The blow to our reputation is we can’t manage anything workout it going significantly over budget. It’s as if big building companies see us as a soft touch.
It's not a soft touch with the tories, it's pure corruption and a desire to make governments seem incompetent so they can then say they need to cut it down. Working this nation and harming the people in it, just because their ideology does not function in reality.
@@BeobachterofTruth Euston is a lack of Government Leadership from the likes of Grant Shapps. Hundreds of influential stakeholders all want their piece of the pie and HS2 not being able to say Yes or No. The government needed to step in years ago and make hard but informed choices that didn't try and please everyone.
Us Northerners are going to be left out again, they're just going to say they'll fill in a few potholes which should have been done anyway. Levelling up, Northern Powerhouse or whatever they rebrand it as, has always been a Con. What we need is English Devolution and distribute power outside of London.
If it helps, I'm a Southerner and I'm furious about this. It's an embarrassment and a disgrace. They should have started in the North and built southwards. What a colossal waste of time and money, to commit to it and then give up halfway
Absolutely disgusting how socialist Labour have abandoned the North by being even more dismissive of HS2 and completely ruling out continuing the project -- right Mr loudmouth Burnham , lets hear your fury on your own hypocrites
Why are The Tories now referring to a new train track as “woke”??? It’s not like a car driving along a motorway knows what a woman is either. Absolute desperation 😂
Britain was the pioneer of railways, and high speed rail. We still have the world speed records for steam and diesel engines (126mph and 148mph). But then France overtook us, and they have the world speed record for electric (350mph).
Speed is not the answer. An integrated transport system for allis what is needed. Concorde was fast but not practical. France no longer invest greatly in high speed rail but are spending more on conventional rail that always and continues to carry more passengers.
I'm a Civil Engineer and I am confused, angry, and demoralised Who is making the decisions which blew the cost out of control?! Why is it all underground and in cuttings, why is it a concrete foundation whole length instead of cheap ballast, why does it need brand new stations just so trains can be a bit longer, why does every bit of land need to be surveyed for bats newts and rare plants... why are we even doing high speed when it is now outdated and other countries are looking at maglev... London to Manchester in one go was extremely ambitious, I feel though we made it unnecessarily impossible for ourselves
The Slabtrack is in place due to Linespeed and Tonnage. No other Railway in the world has this speed (360KM) as well as the Tonnage. The speed was chosen due to predicted capacity, but thats an area that should have been challenged. If they reduced the service level then they could have reduced the speed/ tonnage and in turn reduce the costs by going to Ballast. But that is just one of many factors that blow the budget.
Guess who owns the lands. Guess who owns the engineering contractor firms and construction companies, which make more money the more expensive the project becomes. What do other countries to to cost them 10 times less? Have public workers qualified to lead the project, don't buy land way over it's price to your mates, set up contracts that make private companies pay any unreasonable cost over budget, ... You know... proper public infrastructure management.
Half of what you said is legitimate the rest of what you said is wrong or not an issue, bat surveys and newt surveys have not been a major issue, having tory politicians and their mates buy up land before HS2 to jack up the price is the issue with the land. What country is seriously looking at maglev, you've just made that up. London to Manchester is not ambitious in the slightest.
I disagreed with this whole money pit of an idea from the start, but we have committed to it as a country now. He’s absolutely right in what he says, to back out now would be absolutely the wrong thing to do. People have taken location decisions and investments based on this scheme happening. To cancel this now it is not only going to potentially lead to loss of investment capital, for investors, individuals and businesses, but it’s also going to send the message to the north AGAIN that if it’s north of Birmingham then the government isn’t interested. The north west and north east say consistently that they feel left out of funding and investment opportunities. Cancelling a fast link railway before it gets to those areas only reinforces that view. If I was a northerner listening to this news I would be rather angry and disenfranchised with the Conservative government over this. If the Conservative Party are serious about remaining in government post 2023 then this is an issue it simply cannot afford to redact. It also needs to reign in the sill 20mph and ULEZ expansion rule. I genuinely believe these are the biggest things that will give them a running chance of winning the next election. If they fail to realise how passionate voters are over these issues they will do so at their peril.
The North East is already cast adrift. The Birmingham to Leeds leg of the HS2 high-speed rail line has been scrapped and a full high-speed east-west line linking Manchester to Leeds will not be built. So I suppose if the Birmingham-Manchester leg gets binned at least the North West will share the same levelling-down fate, thus creating an equality in opportunity failure. Great stuff Tories, you just concentrate on the real strategic transport issues of countering ULEZs and 20MPH urban speed limits, that will propel the nation to global business success.
