cEDH Talion Deck Tech! | New Eldraine Legend May Be The Strongest In Years |
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
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Here is Max P's Talion deck tech that he was generous enough to share with me for today's episode!!! -
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While the spoiler season was happening, I was in an online pickup game where Talion had Chalice on 1 and Talion on 2. That was quite the squeeze.
I think this deck is a natural fit for chalice.
I've played a lot of Talion test games and even just made it to a finals of my local tournament (ended in a draw vs tivit and blue farm) with it and I love the deck, as for 1 or 2 I think it's match-up dependent, 2 is the most optimal for draw but 1 is better if you get a turn 1 talion, and 1 is better against certain decks as a soft stax piece (like krarch sakashima) because of their need to cast 1 mana spells, usually turbo naus decks also need to play 1 mana rituals after their naus to gain mana too which kills them. 1 is also better at triggering talion to protect himself as all relevant removal like red ele blast or swords is on 1
I tested a bit with Talion and I found 1 or 2 is close to each other in how often it triggered in my games but generally the more colours your opponents are in the more likely 1 wins vs 2. Also Sheoldred the Apocalypse is quite good like Bloodchief Ascension.
As a stats nerd, you not wanting to include the top deck until the Mulligan has been kept is a method of statistics protects against skewed data from "over fitting" so it's super valid
Max P is also what happens when you stay well hydrated.
Can we get a Rowan, Scion of War deck tech next
Wow this is a popular comment 😅
Tbh found the card a bit underwhelming but I can see what's out there
@@ComedIanMTGi think it has some crazy potencial in cedh, ofc the turn w8 sucks, but some haste shit and go brrrr. Another OP rakdos comm after Ob Nixilis 💖
Do Ob Nix instead, the card is picking up steam @@ComedIanMTG
I’ve been running Bloodchief in Yuriko and card can go nuts. Excited to see it seeing more play!
Few questions - if we are running bloodchief shouldn’t we run Mindcrank for the combo kill?
Someone else mentioned Sheoldred, which is a great way to stay super healthy while draining people.
I’m working on this and will either play this or Yuriko at LotusCon.
I don't think crank is bad by any means. It just is rough for fueling breach
@@ComedIanMTG I probably wouldn’t cast it until it’s lethal imho.
@@ComedIanMTGI thought so too but seems fine with saga. He’s probably tested it though.
Everyone talking about how good the card is, I have to chime in to say the artwork is fire. both the regular and the borderless, just a good looking magic card.
I ran Talion last week at prerelease and 2 was the right choice against thras and tymna vs Innalia vs magda. Also i run Necrotic ooze in my version. Awesome video btw.
I am always up for seeing deck tech videos. Revolving around the Meta of Cedh.
Loving the trend of decks that can run Cursed Totem and Grafdiggers. Trying to get out of the habit of graveyard synergy since it's pretty easy to get hated out of that gameplan
talion is super sick and I think playing it as an anti-meta deck of sorts is really interesting. having thoracle as the only wincon can probably be a bit annoying. it makes me want to think about a narset/thief wheels package, despite it being generally subpar for the current meta. swiftfoot boots to give hexproof on talion is also an interesting thought, since I imagine this is going to be one of those commanders that will get massive amounts of card draw if its left to sit around for the game. getting an early talion killed can be really rough for this deck however, it'll probably be a few turns before you can hit 6 mana if you're using rituals or lotus. I'm sure people will start to shift table respect towards talion if it turns out to be consistently as good as people feel it currently is. exciting card for sure, I'm definitely replacing urza with it in my tivit deck and throwing it into my atraxa as well. I think severely underrated decks like Tymna Thrasios also got a nice pickup from this card. if this card gets super popular, I wonder if we'll be seeing more notion thief/narsets being registered? I also think sensei's top would be solid in this build if you're on cb anyways, you can at least do some fancy things with the rearrange ability stacked on top of a talion trigger and in the early game I think its solid enough to help you get to casting talion
if florian guy is interested in this commander, then I'm 100% sure it has legs
2 continues to be the best choice... although I have found in late game when Talion has been removed, sometimes it makes sense to replay him on 1.
Why not run Telepathy with Talion as commander? A U mana and now all your oppo play with their hands revealed. Seems like a fun pseudoey stax piece. On another note, I’ve been listening to the PWP podcast from start until current and I heard you talking about Selenia, Dark Angel. Did you ever brew a cEDH deck with her? Of my surviving old collection, I have a copy of her and I was intrigued by that conversation.
