Eric with his Original 1886 Winchester in .45-70 (manufactured 1894)
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- I loaded these cartridges for my original Winchester a little hot with 65 grains of FF Goex black powder. The flat-nosed bullet is .457 inches diameter, 405 grains, 20 parts lead, and one part tin. The sun made quite a glare on the iPhone camera that day!
Check out my Chapter 2 video of this awesome piece: • Eric with his Original...
Also, I would like to extend an extra thank you to my friend Joe, whose iPhone camera work has made all of these videos possible. - บันเทิง
My wife just bought me a Henry Yellowboy in 45-70, God bless her.
Yeah, that's nice! You're lucky to have such a supportive wife. I only own an 1860 Henry in .44-.40 (reproduction by Uberti). I hope to film a chapter 2 video with it later in the year.
Michael Sorrell buy that lady something nicer.
No sir, you did not flinch. You controlled that flinch. Big difference. That is some excellent free hand rifle shooting, right there!
Thanks! Some days are better than others when it comes to off-hand shooting. My chapter-two video with this piece is quite an improvement. You may want to check it out.
It is rare to see a finer display of marksmanship. Much respect.
Oh my! Thanks! You may prefer my chapter 2 video with this piece.
A clear eye and steady hand! And with an antique firearm!
If only I could hold it even more steadily!
I remember seeing the Winchester 1886 Deluxe being offered at Shot Show. It seemed like it took about 18 months to arrive at the shop I work for. I had almost forgotten about them being offered. It was totally worth the wait. The wood and case coloring look amazing. I have not shot it yet, but watching this video sure make me want to. You rifles action sounds amazing!!! Great video!!!
Dale Beam Thanks! I hope to film another with the sun higher next time. Yeah, I think I am going to use this in my next silhouette match. That will be tough at 50, 70, 80, and 100 yards since all the animals are grossly undersized. The chickens at 50 yards are only the size of soft balls.
Thank you for the video Eric. I love the 45.70 cartridge. The black powder just makes it more fun.
You're very welcome! Yeah, although I do own a few modern pieces, my heart is in black powder 19th century rifles.
I am surprised at the attention this so-so video has gotten. I may have to do a chapter 2 with this great piece!
Good idea, And tell us bout your rifle. Close up view of it would be good and talk us through reloading at bench.Great shooting by the way. Ps, I have the same rifle
I have made a chapter two (just posted; see here: th-cam.com/video/T5-tSN7EVqY/w-d-xo.html), but I don't show loading at the bench. I've always tended to shy away from any sort of instructional talking or making gun reviews. Perhaps I should reconsider.
@@littlehouseguy7782 Well, with TH-cam greatly disliking reloading videos these days, I personally would not make actual video footage of the reloading process itself. But if you one day would decide to share your experiences with BP cartridges by talking about them and showing maybe a still picture or two, I would find that very interesting. I enjoyed your videos quite a lot, beautiful rifle and great shooting! :-)
@@hmpeter Yeah, if my channel grows beyond what it currently is, then I will consider other types of videos. At this point, I like to just focus on the shooting of the piece and showing how it performs at different yardages.
Little House Guy
Beautiful American made rifle, with great shooting! Love it. I want a 86 in a takedown and I plan on shooting the rest of my animals with it. Deer, moose, Elk, Black Bear, and Grizzly. (Now and then I’ll still use my CRF 330 Dakota for Elk in Colorado)
Back in the 70's I had a Thai Mauser, Made in Japan. I sent it to a Gunsmith and had a barrel change and a few little changes, removed the dust cover. I loaded it with .458 flat nose in 305 grains that shot the 45-70 real well. 2" group at 100 yards. I tried FFG to the brim and compressed the load. big flame, lots of smoke . fun until cleaning time., otherwise I stuck to IMR. Over the years, my buddy got it for a song, he was very happy, unfortunately he passed on with a massive heart attack after 2 months.I did not want to be an indian giver and wished to get it back but he already gave it to his son, well and good.
I hear you. Sorry about your friend. Yeah, although I 'own' this right now, I feel I have a duty to take care of it the best I can so that I can pass this amazing piece of Americana on to the next person who must also take excellent care of it. Check out my chapter 2 video with this piece, for I think it is a much better video.
Sir, your firearms collection is a wondrous and entrancing sight. Mighty fine shooting. Thank you for sharing, and God bless.
Well thank you very much!
You are very lucky to have that Rifle.
TheStewieOne Thanks. I do feel lucky to own it and feel a great responsibility to take care of it and maintain it in good condition for future generations after I am gone.
Greatshooting! love those old 86s and 92s!
Thank you very much. Check out my Chapter 2 video. I think I shoot better in it.
