice and getting to learn stuff that you wouldn’t find elsewhere.
Fun fact:- my best friend who didn't go to school or college won a quiz competition against top universities students from my state. He spent all of his time in the library. I feel so proud of him :)
😌
You literally have the best voice on TH-cam. I could listen to you talk about anything for days.
Stay in School! For the love of Pete!
I'm 55. Not having a college degree has been an extreme hit on my lifelong financial earnings. I earned between 25% to 50% of my peers. And while money isn't everything, the impact was that I never had any savings, and I never had health insurance until my late 30s, and my financial contributions to Social Security were so low that, were I to retire on that I would spend my senior years in poverty.
I have watched the life-outcomes of my peers, some of whom attended university and some who did not. The career and wealth results are not fundamentally predicted by that factor. Race and gender played big roles, personality, drugs, chance, these also mattered. But in my small observations - and certainly my own life - having a college degree was the largest predictive factor in financial stability. And of course, in the US, there are tons of statistics to back this up. Not only do incomes lag, but career advancement is heavily stymied - people are constantly promoted to leadership above you.
I could not attend university in my teens and 20s primarily due to the cost, which in the1980s was a small fraction of the cost for most American universities today.
I was a self-taught computer programmer back in the 1990s, and eventually made a good income. But the lack of a degree always held me back from landing jobs. So the degree thing is enormous.
So now I am 10 weeks away from completing my undergraduate degree in CS. And I can say something about being a life-long learner vs. studying in school.
Aside from the credential, which I cannot stress enough is a profound difference in probable life outcomes, at least here in the US, there is the obvious goal of education. In my experience, an accredited university education provides a standard of experiences and demands that are essentially not available without university. The curriculum is a core issue. We will always be self-learners, but in doing so we are seldom exposed to the depth of detail found in university study. Guidance is crucial. Even with decades in the field, I did not known what computer science topics were important to know beyond what my jobs and curiosity. Without those, it is hardly science at all.
I have always been very self motivated, and it's true that self-learning is vastly different today with the Internet. But TH-cam's recommendation algorithm is designed to maximize user clicks, eyeballs, and TH-cam's profits. They are not a substitution for a legitimate curriculum designed by educational leaders in their field. And obviously, the discussion forums of the comments section is generally a minefield of bots and trolls.
Finally, the question about whether university is a waste of time is presented as a personal choice: will you personally benefit most from university or not? And while that's a hugely important question, there's an even bigger question it provokes. What are the consequences to society if people reject university? This is like the herd-immunity issue in the vaccination debate.There are a million ways to improve the university system - and I am a constant proponent of no-bullshit criticism of the modern university system's failures - but the thing driving virtually all major advancement in every advanced field is the university system, and mass popular participation in it. Are doctors perfect? Certainly not. Do doctors mess up all the time. Sure. Do I want a doctor without a degree? No fucking way. An attorney? No. A structural engineer? Nope. A pilot? No.
The purpose of certification and accreditation regimes is to promote the social good of identifiable qualification and expertise in a field. Sure there are problems. Sure, some tiny fraction people will not individually benefit from a university education. But statistics on the economic consequences of a college degree are unambiguous. And the chances are - you and I, individually are normal and will fall into the normal distribution of consequences.
Much appreciated.
Probably the best commenti I read in a while
You are great sir
Thank you sir I admire your ability to pickup studying again. It was good to read about your perspective as a senior on whether university is beneficial.
Super Bro
The social aspect is important, great video on the topic!
Depends on the university and the major. In my personal experience, in today's world, university is a BIG waste of time, its become more of a business rather than an actual education center.
And money as well. Time is disputable, but money I can surely agree with that.
I think yours is the best, most practical, experienced and useful advice/opinion
"A lecture is the process of transferring the professor's notes to the students' notes without them passing through the minds of either."
Great advice! Unfortunately because people tend to be so young when they go, they are often too shy to ask questions in lectures and seminars. I was pretty passive in my first 3 years, but I have to say that, even though I could have technically learned everything from a book, I certainly wouldn't have; at least not in 4 years, so the pacing was very valuable to me.
That art history class I was had to take sure was.
Yes.
Hey dude wassup
English?
Absolute garbage. You're just going to forget it anyway.
Honestly I appreciate being able to learn about the humanities and arts as well as science
As a non-university graduate (just a local college 2 year degree), I think you're pretty much spot on all the way. For me it's going to again become a question as eventually my daughter will need to figure out what she will want to do. I'm really not sure what we're going to do.
University education + being a curious person and self-studying = Perfect combo.
Why not just learning yourself? How does it help you exactly other than fooling boomers into thiking you're an expert?
@ivankontra3446 not all of us have that discipline. School keeps you on track. And being able to ask questions saves tons of time. Plus having proof you understand concepts is good. MOST OF ALL , sometimes in a field, you don't know what you don't know.
In my opinion, it is certainly true that you can basically get almost all the information you need for you to self study however there are times when you lose motivation to study. For instance, I am an undergraduate physics student and there were times where I was not getting the concept in some part in physics and I was not doing well, I was in dilema. However I reached out to my friends who are also studying physics and they helped me out so much that I gained momentum again to keep on going.
