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What if Irene of Athens accepted Charlamage's marriage proposal and united both the Western Roman Empire and the Byzantine Empire? The New Roman Empire?
KOCIA KARMA 123 but with Warsaw as the capital, and Poland being the founding nation of intermarrium, it would be politically dominate. Kinda like how Prussia although equal to the other states in the German empire was politically dominate because of its founding roll
@#KomunaMatataTeam The idea of the intermarium was originally made by the polish when the soviets began to invade. It just never formed because of cultural differences and poland's failure to take back kiev fro ukraine.
@@Rtgaming-je2zs Well if those ppl were smart then the capital would NOT be Warsaw. Remember countries like America already existed, who built a capital city ground up explicitly trying to reduce dominance of any member state (or even several states against others). Even Canada & Australia already moved their capitals to the cities now. Of course I know at that time many countries didn't learn that lesson (or didn't care to, like Yugoslavia for example), but that's probably why the project was never successful.
@@Rtgaming-je2zs And depending on which version of Intermarium, but if that's the version with Poland, Baltics AND the little entente AND Hungary, Polish would be at most 20% of the pop, and also a similar % of the land mass. While Prussia was already more than half of the population & land area for the later founded German Empire. (Probably due to exclusion of Austria, as well as not including Scandinavians to form a 'greater Germania' or sth like that).
What happened? Shitty map happened, nothing more. Though united Intermarium forces could have forced Germany to cede areas with majority/any Polish population (like Masuria or Silesia) to join the Intermarium.
Ndrju the thing is Silesia was full of resources however Prussia had way more historical significance. Idk maybe they would fimd a deal and buy them probably. The only reason why they had Danxig was so the Btits could send troops by sea
Jakub W. I don't it. If Germany was defending themselves there would be little support for the allies to attack them, and they would likely be able to get Soviet support in the form of a joint invasion as they did in our time line with Poland. This would not end well for the new union as although it might have been able to hold off one side or the other, it would be crushed by both.
I have always liked the Idea of Intermarium, taking many people(almost all of similar culture and modern day DNA) and uniting them under one Super State.
Wow this was a pretty peaceful alternate history. I would of thought that the Soviets and the Germans would of made some alliance to go and attack the Intermarium from both sides. I was wrong. So in this alternate history it pretty much made several smaller United States. Diffrent countries combining but making sure each of their styles stay around. But other then that this was a very very good alternate history video. :)
No, Germany and Russia built the Nordstream pipeline instead. So who built an alliance to attack the pipeline? Who is just defending and who is attacking his neighbor today?
Panos A its the name given to a war they fought ( because they won , obviously ) against Greece , Italy , France , U.K. and the USSR , after ww1 when Anatolia was going to be divided the Turks fought back and became a republic with their modern borders
+Ozer Harry _Panos A its the name given to a war they fought ( because they won , obviously ) against Greece , Italy , France , U.K. and the USSR , after ww1 when Anatolia was going to be divided the Turks fought back and became a republic with their modern borders_ Wait a minute. You said they fought? Whom? Italians? British? French? USSR?!?!?!?! Can you name a single battle? I have challenged the most fanatic of Turks and they could not bring a single battle of Turkish forces (Kemal, Chetes or whoever else) vs. any of the Italians and British and USSR communists and they only brought a ridiculously small-scale battle of 50 irregular Turks harassing a 700-strong French unit which actually happened at a time France was actually siding with Kemal and used that battle as a pretext to call for a retraction of French forces and of handing over ALL OF THEIR MATERIAL TO KEMAL with the implicit understanding to use it against the Greek army at Smyrna. Italians not only enabled the Turkish irregulars to use the territory they controlled but even to cross through Italian lines to hit the Greek army. In fact Italy declared officially war against Greece in 1923 and bombed Western Greece but reality is that Italian units had militarily attacked the Greek units "unofficially" 2 years earlier or several occasions (if letting the Turkish irregulars use their roads was not enough). And of course the British restricted and blockaded the movements of the Greek army and eventually in 1921 caused a huge political backstab on the ridiculous pretext of "Greeks voting the wrong government" (seriously? that is how geopolitics are done? LOL!) and thus cut-off Greek supplies and forbade the Greek army to liberate Constantinople, threatening Greece with total war and annihilation (i.e. all together, British, French and Italians falling on Greece to destroy it) if Greeks dared liberate Constantinople. The City thus was given to Kemal who even after his success in Minor Asia was totally unable to get to Constantinople as he had no navy and as such if British had not taken the turkish side and given it for free to Turks, Kemal would had no means to get it and Turks would be restricted on the asiatic side. Oh... did we leave the USSR for last? Well. beyond the French and Italians massively supplying the Turkish army, the USSR was in reality the biggest supplier of Kemal's army, without which Kemal would struggle to do anything on the battlefield.... .... mentioning battlefield, the only war that took place was the Greek army chasing Turkish irregulars who were used in the conduction of genocide of Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians (there were already 750,000 Greeks genocided before the Greek army arrived in Smyrna as a police force, not as an occupation force. So what war of independence? Turkey was occupied by British, French and Italians, THE DEFINITION OF "INFIDEL CRUSADER" FORCES, and Turks not only had no problem with them but were making friends and getting weapons and supply. The Greek army which was no occupation force (READ the Treaty of Sevres and LEARN the reason it was sent there as police force to save the surviving christians of the ongoing genocide, not just Greeks...) was the only force that Turks faced. So what "War of Independence" ? That Turks want to hide the reality of the genocide of Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians is understandable but westerners repeating their propaganda needs a lot of explanation (LOL! Doesn't it have to do with the involvment in that genocide of the British, the French, the Italians and earlier of the Germans and Austrians?!?!?!).
