Hello everyone, We just wanted to clear something up. At 3:26 - it says on screen there were 67 votes against the Tobacco and Vapes bill. In the narration, we say 57 Tory MPs voted against. These are deliberately two different numbers. Of the 67 votes against, 57 of them were Conservatives.
@@potato_nugget Because I’m not actually asking for an explanation of where the +30 came from, I’m making a statement of incredulity that there’s anyone left in the country to poll who doesn’t hate them.
If continuous governments continue to ignore or throw away the opinions of the electorate the moment they step into Downing Street Reform will continue going up and up.
@@johnbutcher2587 🤣🤣Next time? Next time it will be a majority. You dont follow political trends do you? Reform is sky rocketing in the polls. 1 point behind the Torys and only 13 points behind Labour. Now is there anything that might happen in the next 5 years that could make an anti immigration party even stronger? Is there anything that a pro immigration Labour party might do to boost Reforms numbers? It is as simple as this, more immigration = Nigel Farage as the UK`s next PM.
@@clownofthetimes6727 whilst the guy's a dick he's right. Whilst reform has growing support, the support they have is scattered across the country. You have to look at the levels of support for each seat. Based on current trends it's unlikely that they can win anymore than 12 seats. As you said things are likely to change moving forward. But based on current data it appears the UK is going to be stuck with at least 10 years of Starmers anti-british regime.
@@louiscypher4186 Reform came second in a lot, a real lot of Labour constituencies. They have a strong base in the north and midlands of England. Now considering Labour are acting like they are a pro immigrant party then I can see an increase in support in these areas for a anti immigration party. Labour will not repeat their success in 5 years time. So logically the 2nd most successfull party will take those seats which is Reform. Look at an electoral map, check out who came in second. It is Reform purple all over the place. p.s. I am not a reform voter.
The biggest issue around UK politics at the moment, is an utter refusal to accept that regardless of political spectrum, a baseline number of policies on key areas need to be agreed upon by all parties. Which is difficult in a political system that relies on absolute majorities to function.
Agreed, I'd consider myself left wing in most policies but immigration is not being talked about in a sensible way enough. Only loony Tories and Reform are. Illegal immigration needs to be stopped with full force and numbers in general brought to a sensible level. Even a lot of legal migrants are angry about the illegals coming over, getting free healthcare, housing etc while they've had to work hard and pay a lot of money to receive a lot less. They have to pay for their healthcare annually and receive no public funds or housing.
The political spectrum literally exists as it is because there are millions in the UK with values so divergent that they can't agree on those key policy areas - or even which policy areas are 'key'. If you believe that you're above the fray of ideological conflict, you are merely unaware of your role in it
@@cgt3704 And it's always been shouted down, ignored, pushed to the side... by the very people now complaining mightily that their folk got horridly shafted by it. I.E. it was only allowed to be mainstream, or discussed at all without riddicule, once the right-wing got affected by it.
They're not, and it's not even close. Reform got the ex-tory vote, conservatives who wanted to vote right wing but didn't want the Tories, they'll go back to the Tories come next election cycle in order to get a chance at unseating Labour. Reform will be like the right wing version of the Greens, nothing more
The recent Tories and Labour, both Corbyn Labour and Starmer Labour, could not be further apart. There simply isn't any commonality. I'm not sure what policies you are looking at?
Can you make the number of seats that Reform UK has make sense. They got third place with 14% and got 5 seats. However, the party in fourth place with 12% got 72 seats. Please make this make sense.
If votes were applied on a nationwide basis only, that would be proportional representation, resulting in far more seats for Reform UK. First Past The Post on the other hand is based on who wins the most votes on a region by region basis. Reform UK's vote was strong nationally, but weak on a region by region basis, as the vote was too diffuse for Reform UK to win more seats. FPTP just happens to work well for large established parties, but makes it disproportionately harder for small parties to gain a real chance of seizing power. Hence the fluke super majority for Labour when the Conservatives fell apart.
It's basically to do with the density of people with certain political views, that's why a lot of people are arguing for proportional representation because it would better represent every individual people
In a constituency every vote not for the winning party is effectively wasted, as is every vote for the winner in excess of the 2nd place party +1. So for example say you have a constituency that had this vote share Reform 10,000 Labour 4,000 Tories 3,000 Etc. 6000 of those votes for reform Don't actually do anything to benefit them in parliament. In another example say it looked like Labour 6,000 Tory 5,000 Reform 4,800 Etc. Again those 4,800 votes did nothing to translate into MPs So yeah in the case of reform it's more a result of getting low levels of support widely across the UK but not enough to swing seats (example 2). Whereas the lib Dems saw their fewer votes concentrated over a smaller area which allowed them to win more seats (more of example 1)
I found it funny that it's historically been the Lib Dems who have been crying for PR, they get 12% of the vote and 12% of the seats and suddenly they stop piping up. Odd that.
Their financing is finished, the tories are broke in every aspect. ReformUK is sucking up it's wealthy donors and paying members like a vacuum cleaner, I wouldn't be surprised if we see more tory councillor defections (there have been a large number of them recently)
NAH NO CHANCE BUT LET FARAGED HOPE, THAT,S ALL THIS RACIALIST HAS HIS WHOLE FAMILLY ARE GERMAN AND FRENCH BY THE WAY, DEMAND HE LEAVES THE UK LOL, AND TAKES THE BRAVER NEEDS A MAN WITH HIM SO RACIALIST AGAINST THE LIGHT SKINNED
If by 'concerns of the people' you mean 'the hysteria around immigration caused by right-wing tabloid newspapers', the problem isn't that those things are being 'ignored.' The problem is that the main parties have bought into the nonsense and lies, but don't appear to be as tough on those fake issues as Reform. What Labour should be doing is addressing the real problems, in order to show the people who have been tricked into scapegoating immigrants just how idiotic reform's narrative is. But they won't do that, because that would mean pursuing policies which would piss off rich people.
The concerns of the people are No1 economy / cost of living No 2 public services Immigration is not the top concern…..and in any case Reform have zero solutions for either small boats or normal immigration routes
As free speech becomes more and more constrained plus the perception of two tier ruling increases people will turn to the alternative who offer clear distance and rule for the majority
Nothing has happened to Free speech, you're just having a temper tantrum because for once in your life people are criticizing you for the stupid things you say.
Mr farage is loud, media savvy and has strong political beliefs which are resonating in a current socio-political atmosphere marred by economic downturn, rising cost of living, credibility and legitimacy crisis with the elites,raging war on the continent and angst at the high immigration numbers both legal and illegal. These cultural and economic anxieties is fuelling his party's popularity with conservatives still failing to recover from a bruising electoral defeat.
Im a forgiener living in britain for 25 out of his 30 years on earth. Love the UK and I voted Reform this year. The country has changed for the worst and we need someone with a strong stance against the current government. I think for 2024 people werent aware of how popular reform would be or even if their vote would matter to vote Reform. in the next Election you bet REFORM will be pivotal for the country. they are very likely to win the elections.
@@PascalGienger Farage and Reform atleast give them a voice or a hope for actual change. What have the Tories and Labour done for them the past decades? Nothing but destroying the country and flooding it with a new foreign clientele. Both of these parties have promised to cut immigration for the past 5 decades but never followed through.
I'm Italian and I live in the UK with double citizenship and I'm indeed not sympathizing at all immigration policies by the Tories and the Labours! Our taxes are used as a forced charity!
It def does seems like a forced donation during really tough times and the media fixation on it is almost impossible to escape. When I'm rationing myself on central heating how can we be paying for immigrants? It's such a powerful scapegoat - the economy and infrastructure suffers so much more from 100s millions unpaid corporate taxes and letting London be a haven for money laundering, it's a great distraction from what's really screwing us all over
I really enjoyed your analysis. I do however think you're completely overthinking it. The Conservatives are no longer seen as right wing by so many people right of Labour, Lib dems, Greens ect. Reform has simply filled a void many people were crying out for. Can Reform deliver? Only time will tell but the Conservatives have made it much more likely they can.
IS this the same Reform that abandoned it's manifesto two months after the election? The same Reform that doesn't tell us where it's funding comes from, and has been struggling with money since the sanctions against Russia were put in place?
Reform wont be allowed to win just like the AFD in Germany. "unexpected" errors will occur in the system and will bring their vote count down below the necessary position to win.
I think liebour have already killed themselves. Who wants to be governed by champagne socialists? Odd how many millionaires are amongst their numbers pretending to be in tune with the people they pretend to represent
You're really not wrong. It wouldn't have taken much for them to have slipped behind the Lib Dems and then that would have looked like a very different political sphere in terms of opposition because it wouldn't have been Labour just saying "it's all your fault".
Not saying I'm a supporter of Reform or not, but in my opinion... They are the only party offering a different policy from ANY other major party on Immigration. Immigration is now consistently polling as the second/third most important issue for UK voters. All other UK parties on the left and right are pretending this issue is just fine and dandy, at a time where (perhaps a majority of) the electorate think it's not. Also, from anecdotal experience I believe the mainstream media's tendancy to cast them as "far-right", "facists", "racist", "whatever", only serves to energise their base... There's nothing like someone who hates you for your beliefs to pep you up to turn out and fight.
I think immigration is a wedge issue, artificially inflated by interested parties. But it’s hard to accept immigration when your own country doesn’t look after you. That’s why, if it comes up, I always change the subject to inequality. People don’t want to accept migrants when our country is such a hard place to live in for some people.
In reality, immigration is the top issue in the country. Housing, wages, inflation, tax, and more, are actually just issues of immigration in disguise. They are all downstream results of current immigration policies.
Immigration is at the top of the list because the racist media want it to be. They don’t want you knowing where the money is actually going while you cry about foreigners. Every media personality you follow got a massive tax cut just now of Jeremy Hunt, but immigrants apparently. While you scream immigration, they’ve got their hands wrist deep in your pocket and you appears happy to let it continue
They don't have any policy. At all. They didn't have a manifesto, they had a "contract", which they have now withdrawn. They have rhetoric and sound bites. They are "working on new ones"
Reform have some good ideas but their anti-EU agenda is not in the country’s interest. It might be worth reflecting on why Poland can thrive in the EU while Brexiteers are convinced the U.K. is better off outside the block.
