Hello everyone, We just wanted to clear something up. At 3:26 - it says on screen there were 67 votes against the Tobacco and Vapes bill. In the narration, we say 57 Tory MPs voted against. These are deliberately two different numbers. Of the 67 votes against, 57 of them were Conservatives.
@@potato_nugget Because I’m not actually asking for an explanation of where the +30 came from, I’m making a statement of incredulity that there’s anyone left in the country to poll who doesn’t hate them.
The biggest issue around UK politics at the moment, is an utter refusal to accept that regardless of political spectrum, a baseline number of policies on key areas need to be agreed upon by all parties. Which is difficult in a political system that relies on absolute majorities to function.
Agreed, I'd consider myself left wing in most policies but immigration is not being talked about in a sensible way enough. Only loony Tories and Reform are. Illegal immigration needs to be stopped with full force and numbers in general brought to a sensible level. Even a lot of legal migrants are angry about the illegals coming over, getting free healthcare, housing etc while they've had to work hard and pay a lot of money to receive a lot less. They have to pay for their healthcare annually and receive no public funds or housing.
The political spectrum literally exists as it is because there are millions in the UK with values so divergent that they can't agree on those key policy areas - or even which policy areas are 'key'. If you believe that you're above the fray of ideological conflict, you are merely unaware of your role in it
@@cgt3704 And it's always been shouted down, ignored, pushed to the side... by the very people now complaining mightily that their folk got horridly shafted by it. I.E. it was only allowed to be mainstream, or discussed at all without riddicule, once the right-wing got affected by it.
They're not, and it's not even close. Reform got the ex-tory vote, conservatives who wanted to vote right wing but didn't want the Tories, they'll go back to the Tories come next election cycle in order to get a chance at unseating Labour. Reform will be like the right wing version of the Greens, nothing more
The recent Tories and Labour, both Corbyn Labour and Starmer Labour, could not be further apart. There simply isn't any commonality. I'm not sure what policies you are looking at?
If continuous governments continue to ignore or throw away the opinions of the electorate the moment they step into Downing Street Reform will continue going up and up.
@@johnbutcher2587 🤣🤣Next time? Next time it will be a majority. You dont follow political trends do you? Reform is sky rocketing in the polls. 1 point behind the Torys and only 13 points behind Labour. Now is there anything that might happen in the next 5 years that could make an anti immigration party even stronger? Is there anything that a pro immigration Labour party might do to boost Reforms numbers? It is as simple as this, more immigration = Nigel Farage as the UK`s next PM.
@@clownofthetimes6727 whilst the guy's a dick he's right. Whilst reform has growing support, the support they have is scattered across the country. You have to look at the levels of support for each seat. Based on current trends it's unlikely that they can win anymore than 12 seats. As you said things are likely to change moving forward. But based on current data it appears the UK is going to be stuck with at least 10 years of Starmers anti-british regime.
@@louiscypher4186 Reform came second in a lot, a real lot of Labour constituencies. They have a strong base in the north and midlands of England. Now considering Labour are acting like they are a pro immigrant party then I can see an increase in support in these areas for a anti immigration party. Labour will not repeat their success in 5 years time. So logically the 2nd most successfull party will take those seats which is Reform. Look at an electoral map, check out who came in second. It is Reform purple all over the place. p.s. I am not a reform voter.
NAH NO CHANCE BUT LET FARAGED HOPE, THAT,S ALL THIS RACIALIST HAS HIS WHOLE FAMILLY ARE GERMAN AND FRENCH BY THE WAY, DEMAND HE LEAVES THE UK LOL, AND TAKES THE BRAVER NEEDS A MAN WITH HIM SO RACIALIST AGAINST THE LIGHT SKINNED
If by 'concerns of the people' you mean 'the hysteria around immigration caused by right-wing tabloid newspapers', the problem isn't that those things are being 'ignored.' The problem is that the main parties have bought into the nonsense and lies, but don't appear to be as tough on those fake issues as Reform. What Labour should be doing is addressing the real problems, in order to show the people who have been tricked into scapegoating immigrants just how idiotic reform's narrative is. But they won't do that, because that would mean pursuing policies which would piss off rich people.
Their financing is finished, the tories are broke in every aspect. ReformUK is sucking up it's wealthy donors and paying members like a vacuum cleaner, I wouldn't be surprised if we see more tory councillor defections (there have been a large number of them recently)
Can you make the number of seats that Reform UK has make sense. They got third place with 14% and got 5 seats. However, the party in fourth place with 12% got 72 seats. Please make this make sense.
If votes were applied on a nationwide basis only, that would be proportional representation, resulting in far more seats for Reform UK. First Past The Post on the other hand is based on who wins the most votes on a region by region basis. Reform UK's vote was strong nationally, but weak on a region by region basis, as the vote was too diffuse for Reform UK to win more seats. FPTP just happens to work well for large established parties, but makes it disproportionately harder for small parties to gain a real chance of seizing power. Hence the fluke super majority for Labour when the Conservatives fell apart.
It's basically to do with the density of people with certain political views, that's why a lot of people are arguing for proportional representation because it would better represent every individual people
In a constituency every vote not for the winning party is effectively wasted, as is every vote for the winner in excess of the 2nd place party +1. So for example say you have a constituency that had this vote share Reform 10,000 Labour 4,000 Tories 3,000 Etc. 6000 of those votes for reform Don't actually do anything to benefit them in parliament. In another example say it looked like Labour 6,000 Tory 5,000 Reform 4,800 Etc. Again those 4,800 votes did nothing to translate into MPs So yeah in the case of reform it's more a result of getting low levels of support widely across the UK but not enough to swing seats (example 2). Whereas the lib Dems saw their fewer votes concentrated over a smaller area which allowed them to win more seats (more of example 1)
I found it funny that it's historically been the Lib Dems who have been crying for PR, they get 12% of the vote and 12% of the seats and suddenly they stop piping up. Odd that.
Not saying I'm a supporter of Reform or not, but in my opinion... They are the only party offering a different policy from ANY other major party on Immigration. Immigration is now consistently polling as the second/third most important issue for UK voters. All other UK parties on the left and right are pretending this issue is just fine and dandy, at a time where (perhaps a majority of) the electorate think it's not. Also, from anecdotal experience I believe the mainstream media's tendancy to cast them as "far-right", "facists", "racist", "whatever", only serves to energise their base... There's nothing like someone who hates you for your beliefs to pep you up to turn out and fight.
I think immigration is a wedge issue, artificially inflated by interested parties. But it’s hard to accept immigration when your own country doesn’t look after you. That’s why, if it comes up, I always change the subject to inequality. People don’t want to accept migrants when our country is such a hard place to live in for some people.
In reality, immigration is the top issue in the country. Housing, wages, inflation, tax, and more, are actually just issues of immigration in disguise. They are all downstream results of current immigration policies.
Immigration is at the top of the list because the racist media want it to be. They don’t want you knowing where the money is actually going while you cry about foreigners. Every media personality you follow got a massive tax cut just now of Jeremy Hunt, but immigrants apparently. While you scream immigration, they’ve got their hands wrist deep in your pocket and you appears happy to let it continue
They don't have any policy. At all. They didn't have a manifesto, they had a "contract", which they have now withdrawn. They have rhetoric and sound bites. They are "working on new ones"
They are using the recent 'favorability' poll that looks at how 'happy' people are with the party post election. The popularity comment isn't about voter numbers at the last election, it is about post election sentiment
From context it sounds like they were using net favourability, where the greens would benefit from being relatively uninteresting compared to reform. Where people either approve or disapprove of reform, they just don't care about the greens.
oh yes. If the left finally came to his senses about immigration, and physical and cultural insecurity, instead of dreaming of borderless lalaland and replacing the defense of workers with the spoiled depressive kids BS & pseudoscience imported from american campuses, the far right would drop under 10 %. Thisis what happened everywhere where the left actually did this: Norway, Finnland, Denmark.
How about a party (or limited company ... who's fussy?) for socialist leaning folk proud of their flag? Just to make it clear it's nothing nasty, put an appropriate word in, add something implying choice and you get National Socialist Democratic Alternative Party, the NSDA..... Oh .... hold on a sec ....
He's a great communicator, he sounds authoritative and convincing, he offers simple solutions to complex problems, he's set himself up as an anti establishment alternative. God help us IMO.
More like oversimplified and delusional. "we would have a paradise life if the whole world just agree with us" And they can "bash" literally any opposition because they "do not have the will to do the necessary steps" Its a social paradox because when a plan fails one part of people admits defeat and realise the world doesn't revolves around them while another group of people think they just didn't used enough brute force to make things work... And I wouldn't say he's a communicator. Farage is an egoistic manipulator who instantly brushes off responsibilities.
Yet there is a very simply way Labour can get reform voters on side. Crack down on two tier policing and stop being in complete denial about the refugee crisis. Before you jump the gun, I voted for Labour to get the tories out, and the only thing I’ve seen so far is the other side of the same coin.
@@emanuel1940 The opposite site literally allowed mass SA against women because they were scared of being racist.. yet some charismatic center right lad is the issue?
As free speech becomes more and more constrained plus the perception of two tier ruling increases people will turn to the alternative who offer clear distance and rule for the majority
Nothing has happened to Free speech, you're just having a temper tantrum because for once in your life people are criticizing you for the stupid things you say.
You're really not wrong. It wouldn't have taken much for them to have slipped behind the Lib Dems and then that would have looked like a very different political sphere in terms of opposition because it wouldn't have been Labour just saying "it's all your fault".
@@HopeGreen-m7iit’s the exact opposite, if he had no personal judgement he would believe all the media’s bullshit. You have to have that to be able to see through the media’s bullshit. If you think for more than 2 seconds you might agree
When was the last time you heard about the green party leader. You haven't or if you have it's not even close to the amount of times. The media platform Farrage. He makes considerably more appearances on news outlets than anyone from similarly sized parties.
@@JasonAtlas I see him more than Labour and the Tories combined. Annoyingly so. Which is odd because I never like his stuff and limit my engagement with his videos but I'll constantly see his or GBNews clips appearing on youtube along with right wing channels I've never heard of, or see frequent influxes of tweets from him. I've seen a Labour thing once maybe twice. Most of the time I have to actively seek these out.
They seem to be the only ones willing to do anything about unwanted migration, and that's the number 1 issue for about half the UK population. Saved you a 10 min video.
yep. But do they really want to rule ? their whole economics programme is a mix of keynesianism somehow promised along tax cuts, along with libertarian lalaland. True, after Brexit, nobody really is going to ever trust Farage again on economics. But it's easy to promise you're going to crush immigration numbers without saying how while staying out power, knowing that talking only about immigration may make you a strong opposition party, but not a government party.
They want to destroy the uk's position as a country that upholds international law by refusing to uphold our obligations under the 1951 refugee convention
The problem is him saying net zero migration includes LEGAL migration, which is real handy economically. I can understand both sides saying whether those on the boats are an economic good or bad in the long run but that’s only 10% of all migration.
@@kanedNunable Nigel has been talking about making a British constitution, net zero immigration, pro free speech. Tories are nothing like, Tories at best are a centrist party
I voted for the guy and even I can't make sense of it. I don't think he realises how many pubs in this country are on the brink. It might be popular amongst the general public but it won't reflect well on him when a wave of pubs close down because of this stupid bill.
