Victorinox Farmer Field Test.
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- I put my new Victorinox Farmer (S.A.K.) through it's paces with some ACTUAL hard use by building a thatched survival shelter. All the wood used was hazel which quickly regrows. See how this excellent little Swiss Army Knife copes with this challenging field test. I think it is a better bushcraft knife than many being brandished as such.
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It is not the tool that is impressive but it is the instructor who is very skilled.
High praise indeed Tuan! Thank you, and thank you for watching my video.
Vinnie again you have demonstrated the usefulness of the pocket knife, I to have used the Farmer and found it an excellent allrounder. I agree it would be even more better with an extra knife blade such as found on the Huntsman, possibly with the addition of a sewing eye as found on the back tools of Victorinox knives. Totally agree in your judgement of Victorinox steel, aye its not a super steel but it is easy to get back to shaving sharpness.All viewers should appreciate the honesty you portray in your videos, it is exemplary and you really show how it is warts and all. I wish other channels would be as honest instead of just repeating the usual mantras which as you have demonstrated are codswallop. The knife you have on you at the time of a crisis is a survival knife. I will be showing my Father this film and I know he will agree with what you demonstrate in such an honest and factual non-commercial way and he will appreciate your comment (he recently turned 88 and always carries a pocket knife on his person). Thanks again for blowing away the myths and smoke and mirrors of those who have sold their souls to commercialism and advertising. All the best from Scotland and thanks again for sharing Vinnie. Garry
Thanks Garry. I really did think you said it all in that comment. i don't know what your dad will make of this Irish fool!
Well said.
The Swiss Army 7 , that was sold under the name (Harvester) some years ago, is the same as the Farmer, but with a hawkbill blade, instead of the can opener. Also ,it has much better ergos, because it lacks the keyring. IMO, it is a better, more suitable bushcraft knife, than the farmer is, because of the 2nd blade and the better handle ergos! Cheers
@@greekveteran2715 I love the look of the Rancher, Electrician alox. But usually want a keyring on a SAK(have a few). There are a lot of comments on youtube from people who mention that they lost their SAK, and maybe even lost the replacement! In many cases they had a keyring, but they didn't attach some baling twine:). I look on it as an insurance policy. My calloused paws don't notice the keyring anyway. I'd want a dedicated pouch/deep closeable pocket for any model without a lanyard. Stay safe whatever your preferred carry.
@@jgreystoke How on Earth, you use a pocket knife with calloused paws? My palms are also calloused, but I can tell the difference between the 2 handles, especially while using them for bushcraft tasks. It's obvious, that everybody has his own needs, his own tastes and his own point of view. That doesn't change the fact, or even affect in any way, that what I said, is 100% true. The Farmer provides more overall utility as an edc tool, compared to the Harvester, but the Harvester makes for a better overall pocket knife for bushcraft use. PS What you said about the " a lot of comments, complaining that they have lost their SAKS because of the absence of a keyring feature, is actually not true. Some people yes, but not "a lot" . In the contrary. I have seen a lot of people, complaining, about the bad position of the keyring feature, that destroes the already limmited handle ergos, that all the folding knives provide, compared to fixed blades. That being said, I agree, that nothing is perfect in life and we can never have it all, we always have to sacrifice something! However, since the originall Alox moldels, came without the keyring feature and the fact, that "old is gold". that also proves my theory as 100 true. You too sir, stay safe !
This video taught me to never complain about the weight and room a tarp takes up in your pack.
Yup. It takes a lot of work and proper materials to make a waterproof shelter
Blake839 - I’m not sure if that was the point. I cannot build a house from nothing. I need materials, like a tarp. My point was that inferior materials build inferior shelters so the lesson is always carry what you need to simplify your task. Just trying to clarify where I was heading with my statement. Sometimes a couple of simple items can save you lots of work.
I aint seen anyone, even on youtube build these levels of shelter with a UK legal slipjoint. By that i mean under 3" of knife that is non-locking. I will go as far to say as, simply the best on TH-cam.
Thanks very much. The problem is most TH-camrs spend more time talking than doing. 👍
Victorizox knives are so well built that you can get a lot of "bigger knife" work from a small frame like the Farmer. Well done video, as you showed how strong and versatile the Farmer really is. Thank you!
Yep. It is a very solid little knife and the saws give them the power to do bigger tasks as well as making them very suitable for crafting and making things. Thank you for watching and for your kind comment.
Greetings from Denmark. I appreciate your uploads very much. What a lot of work that goes into your projects and on top of that the filming, audio and editing. Truly impressive and inspiring. I especially enjoy your honest presentations where you take us back and revisit your shelters during rain, storm and cold. You truly put your money where your mouth is. Thank you for sharing. I take great comfort in your showing, that even smaller traditional folders that we might actually carry in our daily life is up to the task if matters gets serious suddenly. That and of course the knowledge to use them and the natural resources of the land. A knowledge you also share abundantly. Thanks again!
By the way: chuckled inside at your comment of feeling 'soft' after night shifts. Spot on description of that feeling I know all too well! Take care!
I sometimes wonder why I do so much work for the very modest success I get on TH-cam but then every now and then I get a comment like yours that makes it all worthwhile. Thank you very much, you are a gentleman.
I carry a Victorinox SAK Camper with wood saw but very much like these two in your video field test review.
If I were a wealthier man I'd also own the Victorinox SAK Farmer.
The #7 alox Harvester is also nice utility tool but lacks the can opener that I actually use more often than one may think necessary.