@@panosa2502 You want a battle from Turkish Indenpendence War,here you go:Battle of İnönü. This battle was at İnönü and won by General İsmet who after the Republic was declared made İnönü his surname because of that battle and also became the second leader of Turkey after Atatürk died. Turks had three fronts:Western,Southern and Eastern. First front was Eastern Front against the newly indenpendent Armenian state that occupied Eastern Anatolia,Armenians gang at East started to massacre Turks so Armenian population would be better which according to Wilston laws would give them right to occupy the area.Kuvayi Milliye with the General Çerkez(Circassian) Ethem defeated Armenians at East.He was a great general but when his Kuvayi Milliye army wanted tl get replaced with a new army he and some of his forces betrayed Turks and helped Greeks when Western front started. Southern Front was basiacly Kuvayi Milliye,Kurds and other resistince groups making a gueralla war to the French until they got tired and bored and left Southern Anatolia. West Front is the real important one since Greeks were the only one really dedicated to take Anatolia.With battles like İnönü Greeks saw Turks wouldn't give Anatolia them and when Kemal Paşa(Atatürk) made the Büyük Taarruz(whicb literally means Great Battle at old Turkish) against them they escaped to the Agean islands and even mainland Greece although I think that one is a myth and burned İzmir while they escaped. As for the question indenpendence from what: Indenpendence from the Monarchy which was unnecessarry and weak,indenpendence from Greek invasion who wanted to kick Turks from their homes,indenpendence from the French who wanted to make us colonial subjects,indenpendence from the once called Milleti Sadık(Loyal Nation which was Armenians) which turned out to be traitors and wanted to bring an ancient dream,indenpendence from Italians who also wanted to bring an ancient dream back that was impossible. At the Turkish Indenpendence War ANYONE who could hold a weapon became a soldier.Şerife Bacı,Nene Hatun and many other woman heroes foughr against the Armenians at the East.Sütçü İmam and others in the South stand against the Colonialist French who wanted to put their own flag and called Turkish flag of crescent just a piece of fabric.If you ever really searched about that war you would know our strugglea but for you we are just Barbaric Monghols who massacres Greeks for fun and worships terror, we are not.If you ever read any piece of literature from that era from Turkish hands you would know that. *Ya İstiklal ya ölüm!* *Freedom or death!* -Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
@@eoinharrington2692 you are wrong,Soviets helped us in war didn't attack.Soviets gave us weapons in exchange of Batumi city from modern day Georgia.Atatürk liked Lenin but when he died and Stalin came to power relations with Soviets got bad.Italians simply left Anatolia when we defeated the French and they even sold us weapons because Entente didn't give them the lands they promised.UK gave Agean to Greeks and Croatia to Yugoslavia instead of Italy which made Italians angry at them.As for the British they didn't make direct fight but with the Ottoman governmant at İstanbul which was their puppet at that point they tried to exacute Atatürk,made rebellions,declared Atatürk and Ankara governmant as enemies of İslam and even called both Anlara and İstanbul governmant for a peace meeting at London which Ankara governmant refused to come because there couldn't be two governmants at same time.The guy Ottoman governmant wanted to send liked Atatürk's ideas so he refused to come and let Ankars governmant go there.The peace meeting was to give time for Greeks to preaper against the Turks and it kinda workes.Greeks almost captured Ankara and there was discussions in Meclis(parliment) to move governmant from Ankara to Kayseri,the battle was so close people in parliment could hear the Greek cannons. You said if Turks lost the war,if we did that it would probably be from that.If Greeks captured Ankara or Atatürk got assasinated by Ottoman governmant successfully the war would be lost.This things would happen in my opinion: Many rebellions in Anatolia would accour which would result in a second Turkish Indenpendence War with an Atatürk like figure but after the first war's lost people wouldn't have that much of a nationalism and lose the war.Turkish nation would be assimulated to Greeks and Armenians and because of the first war's lost Kurds wouldn't help us and make their own state.Anatolia would be invaded by Soviets who wanted to spread the revolution and could easily eat that little nations. Perhaps a similiar thing to Molotov Ribbentrov Pact would happen between Italy and Soviets to divide Anatolia.Italy would get the Greek occupied Agean and Mediterrain side and Soviets would get the East.If WW2 still breaks out Nazis would send their troops to Caucassia from Italian lands at Anatolia and capture the oil fields of Caucassia easily since they would attack from both North and South of Caucassia and perhaps win the WW2 because of that.