I supported the general labour policies and ideas overall, but the fact that this has somehow ended up being a major thing, and has been one of the first policies the new government has implemented, idk, why is this even a thing there’s far bigger problems parliament should be focusing on
Im a forgiener living in britain for 25 out of his 30 years on earth. Love the UK and I voted Reform this year. The country has changed for the worst and we need someone with a strong stance against the current government. I think for 2024 people werent aware of how popular reform would be or even if their vote would matter to vote Reform. in the next Election you bet REFORM will be pivotal for the country. they are very likely to win the elections.
A LOT less people voted this time. Yet they maintained and even exceeded their previous total votes. Doesn't take a genius to see that as massive growth.
@@FatMonkeyUK It should also be pointed out their is massive political apathy, so that that problem might actually be sorted by the other parties getting their act together
@@PascalGienger Farage and Reform atleast give them a voice or a hope for actual change. What have the Tories and Labour done for them the past decades? Nothing but destroying the country and flooding it with a new foreign clientele. Both of these parties have promised to cut immigration for the past 5 decades but never followed through.
Mr farage is loud, media savvy and has strong political beliefs which are resonating in a current socio-political atmosphere marred by economic downturn, rising cost of living, credibility and legitimacy crisis with the elites,raging war on the continent and angst at the high immigration numbers both legal and illegal. These cultural and economic anxieties is fuelling his party's popularity with conservatives still failing to recover from a bruising electoral defeat.
I really enjoyed your analysis. I do however think you're completely overthinking it. The Conservatives are no longer seen as right wing by so many people right of Labour, Lib dems, Greens ect. Reform has simply filled a void many people were crying out for. Can Reform deliver? Only time will tell but the Conservatives have made it much more likely they can.
IS this the same Reform that abandoned it's manifesto two months after the election? The same Reform that doesn't tell us where it's funding comes from, and has been struggling with money since the sanctions against Russia were put in place?
People then: "Brexit shouldn't happen, 52% of the vote isn't big enough to make a major change to this country. Also, if you add all of those who didn't vote to the 'no' vote, you actually get just 37% supporting Leave, which isn't good enough" People now: "of course Labour have a mandate to make big changes to this country on 34% of the popular vote, as they got the most SEATS, and that's all that matters! And you can't argue that they only got 20% if you also include those who didn't vote, as they don't count. They should have voted, that's their fault! 😂" And people wonder why more and more people are turning off from politics? 🤷🏻♂️
Thing is that, wherever you're coming from, counted as their own bloc, the non-voters in ANY election have a fair chance of coming in 2nd place. In local council elections, more often than not that's 1st place. It's also an inconvenient truth that neither side in ANY binary debate can claim to enjoy the support of non-participants ... whatever they may claim. Then you have situations such as referendums, where a single issue (be it Scottish independence, brexit, voting systems, or doggy-do on the village green) can and regularly do engage some from those normally uninvolved demographics (because you can't assume all non-votes share the same rationale for being a no-show at the ballot box). Trust NO-ONE who claims there's a simple answer. It's by no means certain there's a complex one.
You are forgetting that if you add all the progressive Green, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and Independent candidate votes, it still adds up to 56%. So, yes although Labour shouldn't have a majority in a fairer system, people still voted for progressive parties overall.
@@lukeneilson9799 Well I'm not sure about including independent candidates, as it might take some time to look into who is left leaning and who right. But for the larger, mainstream parties: sure, you could argue they are all "left leaning" (though I'm sure the Lib Dems used to be more centrist?), but they don't agree on every policy, as we've seen over the recent Winter Fuel Allowance issue. So compared to Brexit and the one question, can the voters of those parties really all be lumped together? Especially as then it begs the question: if they all agree with each other, why didn't they all just vote Labour? 🤷🏻♂️
@@RobinHarris-nf4yv Yes, but many of those people are still happy for Labour to do whatever they need to, despite their low vote-share. That's my point. Either 52% isn't good enough, and so neither is 34%, or both are. I never said people don't acknowledge both figures occurred
don,t fret we in uk fought for our rights decades ago, free nhs ect that most in europe abused ect ect, however as starmer is funded by tobacco companies lets wait and see
I think most will ignore the ban anyway. And if the two-tier police do try to enforce this. As per usual they will just target a certain ethnicity group. Namely the white British Ethnicity. As the police have constantly shown. 😡
@@Cader-ce6bvagree it's or no one will do a thing about it and it will only hurt the gdp even more now, or they will use the cops and the uk would get a new black market.
So easy to control the behavior, up to and including speech and thought, of law abiding citizens. No risk involved. When it comes to real threats, denial, denial, denial, is the easiest path.
The fact starmer referred to rishi yesterday as prime minister 3 times blows me away....how is this so called prime minister still calling rishi HIS JOB ROLE is just absolutely beyond me !!!
5 times actually. This is what's known as 'Freudian slip' and reveals Starmer feels unworthy of his position. This insecurity will likely result in reckless decisions attempting to validate himself during his tenure.
Reform has FIVE MPs. So NO, the Reform company owned by Nigel Farage is NOT “…becoming the opposition” in the UK’s parliament. It’s not within an ass’s roar of doing so.
That’s part of why people gravitate towards him. He might not be a favourable British archetype but he is at least a clearly British one at a time when politicians are skewing more internationalist and cosmopolitan.
**Let’s Get Rid of the ECHR - Who Needs Rights Anyway?** So here’s the deal, folks. Apparently, there's this thing called the European Court of Human Rights-ECHR for short, but I like to call it the *Bureau of You Can’t Do That*. And some people, bless their hearts, are suggesting we just... you know... *get rid of it*. Yeah, toss it out like yesterday’s moral responsibility. I mean, who *really* needs pesky things like “rights,” am I right? Rights are for suckers. Rights are for people who *don't* want to get frisked for wearing the wrong t-shirt or for asking, "Hey, what exactly is in this tap water?" Here’s what’s *amazing* about this plan: if we scrap the ECHR, we can finally do away with all that irritating business about “freedom from torture.” Seriously. I can’t be the only one thinking: “Oh no, how am I gonna get through the week without a little bit of light waterboarding?” It’s called *Monday motivation*, people. Ever tried to start your workday without a bit of enhanced interrogation? You should. But wait, there’s more! Without the ECHR telling us we can’t violate privacy, the government could finally watch *everything*. Forget about Big Brother-I'm talking *Big Daddy*. Total surveillance, 24/7. Every move you make, every breath you take, they’ll be watching you like an obsessive ex who’s memorized your Starbucks order. Freedom of expression? Gone! You won’t have to worry about thinking for yourself anymore. Your opinions will be provided. I imagine they’ll come in lovely pre-approved packets: *Freedom Lite*, now with 30% less democracy! Remember that old right to a fair trial? Yeah, that’s a good one. We’re ditching that too. Who needs “innocent until proven guilty” when you can have “guilty until you prove you’re not in league with the lizard people”? Trials will be much quicker without all that pesky evidence and reason. “Your honor, we’ve got a hunch, and the defendant has shifty eyes.” Case closed. Next! Oh, and let’s not forget about freedom of assembly. Who *really* wants to go out and protest in the rain, anyway? Protesting is just a social gathering without snacks. *Who has time for that?* With no ECHR, the government can just ban all protests. You want to complain about your rights? Too bad. You’ll just have to do it *from your living room*, which, by the way, will be bugged. But the *best* part of this? No more meddling in government affairs. Without the ECHR looming over us, we can go back to the golden age of unaccountable governments doing whatever the hell they want. Corruption will flourish like a lovely, deadly mushroom, feeding off the rot of unrestrained power. Ah, that sweet smell of authoritarianism in the morning-smells like *progress*. So yeah, let’s ditch the ECHR. Because who needs human rights when you’ve got… what exactly? Oh right, *nothing*. Nothing except a deep, nagging feeling that maybe, just maybe, living in a surveillance state that can imprison you for jaywalking without a trial isn’t exactly the utopia they promised. But hey, who needs rights when you’ve got fear? Fear keeps you warm. It’s cozy in the surveillance state. They’re watching you, keeping you safe, keeping you in line, keeping you... quiet. Enjoy it while you can, because once your rights are gone, you're going to *love* having nothing left to complain about. Or, you know, you're *not allowed* to.
Where do you think the right to fair trial came from? The common law of England. Where do you think the tenets of free speech came from, including petition and assembly? The fact you honestly think that rights that have been inherent in the British system for half of millennia or longer are somehow new to or require ECHR is absolutely mind-blowing. Please go back to school
Or, and I know no in politics would back this because of ideology, we have a BCHR instead, the British Court of Human Rights. Then we can have honest conversations about what rights we want ourselves, rather than have another entity involved. And when I say honest I mean everyone gets a say in society not just the Tories/Reform
@@chazer0075hate speech laws, mass migration, Keynsian ecenomics, high taxes, corperate bailouts, price controls, multiculturalism, ethnic and religious quotas, social engineering, mass surveillance. I just gave you 10
Can anyone be blamed for looking at the current state of the UK and wanting better? The crime, violence, migrants given preferential treatment in jobs, housing - even in the law.
Legally no, existing citizens receive priority despite how much disinformation is going around to the contrary. In regards to the law I’m assuming you’re referring to the two tier policing conspiracy, which to be honest is only really propped up by people on twitter and the Daily Mail/GB News (not particularly reputable news sources).
I mean. You chose to believe what your preferred party tells you the problem is. Immigration is a crisis everywhere in Europe. The reality is far away from what you are claiming to be, there are no country that gives preference to immigrants. Your party just takes one problem and turn it into racisim
@@sirgo0se97 that's simply not true. Whether it be jobs, housing or education- migrants are put before British - and even in law, white people are more likely to be investigated and then given a harsher sentence if found guilty.
@@sirgo0se97 You could argue on your first point, you'd be wrong, as it's a de jure vs de facto discussion. On two tier policing, it beyond argument, there's two tier policing.
FARAGED CAN, HE HAS !!!SOME SUPPORT HIS SEXUAL ABUSING MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN JAIL JUST AS TOMMY ROBBING SON FOLLOWERS WERE EX PAEDEOPHILES ON PAROLE OR RELEASED FROM LOL
that's why nigel is attacking so much, he knows he wont ever have to prove his plans work so its fair game for him. god forbid he ever gets in power he will most likely be fucked and people will then find out he is just an antagonist.
I believe that the same thing that happened to the Progressive Conservative party of Canada after the 1993 election will happen to the Conservatives in the near future.
As a reform U.K. voter I want to explain while I (for the most part) support first past the post. Yes, it benefits established parties and yes it is clearly less democratic, but it is fantastic for stability. I voted reform, because I genuinely felt like they made the best case to what I care about. However, if reform got into power immediately after the conservatives after not really establishing themselves for a very long time, then (while i think policy wise they were the best option) that would have been a very reactionary vote and destabilised the nation considerably. Look at the political turmoil in Europe from representative elections allowing reactionary left and right parties more of a say. Thats not to say it doesn’t have issues that need fixing, 4m voters represented by 5 MPs should never happen and a Labour Party with such a super majority with so few votes should also not happen, so there are things with FPTP that need fixing but we shouldn’t get rid of it. Come the next election cycle farage will be able to establish his party better and get some serious seats come 2029. But for the most part I like the fact that FPTP forces Britain to only make slow shifts in politics and can help keep our political landscape stable, only with long established support will the nations direction change. The system needs reform but we need to be cautious about ending it completely
To make a law that says that some adult citizens are allowed something and some adult citizens are not based solely on their year of birth is something for which the politicians should be defenestrated. You cannot imagine more arbitrary injustice and inequality.
