This e-Bike is a BEAST !!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มี.ค. 2022
- In this video, I'm unboxing and going over some basic specs of the Ariel Rider Grizzly v2. This bike is considerably more powerful than the Brompton Electric, which was the reason I was intrigued and decided to check it out for myself. It was a lot of fun!
If you want to learn more about it:
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My Grizzly arrived with a defective rear motor. It made a terribe noise the first few days then stopped working altogether. Emailed customer support and they refusing to repair / replace it! Buyer beware.
Easy fix, it's one of the three PHASE wires that has become unplugged
I am in the same boat.
I got and error code 30H and have been exchanging emails with Ariel Rider for over a month now.
The only thing they have determined is that the Wicked Thumb headlight I installed has voided my warranty.
So, I paid, $3,500 for a bike I rode for 3 months, and when we figure out what is wrong with my bike I will be paying for the parts.
From the comments I have seen, many Grizzly owners are stating that multiple parts need to be replaced at the same time, with mixed results for success or failure.
For example, some owners state they replaced the controllers, harness, and display without success.
Some owners say they had to replace the controllers, display, and motor all at the same time to get it working again.
This is a catastrophic failure of multiple components at the same time. This means one component is causing the others to fail and there is no recognizable pattern. There are many combinations and permutations of multiple component failures.
This helps explain why I have not been told what is wrong with my bike after exchanging emails for over a month.
Ariel Rider has a video showing how to replace the controllers of the Grizzly, as of 07-14-2022 the video has 1.8k views. 1,800 views on how to replace the controllers, WTF!
I will never buy an e-bike online again.
@@ianmangham4570 no def not
Cool looking bike but that’s where it ends, shame the customer service is so bad I am sorry for all you guys. That’s a lot of money to loose
@@thebalaa 🤡
Fun bike I have one too. it's better to not start with both motors from 0mph, as you see you just spin out the front tire and will wear it down. It's better to kick in the front motor when already moving (as a speed boost), or when already starting up a hill. It wont spin out the tire since you're already moving but it gives you the benefit and torque of a second motor.
Kind of a design flaw tbh, a lot of very power electric bikes have controller that allow you to gentle start even if you full throttle. Also with bicycles, it's kind of moot to put two motors, just get a motor that is double the power and rear wheel drive, it will be lighter and more efficient.
@@Daivd1111 No it won't, it'll be a lot heavier, it will stress the frame to the max and beyond and will drain the battery far faster than this outfit does.
@@1t_wasnt_me Can I ask what support you saying that?
Two motors double the casing, wiring, controler, are they lighter in you mind?
No bike frame can not handle a 3kw motor if installed correctly.
If single motor design drain battery faster, why all 4 wheel drive EV have less range than 2 wheel drive version.
Saying something different dont make it true
Another option is to have the pedal drive in a low gear, and the assist on, even at 5 the power comes on slower with the pedal assist. then with the hand throttle. I use both methods at different times.
@@Daivd1111 I have a bike with two motors and the throttle has three levels based on how far you pull it. So you can start throttling light enough so the front tire doesn't spin out. Then at about 5 mph you can use full throttle.
Great video man ! Ive been looking at e-bikes for months and months and everytime I think Ive got what I want nailed down.....I see the next new thing. The grizzly is what ive had my eye on for the last few weeks and I am super stoked because I think Ive finally found the one ! Thanks for the detailed info on this bike !
Me too I'm hoping to purchase it in October 2022
I did the same thing for a long time but finally pulled the trigger about a year ago. I realized because it's a new-ish market there are new manufacturers and models constantly so might as well just find the best one i can afford and order so I can start riding. Although, i ended up getting a scooter because at the time i was looking the only way to get an ebike that went 35-40mph was to spend $4k+ but i was able to get a scooter that went nearly 50mph with a massive battery for range for half that price.
Anyways, my advice is just get one otherwise you'll be waiting forever because there's always going to be another new model coming soon..
No mirrors seem a bad choice. Seeing you were going almost the speedlimit and folks still passing by, would be safer to know what is coming from behind
I live in a town where getting hit by cars and cars driving on the wrong side of the highway is a way and 5 DUIs is a normal thing. You think a mirror will help? Just buy one.
Definitely a good idea to add mirrors, not sure why the other posters are suggesting Amazon, I guess they don't know.
That was my first thought when he took it out on the road. No mirrors.