Thanks to your videos, I have watched him shoot a variety of old rifles. This guy has a great eye and solid stance. They are fun and amazing to watch. Thank you!
Oh my! I am flattered. Thank you. The others in my shooting group do much better than I. Stay tuned because I will be debuting another piece from my collection on the last Sunday in August. I am already practicing for it!
A fine piece and you are very good with it. Great range too. Excellent accuracy firing over black powder fouling.
Thank you. I didn't show it in the video, but I used a blow tube between each shot to keep the fouling soft. I demonstrate the use of the blow tube in my chapter two video with this piece.
Man this beats golfing any day!! Excellent work!
I guess it does, but I can certainly see similarities between golfing and this! I love hanging out with my buddies as we do trail walks and matches. It doesn't get much better than that! Check out my later videos. They are really much better than this.
Great shots
Thank you! You may want to check out my chapter 2 video with this rifle. The shots are much clearer.
Oh Such a stylish and good shot! Highly impressed. You are the gifted.
Thank you! The video certainly gives that impression; however, I rarely win a match. The other members in my group could shoot circles around me.
@@littlehouseguy7782
I suppose the basic situation （respect for elders) is similar. When I take part in bore hunting I have to realize the difference with elder legends (retired police man or soldiers).
Meantime Win 45-70 is my favorite gun and its a miracle to see such a accurate shot with beautiful gun. Thanks, (from local town in Japan)
Man that is some kind of awesome. Great shooting skills you have there, for sure.
Thanks. You give me too much credit. We all have good and bad days at the range.
He is the one of the most handsome teachers in our university also with the excellent fire arm skill!
You give me too much credit!
little house guy Realy?? Lol Nice shooting! Awesome 86!
Thanks, Greg. Um, that student is being too nice, really too nice, for I'm just an average Joe. On the other hand, what does that say about all of the other teachers?!?!
little house guy talk about kissing ass for a few measly grades.... :p
little house guy just trolling...
So glad I found your channel, all the guns of the ear that blow my skirt up. I love the range but too far from home here in SE Idaho.
Thanks for your work.
Frank
You are very welcome. I would imagine that Idaho has many more ranges than California. Am I wrong about that?
@@littlehouseguy7782 there are ranges all over, plenty of places to shoot in any direction without fear of hitting anything but sage brush, unfortunately health limits plenty as well.
Keep it up.
I cant wait to find some ammo for my gun. just inherited one similar (1876 .45-60). running the serial number looks like it was manufactured in 1881. was my great grandfathers and then my grandfathers. glad i found this video these guns looks amazing to shoot! i cant wait!
Good luck! Let me know how it works out.
@@littlehouseguy7782 well i know i wont be a deadeye like you but thank you! I'll let you know how it runs! for the sight adjustment did you just have to test it out for distances or how do you know when you need to adjust it.
@@AwesomeCopper I have shot it on paper a lot, so I have learned, like with all of the other rifles on my channel, to adjust the sight picture and/or the sight for accurate shooting at various distances. I cast all of my own projectiles and load all of my own cases, so it helps.
Very nice shooting with a very nice rifle
Thank you! Check out my chapter 2 video with this piece! You may find it to be better.
I'd be grinnin from ear to ear with every DING! Nice shootin! I'm picking up a younger Browning from a buddy this summer (we're both in Ukraine with our wives atm). Can't wait to play with Mr Browning's first lever gun design.
All right! Yeah, it's probably the "best" piece I own (at the moment). I am also on the look out for a real 1885 high wall and an 1887 lever shotgun.
That buddy of mine has a High Wall, I think its original. He says it won't be cheap.
Do you shoot CAS? Your costume is sweet.
Hardcase Hardin - Cowboy Action Shooting I don't do cowboy action shooting but have gone to watch it in person and have enjoyed it. I have thought about it, but I don't want to abuse my original pieces. I also make my own ammunition, so I tend to want to conserve it. With that being said, I am interested in getting better with my model 1873 Colt .45 six shooter replica, and doing some cowboy stuff with it sounds fun. I have only shot one round from the hip in my life, and of course I missed!
I think everyone runs replicas and for special events might run originals. I can't wait to get back home (I'm in Ukraine for the winter with my lovely bride) to get to my first matches.
You reload so already ahead of the game and a smoke junky too, you'd fit right in. And costuming will not be an issue for you.
I'm starting out with some Pietta 51 Navies and the Yellowboy. Will find a SxS 12 ga when I get back. Thank God for the internet so I can do a little shopping for gear and get my CAS match fixes in.