LOL THIS FROM A TRUMP SUPPORTER OH YEH TRUMP WHO SPENT YEARS WIPING EPSTEINS ASS WHILE TRAFFICKING UNDERAGED !MODELS AS EPPY TRAFFICKED THE UNBORN TO THE SCHOOL AGED
@@tempejkl Fascism? State control of industry; banning free speech and a free press; no more elections; etc. Those are Reform policies are they? Or are you talking out of your exhaust.
Reform UK has a limit to what support they can obtain. I would say that if LibDems and Greens can form a coalition, they could pose a far more credible challenge to Labour.
Lmao I don't think those parties have much in common. LibDems are the 'I'm left wing but I don't like labour' vote and Greens are some unholy combination of islamists, dim college students and net zero investors
5:38 “Farage providing opposition…” Exactly. It’s not so much Reform being an 5:38 opposition party, as Farage being an opposition leader. The Reform Party is just The Nigel Farage Show.
Farage can't even provide an office in Clatcon, never mind provide opposition. The man has been to America more times since being elected than he has been in his own constituency
Farage modelled himself after Trump... Only Trump was even more skilful in that he somehow managed to hijack one of the US' longest serving established parties The GOP is actually doomed.
@@purpledevilr7463 they ask the DUMBEST questions in parliament, just look at the absolute garbage SIX BOB GOB asks. he's an embarrassment to this country
Yeah our heroes would be sad to see, that nationalism is being demonized our culture being destroyed, the attack on free speech, we are being colonised and are powerless against the tyranny
Labour have been a disaster after only a few months, no honeymoon period for Starmer. I dread to think where we will be in 5 years. The tories might elect a leader who says the right things but their problem will be credibility after failing to deliver on their policies before. If the tories elect a wet then it’s over for them. Farage looks more appealing by the day.
Are there examples? No. Because shouting loudly and complaining isn't policy. An opposition of now would have a response and a counterpoint to the proposed legislation. This party of Mosley cosplayers are only in opposition to democratic consensus and decency.
Reforrm UK have 5 seats the Tories have 121, opinion polls, vote share, etc are totally irrelevant. Like it or not, the Tories are still the main opposition and will be until there is another election -which won't be for at least 4 years. I suspect at the next election with 4-5 years of labour who will almost certainly increase taxes, many people who switched to Reform will go back to the Tories, because who remembers 5 years ago - Reform will go down to probably 1 or 2 seats. Farage will be 70 and will step down as leader and Reform will collapse. Obviously this guy loves Reform, but is election is likely to be their high point.
We need electoral reform, anyone with a sense of ethics would realise they had no mandate to form a government with the support of just 20% of the electorate. I sent this letter to my Labour MP, Ian Lavery : Dear Mr.Lavery, 27 July 2024 2024 General Election result. I would like to know whether you consider the result of the general election on 4 July a fair outcome for the people of this country? Let us look at some of the figures : 1. The turnout - 59.1% or rather only 6 out of 10 of the electorate voted, one of the lowest turnouts since WW2 which should concern anyone who believes in democracy. 2.Labour got just 1.6% more votes than in 2019 but have 411 seats. 3.The Labour share of the vote was 33.7% but got 64% of the seats. 4. Cons on 6.8million (23.7%) and 121 seats (18%) 5. ReformUK got 4.1 million votes, (14%) yet only 5 MPs (1%) of the seats. 6..The LibDems got 3.8 million votes (13%) yet 72 MPs (13%) of the seats In summary an accurate reflection of votes to seats is as follows with the figures in brackets showing what they actually got: Labour 221 (411) Cons 150 (121) LibDems 84 (72) ReformUK 91 (5) In other words Labour got 190 more seats than they were entitled to while ReformUK got 86 less, this is the kind of result that would make even Vladimir Putin blush! It took about 800000 votes to get a ReformUK MP and 30000 to get a Labour one. It also allowed 5 Hamas terror group supporters with a tiny vote share to get 5 MPs, the same number as ReformUK. This has been the most unrepresentative election of the last 200 years, the Labour Party was supported by about 20% of the electorate which gives you no democratic mandate at all. The Labour conference in 2017 supported a change from FPTP to a PR system, will you now ensure your government moves to introduce it so that the 8 out of 10 people who did not support you have a voice? I look forward to your reply in the near future.
What system would you introduce? My concern is if we made it law for people to have to vote and every vote counted equally. Just due to population size the city of London would have more voting power than Wales and Scotland. Which would sway politicians to focus on policies which would only favour urban areas with larger populations, increasing regional inequality. I am not saying this is the system you are proposing. I am just using an extreme case as a way to explain a concern a little more clearly
@@lordnoodle2146 Personally I like STV as used in the last EU election, you can see the much higher turnout when people feel their vote is not wasted. I'm not in favour of forcing people to vote and I certainly would not support it unless there was a box on the paper marked "None of the above" My main concern is shaking the apathy of those who don't vote, no one can call our current system "democratic".
Yes and no. The problem is that Labour, Greens and Lib Dems did major tactical voting for each other and are pretty similar in policy. They got 52.3% of the votes cast. Conservatives and Reform got 38%. Therefore left/liberal definitely won. You can only go with the people that vote even if turnout was low. I don't like where Starmers government is going at the moment (but I am a soft Tory) over freedoms with the response I believe is heavy handed for the riots (fast sentencing, long sentences for relatively minor stuff and releasing convicted people from prison early in the process seems insane), the fiscal thing (raise NI at least to what it was and stick a point on basic and higher) and the smoking thing
@@nath9091 The key problem has been that for the last 40 years the Conservative Party has not been "conservative", they have allowed the education system to brainwash entire generations with "woke, net zero, anti free speech" beliefs. The key failure (or rather the deliberate policy) is immigration that will see the white British population a minority in our own country within 25 years according to the ONS. This is the first time in recorded history that an advanced civilisation has had leaders who have deliberately destroyed it!
Reform can win in the areas that the Tories wouldn't be touched with a barge pole while the Tories can still get a lot of their heartland back because they still have a core that find Reform unpalatable. The natural thing the Tories have to do when they get a new leader, is to make some sort of deal with Reform because that is an awful lot of seats to have to claw back without Labour imploding.
There is nothing libertarian about Liz Truss' budget. I (not from UK) was very hopeful for her, but what she did with the massive spending increases is absolutely not libertarian.
@@yicken4857 higher percentage, but UKIP got more votes due to a higher turnout. But until they consolidate their voter base, they’re always going to be a fringe party like the greens.
Brexit didn’t have to be a bad thing, however expecting the jellyfish we call politicians and leaders to handle it in a way which wouldn’t result in failure was the thing those who voted for Brexit got wrong. The real irony in Brexit though is that at its core it’s a right-wing idea, an idea which gained traction because of the left-wing lunacy Europe was experiencing at the time, now we have a left wing government with massive majority while most of Europe is going right.
@@thunderbug8640i didnt vote brexit but yeah, the fact brexit voters got brexit passed through but now arent happy with it shows how mishandled it was. I would have prefered to stay EU but both had good arguments for and against to the point brexit could have worked if actually implemented properly
@@thunderbug8640 Wrong. Brexit was always a left wing project, only supported by a few neo-liberals on the hard right of the Tory party,including Farage. The difference here is that the leftwing Brexit was about political ideology whereas the right wing version was based on pure self-interest.
2 years of harsh lockdowns that killed 1000s of small businesses, ground the economy to a holt for 2 years and cost 400 billion to fix Ukraine war that caused a massive global increase in price of fuel and goods But of course ‘brexit bad 😭’ *cry 😂😂😂
The Reform party didn't rise from nowhere. its a rebranding of the Brexit party, which in turn was a rebranding of UKIP (though some stayed behind under the UKIP banner). Should 14% have got them more seats in parliament? Yes, But I didn't hear Lee Anderson support Electoral Reform when he was a Conservative. I accept Farage has done, for a while. Its true Reform has more influence than 5 MPs but that's partly because so much of the media sings their tune. They basically have their own TV Channel in GB news. now it seems TLDR is prepared to post a video saying they are the real opposition, despite a graphic showing the Lib Dem have a stronger claim
lib dem is the party of southern villages and virtue signalling lefties who have too much money to vote labour, while reform are the only party supporting a policy which is probably the number 1 to half of brits
So, why aren't the Lib Dems flexing their 12% opposition muscles based on their much stronger seat numbers than 14% Reform UK, while the larger Conservative opposition are fully preoccupied with getting their stuff together?
I don't agree with the concept of this video. The "Only 2.7 million votes behind the conservatives" is bonkers to me. Could you imagine "Are the Tories the new government" wince they're only 2.9million votes behind labour.
I'm a 15 year old, and I can confirm most people our age, if we had the right to vote would vote reform. So next election (assuming 4 years) there will be a huge spike in reform voters who just turned 18
Neither Labour or Conservative Parties can be trusted to run the country. JOIN the Reform party and vote Reform. That's all I dare say in this country at the moment
@@HopeGreen-m7i Well, I mean they lost more votes to Reform than they did to Labour, and Reform are a much more extreme version of the Tories in some ways.
Labour has just been elected on one of the lowest vote shares. Even the people who voted for Labour only did so to get rid of the Tories. They have also lost the working class to Reform. What is labour without the working class vote? It is the Liberal democrats. The Tory vote is still there. Labours has vote has disintergrated. I think Labour will be the big party that losses out, to Reform.
I’m a member of labour. If I wasn’t, I’d be Reform. In full serious with how Stammer has run the party. I’d expect Labour to be in 3rd place or worse next election. And Reform has a chance to win.
Have you ever heard Farage actually speak in parliament? It's difficult because he rarely bothers to go to seats he's been elected to, he treated the EU job as a massive gravy train and literally his only contribution to his job at the EU was for him to smugly crow about his "achievements" to an audience that barely recognised him . Farage can talk very well when he is in a pub with his costume of a half drunk pint of bitter and stub of cigarette...or when he's surrounded by lackeys and sycophants at GBNews or Talktv. but out in the wild...without a carefully crafted background, he really isn't up to much and just ends up looking exactly like the "smug elites" that you people pretend to hate so much...
@@michaelcoward1902 I waited till now to see how would look at things now that Labour have really dropped the ball. The consertatives COMPROMISED uk security and now labour have taken their game and gone pro. Wonder how many pensioners will lose their lives this winter. You can say what you want about Nigel but atleast he wouldnt of done what the 2 main socialist pricks have done.
PMQs is lacking at the moment. We have a government where the two largest opposition parties are providing little opposition because they have too much in common. The Lib Dems are a serious downgrade from the SNP, they contribute very little. Would rather see Reform in Conservative’s position and SNP in Lib Dem’s for real opposition to the Labour Party.
Funny how Farage got into trouble with his super Dulux rich persons only bank account so soon after the Sanctions were placed on Russia and they couldn't pump roubles into the country anymore isn't it?
Y afraid of right wing?? I feel Leftist n Wokes are absolute racist , extremist and causing chaos everywhere…These Left always giving voice for freedom of expression but never gave a chance to listen the voices of right wing…Leftist only good for ruining and mess around …
I think theyre growing just because of the political reswntmwnt that ia growing. Farage although he has been in politics a long time ia marketting himself as an alternative poloticin different from the rest. Its a strategy that works
Good ol' labour letting ILLEGAL immigrants get put at the top of the council house list due to Muslims not wanting to share rooms for religious reasons.