To conclude, I think it is worth the money if you really want to study along with the best people who also want to study just as much as you do. Basically what tibees said. Nice video!!!
I spent 5 years at University. I never graduated. I have since learned more than at University from the internet and from engaging lectures from intelligent people as yourself.
HERE IN HOLLAND. THERE ARE MANY WHO WANT TO GO. BUT THERE IS NOT PLACE FOR EVERYBODY. SO THEY GET CHOSEN. AND IF YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES. FOR SOME PERSONS ARE SO DOWN. THE MIGHT GO CRAZY....
I guess isn't a waste of time because it gives to you many experiences that never will come again and you learn so much about you. I think is personally option
One positive thing about university is the sense of community that it gives you. Sometimes it is nice and makes life a little bit easier to know that the rest of your class is struggling with the same thing that you are. Studying on your own is hard and requires a lot of self-discipline, especially if you don't know where to begin. In that sense, I feel uni programs provide a path. Experienced people from the field have come together and constructed a program with courses given in a certain order so that you may learn as optimally as possible (or so I hope). It can be hard to figure out in what order you should learn things as a complete beginner.
"A Diploma doesn't make a man, a man makes the diploma "
Wtf
Eric Hrahsel are you confused?
“It is not titles that honour men, but men that honour titles.”
― Niccolò Machiavelli
you need a diploma for some jobs, no way around it.
@@docmadhattan 👍🏿
Great video. I agree with the point of universities realizing or needing to realize they may need to change their business models a bit to give people a reason to keep attending. The only reason so many people still go to university, at least here in the US, is because the system practically locks you into that, unless you want to take a risk and be moderately miserable working a regular full time job the rest of your life. If you want a good paying, high-level rewarding job, chances are you'll need a degree to show you have what it takes to be qualified for that position. I get it, I really do, but that's somewhat starting to change and I hope it continues to do so.
Thank you for this video! I will be graduating high school soon (yay!) and I've been trying to decide whether or not I would like to go to university. At my school it seems like most people generally expect that most students (especially ones interested in STEM subjects) will go to university. (Probably) Because of this there are few resources out there with information on options other than university and there seems to be little discussion of some of the more nuanced values of university. Like how you mentioned that university allowed you to get a better understanding of academia and how there's a lot of other skills in becoming a part of extracurriculars and learning alongside others. That was interesting to hear, especially from someone who has gone to university.
Because I live in the U.S. and I don't know if I'm ready to live in a new country yet, university would likely be pretty expensive for me. I also have some ADHD and anxiety stuff so I have found that I learn much better with online resources (as I can do things like pause videos and go back and re-watch something, and I can work at my own pace like you mentioned). At the same time though I understand there are a lot of other things like the social connections and skills regarding this that I would learn at university. Although I have been wondering if there are other ways to get these skills from things like meetup groups and other things like that to be able to get these social connections and skills. But there's a lot of interesting things to consider. This video has been interesting to hear for me trying to make my decision.
Thank you so much for your videos!
Sara J there are STEM careers you can access through technical school training. In a lot of states you can complete tech school in 1-2 years with no debt. I think healthcare technology is a growing field that pays well. Robotics also.
@@frzstat That's true! I have heard of technical schools but I haven't actually given them much thought before. In the past I've only usually heard of them for things like plumbing, but it sounds like there's probably a lot of various options. I'll have to look into them more!
The first two years. At least at JMU. There is like the first year requirements. General Education classes.
The last two years are like Capstone projects and group based. I looked at the curriculum for a lot of majors and there are overlaps.
And to be honest. It is a waste of money.
Any public library provides the same tools. Books at a dollar a piece.
Work is not bad either. Anyone can begin on working on their portfolio from there and save money for university.
Side note. There is inflation with college and university and it is not worth it. Take it from someone who went being poorly advised.
Even with community college(s). It is a certain amount of money per credit. And even looking at those cost(s)
One class is equivalent to a week's paycheck from Safeway.
A week's paycheck at Safeway is like 20 - 22 hour weeks, part time that is.
Thank you sis. ❤️ I am not an university graduate but will recommend this video to all of ❤️my friends and acquaintances who are in university or thinking about getting into a university or or even people that are already in uni.
The best thing about university is building friendships and connections with as much people as possible. This will potentially help you throughout your whole career. Other than that, you might as well fail especially if you’re not planning to work under anybody afterwards 😂
Your channel, was a true inspiration when I was in undergrad and studied Computer Science. I'll be more than happy to buy merchandise in the future.
For most people it will be.
We are in such a water shed with information availability/accessibility. No regrets. Keep learning:) t.y.
I'd say for Math it is. At least in my experience. Math builds up such that tiny gaps in knowledge become gaping holes further down the road. You don't have luxury of time needed to find and cement over these potholes because your teachers need to stick to _their_ schedules.
*Big Thank You* to Tibees for filling those potholes for me!