I have to take my time aiming and pray like crazy I don't miss too bad. lol
Oh, and occasionally the bigger annual matches (State, Regionals and up) will have side matches like Plainsmen where you could drag out the Trap Door or one of your other single shooters and not beat em up.
Attending a rendezvous may be my next thing. I'd love to do the Quigley Buffalo Rifle Match one day, but I'm not good enough yet. Yeah, I pretty much find any reason possible to strut around in my 1800s western wear. I had a blast in Virginia City, NV last November wearing it all.
Nice! fun to watch :)
Thanks! I've always loved out trail walk match. I always do it with a different rifle, so just as I start learning how the piece behaves, I put it away and start all over again learning a new piece.
Nice shooter and nice shooting.
Thanks. I do think my chapter two video with this piece is a great improvement. You may want to check it out.
This guy makes easy work of a tough task
Thanks. I do the best that I can. There are some days when I can really connect with off-hand shooting. Other days, I wobble, jerk the trigger, or just can't stand right.
I own a saddle ring myself. You can’t miss with it. Amazing rifle😎👊
Thanks. My later video with this piece is certainly an improvement. You may want to check ot out.
Fine shooting Eric! I've been looking into a 45-70 lever action for my next purchase. To have an original Winchester in that round is special!
It certainly is! I enjoy this piece very much. Check out my Chapter 2 video with it. The shots are clearer.
I really enjoyed this video that’s some good shooting
Winchester & Browning Lever Guns Thanks. I hope to do a chapter two with this piece. Better lighting would help. The sun was low that day. Our Silhouette match would be a good one, but I have to become a better off hand shooter if it is to be an impressive video. The serious dudes practice with snap caps. I wobble all over the place off hand.
Very good thanks to answer
That thing is smooth as butter
It is! I take care of it the best that I can but also make sure my homemade cartridges fit just right before a trail-walk match. Check out my chapter 2 video of this piece!
I’m drooling over that rifle
It IS a nice piece, I must say. Thanks.
Superb marksmanship and era appropriate attire, looks great. Really enjoy your videos and your Winchester is just outstanding. I want one! watched several of your videos. Thanks for sharing. I have the Henry Big boy 45-70 and the white tail don't like it. Excellent old school hunting cartridge. Keep posting.
Thanks for your support. I hope to film a chapter two with this piece. I should practice with it harder for a silhouette match or something. By the way, I'm sure that a .45-70 in a modern gun with smokeless powder would pack quite a punch. I have never experienced that. Is that why you don't enjoy those two pieces you own?
Sir, you don't understand. I love my Henry 45-70 however the white tail deer I hunt don't like my Henry 45-70 rifle :-) You'r correct the Lever revolution 320Gn packs a punch.
Boy, you are right! I must have responded after a glass of wine or something. It's true that I have no hunting experience, so that one just flew right over my head!
There's nothing like classic old IRON..
Right. Nothing.
good gun and best operator
Thank you very much. I have both good and bad days at the range.
Very nice rifle, made back in a time when America was still America & people took pride in there work. Definitely a keeper
That it is! A true piece of Americana.
That action sounds great , just handling that rifle must be a pleasure
It does, and it is! Check out my chapter 2 video with the piece. You may find it to be an improvement.
That’s my favorite rifle, you’re certainly ring in those targets with it
Thanks. I do think my second video with this piece marked chapter two is an improvement over this one.
I love vinchester,very very beautifull😍😍😍
It is....and it feels great holding it!
As r bom
Damn good shot.
Thank you. Some days are better than others.
Eric you are true Expert Marksman!
Oh my! I have good days and bad days. Off-hand shooting is a skill that I greatly admire.
Good shooting but that is some absolutely gorgeous scenery in the background. Looks like an amazing shooting day nonetheless ☺👍
It is, and it was! This video was filmed in march of 2017 after a wet winter. If you watch my chapter two with this piece, you'll see everything brown. Yeah, we don't know how much longer we can remain in this awesome canyon since our membership is declining (due to age) and the property has been sold to California Tactical Academy, a school and range primarily for modern guns.
What a marksman !
Thanks. You may like my chapter 2 video with this piece better.
open sights and all well dun mate 👍
Thanks. You may like my chapter two video with this better.
The gun is very good but a good gun with an extraordinary Shooter is great.
Well Done very impressiv
Yours Frank
Thanks. It was a great day. Check out my later videos; I do think they have improved since this one.
Pretty cool
Thanks. I think you should look for my chapter 2 video with this piece of my channel. I believe you'll find it to be a much better video.
Good shooting with iron sights.
Thank you very much! It was a good day for me. Sometimes, the angle of the sun just makes everything blurry, and I need to use as much black marker as possible.
That is some shooting!
Thank you very much! Check out my chapter two video with this piece.