I like Andy and I think he is a man of the people. But they need to stop Politicians from deciding the route so that the Engineers can provide the correct design. The Hybrid Bill tried to make everyone happy so that Politics benefited. You sometimes have to accept that 40km long tunnels, deep cuttings, and discrete High-Speed Railways are very expensive. I would ask the Chief HS2 Engineer what the ideal affordable alignment looks like rather than the one negotiated. The saying "A camel is a horse designed by committee", is a fair statement when it comes to HS2. If they allow the true experts to make decisions and not thousands of people then the price would be affordable.
@@johnrussell3961 Because the people of France, Germany, and more recently Spain have been educated that Railways provide social benefit and accept that they cause change to the land and countryside. HS2 goes through a complex hybrid bill process that costs billions before it even gets an agreement. And during that process, both elected officials (politicians) try and please their voters and then the House of Lords has a go. And what comes out of the End is a compromised alignment and design that ends up being unaffordable. You also get a railway that is known to be far more expensive than was budgeted, but the company that delivers it wants to try and appease the government on price. Most of HS2 Phase 1 has extremely expensive features that the French, Germans, or Spanish would not propose.
@@boxingfan2281 this is just not true you look at a French line the same length and it can be as much as 10x cheaper. Same length you can't blame that on Nimbyism. You have to look at the builders, consultant and tory doners over charging for everything.
The tunnels are much more expensive than they are in France. You should blame the politicians in charge but you should blame them for what they did do which is allow costs to spiral due to tory doners, consultants and builders overcharging for everything and tory politicians buying up land in the HS2 path to sell on at a huge profit.
@@Alex-cw3rz I am afraid it is true and you can trust me when I suggest I know a little bit about Railways. The French and the Spanish looked at this scheme and could not believe some of the undertakings that had been committed to in regard to design and environmental mitigation. We allowed Politicians, lords and Public Opinion design the Railway and the Engineers did not have a say. And I am not a fan of someone just saying 10X cheaper as that's not really true as Geography, Geology and Topology all have a little say in costs when it comes to Linea Railways.
The benefit long term will outweigh the cost massively. Short term budgets are exactly why the economy is in the mud and has been after 13 years of Tory rule. Have to spend money to make money
Andy Street pre announcement: I'll resign if HS2 is axed Andy Street post announcement and post meeting with Tory HQ: I won't resign. Long live Rishi Any self respecting Midlander should smell a rat when it's near
Would of been easier to build if we were still part of the EU! Could of expanded European travel, reduce use of planes. But to think Britain who led the way in the development of the railway, ... Can't build hs2. Ridiculous
@@thejuiceking2219with the state of the country at the moment this is the type of investment I believe the country needs. I realize that I don’t know enough and may be over looking serious issues.
1. Anticipated travel cost will be extremely high 2. Only those living near the stations would benefit with others having to drive to and pay parking increasing their travel time not reducing it. 3. With over 1200 passenger capacity, how does their on travel work? Congestion on the roads will be impossible. 4. There were other alternatives put forward cheaper and quicker to realise with far less blight but politicians wanted a new train set to play with. At some point in everyone’s life they will need the NHS. At no point in anyone’s life will the NEED HS2
@@cyrilpreece2658I think it's more about freight and moving it off the roads than passengers isn't it? I'm not privy to it all but that seems to be the general point? We've had a huge hug accepted near my town in the Midlands and it's been pushed as a way to remove freight from the roads rather than new rail necessarily being for passengers. It's to have a line or more availability for freight so we can have both rather than traffic on the same line. I'm not for hs2 particularly but if we keep it down south and sack it off up north it's hardly fair
The UK has been a laughing stock since brexit, so what's new? It was always a mistake to go into Euston. It should have gone to the channel tunnel, with a branch to London/Heathrow. There is a huge amount of concrete poured north of Birmingham, and people, and land, and forest have been damaged. Sort that before you start vandalising somewhere else.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 The whole lot of HS2 really ought to be built from London to Scotland whatever the cost, once it's there it will be serve the country well for decades to come.