This was another well made educational & entertaining video Vinnie.
Thank You brother.
If you haven't seen it, the Felix Immler Channel on TH-cam has impressive tutorials using many different Victorinox SAK models for projects.
Useful little knives. You just have to pick the model that suits you. The screwdrivers/can openers are handy for all kinds of prying etc. I can't understand why Victorinox never released a simple can opener with a stainless handle like a butter knife. It would be so much simpler and better than most can openers on the market. Thanks for watching Andrew 👍
At last a channel showing practical use. Brilliant and enjoyable. Keep em coming.
Mandeep
I know what you mean. I got frustrated watching coffee tables so that's where my channel came from. Thanks for watching.
You're the man Vinnie. Great teacher.
Thanks very much indeed 👍👍
I live in northern Canada and have carried one of these for almost 15 years. I hunt, fish, and explore the backcountry on a daily basis, often with no gear other than this knife. I have even field dressed a few deer with it. I almost had it confiscated while attending a hocky game in Edmonton last year, so I've recently switched to the "Hiker". Its easyer to replace, just as capable, and the spare blade + Philips driver is handy.
They are a very useful little tool for sure 👍
I've used that awl A THOUSAND times in the 37 years I've had my Victorinox Pioneer. The Pioneer does not have a saw. I LOVE this knife. My house can opener passed to its Reward a few days after I got my Pioneer back in 1986 or thereabouts. So I used the can opener on the knife. Never looked back. Never bought another can opener.
I never understood why Victorinox never sold a can opener. The SAK can opener mounted on a stainless handle for kitchen use would have sold like hot cakes
Another fine presentation. I like your wit and honesty. See you in the next video.
Ta very much! I certainly hope so.
thanks Vinnie; your videos are great!
Glad you like them!
very nice to see a real bushcraft video, thank you friend for keeping it real and honest...great work
Thanks for watching and for your kind comment
OMG, the dipper at 37 minutes! One of my favorite birds.
Thank you Vinnie for this video, I think it's the most informative review of the Farmer knife that I have seen. I will be adding one of these to my little Victorinox collection. Cheers, buddy.
Thank you for watching and for your kind words David. Much appreciated
Great video and excellent work on the shelter - I have one of these farmers and now realise just what it's capable of! Thanks again and best wishes.
Thank you very much indeed! As I try to show in my videos a simple pocket knife can do a great deal of work for you and the Farmer is a good knife
As a new sub, I thank you for such an honest revue and for showing me what can be achieved with a simple pocket knife with the knowledge.
Thank you very much Les!
Thanks for making these videos Vinnie, one of my favorites!
Yet another channel with a name cooler than mine☹️. Why does this keep happening to me?? You are very welcome my friend, indeed thank you so much for watching my video. I take it you are from down under?
Oregon coast, United States. I saw a wallaby in person one time and have been partial ever since 😄. I personally like your channel name, it relays a sense of calm and goes well with your relaxed approach to what you are demonstrating. Give your dog a pat for me, he seems like a good one!
@@ironwallaby8189 He's a good little fella and I have a little Jack Russell female to keep him company now. I have been wandering the countryside with a dog since I was a very small boy and having their company is an important part of my life. Once again thank you and stay safe and healthy
Your sharpening kit is outstanding! Ultra light weight small and obviously gets the job done. I’m going to make one.
Great vid and review. I’ll be putting a farmers knife in my kit. Thanks for all the information.
You are very welcome indeed. Thank you for watching and for your kind comment. I appreciate it very much.
Excellent video. I’m now going to buy one.
It's a good knife. Thanks for watching ☺
Love your videos Vinnie! I think I have watched them all at least twice (maybe more, haha). Keep up the good work! Practical, traditional, outdoorsman such as yourself are a hard to find amongst all the people with their expensive kits and fancy equipment. You have proven once again that simple tools and the experience of trial and error can provide a lot of knowledge and enjoyment in the outdoors.
Well you learn from failure Brad but I don't know that I always enjoy the failure :-). About the fancy equipment and expensive kits that seems to be the way TH-cam has gone. Years ago people made things and did stuff, now the just waddle into camp and start doing an infomercial.
Thank you for taking the time and effort to put the knife thru real-world use in the bush. So many other reviewers demonstrate their knives by performing a few tasks with pre-cut pieces of wood. You however, built an entire bushcraft shelter with yours!
I think both of us are tired of those reviewers Gary. Thank you very much 👍
I love watching Vinnie do these slipjoint vids . It really shows just what you can do with the basics .I’ve done the full circle . Started off with a slipjoint as a kid . Went through lock knives to Bowie’s . Then on to woodlore style knives and axes . Then back to slip joints ,and an Enzo Elver . I’ve just ordered a Victorinox electrician alox as for me I need the wharncliffe more than the saw . Great video Vinnie 👍.
Thank you sir. I did much the same myself. I found the thin bladed folders do knife stuff as well or better than a large fixed blade. I like my hatchets for heavier work though
Awesome video Vinnie. Brilliant shelter build video, as always. You certainly put that pocket knife through its paces. Very impressive that you can construct a shelter like that just from using a small pocket knife like that. Makes you think what it is you really need to survive. Thanks for the shoutout Vinnie, very much appreciated. Thanks for sharing. Atb Shaun
Thanks Shaun. If you watch Game of Thrones you know a Lannister always pays their debts, well so does Vinnie. You did not have to mention me in your last video and you certainly did not have to show footage from my channel and I was very honoured that you did, so thank you very much indeed.