@@Nirvezz Sensors? Like the ones cars now have(Newer ones with a screen on the dash and camera at the back bumper) when they reverse?
Thanks for Caring Karen
I got mine 6 months ago after and extra 3 month wait. I've owned ebikes for 15 years now.... pretty much since they first can't out. This bike is the best bang for your buck I've ever seen. It has incredible power
and range for the money. Last week I flew up a mile long hill like it was nothing, keeping up with local traffic. It has a range with both batteries at top speed of about 44-45 miles. If I kept it at 25 im sure I'd easily get 60 -65 miles.
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What's the price?
@@DataLog $3299.00 was the price l found. Basically offered at 3000 with 300 dollar order discount.
@@michaelbryant2071 How did you get the discount
You must be one of the lucky ones if you have not had any problems.
Looks like a great commuter or fun-bike.
One option, I would like to see is: The ability to adjust the seat-height. Comes in handy when you run out of battery and have to actually bike to get home.
Yeah, being 6'2", this important to me.
@@michaelbryant2071 If you're taller than around 5' 11" I would not recommend it other than as a toy for a few minutes to ride.
@@Cyberdactyl That's disappointing. I'm 6'3" and was hoping to use it for a bit of exercize, too. Not the bike for me I guess.
@@johnbowman1076 There are tons of full size e-bikes that as powerful that would suit WAY better for exercise. The bike in this video has pedals primarilly to be classified as an E-bike and not an electric motorcycle. Without pedals it would then be required to have tags and registration and you're also required to have a motorcycle license in many states.
@@Cyberdactyl I get it. It's really just a barely legal moped. What attracted me was that over-sized seat. Otherwise.... time for a wedgie (haha).
your review is very clear and specific on small details. Very good review. and good nice video taking. Good job.thanks.
Super cool demo, thanks for posting.
I have one. I love, love love it. It has plenty of power up hill, I have a steep one, take it food shopping, found a way to put pannier bags on the cage for the huge battery. It's also my commuter bike. Put some Decorative lights on the frame, rear view camera, and turn signals. It's not a pleasure bike for me, but transportation. I avoid using all wheel drive because of the tendency to peal out.
i got the same reply that i wan a bike, im pretty sure its a scam
Nice review! Have fun with it. I got my v2 last fall after a looooong wait. Been modding and tweaking it all winter (doing short 2-3 mile runs). I am about 265 lbs and got it up to 37 mph (confirmed with my phone's GPS). Seriously fun/fast and comfortable eBike! FWIW -- look into aftermarket long saddle seats (waaaaay more comfortable and useable),
How were you able to get it to 37mph would love to see a video on it?
Thanks for the great informative content, Riders and reviewers dont understand how underated it is stating rider height and weight. Im about 240-260 on a good days so this helps a lot when finalizing a huge huge purchase on a monster like this, again thanks bud. Shout out from Anaheim, CA
Where are you finding aftermarket long saddles? Different then the one they are selling on their site?
What's the range
Was it 37 mph down hill or flate?
Nice video man! I switched to e-bikes a month ago and I am in love with my grizzly!
People who own this bike are really passionate about it and I can see why. Have you checked out their Facebook group (Ariel Rider Grizzly Owners)?
@@EverydayCycling ever heard of the Sur ron x from Segway? It’s just like this bike except it’s more powerful and is a dirt bike.
My friend has a grizzly ebike a dual motors and dual batteries are fantastic.. you can also shut the front hub motor off if you want... The riding position is very comfortable.. the seat is comfortable in the handlebars are very comfortable position.. I would recommend the grizzly to anyone who wants an e-bike.. the huge all-terrain tires are fantastic also... His does approximately 30 mph
i got the same reply that i wan a bike, im pretty sure its a scam
Keep on mind that 99.9 percent of motorists are not expecting something this small to be going this fast this quietly. Bikes like this and their riders are almost invisible to most drivers. Know your surroundings and stay safe
Motorists ... as well as pedestrians, and other cyclists. Fun e-bike, for sure, but please be courteous to other users on the street, and on multi-use paths/shared-use paths, etc.: slow down, and warn when passing, either by voice or with a bell.
Well said
Cars either don't see you or they are all trying to kill you.
You admit to removing the speed restriction. That could be problematic.
Not just this bike, all bikes are invisible to motorists.