@@Wooburnmusic They haven't completed from Birmingham to London yet and arguing over going to Manchester, to go to Scotland would take 70+ years to complete and funny the SNP hate the UK yet people want a UK project like HS2 to run to Scotland
When the bills started mounting for Concorde the only thing that stopped the British from walking away was the fact that the French, knowing the British only too well, had insisted on a clause being put in the bilateral agreement that prevented them from doing so and thus the world got the greatest aircraft that ever flew, the BAC Aerospatiale Concorde, Concorde with an e that is.
Nope. The costs would indicate a level of corruption in the U.K. that is missing from the EU. The EU managed to build high speed rail at a fraction of the cost.
this gravy train should never have see the light of day. The money should be invested in high speed broadband, ai, housing and education to plug the skills gaps and improve productivity for the UK population. The govt is also too big as a proportion of gdp in my view. It has to be smaller. The front line services need to see investment like the police and armed forces.
The UK's reputation! after Brexit, what reputation? Seven bins Sunak cancelling HS2 killed the little bit of it that may have been left, if there was left that is.
If the goverment said instead of wasting 79billion on hs2 we will use the money to reduced ticket prices for 10 years. Save the environment and fix the existing railway problems everyone would agree with this. But no that’s just silly talk!
The trains like all new trains now will be an elaborated electric multiple unit with a driving coach at each end and coaches in between, and there will be signalling known as in cab signalling on the line
"I made them an offer"..... LOL what a fool. Who does he think he is? He's just a figurehead mayor, someone for the government to blame when things don't work. I think he has a slightly elevated sense of his own importance.
¿WHOOSH = timesaving, optimal operation, reliable system, AKA Jakarta-Bandung high-speed rail, 142km in 30 minutes. Cost US$7.3 bln and work started on 2016 Jan and completion on 2023 Sept. Wikipedia A steal compared with HS2 which have surpassed £100 blns. As of June, £24.7 bln (at 2019 price) has already been spent. The Birmingham-Manchester link is expected to be axed. Will the bankrupt Birmingham be axed too?
This dinosaur needs to join the real world, HS2 has produced a wasteland between Birmingham & London, the only reason to travel by train is for a jolly, sensible companies now realise that on line meetings save money & time, deflates the egos of power wielders, & increases productivity & profit
Not true, go on a train from London to Birmingham and vice versa in the early morning/afternoon and most trains are full? Also HS2 is about freeing up space for more local services especially in Birmingham, where they are very much needed
High speed trains have existed in many countries now for decades. The very first high speed train in Japan was up and running in time for the 1964 Tokyo Olympics. Japan now has several lines traversing the country with the Hokuriku Shinkansen's line extension being tested just last month. Japan is ready to take high speed rail travel to a whole new level with its Linear Shinkansen which will be operational by 2030. A train that levitates using powerful magnets and makes HS2 already look extremely slow. Furthermore, Japan has a much denser population than the UK and the terrain the Shinkansen has to traverse far, far, far more difficult than the UK. So whilst Japan's technology continues to progress, the UK is still struggling to implement yesterday's technology and is failing not only to build a high speed rail network, but to be leaders in the field. Naturally, the Linear Shinkansen is not without its critics and controversy, but this is another area where the Japanese Government excels over the UK Government. It's called tenacity, adherence to goals and a keen eye on the future and the ability to overcome obstacles.
Well Japan don’t spend so much on military defence , they also did not have a policy of open borders and freedom of movement for 3 decades, and most important their own people are not self hating, spiteful towards their country
This could be an ideal opportunity for Richard Branson and Elon Musk to get together, and build an underground hyperloop from Birmingham to Manchester and around to Leeds. Probably at half the cost! And double the speed!! Time to showcase British ingenuity now!
Talking about grasping after straws. That’s about the most desperate nonsensical argument I’ve ever heard. Almost no one know about the project outside the UK and even fewer care. Most investments never works out anyway, so what’s the panic?
This will be one of the biggest nails in conservatives coffin.
So Kier and his army of SIMPS and fembots are gonna over turn this. NOT A CHANCE
Hope so you would think so put people are like Sheep 🐑.
@@DianeD862yep, they’re going to tax your meat lol 🤦🏽
Global Britain, can't build a Railway in our own backyard.
Great Britain was never Global Britain. I don't think it's Great Britain anymore......
....we can....it's the expense that's the issue...keep up....
@@chatham43 can't wait to see it then...
Would be a different story if they started building this from the north
So we can change our mind on HS2 but we cant change our mind on Brexit? Strange
France and many other euro countries built a high speed rail network for one tenth the cost of ours. But we left the EU to be great again lol .