There might be more Conservative MPs in the commons, but they act like sheep. We need a Lion in opposition not a sheep. That could well be why people are turning to Reform. Nigel is a start and should be our next PM.
I'm glad reform exists, it splits the right-wing vote. This has been happening to left-wing voters for years! Most people vote for centrist or left wing parties and as a result the vote is split allowing the Tories to win seats with 30% of the vote. Reform is gonna split up these people and I'm so here for it. Keep the right out of power.
One of my friends lived for some years in UK and he told me that what Farage has done is actually amazing. He never had any significant power but he still had a big impact and is one of the main reasons for the brexit. So, with him leading Reform, I say they not only can become the opposition but they have a chance to win in 2029. Very early I know. I'm talking with today's situation
Farage is backed by serious foreign money. The media have also made him a 'legitimate' influencer. He was also an MEP: a cloak like his now being an MP to afford his bile respectability.
@@dresdi Nah, I'm actually not even British. I just wrote a comment with an interesting observation a friend of mine made and also gave my opinion. But you are allowed to believe whatever you want
5:15 David Cameron was not a one nation conservative. This is because there is such a thing as low income voters in the UK, and David hates poor people.
I'm a young, generally right-wing person living in the UK. The Left hates my very existence so I can't vote for them, and quite frankly, given how unfathomably more encompassing the Left has been in my life since 2010 in school, Uni, work, TV, film, everywhere, I don't see what I want to 'Conserve' about any of this - hence (with plenty of reservations since I know Farage isn't exactly sound as a pound), I see Reform as the only Party on the Right in the UK that can challenge these consensuses - even if I think a lot of their answers are lacking.
Many such cases, my dude. The way to beat reform isn’t to demonise their voters it’s to field better candidates. No such luck in the near future I expect.
So. You've lived under a right-wing government for fourteen years, and you're pissed at... the left for growing in power while they had no power, no influence, and no ability to dictate anything? Because the right has been in power and pushing its policies. For fourteen years. Either you're so far right that you think the middleground is somewhere to the right of germany eighty years ago, or you're delusional.
@@Minimmalmythicist In my own personal life? I was told on my first day of my finance job how the industry is suffering because they imagine it looks like people who look like me. I attended a seminar where the (male) speaker said that women were a 'superior species' to men, in full seriousness, while the female audience unanimously broke into cheers. I was told by another woman in the office to my face how great it was that her employment in the finance industry meant one less man in it and proceeded to laugh at me. I knew that if I reported any of these things, that I would be the one in trouble for pointing it out, not the person who made it. At my university graduation, the entire speech by the guest speaker was about women as if the majority of the graduates didn't exist. Labour also directly supports quota hiring based on race (thankfully illegal here but definitely under the table) and especially on sex - so yes, my existence is quite evidently of a second-level importance. Until I mention I have autism in which case I suddenly matter a little bit again. Furthermore, it is quite clear given that the supposedly overwhelming suicide rate affecting transgenders necessitates a diametric reversion of a definitions as old as the human race according to the contemporary left, the fact that the plethora of crisises facing young men gets a patronising 'Talk to your m8s' poster at my local bus stop (and not a single suggestion of how to solve any of the problems that it refuses to acknowledge are happening) makes it quite obvious my life is of a lower importance to them. This isn't to mention how one's political views are a decent part the result of one's genetics and environment/life experience - so it is certainly isn't outrageous to say it's my existence that is the problem. I can't swap political allegiances like a lightbulb - I see how the world is going and made internal conclusions on human nature, much like leftist people do. I accept left-wingers have their reasons and believe it wrong just like they think mine's wrong. You can say that if I buy everything the left's selling that I won't be hated and ergo my existence isn't hated, but at the same time the people who make this argument also say that the Republican Party in the US is racist despite having multiple non-white prominent members on the basis that liking someone who agrees with everything you say does not mean much when it comes to your hatred towards the group as a baseline. EDIT: To give just one example from Starmer's government, misogyny has been made a hate crime, but of course not misandry. Further classes will be made that specifically isolate young boys in school, already significantly underperforming due to the feminised curriculum, about toxic masculinity and why it's bad. If Farage had come up with a 'toxic misandry' class where 10 year old girls are isolated and have to talk to say a guy who was falsely accused of rape or something similar, it would be considered madness, but it is entirely acceptable when boys are the ones at the other end of the stick.
Hello everyone,
We just wanted to clear something up. At 3:26 - it says on screen there were 67 votes against the Tobacco and Vapes bill. In the narration, we say 57 Tory MPs voted against.
These are deliberately two different numbers. Of the 67 votes against, 57 of them were Conservatives.
Yep I’ve spotted it too
you also said every labour voted against but theres red in the no vote
@@tyler361t2 he said they voted for not against
net favorability of -70% is absolutely wild
IKR? Where’d that +30% come from?
@@Bushflare -70% approval means 15% favour, since to get net -70 you have to have +15 and -85.
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Ngl my dude, it was just a joke.
@@BushflareWhat is that even supposed to mean? He was explaining that you misunderstood the number, how does it being just a joke change that?
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Because I’m not actually asking for an explanation of where the +30 came from, I’m making a statement of incredulity that there’s anyone left in the country to poll who doesn’t hate them.
The biggest issue around UK politics at the moment, is an utter refusal to accept that regardless of political spectrum, a baseline number of policies on key areas need to be agreed upon by all parties.
Which is difficult in a political system that relies on absolute majorities to function.
This is the most nuanced and objective political point I've ever heard.
Your a real patriot.
I'm an American, and my government will sadly never understand your point
Agreed, I'd consider myself left wing in most policies but immigration is not being talked about in a sensible way enough. Only loony Tories and Reform are.
Illegal immigration needs to be stopped with full force and numbers in general brought to a sensible level.
Even a lot of legal migrants are angry about the illegals coming over, getting free healthcare, housing etc while they've had to work hard and pay a lot of money to receive a lot less. They have to pay for their healthcare annually and receive no public funds or housing.
@@sueyourself5413ridiculous comment
The political spectrum literally exists as it is because there are millions in the UK with values so divergent that they can't agree on those key policy areas - or even which policy areas are 'key'. If you believe that you're above the fray of ideological conflict, you are merely unaware of your role in it
video is great example of why FPtP is awful
it shows how good our system is, despite 10 idiots from every council estate voting reform.
so funny how people only are complaining about FPtP now that it affects the right
@@dresdi oh please this complaint has been going on for longer than that.
@@dresdi good keep the far right at bay
@@cgt3704 And it's always been shouted down, ignored, pushed to the side... by the very people now complaining mightily that their folk got horridly shafted by it.
I.E. it was only allowed to be mainstream, or discussed at all without riddicule, once the right-wing got affected by it.
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Reform already are the opposition. The Tories and Labour have been the same thing for over 20 years.
They're not, and it's not even close. Reform got the ex-tory vote, conservatives who wanted to vote right wing but didn't want the Tories, they'll go back to the Tories come next election cycle in order to get a chance at unseating Labour.
Reform will be like the right wing version of the Greens, nothing more
Not true, Corbyn wasn’t saying the same thing at all
Reform and Tories are the same
@@RobinHarris-nf4yvTell that to the folks screaming bloody murder about how far right Reform is.
@@CoolMaster-gr3bp Well, they're culturally further right.
The recent Tories and Labour, both Corbyn Labour and Starmer Labour, could not be further apart. There simply isn't any commonality. I'm not sure what policies you are looking at?
If continuous governments continue to ignore or throw away the opinions of the electorate the moment they step into Downing Street Reform will continue going up and up.
Yes they may get 6 seats next time 😂
@@johnbutcher2587 🤣🤣Next time? Next time it will be a majority.
You dont follow political trends do you?
Reform is sky rocketing in the polls. 1 point behind the Torys and only 13 points behind Labour.
Now is there anything that might happen in the next 5 years that could make an anti immigration party even stronger?
Is there anything that a pro immigration Labour party might do to boost Reforms numbers?
It is as simple as this, more immigration = Nigel Farage as the UK`s next PM.
@@clownofthetimes6727 whilst the guy's a dick he's right.
Whilst reform has growing support, the support they have is scattered across the country.
You have to look at the levels of support for each seat. Based on current trends it's unlikely that they can win anymore than 12 seats.
As you said things are likely to change moving forward. But based on current data it appears the UK is going to be stuck with at least 10 years of Starmers anti-british regime.
@@louiscypher4186 Reform came second in a lot, a real lot of Labour constituencies.
They have a strong base in the north and midlands of England.
Now considering Labour are acting like they are a pro immigrant party then I can see an increase in support in these areas for a anti immigration party.
Labour will not repeat their success in 5 years time. So logically the 2nd most successfull party will take those seats which is Reform.
Look at an electoral map, check out who came in second.
It is Reform purple all over the place.
p.s. I am not a reform voter.
@@clownofthetimes6727loooooooooool sigh
If the main parties ignore the concerns of the people then Reform will continue to grow.
Because the ‘concerns of the people’ are privatising the NHS and removing human rights 😂
And it helps if Reform is funded by the Kremlin.
NAH NO CHANCE BUT LET FARAGED HOPE, THAT,S ALL THIS RACIALIST HAS HIS WHOLE FAMILLY ARE GERMAN AND FRENCH BY THE WAY, DEMAND HE LEAVES THE UK LOL, AND TAKES THE BRAVER NEEDS A MAN WITH HIM SO RACIALIST AGAINST THE LIGHT SKINNED
reform wont solve anything tho. they are just turbo tories. they will only make things worse.
If by 'concerns of the people' you mean 'the hysteria around immigration caused by right-wing tabloid newspapers', the problem isn't that those things are being 'ignored.' The problem is that the main parties have bought into the nonsense and lies, but don't appear to be as tough on those fake issues as Reform.
What Labour should be doing is addressing the real problems, in order to show the people who have been tricked into scapegoating immigrants just how idiotic reform's narrative is. But they won't do that, because that would mean pursuing policies which would piss off rich people.
tbh no one needs an explanation anymore, just look out the window, look at your bills, look at your cities
I rather vote libdem
@@angelantayhua3096 yeah keep voting in circles that should do the trick 😂😂
Lib Dems are much better than R*form
@@angelantayhua3096what a clown
@@angelantayhua3096 Yes of course Libdem are going to fix this mess.. Vote for the same, get the same.
If the Tories are just Blue Blairities then yeah don't be too shocked.
Their financing is finished, the tories are broke in every aspect. ReformUK is sucking up it's wealthy donors and paying members like a vacuum cleaner, I wouldn't be surprised if we see more tory councillor defections (there have been a large number of them recently)
Tories are blue blairites and Labour are red tories both are neoliberal parties
Can you make the number of seats that Reform UK has make sense. They got third place with 14% and got 5 seats. However, the party in fourth place with 12% got 72 seats. Please make this make sense.
If votes were applied on a nationwide basis only, that would be proportional representation, resulting in far more seats for Reform UK. First Past The Post on the other hand is based on who wins the most votes on a region by region basis. Reform UK's vote was strong nationally, but weak on a region by region basis, as the vote was too diffuse for Reform UK to win more seats.
FPTP just happens to work well for large established parties, but makes it disproportionately harder for small parties to gain a real chance of seizing power. Hence the fluke super majority for Labour when the Conservatives fell apart.