Was really impressed with that steep uphill test because i expected twice the speed with both motors but when it ran four times faster that was really something
Electric motors like to turn at a certain speed and with hub motors this equates to a fixed road speed. The presence of the second motor might be enough to get into the 'sweet spot' and get near-optimal efficiency from the engine whereas the single motor might only be working at reduced efficiency due to low speed. That's my theory anyway!
@@The1trueDave Also since one motor is enough to go up the hill even if at 1mph, that means that the second motor doesn't have to deal with the hill at all, so if one motor gets him 0.0001mph up a hill, that means that the second motor should be able to get up to flat ground single motor speeds.
I'm glad to have you back! Love your content as always :)
Yay, thank you!
This was very helpful man thanks. I was thinking about switching to e-bikes lately
i got the same reply that i won a bike, im pretty sure its a scam
actual consumer advice, information thats actually relevent for me. thumbs up and subbed
One thing for safety of anyone riding an ebike over 20mph on regular streets. When a vehicle is coming out of a laneway making turn on a red light. When their brain sees a two wheel vehicle. They assume a speed is being done is a pedal bicycle top speed. Not 35moh etc... i ride recumbents so i speak from opposite side of coin. Cars give me so much extra space. So until fast little motor cycle speed bikes become the norm i would say keep limit at 20mph and don't assume that cars coming out of lanes/ driveways e.t.c have clocked your speed. BTW some of the owners of those bikes have tweaked them to 70mph and higher.
70 is a bit fast for that bike :O
Wow ✨️ As a Digial Nomad & part-time VanLifer on the 'thick-side', i need one of these for sure! Thanks for sharing😊
i got the same reply that i won a bike, im pretty sure its a scam
Saw this was in atlanta and I recognized the place at the beginning of the vid. I had my graduation there and love that top golf.
We are glad that you enjoy our Grizzly v2! 😁
I can't wait to get mine 10/2023
Without an adjustable seat, which my radrunner plus has, it will not be a perfect for most riders, only a few being a fit for this exact bike. Also, when I purchased my radrunner, radrover was the only company that had a week or two, absolute return policy so that if the bike was not wanted you could return it as long as it wasn’t dirty or damaged.
Just ordered mine with an end-of-July delivery date!!! That AFFIRM no interest loan was nice, too.
I have a an Electra RallySport beach cruiser. I bought a 1000 watt Electric DIY kit. I also bought a pretty good battery 48 V 21 amp. It’s a front hub motor and it will do about 30 mph on level ground. The steepest hill in my neighborhood is about a 45 grade. Near the top I have to start peddling. But not a big deal.
My 2021 Rad Mini 4 goes 24mph on level ground (before and after upgrade) and with the Bolton upgrade I installed, accelleration is almost too much sometimes.
It has the Bafang kit.. The G062 motor is great and can be bumped up to 2kw (each) to gain higher speeds (up to 45 mph that I know it can handle). BTW going full power at slow speed like you did up that hill will burn out the motor windings, it's best to gain speed to start a hill and peddle. I know you did it for the review, but I'm just saving someone from the "dead ebike" nightmare. Those suck pushing/peddling home if you're a mile or more away. I beat my ebikes up and over power them. I rewind my own motors though so I don't care when I burn them out.
How do you bump it up to 45?
@@puckzy8591 One you use the Bafang controller and replace the capacitors to higher voltage ones I went with 200v. Or buy a controller that can take over 60v. And then use a 16s-20s battery. Higher voltage = higher rpms/faster. I learned how to solder pcbs so I could modify my controllers. Cheaper to just buy a better controller over buying a good soldering station and stuff to rework pcbs.
The batteries died on my Grizzly 4 miles from home. I peddled, quite easily, the rest at 16 mph. On dead batteries.
Thankful for the gears, as I did have some hills to climb.
7:46 "And the grizzly just doesn't care" ( proceeds to almost running over a squirrel) hahah great video
I purchesd a new NCM Moscow 13 hundred dollars 2yrs later still what a great bike ❤️
I'd say this is a light motorcycle, rather than a bike.
No my friend you are mistaken. You are thinking of an enginecycle.
its an ebike
Once they make cycling almost useless it become classed another thing maybe scooter or motorised bike. I think I saw Richard Hammond say the same thing
@@javascriptkiddie2718 Not an e-bike you can't legally ride in bike lanes and on trails.
If its 3300$ how does it perform vs Eunorau fat hd for 2400$?