The blow to our reputation is we can’t manage anything workout it going significantly over budget.
It’s as if big building companies see us as a soft touch.
It's not a soft touch with the tories, it's pure corruption and a desire to make governments seem incompetent so they can then say they need to cut it down. Working this nation and harming the people in it, just because their ideology does not function in reality.
More like the 'client' in this case wants gold plate (eg excessive tunnels) and, in the case of Euston, can't decide what to build.
China builds a mile a week of high speed rail. Admittedly if your house is in the way they will demolish first and ask questions later.
@@BeobachterofTruth Euston is a lack of Government Leadership from the likes of Grant Shapps. Hundreds of influential stakeholders all want their piece of the pie and HS2 not being able to say Yes or No. The government needed to step in years ago and make hard but informed choices that didn't try and please everyone.
@@boxingfan2281. The purpose of HS2 was to make huge profits for those who built it. It was not to improve our transport links.
What reputation? That went a long time ago.
What a laughing stock the UK is.
Tory Britain
....so what are you moaning about...?
Us Northerners are going to be left out again, they're just going to say they'll fill in a few potholes which should have been done anyway.
Levelling up, Northern Powerhouse or whatever they rebrand it as, has always been a Con. What we need is English Devolution and distribute power outside of London.
Red Will Winkers fooled again.
If it helps, I'm a Southerner and I'm furious about this. It's an embarrassment and a disgrace. They should have started in the North and built southwards. What a colossal waste of time and money, to commit to it and then give up halfway
Well do the right thing and resign your self from Conservatives if you don’t your just a coward.
ok so socialist Labour Party will committ to the HS2 extension to Manchester ?
Absolutely disgusting how socialist Labour have abandoned the North by being even more dismissive of HS2 and completely ruling out continuing the project -- right Mr loudmouth Burnham , lets hear your fury on your own hypocrites
Why are The Tories now referring to a new train track as “woke”??? It’s not like a car driving along a motorway knows what a woman is either. Absolute desperation 😂
Damage our reputation even more? Impossible..
Nation is a dungheap now .
No amount of sound bites on posters on smashed up derelict shops will bring it back
Britain was the pioneer of railways, and high speed rail. We still have the world speed records for steam and diesel engines (126mph and 148mph).
But then France overtook us, and they have the world speed record for electric (350mph).
One of several metrics by which you can measure the decline of Britain, imo.
Chinese Shanghai line does over 400km
Britain also Pioneered stealing over 60% of the worlds most valuable populated land masses, for nearly 5 Centuries........still falling behind.....!?!
Speed is not the answer. An integrated transport system for allis what is needed. Concorde was fast but not practical. France no longer invest greatly in high speed rail but are spending more on conventional rail that always and continues to carry more passengers.
I'm a Civil Engineer and I am confused, angry, and demoralised
Who is making the decisions which blew the cost out of control?! Why is it all underground and in cuttings, why is it a concrete foundation whole length instead of cheap ballast, why does it need brand new stations just so trains can be a bit longer, why does every bit of land need to be surveyed for bats newts and rare plants... why are we even doing high speed when it is now outdated and other countries are looking at maglev... London to Manchester in one go was extremely ambitious, I feel though we made it unnecessarily impossible for ourselves
Given the coming wave of pollution, those bats and newts and plants ain’t going to be around, anyway.
To keep tory seat pretty and f the North
The Slabtrack is in place due to Linespeed and Tonnage. No other Railway in the world has this speed (360KM) as well as the Tonnage. The speed was chosen due to predicted capacity, but thats an area that should have been challenged. If they reduced the service level then they could have reduced the speed/ tonnage and in turn reduce the costs by going to Ballast. But that is just one of many factors that blow the budget.
Guess who owns the lands.
Guess who owns the engineering contractor firms and construction companies, which make more money the more expensive the project becomes.
What do other countries to to cost them 10 times less?
Have public workers qualified to lead the project, don't buy land way over it's price to your mates, set up contracts that make private companies pay any unreasonable cost over budget, ...
You know... proper public infrastructure management.
Half of what you said is legitimate the rest of what you said is wrong or not an issue, bat surveys and newt surveys have not been a major issue, having tory politicians and their mates buy up land before HS2 to jack up the price is the issue with the land. What country is seriously looking at maglev, you've just made that up. London to Manchester is not ambitious in the slightest.