No way he could have done it. Australia is already near impossible to take and this is when people advanced modern navies. No chance that any pre-2000s people would be able to invade Australia unless they had a civil war to exploit.
Could you do one on what would've happened if the Hungarian Soviet Republic (or Republic of Councils in Hungary) would've succeeded in a way it was described in it's august constitution, becoming the "Hungarian Socialist Federal Council Republic" (i. e., properly establishing the Slovak Soviet Republic, supporting the Banat Republic, and a lot of other, then-formed microstates, perhaps eventually growing strong enough to re-take Transylvania from Romania, and turning itself into a sort-of communist Carpathian Federation, or Confederation of the Danube, a mini-Soviet Union in Eastern-Central Europe)?
Could you possibly do a video regarding the SECOND intermarium plan, which was like the one in the video, except it also included Scandinavia, Italy, and the entire Balkan region.
*I think the Germans and the Soviets would partition the Intermarium in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (not sure why it wouldn't happen in this timeline?) and it pretty much being divided by the 2 large powers, and after the war due to the Yalta and Tehran conferences largely catering and being in favor of the Soviets probably be dissolved. The Intermarium probably couldn't counter the Red Army and Wehrmacht at the same time.* *Great video though, keep it up! I don't know how your channel isn't booming with subscribers yet. You do quite well, researched videos with great production quality. Your channel will rise one day, remember me when you make it to the top! ;) ecks dee* *You will grow and boom one day, just believe in it! :)*
Hey Mr.Z can you do a what if the Baathist leaders were successful at uniting all the arab states or what if the UK and France never betrayed the Arabs after WW1
Was there any chance of the USSR going fascist before WWII? There was a fascist party and I imagine it could happen after the Soviet Famine but I don't know how much influence the party held.
TetraFly - So you no respec non slavic peoples rights? Are you bulgarian nazi? If Intermarium been opressive like later Russ empir, CCCP or Naziland, it was good dcision our parlament vanteed no join it.
Tee Kee their cultures are very similar and the overwhelming majority of this union are Slavic so it’s only natural that they would slowly assimilate into a more Slavic identity
Bruh fah real especially since he says the US wouldn't have been involved at all which means Japan's navy never gets destroyed. Everyone's talking about how awesome this alt history vid is and that's all I can think about lol like the Soviets taking Korea and Sakhalin sure but they're not doing anything to the Japanese home islands or Taiwan.
What if caananism was a thing? IRL it was a strange form of revisionist sionism, which main idea was semitic unity and oppostion to state judaism. Could lead to interesting scenarios, where jews, syrians, alawites, moronites and druze are united by revived pheonician-caanan culture
On the one hand, I dislike the loss of Ukrainian independence in this timeline, and how Poland might dominate this union. But on the other hand, it seems better than what happened in our timeline (no Soviet Ukraine, no Holodomor, no concentration camps...)
Did I miss something, why wasn't the US involved in the war with Japan? Japan had invaded the American philipenes, as you stated, and there's no reason for it not to invade pearl harbour, so why would the campaign in the pacific diverge so much from our timeline? Also, I highly doubt that Japan would surrender to an invading Soviet force, seeing how anti-monarchist the Soviets were, and the Japanese people's fanaticism towards their emperor, seeing him as even divine. A predicted cost of Operation Downfall, an allied invasion of Japan, was around ten to twenty million Allied troops, who had overwhelming air supremacy compared to the soviet air force against Japan, had more and better equipped troops and actually had experience with that sort of terrain before, not to mention millions upon millions of Japanese people and soldiers giving their lives for their emperor. Japan just giving up to the Soviets without a fight on their home islands just seems very unlikely to me.
Its interesting to follow this now. The political wing of Azov Batallion has several videos on this topic. Exiting to see if we get a fourth reich in Eastern Europe armed to the teeth by Nato. Great times ahead folks.
plus with so many ethnic peoples it would definitely have tension within its borders as well as low morale for soldiers as they are fighting for not a nationality but a union that was doomed to fail from the start
I think Intermarium and Japan could cooperate. Poland and Japan before the war had good relationship, because The Soviet Union was the main enemy of them both.
what if Reagans U.N ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick won the presidential nomination against George Bush Sr. as she briefly considered running for president
British Imperial Federation when? Or better yet, have WW1 go a way as to draw the Empire closer to one another, with troops from all across it fighting side by side or something, having the Imperial Federation be proposed instead of the Statute of Westminster as we know it in OTL. It takes time to get going, and WW2 breaks out before it is finished, and as Paris falls, Eddie (he's still in for some reason, make it up) takes emergency control and forms a Franco British Imperial Federation with direct rule from London.