You are comparing apples with oranges, poorer nations benefit far more than wealthier nations because they benefit from eu financial grants and financial support, Bulgaria’s entire metro system was built on EU money. It also gives their citizens access to benefits from wealthier eu member states which is not mutually beneficial.
FARAGED CAN, HE HAS !!!SOME SUPPORT HIS SEXUAL ABUSING MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN JAIL JUST AS TOMMY ROBBING SON FOLLOWERS WERE EX PAEDEOPHILES ON PAROLE OR RELEASED FROM LOL
that's why nigel is attacking so much, he knows he wont ever have to prove his plans work so its fair game for him. god forbid he ever gets in power he will most likely be fucked and people will then find out he is just an antagonist.
They are using the recent 'favorability' poll that looks at how 'happy' people are with the party post election. The popularity comment isn't about voter numbers at the last election, it is about post election sentiment
From context it sounds like they were using net favourability, where the greens would benefit from being relatively uninteresting compared to reform. Where people either approve or disapprove of reform, they just don't care about the greens.
@@HopeGreen-m7iit’s the exact opposite, if he had no personal judgement he would believe all the media’s bullshit. You have to have that to be able to see through the media’s bullshit. If you think for more than 2 seconds you might agree
When was the last time you heard about the green party leader. You haven't or if you have it's not even close to the amount of times. The media platform Farrage. He makes considerably more appearances on news outlets than anyone from similarly sized parties.
@@JasonAtlas I see him more than Labour and the Tories combined. Annoyingly so. Which is odd because I never like his stuff and limit my engagement with his videos but I'll constantly see his or GBNews clips appearing on youtube along with right wing channels I've never heard of, or see frequent influxes of tweets from him. I've seen a Labour thing once maybe twice. Most of the time I have to actively seek these out.
since the 90's its been hard to see any real difference between tory and labour. The rise of SNP in Scotland showed this also regardless of if people supported indy ref or not its the change and something different that is needed. The US election has also showed this as well that 2 party politics is not good for a country.
Both labour and Tory simply would not listen to the wishes of the population. Instead they lectured the public, recited the racist mantra at every opportunity and blundered blindly on.
Are there examples? No. Because shouting loudly and complaining isn't policy. An opposition of now would have a response and a counterpoint to the proposed legislation. This party of Mosley cosplayers are only in opposition to democratic consensus and decency.
@@kanedNunable Nigel has been talking about making a British constitution, net zero immigration, pro free speech. Tories are nothing like, Tories at best are a centrist party
As a reform U.K. voter I want to explain while I (for the most part) support first past the post. Yes, it benefits established parties and yes it is clearly less democratic, but it is fantastic for stability. I voted reform, because I genuinely felt like they made the best case to what I care about. However, if reform got into power immediately after the conservatives after not really establishing themselves for a very long time, then (while i think policy wise they were the best option) that would have been a very reactionary vote and destabilised the nation considerably. Look at the political turmoil in Europe from representative elections allowing reactionary left and right parties more of a say. Thats not to say it doesn’t have issues that need fixing, 4m voters represented by 5 MPs should never happen and a Labour Party with such a super majority with so few votes should also not happen, so there are things with FPTP that need fixing but we shouldn’t get rid of it. Come the next election cycle farage will be able to establish his party better and get some serious seats come 2029. But for the most part I like the fact that FPTP forces Britain to only make slow shifts in politics and can help keep our political landscape stable, only with long established support will the nations direction change. The system needs reform but we need to be cautious about ending it completely
I'm curious to know, genuinely interested, how you feel Reform will benefit you in terms of housing/infrastructure or help with issues like homelessness? I don't know anyone who voted Reform so would be really interested to hear your perspective
@@helenchelmicka well the main 2 policies that reform raise that are attractive to me was the raising of non taxable income to £20k (I genuinely think this would work absolute wonders for the poorest in the country and genuinely get people off benefits). And the fact that reform U.K. were the only party who I believed actually cared about limiting immigration (the conservatives say one thing and do the other and labours rhetoric on the issue felt insincere and merely lip service to what they knew was a growing consensus among the population). Now the benefits to housing and infrastructure I see coming from reform relate mainly to their immigration policy, the two main reasons being the immense scale of immigration clearly adding to the demand on the housing market, the scale of immigration coming in makes it virtually impossible to simply build more houses to fix the housing crises because we simply wouldn’t be able to build them fast enough (also because I personally really value our green space and would hate to see farm land and green belt space being built upon). Furthermore, the insane amount of money it is costing us to house and process “asylum seekers” is astounding, our infrastructure requires investment, now unless you want to massively raise your taxes, you need to find somewhere to save money. Just for a comparison, I remember seeing a significant minority of people complaining about the cost of Charles III coronation (£72m) during a cost of living crisis; now if we look at how much we are paying per day to hotels in order to house asylum seekers it’s £8m! Thats just one of the many expenses that these asylum seekers entail. Thats the same as whole coronation every 9 days. If we make great savings in areas like this I would expect the majority of the savings to be put into revitalising our infrastructure (particularly trains)
The fact starmer referred to rishi yesterday as prime minister 3 times blows me away....how is this so called prime minister still calling rishi HIS JOB ROLE is just absolutely beyond me !!!
5 times actually. This is what's known as 'Freudian slip' and reveals Starmer feels unworthy of his position. This insecurity will likely result in reckless decisions attempting to validate himself during his tenure.
Reform can win in the areas that the Tories wouldn't be touched with a barge pole while the Tories can still get a lot of their heartland back because they still have a core that find Reform unpalatable. The natural thing the Tories have to do when they get a new leader, is to make some sort of deal with Reform because that is an awful lot of seats to have to claw back without Labour imploding.
If media keeps giving them the attention they need, they will be. And then you can make great videos on why our democracy is dieing. So thanks in advance!
5:38 “Farage providing opposition…” Exactly. It’s not so much Reform being an 5:38 opposition party, as Farage being an opposition leader. The Reform Party is just The Nigel Farage Show.
Farage can't even provide an office in Clatcon, never mind provide opposition. The man has been to America more times since being elected than he has been in his own constituency
Farage modelled himself after Trump... Only Trump was even more skilful in that he somehow managed to hijack one of the US' longest serving established parties The GOP is actually doomed.
@@purpledevilr7463 they ask the DUMBEST questions in parliament, just look at the absolute garbage SIX BOB GOB asks. he's an embarrassment to this country
They seem to be the only ones willing to do anything about unwanted migration, and that's the number 1 issue for about half the UK population. Saved you a 10 min video.
yep. But do they really want to rule ? their whole economics programme is a mix of keynesianism somehow promised along tax cuts, along with libertarian lalaland. True, after Brexit, nobody really is going to ever trust Farage again on economics. But it's easy to promise you're going to crush immigration numbers without saying how while staying out power, knowing that talking only about immigration may make you a strong opposition party, but not a government party.
They want to destroy the uk's position as a country that upholds international law by refusing to uphold our obligations under the 1951 refugee convention
The problem is him saying net zero migration includes LEGAL migration, which is real handy economically. I can understand both sides saying whether those on the boats are an economic good or bad in the long run but that’s only 10% of all migration.
Ive never understood why polls exist in the UK. Why would anyone care what a poll says today when there isn't going to be a general election for five years?
To make a law that says that some adult citizens are allowed something and some adult citizens are not based solely on their year of birth is something for which the politicians should be defenestrated. You cannot imagine more arbitrary injustice and inequality.
He's a great communicator, he sounds authoritative and convincing, he offers simple solutions to complex problems, he's set himself up as an anti establishment alternative. God help us IMO.
More like oversimplified and delusional. "we would have a paradise life if the whole world just agree with us" And they can "bash" literally any opposition because they "do not have the will to do the necessary steps" Its a social paradox because when a plan fails one part of people admits defeat and realise the world doesn't revolves around them while another group of people think they just didn't used enough brute force to make things work... And I wouldn't say he's a communicator. Farage is an egoistic manipulator who instantly brushes off responsibilities.
Yet there is a very simply way Labour can get reform voters on side. Crack down on two tier policing and stop being in complete denial about the refugee crisis. Before you jump the gun, I voted for Labour to get the tories out, and the only thing I’ve seen so far is the other side of the same coin.
@@emanuel1940 The opposite site literally allowed mass SA against women because they were scared of being racist.. yet some charismatic center right lad is the issue?
@@yicken4857 higher percentage, but UKIP got more votes due to a higher turnout. But until they consolidate their voter base, they’re always going to be a fringe party like the greens.
Labour have been a disaster after only a few months, no honeymoon period for Starmer. I dread to think where we will be in 5 years. The tories might elect a leader who says the right things but their problem will be credibility after failing to deliver on their policies before. If the tories elect a wet then it’s over for them. Farage looks more appealing by the day.
Reform UK has a limit to what support they can obtain. I would say that if LibDems and Greens can form a coalition, they could pose a far more credible challenge to Labour.
Lmao I don't think those parties have much in common. LibDems are the 'I'm left wing but I don't like labour' vote and Greens are some unholy combination of islamists, dim college students and net zero investors
Greens are just melons, green on the outside red on the inside. LibDems are the same for all that actually matters. They're all the same for what matters.
Too early to say. If the Conservatives start pulling in the same direction or if they pull themselves apart! But Reform has a big part to play in this no matter what happens.
They’re knackered either way. They lose 20% of their support if they pivot right toward reform and lose 20% if they go back to 1 nation toryism. Neither would give them enough people to coalition with Reform. Their biggest hope is still the left fracturing more under FPTP
YEP HILIGHTING THE SEXUAL ABUSES AFTER ALL MORE MEMBERS OF REFORM??????? HAVE SPENT TIME IN JAIL FOR SEXUAL ABUSE AGAINST WOMEN, WOW, WHATEVER NEXT! THE MIND DOTH BOGGL, FARAGED NOW ABUSES! THE CHILDREN OF SAID WOMEN??? ALLEDEDGLY!! SO FAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
yep, totaly destryt the nhs after all, more immigrants work for uk nhs than any british do lol, wow next year u be begging and pleading to fartingaged, for an aspirin
The Tories become New Reform UK with their policies, Nigel steps aside, and they clean up the right wing vote. Assuming they're capable of pulling it off. Like they weren't with Brexit when UKIP stepped aside when they adopted it as their policy.
I believe that the same thing that happened to the Progressive Conservative party of Canada after the 1993 election will happen to the Conservatives in the near future.