That's so damn nice
Thanks. Yeah, it doesn't get much better than that!
Very cool. I have the same rifle, also manufactured in 1894, that I inherited from my great grandfather. I'll have to take it in to a gunsmith to see if it's still usable - the barrel looks a bit shot out to my untrained eye, it needs a new rear site and the magazine plug is missing. It would be great if it's usable, although I'd have to pick up some black powder for my reloading bench.
Cool. I hope it works out for you.
Hi Eric!! Salutations from the sub - Tony!!!
Hey back. You're too kind!
Now that's some good shootin!
Thank you very much. I've since improved with this piece. Check out my chapter 2 video that I filmed last summer.
I never get tired of watching this one! Love that 1886, love that cartridge 👍
Mine is not in the league of that 1886, but my Marlin 1895CB saw some extended range time last weekend. Still grinning ear to ear 😁Wallet is a little lighter though 😆
I hope you had a good time with it. If you like this video, you will most likely enjoy my chapter two video with this piece. The link is above.
Great shooting. Keep up the great videos. Where is this range located? Thanks in advance Rick
Rick, this is a private range located in Piru, CA. It has just changed ownership. The previous name was Wes Thompson's Piru Rifle Range. I am a member of a black powder group called Burbank Muzzle Loaders. We lease a black powder only range on the property. All guests are welcome!
Ha! And to think, folks in my black powder shooting group shoot circles around me!
Great!
Thanks! You may find my chapter two video with this piece to be a significant improvement when compared to this video.
Where is this range? Beautiful. Nice shooting. 👏🙌🔥❤️
...funny guy ,with the fancy dressing and all...nice...
Thanks. You may find my chapter 2 video with this piece more entertaining.
"Beware the man who owns one rifle, he probably knows how to use it"
Thanks. I have improved with the rifle a great deal since then.
You are a good shot. Your action sounds smooth and solid. I have an 86 made in 88 in 38-56 from my grandpa. What have you done or do you do to your stock?
Do you ever shoot smokeless powder? I haven’t tried black powder in my rifle, I feel ignorant on how to clean it properly. I clean my muzzle loaders fine but that seems less technical to me.
Thanks. I think my chapter 2 video with this piece is a much better video. You may want to check it out. I have not done anything to the stock or anything else cosmetically to the rifle and don't plan to. I like the .38-55 cartridge and used to have a Marlin (1893?) lever gun chambered in it. However, I sold it as a wall hanger because the bore was like a sewer pipe, and I couldn't get it to shoot accurately.
My 1886 was built in 1891. .45-90. :-)
Cool. I've never shot a .45-90 in anything. I've seen a few at shows, but they weren't in the best condition.
My 1886 45-90 was built in 2019!!
How do you clean the 1886 after shooting BP? Full disassembly or do you have shortcuts you can share?
Thanks
I have never done a full disassembly on the rifle. It tends not to get too dirty. Maybe this is the case because I tend to shoot it as a single shot and normally blow down the barrel between each shot. Also, I frequently swab out the bore during a bench practice session, so I just don't think I let all the fouling accumulate enough. Lastly, I load my own ammo and try to keep the brass cases for this rifle separate. That way, they have bumped up to the chamber specs and make a good gas seal. Perhaps all these things together help keep it not as dirty during a practice session.
Nice shooting Tex
Thanks! I hope to film a chapter two with this piece later this year. Perhaps I can get some better hits. The trigger pull is tad hard on the piece, making it a bit more difficult in longer range off-hand shooting, but NO EXCUSES!
little house guy could get it slicked up. Many good smith's that specialize in such styles. That's if you didn't already know.
little house guy keep videos coming.
Yeah. I've had trigger work done on two rifles: my 1871 .50-70 rolling block and an 1867 Spencer rifle, the latter I have yet to debut! I guess I just haven't put this on my priority list yet, for the pull is only a tad harder than typical rifles.
Thanks for your interest. I will for sure. The next trail walk match is the last Sunday of this July. I'm still undecided as to which piece I will attempt it with. Stay tuned for a video either way, however.
A lovely rifle and fine marksmanship. Can you please tell me what muzzle velocity is achieved with your rifle and also what the effective maximum killing range would be? Thanks
Sorry, but I actually don't know! I have never shot it through a chronograph. All I could do is look up the ballistics on google for black powder .45-70 cartridge, 405 grains. I will ask the president of our group next week. The sights on this gun won't let me accurately shoot past 200 yards. If I shoot this cartridge in my Springfield Trapdoors, I can easily hit 500 yard gongs. I will also ask about the killing power. I have heard that these heavy slugs cause a lot of punching damage in the body with a very big damaging shockwave as opposed to faster small caliber bullets.