Finland and Ukraine under Polish control? I feel like those two countries are on equal footing with Poland, so I feel like it's unstable right from the first word the Polish leader says.
so world war 2 will just be ... east Asia war 2 ... also, why wouldn't Spain and Portugal join the new Roman empire? they speak Romance languages derived from Latin, and even ethnicly the Gauls and Italians were close ....
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What happened to your ethnostates scenario?
I think a certain Walt Disney looking individual with a golf club shaped hole in his head will be proud of that
The Salty Russian sounds about right even though this scenario depicted Milty cultural blocks. Probably because communism wasn't praised enough
What if Irene of Athens accepted Charlamage's marriage proposal and united both the Western Roman Empire and the Byzantine Empire?
The New Roman Empire?
Zero P you would simply get all the same problems of the Roman empire unless their is great leadership which is rear the empire would fracture again.
It is really good idea. Love it :)
Wouldn't that kill the Romans earlier because of gavalkind
The Holy Roman Empire II, the Wrath of Genghis Khan
This is basically a larger Polish empire, I would like to see the winged tanks
Rtgaming1016 No? There would be *a lot* of nations inside Intermarium and Poland would be about 10%-15%.
KOCIA KARMA 123 but with Warsaw as the capital, and Poland being the founding nation of intermarrium, it would be politically dominate. Kinda like how Prussia although equal to the other states in the German empire was politically dominate because of its founding roll
@#KomunaMatataTeam The idea of the intermarium was originally made by the polish when the soviets began to invade. It just never formed because of cultural differences and poland's failure to take back kiev fro ukraine.
@@Rtgaming-je2zs Well if those ppl were smart then the capital would NOT be Warsaw. Remember countries like America already existed, who built a capital city ground up explicitly trying to reduce dominance of any member state (or even several states against others). Even Canada & Australia already moved their capitals to the cities now. Of course I know at that time many countries didn't learn that lesson (or didn't care to, like Yugoslavia for example), but that's probably why the project was never successful.
@@Rtgaming-je2zs And depending on which version of Intermarium, but if that's the version with Poland, Baltics AND the little entente AND Hungary, Polish would be at most 20% of the pop, and also a similar % of the land mass. While Prussia was already more than half of the population & land area for the later founded German Empire. (Probably due to exclusion of Austria, as well as not including Scandinavians to form a 'greater Germania' or sth like that).
There is no perfect timeli-
Śmieszek z Internetów Once the Soviet Union Falls, The Intermarium will just end up a bloated Yugoslavia
10 Hawell You've clearly never spoken to a German. I swear you Anglos and Americans blame Germany for everything
Monotheistic religious never arise and Europe and the Middle East retain their native religious!!!
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Good crossovers doesnt ex-
Ah intermedium also known as Poland-lithuania part two electric booga loo
Also polonizaton for lithuania, belarus and uraine part 2
Jackub N That is so true.
intermedium
It would be more poland than Lithuania though as Poland is the most powerful and influential of Eastern Europe.
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Pollination
Good to see you back!
What happened to Ostpreußen? I really doubt that Germany (especially under the Nazis) would give up an area with a ethnic majority of Germans.
What happened? Shitty map happened, nothing more. Though united Intermarium forces could have forced Germany to cede areas with majority/any Polish population (like Masuria or Silesia) to join the Intermarium.
I could imagine something like distrust and some sort of cold war. And maybe the exchange of Silesia for prussia? Who knows
Some Random Account There is no possibility for that. Silesian lands were much more important than East Prussia
Ndrju the thing is Silesia was full of resources however Prussia had way more historical significance. Idk maybe they would fimd a deal and buy them probably. The only reason why they had Danxig was so the Btits could send troops by sea
Jakub W. I don't it. If Germany was defending themselves there would be little support for the allies to attack them, and they would likely be able to get Soviet support in the form of a joint invasion as they did in our time line with Poland. This would not end well for the new union as although it might have been able to hold off one side or the other, it would be crushed by both.
Been waiting for this type of AH for a while now. Thanks!
I have always liked the Idea of Intermarium, taking many people(almost all of similar culture and modern day DNA) and uniting them under one Super State.
Gunter has spoken.
Is that a good thing?
Hahaha, look what became of yugoslavia. Multinational states are doomed to fail.
Rosie O'Donald Yes
Rosie O'Donald Canada especially
Love Poland from Hungary!
love Hungary from Poland
Két ország, két testvérek!
I was waiting for this for a long time...