Hi from South Africa Vinny. Great videos & l love your dogs.
I'm a knife user, not collector, carried & used a knife in the bush since a little boy. I still have my 1st proper knife, a Carl Shiler stockman, in perfect working order & in use - I'm 72 now.
The best knife is the one you have on you when you need it!
Now mainly carry & use a Swiss Army Knife on a daily basis, if you want to see what can be done with a SAK, have a look at the videos of Felix Imler.
Thanks very much Tony.
Thank you very much for your time and showing us the truth
well that was a very interesting video some one useing a swiss army knife for a change instead of just showing what knife got well done love your little jack russell .
Thank you very much. I became tired of videos without demonstration so I decided to make my own 🙂. Thanks for watching
This channel is class - thanks for the great content!
The viewers are also class it would seem FP 🙂. Thank you very much indeed 👍
Thanks again Vinnie. Another great one.
Alain
Thank you for watching Alain. 👍
Nice job on the shelter Vinnie. I've owned several Victorinox knives down through the years and have found them to be very reliable. A good knife will always have a strong pivot point with little wobble. Thanks for the video!
And thank you for watching Tim. Your comment ended up in the "likely spam" folder for some reason and I only found it now
You have a good helper
I surely do. Thank you 🙂
Nicely presented.....enjoyed the video. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for your kind comment and for watching David. I appreciate it. 🙂
I concur, that is a pleasantly round hole.
Nice job with the thatching mate, from someone that loves big blades I am always impressed with what you achieve with so little.
I grew up in Ireland in "the good old days" and we learned the motto, "you can do absolutely anything with F*** all!
Well done sir. Best of luck to you and Dyson.
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Great video, congratulations!
the great tools are your skills, brain and will to make a shelter
Thank you very much 👍
Excellent video and Dyson adds extra entertainment. Great shelter experiment! I also have the farmer X great knife!
Thank you very much sir 🙂👍
I really enjoyed watching your test. You speak very calmly and you seem very professional. I stay one day every week in the forest. I take a Fallkniven F1, a Wenger alox soldier knife and a Victorinox Rangergrip 79 and a honing stone. For me It works well. I use the Wenger as a small utility blade. The Rangergrip I carry for the saw and the F1 for everything else making fire or build something. Keep up the good work!
Thank you very much Lev 🙂 👍
Great video! Well down!
Thank you very much Jack 👍
Hi Vinnie Mark here, I just recently got a swiss farmer and I like it even better than the locking swiss especially when you were impressed with it, I'm no where near as good as you with any knife but like your ideas
Hi Mark. It is a really convenient pocket knife. Neither too big nor too small eh?
lovely scenes
Thank you my love. We hope we'll see you soon.
Excellent video my friend.
I enjoy seeing true to life. I will be putting a SAK farmer on the want list.
I have used folding knives for lots of tasks over the years. I have carried a pocket knife of some sort since I was 8 years old. Thats 42 years ago. I can carry one more places than a 5 inch sheath knife.
Hi John. Thank you for watching my ravings my American friend! I am a couple of years older than you and I thought you were a good deal younger as you are very fresh looking. The Farmer is a very useful package for the outdoors with the tools it has. If you wanted to run off to the woods the Rangergrip would be the one but if you want a not too big pocket knife that can still do a lot of work for you the Farmer is a nice knife. I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do or carry I'm just trying to fight back against some of the silly Wikipedia style knife knowledge on TH-cam but then a man like you will know what folders will do anyway.
Great video thanks for sharing. I have been carrying a Farmer off and on for years and would consider it a survival knife.
Thanks for watching 👍. It is indeed a capable knife.
I don't know whats more impressive?
That the farmer endured every task you could throw at it? or,
That you endured using it as a survival knife without a glove! (I must be really really soft in my old age! lol) - there must have been at least a few hotspots? I say that as a proud owner & user of the Alox Farmer.
Thanks for a job well done👍
Not only was it a great video - It had important content!
I know alot more now than I did yesterday...
Take Care Buddy!
I found the farmer to be perfectly comfortable and I have to say many folders will hurt your hand, often the spare blades will dig into your fingers. I'm glad you enjoyed the show and thank you very much for watching my friend. I appreciate it a lot. 👍
Really helpfull, enjoyable video. Thank you
Thanks very much indeed Arwin, and thank you for watching 👍
Excited to see you posted another video this am.. I couldnt wait to watch so I delayed cutting firewood... Awesome video... Ill probably watch it again later!👍
I can't remember if I have already promoted you to head pleasing comment maker but consider yourself promoted now JH :-) Thank you very much bud.
@@vinniesdayoff3968 im honored lmfao!! Keep the videos coming
. The content and presentation is a breath of fresh air!
Unbelievable man!
Thanks Vlad ☺👍
Your dog is very cute.
Great film Vinnie, l carry the old German army penknife in my bits and bobs bag and it’s a great knife however after watching you I feel its time for an upgrade ...As always immensely enjoyable to watch and enjoy particularly your comments on the modern bushcrafter ....not many out there like you mores the pity regards Mick
Ta Mick, I'm like a dinosaur or maybe a dodo? :-) Thanks for stopping by Mick.
I carry the variant without the sawblade every day for over 30 years now. It is a dutch military issued knife variant. I will carry it for the rest of my life too. Next to that I have a big Wenger with a great saw blade (over 20 years old now), but that is to big for every day carry. Great demonstration of skill and knowlegde. Like the way you keep on trying stuff to get it better.