It would be interesting to see a comparison "Brompton Electric vs regular Brompton + Swytch Brompton kit".
I'd love to do that and I think it would be really useful for the Brompton community
Had a Grizzly for several years now. Amazing bike. Best bang for the buck. I live in the mountains and can climb any hill effortlessly. Had no repairs or issues at all. Having to replace tires soon. Its a quality build. Pricey true, but long term...a great value.
Are more aggressive knobby tires available for off-road?
@davebean2886 Yes, but I went with the Huntsman Vee tire. Pricey, but man I what a difference. Stock tires were very squirrely on gravel and wore pretty fast. These tires are a better ride, better handling and wear better. Good general purpose.
dual hub is the best. i had 2 350s and it was surprising how fast it went. now i just have a 3000 watt rear hub, but want to add something to the front again.
They can cal it a bicycle, put pedals on it and all, but that thing is definitely not a bicycle. It’s a motorcycle under disguise.
That is the whole point. Allows you to ride in bike lanes and sidewalks. Just don’t go too fast
You must have not seen a motorcycle in your life lol.
is a bicycle helmet going to save your head at 30mph crash? or do they wear the same helmets that EUC riders wear?
@@danielcheng769 you must have not seen a bicycle in your life
@@Name-jn1su This would be illegal due to the wattage amount in just about any bike lane jurisdiction. Get into a run-in with a car and you'll end up having the book thrown at you, even if it wasn't your fault.
...This thing is more a motorcycle than a bike.
Great video Victor, thank you for sharing :)
0:47 The ol' TV box trick - ship the bike in a tv box, they'll actually handle the package with care instead of throwing it about.
Big suggestion is to use front or rear wheel drive, not both wheels, unless you like crashing into things. I use it one or the other to get range and power, bike generally likes to cruise about 23 mph on front or rear. Which really is plenty fast.
This bike gives you that option but what you saw in this video was people who wasn't familiar with the bike taking off full throttle. I have this bike a sometimes I use the single motor when I'm in the downtown area where people crossing the streets to shop but used the dual motor when I'm on the open road. The problem is people get bikes like this and they're not responsible enough or have the experience to ride it which cause accidents or crashes.
I ride an ebike that's basically considered to be a New York city delivery ebike. It's called an Arrow 10. They're really exclusive to the city I live in, like you can't even google them. I've been drooling over the Grizzly ever since it released last year, but my biggest issue is part replacement. Since I own an ebike that the city is very familiar with, getting the necessary odd repairs is super affordable and simple. I pay 15 bucks every few months to get my break pads replaced, and every so often I'll replace a disc or even a wheel (the potholes here are insane). If I got this Grizzly, I'd have to order the parts and wait for the mail, and probably pay a lot more to boot.
I like this bike a lot, and if I lived anywhere else, I'd have it, but sometimes you have to consider your environment. A bike like the Grizzly stands out from the one I have, and it'll for sure be the target of bike thieves, which are everywhere in NYC. I've actually seen a few Grizzly's out in the wild chained to poles, and I get anxiety for their owners just noticing how shiny and fresh they look.. I wouldn't be able to own a nice bike like this one in peace living where I live. My bike is actually pretty nice itself, but I have to grime it up so people don't mess with it.
"you can't even Google them" i did, and it was the first suggested result. New Yorkers think everything about New York is some secret thing only known to New York.
@@ohioman4646 Kind of a D bag way to comment, but then again, you are a Florida Man. Arrow 10's must have become more popular over the years, because just one year ago, you couldn't Google them at all. The pandemic made all these ebikes pretty popular, so it makes sense that search engines finally caught up.
I've seen vids on TH-cam of a door dasher in NYC with a Grizzly & he zips right around lovin it.
Looool you’re just a complete moron trying to sound edgy.
There are videos on this bike from 2016. But you “can’t google it” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thats was a great review. To the point and useful info.
I love that it comes in q TV Box so it doesn't get tossed around.
I've had my grizzly 8 months. I over did it with the burn outs and I need an new front tire already. I'm thinking of putting street tires on it, it will cut down on the noise and give a smoother ride.
thinner rims would help, less rolling resistence
Try the Carbo X e-bike if you want a good compromise between power and portability. It is Japanese Carbon Fiber, super light, and super powerful if you pump your tires to 100 psi. I have gone 28 MPH with full throttle.