@@littlehouseguy7782 thank you for your reply and I look forward to receiving any further information that you are able to provide.
@@flashcracker1 You're welcome. I'll see what I can find out.
LUCKY!! my original 1886 is chambered in .33 WCF.... and I don't have reloading equipment. It seems all the original factory chamberings for this rifle where derivatives of the .45-70 case.
PROUD INFIDEL I don't know much about .33 WCF, but I do see that brass and reloading dies are available. I see that Midway is sold out for one. It is all expensive, but this is an expensive hobby. I hope you can get your 1886 singing again!
I have 2 boxes of original ammo that came with it. My dad found it in the basement of a job he was doing. One box is opened I may consider shooting those but still they are worth maybe $8-15 a shot as collectors items.
I don't know much about the value of original ammo. Anyway, I'm sure you will save the brass if you shoot a few. By the way, most of the guys in my black powder club just reload one brass cartridge all day and shoot singly, so sacrificing one round in order to just reload that may be acceptable. I do see guys online who will make the brass from .45-70 for clients. That may be the way to go. I do see that it is an early smokeless cartridge that became obsolete in the '30s. Good luck, and keep me posted!
since .33wcf is a .45-70 necked down to .338, case forming is the absolute best solution but since I don't have the space to reload or the supplies I will have to just keep dreaming. For now I will have to buy some very expensive "factory" ammo from the 1 or 2 people that sell it. If/when I shoot it I will record it and notify you.
Awesome!
Cool range to shoot on !
It would have been nice to hear narrated the sight adjustments.
It is quite the place to shoot! My chapter 2 video with this piece does have some minor comments about distances. I've tended not to talk much in videos; I detest the nasal timbre of my voice. Nevertheless, I do talk more in my later videos.
Little House Guy
Yes, the video is quite beautiful as it is because it does convey the shooters focus.
What a great place ! At my range there’d be some guy next to me with a Glock hittin’ me in the head with his brass !
@@charleyfolkes It's pretty laid back at our range because it is black powder only; the rate of shooting is much slower. At least we know how to make every shot count. The main range on the property, however, has a lot of high powered rifles. I've got to wear earplugs and then ear muffs to take that all day. There are also several different types of matches on the property.. In all honesty, I've thought about trying to do some of them with their "tactical" obstacle courses with my 1911 in 45 ACP. On the other hand, I can be pretty mean with a cap and ball revolver.
Please do check out the later rifle videos on my channel if you enjoy "the shooter's point of view." The later videos are recorded better with a better iPhone.
Little House Guy
I will watch your other videos. Yeah, black powder is fun and I do have some early Colts from the 1849 Pocket up to a real 1873 SAA which is a black powder frame.
I have a Trapdoor but I don’t like cleaning that gun after black powder.
It’s a different mindset and the tactical guys just are too hard to shoot next to !
Awesome! How far are you shooting? It doesn't take long for the bullet to get there.
Most of the shots are around 120 yards. Check out my chapter two video with this piece. You may find it to be a better video.
Nice shooting! Great video...I have the same rifle, dated 1892 inherited from my grandfather. Is this strictly a black powder rifle?
Thanks! If only the sun had not been so low causing that glare! I am not the best person to tell you if it is strictly black powder or not. I am sure that there are people on both sides of that issue. I'll actually ask more senior members of my group and get back to you. I believe most would agree that the action and barrel would be strong enough for typical (non-magnum) smokeless .45-70 loads. However, some may say that the rifling wouldn't do all that great (accuracy) with hard cast lead, or that other metals (such as steel projectiles) may damage the rifling inside. Who knows? As for me, I only plan to shoot this rifle with black powder and lead slugs that I cast with 20 parts lead and 1 part tin.
Obviously, generally it is best to shoot the gun with the bullets that it was designed for. However, some members in my group think that shooting smokeless .45-70s in a Winchester 1886 would most likely be OK if they were "standard velocity." Avoid any smokeless rounds that say high velocity, Marlin, or Ruger on them. That's the best I can relay to you. As for me, I will only shoot black powder rounds in mine. There are, however, modern powders that are designed to burn at "black powder" pressures, but I understand that most people are not reloaders.
Reason for him shooting as a single shot ? And what loads are those ?
I mostly shoot only single-shot rifles, so that is just how I normally do it. Also, I do use a blow tube between shots to keep the fouling soft. Thirdly, in trail-walk off-hand matches, you'd be surprised how heavy a gun can get by the last quarter of the match. Having heavy .45-70 cartridges in the magazine only just adds to it. Lastly, technically, we are not supposed to be walking with a "loaded" piece at the range. I have been there long enough that that should not be an issue, but we are naturally conservative. Check out my latest video with this rifle. I do load a few into the tube to placate some viewers who have commented on the fact that I shoot it as a single shot. Furthermore, when I practice on the bench, I bring all my reloading supplies as do the other members so that we all just reload one at a time as we practice between matches.