Thank you very much. It's a great little knife
Your videos are very instructive, Vinnie. More content of shelter building and the like would be great.
One chap told me I just did the same thing in every video . I suppose he had a point but who else builds survival shelters with a penknife eh? I will have a couple of more shelter videos coming in the not too distant future FP. Thanks for the kind comment 👍
@@vinniesdayoff3968 I'd say stick with it. There's a new video by TA outdoors where he uses a Swiss army knife for camp craft projects.
Your military surplus videos are great too for those, like me, who enjoy thriftier options.
I just ordered a Farmer based on your channel, I am starting a Bushcraft course. The thicker blade and heavy owl that’s a good combo for Bushcraft.
Hi Don. Thank you very much indeed. I perhaps think a bit differently from many bushcrafter and some knife channels on TH-cam. In my experience a thicker blade make the knife worse at slicing through material and therefore a worse knife. If you are batoning and hammering on it then yes, you obviously need a thicker blade but for the normal slicing and cutting that you will use a pocket knife for you will find the thinner blade sharper and easier to cut with. This is easily proven to yourself if you take knives, some thick and some thin bladed, and try slicing through a branch.
Agree. The punch on the farmer is in a more useful position than on the back.
The punch is good for letting out (or taking in) your belt, hole a tarp for a rope or bungie cord hook, (fold the material double or triple below the hole so it doesn't pull out) can be used as an awl/scribe, assist untying knots, remove thorns from bicycle and motorcycle tires (hopefully before they hole the tubes), help scrape thorns and slivers to where they can be grabbed by tweezers or pliers, cut packing tape (including the nylon reinforce packing tape), scape grease, scrape paint and calking and remove the tabs holding the glass in, if/when you have to reglaze a window, clean/clear screw slots, drill holes in wood and most plastics ... good for lots of things. The punch is my most used 4 blade Scout/Camp knife blades :)
The only thing the Farmer lacks to be "ideal" (for an ALOX SAK) is the scissors, which are on the Farmer X. I prefer the Huntsman, with the multipurpose corkscrew, and the tweezers and toothpick. I don't know why Victorinox sees fit to exclude side tools on the ALOX models ... at least those available in North America.
Nice video vinney. Amazing what you can do with a small knife
Well I had an excellent strop Chris so that helps :-)
@@vinniesdayoff3968 glad to hear you like it and it has been useful
I bought the Farmer yesterday as a pocket knife for day hikes etc in case I needed to fill my nano firebox with kindle or as a back up knife to my heavier fixed blade....but this video has proven its capabilities far beyond that, and as long as you keep it regularly sharpened if using for heavier work, then as you have demonstrated, this knife will perform many of the tasks usually associated with bahco's and heavier fixed blade knives. Great review.
Thank you 👍 A few simple techniques will let you do a great deal of work despite what many say on TH-cam. Thanks for watching and for your kind comment
I always have a SAK Huntsman or old 4 blade "Boy Scout" knife in my pocket, no matter what other slipjoint(s) I have with me.
Those self appointed "experts" who claim you can't build a shelter with a slipjoint, or use a slipjoint (or a knife without a "super steel" blade) for bushcraft or survival don't have a clue about what they are doing or talking about.
While I know they are capable, I too would like to see you do a review of a standard Mora Number 1 or Number 2 with the carbon steel blade.
Hi Steve. Your wish is my command! I used the Mora no. 1 in this video th-cam.com/video/pCijWbIXdPY/w-d-xo.html.
Thanks for teaching me how to use a pocket knife. 🤩
You are welcome
Nice video Brother!👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you sir!☺
No matter what other knife I might be carrying, I always have my Alox Farmer with me. Over the years I've used some variant of an SAK with a sawblade more than any other tool. I've used them hard on construction jobs and have one that I've had for 30 years. A great tool!
Rodger that Ronnie. The saw is most useful, that's what I meant when I said it would be a very good bushcraft knife. Bushcraft to me means making stuff. I love the awl too. Thanks for watching and commenting.
GD said it all. A normal penknife was all a lot of country people had short of carrying a billhook around all day.
I notice the technique you have of bending the hazel poles when you cut them is what we used to do as kids in the '50s and '60s, the pressure on the grain and cutting down it allows you to make a much bigger cut, even works with oak saplings. Most of us had a Rogers or Richards penknife up to about 3" or something similar and usually with a tin plate, celluloid covered handle , I also had an old sheeps foot penknife with that black hard rubber for grips. As kids we did everything with those knives cut sticks , built camps, dug potatoes and cooked with them, so I'd say yes your Alox Farmer is a survival knife, if it's in your pocket when you need it you can get by with it.
I still have an old brown plastic covered Richards knife from the '50s in a drawer here somewhere.
Are you going to replace the herb willow or add something to it?
Hmmm. Chris Osh said it all too! I might have been making a mess of it by referring to it as rosebay willowherb all the way through.I had three or four different types of willowherb mixed in. I would love to give the rosebay another run just to show what happens, but it's dying back, I'm working this week and going to Mallorca the next week. If it is still there when I get back I might give it a go Chris. Your childhood sounds like mine! It sounds like my adulthood too now that I think about it :-)
I don't know if you know Mallorca well Vinnie, I lived there for two years, refitting my brothers boat, if you are going to be based near Palma, the train ride to Soller is a great little day out. Soller has a nice beach, nice cafes and restaurants.