It's basically to do with the density of people with certain political views, that's why a lot of people are arguing for proportional representation because it would better represent every individual people
In a constituency every vote not for the winning party is effectively wasted, as is every vote for the winner in excess of the 2nd place party +1.
So for example say you have a constituency that had this vote share
Reform 10,000
Labour 4,000
Tories 3,000
Etc.
6000 of those votes for reform Don't actually do anything to benefit them in parliament.
In another example say it looked like
Labour 6,000
Tory 5,000
Reform 4,800
Etc.
Again those 4,800 votes did nothing to translate into MPs
So yeah in the case of reform it's more a result of getting low levels of support widely across the UK but not enough to swing seats (example 2). Whereas the lib Dems saw their fewer votes concentrated over a smaller area which allowed them to win more seats (more of example 1)
Worth saying voting would be different without fptp.
I for one would have voted lib dem over labour.
I found it funny that it's historically been the Lib Dems who have been crying for PR, they get 12% of the vote and 12% of the seats and suddenly they stop piping up. Odd that.
why are there so many fake bot porn accounts commenting
Neo-marxists doing their usual trying to scream down any other opinion by any means necessary
Because British politics is thoroughly fucked. (Badum-Tish)
Because youtube has no method or want to stop the insane amount of bots that get pumped into the comments.
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You wanna come out to the desktop and say that to my interface, punk?
Because the fake investment bots are having the day off?
I don't smoke, but I do not intend to restrict their rights at all.
Not saying I'm a supporter of Reform or not, but in my opinion...
They are the only party offering a different policy from ANY other major party on Immigration. Immigration is now consistently polling as the second/third most important issue for UK voters. All other UK parties on the left and right are pretending this issue is just fine and dandy, at a time where (perhaps a majority of) the electorate think it's not.
Also, from anecdotal experience I believe the mainstream media's tendancy to cast them as "far-right", "facists", "racist", "whatever", only serves to energise their base...
There's nothing like someone who hates you for your beliefs to pep you up to turn out and fight.
I think immigration is a wedge issue, artificially inflated by interested parties. But it’s hard to accept immigration when your own country doesn’t look after you. That’s why, if it comes up, I always change the subject to inequality. People don’t want to accept migrants when our country is such a hard place to live in for some people.
@@foxbat51 Immigrants are used to lower wages
In reality, immigration is the top issue in the country.
Housing, wages, inflation, tax, and more, are actually just issues of immigration in disguise. They are all downstream results of current immigration policies.
Immigration is at the top of the list because the racist media want it to be. They don’t want you knowing where the money is actually going while you cry about foreigners.
Every media personality you follow got a massive tax cut just now of Jeremy Hunt, but immigrants apparently.
While you scream immigration, they’ve got their hands wrist deep in your pocket and you appears happy to let it continue
They don't have any policy. At all. They didn't have a manifesto, they had a "contract", which they have now withdrawn. They have rhetoric and sound bites.
They are "working on new ones"
Big chungus sends his regards
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Sigma, sigma on the wall, who is the skibidiest of them all?
Wait, how are you claiming the Greens are more popular? Reform got more votes? The Greens are more popular within circles like ours but not in general
Greens is more popular amongst the youth on average
Thanks for pointing this out. This channel is claiming to be neutral but quite often slightly left leaning.
They are using the recent 'favorability' poll that looks at how 'happy' people are with the party post election. The popularity comment isn't about voter numbers at the last election, it is about post election sentiment
From context it sounds like they were using net favourability, where the greens would benefit from being relatively uninteresting compared to reform. Where people either approve or disapprove of reform, they just don't care about the greens.
I think they mean those parties have better "net favourable" ratings on Yougov etc, but it was inelegantly phrased for sure.
I think a left leaning anti immigration party would take away most of the power of Reform
Think that one through. Since when has a left leaning party in the UK ever been hard on immigration
Illegal immigration is not immigration, its a crime, it's like saying stealing from a shop is just shopping.
oh yes. If the left finally came to his senses about immigration, and physical and cultural insecurity, instead of dreaming of borderless lalaland and replacing the defense of workers with the spoiled depressive kids BS & pseudoscience imported from american campuses, the far right would drop under 10 %. Thisis what happened everywhere where the left actually did this: Norway, Finnland, Denmark.
They already exist. Their called the SDP
How about a party (or limited company ... who's fussy?) for socialist leaning folk proud of their flag? Just to make it clear it's nothing nasty, put an appropriate word in, add something implying choice and you get National Socialist Democratic Alternative Party, the NSDA..... Oh .... hold on a sec ....
He's a great communicator, he sounds authoritative and convincing, he offers simple solutions to complex problems, he's set himself up as an anti establishment alternative. God help us IMO.
Populism in a nutshell.
More like oversimplified and delusional.
"we would have a paradise life if the whole world just agree with us"
And they can "bash" literally any opposition because they "do not have the will to do the necessary steps"
Its a social paradox because when a plan fails one part of people admits defeat and realise the world doesn't revolves around them while another group of people think they just didn't used enough brute force to make things work...
And I wouldn't say he's a communicator.
Farage is an egoistic manipulator who instantly brushes off responsibilities.
Yet there is a very simply way Labour can get reform voters on side. Crack down on two tier policing and stop being in complete denial about the refugee crisis.
Before you jump the gun, I voted for Labour to get the tories out, and the only thing I’ve seen so far is the other side of the same coin.
@@emanuel1940 The opposite site literally allowed mass SA against women because they were scared of being racist.. yet some charismatic center right lad is the issue?
We have to just wait for him to get bored again.
He's already bored of being an MP
As free speech becomes more and more constrained plus the perception of two tier ruling increases people will turn to the alternative who offer clear distance and rule for the majority
Nothing has happened to Free speech, you're just having a temper tantrum because for once in your life people are criticizing you for the stupid things you say.
The reality: Tories got so comfortable governing for 14 years that they don't know how to operate in opposition. Reform has filled this vacuum. 👍
You're really not wrong. It wouldn't have taken much for them to have slipped behind the Lib Dems and then that would have looked like a very different political sphere in terms of opposition because it wouldn't have been Labour just saying "it's all your fault".
UK media is making it so
No they are not haha :D Nigel is hated by every single main news outlet the government that is in power hates him as well.
in other words u ureself have no personel judgement it,s all the medias fault yada yada, where did u hide or loose ure own moral code?? just asking
@@HopeGreen-m7iit’s the exact opposite, if he had no personal judgement he would believe all the media’s bullshit. You have to have that to be able to see through the media’s bullshit. If you think for more than 2 seconds you might agree
When was the last time you heard about the green party leader. You haven't or if you have it's not even close to the amount of times.
The media platform Farrage. He makes considerably more appearances on news outlets than anyone from similarly sized parties.
@@JasonAtlas I see him more than Labour and the Tories combined. Annoyingly so.
Which is odd because I never like his stuff and limit my engagement with his videos but I'll constantly see his or GBNews clips appearing on youtube along with right wing channels I've never heard of, or see frequent influxes of tweets from him.
I've seen a Labour thing once maybe twice. Most of the time I have to actively seek these out.
They seem to be the only ones willing to do anything about unwanted migration, and that's the number 1 issue for about half the UK population. Saved you a 10 min video.
The only "migration problem" is people hating immigrants for no reason whatsoever.
yep. But do they really want to rule ? their whole economics programme is a mix of keynesianism somehow promised along tax cuts, along with libertarian lalaland. True, after Brexit, nobody really is going to ever trust Farage again on economics. But it's easy to promise you're going to crush immigration numbers without saying how while staying out power, knowing that talking only about immigration may make you a strong opposition party, but not a government party.
They want to destroy the uk's position as a country that upholds international law by refusing to uphold our obligations under the 1951 refugee convention
The problem is him saying net zero migration includes LEGAL migration, which is real handy economically. I can understand both sides saying whether those on the boats are an economic good or bad in the long run but that’s only 10% of all migration.
@@sirgo0se97Plus he wont end illegal immigration. Just like the tories. Its too profitable
"is Reform UK becoming the opposition?"
Always has been. Tories and Labour are about the same.
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reform and tories are basically the same.
@@kanedNunable not at all
@@kanedNunable Nigel has been talking about making a British constitution, net zero immigration, pro free speech. Tories are nothing like, Tories at best are a centrist party
@@kanedNunableTories without the globalism.
Now if only we could get Labour without the globalism.....
Starmer hasn't exactly helped with this daft smoking ban.
The same smoking ban the Tories were trying to get through before losing the election.
Clearly he doesn't think enough pubs have gone bust yet and thinks he can wipe a few more out 🙄
I voted for the guy and even I can't make sense of it. I don't think he realises how many pubs in this country are on the brink. It might be popular amongst the general public but it won't reflect well on him when a wave of pubs close down because of this stupid bill.
I supported the general labour policies and ideas overall, but the fact that this has somehow ended up being a major thing, and has been one of the first policies the new government has implemented, idk, why is this even a thing there’s far bigger problems parliament should be focusing on
Seems like a good idea to me
Im a forgiener living in britain for 25 out of his 30 years on earth. Love the UK and I voted Reform this year. The country has changed for the worst and we need someone with a strong stance against the current government.
I think for 2024 people werent aware of how popular reform would be or even if their vote would matter to vote Reform. in the next Election you bet REFORM will be pivotal for the country. they are very likely to win the elections.
If you are a foreigner you shouldn't have a vote.
Just under 4 million votes as UKIP, just over 4 million votes as Reform. It doesn't feel like the biggest growth.
Exactly, it didn't look like growth at all
Percentage wise it's growth, because less people are voting in general
A LOT less people voted this time. Yet they maintained and even exceeded their previous total votes. Doesn't take a genius to see that as massive growth.
@@FatMonkeyUK It should also be pointed out their is massive political apathy, so that that problem might actually be sorted by the other parties getting their act together
Brexit has been blamed for everything in recent years. UKIP would poll very badly, but as Reform they've grown. Interesting times.
The way things are going they're gonna wind up in office
Huh? Labour has 5 years ahead no matter what.
@daikucoffee5316 i didn't say right now did I? 🙄
@@daikucoffee5316 Id not be too sure of that. They are an unmitigated disaster so far and I do not believe they are capable of substantive change.
They have 5 seats 😂
@JonathanStockill honestly, that's 5 too many imo.
erm, years of the establishment ignoring the working classes?
Farage is the establishment you fool
What did Farage and Brexit do for the working classes?
@@PascalGienger Farage and Reform atleast give them a voice or a hope for actual change. What have the Tories and Labour done for them the past decades? Nothing but destroying the country and flooding it with a new foreign clientele. Both of these parties have promised to cut immigration for the past 5 decades but never followed through.
@@PascalGienger govern me harder daddy
@@PascalGiengerwhat mandate was he given
U.k> Has a massive knife crime issue U.K.: let's focus on outside smoking um what??
And those gangs work for whom? Wake up.
The UK had a massive Knife Crime Issue when Rishi and Johnson were in charge, I didn't see you whinging about it then.
@@michaelcoward1902 They had it before Tories too it was ignored till then
At 21seconds, it should be described as right-leaning and not right-wing :)
This is TDLR a very Left leaning channel, some may say Far Left….👍🏿✝️
Both statements are correct, so they're not wrong
@riazortho eh
Mr farage is loud, media savvy and has strong political beliefs which are resonating in a current socio-political atmosphere marred by economic downturn, rising cost of living, credibility and legitimacy crisis with the elites,raging war on the continent and angst at the high immigration numbers both legal and illegal. These cultural and economic anxieties is fuelling his party's popularity with conservatives still failing to recover from a bruising electoral defeat.
give up political analysis
I really enjoyed your analysis. I do however think you're completely overthinking it.