1:48 OK. We need it as PM. Let's run a government coalition between him and Andy Burnham.
I disagreed with this whole money pit of an idea from the start, but we have committed to it as a country now. He’s absolutely right in what he says, to back out now would be absolutely the wrong thing to do. People have taken location decisions and investments based on this scheme happening. To cancel this now it is not only going to potentially lead to loss of investment capital, for investors, individuals and businesses, but it’s also going to send the message to the north AGAIN that if it’s north of Birmingham then the government isn’t interested. The north west and north east say consistently that they feel left out of funding and investment opportunities. Cancelling a fast link railway before it gets to those areas only reinforces that view. If I was a northerner listening to this news I would be rather angry and disenfranchised with the Conservative government over this.
If the Conservative Party are serious about remaining in government post 2023 then this is an issue it simply cannot afford to redact. It also needs to reign in the sill 20mph and ULEZ expansion rule. I genuinely believe these are the biggest things that will give them a running chance of winning the next election. If they fail to realise how passionate voters are over these issues they will do so at their peril.
Different if it was happening in the South.We in the North have nothing we are part of this Nation.There is a North South divided
Aaaaaaaaaaand cancelled. Like we didn't see that coming
SHOCK
The North East is already cast adrift. The Birmingham to Leeds leg of the HS2 high-speed rail line has been scrapped and a full high-speed east-west line linking Manchester to Leeds will not be built. So I suppose if the Birmingham-Manchester leg gets binned at least the North West will share the same levelling-down fate, thus creating an equality in opportunity failure. Great stuff Tories, you just concentrate on the real strategic transport issues of countering ULEZs and 20MPH urban speed limits, that will propel the nation to global business success.
i think the tories have done that already!
PFI is what's needed. That worked fantastically didn't it? For my chums...
I like Andy and I think he is a man of the people. But they need to stop Politicians from deciding the route so that the Engineers can provide the correct design. The Hybrid Bill tried to make everyone happy so that Politics benefited. You sometimes have to accept that 40km long tunnels, deep cuttings, and discrete High-Speed Railways are very expensive. I would ask the Chief HS2 Engineer what the ideal affordable alignment looks like rather than the one negotiated. The saying "A camel is a horse designed by committee", is a fair statement when it comes to HS2. If they allow the true experts to make decisions and not thousands of people then the price would be affordable.
So why do both France and Germany build them far cheaper?
@@johnrussell3961 Because the people of France, Germany, and more recently Spain have been educated that Railways provide social benefit and accept that they cause change to the land and countryside. HS2 goes through a complex hybrid bill process that costs billions before it even gets an agreement. And during that process, both elected officials (politicians) try and please their voters and then the House of Lords has a go. And what comes out of the End is a compromised alignment and design that ends up being unaffordable. You also get a railway that is known to be far more expensive than was budgeted, but the company that delivers it wants to try and appease the government on price. Most of HS2 Phase 1 has extremely expensive features that the French, Germans, or Spanish would not propose.
@@boxingfan2281 this is just not true you look at a French line the same length and it can be as much as 10x cheaper. Same length you can't blame that on Nimbyism. You have to look at the builders, consultant and tory doners over charging for everything.
The tunnels are much more expensive than they are in France. You should blame the politicians in charge but you should blame them for what they did do which is allow costs to spiral due to tory doners, consultants and builders overcharging for everything and tory politicians buying up land in the HS2 path to sell on at a huge profit.
@@Alex-cw3rz I am afraid it is true and you can trust me when I suggest I know a little bit about Railways. The French and the Spanish looked at this scheme and could not believe some of the undertakings that had been committed to in regard to design and environmental mitigation. We allowed Politicians, lords and Public Opinion design the Railway and the Engineers did not have a say. And I am not a fan of someone just saying 10X cheaper as that's not really true as Geography, Geology and Topology all have a little say in costs when it comes to Linea Railways.
it might damage the reputation of the government but not as much as the cost!
The benefit long term will outweigh the cost massively. Short term budgets are exactly why the economy is in the mud and has been after 13 years of Tory rule.
Have to spend money to make money
I keep hearing about "leveling up" but does anyone know what's actually been levelled up? 🤷♂️
Yes the shafting level of the taxpayer
Andy Street pre announcement: I'll resign if HS2 is axed
Andy Street post announcement and post meeting with Tory HQ: I won't resign. Long live Rishi
Any self respecting Midlander should smell a rat when it's near
Would of been easier to build if we were still part of the EU! Could of expanded European travel, reduce use of planes. But to think Britain who led the way in the development of the railway, ... Can't build hs2.