I voted for the guy and even I can't make sense of it. I don't think he realises how many pubs in this country are on the brink. It might be popular amongst the general public but it won't reflect well on him when a wave of pubs close down because of this stupid bill.
I supported the general labour policies and ideas overall, but the fact that this has somehow ended up being a major thing, and has been one of the first policies the new government has implemented, idk, why is this even a thing there’s far bigger problems parliament should be focusing on
There is nothing libertarian about Liz Truss' budget. I (not from UK) was very hopeful for her, but what she did with the massive spending increases is absolutely not libertarian.
Labour 2019: 12 million votes Labour 2024: 9 million votes The loss of millions of voters and building government as a house on sand is also impressive
@@BlueW01f yes it’s correct. You’re implying that the reform vote share is unimpressive. I’m adding that the labour massive loss of votes is equally unimpressive (seeing as they won)
@@CB-dl1vg I'm saying the idea that reforms share of the votes is impressive 'because of how they're a new party' is rather flawed...because the share of the vote they achieved is entirely the same as that of UKIP, garage's previous party. They've not increased votes, they've merely changed the name the voters tick. What's this got to do with labour again?
We need electoral reform, anyone with a sense of ethics would realise they had no mandate to form a government with the support of just 20% of the electorate. I sent this letter to my Labour MP, Ian Lavery : Dear Mr.Lavery, 27 July 2024 2024 General Election result. I would like to know whether you consider the result of the general election on 4 July a fair outcome for the people of this country? Let us look at some of the figures : 1. The turnout - 59.1% or rather only 6 out of 10 of the electorate voted, one of the lowest turnouts since WW2 which should concern anyone who believes in democracy. 2.Labour got just 1.6% more votes than in 2019 but have 411 seats. 3.The Labour share of the vote was 33.7% but got 64% of the seats. 4. Cons on 6.8million (23.7%) and 121 seats (18%) 5. ReformUK got 4.1 million votes, (14%) yet only 5 MPs (1%) of the seats. 6..The LibDems got 3.8 million votes (13%) yet 72 MPs (13%) of the seats In summary an accurate reflection of votes to seats is as follows with the figures in brackets showing what they actually got: Labour 221 (411) Cons 150 (121) LibDems 84 (72) ReformUK 91 (5) In other words Labour got 190 more seats than they were entitled to while ReformUK got 86 less, this is the kind of result that would make even Vladimir Putin blush! It took about 800000 votes to get a ReformUK MP and 30000 to get a Labour one. It also allowed 5 Hamas terror group supporters with a tiny vote share to get 5 MPs, the same number as ReformUK. This has been the most unrepresentative election of the last 200 years, the Labour Party was supported by about 20% of the electorate which gives you no democratic mandate at all. The Labour conference in 2017 supported a change from FPTP to a PR system, will you now ensure your government moves to introduce it so that the 8 out of 10 people who did not support you have a voice? I look forward to your reply in the near future.
What system would you introduce? My concern is if we made it law for people to have to vote and every vote counted equally. Just due to population size the city of London would have more voting power than Wales and Scotland. Which would sway politicians to focus on policies which would only favour urban areas with larger populations, increasing regional inequality. I am not saying this is the system you are proposing. I am just using an extreme case as a way to explain a concern a little more clearly
@@lordnoodle2146 Personally I like STV as used in the last EU election, you can see the much higher turnout when people feel their vote is not wasted. I'm not in favour of forcing people to vote and I certainly would not support it unless there was a box on the paper marked "None of the above" My main concern is shaking the apathy of those who don't vote, no one can call our current system "democratic".
Yes and no. The problem is that Labour, Greens and Lib Dems did major tactical voting for each other and are pretty similar in policy. They got 52.3% of the votes cast. Conservatives and Reform got 38%. Therefore left/liberal definitely won. You can only go with the people that vote even if turnout was low. I don't like where Starmers government is going at the moment (but I am a soft Tory) over freedoms with the response I believe is heavy handed for the riots (fast sentencing, long sentences for relatively minor stuff and releasing convicted people from prison early in the process seems insane), the fiscal thing (raise NI at least to what it was and stick a point on basic and higher) and the smoking thing
@@nath9091 The key problem has been that for the last 40 years the Conservative Party has not been "conservative", they have allowed the education system to brainwash entire generations with "woke, net zero, anti free speech" beliefs. The key failure (or rather the deliberate policy) is immigration that will see the white British population a minority in our own country within 25 years according to the ONS. This is the first time in recorded history that an advanced civilisation has had leaders who have deliberately destroyed it!
So, if I understand properly, the UK is facing a number of existential challenges, and yet, the government is focused on ending underage smoking? I’m confused.
Reforrm UK have 5 seats the Tories have 121, opinion polls, vote share, etc are totally irrelevant. Like it or not, the Tories are still the main opposition and will be until there is another election -which won't be for at least 4 years. I suspect at the next election with 4-5 years of labour who will almost certainly increase taxes, many people who switched to Reform will go back to the Tories, because who remembers 5 years ago - Reform will go down to probably 1 or 2 seats. Farage will be 70 and will step down as leader and Reform will collapse. Obviously this guy loves Reform, but is election is likely to be their high point.
Funny how Farage got into trouble with his super Dulux rich persons only bank account so soon after the Sanctions were placed on Russia and they couldn't pump roubles into the country anymore isn't it?
Y afraid of right wing?? I feel Leftist n Wokes are absolute racist , extremist and causing chaos everywhere…These Left always giving voice for freedom of expression but never gave a chance to listen the voices of right wing…Leftist only good for ruining and mess around …
A LOT less people voted this time. Yet they maintained and even exceeded their previous total votes. Doesn't take a genius to see that as massive growth.
@@FatMonkeyUK It should also be pointed out their is massive political apathy, so that that problem might actually be sorted by the other parties getting their act together
I disagree with the framing that only those on the opposite end of the political spectrum can provide the best opposition. Being a good opposition is about holding the government to account on delivering for the public not just disagreeing on everything. This is why I don't like your example with the smoking ban. The fact that the tories and labour want to reduce smoking and reform don't doesn't make them a better opposition if reducing smoking is good for the public.
@@AngusMcIntyre But the public want more restrictions on smoking!! Don't you realise that Labour and the Tories are pursuing a populist policy by wishing to have further restrictions on smoking?
Can anyone be blamed for looking at the current state of the UK and wanting better? The crime, violence, migrants given preferential treatment in jobs, housing - even in the law.
Legally no, existing citizens receive priority despite how much disinformation is going around to the contrary. In regards to the law I’m assuming you’re referring to the two tier policing conspiracy, which to be honest is only really propped up by people on twitter and the Daily Mail/GB News (not particularly reputable news sources).
I mean. You chose to believe what your preferred party tells you the problem is. Immigration is a crisis everywhere in Europe. The reality is far away from what you are claiming to be, there are no country that gives preference to immigrants. Your party just takes one problem and turn it into racisim
@@sirgo0se97 that's simply not true. Whether it be jobs, housing or education- migrants are put before British - and even in law, white people are more likely to be investigated and then given a harsher sentence if found guilty.
@@sirgo0se97 You could argue on your first point, you'd be wrong, as it's a de jure vs de facto discussion. On two tier policing, it beyond argument, there's two tier policing.
This is such an interesting convo! 🧐 Reform UK's rise could shake things up big time, especially if they're seen as the new main opposition. I wonder if they'll actually change how politics in the UK works or just be more of the same. 🤔🗳️
I reject your assertion that the opposition to Labour must come from the right. Starmer pulled his party far to the right, so there is equally a large number of left wingers opposed to several of his ideas that need representing. You can easily pick another issue Starmer has a stance of that appeases right wings and not left. It highlights how unfit our Democracy is that it doesn’t facilitate oppositions on both sides.
@@orestesmitas you must be on the right, since your reading comprehension is clearly awful. Moving a party further right doesnt make it right wing. Its a centerist party, thats my point. It used to be left, but he moved it right, so now its firmly center, leaving lefties and righties equally in opposition.
@allergy5634 He also took her portrait down in No.10. It’s possible to praise and admonish different parts and actions of the same person if you’re not a bleeding tribalist.
@@orestesmitas He's firmly centre right, taking up the Tories position from 2010 after the purge of the leftwing of the Labour party. And heavily, heavily swinging in on the Authoritarian front. Gotta bang that police drum.
@@orestesmitas He said Starmer pulled Labour far to the right (of Corbyn,) not "to the far right." He's not calling Starmer far right, just a centrist.
I'm not quite sure why you used the smoking ban as an example. This is very clearly a unique circumstance where the tories and labour have similar policies. Just because reform disagree with labour on more things dose not automatically make them a better opposition. Its not just about disagreeing on every thing.
People then: "Brexit shouldn't happen, 52% of the vote isn't big enough to make a major change to this country. Also, if you add all of those who didn't vote to the 'no' vote, you actually get just 37% supporting Leave, which isn't good enough" People now: "of course Labour have a mandate to make big changes to this country on 34% of the popular vote, as they got the most SEATS, and that's all that matters! And you can't argue that they only got 20% if you also include those who didn't vote, as they don't count. They should have voted, that's their fault! 😂" And people wonder why more and more people are turning off from politics? 🤷🏻♂️
Thing is that, wherever you're coming from, counted as their own bloc, the non-voters in ANY election have a fair chance of coming in 2nd place. In local council elections, more often than not that's 1st place. It's also an inconvenient truth that neither side in ANY binary debate can claim to enjoy the support of non-participants ... whatever they may claim. Then you have situations such as referendums, where a single issue (be it Scottish independence, brexit, voting systems, or doggy-do on the village green) can and regularly do engage some from those normally uninvolved demographics (because you can't assume all non-votes share the same rationale for being a no-show at the ballot box). Trust NO-ONE who claims there's a simple answer. It's by no means certain there's a complex one.
You are forgetting that if you add all the progressive Green, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and Independent candidate votes, it still adds up to 56%. So, yes although Labour shouldn't have a majority in a fairer system, people still voted for progressive parties overall.