250w motor it's like a joke for 2500$ price
@@androidkasha Ride 5 or 6 hours a week and you can have a 250W motor that runs on beer and cake.
7:25 unbelievable dual motor torque.
currently searching for a scrambler but slowly trying to find the pros and cons of going with a grizzly.
Although I would not be offroading beside a few grassy jaunts
LOL - his tired were spinning!
I bought an ebike last year and within 2 months I had 350 km on it. Ebikes are a blast.
You get a little more top end power when you have it in pedal assist 6. I’m 266 and hit 35 mph on flats till about 54 volts Also changed out the handle bars for some lower and wider and front tire spins way less since your weight is down on it more than the stock bars kinda make you lean back.
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i got the same reply that i wan a bike, im pretty sure its a scam
Have you rode this off road , gravel , dirt , snow etc ? ? Just wondering how it preforms with its suspension ? Thx great video 👍
Bob,
I am 6'2" and weigh 235 lbs.
The front-end bottoms out on the fender, so I had to remove the fender.
The rear shock does not have much travel, so I bottom out going over small bumps and dips in the road. I have cranked on the preload, and it makes it so stiff it is like having no suspension at all, and I still bottom out.
My bike failed after the first 3 months. I got an Error Code 30H. This is a communication error.
The 30H communication error can be anything from a loose connector to multiple part failure.
After a month of exchanging emails with Ariel Rider, I still don't know what is wrong with my bike, and they have recommended I take it to a bike shop that sells and services Ariel Rider bikes. I live in San Diego, and there is a dealer in Oceanside.
However, to answer your question, after being told to look for a loose connection, I am not going to be taking my Grizzly off-road or doing any mountain biking as this could cause a connector to come loose.
I also have a Juiced HyperScorpion that goes about 32 mph in Race Mode. I have taken this bike off-road in the canyons. I don't go anywhere near 32 mph off-road, as it would be too dangerous for the most part.
If you are looking to go off-road, I suggest you get a bike built for that purpose. And keep in mind that going 35 mph on a Grizzly on mountain bike trails could be dangerous. I was riding 10-15 mph with my Scorpion off-road.
Lastly, I totally regret buying my Grizzly. For the $3,500 I paid, I could have gotten a 150cc scooter that goes 60 mph, gets over 100 miles per tank, and refueling takes less than 10 minutes vs 5 hours to recharge the batteries on the Grizzly.
I took my Grizzly to the Outer Banks. It climbed sand dunes like a dirt bike. I've hit 40 mph on mine. I love my Grizzly. Makes my Super 73 seem like a child's toy.
My nephew is 6'5" 370lbs.
He rode it all over the Outer Banks too and his only issue was deep, soft sand.
Very helpful video… I was wondering about up hill performance. Thanks.
Thanks for the mid hill start.
It reminds me of the upcoming vanmoof ebike model with dual motor.
I need to look into that!
For that price it better be a beast, there is a lot of competition out there. Sure the dual shocks and double batteries are where a lot of the $ is but is it worth it to go up to 3K for this high end of bike is the question
That's not expensive and it's closer to $1,700 US not 3,000. Spare 48v batteries alone are $500+ so it's extra good value if you can find and e-bike under $2000 that has dual battery.
What a great video my friend you really explain the Grizzly bike very well! I thank you!thank you! thank you!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I really need one of these i live off grid and it looks perfect for everyday life 😍
i got the same reply that i won a bike, im pretty sure its a scam
Better off with a mid drive, you could get up that hill easily using around 400w because the motor drives through the chain and rear cassette gears meaning you can reduce the stress on the motor by changing to low gear meaning better hill climbing abilities, less voltage usage and longer battery life.
@notfiveo Ive got a specialized hard tail I converted to mid drive aswell, 750w bafang like yours but i put a 32T chainring on mine because I live in a place with ridiculous steep hills and with that small chainring no hill is a problem, I can still reach 30mph on the flat with that chainring. I had a issues with the motor working itself loose aswell! I made a bracket that goes around the motor and bolts to the frame and it doesn't come loose now.
Its going to take as much wattage as is required to move the mass a certain distance.
By using the gearing, and less wattage, you are necessarily moving slower.
Using the gearing expands the range over which the motor works efficiently, which means you have the option of running a lower final ratio.
But no, you are not going to go faster, using less power.