Distances on the shots would add to the video.
Camera perception make them appear different.
Yep! I need to work on my TH-cam video creation skills. I now see that I have to use other programs to create, edit, and write in annotations. The sun was very low that day due to the morning of the time change, and I only have an iPhone to make videos. Any recommendations for good programs to make videos? I was disappointed to see that TH-cam has gotten rid of the one on their site.
Tats cool😊
Thanks. You may like my chapter 2 video better.
How far were those targets?
Whereabouts is this? Looks like a beautiful place to be.
This is on a private range in Piru, California, a bit northwest of Magic Mountain. It is all dry and brown now! The range has just changed ownership. It is now called California Tactical Academy. They have been nice in allowing us to keep our old style black powder range (for twice the rent, however). Our black powder group is called Burbank Muzzle Loaders. Obviously, we are not in Burbank anymore; that was when the group was founded in 1933. Come check us out if you're in town! We can help you shoot original 19th century pieces.
And how big were they?
Sniper Éric!
You give me too much credit! I didn't show my misses in the video. Haha, but thanks.
Great! Where is this Shooting-Range?
This range is in Piru, CA, U.SA. The range is on a private property that just changed hands last year. It is now called California Tactical Academy (which focuses on modern guns and three-gun matches). Our black powder group, Burbank Muzzle Loaders, has been at this location for over 30 years. What you see is just the black powder range our group maintains. The farthest we can shoot at this location is 500 yards. I really like our trail walk matches, for they are some of the rawest, testing off-hand shooting and endurance.
What ammunition bandolier are you using? Brand?
I am using this one: www.americasgunstore.com/products-page/bandoleer/leather-bandolero-bandoleer-918/
The price has risen $10 since I purchased mine. Also, it is really designed for .45 Colt, so the .45-70 rounds are a bit tight. Initially, I had to lubricate the rounds slightly to get them in the loops. Then, I let them sit in the loops for a week or two to stretch them out a bit. It all fits great now.
Thank you, great shooting by the way
You're welcome, and thanks! I may need to make a second part to this video. Better lighting, camera angles, etc. would be nice.
Wow a side loader with a 45-70:)
Yes, it is! I normally only load one at a time for trail walks.
@@littlehouseguy7782 I'm surprised you load it up w/o being crimped; also, can you give me an idea what you shoot (moa) at thos ranges? Looks like quite good shooting w open sights
@@sunaJH To my knowledge, black powder cartridges are generally not crimped. The case is sized (and if necessary, the mouth slightly flared) to fit the projectile snuggly. The projectile compresses the black powder load, so the bullet naturally won't want to fall down into the case. Then, I generally push the loaded cartridge up the resizer die just enough to squeeze the end. That allows cartridges that are a few thousandths too big to chamber, and it also keeps the projectile from falling out of the cartridge case. This is the closest I get to a crimp when loading black powder rounds.
I forgot to address the second part of your comment/question. I don't understand what you mean by "moa." Most of the shots were between 100 and 130 yards. There is a long shot near the end of the video that is 200 yards. I cast the projectiles at about 405 grains, using 20 parts lead and 1 part tin. Check out my chapter 2 video with this piece.
@@littlehouseguy7782 MOA=minute of angle or what kind of groups are you shooting (e.g., 3" groups)
Thanks:)
Proper job. What distance are you at?
These shots were generally between 80 and 120 yards. Yes, there were some longer ones- 150 and 200 yards. I would like to do another walkthrough with this piece for video no. 2. The sun was so low that day due to spring forward with daylight savings that a lot of the shots were not clear in the video and were also harder to land with the sun so low in my eyes.
Well impressive none the less. I am in the process of obtaining my own Winchester 1886 and can’t wait for it to get here.
Yeah. The highest setting on the sight is 6 notches, which only allows me to shoot at 200 yards at point of aim. With anything past that, I have to aim at 12 o'clock for a larger target, letting the bullet fall into it, or just guess since the muzzle covers up what I'm looking at. Fun piece, however, especially for silhouette matches.
Beautiful rifle, and good shooting. Just have to learn to duck those empties🙂
I guess it's made to chamber from the shoulder?
I guess it is made to chamber from the shoulder at least as cowboy movies and westerns show. I tend to shoot only one at a time since accuracy and target shooting are of primary importance to me. (Also, I make my own ammo, so I don't like to just blow through it.) If I were in a skirmish with it, I'd have the whole magazine loaded. Other than that, I use a blow tube between shots to keep the black powder fouling soft for better accuracy. You may like my chapter 2 video with this piece better.