As you said in the video. Depends on the person and their goals. Greetings from Argentina!
I liked my university, it definitly wasnt a waste of time. I learned there a lot about CS.
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@DolphinsWIthIgloos They should dedicate 1 entire year on stack over flow tho and not just throw books blindly that you wont even understand because the professor don't care to explain. At least the stack is useful for your work development.
you didn't major in English grammar /spelling.
How about money ?
Quote from Emerson: “The things taught in schools and colleges are not an education, but the means to an education.” You bring up very good questions regarding the value of university education in general. We have been led to believe that student loan debt is "good debt," as it should lead to a better life (more satisfaction in work, better remuneration, etc.). With the skyrocketing increase in tuition cost and with the availability of much less expensive options for acquiring knowledge and work skills (e.g. edX, coursera, udacity, udemy), however, the questions you bring up could not be more relevant and important. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and for inviting people to think critically about education. I think that you are spot on in regards to being an actively engaged learner regardless of your learning path. I also think that it is important to have some vision as to how one's education will help one move along a trajectory to something better. So many students are taking on debt only to come out on the other side with a degree that offers limited opportunities (think art history or sociology). Thank you!
I enjoyed my time in university, however one of the problems was that there was little time for extra curricular activities. I took Engineering Physics, and the course load left little time for pursuing those other things. One of the reasons for that was this misguided idea (at least in my opinion) that they also had to make us "well-rounded". The so called "electives" (which were seldom truly elective) took up unnecessary time, which could have been used to pursue those things that were really are of interest. The impression I get, is that it was much different in the 1960's and earlier.
It wasn't until I did my Masters Degree, that I could do some of those extra curricular things without sacrificing my marks.
Not sure if that is the same today as it was 25 years ago, I hope not, but I doubt it.
I speak to older people.
So to make a point.
A 4 year degree would costs like 10 k.
Now a year is like 20 k
I worked at a Safeway for a couple of months. Part time and at 20 - 22 hours a week. I saw relatively $1000.
Now how can I afford a college or university education with that ?
Even when looking at a community college. It is dollars per credit. So I probably would not even be able to afford a class at a community college even after a week's check.
I appreciate when you share your thoughts 😁
If I had the money and time, I 'd be a scientist like Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Astro photographer..cool. You get paid for that? I don't think anybody should aspire to NDT. I think he's clutching at straws.
Niall Curran he has a podcast, a couple shows, various movies, and is a often a guest on other podcasts and shows (such as late night shows). He should be doing pretty well for now.
@@Alien--eh2yh he's doing pretty well for himself copying the legend that was Carl Sagan. Scientists generally don't have a personality for obvious reasons, no time to develop one. He's a true blood scientist that has zero personality. There's better out there, and not Brian Cox either 😉
Niall Curran that’s a very subjective and narrow point of view of the whole thing....it’d be nice if it was that simple wouldn’t it?
repeatedly he's publicly challenged Elon Musk with: "only a bloated, $18 billion per year welfare bureaucracy like NASA can go to space; you are a namby pamby manlet who will blow up playing with your little rockets," only to be made a fool and then a bigger fool
After 1 semester in college I changed to tech school and studied refrigeration/heating/air conditioning. I paid for everything in advance and never had student debt. Over the years I have taken many college courses and have the equivalent of an engineering degree - drawing a salary the entire time and never having debt. I have traveled the USA and visited/worked in all but 4 states (plus Canada!) I know my experience is non-typical but we should have more work/study programs for young people. Thanks Toby! :)
As a passive learner, I have to say, I wish I wasn't. Up until my very first college lecture I got by fine with just listening to the instructors.
God I'm irresponsible.
And are you still at uni ?
For me a university education in India and the USA helped a lot. It was not just an information gathering exercise but an opportunity to learn how to think analytically and how to recognize and be open to different view points.Also if we don't meet the kinds of people who are way ahead of us in terms of capabilities we tend to set very low bars for ourselves. The exposure I got to the world I don't think I would have gotten otherwise.
University is not for smart people, it's for people who are well adjusted. There is a big difference. People with sharp cutting creative intelligence will feel out of place among the good looking rich unaffected crowds that you find at universities.
Nowe nadanie dusz od Jezusa Chrystusa z Woli Boga będą czuć miłości w akceleracji podczas snu TO JEST 60 lat miłość w jeden sen ,dusze będą dawać możliwość regresji maużonków w czasoprzestrzeni wiele tysięcy lat wstecz aż do dzieciństwa maużonków będzie można się zobaczyć dziecmi i poczuć jak dzieci mimo wieku tysięcy lat bez starości .Dusze to będą kule o średnicy 80m z 5 pulsarami .Będzie można okazywać uczucia miłości innym gatunkom i Ludziom na odległość bez dotyku , oraz przenosić ciężary stazą
Otrzymać mogą duszę tylko ludzie w stanie Zero Myśli i tylko w stanie Zero Myśli GATUNKU LUDZKIEGO NADEJDZIE JEZUS CHRYSTUS NADAĆ DUSZĘ LUDZIOM Z WOLI MIŁOŚCI OD BOGA JEDYNEGO JAHWE
Akceleracja jest to zdarzenie podczas snu ludzkiego który pochodzi od Boga Dzieła Stwożenia imię przymiot Boga jest Jahwe.