@@lukeneilson9799 Well I'm not sure about including independent candidates, as it might take some time to look into who is left leaning and who right. But for the larger, mainstream parties: sure, you could argue they are all "left leaning" (though I'm sure the Lib Dems used to be more centrist?), but they don't agree on every policy, as we've seen over the recent Winter Fuel Allowance issue. So compared to Brexit and the one question, can the voters of those parties really all be lumped together? Especially as then it begs the question: if they all agree with each other, why didn't they all just vote Labour? 🤷🏻♂️
@@RobinHarris-nf4yv Yes, but many of those people are still happy for Labour to do whatever they need to, despite their low vote-share. That's my point. Either 52% isn't good enough, and so neither is 34%, or both are. I never said people don't acknowledge both figures occurred
well duh they are people say U.S. ha s a uniparty and while true U.K. has an even closer one. I see, literally, no difference between Labour and Tories ( they aren't Conservative in the slightest)
And Labour aren't really socialist either, just authoritarian. Banning smoking and jailing hooligans aren't really policies designed to help the working class lol. They're all in it to help London and London Finance.
@@Ryan-me9ge Good point. One of his strong points was that when the Brexit is done there would be more money for NHS and after Brexit, when there wasn't more funds available he denied that was a part of his campaign. He is no better then the rest of them the only difference is that nothing that was good for him or his party was good for anyone else.
It's too fast to predict of the Reform Party popularity if the Conservative Party change their leadership and find best way to serve the people, Conservative will be strong agin.
oh yes. If the left finally came to his senses about immigration, and physical and cultural insecurity, instead of dreaming of borderless lalaland and replacing the defense of workers with the spoiled depressive kids BS & pseudoscience imported from american campuses, the far right would drop under 10 %. Thisis what happened everywhere where the left actually did this: Norway, Finnland, Denmark.
How about a party (or limited company ... who's fussy?) for socialist leaning folk proud of their flag? Just to make it clear it's nothing nasty, put an appropriate word in, add something implying choice and you get National Socialist Democratic Alternative Party, the NSDA..... Oh .... hold on a sec ....
Try re-listening to what they said. What's on screen is how first-choice Labour voters would vote if they couldn't/wouldn't/didn't vote for Labour. Lib Dem is therefore the most popular second choice.
The graph describes the percentage of people who have various different parties as their second choice. The claim is not that Reform is the 2nd most popular 2nd choice.
I think theyre growing just because of the political reswntmwnt that ia growing. Farage although he has been in politics a long time ia marketting himself as an alternative poloticin different from the rest. Its a strategy that works
The Reform party didn't rise from nowhere. its a rebranding of the Brexit party, which in turn was a rebranding of UKIP (though some stayed behind under the UKIP banner). Should 14% have got them more seats in parliament? Yes, But I didn't hear Lee Anderson support Electoral Reform when he was a Conservative. I accept Farage has done, for a while. Its true Reform has more influence than 5 MPs but that's partly because so much of the media sings their tune. They basically have their own TV Channel in GB news. now it seems TLDR is prepared to post a video saying they are the real opposition, despite a graphic showing the Lib Dem have a stronger claim
lib dem is the party of southern villages and virtue signalling lefties who have too much money to vote labour, while reform are the only party supporting a policy which is probably the number 1 to half of brits
So, why aren't the Lib Dems flexing their 12% opposition muscles based on their much stronger seat numbers than 14% Reform UK, while the larger Conservative opposition are fully preoccupied with getting their stuff together?
don,t fret we in uk fought for our rights decades ago, free nhs ect that most in europe abused ect ect, however as starmer is funded by tobacco companies lets wait and see
@@Cader-ce6bvagree it's or no one will do a thing about it and it will only hurt the gdp even more now, or they will use the cops and the uk would get a new black market.
So easy to control the behavior, up to and including speech and thought, of law abiding citizens. No risk involved. When it comes to real threats, denial, denial, denial, is the easiest path.
Yep, I prefer free top quality healthcare and a solid social system. The tories tried to take that away for 16 years, now it will get supported again. Outdoor smoking? I suggest perhaps we just say that smokers don't get the free healthcare instead? Gratuitous self harm seems like something that shouldn't be paid for by the rest of us. When smokers pay for their own problems, then they can smoke where they like, to be honest.
Hello everyone,
We just wanted to clear something up. At 3:26 - it says on screen there were 67 votes against the Tobacco and Vapes bill. In the narration, we say 57 Tory MPs voted against.
These are deliberately two different numbers. Of the 67 votes against, 57 of them were Conservatives.
Yep I’ve spotted it too
you also said every labour voted against but theres red in the no vote
@@tyler361t2 he said they voted for not against
net favorability of -70% is absolutely wild
IKR? Where’d that +30% come from?
@@Bushflare -70% approval means 15% favour, since to get net -70 you have to have +15 and -85.
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Ngl my dude, it was just a joke.
@@BushflareWhat is that even supposed to mean? He was explaining that you misunderstood the number, how does it being just a joke change that?
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Because I’m not actually asking for an explanation of where the +30 came from, I’m making a statement of incredulity that there’s anyone left in the country to poll who doesn’t hate them.
If continuous governments continue to ignore or throw away the opinions of the electorate the moment they step into Downing Street Reform will continue going up and up.
Yes they may get 6 seats next time 😂
@@johnbutcher2587 🤣🤣Next time? Next time it will be a majority.
You dont follow political trends do you?
Reform is sky rocketing in the polls. 1 point behind the Torys and only 13 points behind Labour.
Now is there anything that might happen in the next 5 years that could make an anti immigration party even stronger?
Is there anything that a pro immigration Labour party might do to boost Reforms numbers?
It is as simple as this, more immigration = Nigel Farage as the UK`s next PM.
@@clownofthetimes6727 whilst the guy's a dick he's right.
Whilst reform has growing support, the support they have is scattered across the country.
You have to look at the levels of support for each seat. Based on current trends it's unlikely that they can win anymore than 12 seats.
As you said things are likely to change moving forward. But based on current data it appears the UK is going to be stuck with at least 10 years of Starmers anti-british regime.
@@louiscypher4186 Reform came second in a lot, a real lot of Labour constituencies.
They have a strong base in the north and midlands of England.
Now considering Labour are acting like they are a pro immigrant party then I can see an increase in support in these areas for a anti immigration party.
Labour will not repeat their success in 5 years time. So logically the 2nd most successfull party will take those seats which is Reform.
Look at an electoral map, check out who came in second.
It is Reform purple all over the place.
p.s. I am not a reform voter.
@@clownofthetimes6727loooooooooool sigh
The biggest issue around UK politics at the moment, is an utter refusal to accept that regardless of political spectrum, a baseline number of policies on key areas need to be agreed upon by all parties.
Which is difficult in a political system that relies on absolute majorities to function.
This is the most nuanced and objective political point I've ever heard.
Your a real patriot.
I'm an American, and my government will sadly never understand your point
Agreed, I'd consider myself left wing in most policies but immigration is not being talked about in a sensible way enough. Only loony Tories and Reform are.
Illegal immigration needs to be stopped with full force and numbers in general brought to a sensible level.
Even a lot of legal migrants are angry about the illegals coming over, getting free healthcare, housing etc while they've had to work hard and pay a lot of money to receive a lot less. They have to pay for their healthcare annually and receive no public funds or housing.
@@sueyourself5413ridiculous comment
The political spectrum literally exists as it is because there are millions in the UK with values so divergent that they can't agree on those key policy areas - or even which policy areas are 'key'. If you believe that you're above the fray of ideological conflict, you are merely unaware of your role in it
I don't smoke, but I do not intend to restrict their rights at all.
video is great example of why FPtP is awful
it shows how good our system is, despite 10 idiots from every council estate voting reform.
so funny how people only are complaining about FPtP now that it affects the right
@@dresdi oh please this complaint has been going on for longer than that.
@@dresdi good keep the far right at bay
@@cgt3704 And it's always been shouted down, ignored, pushed to the side... by the very people now complaining mightily that their folk got horridly shafted by it.
I.E. it was only allowed to be mainstream, or discussed at all without riddicule, once the right-wing got affected by it.
If you need farages' growing popularity explained to you then you are probably one of the reasons his popularity is growing
Reform already are the opposition. The Tories and Labour have been the same thing for over 20 years.
They're not, and it's not even close. Reform got the ex-tory vote, conservatives who wanted to vote right wing but didn't want the Tories, they'll go back to the Tories come next election cycle in order to get a chance at unseating Labour.
Reform will be like the right wing version of the Greens, nothing more
Not true, Corbyn wasn’t saying the same thing at all
Reform and Tories are the same
@@RobinHarris-nf4yvTell that to the folks screaming bloody murder about how far right Reform is.
@@CoolMaster-gr3bp Well, they're culturally further right.
The recent Tories and Labour, both Corbyn Labour and Starmer Labour, could not be further apart. There simply isn't any commonality. I'm not sure what policies you are looking at?
Can you make the number of seats that Reform UK has make sense. They got third place with 14% and got 5 seats. However, the party in fourth place with 12% got 72 seats. Please make this make sense.
If votes were applied on a nationwide basis only, that would be proportional representation, resulting in far more seats for Reform UK. First Past The Post on the other hand is based on who wins the most votes on a region by region basis. Reform UK's vote was strong nationally, but weak on a region by region basis, as the vote was too diffuse for Reform UK to win more seats.
FPTP just happens to work well for large established parties, but makes it disproportionately harder for small parties to gain a real chance of seizing power. Hence the fluke super majority for Labour when the Conservatives fell apart.
It's basically to do with the density of people with certain political views, that's why a lot of people are arguing for proportional representation because it would better represent every individual people
In a constituency every vote not for the winning party is effectively wasted, as is every vote for the winner in excess of the 2nd place party +1.
So for example say you have a constituency that had this vote share
Reform 10,000
Labour 4,000
Tories 3,000
Etc.
6000 of those votes for reform Don't actually do anything to benefit them in parliament.
In another example say it looked like
Labour 6,000
Tory 5,000
Reform 4,800
Etc.
Again those 4,800 votes did nothing to translate into MPs
So yeah in the case of reform it's more a result of getting low levels of support widely across the UK but not enough to swing seats (example 2). Whereas the lib Dems saw their fewer votes concentrated over a smaller area which allowed them to win more seats (more of example 1)
Worth saying voting would be different without fptp.
I for one would have voted lib dem over labour.
I found it funny that it's historically been the Lib Dems who have been crying for PR, they get 12% of the vote and 12% of the seats and suddenly they stop piping up. Odd that.