Little House Guy Hey, don't get me wrong! I said it is a gorgeous rifle, and you're a pretty good shot with it too. I just noticed you dinged yourself a couple times while injecting, but you didn't show the cleaning between.
I'm a handloader too, but I never used black powder, and unless I'm tuning a rifle or going for serious accuracy, I tend to load a lot, so I can shoot a lot🙂. But not because I just go bang away. I do a lot of drills with pistol. Much of my shooting, especially rifle is slower and for precision though. Even loading by hand gets expensive with larger rifles.
Do you cast your own bullets too? I imagine buying them in 45-70 isn't cheap. I want to get a single action revolver, and maybe old lever gun too, and cast my own.....one day, if I can ever afford it.
@@jimf1964 I do cast my own projectiles. I use 20 parts lead and one part tin. The mould casts at .457 inch and is 405 grains. I do show the blowtubing in my second video with the piece. Check it out. I think it's a better video.
Little House Guy I will right now 🙂
Is he loading the rounds one at a time because they are not crimped?
I don't really crimp black powder cartridges (loaded with soft lead); I run them fully loaded just a little up the resizer die if they are too big to chamber easily, so they are slightly "squeezed" a thousandth or two thousandths of an inch less. I did that for these, so I could have loaded up to ten in the gun if I had wanted to. Our club normally focuses on single shot rifles, so that is just how we are used to shooting- one at a time, and then we look in scopes where the shot went on paper and talk about it. Also, for single shot rifles, I do use a blow tube between shots to keep the fouling loft as I did here between shots (not pictured in the video). The off-hand trail walk match is also a test of endurance. People quickly underestimate how tired (or less steady) their arms can get after holding the gun for more than 30 minutes without putting it down, and having a magazine full of heavy cartridges adds to that fatigue. I've considered filming another trail walk competition with this piece and have thought about what I would do differently since I've come to realize the 1886 is quite a popular piece. I still own other rifles I've yet to debut!
What ammo did you use?
I just picked up an 1886 myself
I cast and load my own. The description in the video should give you details. My chapter 2 video with this piece is a great deal better.
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Would you happen to know if a standard 1886 could handle todays ammo?
@@jonathonhumes449 I am not a gunsmith. I wouldn't use modern smokeless ammo (cowboy stuff or light loads are OK) in an original that was designed for black powder. I just don’t. I also would not use anything other than lead (not hard cast) in an original.
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Thank you for responding with this info brother
I appreciate it
Love old cowboy guns. By the look of your shooting, this would be very capable of taking a dear or hog at 150 + , especially with a scope.
At 200 yards with just the iron sights sitting at a bench, I have gotten 10 shots in a row within a 10-inch black circle (so-so shooting, really), so yeah, this piece could do it with just that.
Good
Oh my! Thanks. Check out my chapter 2 video. The camera resolution is better.
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I'd love to be in one of your movies! For some reason, your comment ended up in the "likely spam" folder, and I have now just seen it.
Color of the wood is original or change?
To my knowledge, it is all original. However, I am not an expert.
@@littlehouseguy7782 beautiful cherry. Of course color not tree:) Even on movie on my phone nice to watch. Greetings from Poland.
Thanks! It was a fun day.
any reason why you don't say how far your target is ?
This video was taken a while ago, and I had been and still am to a degree hesitant to speak in videos since my voice has an unattractive nasal timbre. The video used to have annotations that appeared when I originally created it using TH-cam software, but that is no longer available, and the annotations disappeared from the video. Most of the shots are between 70 and 100 yards. There is a long shot on the course that is 200. My later videos show clearer footage. I do have a chapter 2 video with this piece on my channel that you might enjoy more. Frankly, I've never known why this so-so video has ended up being so popular when there are better ones on my channel. Well, the 1886 Winchester is a rather iconic piece, I would say.
Also, my channel started with a friend just recording random shots of mine on his iPhone during trail-walk matches. It was all so informal, impromptu, and unorganized. Only in the last year or two have I started thinking about video quality and all of that. I've always seen better videos online but decided just to record the gun shooting and hitting things in order to provide a different kind of "satisfaction" when compared to lengthy review videos with lots of talk and not a lot of shooting. You know, I don't even know video editing software, and we just piece all the takes together on his iPhone to make the video. Rather sloppy if you ask me!
What was he hitting? Couldn’t see a target
Not all of them are clear, so turn up the volume. If you look at my chapter two video with this piece, my friend has a better iPhone, and the shots are much clearer.