Your video has made me think about how I could build a shelter here on mainland Spain, no grass or rushes for roofing, but there is a kind of cane that grows in every watercourse whether it's wet or dry. It grows to about 4 metres and I know it is quite flexible. When I get a chance I will have to go and cut some and give it a try.
My childhood was great, we lived on the edge of the London suburbs and had loads of countryside, my life was outdoors as a kid and luckily it has not changed too much.
Sounds like a big boat Chris! We are going to Cala D'or. I don't like too much travelling on holidays. I'm naturally lazy. If you had a good layer of cane at a good slant I can't see what could possibly go wrong. Oh no.... I just jinxed it. But seriously I would imagine it would work. There is only one way to find out though.
Cala D'Or is very pretty, nice swimming and snorkeling and a nice little beach, it's on the other side of the island from Soller. The temperatures are dropping in Spain at the moment so it should be a lot more comfortable, it's been very hot this year.
Have a good relaxing holiday Vinnie.
My brother had a 57' steel sailing yacht, we had to replace 55% of the hull, redesigned the master cabin, turned two aft cabins into a stateroom, built a workshop, new deck, refurbed the masts when we discovered the makers wanted tens of thousands to do the work and so on. It was good experience and interesting. Everything that goes on a yacht, even if it's identical to a car part is super expensive, the only other way to spend money that fast is to have six wives.
we were there twice Chris. I spend all day snorkeling with the fish. That sounds like quite a yacht. Holy God if you had six wives you would be too busy arguing with them to spend money!
Well, speaking as someone who owns and carries two of them (one for work and one not), and who has the misfortune to live in the UK, that's my default survival knife.
Would I prefer a fixed blade knife? Yep.
Do I need one?
Frankly, No.
If someone can't do a few days with just a Farmer, they really need to raise their game.
Hi bud. Well it's a nice little knife anyway and I think it has good tools for the countryside. Thank you for watching and for your comment
Wow this was a very well done, and all with two Swiss Army Knifes. The real joy was seeing a skilled bushman at work. The big needle was impressive. If you have a website please share if you don’t mind. Many thanks from Colorado. Cheers!
Hi Don. Thank you very much for your kind comment. That was only one Swiss Army knife the Farmer being used.
absolutely love the alox swiss army knives, sadly in the UK this is about the limit of what you can carry so its nice to see it being put through its paces. I love my mora but am always mindful about where i carry and use it. stay safe brother.
Thank you very much. Knee jerk knife laws are a pain in the behind for law abiding citizens and the stabbings go on unabeted.
I find that the saw is better at notching , and trap building, but very capable at larger task too, I've carried the Farmer for nearly 15 years. my favorite pocket knife for the field by far, and it allows me to keep my fixed blade sharp and ready for skinning and such,,
You are like myself Jacob, I carry one knife to use and one kept sharp for hunting etc. Thanks for watching
Alox "Swiss Army 7" is the perfect pocket bushcraft/survival tool - accept no substitutes.
It's very hard to argue with that statement ☺
I would have purchased that rather than a Farmer but for one annoying point, here in the UK we're limited to 7.62cm (3 in) blade length,
Vinnie -- I lost track of your channel for a while, glad I found you again. I enjoy watching your skilled endeavors and your honest reviews. The countryside there looks very rugged and remote but also very inviting. I'd be curious to know if it is your property, or that of a neighbor, or public land, or ??? (Of course, only if you feel comfortable revealing those details.) Looking forward to your next adventure...
A little bit of everything William. Some of the shelters were built on my fathers farm and some on neighbours properties. Some of the areas I walk through are state forestry. Not really public land like you guys have in the States but open to the public if that makes sense.
I really like your rucksack sharpening kit, impressive ability for such a lightweight set up.
I have managed to make warm waterproof shelters using bracken when I was in the scouts, but I only slept in them for a weekend, I don't think they're durable long term, which is probably why they were never used for long term shelter. If there's nothing else about you can keep yourself warm and dry with them.
We used to thatch one end too, but we had very cheap sleeping bags!
Thank you Simon. It is handy to touch up the edge alright. Building the shelter gives a good demonstration of what the knife can do
@@vinniesdayoff3968 It's amazing what good knowledge, experience and a positive attitude can do.
We really don't need these £300 half inch thick batonning wedge sheath knives to build shelters, traps, and dress game.
@@71simonforrester say it ain't so Simon!! 😆😆
Great video, I use the soldier great all round knife , new sub here keep up the good work
I just received my Farmer three days ago. I must admit I'm really enjoying it . I also own the ranger grip 78 and the Trekker. I've wanted the Alox farmer ever since I first saw one. What made me first want it other than it looks was the similarity to the US demo knife. as far as I'm concerned the demo knife would be perfect if it had a saw blade. The Farmer has the tools I need.
I wanted one from the first time I saw one too. Great little knife
Top man! 🇬🇧
Thanks David. I don't know what is happening with TH-cam but I am only now finding comments from some time ago. My apologies
Watching you practice good safety procedures as you struggled with a few difficult cuts, it brought to mind the usefulness of a one hand opening knife blade. I believe the law in your area does not allow the carrying of one hand openers...too bad. Ruike has a couple of SAK type knives with and without the one hand openers, but also slightly more sturdy and better steel...something to check out for your followers. The Farmer SAK is IMO one of the best pocketable knives in the world. Just for giggles, check out Ruike multi tools. Thanks again for your video & the work you put into them. ( I've been waiting for this one).