The Conservatives are no longer seen as right wing by so many people right of Labour, Lib dems, Greens ect.
Reform has simply filled a void many people were crying out for. Can Reform deliver? Only time will tell but the Conservatives have made it much more likely they can.
Reform are not filling a void people are crying out for
Reform are populists selling snake oil and gaslighting people
Reform for me
If labour dont get their shit straight then reform will win the next election.
IS this the same Reform that abandoned it's manifesto two months after the election?
The same Reform that doesn't tell us where it's funding comes from, and has been struggling with money since the sanctions against Russia were put in place?
People then: "Brexit shouldn't happen, 52% of the vote isn't big enough to make a major change to this country. Also, if you add all of those who didn't vote to the 'no' vote, you actually get just 37% supporting Leave, which isn't good enough"
People now: "of course Labour have a mandate to make big changes to this country on 34% of the popular vote, as they got the most SEATS, and that's all that matters! And you can't argue that they only got 20% if you also include those who didn't vote, as they don't count. They should have voted, that's their fault! 😂"
And people wonder why more and more people are turning off from politics? 🤷🏻♂️
Thing is that, wherever you're coming from, counted as their own bloc, the non-voters in ANY election have a fair chance of coming in 2nd place. In local council elections, more often than not that's 1st place. It's also an inconvenient truth that neither side in ANY binary debate can claim to enjoy the support of non-participants ... whatever they may claim.
Then you have situations such as referendums, where a single issue (be it Scottish independence, brexit, voting systems, or doggy-do on the village green) can and regularly do engage some from those normally uninvolved demographics (because you can't assume all non-votes share the same rationale for being a no-show at the ballot box).
Trust NO-ONE who claims there's a simple answer. It's by no means certain there's a complex one.
You are forgetting that if you add all the progressive Green, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and Independent candidate votes, it still adds up to 56%. So, yes although Labour shouldn't have a majority in a fairer system, people still voted for progressive parties overall.
Strawman argument
People who argue 52% wasn’t a clear mandate also recognise Labour won on a very small vote share
@@lukeneilson9799 Well I'm not sure about including independent candidates, as it might take some time to look into who is left leaning and who right.
But for the larger, mainstream parties: sure, you could argue they are all "left leaning" (though I'm sure the Lib Dems used to be more centrist?), but they don't agree on every policy, as we've seen over the recent Winter Fuel Allowance issue.
So compared to Brexit and the one question, can the voters of those parties really all be lumped together? Especially as then it begs the question: if they all agree with each other, why didn't they all just vote Labour? 🤷🏻♂️
@@RobinHarris-nf4yv Yes, but many of those people are still happy for Labour to do whatever they need to, despite their low vote-share.
That's my point. Either 52% isn't good enough, and so neither is 34%, or both are. I never said people don't acknowledge both figures occurred
the Tories are not right wing in the slightest. no difference between tories and labor
The Tories and Labour are right wing
@@CaspyEdits no not really unless your comparing to outright socialism
@@Periodedetelevision-jo6oz yes really. Have you heard the rhetoric Starmer has been spreading? It's neo-liberal shit. That's not left wing.
@@CaspyEdits Right wing communists?
@@Aryanchadrick Labour are not communists, heck I wish they were. They’re neo liberal.
You can't walk outside and smoke a cigarette? I'm sorry but ya'll in the UK are lost
don,t fret we in uk fought for our rights decades ago, free nhs ect that most in europe abused ect ect, however as starmer is funded by tobacco companies lets wait and see
I think most will ignore the ban anyway. And if the two-tier police do try to enforce this. As per usual they will just target a certain ethnicity group. Namely the white British Ethnicity. As the police have constantly shown. 😡
@@Cader-ce6bvagree it's or no one will do a thing about it and it will only hurt the gdp even more now, or they will use the cops and the uk would get a new black market.
You can, the bill would ban smoking in outdoor areas of pubs and restaurants
So easy to control the behavior, up to and including speech and thought, of law abiding citizens. No risk involved.
When it comes to real threats, denial, denial, denial, is the easiest path.
The fact starmer referred to rishi yesterday as prime minister 3 times blows me away....how is this so called prime minister still calling rishi HIS JOB ROLE is just absolutely beyond me !!!
5 times actually. This is what's known as 'Freudian slip' and reveals Starmer feels unworthy of his position. This insecurity will likely result in reckless decisions attempting to validate himself during his tenure.
Reform has FIVE MPs.
So NO, the Reform company owned by Nigel Farage is NOT “…becoming the opposition” in the UK’s parliament.
It’s not within an ass’s roar of doing so.
😅💯
No way! Reform MPs rarely turn up to the House of Commons. And despite the additional exposure on GB News and Talk TV, which is an echo chamber
what? ive seen SO MUCH evidence and video of them pressing MPs with hard questions
As an American, Nigel Firage comes off as the most stereotypical posh British guy lmao
That award goes to Jacob Rees-Mogg
🤣Have you seen Starmer and Sunak mate?
hes not posh he's just a twat
That’s part of why people gravitate towards him. He might not be a favourable British archetype but he is at least a clearly British one at a time when politicians are skewing more internationalist and cosmopolitan.
Rather than first impressions, you should actually take the time to learn about the person. But that might be too hard for an American...
**Let’s Get Rid of the ECHR - Who Needs Rights Anyway?**
So here’s the deal, folks. Apparently, there's this thing called the European Court of Human Rights-ECHR for short, but I like to call it the *Bureau of You Can’t Do That*. And some people, bless their hearts, are suggesting we just... you know... *get rid of it*. Yeah, toss it out like yesterday’s moral responsibility. I mean, who *really* needs pesky things like “rights,” am I right? Rights are for suckers. Rights are for people who *don't* want to get frisked for wearing the wrong t-shirt or for asking, "Hey, what exactly is in this tap water?"
Here’s what’s *amazing* about this plan: if we scrap the ECHR, we can finally do away with all that irritating business about “freedom from torture.” Seriously. I can’t be the only one thinking: “Oh no, how am I gonna get through the week without a little bit of light waterboarding?” It’s called *Monday motivation*, people. Ever tried to start your workday without a bit of enhanced interrogation? You should.
But wait, there’s more! Without the ECHR telling us we can’t violate privacy, the government could finally watch *everything*. Forget about Big Brother-I'm talking *Big Daddy*. Total surveillance, 24/7. Every move you make, every breath you take, they’ll be watching you like an obsessive ex who’s memorized your Starbucks order. Freedom of expression? Gone! You won’t have to worry about thinking for yourself anymore. Your opinions will be provided. I imagine they’ll come in lovely pre-approved packets: *Freedom Lite*, now with 30% less democracy!
Remember that old right to a fair trial? Yeah, that’s a good one. We’re ditching that too. Who needs “innocent until proven guilty” when you can have “guilty until you prove you’re not in league with the lizard people”? Trials will be much quicker without all that pesky evidence and reason. “Your honor, we’ve got a hunch, and the defendant has shifty eyes.” Case closed. Next!
Oh, and let’s not forget about freedom of assembly. Who *really* wants to go out and protest in the rain, anyway? Protesting is just a social gathering without snacks. *Who has time for that?* With no ECHR, the government can just ban all protests. You want to complain about your rights? Too bad. You’ll just have to do it *from your living room*, which, by the way, will be bugged.
But the *best* part of this? No more meddling in government affairs. Without the ECHR looming over us, we can go back to the golden age of unaccountable governments doing whatever the hell they want. Corruption will flourish like a lovely, deadly mushroom, feeding off the rot of unrestrained power. Ah, that sweet smell of authoritarianism in the morning-smells like *progress*.
So yeah, let’s ditch the ECHR. Because who needs human rights when you’ve got… what exactly? Oh right, *nothing*. Nothing except a deep, nagging feeling that maybe, just maybe, living in a surveillance state that can imprison you for jaywalking without a trial isn’t exactly the utopia they promised. But hey, who needs rights when you’ve got fear? Fear keeps you warm. It’s cozy in the surveillance state. They’re watching you, keeping you safe, keeping you in line, keeping you... quiet.
Enjoy it while you can, because once your rights are gone, you're going to *love* having nothing left to complain about. Or, you know, you're *not allowed* to.
Where do you think the right to fair trial came from? The common law of England.
Where do you think the tenets of free speech came from, including petition and assembly?
The fact you honestly think that rights that have been inherent in the British system for half of millennia or longer are somehow new to or require ECHR is absolutely mind-blowing.
Please go back to school
Or, and I know no in politics would back this because of ideology, we have a BCHR instead, the British Court of Human Rights. Then we can have honest conversations about what rights we want ourselves, rather than have another entity involved. And when I say honest I mean everyone gets a say in society not just the Tories/Reform
Catastrophic level of yapping
so what you're saying is that we SHOULD leave the EHCR, cool
Imagine thinking all our human rights come from a foreign court
I’m glad I plan on leaving the country before the next election
Polish people are alright but your foood is just soups and dumplings they taste bland sorry not sorry 😢
Don’t come to America
Wales?
I left 8 years ago. Best thing you can ever do.
We often confuse the media obsession, relentless promotion and endless BBCQT appearances with grassroots popularity. They're never the same.
Conservatives are left-wing now so Reform being further right than them isn’t really saying much at all
Conservatives left wing!?!?! Are you okay in the head? Name one left wing Conservative policy.
@@chazer0075hate speech laws, mass migration, Keynsian ecenomics, high taxes, corperate bailouts, price controls, multiculturalism, ethnic and religious quotas, social engineering, mass surveillance.
I just gave you 10
@@chazer0075 are you new here? There’s barely any difference between Labour and tories
Can anyone be blamed for looking at the current state of the UK and wanting better? The crime, violence, migrants given preferential treatment in jobs, housing - even in the law.
Legally no, existing citizens receive priority despite how much disinformation is going around to the contrary. In regards to the law I’m assuming you’re referring to the two tier policing conspiracy, which to be honest is only really propped up by people on twitter and the Daily Mail/GB News (not particularly reputable news sources).
I mean. You chose to believe what your preferred party tells you the problem is. Immigration is a crisis everywhere in Europe. The reality is far away from what you are claiming to be, there are no country that gives preference to immigrants. Your party just takes one problem and turn it into racisim
Wanting better? So they wouldn’t vote reform
@@sirgo0se97 that's simply not true. Whether it be jobs, housing or education- migrants are put before British - and even in law, white people are more likely to be investigated and then given a harsher sentence if found guilty.
@@sirgo0se97 You could argue on your first point, you'd be wrong, as it's a de jure vs de facto discussion. On two tier policing, it beyond argument, there's two tier policing.
You can't duck up in opposition, only in gouvernment.
FARAGED CAN, HE HAS !!!SOME SUPPORT HIS SEXUAL ABUSING MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN JAIL JUST AS TOMMY ROBBING SON FOLLOWERS WERE EX PAEDEOPHILES ON PAROLE OR RELEASED FROM LOL
Quack
that's why nigel is attacking so much, he knows he wont ever have to prove his plans work so its fair game for him. god forbid he ever gets in power he will most likely be fucked and people will then find out he is just an antagonist.