Ridiculous
The Tories were never serious about “levelling up”. The North will continue to feed off the scraps.
What reputation? 😮
Can someone tell me why people are opposed to HS2. I’m very ignorant to what the potential downsides could be.
because motorists have a massive persecution complex and see anything that isn't more roads as an attack on them
@@thejuiceking2219with the state of the country at the moment this is the type of investment I believe the country needs. I realize that I don’t know enough and may be over looking serious issues.
@@troymclaughlin772 but again, the moment you do this everyone starts screaming about 'the war on motorists'
1. Anticipated travel cost will be extremely high
2. Only those living near the stations would benefit with others having to drive to and pay parking increasing their travel time not reducing it.
3. With over 1200 passenger capacity, how does their on travel work? Congestion on the roads will be impossible.
4. There were other alternatives put forward cheaper and quicker to realise with far less blight but politicians wanted a new train set to play with.
At some point in everyone’s life they will need the NHS. At no point in anyone’s life will the NEED HS2
@@cyrilpreece2658I think it's more about freight and moving it off the roads than passengers isn't it?
I'm not privy to it all but that seems to be the general point? We've had a huge hug accepted near my town in the Midlands and it's been pushed as a way to remove freight from the roads rather than new rail necessarily being for passengers. It's to have a line or more availability for freight so we can have both rather than traffic on the same line.
I'm not for hs2 particularly but if we keep it down south and sack it off up north it's hardly fair
Damage our reputation when we are an international laughing stock already? - more like enhancing the world's entertainment.
London centric government and media.
I agree with this man, who is he? This is the kind of sense we need in government.
Mayor of West mids
The UK has been a laughing stock since brexit, so what's new? It was always a mistake to go into Euston. It should have gone to the channel tunnel, with a branch to London/Heathrow. There is a huge amount of concrete poured north of Birmingham, and people, and land, and forest have been damaged. Sort that before you start vandalising somewhere else.
Andy for PM!!!
Whatever the cost this railway needs to be built all the way to Scotland from Manchester, in the long run this will be a winner for decades.
Why should S2 be built all the way to Scotland when they can't successfully build the existing line
@@peterwilliamallen1063 The whole lot of HS2 really ought to be built from London to Scotland whatever the cost, once it's there it will be serve the country well for decades to come.
@@Wooburnmusic They haven't completed from Birmingham to London yet and arguing over going to Manchester, to go to Scotland would take 70+ years to complete and funny the SNP hate the UK yet people want a UK project like HS2 to run to Scotland
The uk reputation was destroyed along time ago
When the bills started mounting for Concorde the only thing that stopped the British from walking away was the fact that the French, knowing the British only too well, had insisted on a clause being put in the bilateral agreement that prevented them from doing so and thus the world got the greatest aircraft that ever flew, the BAC Aerospatiale Concorde, Concorde with an e that is.
This has been a white elephant from day one,they underestimated the cost from the beginning.
Nope. The costs would indicate a level of corruption in the U.K. that is missing from the EU. The EU managed to build high speed rail at a fraction of the cost.
Spent all the money keeping the south pretty.
Red Wall fools😂
this gravy train should never have see the light of day. The money should be invested in high speed broadband, ai, housing and education to plug the skills gaps and improve productivity for the UK population. The govt is also too big as a proportion of gdp in my view. It has to be smaller. The front line services need to see investment like the police and armed forces.
Translation: the wasted money on the project ahould go to big business.
Nothing ever gets built from the north down south eh , the red wall is lost
Crazy trusting the Tories In the north after everything that has happened in the past ..
@@Paul-fq9pj I never did ever
Anyway, how brilliant is HS1...
Compared to travelling on old lines from Waterloo…it’s fantastic.
There's one winning argument lost then😅
Yet another waste of our taxpayers money
The UK's reputation! after Brexit, what reputation? Seven bins Sunak cancelling HS2 killed the little bit of it that may have been left, if there was left that is.
Weak tory mayor...won't resign...bluster...now let's look for private investors..hes pathetic...compare to Burnham..
If the goverment said instead of wasting 79billion on hs2 we will use the money to reduced ticket prices for 10 years. Save the environment and fix the existing railway problems everyone would agree with this. But no that’s just silly talk!
Can we differentiate between the cost of the locomotives 🚂 and carriages from the track and signalling please?