Again I learn from the comments Richard. I had not heard of Ruike and I will check them out. We cannot carry any knife without "good reason" . There is no distinction made for one handed opening knives or length of blade in the Republic of Ireland. A tiny knife is the same as a katana in the eyes of the law. In practise though it is enforced only if someone is causing trouble, at least in my experience. Thanks for watching and for your information.
LOL! "Not exactly Valyrian Steel"! Awesome shelter build Vinnie! That thatch is some great rain barrier material. I've always been a big SAK fan. Edge retention isn't a strong point though but at least they're easy to sharpen. Atb Sean
Guess who likes Game Of Thrones Sean? Thanks for taking the time to watch and make a comment. I have been thinking a lot about steels lately. I love and am impressed by hard steels but do we really need very hard? Also ease of resharpening is useful. I still don't know
Really enjoyed ur video , the farmer performed excellent imo . 😉thx vin. By the way you have a good steady terrier , if i don' t constantly keep one eye on my 2 fell's they get themselves and me in trouble 😂but thats why i like them ...never a dull moment 😉
Thanks very much Ed. The Swiss Army Knives with a saw punch way above their weight in terms of the work they can do. Dyson is a good little lad, he knows we will be hunting and getting up to stuff eventually so he keeps an eye on me :-)
I always have a huntsman in my pocket really great little folder 👍i myself like to do rats with my boys and from time to time me mate lends my choc fell for more serious work , he a good game and clever relaxed worker . 😉
Dyson is my gundog with the shotgun and my blood tracking dog with a harness for deer hunting. He is my mouse detector in the garage etc.
Only complaint I have with my Farmer is the steel. I get a massive wire edge on it after sharpening that is hard to remove. Stropping with a ceramic stone works though. The newest version they have on the website has scissors, I have often missed just that. But I decided instead of getting the new Farmer, to get a Classic SD as a grooming tool.
A fine survival knife, the SD. I may just be planning a video 🙂
@@vinniesdayoff3968 The Classic SD deserves a 3pt video on shelter building, fighting off animals and splitting wood.
i use a modified hiker... the opener layer and screwdriver removed to thin it out and scales replaced with some epoxy resin mixed with charcoal... disappears in the pocket, 2 blades, saw and awl/sewing eye... best part is its fully legal uk carry... i midified mine as the only thing close to what i wanted was the walker, but thats just an 84mm 1 blade 1 combi tool short saw model... my 91mm hiker has about 5 extra teeth on the saw...
Cool! You sound like a doggedly determined person. Not everyone would go to that trouble to get what suits them.
i have made and modified many a bushcraft item... i know what i like, and if i cant find it i will do my best to get what i want... i started off with a big blade i made from o1 tool steel... 5mm thick 350mm long... more of a pain to carry but it does everything with ease... switched to my hiker and never looked back at fixed blades... im able to achieve what i need with my little vic and i get the bonus of being able to have it with me at all times... i enjoy making my items mine and improving things to suit my needs
I love knives but like you I find the big ones awkward to carry and apart from chopping they don't cut much better than a small knife
If I was planning to build a survival shelter, I’d take a decent axe, saw and sheathknife, but if I had that level of forward planning, I’d book a hotel room or at least take a tent, but in an emergency, you use what’s in your pockets.
I would too. I am not a believer in the one tool option knife. I just get a kick out of making these videos because so many "experts" say it can't be done, and I'm nothing special. Sure you did the same thing as a kid. Maybe they should consult with a few old style country kids before they come out with their bull
vinniesdayoff they just want to flog you a $1,000 bug out kit!
@@slick_slicers Stop now! Don't get me started. I heard that various governments were advising people to have a kit or bag ready for emergencies some years ago and I thought it was a good idea. I started looking on TH-cam and most of the videos are more bull, full of things you don't need and full of dollar store rubbish and having nothing you would need like ooh, food for instance. Or a proper sleeping bag. Or a sleeping mat. They recommend rubbish bags as rain wear and carry plastic bags to "improvise" shelters. If they are planning it why not bring a proper shelter? I tell you there is so much nonsense on TH-cam and precious little logic
I really enjoyed this .I think if you had a a couple of weeks to do it you could probably make a nice survival cabin with a tached roof I dont doubt that . And yes it is a survival knife it was designed for it after all . I keep the same knife in my jacket pocket attached to a 2 foot paracord loop with a fero rod on the other end that's my urban survival kit . When I'm in the woods I like to mess around with my kukris just because I like them and you never know when you might have to deal with ninjas 🤣
I too have a kukri and because we have all watched the Last Samurai we know that ninjas can strike anytime anywhere ☺☺
I've noticed Vinnie your still using the orange bailing twine you purchased at the hardware store. I think its working great, durable, strong and affordable.
Hi Tim. I go through quite a bit of twine in the course of a year but , and I'm not exaggerating here, that roll will last me for years and years. Thanks for dropping in my friend.
The Canadian making feathersticks with a stationary axe reminds me of India, where people hold the knife by the handle (obviously) between their toes, or on a stand, and pull the meat through it, so they manipulate the object they are cutting, and not the knife. It is very efficient.
Sounds interesting Mat. Have you spent time there?
Great video! I really like the Farmer. The closest I've found to a Farmer with 2 blades is the Hiker, but it has an inferior awl to that found on the Farmer.