If the Tories are just Blue Blairities then yeah don't be too shocked.
Their financing is finished, the tories are broke in every aspect. ReformUK is sucking up it's wealthy donors and paying members like a vacuum cleaner, I wouldn't be surprised if we see more tory councillor defections (there have been a large number of them recently)
Tories are blue blairites and Labour are red tories both are neoliberal parties
Reform are light-blue blairites. They sound like a bunch wokies these days.
If the main parties ignore the concerns of the people then Reform will continue to grow.
Because the ‘concerns of the people’ are privatising the NHS and removing human rights 😂
NAH NO CHANCE BUT LET FARAGED HOPE, THAT,S ALL THIS RACIALIST HAS HIS WHOLE FAMILLY ARE GERMAN AND FRENCH BY THE WAY, DEMAND HE LEAVES THE UK LOL, AND TAKES THE BRAVER NEEDS A MAN WITH HIM SO RACIALIST AGAINST THE LIGHT SKINNED
reform wont solve anything tho. they are just turbo tories. they will only make things worse.
If by 'concerns of the people' you mean 'the hysteria around immigration caused by right-wing tabloid newspapers', the problem isn't that those things are being 'ignored.' The problem is that the main parties have bought into the nonsense and lies, but don't appear to be as tough on those fake issues as Reform.
What Labour should be doing is addressing the real problems, in order to show the people who have been tricked into scapegoating immigrants just how idiotic reform's narrative is. But they won't do that, because that would mean pursuing policies which would piss off rich people.
The concerns of the people are
No1 economy / cost of living
No 2 public services
Immigration is not the top concern…..and in any case Reform have zero solutions for either small boats or normal immigration routes
tbh no one needs an explanation anymore, just look out the window, look at your bills, look at your cities
I rather vote libdem
@@angelantayhua3096 yeah keep voting in circles that should do the trick 😂😂
Lib Dems are much better than R*form
@@angelantayhua3096what a clown
@@angelantayhua3096 Yes of course Libdem are going to fix this mess.. Vote for the same, get the same.
As free speech becomes more and more constrained plus the perception of two tier ruling increases people will turn to the alternative who offer clear distance and rule for the majority
Nothing has happened to Free speech, you're just having a temper tantrum because for once in your life people are criticizing you for the stupid things you say.
Mr farage is loud, media savvy and has strong political beliefs which are resonating in a current socio-political atmosphere marred by economic downturn, rising cost of living, credibility and legitimacy crisis with the elites,raging war on the continent and angst at the high immigration numbers both legal and illegal. These cultural and economic anxieties is fuelling his party's popularity with conservatives still failing to recover from a bruising electoral defeat.
@@Derek-Trotter I thought it was spot on
Im a forgiener living in britain for 25 out of his 30 years on earth. Love the UK and I voted Reform this year. The country has changed for the worst and we need someone with a strong stance against the current government.
I think for 2024 people werent aware of how popular reform would be or even if their vote would matter to vote Reform. in the next Election you bet REFORM will be pivotal for the country. they are very likely to win the elections.
If you are a foreigner you shouldn't have a vote.
Big chungus sends his regards
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Sigma, sigma on the wall, who is the skibidiest of them all?
erm, years of the establishment ignoring the working classes?
Farage is the establishment you fool
What did Farage and Brexit do for the working classes?
@@PascalGienger Farage and Reform atleast give them a voice or a hope for actual change. What have the Tories and Labour done for them the past decades? Nothing but destroying the country and flooding it with a new foreign clientele. Both of these parties have promised to cut immigration for the past 5 decades but never followed through.
@@PascalGienger govern me harder daddy
@@PascalGiengerwhat mandate was he given
I'm Italian and I live in the UK with double citizenship and I'm indeed not sympathizing at all immigration policies by the Tories and the Labours! Our taxes are used as a forced charity!
It def does seems like a forced donation during really tough times and the media fixation on it is almost impossible to escape. When I'm rationing myself on central heating how can we be paying for immigrants?
It's such a powerful scapegoat - the economy and infrastructure suffers so much more from 100s millions unpaid corporate taxes and letting London be a haven for money laundering, it's a great distraction from what's really screwing us all over
I really enjoyed your analysis. I do however think you're completely overthinking it.
The Conservatives are no longer seen as right wing by so many people right of Labour, Lib dems, Greens ect.
Reform has simply filled a void many people were crying out for. Can Reform deliver? Only time will tell but the Conservatives have made it much more likely they can.
Reform are not filling a void people are crying out for
Reform are populists selling snake oil and gaslighting people
If labour dont get their shit straight then reform will win the next election.
IS this the same Reform that abandoned it's manifesto two months after the election?
The same Reform that doesn't tell us where it's funding comes from, and has been struggling with money since the sanctions against Russia were put in place?
Reform wont be allowed to win just like the AFD in Germany. "unexpected" errors will occur in the system and will bring their vote count down below the necessary position to win.
I think liebour have already killed themselves. Who wants to be governed by champagne socialists? Odd how many millionaires are amongst their numbers pretending to be in tune with the people they pretend to represent
Big Chungus Guy becoming the opposition before GTA VI 🗣️🗣️
Pepe momento
sigma sigma spider climbed up the skibidi spout.
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what have you done with big chungus I saw you vent in electrical
The reality: Tories got so comfortable governing for 14 years that they don't know how to operate in opposition. Reform has filled this vacuum. 👍
You're really not wrong. It wouldn't have taken much for them to have slipped behind the Lib Dems and then that would have looked like a very different political sphere in terms of opposition because it wouldn't have been Labour just saying "it's all your fault".
Not saying I'm a supporter of Reform or not, but in my opinion...
They are the only party offering a different policy from ANY other major party on Immigration. Immigration is now consistently polling as the second/third most important issue for UK voters. All other UK parties on the left and right are pretending this issue is just fine and dandy, at a time where (perhaps a majority of) the electorate think it's not.
Also, from anecdotal experience I believe the mainstream media's tendancy to cast them as "far-right", "facists", "racist", "whatever", only serves to energise their base...
There's nothing like someone who hates you for your beliefs to pep you up to turn out and fight.
I think immigration is a wedge issue, artificially inflated by interested parties. But it’s hard to accept immigration when your own country doesn’t look after you. That’s why, if it comes up, I always change the subject to inequality. People don’t want to accept migrants when our country is such a hard place to live in for some people.
@@foxbat51 Immigrants are used to lower wages
In reality, immigration is the top issue in the country.
Housing, wages, inflation, tax, and more, are actually just issues of immigration in disguise. They are all downstream results of current immigration policies.
Immigration is at the top of the list because the racist media want it to be. They don’t want you knowing where the money is actually going while you cry about foreigners.
Every media personality you follow got a massive tax cut just now of Jeremy Hunt, but immigrants apparently.
While you scream immigration, they’ve got their hands wrist deep in your pocket and you appears happy to let it continue
They don't have any policy. At all. They didn't have a manifesto, they had a "contract", which they have now withdrawn. They have rhetoric and sound bites.
They are "working on new ones"
why are there so many fake bot porn accounts commenting
Neo-marxists doing their usual trying to scream down any other opinion by any means necessary
Because British politics is thoroughly fucked. (Badum-Tish)
Because youtube has no method or want to stop the insane amount of bots that get pumped into the comments.
@@archieenry1601
You wanna come out to the desktop and say that to my interface, punk?
Because the fake investment bots are having the day off?
the Tories are not right wing in the slightest. no difference between tories and labor
The Tories and Labour are right wing
@@comradecaspy no not really unless your comparing to outright socialism
@@Periodedetelevision-jo6oz yes really. Have you heard the rhetoric Starmer has been spreading? It's neo-liberal shit. That's not left wing.
@@comradecaspy Right wing communists?
@@Chadrick2 Labour are not communists, heck I wish they were. They’re neo liberal.
Reform have some good ideas but their anti-EU agenda is not in the country’s interest. It might be worth reflecting on why Poland can thrive in the EU while Brexiteers are convinced the U.K. is better off outside the block.
You are comparing apples with oranges, poorer nations benefit far more than wealthier nations because they benefit from eu financial grants and financial support, Bulgaria’s entire metro system was built on EU money. It also gives their citizens access to benefits from wealthier eu member states which is not mutually beneficial.
You can't duck up in opposition, only in gouvernment.
FARAGED CAN, HE HAS !!!SOME SUPPORT HIS SEXUAL ABUSING MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN JAIL JUST AS TOMMY ROBBING SON FOLLOWERS WERE EX PAEDEOPHILES ON PAROLE OR RELEASED FROM LOL
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that's why nigel is attacking so much, he knows he wont ever have to prove his plans work so its fair game for him. god forbid he ever gets in power he will most likely be fucked and people will then find out he is just an antagonist.
You clearly fucked up the spelling of that comment.
@@diningroomtableYTAutocorrect does that all the time
Wait, how are you claiming the Greens are more popular? Reform got more votes? The Greens are more popular within circles like ours but not in general
Greens is more popular amongst the youth on average
Thanks for pointing this out. This channel is claiming to be neutral but quite often slightly left leaning.
They are using the recent 'favorability' poll that looks at how 'happy' people are with the party post election. The popularity comment isn't about voter numbers at the last election, it is about post election sentiment
From context it sounds like they were using net favourability, where the greens would benefit from being relatively uninteresting compared to reform. Where people either approve or disapprove of reform, they just don't care about the greens.
I think they mean those parties have better "net favourable" ratings on Yougov etc, but it was inelegantly phrased for sure.
Opposition does not mean blindly opposing everything! A 5 person party is not the opposition.
Someone needs to make a "Stabbing UK" Nebula Originals too..
UK media is making it so
No they are not haha :D Nigel is hated by every single main news outlet the government that is in power hates him as well.
in other words u ureself have no personel judgement it,s all the medias fault yada yada, where did u hide or loose ure own moral code?? just asking
@@HopeGreen-m7iit’s the exact opposite, if he had no personal judgement he would believe all the media’s bullshit. You have to have that to be able to see through the media’s bullshit. If you think for more than 2 seconds you might agree
When was the last time you heard about the green party leader. You haven't or if you have it's not even close to the amount of times.
The media platform Farrage. He makes considerably more appearances on news outlets than anyone from similarly sized parties.
@@JasonAtlas I see him more than Labour and the Tories combined. Annoyingly so.
