Climate Science Debate: Campus Liberty Tour 2022 (U. of Dallas)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- A debate at the University of Dallas featuring: Steven Koonin, Ph.D, author of Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters, Gernot Wagner, Ph.D, Climate Economist at Columbia Business School and moderator Tom Rogan, Commentary desk of the Washington Examiner and Tony Blankley Senior Fellow with Steamboat Institute.
Debating the resolution:
“Climate science compels us to make large and rapid reductions in greenhouse gas emissions.”
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thank you dr koonin being the voice of reason
Yeah, humanity will progress greatly by 2100...wait was this about global warming? I thought this was about technology and the economy. Okay, what about...oh, you're gonna skip the whole topic of the debate.
it’s very difficult to detect an authentic purpose in mr wagner‘s arguments
but.... the 21st century statistics... gotta have em.
It's funny because this economist struggles to grasp a difference between a strong economy in terms of being beneficial to the wealthy, and a strong economy in terms of benefitting a society as a whole.. in fact, he had a tenuous grasp in general of the damage cyclical printing of money without a set standard to back it has. So, he's either in denial, lying, or outright delusional.
Not to mention he outright discredits the impact the sun has on climate (ironically, we are currently nearing the peak of its current cycle) which is a huge part why we are currently seeing such extreme weather events, the countless outside factors within our own planet's systems that "modeling" doesn't and won't account for (which would explain why every long-term climate catastrophe prediction has been way off the mark). He also dismissed the effect of Milankovitch cycles. I wonder if he would care to explain why Mars has experienced polar ice cap shrinkage as well, as observed in variations from the late 1970s to 2000? 🤔There's one common denominator there, it's the sun. Granted, Mars atmosphere has an exponential difference in CO2 levels to earth's, but its atmospheric density is also significantly less.
listening further mr wagner‘s strongest argument seems to be „21st century statistics, thank you“ - ridiculous
This Wagner guy seems to be confronted with dissent for the first time in his life.
Gernot (I won't call him Mr. Wagner) is arrogant, rude, disrespectful, condescending, and best of all deliciously wrong. He is only 43 years old and sounds like teenage punk.
The esteemed professor Koonin kicked his little butt. He kept his professional cool and acted like a gentleman. Gernot should take note. Somehow I don't think he will.
I bought Professor Koonin's book - it's fantastic.
Human lifespans are 70-80-90 years. Why should anyone have to sacrifice decades of discomfort or inconvenience not to mention extravagant costs just to please the IPCC. Life is too short. I mean you can mitigate around the edge but govts want to act like tyrants.
Well said.
quite theatrical and condescending mr. wagner - at times even childish
Wagner is hard to take seriously.
mr wagner is so annoying.
No offense but Wagner was such an arrogant and disrespectful…. Fill in the blank. And his arguments were ridiculous.
Wagner answers like a politician. That's why it doesn't make sense.
Wagner doesn’t seem to know how to conceal his high need for undeserved attention for just 1 damn hour.
If my kid speaks with the condescending and arrogant mannerisms like Wagner, I’d make sure that he experiences emotional pain as a consequence. Who raised him?
As an economist I have to protest against Dr Wagner argumentum ad hominen against Prifessor Tol. Tol is an excellent economist, econometrician and statistian. Dr Wahner starts out buy calling a troll! Dr Wagner does not understand any econometrics at all, which is my own speciality. Further hee claims that solar is cheaper than coal in India, which is not correct. Over and over he falls into discussing weather instead of climate. Attribution models are scientifically very interesting but so far no conclusion can be drawn from them because they are not testable. He refers to something he calls 21 century statistics, new technology etc that is not science. He is right about uncertainty. And there economists have a lot to say. I could argue against Koonin much better than Wagner though I am on Koonin’s side here. If Wagner had been a good economist he would have explained how to handle the uncertainty, what to do and how much considering the alternative use of our resources. Don’t ever think that Wagner represent the majority of economists when it comes to climate change. Whatever your opionion is about climate change I see no reason to waste my time listning to Dr Wagner. He has no scientific arguments. Instead he starts with anecdotes about weather events and argumentum ad hominen.
Wonderful debate Steamboat institute. I must congratulate Mr. Wagner for doing this, science is about discussion, and not always as settled as so many believe. As for Mr. Koonin, well done, and I agree, nuclear is our future once we make it for societal gain and not military pain.
He has to be funded by wind and solar industries. What about long term environmental impact of wind and solar?