You clearly fucked up the spelling of that comment.
@@diningroomtableYTAutocorrect does that all the time
I believe that the same thing that happened to the Progressive Conservative party of Canada after the 1993 election will happen to the Conservatives in the near future.
As a reform U.K. voter I want to explain while I (for the most part) support first past the post.
Yes, it benefits established parties and yes it is clearly less democratic, but it is fantastic for stability. I voted reform, because I genuinely felt like they made the best case to what I care about. However, if reform got into power immediately after the conservatives after not really establishing themselves for a very long time, then (while i think policy wise they were the best option) that would have been a very reactionary vote and destabilised the nation considerably. Look at the political turmoil in Europe from representative elections allowing reactionary left and right parties more of a say. Thats not to say it doesn’t have issues that need fixing, 4m voters represented by 5 MPs should never happen and a Labour Party with such a super majority with so few votes should also not happen, so there are things with FPTP that need fixing but we shouldn’t get rid of it. Come the next election cycle farage will be able to establish his party better and get some serious seats come 2029.
But for the most part I like the fact that FPTP forces Britain to only make slow shifts in politics and can help keep our political landscape stable, only with long established support will the nations direction change. The system needs reform but we need to be cautious about ending it completely
The main are doing everything they can to destabilise the country.
Yes it's great for stability, just look how all your towns and cities have been turned into Karachi, stability is great
@@Bigdave22779 countries in Europe with proportional representation have the exact same issue so you can’t blame FPTP for that
Someone needs to make a "Stabbing UK" Nebula Originals too..
Reform UK is the only party representing the native population who only want a modicum or order, transparency and fairness.
To make a law that says that some adult citizens are allowed something and some adult citizens are not based solely on their year of birth is something for which the politicians should be defenestrated. You cannot imagine more arbitrary injustice and inequality.
No political party is perfect, but Reform is offering proper social conservatism.
*facism
LOL THIS FROM A TRUMP SUPPORTER OH YEH TRUMP WHO SPENT YEARS WIPING EPSTEINS ASS WHILE TRAFFICKING UNDERAGED !MODELS AS EPPY TRAFFICKED THE UNBORN TO THE SCHOOL AGED
@@tempejkl From the hard left view.
@@tempejkl Fascism? State control of industry; banning free speech and a free press; no more elections; etc. Those are Reform policies are they? Or are you talking out of your exhaust.
@@DoggleBird explain how.
Eventually we will have an AI algorithm running the country and the PM will just be saying exactly what the AI tells him / her to say.
Reform UK has a limit to what support they can obtain. I would say that if LibDems and Greens can form a coalition, they could pose a far more credible challenge to Labour.
Lmao I don't think those parties have much in common. LibDems are the 'I'm left wing but I don't like labour' vote and Greens are some unholy combination of islamists, dim college students and net zero investors
By pledging what? An insane amount of borrowing.
NeT zErO garbage.
Only issue there is that the Lib Dems wouldn’t want to form a coalition with a bunch of NIMBYS.
But they're basically the same on all the key issues so where exactly would the opposition be?
maybe stop calling everyone far right would help.
Opposition does not mean blindly opposing everything! A 5 person party is not the opposition.
Can’t be any worst then the Labour Party or tories and going vote reform next time
5:38 “Farage providing opposition…” Exactly. It’s not so much Reform being an 5:38 opposition party, as Farage being an opposition leader. The Reform Party is just The Nigel Farage Show.
Given it’s him and 4 other blokes. Fair enough it’s his show.
Farage can't even provide an office in Clatcon, never mind provide opposition. The man has been to America more times since being elected than he has been in his own constituency
Farage modelled himself after Trump... Only Trump was even more skilful in that he somehow managed to hijack one of the US' longest serving established parties
The GOP is actually doomed.
A freak show @@purpledevilr7463
@@purpledevilr7463 they ask the DUMBEST questions in parliament, just look at the absolute garbage SIX BOB GOB asks. he's an embarrassment to this country
its a real shame our country is turning into something our country used to fight against in ww2.. absolutely dread the future.
You mean invasion? Yeah you are right!
Yeah our heroes would be sad to see, that nationalism is being demonized our culture being destroyed, the attack on free speech, we are being colonised and are powerless against the tyranny
Banning smoking is very much like the holocaust, like really what are you saying?
I voted reform and I'm proud of it. I don't tell anyone tho
Labour have been a disaster after only a few months, no honeymoon period for Starmer. I dread to think where we will be in 5 years.
The tories might elect a leader who says the right things but their problem will be credibility after failing to deliver on their policies before. If the tories elect a wet then it’s over for them.
Farage looks more appealing by the day.
I swear in my head 2009 is still only like 5 years ago, and I thought wow that’s some young smokers
Are there examples? No. Because shouting loudly and complaining isn't policy. An opposition of now would have a response and a counterpoint to the proposed legislation.
This party of Mosley cosplayers are only in opposition to democratic consensus and decency.
"An opposition of now would have a response and a counterpoint to the proposed legislation." reform does lol
Reforrm UK have 5 seats the Tories have 121, opinion polls, vote share, etc are totally irrelevant. Like it or not, the Tories are still the main opposition and will be until there is another election -which won't be for at least 4 years. I suspect at the next election with 4-5 years of labour who will almost certainly increase taxes, many people who switched to Reform will go back to the Tories, because who remembers 5 years ago - Reform will go down to probably 1 or 2 seats. Farage will be 70 and will step down as leader and Reform will collapse.
Obviously this guy loves Reform, but is election is likely to be their high point.
We need electoral reform, anyone with a sense of ethics would realise they had no mandate to form a government with the support of just 20% of the electorate. I sent this letter to my Labour MP, Ian Lavery :
Dear Mr.Lavery, 27 July 2024
2024 General Election result.
I would like to know whether you consider the result of the general election on 4 July a fair outcome for the people of this country?
Let us look at some of the figures :
1. The turnout - 59.1% or rather only 6 out of 10 of the electorate voted, one of the lowest turnouts since WW2 which should concern anyone who believes in democracy.
2.Labour got just 1.6% more votes than in 2019 but have 411 seats.
3.The Labour share of the vote was 33.7% but got 64% of the seats.
4. Cons on 6.8million (23.7%) and 121 seats (18%)
5. ReformUK got 4.1 million votes, (14%) yet only 5 MPs (1%) of the seats.
6..The LibDems got 3.8 million votes (13%) yet 72 MPs (13%) of the seats
In summary an accurate reflection of votes to seats is as follows with the figures in brackets showing what they actually got:
Labour 221 (411)
Cons 150 (121)
LibDems 84 (72)
ReformUK 91 (5)
In other words Labour got 190 more seats than they were entitled to while ReformUK got 86 less, this is the kind of result that would make even Vladimir Putin blush!
It took about 800000 votes to get a ReformUK MP and 30000 to get a Labour one. It also allowed 5 Hamas terror group supporters with a tiny vote share to get 5 MPs, the same number as ReformUK.
This has been the most unrepresentative election of the last 200 years, the Labour Party was supported by about 20% of the electorate which gives you no democratic mandate at all.
The Labour conference in 2017 supported a change from FPTP to a PR system, will you now ensure your government moves to introduce it so that the 8 out of 10 people who did not support you have a voice?
I look forward to your reply in the near future.
What system would you introduce?
My concern is if we made it law for people to have to vote and every vote counted equally. Just due to population size the city of London would have more voting power than Wales and Scotland. Which would sway politicians to focus on policies which would only favour urban areas with larger populations, increasing regional inequality.
I am not saying this is the system you are proposing. I am just using an extreme case as a way to explain a concern a little more clearly
@@lordnoodle2146That is why they have autonomy. The UK needs a system like Israel, proportional representation where every vote counts the same
@@lordnoodle2146 Personally I like STV as used in the last EU election, you can see the much higher turnout when people feel their vote is not wasted. I'm not in favour of forcing people to vote and I certainly would not support it unless there was a box on the paper marked "None of the above" My main concern is shaking the apathy of those who don't vote, no one can call our current system "democratic".
Yes and no. The problem is that Labour, Greens and Lib Dems did major tactical voting for each other and are pretty similar in policy. They got 52.3% of the votes cast. Conservatives and Reform got 38%. Therefore left/liberal definitely won. You can only go with the people that vote even if turnout was low. I don't like where Starmers government is going at the moment (but I am a soft Tory) over freedoms with the response I believe is heavy handed for the riots (fast sentencing, long sentences for relatively minor stuff and releasing convicted people from prison early in the process seems insane), the fiscal thing (raise NI at least to what it was and stick a point on basic and higher) and the smoking thing
@@nath9091 The key problem has been that for the last 40 years the Conservative Party has not been "conservative", they have allowed the education system to brainwash entire generations with "woke, net zero, anti free speech" beliefs. The key failure (or rather the deliberate policy) is immigration that will see the white British population a minority in our own country within 25 years according to the ONS. This is the first time in recorded history that an advanced civilisation has had leaders who have deliberately destroyed it!
Reform can win in the areas that the Tories wouldn't be touched with a barge pole while the Tories can still get a lot of their heartland back because they still have a core that find Reform unpalatable. The natural thing the Tories have to do when they get a new leader, is to make some sort of deal with Reform because that is an awful lot of seats to have to claw back without Labour imploding.
At the currant rate I don't find Labour imploding that unreasonable lol, but yeah
Immigration. It's immigration
Which type?
@@Britishscout2012"something something boats, something something brown people" - Average reform voter response when asked about immigration
@@Orbital_Inclination Are they wrong? Not the slightest.
Is just a word
Wouldn't it be nice if the parties existed to serve instead of grabbing power?
Could TLDR cover the allegations of Russia Today influencing US media? Maybe there's some cross-over here with this particular news story...
Preeeeeeecisely.
Russia is likely pushing a pro islam pro palestine messaging to destabilise the west.
There is nothing libertarian about Liz Truss' budget. I (not from UK) was very hopeful for her, but what she did with the massive spending increases is absolutely not libertarian.
This channel poses as centrist but it often leaves out key facts that make the picture appear more left wing.
"This channel doesn't praise my political party well enough, therefore they're communists" 🙄
You mean it doesn't pander to your ideology and that makes you sulk?
@@michaelcoward1902 No I mean it poses as centrist but is slightly left biased.
Not with 5 MPs they aren’t. They also secured a lower vote share than UKIP did in 2015.
UKIP got about 13% in 2015 and Reform got over 14%
@@yicken4857 higher percentage, but UKIP got more votes due to a higher turnout. But until they consolidate their voter base, they’re always going to be a fringe party like the greens.
The UK are finally realizing the torries were terrible and are punishing them:🙂
They are now voting for the party who pushed the hardest for brexit: 🙃
Brexit didn’t have to be a bad thing, however expecting the jellyfish we call politicians and leaders to handle it in a way which wouldn’t result in failure was the thing those who voted for Brexit got wrong. The real irony in Brexit though is that at its core it’s a right-wing idea, an idea which gained traction because of the left-wing lunacy Europe was experiencing at the time, now we have a left wing government with massive majority while most of Europe is going right.
@@thunderbug8640i didnt vote brexit but yeah, the fact brexit voters got brexit passed through but now arent happy with it shows how mishandled it was. I would have prefered to stay EU but both had good arguments for and against to the point brexit could have worked if actually implemented properly
@@thunderbug8640 Wrong. Brexit was always a left wing project, only supported by a few neo-liberals on the hard right of the Tory party,including Farage.