Thanks Joe. I answered you from another account by mistake earlier. Have you made your arrows yet?
Vinnie- I have to get going on the arrows. Last week, my mom had to go in for emergency surgery. She'll be 99 in November. She's doing fine, but I've been staying home, every day, getting her back on her feet. Missed the deer opener today too, but things are slowly getting back to normal, and I plan to complete the video. It's over half done now, as I shot another segment before the blood clot incident.
I did it again Joe. answered from another account. I know what you are dealing with as I have been through similar times. I wish your mum a speedy recovery and the best of luck to yourself and your family
She's doing great, so I informed her I'll be going hunting at least twice this week, lol! I put my sister on notice she'll have to be available while I'm gone. I've never gotten a deer in September.
@@MrOtterdude I hope everything went well for your Mom.
You Canadians indeed are such lovely, gentle sounding blokes!
I'm Irish ☘️☘️
@@vinniesdayoff3968 I apologise, that's such big mistake at my end!! I'm embarassed, and I feel like a complete idiot! Nevertheless, it's quite nice to watch your videos.
@@saviom8166 No problem at all and thank you very much. Some of the people from Newfoundland sound very like the Irish
@@vinniesdayoff3968 Yes, that's why I had thought this; there's an SAK reviewer from Newfoundland that I thought sounded a bit like you. I am glad I wasn't as off as I feared. Thanks for informing me.
The only things that can not be done with the tools you have is what you do not want to do - there is always a way, as long as you know how to use what you have and you know the limitations of what you have.
The easy is done immediately, the difficult just takes a little longer, and impossible just takes a little longer still....
I like your style
Vinnie'sDayoff you might want to check out the all new victorinox farmer x it's the very same but it's got ✂️ and 🪚 Vinny hope we see more Swiss army knife videos from you because hand's down 🙌 this has to be the best Swiss army knife video on TH-cam 👍
Thank you very much indeed William. I hope to get back into a few videos soon.
great video, thx you :-)
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching :-) 👍
think the best victorinox, will be a a "hercules" with alox :-)
It certainly would be formidable!
The Farmer with Cellidor scales would be more affordable for me.
I really enjoy your videos, great job!
btw is Dyson a full jack Russell or terrier mix? Cracking little dog!
Thanks so much Thomas. Dyson is 3/4 Parson Jack Russell and 1/4 traditional Jack Russell
I feel a Survival Knife most of the Time ends up bieng the Knife that One has when there is Troubles..I read that in a Book by Steven Dick about Folding Knives
I must have a look for that book Pete. Thank you very much
The best survival knife is the one you have at that time....and the best sharpener is the Swiss army ......because it always in my pocket.
Wise words 🙂
I love the knife, I have two of them, but why oh why did that keyring have to point upwards and dig right into your palm when working with it? The red scaled SAKs have a key ring that is oriented slightly backwards, which is much more comfortable.
I did not notice the keyring myself, perhaps we have different shaped hands? Thanks very much for your comment 👍
I've seen videos (maybe Felix Immeler) where they rounded the edges of the key ring eye off to stop it being uncomfortable.
Vinnie, Have you ever considered a review of Mora Knives. I would like to see how they fair in the field under bushcraft use. Thanks.
Hi Tim let me ponder on that.
hi, recently i bought swiss army knife classic sd red tiny knife. may i know is this suitable for as backup knife in E&E situation
I think they are too small Hussain and my one came not very sharp. for any kind of outdoor use I would go for something a bit bigger. Having said that I have been asked to use one in a video so that will be my next video. Stand by for further developments 🙂
Victorinox Harvester (Army 7) is far better than the Farmer, as a bushcraft tool. Better ergos, plus one more shorter hawkbil blade and a couple of gramms lighter too!! IMO the best, is the 111mm Rucksack. The newer versions, like the Forester, trekker etc, are more robust, but the tools (blade and saw) don't cut as good as the Rucksasck, also the handle ergos, are better on the Rucksack, which is so much lighter than the others. Tip: Stay away from 1 hand opeing models, because you can't really grip on the handle, when using the saw, at least not even close, on how comfortable and secure, is the grip you can have on the Rucksack. Probably , best pocket knives ( Rucksack or Harvester), anyone can have, while in the outdoors!
I haven't used the Harvester but the extra blade looks useful. The can opener, although it is almost obsolete, is one thing that can be very useful. I bought a can of salmon a while back and I was at work before I noticed it had no pull tab. I pulled out my little Spartan I carry at work and shortly after I was munching on salmon sandwiches. What I realised while making that video was that a simple SAK would probably be more useful to a bushcrafter than many of the thick bladed knives they carry. I must have a good look at the Ruchsack and Harvester. Thank you very much
@@vinniesdayoff3968 I use the cap lifter - flat screwdriver, as a can opener or even the hawkbill can work on normal tuna cans etc, I just don't rush things, when I use the cup lifter. If I'm not mistaken, I had used the reamer, to start the cut with a hole once, When I'm in the City, my urban carry, is the combo, Explorer with the Spirt X. When hiking or going down the fields, I grab the Harvester or the Rucksack. The Rucksack, also is my Camping knife! I feel lucky, that I found your channel. Not many humble and true men out there, anymore. God bless
@@greekveteran2715 Humble and true eh. My wife uses certain adjectives to describe me and I never heard humble and true 🙂
@@vinniesdayoff3968 lol I know wives, they never get satisfied enough, no matter how much you give to them. I also know, that we all appriciate something, only when we lose it! I didn't manage to get married yet. Truth is, that you don't know, how lucky you are, that you have a wife sir. That's our mission in life after all! IMO We should only listen to what our heart says, not our mind, in every decision we take! Love is the key to success! Stay safe sir!