Nice shooting. Hope you don't take that rifle out to often, nice piece
Thanks. You may like my chapter two video better with this piece. The link is above. I don't shoot it as often as I would like. I am not worried about "wearing" it out because I only shoot my own reloads in it with 20 parts lead and one part tin. The moment I have finished practicing, I do a thorough cleaning. When people see the bore, they think the rifle sat over a fireplace for 100 years because it is so shiny inside.
Oh, he's a dead eye, ain't he?
You're too kind! Well, I may have a dead eye, but that is canceled out by my unsteady hand in off-hand shooting. I've got good days when I really connect and plenty of bad ones. Honestly, that day, I think I only landed about 60% of the "first" shots. That video was just my first shots at the targets.
A-dios Bart. But if you do come back, you'll be pushin up daisies.
Check out my Chapter 2 video of this awesome piece: th-cam.com/video/T5-tSN7EVqY/w-d-xo.html
Why are you only loading one shot at a time?
There are a couple reasons. In general, the club is not fond of people walking with "loaded" rifles along the trail for walk-through matches for safety reasons. In addition, we are traditionally a single-shot rifle club. Also, and more importantly, I blew down the bore between shots (which was not recorded) in order to keep the fouling soft so that it didn't harden in the rifling grooves, making my subsequent shots less accurate. My chapter two video with this piece on my channel is a better video in my opinion.
All of that smoke? Normal?
Yes, it is! It is black powder! The .45-70 cartridge was originally a black powder cartridge, .45 caliber and 70 grains of black powder. I only shoot black powder in my original period rifles. However, I am sure this piece could handle light smokeless powder loads.
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Thanks!
That cartridge belt must have made a mess of the stock. Good shooting though!!
Thanks. It was a fun day. I don't fully understand the reference to the cartridge belt. The stock did have some grease on it from my greasy hands having loaded all of the cartridges before. Could that be what you're referring to? I do hope to film a chapter two with this great piece. I will be attempting our next silhouette match next month with it. The trigger pull is a bit more than I would like, but I hope I'll get past that by the match.
I have found that it is really easy to knock the stock on the cartridges and mar the finish. :)
I'll be mindful of that from now on. It had never occurred to me in the past. I actually don't know much about original finishes, bluing, etc. Members in my group have told me that this piece has the original finish on it, both barrel and stock, but I realize that I don't really know too much about it all. I care mostly about the inside on original pieces, and I was so surprised to see such a shiny bore with sharp rifling that I just had to get it.
Sounds like a good buy and you sure know how to use it. Take care.
The only thing that sucks about Winchester is that damn top ejector
Yeah, I smacked myself a few times.
Where is this range.
This range is in Piru, CA. It is the black powder range we have rented since the 80s. The overall property, which is composed of many different ranges, is now called California Tactical Academy, but our black powder group is named Burbank Muzzleloaders.
What's the barrel length?
I'll get back to you soon on that. I know that it is "full length." I'll take it out of the closet and measure it for you tomorrow after work.
Sorry for the delay. I measure 25 and 1/2 inches from the end of the barrel down to where it connects to the receiver.
Please exuse my strange sence of humor but ahh i wonder if the sheriff made that sound when he was shot back in the 1880's
🤣👍 what a great vidio
Who knows? I certainly don't want to experience it to find out! You may find my chapter two video with this piece to be an improvement when compared to this video.
@@littlehouseguy7782 thanks ill keep my eye out for it loved that first one top notch shooting with american legend loved it 😃👍
@@adriankingston4338 Here's a link to the chapter 2 video: th-cam.com/video/T5-tSN7EVqY/w-d-xo.html
@@littlehouseguy7782 awww thank you
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@@littlehouseguy7782 wow that was so cool i love it .... the rifle the outfit and a crack shot aswell i would love to know what kind of sidearm he has looks like a remington of some kind perhaps looking at the length of the gun itself but can quite make it out 🤔
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Kamsahamnida.
black powder or smokeless ?
100% black powder and only black powder.
little house guy thanks for answering. the guncleaning is not a problem?
@@gibmelson7628 I don't know if I'm the best guy to answer whether gun cleaning is a problem or not. I am pretty much just a black powder shooter, so probably someone who shoots smokeless powder a lot would say that cleaning black powder rifles is a problem. I'm used to it and schedule in time to make sure it is done right when I get home from practice. Certainly, it is something you don't want to put off doing, and it generally does require soapy water first. Obviously, I work hard to make sure water doesn't get into the rifle action.
Pertinho assim, acerto é correndo
Sinto muito. Meu português não é bom. Eu não entendo 100%, mas eu acho que você está se referindo aos fragmentos de chumbo. Estou correcto?
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