Big Oil is deep into grand scale off shore wind farms (among others). There's a false dichotomy communicated to the public, in "good government" vs "bad Big Fossil fuel". They are perfectly aligned and in this together.
Mr. Wagner waffles. What a waste of time he was responsible for during this debate. Mr Koonin gets my vote. Why? Because he cares about the damage and deaths that a rushed approach to switching off fossil fuels will cause - that's murderous. I agree that before fossil fuels are switched off, we need an effective alternative a way of generating energy, operational.
Does he discuss the impact of emissions on climate change? Listened to a couple minutes and he seems to be speaking folksy wisdom. Does he have views on the mechanics of climate change or does he just obfuscate and stall?
What a fun debate, thanks to Mr. Koonin.
Wagner just doesnt know how to answer correctly ans directly
Wagner should devote the rest of his life to hiding this debate. What a train wreck. I felt like this was a "what not to say" advertisement for a Dale Carnegie lecture. Wagner..........Columbia just called. Please register for the next Making friends and influencing people seminar. To think somebody so bitter and condescending could lead our youth. We are in trouble. Wagner............never mind. Columbia just fired you.
23:50 solar panels and wind turbines are quite expensive, and certainly not the cheapest way to of energy generation.
I think they are only factoring in the fixed cost of the asset over a fixed period of time. Solar panels, of course, as "science" will tell you do not last as long, so it would be nice to factor in a 50 year total cost of ownership, not a one-time purchase.
@@LordTimothyMcKay They use unrealistic load factor, as well as too long lifetime. Sometime also imaginary "cost of carbon".
@@erastvandoren makes sense. Lol. I mean, if you can't shame someone into following your green religion, I guess spouting lies and twisting facts is their only remaining option... hahahah
And by far the most polluting!
Love to see this guy debate Bjorn Lomborg.
I suspect many watching or commenting here have studied hard sciences or engineering. The language used by Wagner is that of a politician, so is his condescension. The nerve of using uncertain data and qualifying the other person's data as "19th century science". He is offensive and derisive when he addresses Koonan. Shameful display.
The boy is far too certain and arrogant, combined with veiled insults in the direction of Koonin, makes him implausible I’m afraid. And oh, he’s an economist?
Follow the Money!!!
and incentives
New need reasonable climate change initiatives. Invest in clean nuclear, geothermal, clean fossils.
Koonin looks so frustrated, like he's debating with a child.
Many thanks, a breath of fresh air
Wagner is an irritating young man.
Who funds the IPCc?
Politicians via our taxes but for their own good, not ours.
Dr Wagner has no clue about the science of the climate
I don't think anybody does. It's more complicated than making a computer impervious to malware, and nobody's figured out how to do that yet.
@@lk-music Right, nobody can predict the climate in x years.
@@lk-music we legitimately understand next to nothing about our own oceans. How ignorant and arrogant to assume we have the source of climate change pinned down whatsoever.
@@FecalMattur "If we convince people there's a problem, we can sell them our solution"
@@lk-music Agreed. Snake oil salesmen never disappeared.. they just evolved
"The word 'us' in the proposition makes it immoral."
Oh, we're debating morality? Wasn't this about climate change?
Without having any bias towards the details of either side, the economics sarcasm is - needlessly - off putting
An economist (Gernot Wagner) is in no position to "competently" engage in a "Climate Science" debate. Period. This is problem with the entire issue of climate change - WAY, WAY too many "experts" that have absolutely no clue about the engineering and physics behind the production of carbon emissions.
The context note is wrong wow no a big surprise but perhaps they should
Listen to this debate
well informed greta told them to walk
Climate Economist = Tarot Card reader
India uses about 1/4 of renewables in 2023.
Hybrids have done the calculations on how to attack poor nations.
Petrol Colonialism... great description of it. And it's a phrase that will resonate with many on the left who know the atrocities that went along with traditional Colonialism of the poorer nations. In many ways petrol Colonialism is worse b/c so much relies on oil and fossil fuels in the modern world, the historical Colonialism perpetrated against them took their freedoms and sovereignty.... petrol Colonialism does that to a degree but also completely stops their growth and in many areas will actually set them back.
Absolute nonsense! The Saudis greeted the American "petro- colonialism" with gifts!
You know what those gifts were at the time?
Goats!
Now their whole country's budget is based upon the extraction and selling of oil.
Not to mention that they run out of road space to road race their Ferraris and Lamborghinis.