Other than a need for a lower ratio, such as off road on slow steep terrain, there is not much advantage to the gearing, because unlike a gas engine where all the torque is on the lower end and the power is on the top end, an electric motor has a much flatter power curve.
There are pluses and minuses to mid drive and hub motors.
A hub motor is less maintenance, as you aren't pitting extra force on the chain and gearing.
And if you are crappy at aligning your derailleur, you should avoid a mid drive.
Mid drives give you the option of running different tires for different conditions a lot more easily.
And you can get hub Motors in much higher wattages - there is a practical limit to how much power you can transmit through a mid drive anyway, before the drive train starts to suffer abnormal wear and failure.
@@Zomby_Woof Mid drive is better for me where I ride up mountains, I've tried rear hub motors and the mid drive out performs the hub motors greatly because I can lower gear ratio and also because the weight of the motor is in the middle unlike the rear hub drive with all the weight on the back wheel, if I was only using a bike on the road with not much steep hills then I would maybe get a hub motor, but what is the point when I can get a mid drive that can climb steep rocky mountains with ease! Hub motors suck compared to mid drive.
Gonna rip up the chain and sprockets - not the case with hubs.
@@anxiousappliance That is a myth, I haven't had to change the gears and sprocket on mine in two years that I have been riding my mid drive and I use it every day, if you are a idiot that doesn't know how to use gears then that's your fault.
WOW, I'm shocked. Using the single motor up the degree incline dropping at 4mph, I'm assuming the weight is lagging the torque. I have a DIY kit 1500watt 52v 20ah of going up a steeper hill, I'm flying 32mph. Direct Drive or gearless. Bike is awesome of the frame but overall, I'm glad I watched this..
I also like to mention on these custom dual e bikes, I do see the max torque power, using both batteries, but it is maximizing the watt output at high velocity , no matter how high the battery specs are it is juicing up a lot of E Juice faster then normal makes of E bikes. I've studied all the dual makes of E bikes of DIY to custom factory made and come to conclusion. I do not see most as practical of DIY makes for you have to do the math right of just the motor types alone while figuring out the max weight , the connection of wires , ECT. Like many I wanted to build a Dual myself but realized the actual need to upgrade is best off 1 motor of multiple makes over trying to do an All in One E bike. My 1500 and my 2000watt DD e bikes will not beat the duals off the start but my e bikes will catch up for a bit until the dual switch is turned on. With Hills I know my 1 motor e bikes kick ass going over 30 all the way unless hill is over 1 mile. These Dual Bikes are AWESOME but it is meant more for those who want a high grade PRICED range and appeal. I have 3 e bikes. 2 DD motor and 1 Geared motor. I would like someone to give me email to Aireal Bikes so I can give a detail formula of the preferred make of a Dual to compliment the true Dual E Bike as I heard they give away to test but those guys already got like 10 in their garage so they jus collecting over giving right opinion to be able to correct as being Practical.
Great review, good information. Thanks.
i got the same reply that i won a bike, im pretty sure its a scam
Glad that you are back. Long time.......
I've had my Grizzly about a year now. I like that both motors have metal gears. A significant wearing issue over time. Im unaware of any other brand that has this upgrade.
I live in the mountains and this bike has no grade limitations though I haven't tried 90 degrees yet. Its eats them up. I love riding the forest service roads for miles. It really is only limited by felled trees and deep creeks.
I've had no issues/problems with anything . Full charge time takes a while. Its pricey no doubt but very well made. With this bike you get what you pay for.
@@Sausage.man8 Well, from say from about 25% about 8 hours back to 100%
3kw is about 4 horsepower. So that's literally an electric motorbike, with a legal loophole get round all the legal implications like licence, insurance, tax, and safety.
3kw is peak power so legally it's still a ebike
@@bulletproof4716 that was kinda my point - legally it's still an ebike, but peak power is approaching 50cc petrol engine... but no mirrors, indicators, helmet, lights, etc required
It’s a 105 pound , and 3k too. This this is a completely rip off.
Cool video! Thanks for the review!
Not motorcycle but more emoped style.I’m looking at the xclass 52v. Not many hills where I live in Vegas but I want something more exciting to ride than my Lectric xp which had been a great ebike. Great vid and nice of you to let your friends ride your grizzly.Friend love my ebike also when they ride it.
Out of all the electric bikes on the market, Why are you comparing this eBike to the Brompton?