Wow this was a pretty peaceful alternate history. I would of thought that the Soviets and the Germans would of made some alliance to go and attack the Intermarium from both sides. I was wrong. So in this alternate history it pretty much made several smaller United States. Diffrent countries combining but making sure each of their styles stay around. But other then that this was a very very good alternate history video. :)
i still think that both germany and russia would still invade the inetermarium if they make a pact like during the invasion of poland in world war 2.
No, Germany and Russia built the Nordstream pipeline instead.
So who built an alliance to attack the pipeline? Who is just defending and who is attacking his neighbor today?
A happy timeline for eastern europeans
This has to be the best althistory vid you made!
Long live the US of Z!
What if Celtic Christianity survived
Or
What if turkey lost it's war of independence
What turkish war of independence? From whom? From themselves?
Panos A its the name given to a war they fought ( because they won , obviously ) against Greece , Italy , France , U.K. and the USSR , after ww1 when Anatolia was going to be divided the Turks fought back and became a republic with their modern borders
+Ozer Harry
_Panos A its the name given to a war they fought ( because they won , obviously ) against Greece , Italy , France , U.K. and the USSR , after ww1 when Anatolia was going to be divided the Turks fought back and became a republic with their modern borders_
Wait a minute. You said they fought? Whom? Italians? British? French? USSR?!?!?!?! Can you name a single battle? I have challenged the most fanatic of Turks and they could not bring a single battle of Turkish forces (Kemal, Chetes or whoever else) vs. any of the Italians and British and USSR communists and they only brought a ridiculously small-scale battle of 50 irregular Turks harassing a 700-strong French unit which actually happened at a time France was actually siding with Kemal and used that battle as a pretext to call for a retraction of French forces and of handing over ALL OF THEIR MATERIAL TO KEMAL with the implicit understanding to use it against the Greek army at Smyrna. Italians not only enabled the Turkish irregulars to use the territory they controlled but even to cross through Italian lines to hit the Greek army. In fact Italy declared officially war against Greece in 1923 and bombed Western Greece but reality is that Italian units had militarily attacked the Greek units "unofficially" 2 years earlier or several occasions (if letting the Turkish irregulars use their roads was not enough). And of course the British restricted and blockaded the movements of the Greek army and eventually in 1921 caused a huge political backstab on the ridiculous pretext of "Greeks voting the wrong government" (seriously? that is how geopolitics are done? LOL!) and thus cut-off Greek supplies and forbade the Greek army to liberate Constantinople, threatening Greece with total war and annihilation (i.e. all together, British, French and Italians falling on Greece to destroy it) if Greeks dared liberate Constantinople. The City thus was given to Kemal who even after his success in Minor Asia was totally unable to get to Constantinople as he had no navy and as such if British had not taken the turkish side and given it for free to Turks, Kemal would had no means to get it and Turks would be restricted on the asiatic side. Oh... did we leave the USSR for last? Well. beyond the French and Italians massively supplying the Turkish army, the USSR was in reality the biggest supplier of Kemal's army, without which Kemal would struggle to do anything on the battlefield....
.... mentioning battlefield, the only war that took place was the Greek army chasing Turkish irregulars who were used in the conduction of genocide of Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians (there were already 750,000 Greeks genocided before the Greek army arrived in Smyrna as a police force, not as an occupation force. So what war of independence? Turkey was occupied by British, French and Italians, THE DEFINITION OF "INFIDEL CRUSADER" FORCES, and Turks not only had no problem with them but were making friends and getting weapons and supply. The Greek army which was no occupation force (READ the Treaty of Sevres and LEARN the reason it was sent there as police force to save the surviving christians of the ongoing genocide, not just Greeks...) was the only force that Turks faced. So what "War of Independence" ?
That Turks want to hide the reality of the genocide of Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians is understandable but westerners repeating their propaganda needs a lot of explanation (LOL! Doesn't it have to do with the involvment in that genocide of the British, the French, the Italians and earlier of the Germans and Austrians?!?!?!).
@@panosa2502 You want a battle from Turkish Indenpendence War,here you go:Battle of İnönü.
This battle was at İnönü and won by General İsmet who after the Republic was declared made İnönü his surname because of that battle and also became the second leader of Turkey after Atatürk died.
Turks had three fronts:Western,Southern and Eastern.
First front was Eastern Front against the newly indenpendent Armenian state that occupied Eastern Anatolia,Armenians gang at East started to massacre Turks so Armenian population would be better which according to Wilston laws would give them right to occupy the area.Kuvayi Milliye with the General Çerkez(Circassian) Ethem defeated Armenians at East.He was a great general but when his Kuvayi Milliye army wanted tl get replaced with a new army he and some of his forces betrayed Turks and helped Greeks when Western front started.
Southern Front was basiacly Kuvayi Milliye,Kurds and other resistince groups making a gueralla war to the French until they got tired and bored and left Southern Anatolia.