Do Akceleracji dochodzi podczas snu człowieka będącego w Związku Maużeńskim lub przed poznaniem wybraniej Kobiety Życia lub Mężczyzny Życia Pary Ludzkiej . Akceleracja jest snem Maużonków w czasie której to Nocy Maużonkowie widzą się we Śnie i widzą i odczuwają swój Związek Maużeński Razem .Akceleracja Są to Uczucia Spustowe nagromadzone Żywotnością Pary w sobię uczuciami tymi Są Miłości w Jedności Duchowa i Fizyczna .Akceleracja Jest Doznaniem SCZYTOWYM SPÓSTOWYM CZŁOWIEKA PODCZAS KTÓREGO DOCHODZI DO ZEJŚCIA UCZUĆ NAGROMADZONYCH PRZEZ 60 LAT ŻYCIA MAUŻONKÓW SCHODZĄ PODCZAS AKCELERACJI NEUROPRZEKAŹNIKI MIŁOŚCI . UCZUCIA WAŻNOŚCI MIŁOŚĆ DO MAUŻONKÓW NAGROMADZONE W DUSZY LUDZKIEJ AKCELERACJA JEST FORMĄ ŻALU PRZEWIDYWANIA PRZYSZŁOŚCI ZWĄZKU .TOWAŻYSZY TEMU UCZUCIE ODCZUCIE CZASOPRZESTRZENI CAŁEGO ŻYCIA W CZYSTYM ZWIĄZKU MAUŻONKÓW. AKCELERACJĄ JEST *(60 LAT ŻYCIA W ŻALU MIŁOŚCI PARY LUDZKIEJ ).W AKCELETACJI NIE DOCHODZI DO ŻADNEGO BŁĘDU MAUŻONKÓW ....PO TYM PRZEŻYCIU CZŁOWIEK JEST NOWY W MIŁOŚCI ZAWSZE ..
Aby zrozumieć AKCELERACJĘ WYOBRAŹ SOBIĘ ŻE ŚMIEJESZ SIĘ DZISIAJ W 8h Za 60lat Życia w Miłości Jeności w maużeńskiej i jedności miłości z Bogiem człowieka...
Jest to Nie do OPISANIA I WYOBRAŻENIA ,,SKOK BANGE " .... KONIEC....
DUSZA LUDZKA OD BOGA JEDYNEGO JAHWE JAHWE
Dusza ludzka wygląda jakby BAŃKA MYDLANA O GRUBOŚCI 15cm i Średnicy 80m Płynie po Ziemi gdy Człowiek idzie odkształca się od Śnian i Powieżchni wewnątrz Średnicy Duszy Ludzkiej jest 5 KóL w Okolicy Brzucha człowieka 50cm OD brzucha Mają one średnicę około 25cm Pulsarów Życiodajnych. Dusza podczas zbliżenia ludzi przenosi Uczucia Bliskość Miłości pomiędzy ludźmi .Dusza Ludzka pozwala na Wyższą regenerację i kształtowanie Mózgu od Neurogenezy na którą też pozwala mieć obecnie.
Neurogenezę wolno mieć tylko pracując w Spokoju Jedności Miłości i Przetrwaniu w pierw innych Ludzi i Własnym obecnie...
Dusza Ludzka pozwala na okazywanie miłości gatunkąm zwieżat np ptactwa i owadów np :latających i strowanie uczuciam tych Gatunków naprzykład w Locie w Powietrzu...Duszą będzie można żócać naprzykład kamieniami w Powietrzu bez wysiłku...
Pużniej po Jezusie Chrystusie Bóg Jahwe da Gatunkowi Ludzkiemu dotyk miłości jedności z człowiekiem poprzez mięciutkie powietrze dające się odczuć jako dotyk Boga miłością człowiekowi. Pomiedzy wodą a powietrzem i duszą
Bóg powiedział że Żadnych
Ludzkich Sądów. Bo wiedzą więcej na kartce nie decydujesz o życiu Ludzkim jako np:lepsza lepszy...
Będzie to jedna możliwości przebywania z Aniołem Boga Nauczycielem Jezusem Chrystusem nie jest mnieszy od Galaktyki przyjdzie w Przeistoczeniu .
Całość Działa Stwożenia Człowieka Bóg nie wyjawi Człowiekowi ...
Regresja w Czasoprzestrzeni jest formą czystej bliskości jedności miłości w jaźni w świadomości ludzkiej w czasie dnia Regresja jest jawie jest cofnieciem czasu Człowieka Pary Maużeńskiej wobec siebię razem nawzajem Regresja jest cofnieciem modulacji głosu ludzkiego do czasu dzieciństwa. Regresja jest wzualnym odmłodzeniem się bez stażenia w przyszłości i teraźniejszości MAUŻONKÓW w Miłości .