The trains like all new trains now will be an elaborated electric multiple unit with a driving coach at each end and coaches in between, and there will be signalling known as in cab signalling on the line
Why from london why not link the north
I don't see how people travel up North because of hs2. I can envisage why they travel south. What have I missed?
The government has set priorities as such that schools and hospitals first, Ukraine second, then HS2.
Look at France, Spain, Germany, even Belgium has 3 HSR lines but somehow the UK can't manage the most obvious HSR line
Andddd it’s gone
Theyer still working on the line....!?! Road works for this line is upholdings traffic inconveniencing people for no effing reason....!?!
Why is connectivity between London and the North necessary? Ain’t a manufacturing location… I just don’t get it.
So southern service providers can come up north and sell services no one needs.
He is of his rocker, give it to the private sector leaches, and we will suffer in the long run.
If the French can build a high speed railway for 1 TENTH of the price, questions need to be asked
What reputation might that be then?
Looks like it's been cancelled.
Strike action will be far more effective if HS2 is complete won't it?
No one south of Calais has ever heard of HS2
well they won't will they, have you heard of any line North of Calais
reputation? for what? broken politics and incompetence? nope, in fact completing the link would damage the reputation of a decaying country
"I made them an offer"..... LOL what a fool. Who does he think he is? He's just a figurehead mayor, someone for the government to blame when things don't work. I think he has a slightly elevated sense of his own importance.
¿WHOOSH = timesaving, optimal operation, reliable system, AKA Jakarta-Bandung high-speed rail, 142km in 30 minutes. Cost US$7.3 bln and work started on 2016 Jan and completion on 2023 Sept.
Wikipedia
A steal compared with HS2 which have surpassed £100 blns. As of June, £24.7 bln (at 2019 price) has already been spent. The Birmingham-Manchester link is expected to be axed. Will the bankrupt Birmingham be axed too?
You arent measuring Apples with Apples. I agree lessons should be learnt, but these two railways are very different
This dinosaur needs to join the real world, HS2 has produced a wasteland between Birmingham & London, the only reason to travel by train is for a jolly, sensible companies now realise that on line meetings save money & time, deflates the egos of power wielders, & increases productivity & profit
Not true, go on a train from London to Birmingham and vice versa in the early morning/afternoon and most trains are full? Also HS2 is about freeing up space for more local services especially in Birmingham, where they are very much needed
High speed trains have existed in many countries now for decades. The very first high speed train in Japan was up and running in time for the 1964 Tokyo Olympics. Japan now has several lines traversing the country with the Hokuriku Shinkansen's line extension being tested just last month. Japan is ready to take high speed rail travel to a whole new level with its Linear Shinkansen which will be operational by 2030. A train that levitates using powerful magnets and makes HS2 already look extremely slow. Furthermore, Japan has a much denser population than the UK and the terrain the Shinkansen has to traverse far, far, far more difficult than the UK. So whilst Japan's technology continues to progress, the UK is still struggling to implement yesterday's technology and is failing not only to build a high speed rail network, but to be leaders in the field. Naturally, the Linear Shinkansen is not without its critics and controversy, but this is another area where the Japanese Government excels over the UK Government. It's called tenacity, adherence to goals and a keen eye on the future and the ability to overcome obstacles.
Well Japan don’t spend so much on military defence , they also did not have a policy of open borders and freedom of movement for 3 decades, and most important their own people are not self hating, spiteful towards their country
This could be an ideal opportunity for Richard Branson and Elon Musk to get together, and build an underground hyperloop from Birmingham to Manchester and around to Leeds. Probably at half the cost! And double the speed!! Time to showcase British ingenuity now!
Hyper loops do not exist.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 Yes your right....................................... YET!!!
@@peterwilliamallen1063 Would Brunel have given up on his plans because they didn't exist yet??!
Talking about grasping after straws. That’s about the most desperate nonsensical argument I’ve ever heard. Almost no one know about the project outside the UK and even fewer care. Most investments never works out anyway, so what’s the panic?
HS2😂😂😂sorry.... We are spending that money on more weapons for Ukraine 😂😂😂😂❤
Maybe if we weren't paying 8 million a day on immigration we wouldn't be having a discussion about cancelling HS2
Maybe if we dealt with the backlog, we wouldn't have to pay 8m a day
@@morizwan123 no chance of that happening lol
British reputation? You can't go any lower 😂 so don't worry