Climate Science Debate: Campus Liberty Tour 2022 (U. of Maryland)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- A debate at the University of Maryland featuring: Steven Koonin, Ph.D, author of Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters, Daniel Schrag, Ph.D, Director of the Harvard University Center for the Environment and moderator Sarah Westwood, investigative reporter with the Washington Examiner and Tony Blankley Fellow with Steamboat Institute.
Debating the resolution:
“Climate science compels us to make large and rapid reductions in greenhouse gas emissions.”
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painful to listen to the claim that subsidized energy is cheap and no one blinks.
Great information and presentation by Dr. Koonin.
jbp brought me here
Shrag says that Spain "has" 40% wind and solar, well Im spanish and it is true that 40% of the energy that we PRODUCE comes from those sources, what he doesnt say is that we IMPORT a shitload of gas and oil from other countries, so our actual consumption is around 70% from fossil fuels, 14% from renewables and 12% from nuclear. Even if the 100% of our production was wind and solar, being optimistic it would still only cover around a 30% of the countrys energy demand, which keeps growing, and would rely almost the same on importing gas and oil. If not more because they are stupidly shutting down all the nuclear plants in the next years
In Germany all nuclear plants are already shutdown, we are Absurdistan.
No mention as to the upside of increased co2 . Re-greening of the planet inc. sub Saharan Africa and northern latitudes and improved crop yields etc when the world population has just crossed above 8 billion.
Video starts at 21:27 jfc.
Thank you for the timestamp. Way too much filler introduction before the debate
The tragedy is that this video only has 3000 views
Well, we have to share it and make it viral.
Let’s use a little logic, the permafrost was thawed during the medieval warm period. All those greenhouse gasses were in the atmosphere at that time. It was not a great issue then and wouldn’t my be now.
Sharag never never made connection of man made CO2 to climate.
This was a fantastic debate. Reasonable, rational, calm, good questions, good back and forth. Really well done. This deserves many many more views. Thanks for doing this, this is exactly the kind of thing we need.
Great job Dr. Koonin.
In order to just convert the transportation and heating sector to electric we would have to increase the grid in the order of 3-4X it's current size.
Just the labor involved in doing that would require expanding the electrical engineering work force in the order of 5-10X. Training times are in the order of 10 years. All of these imaginary workers, who would magically acquire the specialized skills overnight would have to work 24 hours a day, 365 days a year for 30 years to install the infrastructure to just convert transport and heating to electric.
First off where are we going to get all these electrical engineers, and specialized laborers? How are we going to train them quickly enough to implement net 0 by 2050?
And this hurdle is microscopic compared to all the material that will need to be mined, refined and transported to achieve this impossible target.
Is it clear yet that this is just another political scam with absolutely no chance of ever happening in the real world?
I can't understand why any creedence is given to any 'expert' that won't put their position out for debate...
🌱CO₂=LIFE🌱
You can start listening to this at around the 17-minute mark, when they begin introducing the speakers. Everything before that is blather by administrators congratulating themselves for their open-mindedness.
Thank you so much for hosting this. I've learned so much from this debate, helping me to refine and improve my understanding of the question. Much more than one-sided videos on either side.
62%??? Good lord
Good debate, no burning earth, and good moderator!
Too bad Daniel Schrag sounded like a politician - that ruined the debate. Koonin was the real man of Science here.
The flooding in Pakistan with so many displaced, was that an extream event or is it actually due to living and building in a known flood plane?
Scrap that, I paused it to make the comment and it was addressed straight after 😂
Daniel Schrag:
Putting a price on carbon is the best way to mitigate CO2 output and it's disastrous effects on the environment.
Well, Daniel, nowhere this has been done, has succeeded at
1. lowering their emissions
2. Not destroying their energy infrastructure
3. Transistioning effectively
Take California, Germany and Canada as 3 examples of this (many more examples exist.
California continues to have record droughts, record heat waves, brown outs etc.
How long before you eco doomsdayers admit you're wrong and fall on your swords of shame?
Honesty is beneath these ‘betters’.
The idea that CO2 is the problem only shows your lack of honest research
Dr. Koonin made his point, outstanding.
The climate modelers need to take an advanced statistics course. The models are wholly inaccurate. The statistical error associated with the models are entirely outside of the any reliable range.
What about the resources that are used to make batteries and wind mills, and the human and environmental waste that comes from them ?
Handy hint: Skip the 1st 21 minutes
No, BMW isn't abandoning the ICE. They may leave Germany but that's a totally different story.
Sounds like BASF is leaving Germany, and going to Louisiana for that very reason; energy.
I thought it was going to China!
43:30 I actually thought he was going to argue for nuclear, which would've been a somewhat valid point. Wind and solar are the cheapest? Give me a break.
al gore flew in on his private jet as helpful greta walked from the homeless shelter
If C02 lags temperature by 80 to 800 years how does it lead or cause temperature changes that is serious?
Yah, it's taking 'correlation does not imply causation' to new heights. If B follows A, then let's suppose A caused B, except in climate science, the supposition is that B causes A!
If more CO2 makes a hotter climate, then the resulting feedback loop would surely be a vicious circle, and the planet would have dust-bowled itself millions of years ago when there was 15 times as much of it in the air as there is today.
koonin rules
john kerry being a great statesman donated 1 bottle of ketchup
the numbers are in, 1 billion dollars gets you 1 millionth of a degree temperature reduction. so cost of reducing 1 degree of warming is 1000 trillion dollars - 20 times world annual gdp
It’s all about the money..
Also ideological and control from an elite.
Nuclear is the only answer atm so spend your time getting this happening. Case closed.
Adopting nuclear will make Eastern US, East China, Indian summers much hotter. SO2/ aerosol masking effect from burning coal would vanish. Nuclear is great if you love hot summers.
…or geothermal, but that's just as expensive to implement.
Co2 warms logarithmically. So e drone can relax and take a poop
Show ice calling! That makes for good media bites.
Sorry to explore some not so fair dicussion/argument in debate that shall be based on knowledge and facts, not faking and tricking the audience.
One example out of many: vind and solar need a rotating mass from neuclar/gas to keep the system frekvence stable. This cost must be incuded in vind and solar othervice you do not have a functional system. That was not calculated into tha actual argument, proves a low level of debate is still reality.
Is this after the neanderthal saga or second generations
Just the idea from Koonin that global warming, even at its upper limits, will be limited to 10% of GDP is totally absurd. In the worst case scenarios (~6C) the authors of the IPCC reports are clear, the changes to the planet are nearly apocalyptic. All countries in a very large band around the equator, up to countries in the southern united states, become uninhabitable desert, floods ane heatwaves become more extreme, and we start experiencing brand new superstorms a category stronger than anything we've seen before. Do these people think we're going to relocate everything to Greenland? We are talking about a migration crisis that will start major wars.
And we're not just talking about another 1 degree of warming similar to what we already have. As climate scientists painstakingly repeat, over and over, temperature changes have NONLINEAR effects on the climate. Its not just the increased severity of thunderstorms and heat waves, but we are talking about the very real danger of hitting major tipping points near the 1.5 and 2 C degrees of warming areas, which is why we're trying hard to stay under them. Once those tipping points are gone, we will be in the 3 and 4 degree range, which open us up to even more dangerous tipping points....once you hit 6 C the danger is the release of trapped methane in the oceans, which will massively increase global average temperature. We'll be completely screwed. 10% of GDP is fantastical nonsense at worst, and dangerously misleading at best.
Germany does not have a great record, just look in the past….