Czasoprzestrzeń w Regresji to bardzo szybko cofające się Wzualnie lata pary Ludzkiej. Regresja pozwala naprzykład widzieć się jako 1000 latkowie 19 latkowie 8 latkowie i słyszeć się jest możliwością przeżywania się MAUŻONKÓW bez utraty siebię nawzajem niezależnie od czyności dnia Regresja JEST naprzykład 40 latami życia ludzkiego w Czasoprzestrzeni w ciągu naprzykład 30minut. Regresja jest uzupełnieniem życia osobno MAUŻONKÓW.
Regresja w Czasoprzestrzeni jest inna od Regresji uczuć w psychologi która to zwyczajna Regresja pozwala wrócić do zaczątków z dzieciństwa kierowania pierwszej miłości wobec siebię nawzajem.
Dusze Ludzkie mają obecnie kolor Błękitny. Czerwony. Platynowy. Złoty. Szary
Jak i inne i zniszczone barwy czasem.
Mamy również ciała pokryte ciemną materią w kokonach z ciemnej materi niewidocznej odpowiedzialnej za stażenie i Śmierć Człowieka ciemna materia jest wrogą obcą Człowiekowi Formą niemocy przed Śmiercią.
Obecnie Żyjemy w Lustrze Upadku w Lustrze Upadku Świadomości Człowieka Gatunku Ludzkiego Możemy się uczyć z Lustra Upadku naszej Świadomości z Odzwierciedlenia naszych dialogów wewnętrznych w Lustrze Upadku które jest dzewiękim w punkt naszego dialogu wewnętrznego lub naprzykład kamykiem pod butem w punkt naszego dialogu wewnętrznego .Naszą drogą Życia.
Niemiecki. Angielski. Rosyjski. Polski.
Thank you again Tibees for your valuable insight and wisdom. Another awesome video.
I'm currently at the end of my 3rd year in undergrad in a Japanese university. I spent the past years in labs, libraries, and at home trying to find "my passion", learning about and coding things like reinforcement learning, complex systems, etc., with little to no sleep (2~4 hours on average per semester; not impressive, but it still hurts). I am currently at a point where I have had this depression and anxiety thing that I have been getting treated for in a mental clinic for a year, and I basically hate everything and don't really care about the things that intrigued me when I was in freshman. I'm even planning to take a medical break next semester, which would prolong my graduation. It doesn't help that my grades have dropped significantly during the past few years and that I'm aiming to go get masters as well.
Is university a waste of time? Honestly, I don't really care if it is. I'm already in too deep lol. Apologies for my selfishness.
As you have stated in the video, Toby, it would depend on how much effort the student is willing to put into their academic life. In my case, it definitely taught me how to push myself even further to do some work, but I probably won't be able to maintain nor invoke that kind of energy again. But I have seen acquaintances around me starting from having much difficulty programming or understanding mathematic topics becoming really competent at those subjects.
I guess only time will tell....
@@e.f.3703 "I realized that basing that choice off of interest was a terrible decision, because interest is a fickle and subjective thing; if that's all you've got, when things get too stressful or turn out to be different from what you expected, you've got nothing"
I agree with that to a certain point, but I would argue that ignoring your interest can also become stressful over time. That was actually my case. I sort of realized that the thing that I was doing in the lab wasn't what I was truly interested at the core, and I was merely following the demand of the lab.
But you still have a point. I don't think I've experienced that type of burnout, yet. Honestly, I'm not really sure what to do.....lol, because I was sort of planning to experiment with stuff that I've always wanted to make during the break. But listening to your story, I have a feeling that I should reconsider my choices. Hmmm....
A waste of money is yes. Time is disputable. I have been through that system and it is not worth it. Maybe if you have rich parents or you yourself is rich and can pay for it, but for an average person making 10 k - 20 k a year on the lower end of earnings.
These decisions are more difficult. Psychologically that is. I can give you an example from my own experience(s).
I worked at a Safeway for a couple of months at 7 an hour. A little more. But not 8 dollars an hour and made relatively $1000.
I was at university and my Calculus textbook was like $250 without tax.
With $1000, you can probably purchase a car.
In terms of economics. It is a huge waste of money and a big scam. Again I am not you, but strictly speaking of my own experiences.
There is also the debt trap and debt enslavement, which they do not talk to you nor tell you about.
And I would like to point out that any public library has books which anyone can pick up and start reading and learn just as much from, if not more.
Books at the public library are a dollar a piece. So in terms of economics. Which is best ? The thousands of dollars spent on a degree ? Which most jobs do not require or the dollar or two investment at a local library, knowing you will learn the same thing ?
Work is also an option and anyone starting of would be trained. Have to apply first and get an interview. And even as it relates to jobs. There is always the possibility of being rejected.
They also don't tell you that you will be harrassed to make monthly payments.
And even as I entered repayment. There is still one thing that I don't understand.
Who are you paying back ? I am guessing the government. Not the school directly ? Right ?
Side note. A magnetic resonance image or scanning is no more than $500.