It is basically an electric motorcycle
Legislation is in the works in some states that will require these to be registered, insured and a special license will be required. They will need turn signals and break lights too.
If you want more attack on that front-wheel drive you need to position the handlebars and or yourself forward... Also you can try padding up the seat to raise it... add a box under the cushion. The geometry is not ideal
nice video, how did you measure uphill slope? I see it's dynamically changing.
What's the pedals for? They should just market this as an electric motorcycle. Even if you only used pedal-assist you'd be burning a lot of electricity just on the added weight.
Tax and insurance...
A loophole to what is legally considered an e-bike.
It's called moped, they have a long history because originally these were bikes with a motor slapped on it. That's why they have pedals.
For people like me with a DUI and no license.
If you get caught on a dead battery, perhaps? It happened to me before, so it's good to have pedals as an emergency backup when you're too far away from home.
TBH I was expecting to see better from 3KW. Why? Well my bike has a Bafaang 750w rear hub motor. It manages a real 27mph on the flat, pulling a displayed 1200W. So I thought with 3000 W you might get to 45mph or so. I guess a little extra speed requires a lot more power. .. I say ‘real’ 27mph because it is clear many e-bikes give false speed readings due to incorrect tyre size. I checked my bike odo against both our cars and found it over reading by 5%. The bike computer says 29” wheels, but measuring from the ground upto the axle reveals it is an inch less, and sitting on the bike squashes it a bit even more! This makes a difference to the computer speedo calculation…mine is now accurate. Worse tho’…some not very ‘switched on’ You Tubers show the speedo set to Km/hr and are over the moon with their 1000w bikes doing like 45. I guess it would burst their bubble to tell them that’s only 30mph and with correct tyre size calculations it will be even lower!
wow..nice bike..thanks for sharing!
More motorcycle than bicycle. It would never be legal in a million years where I live.
I switched from e-bike to brompton because I felt like I wasn't doing enough work and the brompton fits better in the car.
How nice to have that kind of E-BIKE . Nice nice nice
That was a smart idea to put the bike in a tv box🙂👍
Not my thing. Makes me love bicycles even more. Being pragmatic I have to accept that this technology has the potential to replace motorcycles and scooters. There needs to be a new category of vehicle that ditches the pedals and increases the safety and ergonomics so these vehicles integrate seamlessly with urban traffic.
I can't see it replacing motorcycles maybe some scooters. The way it sets off is a problem to me and it could be dangerous if you don't have control.
Um moped??
'ditches the pedals- Then you couldn't ride it on trails in some states. 💡
You can limif the speed on these in the settings
These will never replace motorcycles or scooters, maybe a moped. Scooters have become very capable of what a motorcycle can do, like riding on the freeway a 80+ MPH, and 2-up.
Thank You for sharing this
This video was so much fun! Even the music. I would want dual disks up front and a better seat, and a front fender. Racks front and rear.
i got the same reply that i won a bike, im pretty sure its a scam
I’d love to see a dual motor, downhill top speed test when you can. Great work buy the way.
1000 MPH
Drop it out of a plane.
Both of the electric motors on this bike have a speed limiter on them based around RPM to keep them from self destructing. You can accelerate to about 35-38 depending on your weight, and then coasting you can go faster. Otherwise the motor is spinning faster than the maximum demand.
I'm on usually on #Team Shut Up About Throttles and Mind Your Own Business, but if the Class Two restrictions are easily disabled, this really is a moped. I have no problem with electric mopeds on roads or in "bike gutter" type lanes, but if someone blasted past me on a Greenway/multiuse path at thirty miles an hour, I would not be pleased.
I really hope one of these with the limiter disabled doesn't show up around here. I am not looking forward to having the "You're cheating. Ebikes are motorcycles" conversation with this data point in the mix. Pointing out that the occasional rule breaker doesn't mean we should ban the whole thing isn't effective rhetoric.
Calm down Karen and confronting someone like that with your keyboard warrior mentality will get you seriously hurt. If you see someone being an idiot call the proper authorities to deal with it and move on
Nice review. Straight forward. Surprisingly it's hard for some people to test a bike correctly. I've seen so called top speed tests and the guy runs out of road and says it could have gone faster😵
i got the same reply that i wan a bike, im pretty sure its a scam
Yeah Dan I thought that. Seems everything is a scam. I trust nothing and that's very sad. Forced to be that way. I praised his video and got this. Figures.