Which is odd because I never like his stuff and limit my engagement with his videos but I'll constantly see his or GBNews clips appearing on youtube along with right wing channels I've never heard of, or see frequent influxes of tweets from him.
I've seen a Labour thing once maybe twice. Most of the time I have to actively seek these out.
I swear in my head 2009 is still only like 5 years ago, and I thought wow that’s some young smokers
Could TLDR cover the allegations of Russia Today influencing US media? Maybe there's some cross-over here with this particular news story...
Preeeeeeecisely.
Russia is likely pushing a pro islam pro palestine messaging to destabilise the west.
since the 90's its been hard to see any real difference between tory and labour. The rise of SNP in Scotland showed this also regardless of if people supported indy ref or not its the change and something different that is needed. The US election has also showed this as well that 2 party politics is not good for a country.
Both labour and Tory simply would not listen to the wishes of the population. Instead they lectured the public, recited the racist mantra at every opportunity and blundered blindly on.
Wouldn't it be nice if the parties existed to serve instead of grabbing power?
The way things are going they're gonna wind up in office
Huh? Labour has 5 years ahead no matter what.
@daikucoffee5316 i didn't say right now did I? 🙄
@@daikucoffee5316 Id not be too sure of that. They are an unmitigated disaster so far and I do not believe they are capable of substantive change.
They have 5 seats 😂
@JonathanStockill honestly, that's 5 too many imo.
Are there examples? No. Because shouting loudly and complaining isn't policy. An opposition of now would have a response and a counterpoint to the proposed legislation.
This party of Mosley cosplayers are only in opposition to democratic consensus and decency.
"An opposition of now would have a response and a counterpoint to the proposed legislation." reform does lol
"is Reform UK becoming the opposition?"
Always has been. Tories and Labour are about the same.
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reform and tories are basically the same.
@@kanedNunable not at all
@@kanedNunable Nigel has been talking about making a British constitution, net zero immigration, pro free speech. Tories are nothing like, Tories at best are a centrist party
@@kanedNunableTories without the globalism.
Now if only we could get Labour without the globalism.....
I’m glad I plan on leaving the country before the next election
Polish people are alright but your foood is just soups and dumplings they taste bland sorry not sorry 😢
Don’t come to America
Wales?
I left 8 years ago. Best thing you can ever do.
@@davidostrowski679 yup, best thing I ever did was leave.
As a reform U.K. voter I want to explain while I (for the most part) support first past the post.
Yes, it benefits established parties and yes it is clearly less democratic, but it is fantastic for stability. I voted reform, because I genuinely felt like they made the best case to what I care about. However, if reform got into power immediately after the conservatives after not really establishing themselves for a very long time, then (while i think policy wise they were the best option) that would have been a very reactionary vote and destabilised the nation considerably. Look at the political turmoil in Europe from representative elections allowing reactionary left and right parties more of a say. Thats not to say it doesn’t have issues that need fixing, 4m voters represented by 5 MPs should never happen and a Labour Party with such a super majority with so few votes should also not happen, so there are things with FPTP that need fixing but we shouldn’t get rid of it. Come the next election cycle farage will be able to establish his party better and get some serious seats come 2029.
But for the most part I like the fact that FPTP forces Britain to only make slow shifts in politics and can help keep our political landscape stable, only with long established support will the nations direction change. The system needs reform but we need to be cautious about ending it completely
The main are doing everything they can to destabilise the country.
Yes it's great for stability, just look how all your towns and cities have been turned into Karachi, stability is great
@@Bigdave22779 countries in Europe with proportional representation have the exact same issue so you can’t blame FPTP for that
I'm curious to know, genuinely interested, how you feel Reform will benefit you in terms of housing/infrastructure or help with issues like homelessness? I don't know anyone who voted Reform so would be really interested to hear your perspective
@@helenchelmicka well the main 2 policies that reform raise that are attractive to me was the raising of non taxable income to £20k (I genuinely think this would work absolute wonders for the poorest in the country and genuinely get people off benefits). And the fact that reform U.K. were the only party who I believed actually cared about limiting immigration (the conservatives say one thing and do the other and labours rhetoric on the issue felt insincere and merely lip service to what they knew was a growing consensus among the population).
Now the benefits to housing and infrastructure I see coming from reform relate mainly to their immigration policy, the two main reasons being the immense scale of immigration clearly adding to the demand on the housing market, the scale of immigration coming in makes it virtually impossible to simply build more houses to fix the housing crises because we simply wouldn’t be able to build them fast enough (also because I personally really value our green space and would hate to see farm land and green belt space being built upon). Furthermore, the insane amount of money it is costing us to house and process “asylum seekers” is astounding, our infrastructure requires investment, now unless you want to massively raise your taxes, you need to find somewhere to save money. Just for a comparison, I remember seeing a significant minority of people complaining about the cost of Charles III coronation (£72m) during a cost of living crisis; now if we look at how much we are paying per day to hotels in order to house asylum seekers it’s £8m! Thats just one of the many expenses that these asylum seekers entail. Thats the same as whole coronation every 9 days. If we make great savings in areas like this I would expect the majority of the savings to be put into revitalising our infrastructure (particularly trains)
At 21seconds, it should be described as right-leaning and not right-wing :)
This is TDLR a very Left leaning channel, some may say Far Left….👍🏿✝️
Both statements are correct, so they're not wrong
@riazortho eh
Great video! Balanced and honest! Bloody rare now!
The fact starmer referred to rishi yesterday as prime minister 3 times blows me away....how is this so called prime minister still calling rishi HIS JOB ROLE is just absolutely beyond me !!!
5 times actually. This is what's known as 'Freudian slip' and reveals Starmer feels unworthy of his position. This insecurity will likely result in reckless decisions attempting to validate himself during his tenure.
@@latinus_ivHe already has made reckless decisions, just what I hoped when Labour won.
Reform can win in the areas that the Tories wouldn't be touched with a barge pole while the Tories can still get a lot of their heartland back because they still have a core that find Reform unpalatable. The natural thing the Tories have to do when they get a new leader, is to make some sort of deal with Reform because that is an awful lot of seats to have to claw back without Labour imploding.
At the currant rate I don't find Labour imploding that unreasonable lol, but yeah
Eventually we will have an AI algorithm running the country and the PM will just be saying exactly what the AI tells him / her to say.
Welcome your new PM, Sir Skynet Hamilton!
There'll be no need for a PM if AI rules. Voice synthesisation is old hat.
@@johnj4860 AI with a human to front it would be far more socially acceptable tho wouldn't it ?
@1SteveSmith
Dude what the hell are you talking about?
@@devinmes1868 What is it that you do not understand ?
If media keeps giving them the attention they need, they will be. And then you can make great videos on why our democracy is dieing. So thanks in advance!
5:38 “Farage providing opposition…” Exactly. It’s not so much Reform being an 5:38 opposition party, as Farage being an opposition leader. The Reform Party is just The Nigel Farage Show.
Given it’s him and 4 other blokes. Fair enough it’s his show.
Farage can't even provide an office in Clatcon, never mind provide opposition. The man has been to America more times since being elected than he has been in his own constituency
Farage modelled himself after Trump... Only Trump was even more skilful in that he somehow managed to hijack one of the US' longest serving established parties
The GOP is actually doomed.
A freak show @@purpledevilr7463
@@purpledevilr7463 they ask the DUMBEST questions in parliament, just look at the absolute garbage SIX BOB GOB asks. he's an embarrassment to this country
We often confuse the media obsession, relentless promotion and endless BBCQT appearances with grassroots popularity. They're never the same.
They seem to be the only ones willing to do anything about unwanted migration, and that's the number 1 issue for about half the UK population. Saved you a 10 min video.
The only "migration problem" is people hating immigrants for no reason whatsoever.
yep. But do they really want to rule ? their whole economics programme is a mix of keynesianism somehow promised along tax cuts, along with libertarian lalaland. True, after Brexit, nobody really is going to ever trust Farage again on economics. But it's easy to promise you're going to crush immigration numbers without saying how while staying out power, knowing that talking only about immigration may make you a strong opposition party, but not a government party.
They want to destroy the uk's position as a country that upholds international law by refusing to uphold our obligations under the 1951 refugee convention
The problem is him saying net zero migration includes LEGAL migration, which is real handy economically. I can understand both sides saying whether those on the boats are an economic good or bad in the long run but that’s only 10% of all migration.
@@sirgo0se97Plus he wont end illegal immigration. Just like the tories. Its too profitable
Ive never understood why polls exist in the UK. Why would anyone care what a poll says today when there isn't going to be a general election for five years?
I voted reform and I'm proud of it. I don't tell anyone tho
So then ur not proud of it cuz u cant tell anyone
To make a law that says that some adult citizens are allowed something and some adult citizens are not based solely on their year of birth is something for which the politicians should be defenestrated. You cannot imagine more arbitrary injustice and inequality.
He's a great communicator, he sounds authoritative and convincing, he offers simple solutions to complex problems, he's set himself up as an anti establishment alternative. God help us IMO.
Populism in a nutshell.
More like oversimplified and delusional.
"we would have a paradise life if the whole world just agree with us"
And they can "bash" literally any opposition because they "do not have the will to do the necessary steps"
Its a social paradox because when a plan fails one part of people admits defeat and realise the world doesn't revolves around them while another group of people think they just didn't used enough brute force to make things work...
And I wouldn't say he's a communicator.
Farage is an egoistic manipulator who instantly brushes off responsibilities.
Yet there is a very simply way Labour can get reform voters on side. Crack down on two tier policing and stop being in complete denial about the refugee crisis.
Before you jump the gun, I voted for Labour to get the tories out, and the only thing I’ve seen so far is the other side of the same coin.
@@emanuel1940 The opposite site literally allowed mass SA against women because they were scared of being racist.. yet some charismatic center right lad is the issue?
We have to just wait for him to get bored again.
He's already bored of being an MP
Not with 5 MPs they aren’t. They also secured a lower vote share than UKIP did in 2015.
UKIP got about 13% in 2015 and Reform got over 14%
@@yicken4857 higher percentage, but UKIP got more votes due to a higher turnout. But until they consolidate their voter base, they’re always going to be a fringe party like the greens.
U.k> Has a massive knife crime issue U.K.: let's focus on outside smoking um what??
And those gangs work for whom? Wake up.