Nice video, if anything I've found university to be stifling to my curiosity, I find many lecturers (not all) are too busy/ not interested enough to do more than the bare minimum required and will often avoid questions if at all possible, perhaps I've just been unlucky. Also, for many modules disenfranchised postgrads are used as fodder so the lecturers can spend their time doing research instead. There doesn't seem to be any emphasis on inspiring students to expand their minds, instead it feels like a sausage factory where memorization is valued over understanding and critical thinking.
You forgot to mention the value of the free labs and tools that they give you for both research and learning.
I think very rarely Uni is a waste of time but I also think that oneself has to spent a lot to get the most out of it as in the effort you put into it.
Free ? Who do you think payed for the equipment. The school from your tuition.
And again. On university. It is nothing more than a debt trap. They do not tell you this. A least is the case for those who borrowed money. In loans that is. And the loans have high interests on them.
And even if you do not finish, you are given a couple of months to find work and start paying those loans back. It is a business and these institutions are profiting from these students who may or may not know better. Until they get a little older and realize that they have had lied to.
The public library or libraries offer the same content(s) at a dollar a piece and the information is the same. Anyone can go to a local public library, granted that he or she is able to walk and pick out what interests him or her.
Now in terms of an economic view. Which is cheaper ? The thousands of dollars spent at a school or the dollar or two ?
I am no economists, but anyone with some reasoning skills and common sense will and would point to the public libraries.
This video has been really helpful. Im in my final year of my master in physics and I only studied physics because of my passion for the subject. I did get involved alot in extracurricular which has made my time at university very enjoyable and memorable and I have made many connections. However I do feel now a little lost in terms of career choice but I will be taking sometime out to figure out my career. Thank you for this video.
As you say it is the whole experience that is important. My three children all went to University although I never did. It is clear from their experiences that it is the whole learning. living away from home, financial and personal responsibilities and social skills experienced that make going to University so special.
First sense of "freedom" they feel as adults.. intrinsical value
You can learn all that without a university. The only justifiable reason for being in an university today is research, apart from that yes, it is a waste o time and money when you can learn everything online these days
It should be a law that they need to provide this incite before taking students money, they are kind of a scam in ways. Way better ways to make money and set yourself up than going to uni.
You make good friends, but It´s not as good as everyone thinks It will be.
4 THINGS 1. Recorded lectures. I got all my videos lectures, notes, HWs & exams burnt on HDs and available to me for life
2. What is required at your level and gives u benchmark. As MS I haven't come across anything on any platform that I wasn't taught at a US top 10 uni
3. where you stand wrt your peers
4. Ability to tell genuinity of knowledge and gradation
Networking and taking action is far more important
It depends on which academic field the University is under and which type of job the individual wants. I find that the more technical academic studies such as the medical field and such are extremely helpful in knowledge and firsthand experiences. Whereas, the more creative academic schools (art, music, dance, etc.) are basically useless. As you can easily find useful tips and tutorials on the internet.
I disagree. Culture is not knowledge. Knowledge is not information. Having free access to information is not new. There have been libraires for years, long before the internet, and still universities have an active role.
Nowadays there's much more than a few books available
I did like this talk. Thanks. With many colleges starting to cost in excess of a couple hundred thousand dollars to graduate with a basic degree, alternatives will certainly emerge in the information age. A wise student who just wanted financial success could just take the money, invest it early, and retire to a life of fun and games. One thing that universities do that will be interesting to replace is "sorting". People get graded in competition and bell curves. The online course grades are really easy to fake-out. Employers have to use "reading" or other techniques to tell if on-line-only graduates are really of high aptitude and eagerness, or if they just used a mix of GHEGG and Alpha to get the marks.
I think this is really 2 questions. Is an average college worth it? And is a top tier university worth it?
I think it is still the safer move to get a college education. A lot of businesses are run by an older generation that still looks to a college degrees rather than skill and results as extremely important indicators of a person's skill and credibility. Course quality is going to be hit or miss. Some classes will be worth it. Others will just increase your workload, destroy your confidence, and damage your mental health. In general, I think people should just take the easiest courses and get the bare minimum for their major. If you're really passionate about anything look for research opportunities in the field and do your own independent projects. It's also important to focus on the social aspect of college. Not just parties, but extracurricular clubs can help you build lifelong relationships.
I went to Johns Hopkins in the US for undergrad. It's a school famous for its medical school and research achievements. I would say do all the things you would for a normal college plus some nuances. On the negative side, I don't think course quality goes up by a whole lot. You're going to have some real hit or misses. On the positive side, the door opens for many more professional networking opportunities. I really squandered my opportunities, but I've known people who have begun startups with doctors, begun experiments by networking with PIs (Primary Investigators), coauthored scientific papers, and more.
Well represented argument. Thank you for the comment Ivan.
The phrase "with networking, it's not what you know but who you know" means that in the professional world, having connections and relationships with people can be more valuable than just possessing technical knowledge alone, especially when seeking jobs or opportunities in college; essentially, your network can open doors to new possibilities even if you might not have all the required skills yet.