Very interesting! I wonder if some aerodynamic improvements could be made as bikes use a *lot* of power just pushing air.
Lower handle bars would help.
front shell will do allot
It's just a matter of time that it will be required to have a special license, registration and insurance to ride these.
maybe, maybe not if the bike lobbyists keep having their way it will not happen, it could but lets hope it does not, as long as people do not do stupid shit,
It is interesting and there is probably a market for it ... but that is not a bicycle. It is camouflage as one but it is not one.
It's not, it's an electric bicycle.
You're not a bicycle
Thanks for the review! I was thinking about upgrading from my Ariel Rider D-Class, but its top speed and performance is equal to my D-Class! I have three batteries on it and one of them is 52v.
all connected at the same time or u have to swap?
@@dagobaker I just have to unplug and connect to the other batteries; takes five seconds. My 52v has 20ah and I've gone over 40 miles (not full throttle) and still had more than half battery left (UPP triangle battery).
I've got an improvement 3 motor one on the peddling sprocket center hub.
Can't you start with the back wheel and change after your up to speed so the frt wheel dont spin and wear down the rubber, also a automatic power assist when the back motor boggs down the frt wheel kicks in to help matain speed
This is not a bike,it’s a motorcycle ,I prefer bikes and the health benefits a bike has to offer.
Then ride a regular bike and keep scrolling past the comment section
I stick to Brompton
I have this and I always pedal start it to save the rubbers :)
I have one. It is the greatest. Had to make an adaptation the seat. A bit to low to pedal. Have nine inch tv screen attached to the handle bars and a back up camera on the rear fender.
It's simply an electric moped not an e-bike. These exist for a long time but are a different category. Of course they have their use case but shouldn't considered as bike.
Edit: The "Moped" wikipedia article is really detailed, worth a look if you want to know the differences.
Don't use Wikipedia as a source of factual information
@@bulletproof4716 This is no political topic. Technical topics are well documented. But if you don't like wikipedia search on your trusted knowledge database (your local library?), I bet it will make no difference in this case.
Agreed with others here. This is a motorcycle disguised as a bicycle. I suspect that we are reaching the point where laws are going to get changed.
This is closer to a moped than a light motorcycle. Also if people ride responsibly no laws would change
@@bulletproof4716 I don't totally disagree, but, and it is a big but, people are starting to ride these on greenways where motorized vehicles are not allowed, and they are becoming more and more obvious as to what they are. It is only a matter of time until some careless idiot crashes one into a pedestrian or cyclist and changes everything.
@@jerrymiller276 careless idiots: i am inevitable
this is a really cool bike, i want one
That last guy sold me "it's terrifying" lol it's an electric Moped I have to have one
Looks dangerous.
Full face helmet needed
Only the rider makes it dangerous
What a bunch of wet blankets in here. This thing is fun. You people, probably not.
😅😅
Seriously, there all acting like Karen's.
man one day i would love to get this lol, ive been looking at lectric xp 2.0 st
Nice. I had a foldable smallerwheeled bike years ago. I found it too twitchy. How is griz stability, can you relax or are you always on guard about twitches?
Is the spinning front shell unavoidable? I would find that expensive.
i got the same reply that i won a bike, im pretty sure its a scam
10x more powerful and 10x more ugly.
It looks a lot better than a Brompton
@@bulletproof4716 keep telling yourself that. 😂😂😂
Kind of a dumb video title to be honest. This has nothing to do with Brompton. This is massive, and not even really a bike. “This isn’t good for pedaling… pedaling”…. Ok? That’s kind of the point. You’re comparing a big, heavy, motorcycle to a small, light, folding bicycle. Check the comments, you really missed the vibe with this one.
He was comparing to the Brompton he was use to riding power wise. Yes you can pedal it in PAS mode
That was a fun video.~ personally when starting off I only use the rear motor so I don’t get that kick as if it’s about to throw me off it and only rarely do I use both front and rear !
I was expecting to see MORE videos from you on THE AIREL RIDER !
I thought you were in Atlanta then you said in lol. Nice review
Not a bike. There is a reason why I had to take a motorcycle class to be able to use them safely. Glad this garbage is not legal in the EU
If I see it in a bike lane I would not feel safe with my daughter there with me
Now you're being petty cause you can't afford one
Anything with a throttle is not a bicycle.
It's an e bike