West Front is the real important one since Greeks were the only one really dedicated to take Anatolia.With battles like İnönü Greeks saw Turks wouldn't give Anatolia them and when Kemal Paşa(Atatürk) made the Büyük Taarruz(whicb literally means Great Battle at old Turkish) against them they escaped to the Agean islands and even mainland Greece although I think that one is a myth and burned İzmir while they escaped.
As for the question indenpendence from what:
Indenpendence from the Monarchy which was unnecessarry and weak,indenpendence from Greek invasion who wanted to kick Turks from their homes,indenpendence from the French who wanted to make us colonial subjects,indenpendence from the once called Milleti Sadık(Loyal Nation which was Armenians) which turned out to be traitors and wanted to bring an ancient dream,indenpendence from Italians who also wanted to bring an ancient dream back that was impossible.
At the Turkish Indenpendence War ANYONE who could hold a weapon became a soldier.Şerife Bacı,Nene Hatun and many other woman heroes foughr against the Armenians at the East.Sütçü İmam and others in the South stand against the Colonialist French who wanted to put their own flag and called Turkish flag of crescent just a piece of fabric.If you ever really searched about that war you would know our strugglea but for you we are just Barbaric Monghols who massacres Greeks for fun and worships terror, we are not.If you ever read any piece of literature from that era from Turkish hands you would know that.
*Ya İstiklal ya ölüm!*
*Freedom or death!*
-Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
@@eoinharrington2692 you are wrong,Soviets helped us in war didn't attack.Soviets gave us weapons in exchange of Batumi city from modern day Georgia.Atatürk liked Lenin but when he died and Stalin came to power relations with Soviets got bad.Italians simply left Anatolia when we defeated the French and they even sold us weapons because Entente didn't give them the lands they promised.UK gave Agean to Greeks and Croatia to Yugoslavia instead of Italy which made Italians angry at them.As for the British they didn't make direct fight but with the Ottoman governmant at İstanbul which was their puppet at that point they tried to exacute Atatürk,made rebellions,declared Atatürk and Ankara governmant as enemies of İslam and even called both Anlara and İstanbul governmant for a peace meeting at London which Ankara governmant refused to come because there couldn't be two governmants at same time.The guy Ottoman governmant wanted to send liked Atatürk's ideas so he refused to come and let Ankars governmant go there.The peace meeting was to give time for Greeks to preaper against the Turks and it kinda workes.Greeks almost captured Ankara and there was discussions in Meclis(parliment) to move governmant from Ankara to Kayseri,the battle was so close people in parliment could hear the Greek cannons.
You said if Turks lost the war,if we did that it would probably be from that.If Greeks captured Ankara or Atatürk got assasinated by Ottoman governmant successfully the war would be lost.This things would happen in my opinion:
Many rebellions in Anatolia would accour which would result in a second Turkish Indenpendence War with an Atatürk like figure but after the first war's lost people wouldn't have that much of a nationalism and lose the war.Turkish nation would be assimulated to Greeks and Armenians and because of the first war's lost Kurds wouldn't help us and make their own state.Anatolia would be invaded by Soviets who wanted to spread the revolution and could easily eat that little nations.
Perhaps a similiar thing to Molotov Ribbentrov Pact would happen between Italy and Soviets to divide Anatolia.Italy would get the Greek occupied Agean and Mediterrain side and Soviets would get the East.If WW2 still breaks out Nazis would send their troops to Caucassia from Italian lands at Anatolia and capture the oil fields of Caucassia easily since they would attack from both North and South of Caucassia and perhaps win the WW2 because of that.
Don’t forget to do What if Napoleon went though with the plan of invading australia? ( Baudin Expedition of 1800 to 1803)
INEEDALIFE I'm really curious to see that :)
No way he could have done it.
Australia is already near impossible to take and this is when people advanced modern navies.
No chance that any pre-2000s people would be able to invade Australia unless they had a civil war to exploit.
Evil Paragon 4 Napoleon was planning to take Sydney since it was only new or he could just make a colony in Nova Hollandia and take it over by land.
Irrelevant
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Could you do one on what would've happened if the Hungarian Soviet Republic (or Republic of Councils in Hungary) would've succeeded in a way it was described in it's august constitution, becoming the "Hungarian Socialist Federal Council Republic" (i. e., properly establishing the Slovak Soviet Republic, supporting the Banat Republic, and a lot of other, then-formed microstates, perhaps eventually growing strong enough to re-take Transylvania from Romania, and turning itself into a sort-of communist Carpathian Federation, or Confederation of the Danube, a mini-Soviet Union in Eastern-Central Europe)?
He only participated in the Actors' Union, so I doubt he would choose to go into politics.
johnmburt1960 XD
In all likelyhood, László Rajk, Tibor Szamuely, or some other early communist would follow Kun on the "throne".
Still hoping for a Lincoln Rockwell part 2
May need to make that a website exclusive for now, but do look forward to it!
Love your videos
What happened to the original upload
Yeah, what the hell happened?