The Victorinox Harvester has a small hawkbill blade instead of the can opener.
Rodger that 888zzz. A few of the SAK's have second blades but they are small. I would like at least two full size blades. I do think it is handy to have a sharp blade in reserve. The Victorinox can opener is excellent but it is almost a thing of the past now that most cans have pull tabs.
Hi Vinnie,
Quick question, are you going to post the result/remains of the shelter after it's been up for a while and share your thoughts ?
Alain
No Alain. That was my plan, to see how the Rosebay Willowherb lasted over time, but I could not find enough of it when building the shelter. I used three or four different types of willowherb and they leak so no good. I know that the rushes will last quite a while. They make a superb roof.
We will try a bigger moss shelter in the coming months
There you go again, being all controversial....a folding knife being a survival....you'll be suggesting the world isn't flat next!
Na. Everyone knows its flat :-) Only having a bit of gentle leg pulling
Hi I watched some hiking videos in TH-cam some hikers do carry swiss army knife classic SD. How to use in hiking that much little tiny knife .
Hi Hussain. I suspect that they are not cutting poles or branches or doing any kind of bushcraft.. They are simply walking and carrying everything they need. The most the little knife will have to do is puncture a food packet or trim their nails. I have been planning a video with the Classic SD myself but I have no spare time at the moment. In the coming months perhaps
Would you consider Victorinox knives to be the toughest pocket folders Vinnie?
I don't know about the toughest knife. I never had a knife break from cutting with it. They have a very good mix of quality control, rust resistance, ease of sharpening all for a reasonable price though.
Vinnie, do you think the saw on this knife is absolutely crucial for bushcraft, or do you think someone could get along just as well with a similar Victorinox knife without the saw?
If one was actually doing bushcraft and by that I mean making the things you need from material around you then the saw would be very useful. Perhaps we can say nothing is absolutely crucial because our ancestors lived very successfully without metal tools for many thousands of years. having said that it is only in the last few years that I used Victorinox knives with a saw. I got on fine for years without a saw. If you have a Victorinox without a saw you can of course still do bushcraft with it and even a cheap folding saw will be bigger and more effective than the small saw on the Farmer
@@vinniesdayoff3968 Thanks for your insight. :) I've decided to go with a Victorinox Climber with scissors as opposed to the Camper with saw.
@@vinniesdayoff3968 Scratch that: I bought both. I could've just gone with the hunter, but I found it a bit too thick.
@@cyberdon9668 Seize the moment my friend!
@@cyberdon9668 I took a different approach and complemented my Hiker (same as the Camper but Phillips s/d instead of corkscrew) with a Classic for the scissors. Both are EDC but use the Classic for clean stuff i.e. hygiene, first aid, indoor stuff, and the Hiker for dirty outdoor jobs. Also could have gone Hunter but same as you, 4 layers are too thick. Also looking to buy a Farmer too lol. Victorinox are cunning people, they know many people can't stop buying more.
vinnie, i just purchased a böker plus tech tool 6... I modified it to 2 layer with blade, awl and saw... really impressed with it so far... comes with 12c27 main blade... maybe something for you to review?
Sounds very interesting Daddy, I have a few videos in mind that I need to get off my behind and start but I must definitely have a good look at those.That style of knife with a saw has impressed me greatly. They can really do much more than their size would have you believe. Let me know how you fare out and thanks for the heads up. I think we must have one of those in a video in the not too distant future.
How wide is it across the handle?
@@vinniesdayoff3968 according to my ruler, the handle is 19mm across 94mm long (96mm with the glass breaker) and the depth of mine (tech tool 6 with a layer deleted) is 12mm
blade length is about 68mm depending where you measure from (i measured from the sharpening choil) the awl and saw are practically identical to the ones from a victorinox in size and shape only its made from thicker stock, blade is also thicker stock. blade is also wider... i measure it at 13mm which is pretty consistent from the choil up until it tapers to the drop point... blade stock is just a hair below 2mm... hopefully this is enough detail for you to guage the size... a 3 layer version is the smallest with a saw... tools i ditched were a weird 45° serrated blade with small flat head a bottle opener with large flat head (practically identical to the ones from victorinox only thicker stock) and a corkscrew
Thanks very much indeed. I was looking at them and there were no dimensions. I was afraid they might be extremely thick in the handle
@@vinniesdayoff3968 i would say they are very comparable to victorinox in size... they are a little more ergonomical than a vic as they have a slight curve and the scales are a little chunkier but nicely rounded... i would guess that overall thickness of each model would be equivalent to a victorinox with an extra standard sized layer due to every tool being much more stout and the scales being a little beefier...
Hi Vinnie I have to be honest with you, I can't hunt, I don't have it in me to kill but want to ask you if you know of foods we can eat while out in the field, like grass tree leaves stuff like that ,if you do could you do a video on that topic, for some reason I can fish but I've been even thinking about that to, Thanks Vinnie
There are a lot of plants one could eat Mark but many of them would have as much calories as lettuce. If the average person tried to live in the wild even with hunting and fishing they would lose quite a lot of weight. Wild meat is often very lean and one would be on a diet very similar to the Atkins diet. Let me ponder on it