I've been looking for a deck that can viably run, Night of Souls' Betrayal and I think we have a winner 👀
fully agree this is the closest deck to yuriko ive seen in a while, just like midrange value with alternate wincon in cmd zone and its nice to see what people come up with on talion and be inspired to do similar things with yuriko
So I got bored one day and used AI to check all the decklists in the top 16 of mox masters July. 2 is the best by about 20%
If you use bard ai. Which can search the Internet. It tells you 5 but then when you make it actually go through it step by step it isn't accounting for frequency of cards, then when you do it says 3. But then when you add in power or toughness it gets to be 2.
Awesome deck tech! Are you also planning on creating a top 16 video for the SCG cEDH $5k event?
(I was the Gruul player in the top 16. Didn't get a chance to really talk about it with you, but my primer is very thorough.)
Yeah absolutely!
Those just take a longer turn around time
Especially since SCG insists on using Melee and its never available for some reason 😕
@@ComedIanMTG I know. Site feels like it was created in 2003 lmao
But sweet, looking forward to it!
Melee is designed for 60 card not 100 afaik. I have heard good things about it for 60 card in the past
It looks more like nymris than Yuriko you can take this list and switch the commander to nymris and it would work as it is just about the same deck as snake had
Yep, this looks a lot like my Nymris
I also play Nymris and had a laugh when I saw this deck as I had seen it already but with an other commander at the front 😂
I watched 5 random cEDH games on YT, and in all 5, “one” beat out “two” (by about 10-20% in each game, like clockwork). That’s a small sample, granted, but it is interesting. I’d be curious to know why your friend always picks 2. Does he have some data? If he’s up for it, suggest he do a video. I’m intrigued.
I saw a TH-cam video that mentioned the talion discord members figured out 1 works better because there are on average 5-7 more cards that trigger on 1 per deck.
Congrats on getting Wizard's support! You earned it dude :)
went through a bunch of CEDH decks and most have 4-6 more 2s then 1s.
Woo I've been waiting for this since you mentioned it in tms
I am curious as to what cards make 2 the prefered number to 1 otherwise seems an interesting deck
I’ve played about 40 or so games with Talion. 2 has been the best performing number but if I see a turbo ad naus deck I consider 1. 2 just hits so many things and creatures. My list was originally a control deck but it has evolved into a similar midrange.
How good are the Clones that copy Talion (or even the new Roaming Throne!) Either double up on the talion effect or spread out the Number even.
I have 2 immediate thoughts:
If the cmdr is that strong at the helm, I wanna test it in the 99.
I kinda like it in sisay
Currently trying in blue farm
Nice video homie. The hand kills me ever since i noticed and commented a while back on it.
I wonder how much different the shell is from nymris. Dimir control for a pod. Its sick for sure.
I’m so surprised to have not seen talk about this card at all. It seems so strong, but might not have that much hype
How do you feel about talion being included in the 99. Instead of as a commander with something like TnT or blue farm
Big fan!
I wonder if Mindcrank would work if bloodchief is already one of the wincons
very interesting video, thanks for that!
Clones gonna be everywhere because of this card
Marsh flats misty rain forest in blue black...
Do you think having mindcrank in the deck with blood chief would be good enough?
Do we think this is a 99 playable card for midrange tymna decks like TnT? I've been thinking about it.
Comment for the algorithm fantastic stuff comedian
Statistically 2 is the better choice and will trigger roughly 33% of the time, choosing 1 I believe roughly reduces the triggers by 10-12%.
Control doesn’t interest me much. Not my style. But this is a cool commander.
Can you blink talion to choose multiple numbers?
You can reset the number by blinking.
You need a clone that gets around the legend rule for multiple numbers
@@ComedIanMTG Ah. Thank you
List can definitely be cleaned up a bit. But it’s solid for the most part.
If you look at the version 2 listed in the description, that is the updated list that Max and I have been working on
Pog
Card draw moment
So basically kill on sight. Easy enough.
Please dont not give out your decklist before a tourney!! You are too prestigious of a pilot to not only scew the entire tournament but completely change potential innovations from other piloys that are forced to tech against or with you. It is a cool idea but we as a community dont need your list. You give us plenty of insight.
Instead: make a tier that provides similar insight. Record your post match thoughts. (Audio) talk us thru the match up the mull choice ect. You have done a video like this before kinda live. But this is more of a mix live(ish) recap. With exclusive break down for just that tier.