The UK had a massive Knife Crime Issue when Rishi and Johnson were in charge, I didn't see you whinging about it then.
@@michaelcoward1902 They had it before Tories too it was ignored till then
Good video, does what it says on the tin and no bias. Thank you.
Labour have been a disaster after only a few months, no honeymoon period for Starmer. I dread to think where we will be in 5 years.
The tories might elect a leader who says the right things but their problem will be credibility after failing to deliver on their policies before. If the tories elect a wet then it’s over for them.
Farage looks more appealing by the day.
Politics is getting so polarizing, and the gap between the left and right is widening. This is truly saddening.
Reform UK has a limit to what support they can obtain. I would say that if LibDems and Greens can form a coalition, they could pose a far more credible challenge to Labour.
Lmao I don't think those parties have much in common. LibDems are the 'I'm left wing but I don't like labour' vote and Greens are some unholy combination of islamists, dim college students and net zero investors
By pledging what? An insane amount of borrowing.
NeT zErO garbage.
But they're basically the same on all the key issues so where exactly would the opposition be?
Greens are just melons, green on the outside red on the inside. LibDems are the same for all that actually matters. They're all the same for what matters.
I genuinely don’t understand why starmer is continuing that awful tory policy
Too early to say. If the Conservatives start pulling in the same direction or if they pull themselves apart! But Reform has a big part to play in this no matter what happens.
They’re knackered either way. They lose 20% of their support if they pivot right toward reform and lose 20% if they go back to 1 nation toryism. Neither would give them enough people to coalition with Reform. Their biggest hope is still the left fracturing more under FPTP
YEP HILIGHTING THE SEXUAL ABUSES AFTER ALL MORE MEMBERS OF REFORM??????? HAVE SPENT TIME IN JAIL FOR SEXUAL ABUSE AGAINST WOMEN, WOW, WHATEVER NEXT! THE MIND DOTH BOGGL, FARAGED NOW ABUSES! THE CHILDREN OF SAID WOMEN??? ALLEDEDGLY!! SO FAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
yep, totaly destryt the nhs after all, more immigrants work for uk nhs than any british do lol, wow next year u be begging and pleading to fartingaged, for an aspirin
The Tories become New Reform UK with their policies, Nigel steps aside, and they clean up the right wing vote. Assuming they're capable of pulling it off. Like they weren't with Brexit when UKIP stepped aside when they adopted it as their policy.
I believe that the same thing that happened to the Progressive Conservative party of Canada after the 1993 election will happen to the Conservatives in the near future.
Starmer hasn't exactly helped with this daft smoking ban.
The same smoking ban the Tories were trying to get through before losing the election.
Clearly he doesn't think enough pubs have gone bust yet and thinks he can wipe a few more out 🙄
I voted for the guy and even I can't make sense of it. I don't think he realises how many pubs in this country are on the brink. It might be popular amongst the general public but it won't reflect well on him when a wave of pubs close down because of this stupid bill.
I supported the general labour policies and ideas overall, but the fact that this has somehow ended up being a major thing, and has been one of the first policies the new government has implemented, idk, why is this even a thing there’s far bigger problems parliament should be focusing on
Seems like a good idea to me
Can’t be any worst then the Labour Party or tories and going vote reform next time
Reform UK is the only party representing the native population who only want a modicum or order, transparency and fairness.
There is nothing libertarian about Liz Truss' budget. I (not from UK) was very hopeful for her, but what she did with the massive spending increases is absolutely not libertarian.
People keeps saying the large increase in reform vote share is impressive...but it's just identical to the vote share of UKIP...
Labour 2019: 12 million votes
Labour 2024: 9 million votes
The loss of millions of voters and building government as a house on sand is also impressive
@@CB-dl1vg did you respond to the correct comment? It's seems to be completely irrelevant?
@@BlueW01f yes it’s correct. You’re implying that the reform vote share is unimpressive. I’m adding that the labour massive loss of votes is equally unimpressive (seeing as they won)
@@CB-dl1vg I'm saying the idea that reforms share of the votes is impressive 'because of how they're a new party' is rather flawed...because the share of the vote they achieved is entirely the same as that of UKIP, garage's previous party.
They've not increased votes, they've merely changed the name the voters tick.
What's this got to do with labour again?
@@CB-dl1vgvoter turnout. Labour achieved 1.6% more votes.
I love your videos but when the final advert is now making a third of the total length...
We need electoral reform, anyone with a sense of ethics would realise they had no mandate to form a government with the support of just 20% of the electorate. I sent this letter to my Labour MP, Ian Lavery :
Dear Mr.Lavery, 27 July 2024
2024 General Election result.
I would like to know whether you consider the result of the general election on 4 July a fair outcome for the people of this country?
Let us look at some of the figures :
1. The turnout - 59.1% or rather only 6 out of 10 of the electorate voted, one of the lowest turnouts since WW2 which should concern anyone who believes in democracy.
2.Labour got just 1.6% more votes than in 2019 but have 411 seats.
3.The Labour share of the vote was 33.7% but got 64% of the seats.
4. Cons on 6.8million (23.7%) and 121 seats (18%)
5. ReformUK got 4.1 million votes, (14%) yet only 5 MPs (1%) of the seats.
6..The LibDems got 3.8 million votes (13%) yet 72 MPs (13%) of the seats
In summary an accurate reflection of votes to seats is as follows with the figures in brackets showing what they actually got:
Labour 221 (411)
Cons 150 (121)
LibDems 84 (72)
ReformUK 91 (5)
In other words Labour got 190 more seats than they were entitled to while ReformUK got 86 less, this is the kind of result that would make even Vladimir Putin blush!
It took about 800000 votes to get a ReformUK MP and 30000 to get a Labour one. It also allowed 5 Hamas terror group supporters with a tiny vote share to get 5 MPs, the same number as ReformUK.
This has been the most unrepresentative election of the last 200 years, the Labour Party was supported by about 20% of the electorate which gives you no democratic mandate at all.
The Labour conference in 2017 supported a change from FPTP to a PR system, will you now ensure your government moves to introduce it so that the 8 out of 10 people who did not support you have a voice?
I look forward to your reply in the near future.
What system would you introduce?
My concern is if we made it law for people to have to vote and every vote counted equally. Just due to population size the city of London would have more voting power than Wales and Scotland. Which would sway politicians to focus on policies which would only favour urban areas with larger populations, increasing regional inequality.
I am not saying this is the system you are proposing. I am just using an extreme case as a way to explain a concern a little more clearly
@@lordnoodle2146That is why they have autonomy. The UK needs a system like Israel, proportional representation where every vote counts the same
@@lordnoodle2146 Personally I like STV as used in the last EU election, you can see the much higher turnout when people feel their vote is not wasted. I'm not in favour of forcing people to vote and I certainly would not support it unless there was a box on the paper marked "None of the above" My main concern is shaking the apathy of those who don't vote, no one can call our current system "democratic".
Yes and no. The problem is that Labour, Greens and Lib Dems did major tactical voting for each other and are pretty similar in policy. They got 52.3% of the votes cast. Conservatives and Reform got 38%. Therefore left/liberal definitely won. You can only go with the people that vote even if turnout was low. I don't like where Starmers government is going at the moment (but I am a soft Tory) over freedoms with the response I believe is heavy handed for the riots (fast sentencing, long sentences for relatively minor stuff and releasing convicted people from prison early in the process seems insane), the fiscal thing (raise NI at least to what it was and stick a point on basic and higher) and the smoking thing
@@nath9091 The key problem has been that for the last 40 years the Conservative Party has not been "conservative", they have allowed the education system to brainwash entire generations with "woke, net zero, anti free speech" beliefs. The key failure (or rather the deliberate policy) is immigration that will see the white British population a minority in our own country within 25 years according to the ONS. This is the first time in recorded history that an advanced civilisation has had leaders who have deliberately destroyed it!
So, if I understand properly, the UK is facing a number of existential challenges, and yet, the government is focused on ending underage smoking? I’m confused.
Reform for me
Reforrm UK have 5 seats the Tories have 121, opinion polls, vote share, etc are totally irrelevant. Like it or not, the Tories are still the main opposition and will be until there is another election -which won't be for at least 4 years. I suspect at the next election with 4-5 years of labour who will almost certainly increase taxes, many people who switched to Reform will go back to the Tories, because who remembers 5 years ago - Reform will go down to probably 1 or 2 seats. Farage will be 70 and will step down as leader and Reform will collapse.
Obviously this guy loves Reform, but is election is likely to be their high point.
No
It's one thing trying to wean people off starting smoking to outlawing it to those that are already hooked.
This country is so finished
Nope, I still have to paint the garden fences. Then you can say finished.
Why?
This channel poses as centrist but it often leaves out key facts that make the picture appear more left wing.
"This channel doesn't praise my political party well enough, therefore they're communists" 🙄
You mean it doesn't pander to your ideology and that makes you sulk?
@@michaelcoward1902 No I mean it poses as centrist but is slightly left biased.
Without being the official opposition, it’s difficult to expect too much from reform.
I wouldn’t be surprised if farage and GBNews get caught up in the Russian money scandal involving many right wing political TH-camrs.
Yeah that would be terrible, it's not like the Tories or Labour are paid off by China or Israel or a number of other foreign agents also.
Funny how Farage got into trouble with his super Dulux rich persons only bank account so soon after the Sanctions were placed on Russia and they couldn't pump roubles into the country anymore isn't it?
Y afraid of right wing?? I feel Leftist n Wokes are absolute racist , extremist and causing chaos everywhere…These Left always giving voice for freedom of expression but never gave a chance to listen the voices of right wing…Leftist only good for ruining and mess around …
If DEFORM retain their 5 seats, I'll be shocked next election.
Just under 4 million votes as UKIP, just over 4 million votes as Reform. It doesn't feel like the biggest growth.
Exactly, it didn't look like growth at all
Percentage wise it's growth, because less people are voting in general
A LOT less people voted this time. Yet they maintained and even exceeded their previous total votes. Doesn't take a genius to see that as massive growth.
@@FatMonkeyUK It should also be pointed out their is massive political apathy, so that that problem might actually be sorted by the other parties getting their act together
Brexit has been blamed for everything in recent years. UKIP would poll very badly, but as Reform they've grown. Interesting times.
Labour seems to be indistinguishable from the tories in what they are actually doing.