I presume he wanted to make some extra edits
Maybe it got demonetized
He accidentally included Ardeal into the Intermarium! 🤣
Could you possibly do a video regarding the SECOND intermarium plan, which was like the one in the video, except it also included Scandinavia, Italy, and the entire Balkan region.
*I think the Germans and the Soviets would partition the Intermarium in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (not sure why it wouldn't happen in this timeline?) and it pretty much being divided by the 2 large powers, and after the war due to the Yalta and Tehran conferences largely catering and being in favor of the Soviets probably be dissolved. The Intermarium probably couldn't counter the Red Army and Wehrmacht at the same time.*
*Great video though, keep it up! I don't know how your channel isn't booming with subscribers yet. You do quite well, researched videos with great production quality. Your channel will rise one day, remember me when you make it to the top! ;) ecks dee*
*You will grow and boom one day, just believe in it! :)*
Well, time to nuke the like button again.
Hey Mr.Z can you do a what if the Baathist leaders were successful at uniting all the arab states or what if the UK and France never betrayed the Arabs after WW1
Can you do a part 2 of this?
great video! please make part 2 :)
2:10
OH MY GOD THAT'S SO PERFECT!
I NEED THAT MEME AND I NEED IT NOW!
Was there any chance of the USSR going fascist before WWII? There was a fascist party and I imagine it could happen after the Soviet Famine but I don't know how much influence the party held.
Lovely,also u showed a pic of my ccity
Great video Zed
Thanks, pally.
Great religion, Gee! 🛐✝🛐☦🛐
You'd just see the unholy alliance of the Nazis and Soviets tear up Intermarium.
*The allies only saw the Soviets as a temporary threat.*
Oh, they had no idea.
Edit: You see? He gets it.
Nice video
this is really the best timeline slavic unity, bolshevik and nazi coexistance, democratic china and no anime
TetraFly - What "slavic unity" are you a supremenisisist who think other people worse than slavs?
TetraFly - So you no respec non slavic peoples rights? Are you bulgarian nazi?
If Intermarium been opressive like later Russ empir, CCCP or Naziland, it was good dcision our parlament vanteed no join it.
Tee Kee their cultures are very similar and the overwhelming majority of this union are Slavic so it’s only natural that they would slowly assimilate into a more Slavic identity
TetraFly - Fak that you no better than Hitler or Stalin.
TetraFly - Your way to think is exact sinilar how Hitler thought about sorbs and czechs...
Also no wonder why how lithuanians feel hate for Poland.
Will you do a video on Yugoslavia (either if it didn't fall apart in the 90s or if the yugoslav wars turned out differently)
Great video
What if Kazakhstan was never taken over by Russia?
central asian empire........
jk
@@hassanoffical181 More like Stone Age Empire lol...
Very, very interesting.
What if the British empire wasn't dismantled
Makes perfect sense that the Soviet Union, infamously deficient in maritime warfare at the time, would invade the island nation of Japan. *eyes roll*
Bruh fah real especially since he says the US wouldn't have been involved at all which means Japan's navy never gets destroyed. Everyone's talking about how awesome this alt history vid is and that's all I can think about lol like the Soviets taking Korea and Sakhalin sure but they're not doing anything to the Japanese home islands or Taiwan.
@@KuroshiKun late reply lol. But yeah, he's not very good at alt-history beyond the most shallow and cursory speculation.
@@MadM0nte sorry mate I just starting finding his videos haha I would've replied sooner if I saw your comment sooner
@@KuroshiKun no worries
What if caananism was a thing? IRL it was a strange form of revisionist sionism, which main idea was semitic unity and oppostion to state judaism. Could lead to interesting scenarios, where jews, syrians, alawites, moronites and druze are united by revived pheonician-caanan culture
I wanted to suggest this same thing after I read about Canaanism a couple days ago
Do you plan on doing a reupload of your Ethnostates video?
It's over on my Bitchute: www.bitchute.com/channel/YjZETEAFUoIy/
Do you get notifications? I sent out a message about it.
What about Molotov Rebentrop pact they would just split intermerium
What happened to east prussia
On the one hand, I dislike the loss of Ukrainian independence in this timeline, and how Poland might dominate this union. But on the other hand, it seems better than what happened in our timeline (no Soviet Ukraine, no Holodomor, no concentration camps...)
Sarmatan Lehitus Witch is a perfect cover up for establishing polish hegemony across the Union.
How do you design the flags in the thumbnail
What custom map did you use to make this?
Could you please do:
What if the Kalmar union never fell?