Key points about this saying:
Importance of connections:
Building relationships with professors, alumni, industry professionals, and peers can lead to valuable job leads, recommendations, and insider information about career paths.
Beyond just skills:
While technical skills are crucial, having a network can help you access opportunities you might not otherwise find on your own.
College as a prime networking time:
College provides a unique environment to build a strong network early in your career, with easier access to potential mentors and connections.
Knowledge is very important. Tomorrow someone may become rich or poor but no one cannot take his knowledge from him. Some people success from universities and others get success from different way. You seem like a very smart person, reach your full potential Tibees.
Universities are for contatcs,use expensive equipament to investigate and the diploma, if you want to learn stuff, the net has all the info already.
I Agree.
Not only the net, books too! A person with interest to know more and more is, in my opinion, more capable than someone with a degree with absolutely no knowledge about general stuff that just studied in university because they were told to.
Did the expensive equipments come from the students' tuition ?
@@noxaeterna2 that is a distinction anyone can make.
University is necessary to do many jobs. So if you want a certain job you need a degree. However due to the amount of university students it makes getting those jobs next to impossible
I use this for ASMR. Yuh have the best voice
I found it to be quite shocking for professors to spend so much time selling their ideas to get funding. Our professor did some teaching, rarely ever visited the labs (his PhDs might see him for a few minutes every few months, until progress report time when they might get 15 minutes) and spent so much time on the phone to get funding it was unbelievable. There is like this awful battle to get funding. So a significant part of the role for academics (leading teams of PhD students) is as a salesperson.
When university has to sell itself as think of the extracurricular activities something fishy is happening. My cousin learning to be a builder rarely had time to think of extracurricular activities. There was always too much work for him and he would still have to fit trade school in 1 or 2 days a week. It would be very entertaining for the builders to encourage extracurricular activities and not bother with the work at hand or even do the extracurricular activity while working (singing, dancing, gymnastics etc). Another cousin learning to be a chef also had problems fitting in extracurricular activities, way too much work, and the head chef did not encourage it. It is so interesting for the trades to encourage focus and university marketing at the undergraduate level to divert time away from the degree.
I think you nailed it with the participation comment. The quality of your participation is what counts.
Hi, I went to university to gain qualifications in order to get a better job, I am 57 and it was a bit of a nightmare as nobody wanted to be involved with me due to my age This was in the uk, the biggest problem is it was full of spoiled rich kids and it was harder studying on my own, being working class I was rejected by most due to the class system which is rife in the uk, also I was hoping to overcome the age discrimination issue which exists in the employment market in the uk by becoming more than an expert, having over 35 years of industry experience, I now feel rejected and I am now pursuing other interests. And that cost me £27,000.
If you can go to college without going into debt then go. Otherwise, go to trade school or the school of hard knocks.
They do not tell you about the debt trap.
They make it seem like it is this necessary thing. It is not. I read a lot of job applications online and no more than a high school level of education is required.
Nor do they tell you that you will be harrassed to make monthly payments.
Public library or libraries are also accessible and books are a dollar a piece.
In terms of economics, which sounds more reasonable ? The thousands of dollars at an institution or the dollar you spent at the public library ?
I've had a similar experience to yours, but at a much earlier time. While it's true that knowladge was already available online back then, it wasn't as wide spread or easily accessible as it is today.
Still, attending university was a great value for me because you get a more structured view of the basics of the fields you're studying, even though most of it was a bit dated.
But ultimately study is an individual and life long endeavor and the only way you'll get somewhere is by putting in the work yourself. Ultimately I ended up not finishing my bachelor's degree, but I've met people with master's degrees and even a few with PhD who struggle to perform in the field and this is because they stooped learning.
Is it good to watch this, when I m in first year?
nope!
@@_thisconnected_ where are you from buddy?
@@connorbnelson the problem is that the competition in india is so much that you can't go back once you drop, it's just too hard.
Admist all that competition either you are VERY sure and confident in your decision or you stay where you are and mould yourself as your surrounding.
Yes, it is.
iam in my first year and listening to this has given me a deeper sense of what I should get the most out of my university experience that i would have inevitably realized when i get close to finishing my degree. its an eye-opener and this actually should be listened by everyone who are set on pursuing a college degree and know how to actually "game" your university experience now that just like tibees said, isnt like before when internet hadnt taken the throne in possessing all the information in this world.
Such an interesting channel.
She is just so Frank and honest about things that defies my understanding of how come such good a person is so much awesome enough to share her experience for others to learn from by absorbing her .
I live in Italy and only the 23% of all workers have a Bachelor's degree, Italy is the fourth economy of Europe.
The same case can probably be made of the United States and be correct.
Now just generalize it for the whole world. I mean, how much different do you think other places are ?
This way to speak, to interact world wide is a new born XXI, patience and creativity very important, new horizons, old perspectives.. hold the line!!