Yeah you guys were saying that before the election...you were saying that when Corbyn was in charge too, because a broken record never stops skipping.
I disagree with the framing that only those on the opposite end of the political spectrum can provide the best opposition.
Being a good opposition is about holding the government to account on delivering for the public not just disagreeing on everything.
This is why I don't like your example with the smoking ban. The fact that the tories and labour want to reduce smoking and reform don't doesn't make them a better opposition if reducing smoking is good for the public.
Delivering for the public should mean delivering what the public want, not what they should want
@@AngusMcIntyrethe public arent educated enough to make informed decisions
@@AngusMcIntyre But the public want more restrictions on smoking!! Don't you realise that Labour and the Tories are pursuing a populist policy by wishing to have further restrictions on smoking?
@@chindit6784 What you mean to say is that smokers aren't able to make informed decisions on smoking because they are addicted to smoking!
@@chindit6784you are disgusting
Sigma sigma spider climbed up the skibidi spout
-Nigel Farage
Can anyone be blamed for looking at the current state of the UK and wanting better? The crime, violence, migrants given preferential treatment in jobs, housing - even in the law.
Legally no, existing citizens receive priority despite how much disinformation is going around to the contrary. In regards to the law I’m assuming you’re referring to the two tier policing conspiracy, which to be honest is only really propped up by people on twitter and the Daily Mail/GB News (not particularly reputable news sources).
I mean. You chose to believe what your preferred party tells you the problem is. Immigration is a crisis everywhere in Europe. The reality is far away from what you are claiming to be, there are no country that gives preference to immigrants. Your party just takes one problem and turn it into racisim
Wanting better? So they wouldn’t vote reform
@@sirgo0se97 that's simply not true. Whether it be jobs, housing or education- migrants are put before British - and even in law, white people are more likely to be investigated and then given a harsher sentence if found guilty.
@@sirgo0se97 You could argue on your first point, you'd be wrong, as it's a de jure vs de facto discussion. On two tier policing, it beyond argument, there's two tier policing.
This is such an interesting convo! 🧐 Reform UK's rise could shake things up big time, especially if they're seen as the new main opposition. I wonder if they'll actually change how politics in the UK works or just be more of the same. 🤔🗳️
I reject your assertion that the opposition to Labour must come from the right.
Starmer pulled his party far to the right, so there is equally a large number of left wingers opposed to several of his ideas that need representing.
You can easily pick another issue Starmer has a stance of that appeases right wings and not left.
It highlights how unfit our Democracy is that it doesn’t facilitate oppositions on both sides.
If you think Starmer is on the far right, you might be on the far left.
@@orestesmitas you must be on the right, since your reading comprehension is clearly awful.
Moving a party further right doesnt make it right wing.
Its a centerist party, thats my point.
It used to be left, but he moved it right, so now its firmly center, leaving lefties and righties equally in opposition.
@allergy5634
He also took her portrait down in No.10.
It’s possible to praise and admonish different parts and actions of the same person if you’re not a bleeding tribalist.
@@orestesmitas He's firmly centre right, taking up the Tories position from 2010 after the purge of the leftwing of the Labour party.
And heavily, heavily swinging in on the Authoritarian front. Gotta bang that police drum.
@@orestesmitas He said Starmer pulled Labour far to the right (of Corbyn,) not "to the far right." He's not calling Starmer far right, just a centrist.
I'm not quite sure why you used the smoking ban as an example. This is very clearly a unique circumstance where the tories and labour have similar policies.
Just because reform disagree with labour on more things dose not automatically make them a better opposition. Its not just about disagreeing on every thing.
People then: "Brexit shouldn't happen, 52% of the vote isn't big enough to make a major change to this country. Also, if you add all of those who didn't vote to the 'no' vote, you actually get just 37% supporting Leave, which isn't good enough"
People now: "of course Labour have a mandate to make big changes to this country on 34% of the popular vote, as they got the most SEATS, and that's all that matters! And you can't argue that they only got 20% if you also include those who didn't vote, as they don't count. They should have voted, that's their fault! 😂"
And people wonder why more and more people are turning off from politics? 🤷🏻♂️
Thing is that, wherever you're coming from, counted as their own bloc, the non-voters in ANY election have a fair chance of coming in 2nd place. In local council elections, more often than not that's 1st place. It's also an inconvenient truth that neither side in ANY binary debate can claim to enjoy the support of non-participants ... whatever they may claim.
Then you have situations such as referendums, where a single issue (be it Scottish independence, brexit, voting systems, or doggy-do on the village green) can and regularly do engage some from those normally uninvolved demographics (because you can't assume all non-votes share the same rationale for being a no-show at the ballot box).
Trust NO-ONE who claims there's a simple answer. It's by no means certain there's a complex one.
You are forgetting that if you add all the progressive Green, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and Independent candidate votes, it still adds up to 56%. So, yes although Labour shouldn't have a majority in a fairer system, people still voted for progressive parties overall.
Strawman argument
People who argue 52% wasn’t a clear mandate also recognise Labour won on a very small vote share
@@lukeneilson9799 Well I'm not sure about including independent candidates, as it might take some time to look into who is left leaning and who right.
But for the larger, mainstream parties: sure, you could argue they are all "left leaning" (though I'm sure the Lib Dems used to be more centrist?), but they don't agree on every policy, as we've seen over the recent Winter Fuel Allowance issue.
So compared to Brexit and the one question, can the voters of those parties really all be lumped together? Especially as then it begs the question: if they all agree with each other, why didn't they all just vote Labour? 🤷🏻♂️
@@RobinHarris-nf4yv Yes, but many of those people are still happy for Labour to do whatever they need to, despite their low vote-share.
That's my point. Either 52% isn't good enough, and so neither is 34%, or both are. I never said people don't acknowledge both figures occurred
0:25 Is that really a guy holding up a speaker on his head? 😂
I just noticed that as well 😂😂
well duh they are people say U.S. ha s a uniparty and while true U.K. has an even closer one. I see, literally, no difference between Labour and Tories ( they aren't Conservative in the slightest)
And Labour aren't really socialist either, just authoritarian. Banning smoking and jailing hooligans aren't really policies designed to help the working class lol. They're all in it to help London and London Finance.
I know this is a serious debate. And it's an important topic to raise. But why is there a man with a speaker on his head at 0:24?
Yes. Reward the lair.
Which one in which party?
@@Ryan-me9ge Good point. One of his strong points was that when the Brexit is done there would be more money for NHS and after Brexit, when there wasn't more funds available he denied that was a part of his campaign. He is no better then the rest of them the only difference is that nothing that was good for him or his party was good for anyone else.
I could use a lair, rewarding me one sounds amazing and cozy. Guess I'm voting Reform.
It's too fast to predict of the Reform Party popularity if the Conservative Party change their leadership and find best way to serve the people, Conservative will be strong agin.
I think a left leaning anti immigration party would take away most of the power of Reform
Think that one through. Since when has a left leaning party in the UK ever been hard on immigration
Illegal immigration is not immigration, its a crime, it's like saying stealing from a shop is just shopping.
oh yes. If the left finally came to his senses about immigration, and physical and cultural insecurity, instead of dreaming of borderless lalaland and replacing the defense of workers with the spoiled depressive kids BS & pseudoscience imported from american campuses, the far right would drop under 10 %. Thisis what happened everywhere where the left actually did this: Norway, Finnland, Denmark.
They already exist. Their called the SDP
How about a party (or limited company ... who's fussy?) for socialist leaning folk proud of their flag? Just to make it clear it's nothing nasty, put an appropriate word in, add something implying choice and you get National Socialist Democratic Alternative Party, the NSDA..... Oh .... hold on a sec ....
maybe stop calling everyone far right would help.
Same time as stop self promoting their White British Christian heritage too much
1:57 WhT do you mean their second choice. Either hearing this wrong or looking at it wrong because it seems LD 1st Green 2nd Reform 3rd
Try re-listening to what they said.
What's on screen is how first-choice Labour voters would vote if they couldn't/wouldn't/didn't vote for Labour.
Lib Dem is therefore the most popular second choice.
The graph describes the percentage of people who have various different parties as their second choice. The claim is not that Reform is the 2nd most popular 2nd choice.
You are hearing it wrong. First choice is Labour.
I think theyre growing just because of the political reswntmwnt that ia growing. Farage although he has been in politics a long time ia marketting himself as an alternative poloticin different from the rest.
Its a strategy that works
The Reform party didn't rise from nowhere. its a rebranding of the Brexit party, which in turn was a rebranding of UKIP (though some stayed behind under the UKIP banner).
Should 14% have got them more seats in parliament? Yes, But I didn't hear Lee Anderson support Electoral Reform when he was a Conservative. I accept Farage has done, for a while.
Its true Reform has more influence than 5 MPs but that's partly because so much of the media sings their tune. They basically have their own TV Channel in GB news. now it seems TLDR is prepared to post a video saying they are the real opposition, despite a graphic showing the Lib Dem have a stronger claim
lib dem is the party of southern villages and virtue signalling lefties who have too much money to vote labour, while reform are the only party supporting a policy which is probably the number 1 to half of brits
So, why aren't the Lib Dems flexing their 12% opposition muscles based on their much stronger seat numbers than 14% Reform UK, while the larger Conservative opposition are fully preoccupied with getting their stuff together?
If the UK were a democracy, politicians would enact the majority of people's will. The "representation system" has failed and needs to be replaced.
You can't walk outside and smoke a cigarette? I'm sorry but ya'll in the UK are lost
don,t fret we in uk fought for our rights decades ago, free nhs ect that most in europe abused ect ect, however as starmer is funded by tobacco companies lets wait and see
@@Cader-ce6bvagree it's or no one will do a thing about it and it will only hurt the gdp even more now, or they will use the cops and the uk would get a new black market.
You can, the bill would ban smoking in outdoor areas of pubs and restaurants
So easy to control the behavior, up to and including speech and thought, of law abiding citizens. No risk involved.
When it comes to real threats, denial, denial, denial, is the easiest path.
Yep, I prefer free top quality healthcare and a solid social system. The tories tried to take that away for 16 years, now it will get supported again. Outdoor smoking? I suggest perhaps we just say that smokers don't get the free healthcare instead? Gratuitous self harm seems like something that shouldn't be paid for by the rest of us. When smokers pay for their own problems, then they can smoke where they like, to be honest.