Id like a story based on life in this work I think it would be neat hey Harry turtledove you have an great source here
Did I miss something, why wasn't the US involved in the war with Japan? Japan had invaded the American philipenes, as you stated, and there's no reason for it not to invade pearl harbour, so why would the campaign in the pacific diverge so much from our timeline? Also, I highly doubt that Japan would surrender to an invading Soviet force, seeing how anti-monarchist the Soviets were, and the Japanese people's fanaticism towards their emperor, seeing him as even divine. A predicted cost of Operation Downfall, an allied invasion of Japan, was around ten to twenty million Allied troops, who had overwhelming air supremacy compared to the soviet air force against Japan, had more and better equipped troops and actually had experience with that sort of terrain before, not to mention millions upon millions of Japanese people and soldiers giving their lives for their emperor. Japan just giving up to the Soviets without a fight on their home islands just seems very unlikely to me.
I feel like Germany and the USSR would just agree to invade Intermarium together, like they did with Poland.
What if the intermerium joined the axis as a seperate party instead of being invaded and occupied.
What if Julius Caesar survived the Senate's plot to kill him?
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Why did Bulgaria join Intermarium and why did Albania get grouped up with Greece?
My favorite timeline !
Yeah right Poland would ally Hungary before even thinking of Romania
Wait, why does France join Italy?
I guess those Serb Nationalists wouldn't be so salty.
What if Khrushchev never took power / what if Malenkov stayed
What if the Roswell event went public?
What if the world never changed from its original tribal borders (of earliest known recordings for each continent)?
2:28 skip button for most of the intro
Its interesting to follow this now. The political wing of Azov Batallion has several videos on this topic. Exiting to see if we get a fourth reich in Eastern Europe armed to the teeth by Nato. Great times ahead folks.
Based
I'm happy that this didn't happend.
wouldnt a molotov rubintriv pact happen with germany invading from the west while the soviets attack from the east
plus with so many ethnic peoples it would definitely have tension within its borders as well as low morale for soldiers as they are fighting for not a nationality but a union that was doomed to fail from the start
What happened to the ethnostates one
Got flagged.
Saying Bruh is normie
Why would you use 2017/18 maps for the interwar period, I mean... come on.
I made a video about Intermarium too! Good video!
I love it when I’m either Russia or Germany in HOI4 and the Intermarium forms. Free territory!
The Germans and Soviets would have split Intermarium like Poland.
If Intermarium allied itself to France, Great Britain and/or Japan - nope.
Jakub W. I don't think Japan would have given a shit, and France & Britain were losing on the land until the Americans joined the war.
What if Canada became a republic, or joined the American revolution but as a separate country?
INTERMARIUM is a line that divides Germany from Russia IN EAST EUROPE
only combination that is capable to challenge British empire
What if the cold war ended in a tie? (Bolth the us and ussr collapse)
*Chinese stares intensify*
What if we made Intermarium now?
I D E A L T I M E L I N E
What if the Sykes-pico agreement never happened and Arabia unified?
What if Italy unified earlier, say the 1500s?
What if a Natural Worm Hole Existed right at the North Pole that Lead to the North Pole of an alternate Inhabited Planet?
This would have been the best thing to happen, as bloodshed wouldn't be an option.
It's peaceful and this disturbs me... ALOT
what if either the Antillean Confederation or the Greek-Yugoslav confederation was formed
*Blitzkrieg intensifies*
What if Roman never invaded Britannia? I want to get your personal analysis on the matter.
Wouldn’t germany and ussr just sign a molotove ribbentrop of a larger scale?
What if the USA annexed British Columbia?
2:10 That is a lie Hungary is not in the Balkans
he is alive, i thought he died
Monsieur Z Cannot Be Killed.
I think Intermarium and Japan could cooperate. Poland and Japan before the war had good relationship, because The Soviet Union was the main enemy of them both.
xd And his brather Bronisław became famous ethnologist in Japan. When he was in exile on the far east, he inwestigated Ainu culture.
So the Intermarium could save Japan?
They could make an defensive alliance in case of USSR attack.
what if Reagans U.N ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick won the presidential nomination against George Bush Sr. as she briefly considered running for president
I want to live in this timeline now.
The PL Commonwealth already existed from Riga to Odessa!
British Imperial Federation when? Or better yet, have WW1 go a way as to draw the Empire closer to one another, with troops from all across it fighting side by side or something, having the Imperial Federation be proposed instead of the Statute of Westminster as we know it in OTL. It takes time to get going, and WW2 breaks out before it is finished, and as Paris falls, Eddie (he's still in for some reason, make it up) takes emergency control and forms a Franco British Imperial Federation with direct rule from London.
what if Newfoundland remained a crown dependency of great britain
What if Joe Kennedy jr.survived World War II and was elected President in 1960? How would this affect the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962?
So...no anime...i like this world XD
Finland and Ukraine under Polish control?
I feel like those two countries are on equal footing with Poland, so I feel like it's unstable right from the first word the Polish leader says.
so world war 2 will just be ... east Asia war 2 ...
also, why wouldn't Spain and Portugal join the new Roman empire? they speak Romance languages derived from Latin, and even ethnicly the Gauls and Italians were close ....
What if Operation Blue Star failed?