Come to Austria - University in Vienna just 20€ per semester 👌🏻
I tend to value more the little things I learn from classes that are not necessarily related to the topic being taught. there's a certain randomness to them that you won't get from online courses, they also stick around in your brain longer than the lesson lol
Monday I'm going to take my master's degree on physics (convocation)😁
I'm an engineering student and I'm a passive learner, maybe because I'm not really interested in engineering, but was forced to study it by my family...
This is my opinion ,but online education,especially for things like JEE is really pathetic and insufficient.
Not at all. There's quality material online as well.
For me personally, I’m not the best at teaching myself material. One if my favorite things as an undergrad Mechanical Engineering student and now a masters student is all the fun hands on projects we get to do.
For me it felt like it was
I understand you very well...
You feel I bet it wasn't.
@@ivan5844 I know university was a waste of time for me and especially now for many other people with online zoom meetings that are an absolute joke of tuition.
Loved your calm way of talking
No it’s not a waste of time, it’s a waste of money.
Time is money?
@@Betterdangaming only for capitalists
Universities are not bad,it just that we can get information from other places,but still a certificate to get certian job along with experience
As an university teacher once told me, "something's only useless because you don't understand it". If you think university is unnecessary, it has more to do with your inability to make the most out of it rather than it being actually desnecessary.
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I love the old world Plato's Academy philosophical style of colloquial discourse, I hate the modern draconian student loan debt and attempts at thought indoctrination.
I also love your shirt!
I did my mechanical engineering in India about 20 yrs back. During the course, I realized that I am learning something which has no value as far as job market is considered. So I trained myself in computer programming. In 2005, I got a job as software developer which required domain knowledge in mechanical stream and programming skills. On basis of that skills I came to US in 2008. To be able to become successful in job market, you always have to learn something which no university in the world teaches.
no there spanish subtitles :'(
Learn English, man. I'm Spanish, I learned English and now I can understand what she says.
At university, I spent almost all of my time as an undergrad getting involved in research projects and such.
My marks suffered a lot due to neglect :-( but it gave me a lot of experience and left me connected with a huge network of future job opportunities (when the post grads I was working with moved off into the world).
Any tips on getting involved in research as an undergraduate?
@@rob6129 In a science/engineering field, not that hard.
Step 1: become familiar with the research which is going on in your school and get acquainted with the areas which interest you most.
2: be a (friendly) pest. Talk to the researchers about what they are doing, listen to them. They are usually passionate about what they are doing and more than willing to talk about it...
3. Be helpful and friendly - help them put stuff away while they talk. Look at what they are doing and be interested and helpful in small ways (but don't be crazy and start reorganizing their work or taking over or anything).
4. Often they just like having people take an interest in their stuff and listen to their problems - they are not expecting solutions from you (but often explaining things clearly to somebody helps them to organise their thinking).
Importantly - be willing to take on small menial jobs for little or no pay (it is about experience, not money)
Eventually, proper paying jobs will come along and you will be first choice. In all but my first year of Uni, I had paying jobs within the school (better than flipping burgers) - but like I originally said, it did take a lot of focus from my studies. I think in all, I was better off - but I do wish I had put a bit more effort into my coursework...
Finally - when the researchers grow up and move into industry, you will often cross paths with these people and their friends/colleagues. When you are looking to join an organisation, a good word from somebody who is already working there is worth so much more than any referee.
Such as being part of a fraternity and sorority as well ? And paying $500 a semester ?
@@rob6129 they only accept the "top" students. Those who make As and Bs on selective classes.
I tried and because I was a C student in college or university. I was unable to immerse in research with the professors.
@@perrybrown4985 the myth of the good paying jobs that school tells people since high school and find yourself working at a Safeway.
Not saying Safeway is bad. Jobs are jobs and anyone gets training first, but at 7 dollars an hour. Not even 8.
The cost of university is increasing exponentially without a corresponding increase in quality. Economically speaking it just doesn't make any sense to go there.
I believe it is valuable. School is helping me get the extra help and resources I need to become an engineer. It is also helping me meet a qualification to get my dream job. I agree 100% about the connections with professors. I applied for a scholarship and I needed a recommendation letter. It was awkward to ask my professor for one as she didn't really know me to recommend me... so make connections!
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Yes and No. I live in Germany and its not needed in order to have a good job. But it also doesnt hurt to have that extra education
Depends on if you decide to pursue a worthless degree or a worthwhile one
I guess we agree that, whether time spent at university is a waste of time or not, ultimately depends on what kind of life you want to pursue and whether your university/degree is an appropriate platform to get you there.
But these are questions that are extremely hard, especially for our younger selves, to have enough insight to answer and decide.
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Also, I love your look. It's wonderful.
It's a good topic to discuss if the university is a waste of time or not. The only thing I know the best teacher is teacher, not an artificial intelligence...
I think the best way to approach college is to use that University for your benefit. Actually that's a good way to approach many things in life. Know what you want to do then utilize the resources available at a University to make that happen. If you aren't clear on what your direction is, you could wind up with a degree that is not applicable or beneficial to you. I think Tibees is right, be proactive and get what you want not the other way around.