The difference here is that the leftwing Brexit was about political ideology whereas the right wing version was based on pure self-interest.
@@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501 You’re going to have to expand on your thinking there for me because from where I sit 25 years ago sure but not today.
2 years of harsh lockdowns that killed 1000s of small businesses, ground the economy to a holt for 2 years and cost 400 billion to fix
Ukraine war that caused a massive global increase in price of fuel and goods
But of course ‘brexit bad 😭’ *cry 😂😂😂
Reform is the only respectable party
BOT SPEAKS
The Reform party didn't rise from nowhere. its a rebranding of the Brexit party, which in turn was a rebranding of UKIP (though some stayed behind under the UKIP banner).
Should 14% have got them more seats in parliament? Yes, But I didn't hear Lee Anderson support Electoral Reform when he was a Conservative. I accept Farage has done, for a while.
Its true Reform has more influence than 5 MPs but that's partly because so much of the media sings their tune. They basically have their own TV Channel in GB news. now it seems TLDR is prepared to post a video saying they are the real opposition, despite a graphic showing the Lib Dem have a stronger claim
lib dem is the party of southern villages and virtue signalling lefties who have too much money to vote labour, while reform are the only party supporting a policy which is probably the number 1 to half of brits
So, why aren't the Lib Dems flexing their 12% opposition muscles based on their much stronger seat numbers than 14% Reform UK, while the larger Conservative opposition are fully preoccupied with getting their stuff together?
I don't agree with the concept of this video. The "Only 2.7 million votes behind the conservatives" is bonkers to me. Could you imagine "Are the Tories the new government" wince they're only 2.9million votes behind labour.
I'm a 15 year old, and I can confirm most people our age, if we had the right to vote would vote reform. So next election (assuming 4 years) there will be a huge spike in reform voters who just turned 18
Great news!
Farage is a large part of the reason people your age don't have the same rights and opportunities that previous generations had.
Neither Labour or Conservative Parties can be trusted to run the country.
JOIN the Reform party and vote Reform.
That's all I dare say in this country at the moment
I think it´s unlikely, one reason is that established parties take a long time to die and the Tory party isn´t there yet.
no matter how much tories try to dig themselves out of their self inflicted graves, they are done most of uk has a strong moral BASE
@@HopeGreen-m7i Well, I mean they lost more votes to Reform than they did to Labour, and Reform are a much more extreme version of the Tories in some ways.
Labour has just been elected on one of the lowest vote shares. Even the people who voted for Labour only did so to get rid of the Tories.
They have also lost the working class to Reform.
What is labour without the working class vote?
It is the Liberal democrats.
The Tory vote is still there. Labours has vote has disintergrated.
I think Labour will be the big party that losses out, to Reform.
I’m a member of labour. If I wasn’t, I’d be Reform.
In full serious with how Stammer has run the party. I’d expect Labour to be in 3rd place or worse next election. And Reform has a chance to win.
Then put your money where your mouth is. You’d get good odds from a book in betting labour will be in third place.
@@MJW238 I don’t care for betting much unless I’m a competitor.
I genuinely don’t understand why starmer is continuing that awful tory policy
Vote Reform!
In 4.9 years 🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤮🤮🤮
In 5 years time the party will have split yet again.
Omg please let reform become opposition. Starmer won't be able to deal with nigel calling him out at a PMQ
Have you ever heard Farage actually speak in parliament? It's difficult because he rarely bothers to go to seats he's been elected to, he treated the EU job as a massive gravy train and literally his only contribution to his job at the EU was for him to smugly crow about his "achievements" to an audience that barely recognised him
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Farage can talk very well when he is in a pub with his costume of a half drunk pint of bitter and stub of cigarette...or when he's surrounded by lackeys and sycophants at GBNews or Talktv.
but out in the wild...without a carefully crafted background, he really isn't up to much and just ends up looking exactly like the "smug elites" that you people pretend to hate so much...
@@michaelcoward1902 I waited till now to see how would look at things now that Labour have really dropped the ball. The consertatives COMPROMISED uk security and now labour have taken their game and gone pro. Wonder how many pensioners will lose their lives this winter. You can say what you want about Nigel but atleast he wouldnt of done what the 2 main socialist pricks have done.
I’m 26, I voted for Brexit and used to vote conservative. I’m a reformer now. The tories are done. They have nothing to offer
PMQs is lacking at the moment. We have a government where the two largest opposition parties are providing little opposition because they have too much in common.
The Lib Dems are a serious downgrade from the SNP, they contribute very little. Would rather see Reform in Conservative’s position and SNP in Lib Dem’s for real opposition to the Labour Party.
I wouldn’t be surprised if farage and GBNews get caught up in the Russian money scandal involving many right wing political TH-camrs.
Yeah that would be terrible, it's not like the Tories or Labour are paid off by China or Israel or a number of other foreign agents also.
Funny how Farage got into trouble with his super Dulux rich persons only bank account so soon after the Sanctions were placed on Russia and they couldn't pump roubles into the country anymore isn't it?
Y afraid of right wing?? I feel Leftist n Wokes are absolute racist , extremist and causing chaos everywhere…These Left always giving voice for freedom of expression but never gave a chance to listen the voices of right wing…Leftist only good for ruining and mess around …
I think theyre growing just because of the political reswntmwnt that ia growing. Farage although he has been in politics a long time ia marketting himself as an alternative poloticin different from the rest.
Its a strategy that works
Good ol' Deform.
I hate this timeline.
Good ol' labour letting ILLEGAL immigrants get put at the top of the council house list due to Muslims not wanting to share rooms for religious reasons.
What's stopping you from getting off?
Immigrants are the new jews. Scapegoats.
Better option then 2 tier kier, saviour of the WEF.
@@FuzzyRiyThere's a "Well Endowed Faction"?
There might be more Conservative MPs in the commons, but they act like sheep. We need a Lion in opposition not a sheep.
That could well be why people are turning to Reform.
Nigel is a start and should be our next PM.
I'm glad reform exists, it splits the right-wing vote. This has been happening to left-wing voters for years! Most people vote for centrist or left wing parties and as a result the vote is split allowing the Tories to win seats with 30% of the vote. Reform is gonna split up these people and I'm so here for it. Keep the right out of power.
you want to become islamic? then vote left
@@praneethjayasimha5943If the left promises to ban all religion, will that make you happy?
@praneethjayasimha5943 what policies/evidence do you have of left wing politicians suggesting they want everyone to become Muslim?
@@praneethjayasimha5943…what the fuck are you talking about?
@@praneethjayasimha5943 voting left is not one of the articles of faith in Islam
UK needs a new party ! ..the A F E the Alternative For ENGLAND !! FORM IT NOW ..time is runnign OUT !!
yep i agree that way scotts welsh and irish can keep their taxes while england starve
One of my friends lived for some years in UK and he told me that what Farage has done is actually amazing. He never had any significant power but he still had a big impact and is one of the main reasons for the brexit. So, with him leading Reform, I say they not only can become the opposition but they have a chance to win in 2029. Very early I know. I'm talking with today's situation
Is this a reform bot 😒
@@Nightowl_always_awake No, I'm not
Farage is backed by serious foreign money. The media have also made him a 'legitimate' influencer.
He was also an MEP: a cloak like his now being an MP to afford his bile respectability.
@@patskats4859yes you are
@@dresdi Nah, I'm actually not even British. I just wrote a comment with an interesting observation a friend of mine made and also gave my opinion. But you are allowed to believe whatever you want
Labour seems to be indistinguishable from the tories in what they are actually doing.
Yeah you guys were saying that before the election...you were saying that when Corbyn was in charge too, because a broken record never stops skipping.
Not surprising, tbh. They go from bad to worse
They’re greatv
To repeat the lie about JD Vance without a clarification is disgusting. Not a good look.
I’m an immigrant on a work visa. As someone who wants to settle here, I would vote reform lol
Delusional
@@dresdithey/them
5:15 David Cameron was not a one nation conservative. This is because there is such a thing as low income voters in the UK, and David hates poor people.
I'm a young, generally right-wing person living in the UK. The Left hates my very existence so I can't vote for them, and quite frankly, given how unfathomably more encompassing the Left has been in my life since 2010 in school, Uni, work, TV, film, everywhere, I don't see what I want to 'Conserve' about any of this - hence (with plenty of reservations since I know Farage isn't exactly sound as a pound), I see Reform as the only Party on the Right in the UK that can challenge these consensuses - even if I think a lot of their answers are lacking.
Many such cases, my dude. The way to beat reform isn’t to demonise their voters it’s to field better candidates. No such luck in the near future I expect.
So. You've lived under a right-wing government for fourteen years, and you're pissed at... the left for growing in power while they had no power, no influence, and no ability to dictate anything?
Because the right has been in power and pushing its policies. For fourteen years.
Either you're so far right that you think the middleground is somewhere to the right of germany eighty years ago, or you're delusional.
How does the left "hate your existence", I´d like you to actually explain this.
@@Minimmalmythicist If he's working class, then the left hates him.
@@Minimmalmythicist In my own personal life? I was told on my first day of my finance job how the industry is suffering because they imagine it looks like people who look like me. I attended a seminar where the (male) speaker said that women were a 'superior species' to men, in full seriousness, while the female audience unanimously broke into cheers. I was told by another woman in the office to my face how great it was that her employment in the finance industry meant one less man in it and proceeded to laugh at me. I knew that if I reported any of these things, that I would be the one in trouble for pointing it out, not the person who made it. At my university graduation, the entire speech by the guest speaker was about women as if the majority of the graduates didn't exist. Labour also directly supports quota hiring based on race (thankfully illegal here but definitely under the table) and especially on sex - so yes, my existence is quite evidently of a second-level importance. Until I mention I have autism in which case I suddenly matter a little bit again.
Furthermore, it is quite clear given that the supposedly overwhelming suicide rate affecting transgenders necessitates a diametric reversion of a definitions as old as the human race according to the contemporary left, the fact that the plethora of crisises facing young men gets a patronising 'Talk to your m8s' poster at my local bus stop (and not a single suggestion of how to solve any of the problems that it refuses to acknowledge are happening) makes it quite obvious my life is of a lower importance to them.
This isn't to mention how one's political views are a decent part the result of one's genetics and environment/life experience - so it is certainly isn't outrageous to say it's my existence that is the problem. I can't swap political allegiances like a lightbulb - I see how the world is going and made internal conclusions on human nature, much like leftist people do. I accept left-wingers have their reasons and believe it wrong just like they think mine's wrong.
You can say that if I buy everything the left's selling that I won't be hated and ergo my existence isn't hated, but at the same time the people who make this argument also say that the Republican Party in the US is racist despite having multiple non-white prominent members on the basis that liking someone who agrees with everything you say does not mean much when it comes to your hatred towards the group as a baseline.
EDIT: To give just one example from Starmer's government, misogyny has been made a hate crime, but of course not misandry. Further classes will be made that specifically isolate young boys in school, already significantly underperforming due to the feminised curriculum, about toxic masculinity and why it's bad. If Farage had come up with a 'toxic misandry' class where 10 year old girls are isolated and have to talk to say a guy who was falsely accused of rape or something similar, it would be considered madness, but it is entirely acceptable when boys are the ones at the other end of the stick.
If DEFORM retain their 5 seats, I'll be shocked next election.